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Monday, November 24, 2008

The U.S. government moved to bail out Citigroup, agreeing to shoulder most potential losses from $306 billion of its toxic assets and inject $20 billion of new capital, its biggest effort yet to prevent a big bank from failing.

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Somebody needs to start arresting both the politicians and these corporate criminals.

Death sentences should be handed out by the THOUSANDS. High crimes and treason for all of them.
Dont forget the 2 most prolific mass murderes of our time, criminal bush, criminal cheney, and all their fellow conspirators.

It would also seem that obama is cut from the same cloth as the rest. Just another lying, coniving con artist.

Why do you keep electing corrupt people to office?
Seems his economic plans pump tens of billions of dollars into the pockets of the current criminals in power, and very little for the people.

This release of money to various and sundry businesses WITHOUT A BUSINESS PLAN, is beyond justification. The United States here is the lender of last resort. What "lender" would provide money without "a plan" for its repayment, and also demonstration of a viable ability to repay the money.

The auto industry-UAW ploy is a case in point of a request for money without any prospect of a floundering industry gaining the ability to maintain itself. The major political operator here is the UAW, which has a hold on the Democrat Party.

The auto industry chiefs fly to D.C. for the evaluation of their request in private jets. Not good PR, and probably indicative of the arrogance of these elites.

The industry has been failing for what, more than a decade now, and all they have done is dissipated their resources. Crunch time. The government has a pension rescue fund for pensions of $50,000 or less, doesn't it, so the taxpayer will pick those up. Then the contracts need to be rewritten to pay the semi-skilled labor what it merits on the open market, the inept executives have got to go and not be paid exorbitant fees for running a failing enterprise, and the whole industry model needs to be changed. It seems to be time for bankruptcy and restructuring. Maybe the various "l;ines" could be sold off to individual entrepreneurs, who have a plan and risk their own money, or private money which thinks their plans to be viable. Some will sink. Some may prosper.

What "lender" (John Q. Public), will lend money under the current circumstances. (Probably your money will indeed be used because of the corrupt political system.)

The bank bailouts have involved "trillions" of dollars to date, almost all of it under the radar. It should be "jailhouse time" for both industry executives and politicians. But it's thievery that isn't illegal. What is it they used to say, back when the USSR was a seeming competitor, "Comes the revolution, we'll all eat borscht." It's to bad that the flimfalm men cannot at least be scapegoated. Who will the scapegoats be?

Keep in mind that the bank bailout money was given without strings limiting its use to a provident purpose, and without any mandated "plan" for increasing liquidity, or for repayment. Those inculpated either by cupidity or stupidity, should be "retired" after presenting the "thievery" as an emergency undertaking. It was not. Is there anyone so unsophisticated as to believe that the what , hundreds or thousands of pages of laws could have been written overnight. That's logistically impossibe. The thieves knew exactly what their scam was, and the non -existent "emergency" declaration was used to stampede the public into accepting it. Thievery. Scam. Lies and deceit.

Took a chance Friday and bought 500 shares of Citi - time will tell if a good move or not.

WTF??? Did anyone else notice they are starting to use the word, "rescue" in these articles? Makes it sound the Fed is Superman or somethin'. Fucktards-- propagating bullshit.

On the day of reckoning, rescue my fist from your face, ya fucking assholes.

My biggest concern in all this is the Fascism potential. As long as the Fed just loans the money and does not attempt to form a type of Government merger by where the Government assumes a leadership role in the markets it is investing in, markets might restore themselves. In a time when Government seeks greater and more broad power in everything it can get it's hands on, it is not unreasonable to think the Government might tie oversight/control to it's bailouts.

There is a 100% record of Government's failure to compete with the private sector. Private schools are superior to Public, Private health care is superior to Military health care, etc. If the Government wrangles control of the banks, the auto industry, the real estate industry and others, we can rest assured they will corrupt and destroy them, too. Fascism is a poor business model. I prey Obama doesn't go that far.

Lib,
Private schools score higher on aptitude tests because they can select the pupils they want to teach. Military health care is health care that is outsourced to cronies in private industry.

I believe that we (through our government)have every right to demand that any business that we give our tax dollars to should be required to do business as we see fit through regulations. Or fail.

You have to demand the type of government you want.

But I know you already knew that and you were just letting off a little steam :>)

I was a mouse click away from 10,000 shares friday msgt, oh well. the bailout however proves they had a negative net worth, because their assets were horrendous. IF anyone had purchased them over the weekend, it would have been for below fridays 3.65ish closing price, AKA a "take under"

"I believe that we (through our government)have every right to demand that any business that we give our tax dollars to should be required to do business as we see fit through regulations. Or fail."

Wiki goes into depth on the fascist economic model. Here are some info Wiki offers on the topic that I have disagreement:

> An inherent aspect of fascist economies was economic dirigisme, meaning an economy where the government exerts strong directive influence, and effectively controls production and allocation of resources.

> In general, apart from the nationalizations of some industries, fascist economies were based on private property and private initiative, but these were contingent upon service to the state.

> Historian Gaetano Salvemini argued in 1936 that fascism makes taxpayers responsible to private enterprise, because "the State pays for the blunders of private enterprise... Profit is private and individual. Loss is public and social.

However, I do agree with other aspects:

> Fascism also operated from a Social Darwinist view of human relations. Their aim was to promote "superior" individuals and weed out the weak.

As to the Miltary Health care, here in Garrison, after I went to the med center on post, I was required to make and appointment to make an appointment (yes, an appointment to set an appointment) to see a specialist about my lower back pain. I've been trying for more than a month to see an actual military doctor. I expect that this doctor will set an appointment for me to have some tests and then set an appointment to have those tests reviewed. Then I can set an appointment with a therapist who will require me to set an appointment begin corrective measures. If no one loses any paperwork, I could be on my way to resolving my back pain by early-mid spring. Problem is, paperwork often does get lost and we have to start over at the beginning to get back in sync. The Army actually has paperwork to document and confirm the transfer of paperwork so we can argue that it was the other guy who lost it. Meanwhile, I am forbidden to see an outside doctor unless I spend my own money. I've been researching catastrophic injury insurance in the event I have a serious medical problem so I can leave post to get some immediate care. A private sector safety-chute, if you will.

There are 100 criminals in Congress RIGHT NOW. Why wont we arrest them?

its a brand new type of socialism! you know, the kind that funnels money to the super rich at the expense of the middle class?

So the lazy incompetents at GM, Ford and Chrysler are not worthy of money, but the lazy incompetents at Citi, Shearon, AIG were?

its a brand new type of socialism! you know, the kind that funnels money to the super rich at the expense of the middle class?

#10 | POSTED BY GL0BAL74

That started with the Raygun revolution and has not slowed one bit since.

What a riot jimmy, I guess bill clinton's love affair with nafta and bernie ebbers can be forgotten by those looking to create anxiety, amongst the uninformed.....

In case some of you marxists, and your brain dead followers miss this point, little black boy is not going to straighten out the economy, let's get this in perspective, he and his assclowns do not have any other solution than the one that the commie marxist in the U.S. have been using since f.d.r.( another commie piece of shit, prolonged the GREAT DEPRESSION to gain more power), tax the American people into oblivion, then take the credit. obama is nothing more than the same old same old.
little black boy has flushed HOPE down the toilet, and with all the clintons and their cronnies working for obama, will someone please tell me where the fuck this CHANGE is that we heard so much about.
Welcome to the banana republic of the obamination.
Camel Lot, Camel Lot
Watch out for that camel snot

Show me ONE Socialist OR Communist World leader that lived in the Style of the Majority of his Countrymen before, during, AND after his leadership.

I.E. He did not live in wealth and Oppulance at the expense of his peolpe.

First of all WIKI is NOT a credible source of information. It is a CIA (dis)information site whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

As far as your medical condition I am sorry about that, I am ex-military myself but you were at a private facility where all this took place even if it was on a base. It is planned obsolescence.

Republicans have indeed implemented a fascist government (Corporate control) and if we are lucky the democrats will bring it back to democratic socialism.

bloomberg.com

$7.7 Trillion...

At the rate this government is growing I predict it will be under ten years before we measure our federal budget in Quadrillions.


Took a chance Friday and bought 500 shares of Citi - time will tell if a good move or not.

#3 | Posted by MSgt

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Funny, I had the same hunch on Friday and bought up 500 too :)

Turned out to be a good investment, and sold into the strength this afternoon :D

This release of money to various and sundry businesses WITHOUT A BUSINESS PLAN, is beyond justification...

The auto industry-UAW ploy is a case in point of a request for money without any prospect of a floundering industry gaining the ability to maintain itself. The major political operator here is the UAW, which has a hold on the Democrat Party.-- #2 | Posted by Johnson

(1) They've been turned down for precisely the reasons you cite, unlike the banks.

(2) While I agree that U.S. auto companies have been mismanaged for decades, they actually played no role in the current crisis -- they're merely collateral damage.

The auto industry chiefs fly to D.C. for the evaluation of their request in private jets. Not good PR, and probably indicative of the arrogance of these elites. -- #2 | Posted by Johnson

Yes, and the Democratic Gov. of Michigan, Granholm, was among those expressing their disgust.

Have you seen a careful cost-benefit analysis? Do you know, for example, how much bankruptcy of the auto industry would cost the federal government in the form of pension guarantees and health care costs? ...what it would cost states in unemployment expenditures? ...etc.?

I'm not willing to give in to my disgust with the industry's decades-long mismanagement just yet.

Some of you may be interested to know that Bank of America used its some $6+ BILLION in bailout money to buy shares of a Chinese bank.

Is that what our taxpayer dollars are for? A gift of capital to a rich bank?

Some of you may be interested to know that Bank of America used its some $6+ BILLION in bailout money to buy shares of a Chinese bank. --#21 | Posted by johnjkavanagh

From a NYT article a month ago:

It is starting to appear as if one of Treasury's key rationales for the recapitalization program namely, that it will cause banks to start lending again is a fig leaf, Treasury's version of the weapons of mass destruction.

In fact, Treasury wants banks to acquire each other and is using its power to inject capital to force a new and wrenching round of bank consolidation. As Mark Landler reported in The New York Times earlier this week, "the government wants not only to stabilize the industry, but also to reshape it." Now they tell us.

Indeed, Mr. Landler's story noted that Treasury would even funnel some of the bailout money to help banks buy other banks. And, in an almost unnoticed move, it recently put in place a new tax break, worth billions to the banking industry, that has only one purpose: to encourage bank mergers. As a tax expert, Robert Willens, put it: "It couldn't be clearer if they had taken out an ad." www.nytimes.com


Funny that no one has tried to put a stop to this, isn't it?

wow... that's the first time I've seen that, thanks for pointing it out, pheonix. Till now, I just assumed that the very opposite would be true. I thought the "too big too fail, too big to exist" logic was in play.

Scary stuff.

"First of all WIKI is NOT a credible source of information. It is a CIA (dis)information site whether you want to acknowledge it or not."

#17 | Posted by Prolix247

The Wiki page had 78 references from private authors, speeches and university studies. I'll dig around those references a bit and see if any of them are false or misleading. Much of the piece seemed to emulate Republican style economics with the only deviation being the Quasi-Government partnerships that I fear this country may be moving towards. The partnership stuff seriously disturbs me but, perhaps you are right.

"As far as your medical condition I am sorry about that, I am ex-military myself but you were at a private facility where all this took place even if it was on a base. It is planned obsolescence."

#17 | Posted by Prolix247

Actually, we don't have any private facilities here in South Korea. There are no South Koreans or US Civilians in the Med Center. It's strictly US Army run and US Army staffed.

Prolix247,
I also currently live under DoD healthcare (aka Tricare). A lot of the dependent and retiree population use private doctors in a Medicare style system. However, most active duty personnel see active duty doctors and staff > 80% of the time. In the last 7 years, I've only seen one civilian doctor (an ENT), and he was a contractor working in the base hospital.
For my family I use the option to pay a little more money but let them be seen by a regular civilian doctor because the care they receive is so much better. The design of the system makes the goal of public health care doctors want to treat their patients as cheaply as possible. Private doctors, however, want to make their patients as happy as possible (to keep their customers).

"Have you seen a careful cost-benefit analysis?....

#20 | Posted by Phoenix
Cost benefit analysis, what a great question. Notice how infrequently the obama administration will use that term. I am especially consider about the irrational alt energy/carbon tax bullshit...but I digress.

Why do you ask that pesky question? In actuality these bank collapses are breaking new ground. We are in unchartered waters, and no real C/B statements can be trusted. As for the objective of the bailouts, to encourage new loans, or to consolidate the banks...let's face it, the objective is to keep the US financial system solvent.

In previous banking failure cycles, a hunker down mentality prevailed. Banks not only didn't make loans, they even turned away deposits. They tried to shrink their balance sheets, so as to improve their net worth ratio. Most banks shrank in the early 90's.

Do you want to know two which bucked the trend? 2 little banks in north carolina, who grew and expanded, while others "hid". They were; FNB of NC , and some other podunk, hic bank. They grew to become Wachovia Bank, and Bank of America


They will all fail.

Govco. is a criminal entity, these bailouts are subversive acts against the nation. There is NO authority for these criminal interventions in these corrupt institutions.

Every congress person, senator, and all their cronies placed into unlawfull positions of power MUST be arrested and brought to justice.

By the people.
We, the People, whom have absolute authority.

It's in there, baby.

Frosty,
You are partially correct about the public/private care through Tricare/Medicare/Private Doctors. What matters the most is whether you have an HMO (Health Maintenance) plan or a PPO (Preferred Provider)plan.

Under an HMO plan a doctor gets paid a capitation payment each month whether he sees you or not. so if this doctor manages your illness well he will make a substantial amount of money. The caveat here is if this doctor becomes greedy he can scrimp on your care to maximize his profit.

PPO doctors only get paid when they treat you. They will get a higher disbursement than the HMO doctor but they must treat you to get paid. The caveat with this doctor is if they get greedy they may request redundant tests in order to increase their billings to insurance companies which will stick you with higher out of pocket costs.

I would bet Tricare (private industry) uses an HMO model and uses military personnel to reduce costs and for training.

Under Medicare you can chose either an HMO or PPO model.

#1 | Posted by gitmboy at 2008-11-24 09:10 AM

Somebody needs to start arresting both the politicians and these corporate criminals.

Death sentences should be handed out by the THOUSANDS. High crimes and treason for all of them.

Dont forget the 2 most prolific mass murderes of our time, criminal bush, criminal cheney, and all their fellow conspirators.


But your buddies at Guantanamo should be well-treated, should not be abused ... because?

Because of shit for brains, a common affliction of the dr left.....

Frosty,
I am an active duty retiree on Tricare Prime. Because of OEF/OIF, I cannot use the nearby Navy hospital to see AD providers, so am forced to use the Tricare "network providers" civilian docs & pay the $12 copay. No big deal financially, but the docs are crap in my opinion. Tricare will not compensate comparable to UHC, Bluecross, etc., which I have had several tell me flat out--while they were treating me! There are good docs on AD, you have to evaluate each doc on a case-by-case basis.

Little black boy can roll out whatever the hell he wants. The bottom line to this marxist mess is simple. You have a shitload of baby boomers getting ready to retire, social security is broke, medicaide and medicare is bust, free house for the lowlifes, free health care for the lowlifes , while driving up the costs of those items. Now where the hell is all the money going to come from when these people want it? These are liberal programs that were allowed to turn into money eating monsters, the give aways, then the fucking marxists invite 38 million illegals into the country in return for their votes, overcrowd classrooms, steal entitlements paid for by Americans, send money south of the border to all the social security frauds. I hope the U.S. military realizes that whenever they want to stop this destruction from within, a country they swore to defend, that there are 50 million Americans that will help take this country back from these parasites, drive them out of all government offices, secure the borders, secure the coast lines.Or start splitting up the country, let the fucking marxists have a state or 2 like new york and vermont, then start eliminating the welfare programs in the conservative states, watch all businesses bail out of the marxist shitholes.Start drilling off of the coast of california, north carolina, florida. Let the girly boy marxists ride their bikes.
These worthless marxist fucks tried to make it look like capitalism failed, when it was the socialist, marxists ideology that is bringing America to it's knees.

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