Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Monday, November 24, 2008

WorldNetDaily editor Joseph Farah and others continue to raise questions about Barack Obama's birth certificate, suggesting he might've been born in Kenya rather than Hawaii. "Where's the birth certificate? Incredibly, we are just nine weeks away from inaugurating the next president of the United States and millions of Americans still have citizenship eligibility questions that have never been addressed by Barack Obama and his entourage."

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What if he's NOT a natural-born citizen?

I'm not saying he isn't but, WHAT IF?

"and millions of Americans still have citizenship eligibility questions"

LOL!


www.factcheck.org

Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Fukino also was quoted by several other news organizations. The Honolulu Advertiser quoted Fukino as saying the agency had been bombarded by requests, and that the registrar of statistics had even been called in at home in the middle of the night.

Honolulu Advertiser, Nov. 1 2008: "This has gotten ridiculous," state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said yesterday. "There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy." . . . Will this be enough to quiet the doubters? "I hope so," Fukino said. "We need to get some work done."

Fukino said she has "personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."


Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.


The Obama birth certificate, held by FactCheck writer Joe Miller


Alvin T. Onaka's signature stamp


The raised seal


Blowup of text

You can click on the photos to get full-size versions, which haven't been edited in any way, except that some have been rotated 90 degrees for viewing purposes.

The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.

"Has now resulted in conspiracy theories that will plague him throughout his administration...."

Such theories would be there regardless, since the motivator is hate preying on weak minds.

Worried about birth certificates but never a sitting president who said he was judge, jury, and executioner in a time of war?

Of course.

I'm not saying he isn't but I'm not saying he is either. I'm not saying anything at all. Then why I am saying it? Dunno.

Yap Yap Yap.

I'm not saying he isn't but, WHAT IF?

#1 | POSTED BY AMERICAN1ST
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Nothing... that's what if.
If he wasn't eligible (and I believe he's not) the apologists would blame his ineligibility on racist motives and not the simple facts. The people who run this country (the loud and uniformed masses) don't care about facts, or laws, or rules anymore. They only know what they have been brainwashed to believe, and one of those brainwashings has told them that if you play the racism card ahead of time (as evidenced by some of the previous postings here) then no one in power will touch that topic with a ten foot pole. Wether their motives are just or not. So in short. No one will make any substantial push to get Obama out of office due to his ineligibility because they don't want to deal with the loud and ignorant masses.

"If he wasn't eligible (and I believe he's not)"

Why? Based on what? You've been given reasonable proof to the contrary and offered nothing concrete to support your theory thus far.

www.youtube.com

Berg's case was thrown out because the court has no standing on these matters. The Federal Election Commission rules on these things, and they obviously don't care. So we'll just have to assume that the ridiculously forged birth certificate we were given is legit, and the unanswered questions about Barracks Indonesian citizenship don't exist. Its good enough for the election commission, so I guess it's good enough for us lowly commoners.

www.youtube.com

#8 | Posted by the_nether


Let me repeat, you've offered nothing concrete to support your theory thus far. A man speculating on an error-riddled YouTube video is not proof.

Let me repeat, you've offered nothing concrete to support your theory thus far. A man speculating on an error-riddled YouTube video is not proof

Yes it is. You are not an American. Please leave

-Buffalobob

Still waiting to see this Birth Certificate. I can't wait for the lawsuits in California

Still waiting to see this Birth Certificate. I can't wait for the lawsuits in California

#12 | Posted by timbci


Please, by all means, feel free to hold your breath.


And FF for Eberly.

Thanks Ebs, that was good monday morning LOL.

Sanantonio, what exactly constitutes proof to you? Would you like me to have Sherman and Peabody come over to your place with the wayback machine and take you back to 1961 Kenya so you can watch Obama being born outside the country?

I never said I had ironclad proof. I just don't believe he's eligible to be president and there are some unanswered questions I'd like the election commission to at least act like they care about. If you don't care for them to enforce the rules set forth by the constitution, thats your prerogative, but don't get sassy with me for wanting to see the rules enforced, or at least discussed.

"Sanantonio, what exactly constitutes proof to you?"

Well, maybe something more than a heretofore unsubstantiated claim that his paternal Grandmother said she was there when he was born.

And did you know that an American citizen who has a baby outside of the country can't just bring it back into the country. There is considerable legal paperwork, including getting the baby a passport required.

And, of course, there's the little matter of his birth announcements appearing in the Honolulu newspapers. Pretty ingenious, those Obamas, foreseeing this day, and planting those fake announcements in the paper all the way from Kenya!

So It will be interesting what the court rules on the lawsuit to decertify the electoral votes from California until the birth certificate is produced

Right, every baby coming across from mexico makes sure to have his passport ready I'm sure.

And I've not seen the birth announcement, please link to that if you can.

Also, what do you make of the fact that he went to school in indonesia and to go to school there you need to be a citizen? If indeed he was an indonesian citizen, that would mean he had to became a "naturalized" citizen of the US when he came back. That again makes him ineligible.

"I'd like the election commission to at least act like they care about. If you don't care for them to enforce the rules set forth by the constitution, thats your prerogative, but don't get sassy with me for wanting to see the rules enforced, or at least discussed."

#1 - like any legal case, I'm sure they require at least a minimum burden of proof level. From everything I've seen, there is no way that can be met.

#2 - I asked you a legitimate question - on what do you base your accusation. If you consider that "sassy", that's your problem, I guess.

So It will be interesting what the court rules on the lawsuit to decertify the electoral votes from California until the birth certificate is produced

#16 | Posted by timbci

Can you link us to that lawsuit?

"And I've not seen the birth announcement, please link to that if you can."

They are in the link I already provided.


"Also, what do you make of the fact that he went to school in indonesia and to go to school there you need to be a citizen?"

Not true.

Wake up son. alan Keyes filed a lawsuit two weeks ago. Then again Obama is using his leverage with the press to silence any reporting about it

Wake up son. alan Keyes filed a lawsuit two weeks ago. Then again Obama is using his leverage with the press to silence any reporting about it

#21 | Posted by timbci

Alan Keyes! Oh my...


But surely there must be some link to it somewhere.

#1. Was he a citizen of Indonesia when he was in school there? If he was, that's considerable evidence that he is not eligible to become president.

#2. I base my belief on the fact that the birth certificate that was released by his campaign is obviously not an original and the language seems to have been modernized, and the fact that he was enrolled in school in Indonesia, which requires Indonesian citizenship, which negates his natural bon U.S. citizenship if he ever had it. Isn't that enough?

-Obama is using his leverage with the press to silence any reporting about it


More startling evidence, lmao.

"Was he a citizen of Indonesia when he was in school there? If he was, that's considerable evidence that he is not eligible to become president."

You see, that's your main problem here. "If he was..." is not evidence or proof of anything. It is speculation based on flimsy, and in some cases completely false information.


"I base my belief on the fact that the birth certificate that was released by his campaign is obviously not an original"

Of course its not an original. Its a copy, just like you would get if you requested one from your place of birth. Did you miss this...

Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Fukino also was quoted by several other news organizations. The Honolulu Advertiser quoted Fukino as saying the agency had been bombarded by requests, and that the registrar of statistics had even been called in at home in the middle of the night.

Honolulu Advertiser, Nov. 1 2008: "This has gotten ridiculous," state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said yesterday. "There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy." . . . Will this be enough to quiet the doubters? "I hope so," Fukino said. "We need to get some work done."

Fukino said she has "personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

Nevertheless, the was a lawsuit and the courts will either have to throw it out and/or hear arguments. efully, it is appealed and it goes to the 9th Circuit which will surely rule in Obama's favor. the US Supreme Court has a habit of reviewing many cases the 9th hears. It will be very entertaining

"I base my belief on the fact that the birth certificate that was released by his campaign is obviously not an original"

Like Bill Frist being able to tell that Terry Shaivo wasn't brain dead?

"and the language seems to have been modernized"

I had to order a reissued birth certificate to get my passport and guess what, it was completely different than my original in every way possible. Does that mean my second copy is not an original or is not valid?

"the fact that he was enrolled in school in Indonesia, which requires Indonesian citizenship, which negates his natural bon U.S. citizenship if he ever had it."

Do you have a link? I could probably look myself but I'm feeling lazy and want to see the quality of the information YOU are using.

It will be very entertaining

#26 | Posted by timbci


LOL - in your imagination, which the only place any of this will take place.

""the fact that he was enrolled in school in Indonesia, "
that WOULD be funny. He had duel citizenship U.S. and Kenya until 1982. Can one have three?

Do you have a link? I could probably look myself but I'm feeling lazy and want to see the quality of the information YOU are using.

#27 | Posted by jpw


I don't know about Nether's source, but mine is my partner who was born and raised in Indonesia, and who's mother was a school teacher there.

texasdarlin.wordpress.com

Just valid questions that need looking in to. Not "proof". Not indisputable. Just interesting pieces of information that I believe warrant some examination.

www.daylife.com


Did one of those googles...Ap photo...is it real?


For what is is worth...

www.factcheck.org

Would that be the same Annenberg Foundation that Ayers worked with? Just askin'...LOL!

www.snopes.com

Non-Annenberg related.


That would be the Republican-founded Annenberg Foundation, actually.

I don't know what you Obama freaks are afraid of. If he was actually born in America he has nothing to fear. Everyone gets their day in court and Alan Keyes is coming soon

"I don't know what you Obama freaks are afraid of."

Nothing. We're fearless, just like our leader.

"If he was actually born in America he has nothing to fear."

You're right.

Hans

Any comment on the Indonesian citizenship Sanantonio?

Everyone gets their day in court ...

#37 | Posted by timbci


Except those who file absurd and frivolous suits because they are sore losers.

"That would be the Republican-founded Annenberg Foundation, actually."

Damn you, Corky! Always confusing them with facts!

Hans

Hmmm.... So it is adburd and frivolous for a constitutional law professor to follow the Constitution..... I can't wait. I may even take off from work to go protest in California

So, any other time, R is bad, right, Cork? Now, they're above reproach? I'm just sayin'....


BTW, I don't believe he's NOT a citizen....just throwin' a little more lighter fluid on the coals....

...gotta make sure they're burnin' bright...

"BTW, I don't believe he's NOT a citizen....just throwin' a little more lighter fluid on the coals...."

Please do.

Hans

Apparently Obama believes he is above the law and the Constitution does not apply to him. He reminds me of Nikko Testani

Apparently Obama believes he is above the law and the Constitution does not apply to him. He reminds me of Nikko Testani"

#45 | Posted by timbci at 2008-11-24 12:22 PM | Reply | Flag: Strawman

Any comment on the Indonesian citizenship Sanantonio?

#39 | Posted by the_nether

Based on the date on the form vs. when Obama moved to Indonesia - highly unlikely. In Indonesia adopting a child does not make them an Indonesian citizen. There is also a lengthy naturalization process. There is no record of either an adoption, or naturalization.

Most likely it was put on the form to expedite enrollment. Probably similar to many children in the US getting enrolled under a step-parents name for the sake of simplicity.

I heard through the grapevine that Obama will announce next week that he is appointing former NYPD officer Nikko Testani as FBI Director

Well, that's probably as accurate as most of the rest of the stuff you post here.

You can deny all you want the rumours about Nikko Testani but there is as much evidence to support his appointment to the FBI as there is that proves Obama's "citizenship"

www.imdb.com

It's Nico Toscani.

You can deny all you want the rumours about Nikko Testani but there is as much evidence to support his appointment to the FBI as there is that proves Obama's "citizenship"

#50 | Posted by timbci


Then post it.

Nico Toscani is a fictional character. Nikko Testani is a 20 year NYPD veteran. He is a Lt. in the ESU but made his bones on Mott St.

Joe the plumber should have just asked Obama why he refuses to show anyone his birth certificate.

Mr. President-Elect show us your papers

I heard through the grapevine that Obama's first acts in office will be to release his Kenyan birth certificate, scrape the American Flag off of Air Force One, ban the Star Spangled Banner, and install a minaret on top of the Washington Monument for Muslim calls to prayer.

-TIMBeCIle

It is too bad that you are so willing to vote for a foreigner to run your country. Maybe Castro should emmigrate to America. Now that Obama set a precedent, Castro can run for Senator of NY

"It is too bad that you are so willing to vote for a foreigner to run your country."

You can sort of see the degeneration as the drinking gets heavier later in the day.

Sorry Sanatonio. I am sitting here at work. Try it sometime son

You REALLY oughtn't be drinking at work there. Might splash the hot french fry oil on yourself.

Sorry son. I work for a swiss bank but it sounds like you know your way around a fast food joint. Someday you will get a career.

Someday you will get a career.

#60 | Posted by timbci

Already had one and don't have to anymore "son".

Figures you are an old man with one foot in the grave suffering from dementia

Timbci found a girl yet? I know you have looking for a lady for quite a while.

Nope - still 11 years away from even being able to collect full SS.

This idiocy again?

A few on the 'right' seem to have to prove, beyond all doubt, that they are completely divorced from reality.

√ Obama serves on the following Senate Committees:
- Foreign Relations
- Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
- Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
- Veterans' Affairs

√ He's the President Elect.
√ He's receiving top secret briefings.
√ His birth certificate has been verified.
√ He has a U.S. passport.

Nothing like hanging out there on a invisible thread.

Timbci found a girl yet?

#63 | Posted by rastaninja


Rosy and her 5 sisters?

I used to know a real girl named Rosy Palmer. She used to get teased sooo bad in hs

Did she have 5 sisters, JA?

I went to HS with a girl names Debbie Fuchs...and she fuched a lot, too!

Son you don't have to be born in America to receive a U.S. passport or be elected to Congress.

Married with three kids. All of them go to private school with kids from the same social class. We try to keep them away from the middle class

No just a brother who was built like a brick shit house.

Timbci is full of shit.

Yav,


How did you make those check marks?

They're cool.

Rasta not my fault you are middle class. Go get a career

yeppers! Pretty cool...

"We try to keep them away from the middle class"

What a liar. YOu are trailer park trash pretending to be someone who wouldn't associate with yourself.

Timbci I work for the finest company on the planet. Wackenhut.

What a liar. YOu are trailer park trash pretending to be someone who wouldn't associate with yourself.

#77 | Posted by danni at 2008-11-24 01:49 PM | Reply


That would be like somebody that loathed themselves so much they pretended to be straight and got married and had kids!


-Sorry son. I work for a swiss bank


I wouldn't have believed it, but...

www.showbizpizza.com

Trailer park. LOL. Grew up in Colts Neck, NJ. No trailer parks in sight. Just golf courses, horse farms and 4,000 sq. foot houses

The median income for a household in the township was $109,190, and the median income for a family was $117,980. Males had a median income of $55,609 versus $38,457 for females. The per capita income for the township was $46,795.


sounds pretty middle class to me Tim

Grew up in Colts Neck, NJ. No trailer parks in sight. Just golf courses, horse farms and 4,000 sq. foot houses

grew up near Dodge City, KS. Plenty of trailer parks. Very little golf and and about 1 million head of cattle standing around waiting to be slaughtered.

Personally, I prefer my kids to spend more time around middle class kids.

Jeff, option v - if your keyboard has a option key.

Eberly I know western Kansas like the back of my hand. I have known several farmers that would be rich if you looked at them on paper. 10K acre farms with close to a million dollars of equipment sitting in a shed.

Yav,


Thanks for the tip.

My keyboard doesn't seem to have an option key. :-(

Rasta,

there are a lot of farmers who are doing well and some other business owners as well.

LOL. that is two funny.
No one has moved to Colts Neck in the last 20 years on a salary of just $100,000. Try buying a new house in Colts Neck. It is going to cost you seven figures


Yes Two funny. As in Two realities. Colts Neck is a playground for the rich

www.homes.com

My favorite part of Colts Neck besides riding my horse at Due Process farms it to go to Delicious Orchards and eat donuts when no one is looking and wash it down with apple cider right from the tap

Nice homes but there are parts of the country that cost more. The Hamptons are more and so are SF. Tim BCI you aren't as loaded as you think you are.

"Jeff, option v - if your keyboard has a option key."

Holy shit!

There's a whole 'nother keyboards' worth of characters here that I never knew existed.

Is there anything that a Mac can't do?

BTW...Timbci (and anybody else who thinks Obama was born anywhere other that Hawaii) is a fucking idiot.

"Sorry Sanatonio. I am sitting here at work. Try it sometime son"

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"I am sitting here at work. Try it sometime son"

ROTFLMAO!

Hans

Dave the Plumber,


Timbci (and anybody else who thinks Obama was born anywhere other that Hawaii) is a fucking idiot.

Agreed.

Does anyone for a moment honestly think that given the vast resources of the GOP they wouldn't have seriously brought this to daylight if it were legit?

Also, does anyone even remotely think that the Democratic party wouldn't properly vet a candidate on such a cut-and-dry constitutional issue?

I understand the call for full disclosure, but let's also apply some common sense on this.

"I am sitting here at work. Try it sometime son"


I on the other hand am sitting here in yesterday's clothes, drinking a beer and blogging away.

Working nights does have some advantages.

hahaha
timbci
is so dumb he got left back in the 1st grade

LEFT BACK IN THE FIRST GRADE!

you know how dumb you gotta be, to be left back in the 1st grade?

whats 2+2?

JELLO!!

The Hamptons ???? LOL.

I would rather live on the Jersey Shore. The Hamptons are full of commoners who get on the train for two hours packed like sardines so they can pretend they have money. It is rather pathetic. They would be better off hanging out with their kind in Belmar

Hans,

I am at work and will be here till about 6 or so. Stop by ask for me at the front desk.
WFc North Tower. 7th Floor

Tim I'm sure your boss would be interested in how you spend your company's time goldbricking all day on drudge.

"Does anyone for a moment honestly think that given the vast resources of the GOP they wouldn't have seriously brought this to daylight if it were legit?"

Especially in light of the fact that the Executive branch (Justice Department, FBI, CIA, etc.) is still under GOP ownership. Although everyone would deny it, there's little doubt that any one of those could find the "truth" and let a few select "media types" know about it. See: plausible deniability.

"I understand the call for full disclosure, but let's also apply some common sense on this."

Seems to be in short supply, JeffJ.

Hans

Rasta. Why don't you come to my office and tell him. He would be very interested in meeting you

Also, does anyone even remotely think that the Democratic party wouldn't properly vet a candidate on such a cut-and-dry constitutional issue?


I think it was mentioned but Hillary would have never let this go.

common sense can explain away many ridiculous conspiracy theories.

Rasta. Why don't you come to my office and tell him. He would be very interested in meeting you

#102 | Posted by timbci

Next time I want a whopper I will stop in and ask for manager.

#1 | Posted by American1st at 2008-11-24 09:54 AM

What if he's NOT a natural-born citizen?

I'm not saying he isn't but, WHAT IF?


Well, I suppose that the delegates "pledged" to him would vote for a viable candidate qualified to hold the office.

They actually can vote for whomsoever they please right now.

If they did vote for him, he could not hold the office, so I suppose Biden as VP, would occupy the office if they selected a candidate ineligible to serve4 for whatever reason, be it age or the circumstances in this case.

Otherwise, they could choose anybody. I think that Ms Hillary would be a good guess as a substitute officeholder.

There are intricacies, but since his father was not married to his mother as the father lacked the capacity to marry in this jurisdiction since he was party to another marriage, Obama would benefit from being a bastard as his retention of citizenship would be based solely on his mother's status with an applicable one-year period of residency. And his residence in Indonesia would not have divested him of citizenship.

I think that he'll retain his citizenship, but this may be based on his status as a bastard, which understandably is probably something he wished to avoid intruding into the public arena.

"Stop by ask for me at the front desk."

Hans (to receptionist): I'm looking for a person who goes by the name of T. Imbicile.

Receptionist: That asshole? WFc North Tower. 7th Floor. Can't miss him.

"...goldbricking all day on drudge."

Goldbricking?

At the public library??

Is that even possible???


It reeks of desperation, Hans.


Look, for the past 16 years (2 Clinton terms and 2 Bush terms) we've had an unacceptable level of hatred and vitriol directed at POTUS. Both sides share the blame.


Speaking personally, I am willing to give Obama a fair shot. As much as I disagree with his politics, how bad can he be - given how attrociosly the Republicans governed post-2000?

As much as I take joy in his shirking all of his campaign promises and change rhetoric, it's also a bit comforting. It indicates to me that as reality sets in he's willing to be pragmatic in lieu of being beholden to ideology and stubbornness. It actually lends a bit of credence to his supposedly vaunted 'judgement'.

Having said all of that, it won't deter me from needling his cult-of-personality followers. I just want to point out that much of my criticisms of Obama hasn't been directed at him personally, but of his syncophantic supporters and a media that may never again be trusted after such a blatant display of bias that we endured via their coverage of Obama.

common sense can explain away many ridiculous conspiracy theories.

#103 | Posted by eberly


Amen, Ebs.

"...with an applicable one-year period of residency."

Oops:

US Code > Title 8 > Chapter 12 > Subchapter III > Part I > 1405

A person born in Hawaii on or after August 12, 1898, and before April 30, 1900, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth. A person who was a citizen of the Republic of Hawaii on August 12, 1898, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900.

Hans

I 'd hate to see such a complication at this late date. I'd like to see the transition team get on with it. All we need is additional mess now. But then, who would be responsible? Whoever was privy to creating such a situation if it did come to pass, should be drawn and quartered on some main drag in Washington, D.C.

She knows who I am. I insist that she calls me sir and opens the door for me. I don't want to get germs on my hands from touching a door all the commoners use

#110 | Posted by Hans at 2008-11-24 02:50 PM

You're jumping the gun again, Hans. it has to do with where his mother lived for a year.


Oops?


This bears repeating:

I think it was mentioned but Hillary would have never let this go.


Huge note to all Republicans/Conservatives pursuing this:

Do you believe that Hillary, with her relentless ambition and ruthlessness would have allowed herself to be defeated for a position in which she felt entitled by a guy who wasn't constitutionally qualified???


If the question of his citizenship passed muster with Hillary Clinton, then under scrutiny, his citizenship is ironclad.

"...it has to do with where his mother lived for a year."

US Code > Title 8 > Chapter 12 > Subchapter III > Part I > 1405

A person born in Hawaii on or after August 12, 1898, and before April 30, 1900, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth. A person who was a citizen of the Republic of Hawaii on August 12, 1898, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900.

Nothing in there about where a person's mother lived.

Not a thing.

Oops.

Hans

"I 'd hate to see such a complication at this late date."


You tell 'em, Pinocchio.


If the question of his citizenship passed muster with Hillary Clinton, then under scrutiny, his citizenship is ironclad.

lets not forget hillary lovers like corky.


Citizenship Rules for People Born Outside the United States

All persons born in the United States are citizens of the U.S. (with the minor exception of certain children of diplomatic personnel). This is perhaps the only simple rule of U.S. citizenship.

Persons born abroad before May 24, 1934, to a U.S. citizen father who had resided in the U.S. at any point before the birth are considered U.S. citizens at birth. The status of the mother did not matter unless the child was born out of wedlock.

In 1940, Congress passed a law making illegitimate children born abroad to U.S. citizen women citizens if the mother had resided in the U.S. However, under this law, if the child was legitimated by the foreign national father before his or her eighteenth birthday, the child would not be considered a citizen. The U.S. citizen parent must have resided in the U.S. prior to the birth. This residence could have been in the U.S. itself, or in certain U.S. territories.

The rules changed for people born between May 24, 1934, and January 13, 1941. In 1934, Congress passed a law allowing U.S. citizen parents, regardless of their gender, to pass citizenship to their children born abroad. If both parents were citizens, only one was required to have resided in the U.S., and as with the previous law, there was no required length of time that the parent must have resided in the U.S. Illegitimate children born aboard between 1934 and 1941 became citizens under the general provision.

The rules changed again for people born between January 14, 1941, and December 23, 1952. When one parent was a citizen and the other a foreign national, the rules changed substantially. To pass on citizenship, the citizen parent must have resided in the U.S. for at least 10 years before the birth of the child, and at least five of those years had to be after the parent turned 16. Children born out of wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother who met the residence requirements were automatically citizens. For a child born out of wedlock to a U.S. citizen father, to obtain U.S. citizenship the child must have been legitimated before the age of 21.

The rules changed again for people born between December 23, 1952, and November 13, 1986. When one parent was a U.S. citizen and the other a foreign national, the U.S. citizen parent must have resided in the U.S. for a total of 10 years prior to the birth of the child, with five of the years after the age of 14. Children born out of wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother were U.S. citizens if the mother was a resident in the U.S. for a period of one year prior to the birth of the child. Children born out of wedlock to a U.S. citizen father acquired U.S. citizenship only if legitimated before turning 21.

For those born on or after November 14, 1986, children born to one citizen parent and one foreign national obtain citizenship at birth if the citizen parent resided in the U.S. for five years before the birth, with two of those years after the age of 14. Children born out of wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother will be U.S. citizens if the mother resided in the U.S. for one year prior to the birth of the child. Children born out of wedlock to a U.S. citizen father will acquire U.S. citizenship if the following conditions are met: There is an established blood relationship between the father and the child. The father was a U.S. citizen at the time of the birth. The father has agreed to financially support the child until he or she is 18. Before the child is 18 he or she is legitimated, or the father acknowledges paternity in a document signed under oath. While these are general rules, Congress has continually amended and revised many laws relating to citizenship, particularly those dealing with the requirements for retention of citizenship. If a person believes that he or she has a claim to U.S. citizenship, the person should consult with an attorney for a full examination of that possibility.

I think that this is the applicable excerpt, Hans.

The rules changed again for people born between December 23, 1952, and November 13, 1986. When one parent was a U.S. citizen and the other a foreign national, the U.S. citizen parent must have resided in the U.S. for a total of 10 years prior to the birth of the child, with five of the years after the age of 14. Children born out of wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother were U.S. citizens if the mother was a resident in the U.S. for a period of one year prior to the birth of the child. Children born out of wedlock to a U.S. citizen father acquired U.S. citizenship only if legitimated before turning 21.

"Citizenship Rules for People Born Outside the United States"

Oops:

US Code > Title 8 > Chapter 12 > Subchapter III > Part I > 1405

A person born in Hawaii on or after August 12, 1898, and before April 30, 1900, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth. A person who was a citizen of the Republic of Hawaii on August 12, 1898, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900.

How current is this?

Hans

"The rules changed again for people born between December 23, 1952, and November 13, 1986."

Oops:

US Code > Title 8 > Chapter 12 > Subchapter III > Part I > 1405

How current is this?

Title 8 of the US Code as currently published by the US Government reflects the laws passed by Congress as of Jan. 3, 2007, and it is this version that is published here.

Hans

"The rules changed again for people born between December 23, 1952, and November 13, 1986."

The rules? You mean the Citizenship Rules for People Born Outside the United States?

Those rules?

Oops:

US Code > Title 8 > Chapter 12 > Subchapter III > Part I > 1405

A person born in Hawaii on or after August 12, 1898, and before April 30, 1900, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth. A person who was a citizen of the Republic of Hawaii on August 12, 1898, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900.

Hans

Hans,


You are a link machine!

"You are a link machine!"

;0) Thanks, JeffJ (I think!)

Hans

Huge note to all Republicans/Conservatives pursuing this:

Do you believe that Hillary, with her relentless ambition and ruthlessness would have allowed herself to be defeated for a position in which she felt entitled by a guy who wasn't constitutionally qualified???


If the question of his citizenship passed muster with Hillary Clinton, then under scrutiny, his citizenship is ironclad.

Don't forget, Phil Berg is a Hillary supporter. I would imagine it was made clear to Hillary when she met with Obama during Bilderberg (Uhh, I mean the meeting in Diane Feinstein's kitchen), it was made clear for her to back off and she would be properly compensated. Why else would he select someone diametrically opposed to his position on foreign policy? Unfortunately for Hillary, Mr. Berg has an unhealthy obsession with the truth and justice.

-I don't want to get germs on my hands from touching a door all the commoners use


This clown thinks he's Thurston Howell III.

"Unfortunately for Hillary, Mr. Berg has an unhealthy obsession with the truth and justice."

Truth and justice?

FF for you.

Hans

I would have voted for Hillary. She is hot

I just asked my boss for time off so I can go support alan Keye's in Cali

worldnetdaily.com


"Obama's half-sister, Maya Soetoro, has named two different Hawaii hospitals where Obama could have been born, while a video posted on YouTube features Obama's Kenyan grandmother Sarah claiming to have witnessed Obama's birth in Kenya."

There's a link to a youtube video. I haven't checked it yet. Does his grandmother actually say he was born in Kenya?

If this is attested to, then who's telling the truth?

"If this is attested to, then who's telling the truth?

#130 | Posted by Petrous"

The only thing she actually says on the video is "Barack is a son of this village". The rest is wild extrapolation.

So when push comes to shove are you really ready to jump in on the side of ALAN KEYES vs. statements from Hawaiian officials, birth announcements from the newspapers, and actual photos of the birth certificate.

TIMBeCIle I can see but otherwise, be realistic.

"Would that be the same Annenberg Foundation that Ayers worked with? Just askin'...LOL!"

yes the same Republican Annenberg that worked for and supported Ronald Reagan!

as for that birth certificate:
what we need to do is file charges against State of Hawai and both Hawaii newspapers. The state sent fake certificates to Obama and should be held accountable. the 2 hawai newspapers used a time machine to print Obama's birth notice in 1961. Also Hawaii probably generated that fake death certificate for Elvis. The US State dept issued a passport plus all those evil gov agencies that vetted Obama and cleared him for top secret info need to be charged. Do you realize that Obama is currently being briefed with top secret info. What an incompetent security we have that cleared Obama with a fake birth certificate. The truth will come out, Obama's birth on planet Krypton will become evident. (Elvis is Alive, that was a fake death certificate)

this only has value to the ignorant right!

Maybe they can rush through a work visa.

Nothing. We're fearless, just like our leader.


Hans

It just doesn't get much cornier than that. Ohhhh....you're such the tough guy.

There is clearly a problem with Obama's citizenship problem. It is something that is quick and easy to establish yet he keeps dragging this out with his silence especially since anyone can get a Hawaiian birth certificate even if you were never born there because of the simple process they have in the state. The certificate posted on Obama's website never mentioned a hospital or doctor. He only had a certifiation of live birth and not a birth certificate.

His own grandmother states that Obama was born in Mombosa, Kenya.

"The Washington state case also alleges, "Wayne Madsen, Journalist with Online Journal as a contributing writer and published an article on June 9, 2008, stating that a research team went to Mombassa, Kenya, and located a Certificate Registering the birth of Barack Obama, Jr. at a Kenya Maternity Hospital, to his father, a Kenyan citizen and his mother, a U.S. citizen.

When Jerome Corsi, senior WND investigator reporter, recently traveled to Kenya to investigate several questions about the candidate, he was told the records were sealed and would not be made available."
www.wnd.com

What if he's NOT a natural-born citizen?
I'm not saying he isn't but, WHAT IF?

----------------

Yes. The uppidy nigger has managed to fool the FBI, CIA, and NSA.

You are powerful fucking stupid dude...

Who said the FBI, CIA or the NSA checked into his birth. The CIA is not chartered to do investigations within the U.S. and the NSA is primarily signals intelligence whether it be by phone, internet, etc. The FBI would be the only agency that would look into this and likely the DOJ would only do so with probable cause. If one of these civil suits prevails, it is a sure bet the DOJ will investigate

Alan Keyes will be successful in his lawsuit in California. He has God on his side and millions of dineros

The problem is that the original "vault" certificate setting forth the hospital/doctor's signature has not been produced. This is of import because Hawaii from 1911 to 1972 permitted people to register their births (after the age of one) by affidavit of the mother. Many people in the Hawaiian islands were born at home and had no official birth certificate and this is the reason the statute was enacted. However, in Obama's case, the statute might have been utilized to ensure that he had american citizenship - even if he was actually born elsewhere. The problem is that the Constitution requires a "natural born" citizen for the office of President. Thus, for instance, the Governor of California, who is a US citizen, born in Germany cannot assume the office of President. If Obama's birth in Hawaii is proved to be incorrect, then he cannot assume the office of president.

Mr. Obama could put this entire matter to rest and stop all of these ridiculous lawsuits if he would just produce the "vault" certificate. As it stands now, it is a mess. Also, if you believe that Obama would not do this - think of John Edwards (love child), Gov. McGreevy (homosexual) and Gov. Spitzer (hooker scandal) - they sought political office despite knowing that they never would have been elected if the public knew of these problems. Again, Mr. Obama could end all of this grief - if he would just produce his "vault" certificate. Why doesn't he?

"There is clearly a problem with Obama's citizenship problem."

No, there's not.

And anyone who believes otherwise is a complete fucking idiot, deserving of nothing more than ridicule and scorn.

Like you, Utastaffinfection.

"Why doesn't he?"

Just to give morons like you something to occupy their tiny little minds.

#139 | Posted by anonymous123

Well said all around. I do not believe Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen. This is too easy to prove and he is avoiding it like Liberace avoided women.

Can't wait for Obama to be thrown out of the White House for this. The lib Democrats will be wiped out of national and state power for several elections to come. I know in my heart that B. Hussein Obama is a fraud.


I just asked my boss for time off so I can go support alan Keye's in Cali

#129 | Posted by timbci at 2008-11-24 03:59 PM | Reply | Flag:


Timbecile,

I truly hope that you get a bunch of germs from touching doorknobs that commoners have used and the any mode of transit that you choose to deliver you to CA to support Keyes has massive mechanical failure at it's apogee and all on board suffer fiery fates. This scenario would only be made more satisfying if UTASTAFF was sitting on your lap at during the occurence.

First of all,

Having or getting dual citizenship in another country while being a natural born citizen of this country does NOT (as far as I know) negate your citizenship here. I would accept proof of the contrary if you have it, but it will be scrutinized.

Secondly, being born in Kenya has absolutely NO bearing on his U.S. citizenship status as long as his mother was still a U.S. citizen when he was born. If SHE was then HE is.... that simple.

His birth certificate would prove absolutely nothing outside of disproving out of hand the claims that he isn't a citizen if the Hawaii birth certificate is valid.

To prove he isn't a valid citizen qualified to be President you would have to prove that he was born outside of the U.S. with neither parent being a U.S. citizen.

So far I have seen nobody that has tried to disprove his mother's citizenship at the time of his birth.

"I know in my heart that B. Hussein Obama is a fraud."

Like Ron White says: "Ya can't fix stupid."

I know in my heart that B. Hussein Obama is a fraud.

#142 | Posted by utastaff at 2008-11-24 05:17 PM | Reply | Flag


That's due to the fact that as a bus driver in Mormon country your carbon monoxide levels have reached such levels as to render you too stupid to live.

Christ on a crutch, even MoomanFL thinks Utastaff and Timbecile are idiots. Holy crap, that's a distinction that I'd not have expected.

Osama Obama was most definitely not born in the U.S. He is from Kenya. He is as American as Desmond Tutu

Timbecile,

You forgot to say..




FACTEROO IN MY UNDEROOS

Obama requested the State of Hawaii to send a certificate last June, Hawaii sent one and Obama posted it on his web site, many morons claim it's fake. if so, then we must file charges aganst the State of Hawaii for sending forgeries, how dare they do that. Just like the fake death certificate the Hawaii sent out on Elvis. Our entire Government is in on this cover up, no one can prove he was born in Kenya, but there is ample evidence he was borh on Krypton, he even admitted that himself. can an alien from Krypton be sworn in as prseident. we will know on Jan 20, but those "he was born in Kenya" people will go to their graves with this ignorance buried in their brains.

besides being laughed at, what good are these doubters?

Accept the truth. You President-Elect is a foreigner like Mick Jagger

Christ on a crutch, even MoomanFL thinks Utastaff and Timbecile are idiots. Holy crap, that's a distinction that I'd not have expected.

That tells me you haven't been paying attention. I am also NOT a Bush fan (not an enemy but certainly not a fan), I don't like the Patriot Act (never did and was vocal about it), and I think all current incumbents should be removed and replaced.... ALL of them.

Now, in future... try to keep up.

/snark

In all seriousness, yes I am a conservative, but don't think I am a blind partisan. I am a Republican because of my beliefs... I don't have my beliefs because I am Republican. There is a HUGE distinction between the two.

"...even MoomanFL thinks Utastaff and Timbecile are idiots."

Aside from being idiots, the most likely scenario is that they're just common trolls who think they're being clever.

"I think therefore I know"
It is quite obvious that Osama Obama is a Kenyan. That is why Kenya is so happy. It is only a matter of time before Kenya becomes an american territory

Love the difference between a real Certificate of Live Birth versus Obama's handjob.

www.freerepublic.com

"He has God on his side and millions of dineros"

God voted for McCain in this last election.

See how far that got him.

Hans

"www.freerepublic.com"

Oh, now that's an unimpeachable source [/snark]

Hans

Here's the kicker: no amount of evidence will ever be enough for these people. We show them a US birth certificate, they say it's forged. Chiyome Fukino and Alvin Onaka verify the claim that he has a US birth certificate, and they ignore it.

What evidence do they offer as a counterargument? This:
texasdarlin.wordpress.com

A picture of a registration form from indonesia which doesn't even bear Obama's name. They just claim that is't a false name, and move on.

What thinkers.

Obama's Certificate of Live Birth is a complete fraud and it is obvious. The certificate does not list a hospital, doctor, weight of the baby or such information normally found such documents. Further the "race" is listed as "African". I was born in the 1960's like Obama and my race was listed as "Negro" on my birth certificate.

Obama needs to release a Vault copy of his birth certificate not the computer generated one IF HE CAN which I don't believe he can otherwise he would have done so. It's just so obvious that Obama is a fraud.

"It is quite obvious that Osama Obama is a Kenyan."

So obvious that he easily lost the election.

"Osama Obama was most definitely not born in the U.S. He is from Kenya. He is as American as Desmond Tutu"

So definite that he easily lost the election.

"I do not believe Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen. This is too easy to prove and he is avoiding it like Liberace avoided women."

So easy to prove that he was decisively defeated by Clinton, McCain, etc. they too easily proved it.

"There is clearly a problem with Obama's citizenship problem."

So clear that he didn't even make it out of the starting gate in the primaries.

"The problem is that the original "vault" certificate setting forth the hospital/doctor's signature has not been produced."

Such a problem that Obama didn't even bother to run for president.

"There is clearly a problem with Obama's citizenship problem."

Well said, utastaff.

"Obama's Certificate of Live Birth is a complete fraud and it is obvious."

Such a fraud and so obvious that Obama....

Wow! No wonder President-elect John Sidney McCain had nothing to worry about.

Hans

There is also an ongoing contention that Obama attended Columbia as an international student of Kenyan citizenship, and that is why he has insisted that his records be sealed there too. Who knows and at this point who cares.

My opinion is that the birth & citizenship question should have been pushed by his opponents and addressed in a conclusive way by the FEC prior to the election, and was not. Obama has been elected and he is the president as of Jan 20th. It does the nation no good to reverse the election of a few weeks ago, and it certainly does us no good to have Joe Biden running the country.

Even though some may think he got away with this, it is time to move on.

"Obama needs to release a Vault copy of his birth certificate "

he don't need to do anything, he has been vetted and also issued a US passport, it's over, go invent some other bull crap!

so you belive Hawaii is sending a "fraud" certificate, wow Hawaii in on the scam. at what point do you just go away?

Newsflash I know illegal immigrants who have U.S. passports. Not that hard with the right connections and money.

#161 | Posted by NappyHeadedHo


Perfectly stated!

"Perfectly stated!"

No, it wasn't. It is another "there's massive problems and he got away with it and there's nothing we can do about it" bullshit explanation.

Either Obama is a US citizen (which he is), or he isn't. All this "noise" ("There is also an ongoing contention that Obama...") falls into the "smokestacks on the moon" terrority:

People see what they want to see in spite of common sense or logic.

Hardly "perfectly stated."

Hans

Hans,


It was the 'Let's move-on' sentiment coupled with the justification behind said sentiment that drove my comment.

Lookin' like someone set off a bullshit grenade in here....Hahahahah!!

"It was the 'Let's move-on' sentiment ..."

Understand, JeffJ. But it was accompanied with the "there's massive problems and he got away with it and there's nothing we can do about it" proviso.

During the eight years of the Clinton administration there was an undercurrent with the anti- (hate) Clinton VRWC: Clinton didn't get 50% of the popular vote so he's an illegitimate president. Of course, after 2000 that was dropped (for obvious reasons), but it was present during his administration.

This is just laying the ground work for more of the same.

Hans

Hans --
True, I am not convinced Obama is clean on this question -- which, in my view, is somewhat of his own doing in that he stonewalled on it for so long that any response would ultimately be inadequate -- but I believe the time has passed for anyone to challenge his election to the presidency on these grounds, and I see any attempts to address it now as having more downside than benefit. That is my perspective, which I attempted to state. Your response seems to indicate that I failed to state your POV on this, so that makes it imperfect. What would you have me do? Is your hope that everyone on here simply cuts and pastes Hans postings and submits them as their own so that we're all on the same page? You're on the wrong website. Try Kos.

"Lookin' like someone set off a bullshit grenade in here....Hahahahah!!"

Don't be too proud of yerself...you know what they say about pride....

"which, in my view, is somewhat of his own doing in that he stonewalled on it for so long"

He did no such thing. That's you seeing "smokestacks on the moon."

Hans

Obama's Birth Certificate Verified By Hawaii Officials
Health Department Receives Multiple Requests For Copies
POSTED: 7:39 pm EDT November 1, 2008
UPDATED: 8:16 pm EDT November 1, 2008
HONOLULU -- Hawaii's state's Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate, KITV reported.
The state has received multiple requests for a copy of Obama's birth certificate. State law does not allow officials to release the birth certificate of a person to someone outside of the family.
There were rumors that Obama was born in Kenya, where his father is from. The Constitution requires that the president be a natural born citizen of the U.S.


While many sites and news organizations have released copies provided by the Obama campaign, the rumors have persisted.
"There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama's official birth certificate. State law (Hawaii Revised Statutes 338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record," DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.
State officials said Saturday they have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.
"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," Fukino said

"You're on the wrong website."

Try freeper dot com.

Hans


Clinton didn't get 50% of the popular vote so he's an illegitimate president. Of course, after 2000 that was dropped (for obvious reasons), Hans

Only to be picked up by the "Bush is illegitimate" crowd in the 2000 and 2004 elections... Your position on this is disingenuous and blindly one-sided.

I don't know what to expect, and I did not drink the Kool-Aid, so it will take me some time. I am trying to take a deep breath and give Obama a chance to prove himself. I stand by my belief that we accept the elction results and move forward. Guys like you make it pretty hard.

"I am trying to take a deep breath and give Obama a chance to prove himself."

Of course you are:

True, I am not convinced Obama is clean on this question ...

Posted by NappyHeadedHo at 2008-11-24 06:39 PM

-----

There is also an ongoing contention that Obama attended Columbia as an international student of Kenyan citizenship...Even though some may think he got away with this...

Posted by NappyHeadedHo at 2008-11-24 06:06 PM

Whew!

Thank goodness you're going to "give Obama a chance to prove himself".

Hate to see what you'd post if you weren't.

Hans


WorldNutDaily?


Please! No need to even bother reading the article. That site is based on fear and fantasy alone.


I LOVE to see republicans throwing good money after bad in pursuit of their pipe dream lawsuits.

Keep wasting what little cash you have!


So THIS is where the conspiracy whack-jobs are hanging out these days.

Pathetic moonbeam asswipes.

Repeat after me: PRESIDENT Obama.

"Osama Obama was most definitely not born in the U.S. "

"I am not convinced Obama is clean on this question "

Hey, Einsteins, then how do you explain away the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspaper?

"How do you explain away the birth announcement...?"

I've seen the more honest right-wing bloggers thrash their less honest brethren with just that point.

"Hey, Einsteins, then how do you explain away the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspaper?"

Watch out, Danforth. Their heads will explode.

Hans

"I've seen the more honest right-wing bloggers thrash their less honest brethren with just that point."

But think about it...if he comes from a family who can see and plan 47 years into the future...don't we need someone with those genes?!?

The birth announcements:

Star Bulletin

Honolulu Advertiser

I'm sure the loonies will say these are fake. They just "inserted" the Obama's right in there with the "real" announcements. Then again, there's the address, so Obama's parents could be checked out from that alone.

"I'm sure the loonies will say these are fake..."

I'm sure they will, ignoring all the while that the possibility one or more people might have an original copy in their attics.

OMG!

This is like 8 or 9 times this story has come up here!


Stop!


With all due respect for Joseph Farah--he should take his cute Lebanese (or is it Armenian?) butt over to where Factcheck touched the damn birth certificate and touch it himself.


BTW--IF--(and I find nothing to show BO was not born in HI), BO were found to not be a citizen--he would be removed from office.

Joe Biden would be POTUS.

#15 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-11-24 11:13 AM

"Sanantonio, what exactly constitutes proof to you?"

Well, maybe something more than a heretofore unsubstantiated claim that his paternal Grandmother said she was there when he was born.

What do you mean by unsubstantiated claim? Do you mean the claim that she made the statement that she was present at his birth in Kenya is unsubstantiated? Isn't there a videotape of an interview with her? Or do you mean her claim that she was present at his birth in Kenya is unsubstantiated, that her statement may be untrue?
And did you know that an American citizen who has a baby outside of the country can't just bring it back into the country. There is considerable legal paperwork, including getting the baby a passport required.

A child born abroad of legal permanent resident parents may enter the U.S. without a visa provided the child is accompanied by a parent upon that parent's initial return to the U.S. within two years of the child's birth with documentation showing the parent-child relationship.
And, of course, there's the little matter of his birth announcements appearing in the Honolulu newspapers. Pretty ingenious, those Obamas, foreseeing this day, and planting those fake announcements in the paper all the way from Kenya!28. What documentation is required of a child born outside the U.S. of legal permanent residents?

Er, those weren't hospital birth announcements, those issuing from the hospital. Those were notations in a local newspaper after his mother's return to Hawaii.

The purported birth certificate" was not a birth certificate with numeration on it. It was a different form of document.

Why isn't a copy of a nmbered dated original Certificate of Birth provided? If it exists, why make an issue of it?

Some of the law applicable at the time of Obama's birth, is cited on this thread at:
#118 | Posted by Johnson at 2008-11-24 02:57 PM, and
#119 | Posted by Johnson at 2008-11-24 02:59 PM.

It may be that the crux of the problem is that Obama was not born in Hawaii, but could still qualify as "native born" for purposes of serving as President. Quite possibly, he doesn't want the distinction of being the first President, who must prove he is a bastard since that may be necessary for him to qualify as "native born."

So many "firsts."

#162 | Posted by onna at 2008-11-24 06:09 PM

so you belive Hawaii is sending a "fraud" certificate, wow Hawaii in on the scam. at what point do you just go away?

Hawaii has never issued a copy of his actual numbered and dated birth certificate. What gives? Obama can order it issued. Why hasn't he?

#25 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-11-24 11:33 AM

"I base my belief on the fact that the birth certificate that was released by his campaign is obviously not an original"

Of course its not an original. Its a copy, just like you would get if you requested one from your place of birth. Did you miss this...

Not at all. the copy was not a compy of a numbered dated birth certificate, but of another document.
Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Is it a Certificate of Live Birth? What does it say? Is it the numbered dated document? What is the place of birth given? Is it a hospital in Hawaii? Who was the attending physician?
Honolulu Advertiser, Nov. 1 2008: "This has gotten ridiculous," state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said yesterday. "There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy." . . . Will this be enough to quiet the doubters? "I hope so," Fukino said. "We need to get some work done."

Yes in deed. This could all be put to rest by issuing a nubered dated copy of the actual Birth Certificate.

Put the blame where it's due. Put the blame on the people who have not provided a copy of the actual Birth Certificate.

Fukino said she has "personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

Is Fukina a partisan, who is parsing her words? What was released was not a copy of a Certificate of Live Birth attesting to Obama's "birth in Hawaii." Where does the so-called certificate to which Fukina alludes say Obama was born? Fukina doesn't attest to that. She has studiously avoided stating that the document shows his place of birth as Hawaii.

"Hawaii has never issued a copy of his actual numbered and dated birth certificate. What gives? Obama can order it issued. Why hasn't he?"
Yes it has, certificate date June 2007 wih certificate No 151 1961 - 010641
clearly seen in the scanned document
www.factcheck.org

go ahead keep on being dumb!

there is absolute no way to convince an idiot,is there? No matter what Obama or the State of Hawaii does nor the fact that every court case to date has been thrown out.

Obama will be sworn in om Jan 20, you idiots can continue to invent garbage stories untill his 2 terms are over.

the type of ignorance you people show is not cureable!

who must prove he is a bastard since that may be necessary for him to qualify as "native born."

So many "firsts."

#186 | Posted by Johnson at 2008-11-24 09:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

How is Obama a 'bastard'?

His parents were married.


#189 | Posted by onna at 2008-11-24 09:59 PM

Yes it has, certificate date June 2007 wih certificate No 151 1961 - 010641

clearly seen in the scanned document

www.factcheck.org

go ahead keep on being dumb!


Okay.

This is not a Birth Certificate, rather it is a Certification of Birth, and among the information omitted as the site notes is:

The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns.

A birth certificate also includes:

The name of the hospital.
The attending physician.
The names and occupations of the parents.

How easy it would be to have the numbered "Birth Certifiate, not a numbered Certification of Birth, which is a currently issued number of that contemperaneous document and unrelated to the sequence in which the Birth Certificate was originally issued.

Obama's paternal grandmother's reports of her eyewitness experience of being present at his birth in Kenya is "a lie?" What is her motivation?

Obama's paternal grandmother's reports of her eyewitness experience of being present at his birth in Kenya is "a lie?" What is her motivation?
this is an internet rumor, listen to it and see what she really says, idiot!

Wow! They issued a certificate marked 2007!

Just a mere 41 years after the fact! Of course, all Democrats believe this like it was Christ being reborn! The "Coming of the Messiach"

Too bad the bastard's father hadn't divorced his first few wives ...

#191 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2008-11-24 10:48 PM

who must prove he is a bastard since that may be necessary for him to qualify as "native born."

So many "firsts."

#186 | Posted by Johnson at 2008-11-24 09:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

How is Obama a 'bastard'?

His parents were married.


His father and mother went through a ceremony. To be married each party must have the capacity to contract a marriage under the laws of the jurisidiction where the ceremony occurred.

Bigamous marriages are not legal in any of the United States. Where were Obama's parents married.

Oops. There was an impediment that caused the father to lack the capacity to contract a marriage.

Let's see, what could deprive the father of the capacity to contract a marriage? Hmm. Was he old enough? If he were three years of age, for example, he couldn't marry as there are age requirements. It seems that the father met the age requirement.

What other bar could there be. Aha! To marry, you need to be an unmarried person. You can "have been" married previously if that marriage was terminated by death of a spouse, or by legal proceedings, such as annulment or divorce. Hmm. Let's see. Was Obama's father an unmarried person at the time he and Obama's mother went through the ceremony? No. The father was married to a woman in Kenya. So, since he was married at the time of the ceremony to Obama's mother, there was no marriage between Obama's mother and father. Obama's mother was unmarried at the time of his birth. A person born to an unmarried woman is a bastard. Ergo, Obama is a bastard, the first acknowledged bastard President of the United States.

Just curious. Is there any record of Obama's mother securing a divorce from her purported husband, Obama, before she undertook to marry her Indonesian spouse, Sotero? Did she know the "marriage" to Obama was just a farce, play acting? Or if she did not divorce Obama's father, did her failure to procure a divorce indicate that she knew that she was never married to Obama's father?

Has anybody viewed the "divorce papers of Obama's mother and his father? What were the allegations contained there?

I don't know specifically when or where, but they were reputedly divorced in 1964.

It'd be interesting to view the allegations and contents of those public documents. It's quite remarkable that even the scandal sheets haven't accessed and reported that material.

I believe Obama is being used as a wedge to get his foot in the door, get the law changed, and then Awnold can be our president.

The B.O.Piper played you gullible dullards like a violin....what'd we get? another minority moving into government housing....

...and this from the political party that preaches "fair" all the time. Can't win an election the legit way, so, it's use every dirty tactic to steal one.

You'd think if PE Obama's citizenship was a question, well, duh, why wasn't this issue addressed prior to his taking his seat in the Senate?

Well, Recruds, you got an answer on that one?

Of course not, you and logic don't equate.

The hilarious thing is that these whack job conspiracists think that this is taken at all seriously by rational people. lol

"Some of the law applicable at the time of Obama's birth, is cited on this thread at:
#118 | Posted by Johnson at 2008-11-24 02:57 PM, and
#119 | Posted by Johnson at 2008-11-24 02:59 PM."

It isn't "applicable law," and he knows it. I already debunked it earlier in this thread:

#110 | Posted by Hans at 2008-11-24 02:50 PM
#115 | Posted by Hans at 2008-11-24 02:56 PM
#120 | Posted by Hans at 2008-11-24 03:01 PM
#121 | Posted by Hans at 2008-11-24 03:04 PM
#122 | Posted by Hans at 2008-11-24 03:06 PM
Apparently, Johnson seems incapable of handling the truth. As you can see I've already corrected him, several times.

What he's foisting off as "applicable law" is the law pertaining to Citizenship Rules for People Born Outside the United States.

Oops again:

US Code > Title 8 > Chapter 12 > Subchapter III > Part I > 1405

A person born in Hawaii on or after August 12, 1898, and before April 30, 1900, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth. A person who was a citizen of the Republic of Hawaii on August 12, 1898, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900.

As you can see I've already corrected him, several times. After my last chastisement he ran away because he knew he was bested.

Hans

"The hilarious thing is that these whack job conspiracists think that this is taken at all seriously by rational people. lol"

LOL, Midiman. They seem to think that certitude equals truth. Sort of like, well, no, exactly like George W. Bush.

Amazing how people with millions of dollars at their disposal, some even holding (or near) the levers of power in the federal government, people like Hillary Clinton and John McCain, couldn't pin this on President-elect Barack Hussein Obama.

But the people here, by golly darn, they have him nailed! No doubt whatsoever. They should make those phone calls NOW, to someone, ANYONE... before it is too late!

And after they'd slayed President-elect Barack Hussein Obama they need to then turn their attention to those elusive smokestacks on the moon. No question that their certitude will prove those "real" as well.

LOL!

Hans

This kind of thing is what the right should be doing.

Uncovering "the truth" takes time, money and energy.

I can't think of a better way for them to spend their resources.

Just so long as they aren't failing to govern our country anymore, I'm happy.

Asked and answered . . . how many times now? I've lost count.

For some strange reason, Barack Obama doesn't look very worried.

What I have noticed, however, is that this election has brought out the worst in our right-wing chin droolers. They seem totally incapable of accepting the results and continue to grasp at reeds.

I can't even image what twisted thoughts are bouncing around inside their head. It must be terrible.





Further the "race" is listed as "African". I was born in the 1960's like Obama and my race was listed as "Negro" on my birth certificate.

#159 | Posted by utastaff

www.factcheck.org

Update, August 26: We received responses to some of our questions from the Hawaii Department of Health. They couldn't tell us anything about their security paper, but they did answer another frequently-raised question: why is Obama's father's race listed as "African"? Kurt Tsue at the DOH told us that father's race and mother's race are supplied by the parents, and that "we accept what the parents self identify themselves to be." We consider it reasonable to believe that Barack Obama, Sr., would have thought of and reported himself as "African." It's certainly not the slam dunk some readers have made it out to be.

What do you mean by unsubstantiated claim? Do you mean the claim that she made the statement that she was present at his birth in Kenya is unsubstantiated? Isn't there a videotape of an interview with her? Or do you mean her claim that she was present at his birth in Kenya is unsubstantiated, that her statement may be untrue?

#186 | Posted by Johnson


I mean there is no video of her saying she was present at his birth in Kenya, only a "report" that she said it. There IS video of her saying how proud she is of him, that he stays in contact with her, and that he is considered "a son of this village".

Just like during the recent campaign...the losers have nothing.
Please, change the tune.
Or get some new lyrics.
You idiots are completely marginalizing yourselves.



Oh, no, keep it up.
Puhlease.

#186 | Posted by Johnson

Vicodin or Johnson?
Johnson or Vicodin?
Decisions, decisions, decisions.
Sheesh.

This just in....Barack Obama is an alien from the planet sccc;ppoijhakhkl;'. Therefore constitutionally he cannot serve as president.
Several witnesses actually were present at his hatching.

Not only that Danni, but his parents Kang and Kodos were not even married.

This just in....Barack Obama is an alien from the planet sccc;ppoijhakhkl;'
Posted by danni

Are you sure he's not from Uranus?

Obama is not an immigrant?....He wasn't born in Kenya?


Not according to the Kenyan ambassdor:
www.youtube.com

...nor according to Bill Richardson:
www.youtube.com


Naaaaaah, Obama's US citizenship is air tight...no doubt about it!

I hear FOX is planning a special where Geraldo will open Obama's secret vault to find his real Kenyan birth certificate along with the "Whitey" tape and his Manchurian brain washing equipment.

If Obama's citizenship is in question regarding the definition of "native", then McCain must face the same quesion, having been born in Panama. Ironic that this election was a two-fer. But the Democrats do not wage these dirty fights, which undermine the ability of the Executive Branch to function, by wasting their limited resources.

The glue that bonds the far right is that winning (aka legalized stealing) is everything. They would rather destroy the country, than lose. The case brought against Clinton is proof positive of the right's distain for general prosperity. They want privatized profits and socialized risk, but only for themselves. At least Democrats will not stoop this low.

Nixon trashed McGovern for wanting to lose the Vietnam War even though McGovern flew multiple suicidal bombing missions over Germany and pulled his crew through a safe crash landing. Nixon avoided the service and McGovern thought it unseemly to bring up his valient military record.

The glue that bonds the far right is that winning (aka legalized stealing) is everything. They would rather destroy the country, than lose....At least Democrats will not stoop this low.

#214 | Posted by nutcase

I'm sure the Al Franken campaing would agree!

Wow. If I understand Johnson and others, contemporary newspaper accounts offer no sort of real evidence on this issue.

Silliness is extremely egocentric. And, after the first nine go-arounds on a silly topic, damned dull.

"Naaaaaah, Obama's US citizenship is air tight...no doubt about it!"

And yet...people with millions of dollars at their disposal, some even holding (or near) the levers of power in the federal government, people like Hillary Clinton and John McCain, couldn't pin this on President-elect Barack Hussein Obama.

But the people here, by golly darn, they have him nailed! No doubt whatsoever. They should make those phone calls NOW, to someone, ANYONE... before it is too late!

And after they've slayed President-elect Barack Hussein Obama they need to then turn their attention to those elusive smokestacks on the moon. No question that their certitude will prove those "real" as well.

LOL!

Hans

"I'm sure the Al Franken campaing would agree!"

Oh cuz that evil Al Franken believes all the votes should be counted. OMG! What a communist!
BTW, it will soon be Senator Al Franken!
BTW, it will soon be a FILIBUSTER PROOF MAJORITY!

Keep barking up that tree, sillies.

it is often said that right wingers are intellectually challanged, based on many of the posts here it would seem they are well on their way of proving that true. they will never abandon their "born in Kenya" garbage, it's all they have left. Berg will continue to press this as a fund raiser for his lifestyle. go ahead righties keep it up!


it is often said that right wingers are intellectually challanged...

#220 | Posted by onna at 2008-11-25 09:45 AM | Reply


You're a giant bag of stupid.

Obama loves Israel. So why doesn't Israel love Obama?

Claim: Obama's "birth certificate" forged with sister Maya's original
By Israel Insider staff August 5, 2008

Independent analysts, working separately, claim to have discovered that the original Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth used in the fabrication of the Barack Obama "birth certificate" belongs to the Presidential candidate's younger half-sister, Maya.
web.israelinsider.com

"Claim: Obama's "birth certificate" forged "

Again, Einstein...how do you explain away the birth announcements in the Hawaii newspapers?

"You're a giant bag of stupid."
just when you least expect it, more proof of intellectually challenged right wingers.
probably one of your favorite sayings is "I didn't come from no monkey"

Independent analysts, working separately, claim to have discovered that the original Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth used in the fabrication of the Barack Obama "birth certificate" belongs to the Presidential candidate's younger half-sister, Maya.
web.israelinsider.com

#222 | Posted by JeffnDenmark


Classic FAIL.

"Claim: Obama's "birth certificate" forged with sister Maya's original (br />
By Israel Insider staff August 5, 2008"

you should report this to State of Hawaii so they can prosecute, that's against the law don't you know. oh wait, Hawaii must be in on this.

what a dummy (no cure)

challanged...

#220 | Posted by onna at 2008-11-25 09:45 AM | Reply


challenged...

#224 | Posted by onna at 2008-11-25 10:05 AM | Reply


Much better stupid. Tell me more about how smart you are...

"Independent analysts..."

QUICK! Hurry! Someone call someone! This is important. I said, THIS IS IMPORTANT! Independent analysts, I said, INDEPENDENT ANALYSTS, working separately, no less, have proven, yes, PROVEN that the birth certificate was forged.

Next up: Independent analysts, working separately, have proven that there are smokestacks on the moon. Film at 11:00.

Hans

"I didn't come from no monkey"

What a relief.

metamedia.stanford.edu

The people that are still hanging on to this Birth Certificate story are really fucking stupid. During the election it was funny to cart it out just to make the Sycophants spot their panties, but now it's just sad.


It's not cute, clever, or even based on reality.
Sincerely,
Algore Invented the Internet

Much better stupid. Tell me more about how smart you are...

OK

During the election it was funny to cart it out just to make the Sycophants spot their panties, but now it's just sad.

Agreed. I just dismiss this shit along with buffalo bob's threads.

"Algore Invented the Internet"
no, but he did invest in the internet early, and his internet investments grew to over 300 million dollars, that's not counting his software investments, how are you doing?

..but he did invest in the internet early, and his internet investments grew to over 300 million dollars

bullshit.

Now here is a surprise:

"Kenyan Ambassador Admits Obama Was Born in Kenya
...He also says they plan to mark his birthplace there with a monument."

www.debbieschlussel.com

no, but he did invest in the internet early, and his internet investments grew to over 300 million dollars, that's not counting his software investments, how are you doing?

#233 | Posted by onna at 2008-11-25 10:22 AM | Reply


Translation: I'm intellectually "challanged" and completely missed the obvious point of the post.


Tell me Copernicus, what does Al Gore's wealth have to do with the price of tea in China?

Basically - you can get a birth certificate in Hawaii if you are actually born outside the island. But your birth certificate will not have a doctor nor a delivering hospital on the document.

Even at that he would still be an American citizen due to his mother...but the situation is that she had Indonesian citizenship..which they will not give you unless you renounce your citizenship elsewhere. So the net is that if his mom renounced her citizenship and he was born outside Hawaii ...then he is technically an illegal alien.

If that is found to be true I would think they would either remove him and put in Biden OR let him serve out the term and then disqualify him for future office.

Either way it really points out how the press was so in the pocket for Obama they did not do thier job - and the need to have the Supreme Court have a special group that certifies the viabilty of who is running for the office

"Now here is a surprise:"

QUICK! Hurry! Someone call someone! This is important. I said, THIS IS IMPORTANT!

Kenyan Ambassador Admits Obama Was Born in Kenya. You heard that right! President-elect Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya. It is on the Internet, yes, the INTERNET, right there on Debbie Schlussel's Web site.

Next up: Debbie Schlussel has proof that there are smokestacks on the moon. Film at 11:00.

Hans

"need to have the Supreme Court have a special group that certifies the viabilty of who is running for the office"

this has been done and no Supreme court involved, this BS is over

"If that is found to be true..."

What if smokestacks on the moon is "found to be true."

Alert the media!

Hans

"Either way it really points out how the press was so in the pocket for Obama they did not do thier job..."

And yet...people with millions of dollars at their disposal, some even holding (or near) the levers of power in the federal government, people like Hillary Clinton and John McCain, couldn't pin this on President-elect Barack Hussein Obama.

But the people here, by golly darn, they have him nailed! No doubt whatsoever. They should make those phone calls NOW, to someone, ANYONE... before it is too late!

And after they've slayed President-elect Barack Hussein Obama they need to then turn their attention to those elusive smokestacks on the moon. No question that their certitude will prove those "real" as well.

Hans

"Tell me Copernicus, what does Al Gore's wealth have to do with the price of tea in China?"

my dear intellectually challenged fellow, you stated "Algore Invented the Internet", I told you no he didn't, but that he did invest in it! As for the tea, he doesn't drink Chinese tea.

are there smokestacks on the moon?

Hans...just like Edwards? He was having an affair the whole time and nobody got him on it until the outside tabloid press.

And Ona..when did the Supreme court have an investigating arm?

my dear intellectually challenged fellow, you stated "Algore Invented the Internet", I told you no he didn't, but that he did invest in it!

#242 | Posted by onna at 2008-11-25 11:04 AM | Reply


Hans,
Would you or some other person that is along the same political beliefs as the dumbfuck Onna please explain to him that my "Sincerely, Algore Invented the Internet" was a sarcastic way of explaining that the "birth certificate" non-story is dumber and less funny than the "Al Gore Internet" non-story?

He seems to like to talk about "intellectually challanged" people while missing the obvious fact that he/she is looking like a retard.

onna,
On a scale of 1-10, how fucking dumb do you feel right now?

"Hans...just like Edwards?"

ALERT THE MEDIA! "Just like Edwards"!

ALERT THE MEDIA! Rightwingnuts have the certitude, I said CERTITUDE, that President-elect Barack Hussein Obama is __________ (fill-in the blank), because it is "just like Edwards."

Of course, people with millions of dollars at their disposal, some even holding (or near) the levers of power in the federal government, people like Hillary Clinton and John McCain, couldn't pin this on President-elect Barack Hussein Obama.

But the people here, by golly darn, they have him nailed! No doubt whatsoever. They should make those phone calls NOW, to someone, ANYONE... before it is too late!

And after they've slayed President-elect Barack Hussein Obama they need to then turn their attention to those elusive smokestacks on the moon. No question that their certitude will prove those "real" as well.

Hans

"It's not cute, clever, or even based on reality.
Sincerely,
Algore Invented the Internet"

#230 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-11-25 10:12 AM | Reply | Flag: Obvious sarcasm

"And Ona..when did the Supreme court have an investigating arm?"

what?, I essentially said the Supreme court had no role in the vetting! though some think they will rule Dec 1, based on misleading comments by Berg. also a claim that a Dec 5 discussion will lead to a ruling, good luck on that!

"On a scale of 1-10, how fucking dumb do you feel right now?"
actually quite smart, I responed to your joke with a joke that went over your head, PSA

actually quite smart, I responed to your joke with a joke that went over your head, PSA

#248 | Posted by onna at 2008-11-25 11:19 AM | Reply


Now this is just a pathetic attempt at saving face. I actually feel sorry for you.

"Basically - you can get a birth certificate in Hawaii if you are actually born outside the island. But your birth certificate will not have a doctor nor a delivering hospital on the document."

Link please.


"Even at that he would still be an American citizen due to his mother...but the situation is that she had Indonesian citizenship..which they will not give you unless you renounce your citizenship elsewhere."

Link please.


Obama wasn't born in Kenya?

Things that make you go Hmmmmm:

www.youtube.com



" I actually feel sorry for you."
Thanks, appreciate your candor and _____________!

they certainly are creative in inventing "born in Kenya" stories, but proof, no proof! It is amazing how easy it is to convince these characters. Why don't one of you contact the Hawaii justice Dept and register a charge against the state for producing fake certificates, better yet force Hawaii to arrest Obama for forging a fake, that's against the law don't you know. Go ahead do it, it will make your little brain happy and save the country from a Krypton born alien. Don't waste your time complaining here, just file a complaint with Hawaii. Let us know how that turns out!

ONAN, I'm sure if the sister of some Republican presidential candidate spoke of her brother president-to-be being as being born in a hospital contradicting what is said on brother's birth certificate, and if said brother's grandmother also spoke of grandson being born not in Hawaii, but Kenya. And if the ambassador of Kenya, glowingly speaks of said Republican president-to-be as being a native of Kenya, born in Kenya...etc...etc...etc., I'm sure you'd also be demanding proof for said Republican candidate?

I doubt it. No, I don't think you really want proof. Rather, I think Obama just happens to be the best candidate for your homo-erotic obsession and agenda! Therefore your demand for "proof" is simply a dodge.

Can a person consumed with homo-erotic obsession really be persuaded by proof?

Answer: Not in the least!



"I'm sure if the sister of some Republican presidential candidate spoke of her brother president-to-be being as being born in a hospital contradicting what is said on brother's birth certificate"

Of course since she is younger than Barack and wasn't there at the time, it is certainly beyond the realm of possibility that she spoke in error.


"and if said brother's grandmother also spoke of grandson being born not in Hawaii, but Kenya."


Go to the video tape l'il Buckaroo and you'll find that she never said he was born in Kenya. She said "he is a son of our village".


"And if the ambassador of Kenya, glowingly speaks of said Republican president-to-be as being a native of Kenya, born in Kenya...etc...etc...etc.,"

Check the tape again - he never says any of those things. And remember you are dealing with a person for whom English is a second language. It is quite clear he is speaking about Kenya being Obama's ancestral home, not literally his birthplace.

Can a person consumed with homo-erotic obsession really be persuaded by proof?

Answer: Not in the least!


#254 | Posted by TheOneBS


Certainly no one illustrates that point better than you pp boy.

We've given you high-rez photos of his birth certificate, complete with eye-witness reports from those examining it, statements from Hawaiian officials, photos of the birth announcement in the Honolulu papers.

they need to then turn their attention to those elusive smokestacks on the moon
Posted by Hans

Jesus, Hans. The only one ranting in here about smokestacks on the moon is you. I count 9 separate references to it by you in this thread alone. Do you have your laptop strapped to the handle of your shopping cart with the wobbly wheel and pieces of found string hanging off of it? You sound like a fucking loon.

"Incredibly, we are just nine weeks away from inaugurating the next president of the United States and millions of Americans still have citizenship eligibility questions that have never been addressed by Barack Obama and his entourage."

So millions of people are being deliberately obtuse and that isn't their own problem?

"Answer: Not in the least!"
true, you answered your own question!

Did you register your complaint to Hawaii yet, Obama needs to be brought to justice for posting a *fake Hawaii certificate on his web site, if you did not register a complaint to Hawaii then just drop this subject, you are wasting time!

* I think there is a 10,000.00 fine plus possible jail time, so file your complaint (or shut up)

"Incredibly, we are just nine weeks away from inaugurating the next president of the United States and millions of Americans..."


And by "millions" he means 12.

Chair,

You seem to have forgotten your own golden rule:

You can't spell "Onna is a dumbfuck" without Onna.


Publictrough,

The only one ranting in here about smokestacks on the moon is you.

One of this site's more colorful members posted a thread about smokestacks on the moon about a year ago. The thread got a lot of traffic, much of it mocking the whole premise as well as the individual who posted it.

Hans is drawing a parallel between that absurd theory and the absurdity of what is being presented here - that Obama is not a citizen of the US.

It's a bit of an inside joke - you would have had to have been around when the whole smokestack thing was proferred.

We shall see what happens when Alan Keyes lawsuit goes to trial. Dr. Savage is currently raises funds for the lawsuit

We shall see what happens when Alan Keyes lawsuit goes to trial. Dr. Savage is currently raises funds for the lawsuit

#262 | Posted by timbci


It won't. It will end up in the same place as Berg's suit.

Do they make a cream for that unbearable soreness of losing?

Alan Dershowitz disagrees with you son

Alan Dershowitz disagrees with you son

#264 | Posted by timbci

Woo F. Woo

"We shall see what happens when Alan Keyes lawsuit goes to trial. Dr. Savage is currently raises funds for the lawsuit"

when it's dismissed as all the others were, what will you say, now go to Hawaii and file a criminal charge against Obama for posting a fake BC, do it now cause the Keyes thing goes no where, it's your last chance! don't be scared, he broke the law!

It is rather sad that you are so willing to accept a foreigner as your leader

It is rather sad that you are so willing to accept a foreigner as your leader

#267 | Posted by timbci


There is actually nothing so sad as a pathetic sore loser grasping at increasingly elusive, nay, imaginary straws in order to attempt to create some pseudo pacifier upon which to suckle.

"It is rather sad that you are so willing to accept a foreigner as your leader"

you can stop it, just file a complaint to Hawaii that *Obama posted a fake BC, or you don't have the courage or just satisfied with internet rumors

come on be a patriot and file a complaint, those law suits going no where but posting a fake BC that's solid evidence, go for it or just keep complaining!

*big fine and jail time


"Answer: Not in the least!"
true, you answered your own question!


Did you register your complaint to Hawaii yet, Obama needs to be brought to justice for posting a *fake Hawaii certificate on his web site, if you did not register a complaint to Hawaii then just drop this subject, you are wasting time!


* I think there is a 10,000.00 fine plus possible jail time, so file your complaint (or shut up)

#259 | Posted by onna


No, Obama already made a trip to Hawaii to cover his bases against anything like that. Granny became the convenient excuse to zip off to Hawaii to do just that.

Of course, ya' gotta wonder why wife and kids stayed on the mainland when such an important family member was dying...the same one who was bypassed on a previous trip to Hawaii by loving grandson. She was a signficant influence in his life, says grandson messiah. Obviously!

Of course, ya' gotta wonder why wife and kids stayed on the mainland when such an important family member was dying...the same one who was bypassed on a previous trip to Hawaii by loving grandson. She was a signficant influence in his life, says grandson messiah. Obviously!

#270 | Posted by TheOneBS

Uhm, wrong again Theo. The whole family was there on vacation and visited with Tut in August.

seems to me this country has alot bigger problems right now.

repubes, you lost. get over it.

The Honolulu Star-Bulletin reported on August 9 that "[a]fter delivering a campaign speech, Sen. Barack Obama's first stop on his Hawaii vacation was a visit to his grandmother's Makiki apartment, where he also lived during his youth."

"Hans...just like Edwards? He was having an affair the whole time and nobody got him on it until the outside tabloid press."

Actually, it was pretty common knowledge in inner circles, and Hillary constantly hinted about it but said she was not going to bother releasing it, because he had already lost any chance by that point.

I guess she felt for Mrs. Edwards...

None of the courts has validated Obama's citizenship. Many have declined to give status to the litigant to pursue the case. I'm willing to bet that if a state court allows the complaint to go forward, and the votes of a particular state which are non-essential to Obama's election, are withheld as a result, he will merely forfeit those votes, and proceed with the others. If a federal court should pursue the matter, and its decision should be binding on a number of states, it'll be fun.

With the country in the state it is, and Obama seeming to be doing "something," it might be counter-productive to disqualify him at this time.

Where's the meat? Where's the birth certificate indicating the hospital where Obama claims to have been born in Hawaii, and the attending physician.

Parenthetically, I don't know about now, but Texas used to issue delayed birth certificates. They usually were issued for unregistered, therefore "home births." Does Hawaii issue delayed birth certificates based on affidavit?

Why is Obama's actual "long form" birth certificate not presented. It would be numbered in sequence. Maybe we should also see the inclusive numbers of birth certificates issued on the date that Obama was born.

" if his mom renounced her citizenship and he was born outside Hawaii "

Again...how would you explain the birth announcement in the local Hawaiian newspapers?

#29 | Posted by kerrin57 at 2008-11-24 11:36 AM

""the fact that he was enrolled in school in Indonesia, "
that WOULD be funny. He had duel citizenship U.S. and Kenya until 1982. Can one have three?

Maybe so.

Didn't Obama travel to Pakistan with his New York Pakistani friends on an Indonesian passport, when he was 19 or 20, or something close to that?

Isn't that verifiable? What would that "prove?"

Again...how would you explain the birth announcement in the local Hawaiian newspapers?

#276 | Posted by Danforth


Stop it. Stop it! Facts, facts, facts... STOP IT!!

-TIMBeCIle, Theo, et al


members.optusnet.com.au

Grandma was a bank executive, a VP, wasn't she?

"... that WOULD be funny. He had duel citizenship U.S. and Kenya until 1982. Can one have three?"

Why not make it four? There was no Republic of Kenya in 1961. Obama Sr. would have been at British Subject at the time of Barack's birth.

There ya go... a whole new track for the vast conspiracy!

"It is rather sad that you are so willing to accept a foreigner as your leader"

OMG!!! Stop the presses!!! Alert the media!!! This is REALLY important! A foreigner as our leader!!! OMG!!!

Of course, people with millions of dollars at their disposal, some even holding (or near) the levers of power in the federal government, people like Hillary Clinton and John McCain, couldn't pin this on President-elect Barack Hussein Obama.

But the people here, by golly darn, they have him nailed! No doubt whatsoever. They should make those phone calls NOW, to someone, ANYONE... before it is too late!

And after they've slayed President-elect Barack Hussein Obama they need to then turn their attention to those elusive smokestacks on the moon. No question that their certitude will prove those "real" as well.

Hans

"Grandma was a bank executive, a VP, wasn't she?"

And Jeremiah was a bullfrog, wasn't he?

Hans

So It will be interesting what the court rules on the lawsuit to decertify the electoral votes from California until the birth certificate is produced

#16 | POSTED BY TIMBCI

The same ruling that happened in Texas when Barr sued to get the candidates off the ballot.

Nothing.

Again...how would you explain the birth announcement in the local Hawaiian newspapers?
#276 | Posted by Danforth

Obviously the Messiah traveled back in time and used his super secret brainwash magic voodoo powers on the announcements editor to publish a fictitious birth announcement.

Or wait a minute, maybe he did not travel back in time, but rather a three day old Obama crawled down to the newspaper and convinced this poor slob editor that he HAD to put the fake announcement in the paper in order to run for POTUS 47 years later.

That's it!

You have to be some sort of straw grasping idiot to believe that Hillary did not fully vet this issue, that McLost did not fully vet this issue (although after the thorough job he did with Mayor Mooseville one has to wonder) and that the countless pinheads on the right the struggled to dig up every last shred of dirt did not come forward with this.

I am not a big conspiracy theory guy but I do have one key question...

If Obama has a legal and valid birth certificate and he has nothing to hide, then why would he spend literally hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal costs to prevent this document from being seen?

It makes no sense.

"then why would he spend literally hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal costs to prevent this document from being seen?"

He hasn't. He has essentially ignored the Berg's and Corsini's yip-yapping and their cases have been tossed without ever coming to court.

Then why did Obama and the DNC file a motion of protective order to delay discovery of the birth certifcate?

WHY? Why didn't he just show it and end all discussion?


By the way this was who represented Obama against Berg...

I guess they did it as a freebie...

Of counsel:

Joseph E. Sandler
General Counsel, Democratic National Committee
SANDLER, REIFF & YOUNG, P.C.
300 M Street, S.E. #1102
Washington, D.C. 20003
Telephone: (202) 479-1111
Fax: (202) 479-1115

Robert F. Bauer
General Counsel, Obama for America
PERKINS COIE
607 Fourteenth Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20005-2003
Telephone: (202) 628-6600
Facsimile: (202) 434-1690

Once again why wouldn't he just produce a birth certificate instead of sending the above people???


Hans is drawing a parallel between that absurd theory and the absurdity of what is being presented here - that Obama is not a citizen of the US.


It's a bit of an inside joke - you would have had to have been around when the whole smokestack thing was proferred.

Yeah, JeffJ, when I read it for the fourth or fifth time in a row and I figured Hans must own a website he was promoting through some kind of viral posting strategy. I googled on it and I saw the links to the crazy story from back a year or so. But how many times does Hans have to spam a thread with "Smoke stacks on the moon, News at 11" before he is revealed for being completely off his rocker, or just a serious Alzheimer's case? Hans.. bad news.. you just posted that same thing 2 postings ago. And 4 postings before that. Ronald Reagan called and he wants his spit tray back.

"Once again why wouldn't he just produce a birth certificate instead of sending the above people???"

he did, but morons insist it's a fake and continue to file suits that get thrown out, so again why not file criminal charges as Obama posted a fake BC on the web, you can really nail him there, go ahead! Or is it all really BS!

But how many times does Hans have to spam a thread with "Smoke stacks on the moon, News at 11"..... you just posted that same thing 2 postings ago. And 4 postings before that.

#290 | Posted by PublicTrough

Has' basic M.O. is that he keeps posting the same information that others simply refuse to see or believe. Hoping that sooner or later they will get over themselves and see the facts and proof right in front of them. It's a fool's errand.

Once again why wouldn't he just produce a birth certificate instead of sending the above people???

#289 | Posted by ChiTownGuy


I don't know for sure, but if I had to guess I'd say its probably because once you do something like that you lend legitimacy to a frivolous claim, which in turn could open the floodgates for all sorts of unfounded and retaliatory lawsuits being filed against public figures.

#291 | Posted by onna at 2008-11-25 04:19 PM

"Once again why wouldn't he just produce a birth certificate instead of sending the above people???"

he did, but morons insist it's a fake and continue to file suits that get thrown out, so again why not file criminal charges as Obama posted a fake BC on the web, you can really nail him there, go ahead! Or is it all really BS!

It isn't necessarily "a fake." It just doesn't attest to his birth in Hawaii. It is similar to phrases that contain a negative pregnant, a statement true, but so ambiguous that it is replete with contradictory possibilities.

"Where's the beef?" Where's the birth certificate that shows the date and place of birth, the hospital, and names the attending physican, and the parents and their occupations?

#293 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-11-25 04:40 PM

Once again why wouldn't he just produce a birth certificate instead of sending the above people???

#289 | Posted by ChiTownGuy


Says Rogue:

I don't know for sure ...

It is problematic, isn't it Rogue, and even those favorably disposed towards Obama seem puzzled by this stance. And rightfully so, since it's such a simple matter to eliminate as a point of controversy.

This would make the premises in "The Manchurian Candidate" seem less far-fetched.

Apparently, as posted several times before, its right where it should be.

Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Fukino also was quoted by several other news organizations. The Honolulu Advertiser quoted Fukino as saying the agency had been bombarded by requests, and that the registrar of statistics had even been called in at home in the middle of the night.

Honolulu Advertiser, Nov. 1 2008: "This has gotten ridiculous," state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said yesterday. "There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy." . . . Will this be enough to quiet the doubters? "I hope so," Fukino said. "We need to get some work done."

Fukino said she has "personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

"It is problematic, isn't it Rogue, and even those favorably disposed towards Obama seem puzzled by this stance."

Incorrect. I am not "puzzled", just simply not privy to that information.

I am, however, familiar with the concept of setting precedent in legal venues.

Obama's website never posted a birth certificate, they posted a certificate of live birth.

Now of course you being a NON-MORON would know that a certificate of live birth is not the same as a birth certificate...right?

This link will show that someone born in a foreign country can still have a Hawaii Cert of Live Birth. The question and answer below was copied and pasted from the official Hawaii health website.

hawaii.gov

Who is eligible to apply and how to apply for an amendment?

Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country.

"And rightfully so, since it's such a simple matter to eliminate as a point of controversy."

But it only seems to be a "point of controversy" to the WND set and a handful of rather poorly informed agitators.

"Where's the beef?"

Fer all you know, it's jammed up yer ass along with yer head.

You need to come up fer some air.

This link will show that someone born in a foreign country can still have a Hawaii Cert of Live Birth. The question and answer below was copied and pasted from the official Hawaii health website.

hawaii.gov

Who is eligible to apply and how to apply for an amendment?

Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country.

#298 | Posted by ChiTownGuy


Which still begs the question of the birth announcements in both Honolulu papers a few days after he was born.


Why do we have to keep going around in circles with each poster who joins in and thinks they have some great new original argument?

"Why do we have to keep going around in circles...?"

Because they hate the Left, they hate Obama, and they have no reason to think, or to be fair when they think.

Why do we have to keep going around in circles...?

Because the 9-11 conspiracy theories have petered out.

new material was needed.

repubes, you lost. get over it.

#272 | Posted by hillbillydeluxe


After the last 8 years of sour grapes from dems I don't believe there's a single one of you here who has the right to say that.

Danni,


I agree that criminalization of pot is stupid, as is demonizing its use.

Having said that, you've taken things to a weird place - you are actually insinuating that smoking dope is a virtuous act.

It's hilarious in a pathetic sort of way.

This deserves a re-print:


repubes, you lost. get over it.


#272 | Posted by hillbillydeluxe


After the last 8 years of sour grapes from dems I don't believe there's a single one of you here who has the right to say that.

#304 | Posted by everlong

"After eight years of sour grapes...."

So that's all it was? Good. I want our one-trillion dollars back from Iraq.

No matter what "points" the non-citizenship crowd makes, I can assure someone has examined said accusation and dispensed with it.

I once spent an hour reading an erudite explanation of why borders vary on birth certificates.

So since you have no answers about his certificate of live birth vs a real birth certificate, you want to use a birth announcement in a newspaper as proof. Really? Although a birth certificate is what I would prefer to see as proof, I will play your game.

So if I am with my Wife and we travel to Europe where she gives birth, I cannot put a birth announcement in the paper back in the US?

We probably would put an announcement out when we arrived back home. Such as Obama being born on August 4th and the announcement coming out August 13th. Took 9 days...???

Sure, CHITTOWNGUY, how many people have you ever heard of who did such a thing?

Sorry to start you off at the most elemental step of logic here, but it seems like you need it.

I will play your game.

#309 | Posted by ChiTownGuy

And playing games is all you're doing. So play with yourself now.

We can skip to the next logical step if you like. If there's a motivation to lie about place of birth, there's a motivation to lie about date of birth.

You'd take care of that 08/4-08/13 gap by saying he was born 08/13. At least, you would if those evil beings you see in that brush thicket are also sane.

Still want to play?

"Such as Obama being born on August 4th and the announcement coming out August 13th. Took 9 days...???"

OMG!!! 9 days! Alert the media!!! Oh, can't do that, they're in on this.

Anyway, what's wrong with those 1960s-era newspapers!!! 9 days!!! Why, today, with the Internet these things are instantaneous. Immediate, I tell you!!! 9 days!!! You would think that they had better things to do!!!

Of course, people with millions of dollars at their disposal, some even holding (or near) the levers of power in the federal government, people like Hillary Clinton and John McCain, couldn't pin this on President-elect Barack Hussein Obama.

But the people here, by golly darn, they have him nailed! No doubt whatsoever. They should make those phone calls NOW, to someone, ANYONE... before it is too late!

And after they've slayed President-elect Barack Hussein Obama they need to then turn their attention to those elusive smokestacks on the moon. No question that their certitude will prove those "real" as well.

Hans


"After eight years of sour grapes...."


So that's all it was? Good. I want our one-trillion dollars back from Iraq.

#307 | Posted by Zed

It was refering to the election results and the way the left behaved after losing twice. Those are the sour grapes we are talking about. The left was told over and over to get over it and they never did. Thus, for the libs to say get over it now they just don't have any room to talk.

Has anyone here ever heard of frivolous lawsuits that are created for little other reason than to open up the defendant to tons of discovery motions that eat up time and money as the litigants ask for everything under the sun? If you provide the first piece of info in the lawsuit it is likely you are going to be deluged with requests for another and another and another piece. Best legal strategy is never respond to the first request and try and get the lawsuit thrown out, even if you have proof to kill the major premise of the suit, and then after the suit is dead produce the original information to prove the suit was totally without merit.

ROGUE

Thanks. Once again you prove my point. When you have zero answers you lob insults. It's called deflection. I call it weak.

ZED

You make no sense at all. Your premise is that if he lied about country of birth, he would lie about birth dates. Right? Except the the date of birth is not in question is it? If you read my above I said that a birth announcement is proof of NOTHING. The potential disparity of dates were only shown to show how meaningless a birth announcement is or easily it could be debunked.

The "still want to play" comment means you really are full of yourself. You really thought you made a great point, yet what you thought was a great point is really pointless.

If you want to have fun with this and really play, then bring some real game to the table.

The left was told over and over to get over it and they never did.

Get over a pair of stolen elections?

Yeah, that'll happen.

Particularily when the aftermath of 8 years of BushCo rule was so devastating.

Still, Spud is not so crass as to tell Rightwingnuts to "get over" Obama's decisive victory.

Spud recognises the "Stages of Grief" thing that's going on.

Fools like Everschlong are still in the "Denial" stage.

Eventually, Everwrong & Co will come around to "Acceptance".

Might take a couple years, of course.

Maybe not till Obama's second term, in fact.

Not too swift are these Rtards, ya see.

Be Well.

"then bring some real game to the table."

Okay...how do you explain the birth announcements in the Hawaiian newspapers?

"You make no sense at all."

YEAH! No sense at all. These people who think that Obama was born in Hawaii have no sense whatsoever. They can't see the obvious. There are so many questions.

Of course, people with millions of dollars at their disposal, some even holding (or near) the levers of power in the federal government, people like Hillary Clinton and John McCain, couldn't pin this on President-elect Barack Hussein Obama.

But the people here, by golly darn, they have him nailed! No doubt whatsoever. They should make those phone calls NOW, to someone, ANYONE... before it is too late!

And after they've slayed President-elect Barack Hussein Obama they need to then turn their attention to those elusive smokestacks on the moon. No question that their certitude will prove those "real" as well.

Hans

each state has an election commission that can certify or refuse to certify any candidate. these commisions are the only one's that certify candidates such as Obama or not. None of them, not a one, has brought up this phony birth stuff, and all have certified Obama. These are the only enities than can certify Obama or not(for an election), and they all did, it's over numbskulls!

as for California, Debra Bowen Calif Secretary of State certified all candidates including Barack Obama
see the California Certification list with Obama's name on it at:
www.sos.ca.gov
you can them scour the web for all the states certifications or just keep on believing BS

note: also Keyes name is on it

So, since he was married at the time of the ceremony to Obama's mother, there was no marriage between Obama's mother and father. Obama's mother was unmarried at the time of his birth. A person born to an unmarried woman is a bastard. Ergo, Obama is a bastard, the first acknowledged bastard President of the United States.

#195 | Posted by Johnson at 2008-11-24 11:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

You keep claiming that his parents weren't married, but they somehow managed to get a divorce. Hmmmmmm.......

Bastard or not, he beat McSame, and in the end, that's all that really matters to me and a majority of Americans.

HANS

You have used the elusive smokestacks on the moon comment numerous times. It's getting a bit stale.

In fact 1/2 of your post was basically a retread from the one above. How un-original!



"Except the birth of date is not in question, is it....?"

LOL. Only because you guys haven't gotten around to it. Tell me, does Rush still think Obama is not Black but Arab?

More 'pretend scandal' created by SORE LOSERS!!!

Nothing more.

"...then bring some real game to the table."

This from a clown who has absolutely nothing.

You'd be funny if you weren't so fucking pathetic, chitownmoron.


Look, using the same "arguments" you guys have been advancing, I could challenge your citizenship. It's no more difficult than asserting nothing means anything, which is at the heart of this weird "debate"?

"You have used the elusive smokestacks on the moon comment numerous times. It's getting a bit stale."

You think? How about "Obama isn't a real American. He wasn't born in America"?

You think that isn't getting a "bit stale"?

Of course, people with millions of dollars at their disposal, some even holding (or near) the levers of power in the federal government, people like Hillary Clinton and John McCain, couldn't pin this on President-elect Barack Hussein Obama.

But the people here, by golly darn, they have him nailed! No doubt whatsoever. They should make those phone calls NOW, to someone, ANYONE... before it is too late!

And after they've slayed President-elect Barack Hussein Obama they need to then turn their attention to those elusive smokestacks on the moon. No question that their certitude will prove those "real" as well.

Hans

"In fact 1/2 of your post was basically a retread from the one above. How un-original!"

Maybe you're beginning to get it.

(Doubt it, but there's always hope.)

Hans

I should mention that Bowen of California certified Obama pursuant to Elections Code section 8150

section 8150 states:
The candidate must be:
A. A natural-born citizen of the United States,
B. At least 35 years of age, and
C. A resident of the United States at least 14 years.

Obama was certified, you can't change that, cry in your beer Obama haters!

list of certified names
www.sos.ca.gov


qualifications required for certification
www.sos.ca.gov

I know, some of you will say "ya, but..."

I should mention that Bowen of California certified Obama pursuant to Elections Code section 8150

True, Onna, true.

That sed, Spud should also mention that the moran who runs the WorldNUTdaily and all the other ASSinine believers in this canard are CERTIFIABLE.

Prolly didn't need to mention that cos it's so obvious and yet Spud feels much better after having done so.

Silly Spud. ^_^

Be Well.

"You have used the elusive smokestacks on the moon comment numerous times. It's getting a bit stale."

I like it, it's basically calling you an A__H___! Hans is perfectly justified in using this to ridiclue these idiots, it fits very well

on August 23, 2008 A World Net Daily investigation into Obama's birth certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the document on Obama's site to be authentic.

WND page still available (though not easily unless you know the link)
www.worldnetdaily.com

however, this was not a popular story and upset the true believers, so WND returned to printing articles that dispute the Obama BC and archived the "authentic" story.

good example of an ethical christian news source NOT! though TAKITEZ loves this source

The smokestacks on the moon are real.

I saw them on a youtube video. If you don't believe me, look for yourself.

Rightwingers show their true anti-American colors through these type of lawsuits. With them, it is always Party before country. Hope they enjoy wandering in the sahara for the next few years.

Thanks. Once again you prove my point. When you have zero answers you lob insults. It's called deflection. I call it weak.


#318 | Posted by ChiTownGuy


I suggest you read back through the thread and you will find that I have answered each and every point with actual facts, links, and quotes from people who are in a position to know.

And this is not the first thread on the subject I've been involved in.

So you'll forgive me if eventually I tire of refuting the same retreaded points over and over every time some new dolt jumps in the middle of things again.

Not a deflection so much as pure incredulity.

The smokestacks on the moon are real.

I saw them on a youtube video. If you don't believe me, look for yourself.

Yes, but if you look you'll see that they aint there no more.

Ever since the moon stopped smoking, Cancer rates among moonmen have gone way down.

Of course they have all became addicted to green cheeze and subsequently have gained massive amounts of weight but hey, at 1/6th gravity their heart attack risk aint too much of a factor anyways.

Ah, gotsta luff a thread that originates at WorldNUTdaily. You can pretty much make up anything ya like and it'll still make more sense than them

^_^

Be Well.

/Outtie fer a bit
stage left.

and here I was wondering what the right-wingers were going to complain about next... nice to see they didn't skip a beat and completely imploded!

I love the smell of a right-wing implosion...

it smells like... victory...


and here I was wondering what the right-wingers were going to complain about next... nice to see they didn't skip a beat and completely imploded!


I love the smell of a right-wing implosion...


it smells like... victory...

#339 | Posted by quidambrujah

Rightwinger! I didn't know that Hilary is a rightwinger.

well, standing next to Obama, Hilary IS a rightwinger.

Rightwingers show their true anti-American colors through these type of lawsuits. With them, it is always Party before country. Hope they enjoy wandering in the sahara for the next few years.

#336 | Posted by moder8 at 2008-11-25 09:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

I've seen this sort of absolutely insane grasping at straws before somewhere. Hmm. Oh! I know. It's kinda like the people who doubted the veracity of that Palin kid's birth.

As I recall, when that came up again, TonyRoma was greeted with open arms and swooning despite being so batshit crazy, and yet American1st and Timbci are being called total lunatics by many of the same people.

When one side does it, it should be glossed over, and when the other side does it; the people involved are retarded?

www.youtube.com

Myself I believe they are nutjobs. Crazy is crazy, no matter who's spewing it. I don't trust Obama to keep to his word at all, but he is clearly an American citizen. They'd have to have access to a time machine otherwise.

And no, I don't care what some old Kenyan lady has to say. You ever SEEN Kenya? I could give her $50 and she'd go on TV swearing Obama is my son.

Despite the fact that he's older then me.

Why would the Gov (I think it was her) seal his B.C. When he went to visit his grandmother.

Sorry Barack about her passing, I know the feeling, I dont think it will ever pass.

"Why would the Gov (I think it was her) seal his B.C. When he went to visit his grandmother."

This is story from WorldNetDaily, it is not true, Gov didn't seal anything, Dept of Health just following their directives. go on keep inventing BS.

letter from gov:
whatreallyhappened.com

as for WorldNutDaily:
in November 25th, 2008 at 8:51 pm On August 23, 2008 A World Net Daily investigation into Obama's birth certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the document on Obama's site to be authentic.

WND page still available (this archived story not easily found unless you know the link)
www.worldnetdaily.com

however, this was not a very popular story with their readers and true believers, so WND dropped the article and returned to printing articles that dispute the Obama BC and archived the "authentic" story.

good example of an ethical christian news source NOT!

Right Wingers Challenge Obama's Birth Certificate

stupid retard headlines....


The suit was brought NOT by a right winger but by a Clinton supporter. Phil Berg ....check it out on obamacrimes.com

makes you wonder if there is nothing to it, why the moves to avoid it, release the school records and birth certificate. and yes if he is not eligible and nothing is done, there would be a constitutional crisis. the section of the constitution in question is not open to interpretation... natural born means natural born

there are more than one suits and as for Berg, yes he says he is a democrat, but right wingers leaped all over his story. Berg has often lied or misled in order to raise funds, check his track record.
ex: "Berg says Supreme court gave Obama 72 hrs to turn over BC", this never happened, he clamored for support as he said "the Supreme Court has scheduled my case", sure Berg is reliable , a reliable asshole!

"makes you wonder if there is nothing to it,", yes makes you wonder but not a rational person!

This election has proven one thing to me beyond a doubt. Yes, I already knew the Republican Party to
be home to several rightwing racist groups, but never did I imagine that such groups MUST constitute the CORE of the G.O.P. Where are you party of Lincoln? Party of the Great Emancipator?
Show a little Class, a little Grace in Defeat...

It is entirely SAD and DEPRESSING to see how full of vitreol the Republican Party has become.

I mean, you just had 8 years of the Presidency, not
to mention for a time, the House and the Senate, AND, you have had the majority of the Presidencies since Reagan----and that's not enough?

I mean, you ran up--virtually totally under your sides leadership--a $$$ 10 Trillion dollar $$$ deficit, and have practically SANK this nation fiscally, and you think this represents good stewardship of this nation? I mean honestly...

You think this entitles you to more innane leadership rights? And you have the Gaul to say a black man has no right to be President? Have the gaul to question his Birth Certificate?

How sad the Republican Party has become. Republican men need to seriously, "Grow A Pair",
and stop all your whinning. Lose like a Man,
admit defeat, see how you can improve your party and move on. And above all, stop whinning like a pack of Racist Ninnys...

P.S. Back Atcha!

EARTHMUSE your comments were right on the money but you forgot recommending baking soda in hot water as a solution for their knuckles, that can help.

lol. yep, forgot that...

"Right Wingers Challenge Obama's Birth Certificate"

The behavior of Rightbots with respect to the Obama birth certificate non-controversy "controversy" reminds me of an endless porn loop. Interesting at first but *in the end* fundamentally tacky and boring.

Although the Bard said it much better when he wrote of "a tale/Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,/Signifying nothing."

Show the birth certificate (not something online) and this would be all over. I heard many overseas don't believe Obama was officially born in the US.

I heard many overseas don't believe Obama was officially born in the US.

Well, I heard Santa on the radio
I knew it was Santa on the radio
Mixing up the music like a Santa should
And radio
Radio
Never sounded so good.

"Show the birth certificate (not something online) and this would be all over. I heard many overseas don't believe Obama was officially born in the US."

World Net Daily Investigation here:
www.worldnetdaily.com

carefully read "valid"
are you aware the Obama admitted he was born on Krypton, yes he really did!

What am I missing here? Wasn't his mother an american citizen?

What else is necessary?

-What else is necessary?
-

Nothing. Nada. Zero. Zilch.

Just poor loserism at work here. Nothing else to see.

"What else is necessary?"
legally nothing, the election has been certified and electoral vote will be as planned!

as for the Obama haters they want Obama to personally come and show each and every one of them his birth certificate which they will then refuse to except! They will produce some lame excuse like "that ink type wasn't available in 1961" or "his American mother died before he was born" or "he is a communist muslim". Weird people!

Spud, why don't you provide some evidence of these 2 stolen elections, and please leave out the conspiracy theories that have all been disproven. Although, I understand that since you say they were stolen then they most certainly must have been.

"except" should have been "accept", sorry
please don't call spelling police
thank you

"Right Wingers Challenge Obama's Birth Certificate"

Bwahahahahaha!

Sorry Onna and others, you don't get to see his birth cert.

"The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate."

Get over it!

"Sorry Onna and others,"
you mean he wasn't born on Krypton, and that WND verified that his BC as being authentic is OK?

Wow, I think you are addressing this to the wrong person, I have not questioned his BC and find knuckle dragging wingnuts quite silly for doing so. If you go to that WND site I gave a link to, you will find that they authenticated Obama's BC as being valid using forgery experts, but as they found their readers didn't like that, they took it off the site and now support those silly wingnuts version. I find that a good example of Christian ethics. (howling ethics) Yes, they rail against what they authenticated hoping you won't notice! I find that very telling about WND.

SHOW US THE DOG GONE BIRTH CERTIFICATE!

www.youtube.com

Wow, so many posts about this stupid shit. Well, Clinton did get impeached over a blowjob. And we went to war over fake WMDs. And we reelected a guy we didn't elect the first time (with the help of voting machines that preferred the fucking moron incumbent).

This is important, BECAUSE HE'S NOT A US CITIZEN AND HE'S REALLY AN ARAB MUSLIM BOUND ON SELLING US OUT TO ALLAH! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOO!

interesting, the latest Gallup poll shows very high support and trust in Obama, also very high confidence in his leadership, so far 69% approval rating and growing!

that's really strange for a guy with a fake birth certificate, being a Muslim communist, socialistic atheist having such support. I would guess that the wingnuts can't handle that kind of high regard Obama holds, so they will hit harder on their failing "born in Kenya" crap. These sad people should go back to UFO & Elvis sightings. "Wait and see" they say before each court that gets thrown out or why do they call him "Barry" when his name is "Barrack" or where did they get that time machine to post his birth announcements back in 1961, weird people believe weird shit!

Hawaii Code, Sec. 338-17.8, Certificates for Children born out of State...
The State of Hawaii permits U.S. parent of children who are born out of state to register the child's born in Hawaii within one year after born of the child, so long as the parent declares that the parent is a legal resident of the State of Hawaii.

Bill Clinton said, "it depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."

The director of Health for the State of Hawaii and the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain the vital records, have publicly stated that they have both "seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Senator Obama's original birth certificate on record IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES."

BUT, neither of these government officials have ever stated that Senator Obama was actually born in the State of Hawaii... they only verified that there is an "original birth certification on record."

If Senator Obama is found not to have been actually born in Hawaii, he will just respond with, "I didn't know..."

For all the lemmings that have or will be posting on this subject... THERE lies the difference... that having a Hawaiian registration of birth is not evidence that someone was actually born in the State of Hawaii... that being a "natural born citizen" is not the same as being just a "citizen" of the United States.

If Senator Obama is found not to have been actually born in Hawaii...

Biden would be president.

This should spawn a Dark House Conspiracy. Biden and his handlers (the Feminist Mavens) knew he couldn't raise the cash or the votes so they positioned Obama to win the race, and if discovered then their man (or mouse) would be elevated. They may even pull the plug themselves -- but not until Obama and Biden are sworn in.

They may also bide (pun) their time. Perhaps they sent Sandy Burglar to steal the only documents that could provide the Answer, and if Obama wasn't born in Hawaii then they could test his willingness to continue to deceive the American People, balanced with capitulating to their devious design to usurp the Constitution.

After all, if Obama does well they could wait till the end of his second term (with a new VP of the female persuasion) to disclose the fact that he is really foreign born. He resigns to the regret of the electorate, the VP as heir apparent and incumbent wins the 2016, and by popular demand the Constitution is amended with respect to native born presidents.

It's possible.

"BUT, neither of these government officials have ever stated that Senator Obama was actually born in the State of Hawaii... they only verified that there is an "original birth certification on record."

WOW! I wonder if anyone, I said ANYONE, knows about THIS! Other than "metoyou," that is.

Of course, people with millions of dollars at their disposal, some even holding (or near) the levers of power in the federal government, people like Hillary Clinton and John McCain, couldn't pin this on President-elect Barack Hussein Obama.

But the people here, by golly darn, they have him nailed! No doubt whatsoever. They should make those phone calls NOW, to someone, ANYONE... before it is too late!

And after they've slayed President-elect Barack Hussein Obama they need to then turn their attention to those elusive smokestacks on the moon. No question that their certitude will prove those "real" as well.

Hans

Now Hans...

Injecting reality so close - as in immediately after - my Dark House Conspiracy demonstrates a pre-planned rebuttal...as if you knew it would be necessary. Either you've been duped into making this defense or you've gone over to the Dark Side.

Still, there's Sandy Burglar! And there's more than riches involved in this caper, and that's why the truth is safely hidden away from the prying eyes of lesser gods like Clinton and McCain.

"Either you've been duped into making this defense or you've gone over to the Dark Side."

I cannot tell a lie: the Dark Side.

Hans

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