What will the spin on this be?

What will the spin on this be?

#1 | Posted by JOE

Great question.

To me, it seems as if it's an admission by Obama that increasing taxes on the wealthy does indeed have a negative impact on the economy.

Any tax increase needs to be timed to coincide with taking effect during an economic upswing.

Increasing tax rates during a recession will only exacerbate said recession.

Joe,
I sense you take great pleasure in pointing out the warts on Obama's face. I could see if his supporters were over-zealous, or blind in their worship, but it just seems cruel to repeatedly point out to these dumb-fucks that they bought in to "Hope and Change" when anyone, including democrats with half a brain, that he was full of shit.

What was the spin on the whole "Change" thing anyway? I saw the spin on Hillary, but Richardson and a bunch of other Clinton Cabinet re-treads?

You Obamites are seriously pathetic in your lame attempts to spin the fact you got sold like a bunch of fucking suckers.

You are going to have a lot of wealthy people killing themselves in 2010 if this is true. Also, this is a typical statement right before the holiday season. Why tell people you are going to raise their taxes if you need them to go out and spend money. My guess is you may not see a full repeal of the Bush tax cuts before they expire, but you will see some.

P.S., I thought there was an argument that if Dems let the tax cuts sunset then they would be raising taxes - is that not the case anymore?

My one post for the day, I have a lot of work to do before Thanksgiving. I am very busy as of late as my clients are thinking all of their money is going to be stolen by the Obama admin, and they need me to help with their tax planning. Business is good, business is great.

P.P.S - I think there is already a thread on this topic.

"Any tax increase needs to be timed to coincide with taking effect during an economic upswing."

You state this as a fact when it is not even close to being a fact.

"Why tell people you are going to raise their taxes if you need them to go out and spend money."

Because he said he was going to.

"P.S., I thought there was an argument that if Dems let the tax cuts sunset then they would be raising taxes - is that not the case anymore?"

What does that have to do with Obama breaking a promise? Call it whatever you feel like calling it.

You state this as a fact when it is not even close to being a fact.

OK, allow me to rephrase.

Taking into account my education (which includes a degree in economics), my life experiences - which includes running a small business ($1.5 million in annual revenues), all of my non-school-related readings on the subject of economics and just some common frickin' sense, it is my strong opinion that increasing taxes during a recession only exacerbates said recession. In the interest of reducing deficits/balancing the budget, the best time to implement a tax increase is to do so during an economic upswing. Again, this is only my opinion.

PS to Danni - in further response to your comment, look in the mirror. You VERY frequently present your opinions as unchallengeable fact.

My one post for the day, I have a lot of work to do before Thanksgiving. I am very busy as of late as my clients are thinking all of their money is going to be stolen by the Obama admin, and they need me to help with their tax planning. Business is good, business is great.

Posted by taxman

And I'm sure you are telling all of them they have nothing to worry about, right, Mr. Block?

PS to Danni - in further response to your comment, look in the mirror.

there is no way she has a mirror in that cave.

PS to Danni - in further response to your comment, look in the mirror.

I don't think she can, she has no reflection...

And I'm sure you are telling all of them they have nothing to worry about, right, Mr. Block?

Hell, no! I learned from Republicans that stoking fear means good business. All joking aside I tell clients that the international tax code is probably going to change in an effort to become more of a protectionist economy which I am most definitely against. I agree we need to protect our workers at home, but we are a global society and need to think progressively. I also point out that many of these changes will come from the likes of Barney Frank and Charlie Rangle than the Obama admin. I think Obama realizes the importance of a global economy, but he is going to have to convince other dems.

P.S. - the Mr. Block thing certainly ages you grandpa pee-pants ; )

OK, really got to go.

What will the spin on this be?
#1 | Posted by JOE at 2008-11-24 02:20 PM

Why the spin will about how outraged the "right" is over what was perfectly acceptable to them last month and how the images of them flapping their little arms makes them look like bitter little clowns!

Redcocosamiamvile-

Why would the right be outraged over this??? It's what we have been telling idiots like yourself for years, and it's reassuring to see that BHO now understands the realities of the situation.

The only people who will be bitter and flapping their arms over this are the lefties who thought that Barry was actually listening to what they had to say.

So before the election, all the RWNJ's crowed and crowed about what a liberal socialist Obama was, and now that he's elected, they keep trumpeting about what a Bush/Clinton Junior he is.

The saddest part? He's been neither. Even the article posted above is full of naught but suggestions, considerations and guesses.

Give it all a rest already and wait to see what he really does, eh? You are only making fools of yourselves.

But then, what else is new?

Thanks Rogue.

I wonder how many other campaign promises Obammy will re-nig on.

You Obamites are seriously pathetic in your lame attempts to spin the fact you got sold like a bunch of fucking suckers.

#3 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-11-24 02:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

You're right. We should have just voted for McSame and his retarded Veep, 'cuz what we need is 4 more years of the same.

Face it Whine-oh-Whine, you lost. Deal with it.

PS to Danni - in further response to your comment, look in the mirror.

After she's through straddling it.

Face it Whine-oh-Whine, you lost. Deal with it.
#17 | Posted by COMMONSENSE
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Correction. The two party system won again, which means everyone lost... again.

This news is devastating.

The wealthy have staved off this move for far to long.
Payback is coming.
Perhaps the delay will only heighten the euphoria to come!

Be Well.

Correction. The two party system won again, which means everyone lost... again.

#19 | Posted by the_nether

Divide and conquer... The Dems and Repubs, working together to brainwash the entire country.

Exactly. Two party politics has become the new opiate of the masses.

The spin comes from the righties, but I find the action - well - disappointing. herm

which includes running a small business ($1.5 million in annual revenues),

Jeff--

What was the business--if you don't mind asking?

As for some of the yahoos with the stupid comments directed towards Danni--

Kindly knock it off--please.

don't mind me asking?

As a Republican I like what President Elect Obama has been saying AND doing so far.

Even Bill O'Riley had a word or two of praise for our new President Elect (THAT has got to hurt).

GOP for Obama!!!!!!!!

This thread makes me sick. Yet another "obama sucks as prez" argument and he's not even prez yet.

Can we give the guy 100 days before saying it's armageddon? hmmm?

How about he actually takes office first? Jesus, it's not like he told the entire bush cabinet to stay on...quit wetting your panties dethspud and everyone else too.

Obama is a Bigger,Slimier Cocksucker than Bush was or ever could be!!! But on the other hand he's exactly what America deserves!!!

Well well well!!!

I wonder what crow tastes like now that the Messiah acknowledges supply-side economics will have to stay a little while longer. I guess the rich are evil, but not that evil?

Way to go Messiah. I'm sure JFK would agree with this move!

Good Grief!!!!

Obama said in the debates, when asked about setting priorities in the wake of the economic mess, that priorities would be necessary and some things might have to be deferred. He said it plain and simple. Some Dems will howl about being betrayed and some Repubs will shout with glee but it is no surprise. Obama is pragmatic, not ideolistic, and some lefties and some righties are going to be in some surprises as a result.

You're right. We should have just voted for McSame and his retarded Veep, 'cuz what we need is 4 more years of the same.

Face it Whine-oh-Whine, you lost. Deal with it.

#17 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2008-11-24 07:56 PM | Reply

Translation: I'm going to deflect to McCain instead of admitting what everyone else knows: Obama sold fools like me a bad bill of goods.

The same dumb fucks that praised Obama for going after the rich, for attacking "politics as usual", for bucking the system and changing Washington, are the same dumb fucks making excuses for Obamas complete reversal on all 3.

You guys are a bunch of lap-dogs. Obama beats you because he loves you...

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results...

You saps.

"Any tax increase needs to be timed to coincide with taking effect during an economic upswing. "

That's exactly the opposite of what George W. Bush has been saying for the last 8 years.

True insanity would be not to temporarily change strategery when the facts change as they have with this recession.

Of course, had Obama went ahead with his plan, he would be castigated from the right for that, too.

Having one's donut and eating it too, eh Homer?

I wonder what crow tastes like

As an Obama supporter, a Democrat and a lefty, this doesn't bother me at all. No crow has or will be eaten over this.

Unlike those on the right, we like leaders who think and act for the common good.

Most of us on the left (actually the center, given the election results) are willing to cut Obama some slack on ideology purity and give him a chance to do what he has to do to get the job done. We will not advocate adherence to ideological positions to the detriment of the country. Now is the time when we all need to put "Country First" and not our respective political parties.

What we need to dig us out of this crisis are actions based on informed pragmatism, not blind idealism.

Liberals support leaders who are adept at finding solutions to problems using knowledge and the intellect, not unshakable adherence to political dogma and acting on "gut" instincts or so-called divine guidance.

Conservatism, given it's recent history, seems to be mostly about pining for a past that never existed and thumping the bible while enabling official corruption and undermining civil liberties and the rule of law.

True insanity would be not to temporarily change strategery when the facts change as they have with this recession.

#34 | Posted by Corky at 2008-11-25 09:39 AM | Reply

How do you temporarily change your Cabinet to reflect your campaign mantra/promise/slogan/catch phrase/idiot bait of "Change you can believe in!"?

How did we go from "out of Iraq immediately" to "We'll talk to the generals on the ground" to "Out immediately" to whatever today's position is?

This recession you speak of...How long has it been going on? How long has the left been talking about it? I assume it happened during the Primary, and I'm sure it was weeks and months before 11/4...Yet the Chosen One was still baiting the fools with the whole "Get the rich" and "Spread the wealth" shit.

Admit it Cork, there are more than just a couple of Obama sycophants here on the retort that spewed those talking points non-stop, yet now they pretend as though it's no big deal that Bammy is doing the 180 that everyone else pretty much knew was coming.

Basically, he's not "Change". He's not what he told the suckers he was. You saw it, I saw it.

Obama is Clinton light. Hell, I'm fine with a repeat of the Clinton years, but I don't think Obama can do it better than an actual Clinton. All those people that railed you for being a Clinton supporter are supporting a half black Clinton. You must be laughing your ass off at the irony. I'm surprised you aren't reminding some of your more angry attackers of this fact.

You people just do not get it.

Every stimulus package requires the citizenry to accumulate more DEBT.

Listen to what they say- they want you to finance more stuff, use your credit card more, incur more debt to corporate america which doesnt want to pay anybody anything, unless you are involved in fleecing the citizens further.

Please, by all means keep helping them to destroy my country from within, an act of treason, no less.

Fuck the banks, the investment houses, the builders, the automakers, and every other corp. that has been robbing this nation blind.

AND FUCK YOU TO THE US CRIMINAL GOVERNMENT.

-I'm surprised you aren't reminding some of your more angry attackers of this fact.

You know I'm not that kind of a guy.... lmao!

You'll be happy (?) to know that you and the Tater of Doom are on the same page on this one.

This is what I told him...

Aslo; the fact is that economists of all persuasions see the definite need for a big stimulus package, even conservative and Republican economists like Ben Stein and Marty Feldstein.

No, not this Marty ...

Besides, "change" from Bush' policies is not the same as "change" from everything. So far his picks for cabinet and staff positions have met with approval from both sides of the aisle. A tax increase now would be a bad thing, not so much because folks that make ovr 250k can't afford to pay another 3% in taxes, but because of the emotional impact on the economy.

well whats the news here

I also heard him PROMISE people that he would make sure that thier kids had the same chance at a good education as his own children

so will this private school they are going to be able to accomadate several million children

or was that just blowing smoke up thier ass like the times I HEARD HIM STATE that the bush tax cuts would be gone

and he also said that he would tell the generals on his FIRST DAY IN office that they have NEW ORDERS...

reality checking in maybe

and isnt all of the apologies and CRAWFISHING from our liberal bros here something

what happened to all that angst and carrying on about the EVIL BUSH TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHY AND RICH

WELL??????????????????????

Obama's picks are Clinton redux--pure and simple.

I'll believe it when I see it.

He should be out there in the media saying he would hold off on the tax increases and extend the Bush tax cuts.

In fact, he should go further in the tax cuts.

This would be good news to the markets and others to calm down and likely gain some confidence.

Since elected the markets have tanked 20%.

so are you and barry saying that to HELP the economy, tax cuts would HELP????

WELL????????

come on LIBERAL BROS

its time to step up to the plate or step into the shit or is being held ACCOUNTABLE for all of your bloviating bullshit all this time Going to be too much for most of you to handle

( hey this being the minority might not be so bad afterall) hee hee

How does this grab all you libs?

thats my question

I remember reading here that the bush tax cuts were the problem behind all of our economic woes and now THEY MIGHT BE LEFT BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMY????

so where are all the experts this morning to tell us how this is okay NOW....but it wasnt okay when mccain had a shot at the white house??????

come on lib bros

step up and let us in on it....

Of course, had Obama went ahead with his plan, he would be castigated from the right for that, too.

Having one's donut and eating it too, eh Homer?

#34 | Posted by Corky
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He wasn't elected by the right. He was voted in by the left, and has been running right ever since. On Iraq, on taxes, on bailouts of big Wall Street banks, on offshore drilling.

LOL. Who knew that McSame was actually Barack Obama?

Let's see---Obama rolls back tax cuts by Bush---the Right think he's an asshole.

Obama doesn't roll back the tax cuts---the Right think he's an asshole.

That's what I call saupporting your President.

This is two countries---you guys need your own country---take McCain with you and make him your Pres. Gee--call it America if you like---people won't be fiooled.

PS to Danni - in further response to your comment, look in the mirror. You VERY frequently present your opinions as unchallengeable fact.

#8 | Posted by JeffJ

Correction Danni presents her opinion as "unintelligible fact".

Let's see---Obama rolls back tax cuts by Bush---the Right think he's an asshole.

Obama doesn't roll back the tax cuts---the Right think he's an asshole."

Wrong. If he rolls back tax cuts in the middle of a recession, he's stupid. If he doesn't, he's a liar. There is a difference between being stupid and being a liar (but not in your case).

step up and let us in on it....

I believe that Obama and his advisers are using a Keynesian approach. I also think this is the correct course at this time.

Keynesian economics says cut taxes and provide governmental stimulus in a recession, then raise taxes in boom times to control inflation.

Bushanomics says cut taxes for the rich no matter what is happening in the economy.

Bush's big economic mistake was going to war while cutting taxes then using the treasury like his Uncle Sam's no limit credit card to finance his wars. Bush's ideological blinders and poor choice of advisers led him to this disastrous course, one which has never been followed by any previous President.

Joe

And you belong in your own cuntry--you hate this one--find one you like.

Bob, being that you're the only person here who repeatedly tells anyone who disagrees with him to "leave the country," it sounds like you belong in a place like Venezuela or Russia where dissenting voices are not heard. The common denominator in these "get out of America" conversations is "you." Perhaps that means something.

Sorry but $250,000 is not rich. Perhas it is in Kansas but not in NY/NY/CT

Bushanomics says cut taxes for the rich no matter what is happening in the economy.

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Oh. So you admit that the economy was in good shape under Bush? Because if so, then your complaint is valid. But most lefties believe that we've been in a recession since his swearing-in, which would make his low-tax regime more sensible.

So which is it? It's always amusing to watch the tortured logic of the libs. Was the economy strong, thus his tax cuts for the rich a lousy idea? Or was it weak, and therefore a good one?

Sorry but $250,000 is not rich. Perhas it is in Kansas but not in NY/NY/CT

#54 | Posted by timbci at 2008-11-25 01:04 PM | Reply

Bullshit. Educate yourself.

New York City has a high degree of income disparity. In 2005 the median household income in the wealthiest census tract was reported to be $188,697, while in the poorest it was $9,320.

Sorry but $250,000 is not rich

The WSJ bitch-slapped the $250k number and Obama's ads reduced it to $200k.

Biden mentioned $150k in a speech and Bill Richardson mentioned $120k.

This is household income, btw. 2 wage-earners making $100k each would be subjected to the proposed tax increase.

No worries though. Obama is backing off on this as reality sets in.

I would rather live in a country with a lower total GDP but more equal distribution of wealth than a country with a higher GDP and greater wealth disparity. I don't see how the Bush Depression should slow or change the plan. In fact, now is the ideal opportunity to implement such a plan. People will be more tolerant of asset confiscation because of the current economic crisis. In a few years we can move away from Bushonomics (i.e. Supply-Side Trickle-Down Voodoo Economics) to Obamanomics. Common people won't have to struggle to pay their mortgages or fill their gas tanks. Ordinary people will be able to achieve the American dream of home ownership without the oppressive, capitalistic burdens placed on them. Maybe the uberwealthy such as John McCain will have to learn to live with only 1 house so that the rest of the country can afford a home.

This is household income, btw. 2 wage-earners making $100k each would be subjected to the proposed tax increase.

No worries though. Obama is backing off on this as reality sets in.

#57 | Posted by JeffJ at 2008-11-25 01:14 PM | Reply | Flag

False. You are talking gross---Obama is talking net

"Bushanomics says cut taxes for the rich no matter what is happening in the economy." - Silver
"Oh. So you admit that the economy was in good shape under Bush?" - RiR

Sorry, don't see the connection. Could you explain it please?

Huh...and the two days since he stated this the markets have turned upward.

I guess those tax cuts were not JUST for the RICH. I guess that RAISING CAPITAL GAINS TAXES is a DUMB idea and caused a massive sell off. I guess EVERYTHING WE SAID ABOUT THE TAX PLAN was right.

Geeze ...you guys voted for Obama and you got Clinton!?! So much for change....I hear that Obama is going to bring back Monica as asst. Press Sec. ...She will be the "mouthpiece" of the administration.

Ho hOO...here comes the "Change" express....CO..CO...CO..CORRUP
...CORRUPTION...CORRUPTION CORRUPTION...HHOOO HOOOO......

By the way....when did the economy start going south...two years ago...when did Bush take office - 8 years ago....when did the congress turn over to the Dems....two years ago....funny how that matches up.

"By the way....when did the economy start going south...two years ago...when did Bush take office - 8 years ago....when did the congress turn over to the Dems....two years ago....funny how that matches up."

When examining the stock market crash and the Great Depression people look at the president, Herbert Hoover, as the person responsible.

Funny how that matches up.

Hans

By the way....when did the economy start going south...two years ago...when did Bush take office - 8 years ago....when did the congress turn over to the Dems....two years ago....funny how that matches up.

#62 | Posted by foshaffer

So let's see here... every thing that went wrong during the first 6 years of Republicans controlling everything were residual and delayed effects from the Clinton Administration. But as soon as Democrats have a marginal majority then responsibility immediately shifts.

Nice and clean that way - its always somebody else's fault.

FOSHAFFER broke all his crayons writing that post.

The markets were up yesterday on news that the government is bailing out CitiGroup. Those Wall Street types hate socialism, except when the government rushes to the aid of failing companies. The DJIA is currently up 30 points -- not exactly a newsworthy rebound.

What corruption do you refer to?

Knows,

The corruption that follows Obama...from the multimillion dollar home funded by Rezco to the Butler - Valeri Jarrett - Obama housing scam.

(where you borrow $50M from the Govn to buy low income housing from the Govn (thank you Obama). Take the rental income that Housing authority pays you, send the money to Jarretts firm (Michele's old boss and current Obama aid recently shown walking off the plane with him) which keeps the money, then after two years and NOBODY living in the houses (as they are too bad for even poor people) give the $50M back and walk away.

Now we have the Clintonista's back - and the corruption of: 90 FBI files, Sandy "Burglar" stuffing documents in his pants, Vince Foster, The dead girl in the lions cage, Hillary and Madison G, Rose Law Firm files, The "Chinese Wall" that lead to 911, The Kid and Cuba, and on..and on.

So here comes the Corruption express right out of corrupt Chicago - mixing the best of Chicago with the Clinton's. Tax payers bend over and grease up..it will be a long 4 years.

And Hans...it was the tight money policy of the Fed the caused it.

"The Federal Reserve is generally believed to have caused the Great Depression of 1929-33. Its tight-money stance at the end of the '20s and into the next decade caused or contributed to the large and prolonged declines in money and prices. However, there is little agreement on why the Fed behaved as it did"

Monetary Policy in the Great Depression
John H. Wood, Ph.D., Economics, Wake Forest University, 1834 Wake Forest Road, Winston-Salem, NC 27106

Which is why we have such a "loose money" policy now.

And by the way:

Two UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression dragged on for almost 15 years, and they blame a suspect previously thought to be beyond reproach: President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

After scrutinizing Roosevelt's record for four years, Harold L. Cole and Lee E. Ohanian conclude in a new study that New Deal policies signed into law 71 years ago thwarted economic recovery for seven long years

"If he would have let the market adjustment take its course we would have been out of the Depression by around 1937"

As long as we're listing scandals...

Bush Scandals List
1. Patient neglect at Walter Reed Army Hospital
2. US Attorney firings
3. Libby/Plame Affair (Outing a CIA agent)
4. Pre-Emptive Iraq war
5. North Korea (mishandling nuclear issue)
6. Iranian "War of Words"
7. Mishandling of War in Afghanistan
8. Failure to Capture Osama Bin Laden
9. Civilian contractors in Iraq (no-bid contracts)
10. Military Commissions Act
11. Hurricane Katrina Inaction
12. NSA warrantless wiretapping
13. Black sites and rendition
14. Jack Abramoff
15. Tom Delay
16. Mark Foley
17. Cheney Energy Task Force
18. Tax cuts for the richest
19. Dereliction of duty on global warming
20. Budget deficits and a greatly increased national debt
21. Stacking of the Supreme Court
22. Failure to fully fund Medicare
23. Stealing the 2000 election
24. Rigging the 2004 election
25. Failure to implement 9/11 commission recommendations
26. Doctrine of Preventive War (Bush Doctrine)
27. Loss of US prestige
28. Inaction on Israeli-Palestinian peace process
29. Refusal to fund scientific research
30. Unilateral Executive Doctrine and dissolution of checks-and-balances
31. Patriot Act and its Extension
32. Sago mining disaster (non-enforcement of safety regulations)
33. Ballistic missile shield project (both the overspending and international destabilization)
34. Inaction on Darfur
35. Russian nuclear weapons accountability (lack thereof)
36. Jose Padilla
37. Guantanamo Bay and the torture of prisoners
38. Inaction during and mishandling of the anthrax attacks

Excuse me, Knowstoomuch, but the majority of what you listed can in no way be described as scandals. Many of them are simply opinions while others, such as the Patriot Act are viewed as good things by others. In fact, I would say that there are hardly any "scandals" listed in there at all. Nice try.

Translation: I'm going to deflect to McCain instead of admitting what everyone else knows: Obama sold fools like me a bad bill of goods.

#31 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-11-25 09:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

No deflection. I'm simply pointing out how bitter and angry you are, and I'm enjoying it very much.

Thank you.

I too am enjoying the sour grapes outpouring in this thread. At least i waited 2 years after Bush was in office to begin formulating an opinion of his actions and policies. Obama, love or hate him (because no one in here can simply either admire him or be suspect of him) has yet to take office. Yeah, he's been our CIC negative 58 days. None of these proposed policies have even remotely gone past the stage of speculation. I can't wait until a piece of bipartisan legislation hits O's desk so I can hear the whiny little neocons drudging up some pitiful excuse of an argument to indict Obama while crediting all right-thinking and patriotic Republicans. As a middle of the road guy, seeing the venom of both fringe groups in here is sickening.

Some of these posts are surreal. I recall hoards of Obama supporters holding pitch forks and torches, charging behind Obama toward the rich guy's house. They're rabid glee that Obama was gonna clean out those god awful rich people and save the world with all their loot, was very pronounced.

Today, Obama hints that he's not gonna tie the rich to the whipping pole any time soon and blood thirsty left is cool with that? Today, the blood thirsty left is actually accepting the notion that tax hikes might further stifle a down turned economy...only now because Obama said so? He's not gonna beeline troops out of Iraq now either and the left is cool with that too? What if Obama says he's not gonna overturn "Don't ask, don't tell" right away? Is the homosexual left suddenly cool with that too? Er, um...wait...Obama did say that already, didn't he?

The Svengali effect this Obama guys has over his Dittohead-style supporters would be disturbing if it wasn't so predictable. It's called blind support. Many Republican's suffer from the same weak minded, team mentality. We really shouldn't poopoo the other guy for having the same weaknesses that we have, should we?

I for one am pleased by the noticeably tamer criticism of Obama in this post. Sure, there has been some talk about lying or misleading but, Obama is a politician and such action is text book modus operandi for both the Republicans and the Democrats. We all can agree on that. It's really nothing to be trippin over. As soon as Obama turns left again, the Republican's will be right there to hate on him again...Once again, all too predictable.

The bottom line is, every president elect renigs on campaign promises. They all pander left or right for votes and govern towards the middle. Let's face it, who would vote for a candidate that campaigns in the center? Bob Dole did and he got his ass handed to him.

The Svengali effect this Obama guys has over his Dittohead-style supporters would be disturbing if it wasn't so predictable. It's called blind support.

Sheeple are indeed predictible, aren't they? But they are funny to watch, you have to admit.

What does Obama say on this? The article merely said that an AID SUGGESTED that he MAY not repeal the taxes IMMEDIATLY, instead waiting for them to time out in less than 2 years.

You cynics are just looking for a reason to bash Obama. So chill out and let's see what HE does when he's actually president.

Oh, I'm also calling a carpet ban on the term "sheeple" in this thread. Seriously, it's a pretty stupid term. People are always going to act in groups, get over it. Stop complaining about it and start trying to work around it.

You can bitch about the way people do what they're told, but really you can't honestly expect everyone to be as clever as you. Or maybe you can, but you'd be deluding yourself.

Seriously, it's [sheeple] a pretty stupid term

If the shoe fits . . .

People are always going to act in groups, get over it.

Speak for yourself, sheeple. LOL

My iconoclastic and individualistic ways are well known to those who are well acquainted with me

You are an individual, just like everyone else......

There's a quote by Jesse Jackson (I know, he's crazy) but it's still pretty good. "Never look down on someone unless you plan to bring them up."

So, instead of making fun of them, at least try and talk to them. And NO, this does not mean cramming shocking truths down their throats, this means BEING NICE. That's how you get people to think for themselves. Instead of screaming at them, you go slowly.
Look at MLK. That was his philosophy. He knew that merely assaulting white american culture would merely alienate him and his people further.

You are an individual, just like everyone else

Brian: Please, please, please listen! I've got one or two things to say.

The Crowd: Tell us! Tell us both of them!

Brian: Look, you've got it all wrong! You don't NEED to follow ME, You don't NEED to follow ANYBODY! You've got to think for your selves! You're ALL individuals!

The Crowd: Yes! We're all individuals!

Brian: I am NOT the Messiah!

Arthur: I say you are Lord, and I should know. I've followed a few.

.....Sorry. Life of Brian is one of my favorites........

I wonder how many other campaign promises Obammy will re-nig on.

#16 | Posted by LeeAtwater

The PC police have seen this.

Bushanomics says cut taxes for the rich no matter what is happening in the economy.

Bush's big economic mistake was going to war while cutting taxes then using the treasury like his Uncle Sam's no limit credit card to finance his wars. Bush's ideological blinders and poor choice of advisers led him to this disastrous course, one which has never been followed by any previous President.

#51 | Posted by silver_ironist at 2008-1

okay so I said

step up to it

not step around it

fact is we heard nothing about the economy in a certain place or anything like that
all we heard is that the bush tax cuts were for the rich and had to be thrown out and NOW we here that BECAUSE OF The economy that we need to keep them in

so if they caused all of this, why are they going to stay???

OOPS//forgot to lead off with

I get your points.......but it seems like the left is having to "SPLAIN A LOT OF THINS TO RICKY" in the past weeks

and if you dont get the "SPLAIN" phrase, then you arent old enought anyway

so if they caused all of this, why are they going to stay???

BL2,
The Obama lovers are in for a rude awakening. Most of the major campaign promises are just that. Promises. Obama won't repeal any of the so called Executive Orders like he promised. Obama won't go after the Oil Companies like he promised. His Universal Healthcare is already off the table. He is going to find out very soon his opposite approach to being Bush will subside once he is in office. The question is will the media and his minions call him on it.

but it worries me that ted kennedy has been talking health care lately when hillary was first talked up about being in the obamatopia clan....

and you know....I remember in two different places where I taught and moved there as the assistant.
I ,of course knew much more than the head guy...or so I thought...and then when I took over, I had a whole 'nother' appreciation for what he did and had to do and I saw that it wasnt nearly the same looking in..
I can only imagine that this is magnified a couple of thousand times.................

"I ,of course knew much more than the head guy...or so I thought...and then when I took over, I had a whole 'nother' appreciation for what he did and had to do and I saw that it wasnt nearly the same looking in.."

I know.br />
Changing tires can be a bitch.
Just remember: Left loosie, rightie tightie.

well sumbitch

I read a post by the doc and actually laughed out loud......I guess miracles DO happen this time of year

happy turkeyday to you and yours.......

All joking aisde...and to you and yours as well, BLT.

and....right back atcha

The bottom line is, every president elect renigs on campaign promises. They all pander left or right for votes and govern towards the middle. Let's face it, who would vote for a candidate that campaigns in the center? Bob Dole did and he got his ass handed to him.

#72 | Posted by libertarian_gi at 2008-11-26 03:51 AM

Congrats, Lib GI, even as a relative newbie, your entire post gets the Moment of Clarity Award (tm) of the day!

Keep up the good work, and thanks for playing!

He's hit the ground running........

backwards

BTW How much money will he direct to Acorn?

"Don't worry Barack, the rich don't really pay any taxes...taxes are only for the little people"

Charlie Rangel