Iraqi Parliament Backs US Pullout

Now comes one of the famous Bush "signing statements".

So date certain for withdrawl is now a good thing?

Looks like the terrorists win again.

This is something we can all be thankful for!

Would the pullout in 2011 and the security hand over to a previously unimaginable Iraqi Democracy be considered a U.S. victory or U.S. failure?

Although the agreement was reached during the Bush Presidency, the U.S. will pull out the last Brigade during the Obama presidency. Will it then be considered an Obama Victory?

If something goes wrong and the troops wind up staying more than 3 years after Bush leaves office, will that still be considered a Bush failure?

I'm just asking.

Regardless of what happens with the troops, the policy of preemptive war is a failed one.

We've lost 4207 good men and women in a war that should not have been started. Along with that is the looting of the national treasury and the debt to foreign nations who have an interest in seeing America fall.

All of this money being spent while, for years, we were told that paying for health care for every American was impossible and not the place of government. Government has grown to gigantic proportions over the course of the past 8 years. Sadly, it appears that Obama will grow it even more until it is involved in every aspect of our lives. Goodbye personal liberty.

It will be a miracle if, after the withdrawal of US forces, Iraq remains a stable entity in the middle east.

It's a lovely mess the folks in Washington have gotten us into. Their war mongering is exactly what Washington and the other founders warned us against doing. Foreign entanglement has done nothing good for the United States.

We came, we saw, we conquered and we will leave when we want.

#6 | Posted by fwthom

Did we?

Where are the spoils of war?

Christ you are a nitwit.

Would the pullout in 2011 and the security hand over to a previously unimaginable Iraqi Democracy be considered a U.S. victory or U.S. failure?

Although the agreement was reached during the Bush Presidency, the U.S. will pull out the last Brigade during the Obama presidency. Will it then be considered an Obama Victory?

If something goes wrong and the troops wind up staying more than 3 years after Bush leaves office, will that still be considered a Bush failure?

I'm just asking.

#4 | Posted by libertarian_gi at 2008-11-28 03:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

All hard questions for Harry "The war is lost" Reid and his Surrender Party.

All hard questions for Harry "The war is lost" Reid and his Surrender Party.
#8 | Posted by MACV1972

As opposed to The Deciderer and the Total Fuck-up Party?

All hard questions for Harry "The war is lost" Reid and his Surrender Party.

Bush just signed a Nixonian "Peace with Honorable Mention" cut and run deal with an Iraqi government that takes its orders from an Iranian ayatollah and has strong ties to Iran ( DAWA and Chalibi two of McToast and Bush's heroes- were both Iranian intelligence agency creations)which basically turned a barrier to Iranian expansion into a gateway to the arab world for the mad ayatollahs, and somehow it's the Democrat's fault. I suppose Bush's indifference to al queda and afghanistan were Obam's fault, too.

Shows November's reality check did little to affect the delusional right. Don't worry MAc-your chocolates and rose petals from a grateful Iraqi nation are in the mail.

We came, we saw, we conquered and we will leave when we want.

#6 | Posted by fwthom at 2008-11-28 09:30 AM |

this from the idiot who thinks there is such a thing a free p***y (sorry i got one dump) right fat thommy?

"Iraqi Parliament Backs US Pullout"

I bet their asses are worn out by now.

I'm not following you Northguy3.
What is the Iraq policy of the left this week?
Should the U.S. Stay in and start from scratch by forming a replacement Iraqi Government or should the U.S. just pull out immediately?
Would you say the focus of the Democrats should be to let Iraq fall into chaos in order to drive Republicans into the ground or "fix the mess" in Iraq to have lasting peace in the region?
What would you recommend Obama do?

GI- Bush has basically adopted Osama's exit strategy, after the Right continually denounced it as surrender and defeat. Too bad he didn't listen to Obama back in 2002 when Obama was telling him what a fiasco Iraq would be. Coulda saved a shitload of blood and treasure and kept Iran in its box.

As it turned out, the Iraq fiasco was contagious-it spread to afghanistan and the "search' for Osama bin forgotten. Even with the help of NATO, Bush spent longer in afghanistan than WW1 and WW2 combined, and still couldn't seal the deal. And that's aginst a few guys in skirts, not the might of Germany and Japan. Pathetic.

In Iraq the commander-in-chief of the biggest and best military in the world was reduced to paying al queda terrorists not to attack while he negotiated a "won't you give me three steps" bail-out package.

As for what the Democrats should do to fix the Republican created disaster in Iraq-let the friggin' Iraqis work out a solution. That'll include a greater Iranian presence in Iraq and the gulf, but that's what Bush's stupidity created, and unless the Republicans want to volunteer to go re-"liberate" Iraq on thier own dime, and with their own blood-that's the way the falfafel crumbles.

And the Right gleefully supported every one of his fuck-ups. Then again, Republicans haven't won a war since 1865, so Bush's failures shouldn't have come as a surprise.

All hard questions for Harry "The war is lost" Reid and his Surrender Party.

Bush just signed a Nixonian "Peace with Honorable Mention" cut and run deal with an Iraqi government that takes its orders from an Iranian ayatollah and has strong ties to Iran ( DAWA and Chalibi two of McToast and Bush's heroes- were both Iranian intelligence agency creations)which basically turned a barrier to Iranian expansion into a gateway to the arab world for the mad ayatollahs, and somehow it's the Democrat's fault. I suppose Bush's indifference to al queda and afghanistan were Obam's fault, too.

Shows November's reality check did little to affect the delusional right. Don't worry MAc-your chocolates and rose petals from a grateful Iraqi nation are in the mail.

#10 | Posted by northguy3 at 2008-11-28 02:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

northguy3's daily ritual...three solid hours of mantra chanting...

The war is lost
The surge won't work
We're all doomed
Everything is Bush's fault...

Mac--

So then...what's your honest assessment of what has happened the last 8 years? Have we won the war? Is victory imminent, since we've spent more time in Iraq than it took to defeat Germany and Japan? Did the surge bring about the single stated goal, political reconciliation? And how would you break down the responsibility for the financial meltdown, in percentages, between Bush & the Republicans, vs. the Democrats?

Mac10's Mantra.

The Mission is Accomplished
The Surge sure werked good
Everything is swell.
Nothing is Bush's fault.

*Beats self in head with Bible *

The Mission is Accomplished
The Surge sure werked good
Everything is swell.
Nothing is Bush's fault.

*Beats self in head with Bible *

The Mission is Accomplished
The Surge sure werked good
Everything is swell.
Nothing is Bush's fault.

Be Well.

Mac--

So then...what's your honest assessment of what has happened the last 8 years? Have we won the war? Is victory imminent, since we've spent more time in Iraq than it took to defeat Germany and Japan? Did the surge bring about the single stated goal, political reconciliation? And how would you break down the responsibility for the financial meltdown, in percentages, between Bush & the Republicans, vs. the Democrats?

#16 | Posted by Danforth at 2008-11-29 05:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

As Bill Clinton said more than once (not counting Monica), "Mistakes were made." Initially, the war (in Iraq) was won; the aftermath was disastrous. The surge in concert with the Sunni Awakening and other developments finally turned things in a positive direction...overall violence is down, Al Qaeda in Irag has been beaten down (not completely out...but weakened considerably). It isn't over yet.

As for the global war on terrorism, virtually everyone has agreed that the struggle will last at least a generation. No one said that it would be quick or easy.

Comparisons with the defeat of Germany and Japan are hard to make, considering that then the entire country was mobilized and focused on the war effort whereas in Iraq and Afghanistan only our professional military has gone to war. The rest of us read and hear about it but we have yet to sacrifice. Only the troops and their families have put it on the line. That also includes civilians who support the troops directly.

As for the financial debacle, both parties are to blame as well as the people who actually should be held accountable for making risky loans, etc. The Dems have had control of congress for the past two years; some (e.g., Barney Frank) pushed for broadening loan accessibility for lower income borrowers through Fannie and Freddie Mac...folks who couldn't sustain the mortgage payments. I seem to recall a lot of folks blaming Bush for 911 after just ten months in office. Let's not bother to rehash the non-specific PDB item warning that AQ aspired to attacking somewhere in the US sometime...that was a lame attempt to blow smoke through the barrel of an improvised gun.

Mac10's Mantra.

The Mission is Accomplished
The Surge sure werked good
Everything is swell.
Nothing is Bush's fault.

*Beats self in head with Bible *

The Mission is Accomplished
The Surge sure werked good
Everything is swell.
Nothing is Bush's fault.

*Beats self in head with Bible *

The Mission is Accomplished
The Surge sure werked good
Everything is swell.
Nothing is Bush's fault.

Be Well.

#17 | Posted by dethspud at 2008-11-29 07:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Not really, Mr. Potato Head.

The mission is ongoing.
The surge has worked...to the extent it has enhanced security and bought time for the Iraqis to get their act together. Ultimately it will be up to them to win the peace and rebuild their country. Everything is a mix of good and bad; not all good but not all bad. Not everything is Bush's fault; but some things are.

And, no, I don't beat myself in the head with the Bible. I open and read it...every day. I'll finish reading it through for the third consecutive year on December 31 and start over again on January 1. Although it's thousands of years old, it never gets old. His mercies are new every morning.

"The surge has worked...to the extent it has enhanced security and bought time for the Iraqis to get their act together. "

That was more than a year ago. How many more Freidmans will be needed?

"The rest of us read and hear about it but we have yet to sacrifice."

And who's fault is that? It sounds like Bush didn't think it was important enough to ask us to all pitch in, and---oh, I don't know---pay for it, if it was that important. But, as you pointed out, it wasn't that important to sacrifice anything...except our bravest, of course.

"Not everything is Bush's fault; but some things are."

How specific of you.

"As for the financial debacle, both parties are to blame"

How magnanimous.

"No one said that it would be quick or easy."

WTF are you smoking? Rumsfeld? Cheney? McCain?