Oh, to be facing the wrong way once again...is to be....Kerrin....

"Many experts say that gas guzzlers will not fade away as long as Congress fails to impose higher taxes on gasoline to steer people toward fuel-efficient cars."

Gee, why didn't we do that back in the seventies???

Yes, let's tax the people till they choke, are broke, and are willing to bow down and do what we want them to do.

"But the car company Schumer and other lawmakers envision for the future could turn out to be a money-losing operation"

YEAH!

Unlike Iraq, this would be a totally unnecessary thing for the Nation to pursue! Throwing money away at nation building is so mush more worthwhile than America becoming the preeminent car builder!

Sincerely

The DR Incoherent

Libs will have to take my gas guzzling CO2 spewing V-8 out of my cold dead hamds.

"Yes, let's tax the people till they choke, are broke, and are willing to bow down and do what we want them to do."

Is that what they are doing in Europe???
Doesn't look like it from here.
They build some very nice cars too!
Many of them make the "gas guzzling CO2 spewing V-8" models from the US look like doo doo.

Libs will have to take my gas guzzling CO2 spewing V-8 out of my cold dead hamds.
#5 | Posted by fwthom at 2008-11-26 12:58 PM

YEAH!

No one wants to take away your right to overcompensate for your little penis!
But please by all means, continue proving the idiom "A Fool And His Money Are Easily Parted" ---- the terrorist Muuuuslims thank you for your dogged (yet dumb) effort!

Actually, American Auto's are very popular in Europe. They have models we cannot get here, due to government regulations."

Does Sen. Charles E. Schumer even own an electric car? Flex Fuel engines are also a nice alternative, this way, the consumer has a choice on which fuel he or she wants to buy, depending upon price.

Either take advantage of low gas prices now and use taxation to suppress demand and encourage the sale of fuel efficient vehicles or....wait until gas goes back up to $4.00 and wish we had.

"They have models we cannot get here, due to government regulations."

#8 | Posted by loonytarian at 2008-11-26 01:14 PM

They are (list models)?

They are (list models)?

#11 | Posted by Redneckville

The GM Astra and Ford Mondeo, for example.

The GM Astra and Ford Mondeo

Both are models that the car magazines lust after and lament their lack of availability in the US.

Both are models that the car magazines lust after and lament their lack of availability in the US.

#14 | Posted by JeffJ

Hey, he asked for examples, not a Car & Driver review.

Any idea why they aren't sold here?

The hybrids and electrics will probably come down on costs over time. Home computers used to be for the middle and upper class, now lots of folks have them. Right now though the auto companies can product more conventional fuel efficient models.

Makes you wonder though where the money they made from selling all those SUVs in the 90s went to.........

S. Korea funds research on things like.....the batteries needed for these electric cars...they just announced same big advance a week or two ago.
We should too. That is just one of the ways our car makers are disadvantaged compared to their foreign competitors.

How timely ...

Published online 26 November 2008 | Nature 456, 436-440 (2008) | doi:10.1038/456436a

News Feature
Car industry: Charging up the future

A new generation of lithium-ion batteries, coupled with rising oil prices and the need to address climate change, has sparked a global race to electrify transportation. Jeff Tollefson investigates.

Coincidentally:

GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS, VOL. 35, L22805, doi:10.1029/2008GL036037, 2008

Renewed growth of atmospheric methane

Abstract

[1] Following almost a decade with little change in global atmospheric methane mole fraction, we present measurements from the Advanced Global Atmospheric Gases Experiment (AGAGE) and the Australian Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO) networks that show renewed growth starting near the beginning of 2007. Remarkably, a similar growth rate is found at all monitoring locations from this time until the latest measurements. We use these data, along with an inverse method applied to a simple model of atmospheric chemistry and transport, to investigate the possible drivers of the rise. Specifically, the relative roles of an increase in emission rate or a decrease in concentration of the hydroxyl radical, the largest methane sink, are examined. We conclude that: 1) if the annual mean hydroxyl radical concentration did not change, a substantial increase in emissions was required simultaneously in both hemispheres between 2006 and 2007; 2) if a small drop in the hydroxyl radical concentration occurred, consistent with AGAGE methyl chloroform measurements, the emission increase is more strongly biased to the Northern Hemisphere.

Received 17 September 2008; accepted 16 October 2008; published 20 November 2008.

Well, all I can add to this comes from my favorite Motor Journalist from the UK. Here is his review on the newest Mustang. He likes it, but... the technology is sadly lacking...

All the Plug-and-Play automobiles will require more electricity....and Obama has already said he's gonna bankrupt the coal industry by cap and trade ....so...where the hell is all that electricity gonna come from? Harness the methane coming out of Congress and built a plant to burn it in? Hmmmm...just might werk...

A little more if you don't feel like reading the article...

Not to be brutal (I've owned Mustangs)...but...

"But by European standards this car is rubbish. Its engine has wasteful, unused capacity that turns fuel into nothing, it couldn't get from one end of a country lane to the other without running out of brakes and it handles like a newborn donkey. "

If the car companies listen to DC, they will go tits up because we won't want nor be able to afford it.

Something else. What works good on the east coast will realy suck out west.

No one wants to take away your right to overcompensate for your little penis!

#7 | Posted by Redneckville

Why do you libs relate everything to your cock size? Having a small one must realy bother you.

"If the car companies listen to DC, they will go tits up because we won't want nor be able to afford it."

Er....they are coming and asking for bailouts because.....they wouldn't listen to Washington.
If only Reagan hadn't canceled Carter's energy plan with its higher CAFE standards...if only.....

"Having a small one must realy bother you."

Not so much.

Either take advantage of low gas prices now and use taxation to suppress demand and encourage the sale of fuel efficient vehicles or....wait until gas goes back up to $4.00 and wish we had.

#10 | Posted by danni

Why don't you just say suppress liberty because that is what it is when you tax people into submission.

Is that what they are doing in Europe???
#6 | POSTED BY DANNI
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From what I've seen on BBC America, absolutely. You can't drive from one on-ramp to the next in London without paying some congestion tax, or fossil fuel tax, or wet pants tax.

"From what I've seen on BBC America, absolutely. You can't drive from one on-ramp to the next in London without paying some congestion tax, or fossil fuel tax, or wet pants tax."

- It's 25 pounds a day "congestion charge" to drive through the center of London. You can even call them from your car and they'll deduct it right from your ATM/Credit Card as your driving. Double that in $ and start adding. Lots of people ride the busses again...

Yep. Tax 'em into submission. That's freedom baby!

Its coming out this spring. Called the Honda Insight.

"Why don't you just say suppress liberty because that is what it is when you tax people into submission."

OK don't do anything and see how that works out for you. Americans like you are really a big part of the problem, efficient cars have a very long lead time to go from concept to showroom. If demand isn't created by something the manufacturers are not going to have the models needed when gas prices rise again. If you don't want to create that demand with gas tax then what do you suggest????
If we had enacted a $2.00 gal tax on tax 10 years ago we would not now be in the postion we are now in.

This is so fucking stupid it's not funny. Battery tech is nowhere near where it needs to be to make electric cars a viable business. Price projections on the Chevy Volt are currently $48,000 - and that's a projection, not the final price. Who wants to pay that for a Chevy econobox? Added to that is GM's hinky history. Someone once said, "General Motors never stumbles so badly - or so publicly - as it does when it tries to advance to the state of the art."

There is a long line of GM vehicles proving that statement - the rear-engined Corvair handled dangerously due to cost-cutting on its rear suspension. The Chevy Vega's aluminum engine block wasn't backed up with a cooling system capable of keeping it from meltdown. The Chevy Citation was the first low-priced front-wheel-drive car, so badly assembled and so failure-prone that the car went from waiting-list-only to can't-give-em-away in eighteen months.

What Congress needs to do right now is to work within current mainstream tech. Mandating smaller, lighter cars with smaller engines would save one hell of a lot of gas without taxing the Big Three's fabulously inept engineering resources unduly.

The 2009 Honda insight is targeted at $19,000. Is anyone really going to buy the Volt which looks like a Cobalt now for $48,000. GM missed the target.

From what I've read the insight will not be profitable either. Have you seen different?

Libs will have to take my gas guzzling CO2 spewing V-8 out of my cold dead hamds.

#5 | Posted by fwthom

2008 winner of the Al Queda's American of the Year Award. Pump, baby, pump!

Factor in what getting of ME oil would save in security and military costs, like the 100,000,000 a year escorting the saudi tankers, and the cost comes down.....

So the government is going to reimburse Honda for the loss they take on hybrids because we can stop importing oil from the middle east?

I'm not sure I follow.

Car of the future, at what cost?

Well, our economy and environment are showing us the cost of the car of the past.

Cheers

Honda may as well line up for some bailout money too. After all they are Ohio's largest automotive employer.

Honda employs over 13,000 Ohio workers.

#33 | POSTED BY DANNI
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There are already plenty of fuel efficient cars available to those who want them. And we didn't have to rely on government to create the market. You can get a mid nineties dodge neon for under three grand. 30+ mpg.

Also, where is the extra $2 a gallon going to go? Public transit? Back to the car companies so they can afford to make hybrids and sell them at a price people can afford? Maybe the gov should take that money and start making their own cars. That always works out!

We just raised the gas tax in Minnesota and it's supposed to go toward "public transit". The problem is, half the population of the state lives outside the twin cities metro area, so 2.5 million people get to pay for public transportation they'll never use.

My Celica used to get 35 mpg in the 80s, My Rabbit Diesel got 60 on the highway once and my Civic gets 38 highway. The CRX used to get close to 50 in the 90s.

Nice Sam...

but the government had to strong arm VW into making that Rabbit, right???

I can not wait for their carbon credits and other fools erands to come up to light....at least down-under are having fun with it:

"CARBON COMPLAINT:
1. Carbon dioxide - CO2

It may not come as a great surprise to you that people and most living organisms exhale carbon dioxide. Even plants produce CO2 during a process known as photorespiration, which is usually described in first fifty or so pages of basic biology textbooks. Mostly, of course, chlorophyll containing plants use carbon dioxide, water and sunlight to produce sugars, rather useful stuff. Life, at least on this planet, is carbon based. Calling carbon or carbon dioxide a pollutant is even more absurd than calling the Australian Labor Party a party of workers.

Admitting my bias, I personally believe it is dangerous not to exhale CO2. A simple experiment might convince you that non-exhalation is unhealthy. Please note that I am not counselling you to do so, as, at least in Queensland, it is unlawful. (Criminal Code s.311 (2) .."counsels another to kill himself..") I will leave it to you to consider whether the advertisement could possibly amount to counselling to suicide. Suggestions that we ought to eliminate or reduce CO2 emissions are, of course, very close to it...." Australian Competition and Consumer Commission
Canberra

"but the government had to strong arm VW into making that Rabbit, right???"

Do you think the Rabbit was built just to sell inthe US??? ER.....in GErmany fuel was always expensive, thus they designed and built the car.
If their fuel had been as cheap as America they never would have built those cars.
Thanks for making a perfect argument for my point.

Oh, BTW, the German government did charge high taxes on fuel and yes that "strong armed" the manufacturer to build what consumers wanted (needed).

Meanwhile, here is a list of the top ten selling autos in Europe (2007)
1st: Peugeot 207 (437,505, +105.5%)
2nd: Volkswagen Golf (435,055, +4.5%)
3rd: Ford Focus (406,557, -7.5%)
4th: Opel/Vauxhall Corsa (402,173, +41.7%)
5th: Opel/Vauxhall Astra (402,044, -7.9%)
6th: Renault Clio (382,041, -11.5%)
7th: Fiat Punto (377,989, -5.9%)
8th: Ford Fiesta (300,566, +0.6%)
9th: Volkswagen Passat (300,566, -9.4%)
10th: BMW 3 Series (295,312, +2%)

#13 | Posted by Redneckville

From your list, the following are sold in the US:

Volkswagen Golf
Ford Focus
Volkswagen Passat
BMW 3 Series

The Opel/Vauxhall Astra is being sold as a rebadged Saturn, but otherwise pretty much intact.

It should also be noted that approx. 50% of passenger cars sold in Europe are diesels. And Euro cars typically have smaller displacement engines than their US counterparts. For example, the Subie Impreza (non-WRX/STi) comes standard with a 2.5 liter engine in the US, but the same vehicle in Europe comes standard with a 1.5 liter engine with an option to a 2.0 liter.

FYI, I saw unleaded regular gas (85 octane) this morning for $1.43/gallon.

Makes you wonder though where the money they made from selling all those SUVs in the 90s went to.........

#16 | Posted by deadarmadillo at 2008-11-26 02:21 PM | Reply

It went to union contracts for outrageous wages and lush medical benefits.

Gee, why didn't we do that back in the seventies???

#2 | Posted by danni

You never give up on collectivism, do you?

Are you realy that much of a non-producer?

My Celica used to get 35 mpg in the 80s, My Rabbit Diesel got 60 on the highway once and my Civic gets 38 highway. The CRX used to get close to 50 in the 90s.

#45 | Posted by Unclesam

Try driving one of thoes puppies out here in the mountains in the west. You'll be pushing it up half of the hills.

It's called a cost benefit analysis, and any and ALL business models must have one...except government work that is. Why worry about costs, after all they never have before...

T Boone pickens has put ALL of his alt energy plans on hold, cause they can NOT compete with oil below 110 a barrel. But shhhhhh don't tell chuch, barack, arnold or nancy about that.

BTW does it bother anyone that arnold flies to and from work on a state jet......everyday?

Makes you wonder though where the money they made from selling all those SUVs in the 90s went to.........

#16 | Posted by deadarmadillo at 2008-11-26 02:21 PM | Reply

It went to union contracts for outrageous wages and lush medical benefits.

Yeah, that big old 8% which is less than delivery costs. Most of the profit went into failed or offshore investments. All the Unions' fault, of course. Because CEOs and Boards of Directors are all guided by baby Jesus.....

BTW does it bother anyone that arnold flies to and from work on a state jet......everyday?

#55 | Posted by DavetheWave

Dave--

He pays for it himself.

And Arnie bought into the pollution credit scam!

"pollution credits"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

There was a recent Nature article pointing out that a lot of climatologists had enormous carbon footprints because they traveled to conferences all the time.

I haven't been on one of those flying aluminum mailing tubes in 3.5 years. The airlines suck. Folks should travel as pilots in sailplanes if they're going to fly.

Of course there's the Sonex electric ...

And there's solar electric ...

Solar craft flies through two nights

Aircraft don't need roads.

Most of you are too stupid to fly; Too bad.

Dumb to swear by one way at this point. Put money behind multiple technologies, and let's see if the better technology wins this time, unlike what happened with the competition between VHS and Beta.

I would love to fly here and there.

Pretty funny that the first vid is brought to you be "Exxon Mobil"... lol

Most of you are too stupid to fly; Too bad.

#62 | Posted by Zatoichi

Yes--we would not want to end up like John John.

Pay the winner a 20 million dollar prize..

That reminds me of a joke ...

What do a penguin and JFK Jr have in common?

They both look good in a tux and they CAN'T FLY!

Zat--that was baaaaad....

Plane too big--too complicated, pilot error.

Shame loss of life.

"Plane too big--too complicated"

Bullshit.

Pilot too stupid.

I got my commercial license when I was 18.

I flew a pressurized Baron on my own nickel for years.

Pretty funny that the first vid is brought to you be "Exxon Mobil"... lol

"Exxon Mobil Lubricants"

Get it right. Oil can be useful. It is not necessary to burn it. The present price represents an accurate cost of production and there is plenty left for all of us to die before it's gone. But it will be gone some day; Comprehend and adapt or die.

Zat--

I meant the plane was too big and/or too complicated for the pilot.

And it's ironic that Exxon Mobil would be doing anything with an electric vehicle of any kind.

"I meant the plane was too big and/or too complicated for the pilot."

I know what you meant, imbecile; That's why he's dead; Please take up flying as soon as possible.

I soloed at 17 with 7.4 hours.

Car of the past... Your jacked up ford, chevy or dodge 4x4 truck which comes with bullballs on the hitch, an alarm that says you must wear your camoflage ballcap while driving, bed tailpipes optional and when one drives by it, it smells like gasoline. The nascar bumper sticker costs more along with the busted tail pipe which makes loud. LOL!

"If you don't want to create that demand with gas tax then what do you suggest????"

perpetual war until we convince you to repent and be saved or armageddon, which ever comes first. one is here, the other... well, repent and you won't have to worry about anything. Hummers for all in heaven as on earth --armored and armed hummers with big American flags.

you're with us or you're dead, institutionalized (mental), or in prison.

your child's future: prisoner or prison guard. so join the guards while you still can.

"We just raised the gas tax in Minnesota and it's supposed to go toward "public transit". The problem is, half the population of the state lives outside the twin cities metro area, so 2.5 million people get to pay for public transportation they'll never use."

great, so don't breath or use the water either, then you can complain.

Here`s a good look at our future.(hopefully)

www.fuelvaporcar.com/

There are considerable challenges to this endeavor but we can't back down from those challenges. Our survival could very well depend on alternative energy.
And what real American doesn't love a good challenge?

...Hydrogen Fuel Cell...

Danni says raise gas taxes and righties here make fun, conservative DAvid Frum on NR says the same thing and they say hmmmm.....

Listen to him discuss it then after you think about it realize that even very conservative people can understand that the energy crisis is too critical to ignore and simply rely on free market forces, some stimulation to bring about change is necessary. GAs taxes are on form of stimulation which he prefers of legislating which way auto makers should proceed, I think I agree with him. The market will steer the course but it needs some influence to go more fuel efficient and low gas prices are eliminating that important influence. Thus taxes can replace high price, encourage economy and provide revenue for alternative energy research and developement too.

First thing to understand is that neither the car companies nor the government are on YOUR SIDE!
Example: Same car sold in the USA and Canada by Honda. Canada passes a law (with the urging of the car companies) that requires the car to be disabled if stolen. The car Honda sells in the USA has the exact same device as the Canadian car requires. Canada passes and amendment to the law requiring the housing for the device to be thicker than the one on the USA version. Cost of the revised housing, probably $100.00. Cost of the Canadian version of the Car $35,000, cost of the USA version $25,000. Honda (as well as all other car manufacturers) issues bulletin to ALL dealerships bordering Cabada that working on a car purchased in the USA by a Canadian citizen will VOID WARRANTEE for the car.

Now lets talk about fuel efficiency. France manufactures automobiles that don't run on fuel OR electricity. They run on compressed air. The cheapest versions cost less than $5,000 NEW. Can't be purchased in the USA.

US cars that can use flex fuel use ethanol. USA ethanol is made from corn. Corn is 1/3 as efficient at producing ethanol as sugar cane. Brazil produces so much sugar that they can export ethanol for less than it costs US companies to produce it from corn. In fact Brazil can run their entire fleet of cars on 100% ethanol and use NO crude oil except for lubrication. They don't, but 2.2 million cars use 100% ethanol and all fuel is required to use a minimum of 20-26% ethanol so 20 million use between 20-95% ethanol in their fuel.
Result: USA erects trade barriers limiting the improtation of ethanol from Bazil in order to "protect" US farmers. So the USA only imported $80.4 million worth of ethanol from Bazil in 2004 out of the $605 million worth that they exported.
Result: USA drivers pay much more for ethanol laced fuels as they should and most drivers can only get fuel that has 10% ethanol (Swedish drivers use fuel that is 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline) because American farmers can't produce enough corn to provide enough ethanol to increase the amount of ethanol in their fuel (remember that corn is only 1/3 as efficient as sugar for making ethanol).
So the USA continues to import crude oil at rediculous prices when they can import ethanol for far less as well as get American farmers to grow sugar cane instead of corn for ethanol production.
But that won't happen since the Senators who control this industry are from the Midwest where sugar cane won't grow and corn will.

My biggest objection to Ethanol is this one question:

How much oil does it take to create 1 gallon of Ethanol? Those irrigation pumps, tractors and haulers don't run on solar power.

the German government did charge high taxes on fuel and yes that "strong armed" the manufacturer to build what consumers wanted (needed).

#49 | Posted by danni at 2008-11-26 04:14 PM | Reply

A strong-armed government defines what people want, through coercion and force.....

It's Classic Danni Drivel!

I lived in Europe for years, particularly Germany. People drove small cars because that was what they could afford, but when someone had more money, they'd opt for what they really wanted, a full-body sedan with a big engine.

...Hydrogen Fuel Cell...

#78 | Posted by libertarian_gi at 2008-11-27 10:49 AM | Reply

.... which extracts hydrogen from ...... GASOLINE!

Sorry, there's no free lunch.

"In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!"
--Homer Simpson

Because CEOs and Boards of Directors are all guided by baby Jesus.....

#56 | Posted by northguy3 at 2008-11-26 06:52 PM | Reply

This comment doesn't even make a sliver of sense -- and that's after giving you the benefit of teh doubt.

Your pathological hatred of Christianity has become terminal.

Victor Wouk (19192005) was an American scientist and pioneer in the development of electric and hybrid vehicles.

Victor Wouk, the brother of writer Herman Wouk, was born in New York City in 1919. He got his bachelor's degree from Columbia University in 1939 and graduated in 1942 as PhD from the California Institute of Technology with a thesis titled Static electricity generated during the distribution of gasolene.

During the 1960s and 1970s, Wouk got involved in electric and hybrid vehicles; he successfully converted a Buick Skylark vehicle with a 20-kilowatt direct-current electric motor and an RX-2 Mazda rotary engine. This vehicle was tested at the Environmental Protection Agency's emissions-testing laboratories in Ann Arbor, where it obtained more than twice the fuel economy of the vehicle before it was converted. Furthermore, the vehicle's emission rates were only about 9 percent of those of a gasoline powered car from that era. This pioneer work gained him the nickname of the grandfather of electric and hybrid vehicles in the United States. Hybrid vehicles would in fact only appear on the market by the late 1990s.

Wouk was also actively involved in the field of electric vehicle standardization, participating in relevant technical committees such as the IEC TC69 and the ISO TC22 SC21 on electric vehicles. He remained an active member of these committees until the early 2000s.

Victor Wouk died on May 19, 2005 in his New York home.

The archives of Victor Wouk are kept at Caltech.

Brother to Herman Wouk, too!

"Brazil produces so much sugar that they can export ethanol for less than it costs US companies to produce it from corn. In fact Brazil can run their entire fleet of cars on 100% ethanol and use NO crude oil except for lubrication. They don't, but 2.2 million cars use 100% ethanol and all fuel is required to use a minimum of 20-26% ethanol so 20 million use between 20-95% ethanol in their fuel."

#80 | Posted by TheShyGuy

Don't be praising the Brazilian ethanol industry too highly. The price to the Amazonian ecosystem is very high. More ethanol demand means more sugar cane needs to be planted which means more land must be cleared which means more rain forest is destroyed.

Everything has its price.

Everything has its price.

#87 | Posted by ZOT at 2008-11-28 09:12 AM | Reply |

But so long as we are not producing safe, clean, easy oil off the coast of Florida, the price is not too high.

It's only when rich Floridians worry about their ocean view that domestic oil is evil. It's wonderful when the oil rigs fuck with the view of poor blacks in Louisiana.

Rich people in Florida want to drive their SUVs on Middle East oil. paid for with the blood of poor people soldiers from Louisiana

Everything has its price.

#87 | Posted by ZOT at 2008-11-28 09:12 AM | Reply |

But so long as we are not producing safe, clean, easy oil off the coast of Florida, the price is not too high.

It's only when rich Floridians worry about their ocean view that domestic oil is evil. It's wonderful when the oil rigs fuck with the view of poor blacks in Louisiana.

Rich people in Florida want to drive their SUVs on Middle East oil. paid for with the blood of poor people soldiers from Louisiana

Car of the Future at What Cost?

Libs will have to take my gas guzzling CO2 spewing V-8 out of my cold dead hamds.

Yes, let's tax the people till they choke, are broke, and are willing to bow down and do what we want them to do.

~the lack of imagination right

Zat--
I meant the plane was too big and/or too complicated for the pilot.

And it's ironic that Exxon Mobil would be doing anything with an electric vehicle of any kind.

POSTED BY MURPHY

I'm often amazed by you. How can you get so wrong so often?

JFK's aircraft was very basic they don't get a whole lot simpler. His crash was basically due to either a lack of skill or aptitude.

As for Exxon it isn't irony that would take them into another venue of energy but forth-thought, imagination, and survival in a changing world. In other words they are perhaps more than partisan rightwing, fool to convention, i.e. MURPHY.

"But so long as we are not producing safe, clean, easy oil off the coast of Florida, the price is not too high."

The pretense that anyone really wanted to invest the money to drill offshore is now unnecessary because the election is over. It was simply a desperate attempt to claim an issue for the campaign, there was never a serious desire on anyone's part to do such drilling and there still isn't. There simply isn't enough oil out there to make it worthwhile but it was a great issue for McCain and Palin. Drill baby drill....riiiight.

The is an estimate 20 billion barrels of oil in Alaska which is equivalent to what we imported from Saudi Arabia in the last 20 years

Brother to Herman Wouk, too!

en.wikipedia.org

#86 | Posted by Bani at 2008-11-28 06:30 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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AHHHH! You rad the article Bani!
very good. this bitch was let go by the nixon admin as a hoax. nice reading. now convince the rest of the dumbasses the Wouks were trying to complete the obvious.

I posted something similar to this earlier so here it goes agian.

I wont buy a electric/hybrid untill:

a.) I can get a 4x4 that will haul 2 tons and must be able to drive a distance of AT LEAST 300(would prefer 500) miles BEFORE i need to charge it up.

b.) NO FUCKING CRACKER JACK MINI SHIT. I like a big car and thats what I will look for. Make me one, I will buy it.

c.) Must be able to go upwards of 125 mph or I aint interested.

d.) Only American made will do.

Meet these 4 targets and a Electric/Hybrid owner I will be.

Like Wellstone, JFK jr was murdered for obvious reasons...find the one you like best here:>)

This was my Fav a laugh riot from start to finish.