Believe it or not, the Constitution may even be strong enough to survive the reign of G.W.Bush.

It's just too damn bad most in DC don't read it.

I am sure that the democratic congress is doing the most damage to it. There is nothing in the constitution that allows for the bail-outs. We are sliding down the road to collectivism.

"Believe it or not, the Constitution may even be strong enough to survive the reign of G.W.Bush." #1 | Posted by TFDNihilist

That is not what was said for the last many years. I am surprised we haven't been in concentration camps by the what the leftards were predicting. But now they have Obama who is "truth, justice and the European way".

I am sure that the democratic congress is doing the most damage to it. There is nothing in the constitution that allows for the bail-outs. We are sliding down the road to collectivism.
~Snippy

Bush Calls Financial Bailout 'Extraordinary Deal

"Of the more than 500 so far released, many traumatized by those "enhanced" techniques, not one has received an apology or compensation for their season in hell."

Everyone in Gitmo should get a trial. We should be an example to the world that even our most hated enemies get their day before a judge and jury, but an apology and compensation for the ones that were released? Ah, no.

You'd change your tune if it were you.
Pretty soon, it just may be.

Another piece of the puzzle?

For 20 years i've been buying stamps from a vending machine at the post office. Doing so freed up manpower for customer service, and saved the US postal service some $150 million annually.
They are now removing these machines.
Completely. When I inquired as to why the postal service would make such a move, at the counter, after waiting an hour an ten minutes to buy stamps, I was told they intend to put new machines in, after the 2nd quarter of next year. I was also informed, that in the very near future, you will have to go to the post office to mail anything. No more kroger or meijer postal drops, not even at the ups or fed-ex stations. No more 3rd party postal drops. Looks like some small businesses are about to go out of business.

Interesting.

"There is nothing in the constitution that allows for the bail-outs." Sniper

"If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare,
and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare,
they may take the care of religion into their own hands;
they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish
and pay them out of their public treasury;
they may take into their own hands the education of children,
establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union;
they may assume the provision of the poor;
they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads;
Bail out industries that make stupid mistakes while making them rich;
in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation
down to the most minute object of police,
would be thrown under the power of Congress.... Were the power
of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for,
it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature
of the limited Government established by the people of America." James Madison

Sad how Madison foresaw the slippery slope 230+ years ago, but many Americans can't seem to see it even as we are sliding down that very slope.

Bush Calls Financial Bailout 'Extraordinary Deal

#4 | Posted by Zap

First off President Bush isn't my man. Second, the President doesn't have the power to pass the "Bail-Out". That is a function of congress. Let's give credit where credit is due. Read the damn consitution. Congress is the body that authorises taxes and expendutures.

Sniper is correct.

But the constitution also provides for the general welfare of the citizenry. A balancing act indeed.

Apparently snipe hasn't noticed that Congress hasn't declared war since WWII. Yet this country has engaged in more than 35 "military actions" initiated by our Military Industrial Compex Presidents.

Economic domination of dollar based commodity trading enforced by military aggression has been the policy of every President except Eisenhower.

Doesn't change the fact that Bush is the biggest disaster to ever hit the world, our country and the State of Texas. His record is remarkably obvious and consistent. But in the bizzaro media hype of Shrub World he was a conservative whose incompetence was systematically covered up. It was always there for a serious reader to discover.

George Carlin understood before anyone, "Its all bullshit and its bad for you".

A constitutional lawyer expert

Who believes that the intended purpose of the 2nd Amendment that the Founding Fathers had in mind is at best a quaint relic of colonial times and more likely a mute point to be conveniently ignored.

As far as the habeas corpus rights of Guantanamo detainees it is very doubtful that the Founding Fathers meant for that right to be extended to enemy combatants during a time of hostilities.

I'm grateful too for the fact that our Constitution can correct or check extreme socialism.

So the 2nd amendment is a "quaint relic" to you?

Have you ever read Washingtons Letters about it?

Have you ever read Jefferson or Franklins Letters about it?

How about Moore, Handcock, Adams, Jackson?? Read their thoughts on the 2nd amendment?

would you be suprised if I told you Jefferson thought is was the duty of the public to be armed and on the ready to displace a regime that becomes intolerent and/or abusive to the rights and powers of THE PEOPLE. And just how did he secure our ability to have a "revolution" if needed. Oh ya thats right HE demanded that if this country was to have a standing millitary then the RIGHT of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms MUST NEVER be infringed.

Just ask some the most famous people in history who used gun controll pollicies: Hitler, Moa, Musilini, Stallin, Pinoche, all these "leaders" instated retrictive, and illegal gun controll laws before they cemented there rule as DICTATOR.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

OK 27 word, 3 commas, and 1 Period. Seriously what is so hard to read about this. I will Capitalize some interesting points on it.

"A well regulated MILITIA(Notice the word PEOPLE is not here), being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the PEOPLE(notice its not a right of THE MILITIA) to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Ok by looking at this small section of the BILL OF RIGHT, we can see that this amendment makes way for a MILITIA, while at THE SAME TIME, gives the PEOPLE the right to keep and bear arms. This was written in PLAIN english for a reason people.

Do you enjoy your freedoms? Well let hem take from you your abillity to fight back, and see how fast those freedoms will vanish.

GotTruth I was being sardonic in referring to 0bama's record in regards to the to the 2nd Amendment inferring that he sees the RIGHT of law-abiding Americans to own a firearm as "a quaint relic". I am a firm believer that it is not only the right but also the DUTY of every law-abiding American citizen to own at least one firearm for many reasons but most especially to protect against the tyranny of the government.

Mis-read your post Scotch. But i still stand by my 2nd post. I honestly question the reading comprehension of people who swear the 2nd amendment is a right of the PEOPLE. Especialy when it was/is included in the portion of the Constitution the is supposed to GUARUNTEE INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. They would be funny if they werent scary in their Ignorance.

That is not what was said for the last many years. I am surprised we haven't been in concentration camps by the what the leftards were predicting.

#3 | Posted by KBM

I believe it's only the strength of the Constitution that has prevented that. The ones in power for the last 8 years would have done it if they could have...

If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator.
--GW Bush

Just remember what happen duiring the aftermath of Katrina: The Government camenot with Relief supplies, or food and water. They came with armored trucks and wanted your guns.
WHATEVER HAPPENS here in Illinois, WE DONT NEED THAT KINDA HELP.

Mis-read your post Scotch. But i still stand by my 2nd post. I honestly question the reading comprehension of people who swear the 2nd amendment is NOT a right of the PEOPLE. Especialy when it was/is included in the portion of the Constitution the is supposed to GUARUNTEE INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. They would be funny if they werent scary in their Ignorance.

had to correct that statement. My Typing has been off as of late.

"There is nothing in the constitution that allows for the bail-outs." Sniper

More quotes about general welfare...

Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated. Thomas Jefferson

With respect to the words "general welfare," I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators. James Madison

I am a firm believer that it is not only the right but also the DUTY of every law-abiding American citizen to own at least one firearm for many reasons but most especially to protect against the tyranny of the government.

#17 | Posted by Gimme_a_Scotch at 2008-11-28 06:37 PM | Reply | Flag

If the government goes bad, your .45 won't do much. Can you read?

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State...."

The second is based on that principle--protecting the State---not protection FROM the State.

Do you know what the phrase "well regulated" means? Any idea at all? Are those words invisible to you? Is every man woman and child who owns a gun--"well regulated" to you?

Do you understand what the word "infringed" means? Any idea at all? Are those words invisible to you? If you can read--the second amendment is describing the State Militia. Not the individual right to bear arms. The State is infringing all the time---haven't you noticed? Maybe the word IS invisible to you.

The individual right to bear arms should be in the Constitution as:

Citizens have the right to keep and bear arms as regulated by the State.

That is the law being enforce now--an unwritten law that has nothing to do with the second amendment---but it is a law that should be passed since it is the law being enforced.

What disturbs me most listening to you guys do the back & forth on the Constitution, is remembering how little it was talked about in school. It was up on the walls & we touched on it in Civics class but never dug into the meat of it. I go to my kids school now & there is almost nothing about the founding documents, very little in the curriculum. Government schools not wanting the public to know their rights? NO?! I try teach my kids about the Constitution myself so they will know these things and we study history so they don't get the PC version. It is very true that one of the first acts of most leaders who became dictators is to disarm the public. History supports that over & over. They start early by disarming them of knowledge, stripping away their desire to question & if necessary, to fight. Their are no Monroes, Jeffersons, and Madisons today. Scary

Section 8

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and
Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general
Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be
uniform throughout the United States;

It says "for the general welfare of the UNITED STATES" not the general welfare of the people. The "United States" being all of the country and the "people" being individuals.

You libs need to learn to read. You think the US means individuals and you think the people means the US. Words do have meaning and you can't change them to suit yourself.

I get no benifit from my neighbor being paid to not work. I get no benifit from a CEO getting paid a huge sum of money for taking his company down the drain. I get no benifit from taking over the benifits to the UAW that the auto companies can't afford now.

It's one thing if the President give a big "fuck you" to the Constitution. But when an opposition party-dominated Congress goes along with the President's disregard for the foundation of our country, that's just dandy for us, ain't it?

"You libs need to learn to read"? I learn to skip things that start with "you libs." herm

It is very true that one of the first acts of most leaders who became dictators is to disarm the public. History supports that over & over.

#24 | Posted by HATEBIGGOV at 2008-11-29 07:53 AM | Reply | Flag

I hope you aren't teaching your kids history. Link to three times an armed populace was disarmed by a dictatorial government.

The links should be easy since it has happened "over and over". Your paranoia and ignorance is showing.

Germans disarmed by Hitler.

Jews disarmed by Brits.

Mexicans attempted to disarm Tejanos.

Want some more?

Japanese disarmed of their swords; Hence the sword cane and all the Zatoichi movies.

That's four and I have not even thought about it much.

Texas Conviction Rates for Concealed Handgun License Holders
Reporting Period : 01/01/2006 - 12/31/2006

All others are zero ...

Offense Total Convictions vs CHL Holders
AGG ASSAULT CAUSES SERIOUS BODILY INJ 705 5 0.7092%
AGG ASSAULT W/DEADLY WEAPON---------2,701 9 0.3332%
AGG ROBBERY-----------------------
--1,950 1 0.0513%
AGG SEXUAL ASSAULT CHILD------------1,229 3 0.2441%
ASSAULT AGAINST ELDERLY OR DISABLED----44 1 2.2727%
ASSAULT CAUSES BODILY INJ----------7,752 21 0.2709%
BODILY INJURY FAMILY VIOLENCE-----17,473 23 0.1316%

You libs need to learn to read. You think the US means individuals and you think the people means the US. Words do have meaning and you can't change them to suit yourself.

I get no benifit.... I get no benifit .... I get no benifit ...
Snipster

LOL

Even with the misspellings I read a whole lot of interpretation by and for a single individual.

"I get no benifit from my neighbor being paid to not work. I get no benifit from a CEO getting paid a huge sum of money for taking his company down the drain. I get no benifit from taking over the benifits to the UAW that the auto companies can't afford now."

#25 | Posted by Sniper at 2008-11-29 10:46 AM

Sniper apparently received no (in his words, "got no") benefit from his education.

Hans

"You think the US means individuals..."

Oops:

We the People of the United States...

Just a generalization..

We need to get down to what I get out of it!
~Snipster

First off President Bush isn't my man. Second, the President doesn't have the power to pass the "Bail-Out". That is a function of congress. Let's give credit where credit is due. Read the damn consitution. Congress is the body that authorises taxes and expendutures.

Hey a Point in common he isn't my man either.

However he IS the President of the UNITED States. As such he is the Leading figure of a UNITED Government and when the President of the UNITED States says a Bill is vital to the NATION in a Dilemma INDIVIDUALS need to take notice.

Lets hope Bush's leadership won't be as disastrous as has been the case in Iraq.

Another place that as you point out he went beyond his job description.

Germans disarmed by Hitler.

Jews disarmed by Brits.

Mexicans attempted to disarm Tejanos.

Want some more?

#29 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2008-11-29 06:26 PM | Reply

Can you read?

"Link to three times an armed populace was disarmed by a dictatorial government.

The links should be easy since it has happened "over and over"."

Links? Links to their right to bear arms in the first place. Links to their disarmament. If they had no right to bear arms--they were criminals. If they had no right to bear arms--you have no point.

Fergot one.

Victims of Katrina disarmed by goons from Blackwater.

Be Well.

BuffaloBob

"Link to three times an armed populace was disarmed by a dictatorial government....

Here you go -- about 6-7 instances of guns being taken from the populace by dictorial governments.

Calfchris

Thank you for your response. At least you linked. However, your links do not prove your point. The task was to link to (don't cut the quote short to prove your point.:

I hope you aren't teaching your kids history. Link to three times an armed populace was disarmed by a dictatorial government.

The links should be easy since it has happened "over and over".

which was in response to Hatebiggovs charge that:

It is very true that one of the first acts of most leaders who became dictators is to disarm the public. History supports that over & over.

#24 | Posted by HATEBIGGOV at 2008-11-29 07:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

Armenia: Was not a dictatorial government, it was the Ottoman Empire, and the populace never had the right to bear arms. No leader took charge and imposed gun laws/

It is very true that one of the first acts of most leaders who became dictators is to disarm the public. History supports that over & over. Is refuted in the case of Armenia.