Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Saturday, November 22, 2008

Gail Collins: Thanksgiving is next week, and President Bush could make it a really special holiday by resigning. Seriously. We have an economy that’s crashing and a vacuum at the top.

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Nice thought, but that'd still leave Cheney running things.
Though I have less fear that Cheney would see the death of the GOP as a reason to kick off the endtimes than georgeforjesus might.

Good things come to those who wait.

As things go along, I start to realize more and more how George Bush has screwed up the Republican party. Although I agree with him in principle, he really has done some damage to the U.S. and it's history. I dont believe he hurt us as bad as liberals or the world would like us to believe, but invading Iraq, in hindsight, wasnt the thing to do. But I do understand why he did it. Seeing it strategic wise, it would have been nice to have two muslim friends surrounding Iran. But his knowledge of muslim factions and customs was lacking, and now we are where we are. I just pray to god Obama the messiah doesnt turn into Jimmy Carter. That would be the worst thing of all.

Has Gail Collins ever heard of that god damned piece of paper called the Constitution? Just curious.

As things go along, I start to realize more and more how George Bush has screwed up the Republican party. Although I agree with him in principle, he really has done some damage to the U.S. and it's history. I dont believe he hurt us as bad as liberals or the world would like us to believe, but invading Iraq, in hindsight, wasnt the thing to do. But I do understand why he did it. Seeing it strategic wise, it would have been nice to have two muslim friends surrounding Iran. But his knowledge of muslim factions and customs was lacking, and now we are where we are. I just pray to god Obama the messiah doesnt turn into Jimmy Carter. That would be the worst thing of all.

#3 | Posted by another rat jumping off the sinking ship at 2008-11-22 06:11 PM

"lacking"

Perhaps "nonexistent" would be a better word; Like LBJ's knowledge of Vietnam.

Has Gail Collins ever heard of that god damned piece of paper called the Constitution? Just curious.
#4 | Posted by member2586

The question is, have you?

Everything Collins suggests in her piece, no matter how improbable and unlikely to happen, is well within the Constitution.

You're aware the Constitution was amended sometime back to move the inauguration of a new POTUS up from March to January because another lameduck president was "in charge" and doing zilch in a time of national emergency, aren't you?

No? THen look it up. You might even learn something.

Collins: "Then House Speaker Nancy Pelosi would become president until Jan. 20...."

I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy.

At least Collins didn't mention again how she has sexual thoughts of Obama this time.

If talk radio was around during the first Thanksgiving, the Bush supporters would be calling it collaboration by weak kneed liberals.

If talk radio was around during the first Thanksgiving, the Bush supporters would be calling it collaboration by weak kneed liberals.

#9 | Posted by like
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And Obama supporters would be invoking the fairness doctrine, and asking why the hell nobody is concerned about the suffering of turkeys, and the Mayflower's affect on climate change.

And an enterprising few would be figuring out how to get radio to make money. That's my crew.

"... weak kneed liberals" surely means weak-knead liberals. Or maybe week-need. herm

"I just pray to god Obama doesnt turn into Jimmy Carter. That would be the worst..."

I just pray to Gaia, Bo, that President O doesn't turn into George W. Bush. herm.

I just pray to Ra and Isis that President O doesn't turn into George W Bush.

Don't you realize that Gail Collins is being funny?

Has Gail Collins ever heard of that god damned piece of paper called the Constitution? Just curious.

She's prolly more aware of it than Dumbya who promised to uphold it twice when he was sworn in as POTUS and then proceeded to totally trash the "scrap of paper" line by line.

Bush resigining would be like Charlie McCarthy calling it quits.

Be Well.

#3 | Posted by another rat jumping off the sinking ship at 2008-11-22 06:11 PM

#5 | Posted by A sexually repressed Hans at 2008-11-22 06:25 PM | Reply

LOL. That's Okay we are going out of business now. Why wait till January.

Thanks Bush.

Yes, Collins, your stupidity is not going to change anything: yes, we have to wait until January 20, 2009 for the liberal messiah to bring in the "change" same old same old Clinton cronies.

Pooor Taksitez,
It just never gets old for you doe it?

Hehehe.... I only played to her game just for fun --- Bush is not a vacuum and she is not stupid.

As expected, liberals have not ceased to chastise Bush and promote their new messiah in glowing and miraculous implications. I'll just wait and see if Obama could multiply five loaves and two fish to satisfy the nation in a few weeks. One thing I'm sure to see on the news is that liberals will be very (very) kind to Obama.

" One thing I'm sure to see on the news is that liberals will be very (very) kind to Obama."

Takitez takes this opinion of his to justfy his being very (very) unkind to Obama.

There's logic for ya.

I think I have been very fair to Obama. Pointing out facts which liberals ignore or gloss over is not necessarily an unkind thing to do. (Can I expect any liberal here to even attempt to apologize for the way liberals have despised and insulted Bush? Maybe not! By way of comparison I can detect the liberal media to be very (very) kind to Obama --- pointing this out is simply being honest, not unkind).

liberal media? please. those assholes were your hero's biggest cheerleaders when he started his war for profit.

"Can I expect any liberal here to even attempt to apologize for the way liberals have despised and insulted Bush? Maybe not!"

Can I expect any conservative here to even attempt to apologize for the way comservatives have despised and insulted Clinton (Bill or Hillary)? Maybe not!

Hans

Hans, your point is acknowledged.

I can't defend the Clintons or the partisan witch hunts. On the social side his PC campaign debased our Constitution, and NAFTA was flawed. He should have resigned after the impeachment - his approval would gone through the roof, and Gore would be president.

Bubba ran on an economy that was already rebounding due to a change in monetary policy courtesy of Greenspan who then throttled back by raising interest rates too late to condition the tech crash. But no one seems to consider the excess capacity created to deal with the Y-2k scramble to update computers.

By contrast Bush just shoveled money to his benefactors, and now that the well is dry he's digging deeper.

"Can I expect any liberal here to even attempt to apologize for the way liberals have despised and insulted Bush?"

Absolutely not! A quote you may be familiar with is "As ye sow, so shall ye reap".

Bush is reaping the bitter harvest of his abysmal job performance and abuse of the office entrusted to him.

"Can I expect any liberal here to even attempt to apologize for the way liberals have despised and insulted Bush?"

Well, seeing as how you're expecting a Judgment Day, Heaven and all that folderol you may well be expecting it.

But it ain't gonna happen.

The murderous little thug deserves nothing but contempt.

"Can I expect any liberal here to even attempt to apologize for the way liberals have despised and insulted Bush?"

~Takitez

Let's reverse that meme shall we?

Can Spud expect any conservative here to even attempt to apologise for the way conservatives have stuck up for and been unrelenting apologists for a War Criminal president with the blood of over a million souls on his hands, who's authorised torture and kidnapping on an unprecedented scale and who's ruinous policies has slid much of the country into hunger and despair?

If there really is a God and a Judgement Day as you believe, Tak, and an interview with Saint Peter at the Pearly Gates regarding how moral you were in yer time on earth you should be made aware that that Question is definitely gonna be on that Final Exam.

Wot will yer answer be, Takitez?

How will you defend the indensible then and still expect to be treated as a good soul?

Simply saying "I believe in Jesus" aint enuff.

That might get you to the Gate but it aint gonna open the Door to the Kingdom.

Repent Sinner!

So sez Spud the atheist/recovering Catholic.

That's a serious question, btw, and Spud would seriously like a serious answer from you.

Be Well.

Isaiah 1:18 for Dethspud's consideration.

For those who are planning on banking on their own goodness to stand before God, I've got news: you will have to compare you with God.

God is holy and perfect: never lied, never sinned, never cheated, never unjust or unkind, never stolen, never rebelled .....

As for the good person: you are not a bank robber or murderer, you pay your taxes.... but have you ever rebelled, ever lied, ever stolen, ever unkind, ever lusted wrongly, ever cheated, in your entire life upto now? Because you refuse to seek God's pardon in Christ (better than Presidential Pardon issued by Clinton or Bush, btw) God will have to bring all these up to see if you qualify for heaven --- "The sea gave the dead that were in it, and death and hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done" (Revelation 20:13, YOU SEE GOD IS FAIR AND REASONABLE AND JUST, as your record will speak for you).

Presidentail pardon can be unpredictable as speculation is flying as to who Bush will pardon. But Divine pardon is predictable as anyone who repented and come under the blood of Christ will enter heaven on Christ's merit and not on the sinner's goodness.

Again, the smug goody goody person who think he is good enough for heaven without Christ may have to go through his record first, as pointed out in Revelation 20:13. Good luck!

God is holy and perfect

Except fer the Jealousy thing.

4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me,

You'd think a supposedly omnipotent, all powerful being would be slightly beyond self esteem issues but there ya go.

Hey Takitez,

You still haven't answered Spud's question as to how you would answer God if he asked you why you supported the murderous, war mongering, torture-happy George W. Bush.

Cat got yer tongue?

Maybe you think God'll accept "no comment" fer an answer or sommat?

Be Well.

Dethspud, please read the book of Jeremiah first and see how God prepared Babylon to conquer Judah --- no comparison to modern Iraq, but the principle can be in play. Some liberals tend to think all wars are bad (as opposed to some wars are unavoidable or inevitable) and then think themselves to be superior because they have opposed them. Without war America would still be a British colony. I guess Abraham Lincoln should not be lionized for going to war to keep the nation united.

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Legitimate issue above, but let's also not forget eternal destinies: good people versus sinners who repented and accepted Christ for salvation.

Offer of Divine pardon for those who repented (Isaiah 1:18; 1 John 1:5-7).

As for those depending on their own goodness to shame God into admitting them to heaven: God will find their goodness as good as filthy rags (like soiled menstrual cloth, closer to the word meaning) as indicated in Isaiah 64:6 and Revelation 20:13, based on their actual life records.

Good luck Spud...he's all yours today. :)

Good luck Spud...he's all yours today. :)

~Mr Soul.

Yer too kind!

Dethspud, please read the book of Jeremiah first and see how God prepared Babylon to conquer Judah

The OT, Tacky?

Doesn't the word of Jesus Christ in the NT supercede all previous scripture?

Does Spud somehow argue that all Wars are unjustifiable?

No, Spud does not.

Answer the freaking question that Spud has put to you twice and now asks again.

"How will you answer for your support of GWB"

Or will you deny Spud three times?

Be Well.

"God is holy and perfect: never lied, never sinned, never cheated, never unjust or unkind, never stolen, never rebelled ....."

And yet...

Ask a Christian if they believe Hitler's treatment of the Jews was evil and they will, of course, say that it was.

Then ask them why sending those Jews to spend an eternity suffering in the depths of hell (a fate far worse than the horrendous treatment they faced in Hitler's extermination camps) is not an evil act and they cannot respond.

Hans

Touche, HANS

Detspud,

I'm sorry I don't see any relevance in answering to an 'inquisition' for a war you oppose. Congress passed it and Bush executed it.

No, Jesus did not dismiss all OT stuff, for He Himself quoted from it: It is written (Luke 4:4,18).

When Paul wrote about the inspiration of Scripture, he was basically referring to the OT (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

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So, are you depending on your Catholic goodness and purgatory, or have you come under the pardon of Christ?

Hans is comparing God with Hitler. LOL.

God is just and Hitler is evil.

"God is just and Hitler is evil."

And yet:

Ask a Christian if they believe Hitler's treatment of the Jews was evil and they will, of course, say that it was.

Then ask them why sending all Jews to spend an eternity suffering in the depths of hell (a fate far worse than the horrendous treatment they faced in Hitler's extermination camps) is not an evil act and they cannot respond.

Hans

"Touche, HANS"

Thanks, AU.

Hans

Hitler was evil and a murderer and a mere human.

As for God, those who rejected His mercy will find themselves in hell through their own faults --- and though they will not like it, they will know that they are in hell because they deserved it.

That is why there is a judgment day when everyone can and will bring their case before the righteous judge. Hans will bring his case too.

Romans 14:12.

That said, God does not wish anyone to go to hell and He has provided a way of salvation though Christ. If you argue and refuse to accept God's offer of pardon, you will blame yourself for finding yourself in hell.

(As for those who died without hearing the salvation in Christ, we are absolutely not sure and God has not specifically revealed much for us to understand: but God is merciful and righteous and He will do what is right (Genesis 18:25))

So TAKITEZ all Jews are going to hell?

"As for God, those who rejected His mercy will find themselves in hell through their own faults --- and though they will not like it, they will know that they are in hell because they deserved it."

Yeah. Especially the Jewish babies killed by the Nazis.

I'm sure they will not like it either.

"(As for those who died without hearing the salvation in Christ, we are absolutely not sure and God has not specifically revealed much for us to understand: but God is merciful and righteous and He will do what is right (Genesis 18:25))"

By sending the Jews who died in the Nazi camps into an even worse hell.

But, wait a minute...

"God is holy and perfect: never lied, never sinned, never cheated, never unjust or unkind, never stolen, never rebelled ....."
Your God, who talks to you, has a strange sense of what is "just" and "kind."

You, on the other hand, are just delusional.

Hans

"never rebelled ....."

Mmmmm... I wonder who God didn't rebel against?

God's daddy?

Hans

He wont respond Hans, not to any of the ACTUAL questions or observations anyone presents to him. His god has sent him on a mission...he's going to win us over the good old fashioned 'Fire and Brimstone' way! I haven't figured out if he's(takitez) a Baptist or maybe even an Opus Dei Catholic...possibly some sect even scarier. He certainly seem to worship the dark side of his lord.

In his mind, I'm sure the observations we make and present to him, are simply a product of the devil. And therefore aren't worthy of a response.

But don't you dare call him self-righteous...

I'm sorry I don't see any relevance in answering to an 'inquisition' for a war you oppose. Congress passed it and Bush executed it.

~Tacky

Of course you don't see the relevance.

The beam in yer eye is far too large fer that.

Didn't ask about Congress or Bush.

Asked about God.

Do you think God thinks the Iraq invasion was a good act or an evil act?

Based on yer inability to form a coherent answer to Spud's question Spud'll just assume yer cool with it.

Spud'll speculate further that yer cool with it because it eliminated Saddam Hussein and his loathesome sons from the picture and that that somehow justifies the slaughter and theft and War Crimes that have taken place there as that seems ot be the standard righht wing bottom line rationale.

Spud'll re-iterate sommat he wrote earlier...

Saddam, when he was thge US's puppet in the region murdered 300,000 o fhis own peple in thirty years. THe US invasion has led to the deaths of over a million Iraqis in 5 years.

Own that.

Spud'll go even further and state that you are not a really living up to the ideals of Chrisitianity if you indeed believe in the "morality" of the Iraq "War".

/Not a War, btw. A War is sommat that occurs between two great powers. This action was that of one Military Superpower kicking the living crap out of a nation incapable of defending itself.

//The moral equivilant of Mike Tyson beating a three year old blind girl to death and then eating her remains.

Fer yer information Spud is not "depending on (Spud's) Catholic goodness and purgatory".

Spud is pretty darn sure that Man has made God over and over and over again (not vice versa) and that to date we still haven't done a particuarily good job of it.

Dawkin's notion that "Religion poisons everything" is a bit harsh and unfair by Spud's lights however.

Spud personally knows people who've come to Christ and become better, more moral people because of it and for that reason Spud is laud certain aspects of organised religion.

Spud also knows genuinely decent Jews and Muslims and Buddhists and Athiests and Agnostics and Wiccans et al.

But fer any folk to use their religious beliefs to try to stifle other people's civil rights or to try and justify wars or hate or intolerance or to precent the advancement of scientific thought, well sir, then Spud is call shenanigans on their evil ways and mocks them harshly, for that is the spuddish way.

The way, the light and the path, so to speak.

Keep yer nose clean.

Be Well.

Amen brother Spud!

Amen brother Spud!

#50 ~Mr Soul 62

Ta fer them kind words.

Be Well.

Zap, where did I say Jews are going to hell?

I notice that some liberals do hate to come across people sharing their faith. But there is no guarantee that anyone would live beyond tomorrow, for anything can happen anytime. So in that sense I'm glad to be loosely attacked as a false prophet and self-righteous --- that's a small anonymous price I had to pay for the privilege of rubbing it on liberals' nose --- God forbid, but if this is one avenue a liberal had the only chance of hearing the gospel before entering the spirit world, whether above or below, at least the message of salvation had been flashed to him. No more excuse (Romans 1:20).

Spud,
I don't normally wade into religious disputes since it is generally a waste of time.
But I do want to dispute your statement that you know people who have "found" religion (though I didn't realize that it was lost) and it made them better people.
So if they didn't "find" religion, they would never have become better people?
Gee, I always thought that maturity and the knowledge that many people gain as they go through life is what makes them better (or worse, for those who associate with the worse elements of our society), not some guy who dresses wierdly and preaches whatever gospel his religion tells him to preach!
Learn something new every day.

As far as Tak's comment about God being "perfect: never lied, never sinned, never cheated, never unjust or unkind", etc. That is the most laughable joke I have read in a long time.
"Never cheated" yet he made another man's WIFE pregnant with his Son, Jesus. Sounds like a cheater to me.

Never sinned... well he wins that one since he makes the rules and whoever makes the rules can make an exception for himself.

"Never unjust or unkind". Well riddle me this:
Is it unjust to MURDER innocent children? Well God has deliberately MURDERED millions of infants, children and young people who never grew old enough to do anything that would warrant Capital Punishment. Like the Egyptians. Because the they would not release their Jewish slaves God MURDERED every first-born man and beast in all of Egypt, no matter what their age from newborn to adult. The Pharaoh was the person who kept the Jews as slaves, not newborn children. He had sole decision making authority to either release or not release the Jews and he chose not to BECAUSE God MADE him make the decision not to release them. So God sent "the Angel of Death" to murder all first born males in Egypt.
So GOD 'hardened the Pharaoh's heart' against the Jews so that GOD could MURDER all of the firstborn of Egypt. Not because the Pharaoh wanted to but because GOD set him up in order to prove his own power as GOD.
Doesn't sound either UNJUST or UNKIND to me. But then again, I don't claim to be GOD either.

Same for Sodom and Gamorrah. "God doesn't lie". Yet GOD told LOT that if he could find even ONE honest man in Sodom, he would spare the city AND he told him he would spare his wife Sarah. Yet infants and todlers are all honest since they are not capable of being dishonest, yet GOD destroyed Sodom and Gamorrah as well as all crops and animals too. Lot's wife became a pillar of salt, only good to sprinkle on your steak.
To add insult to injury, Lot, whom GOD chose to live when he destroyed Sodom and Gamorrah made his own two daughters pregnant by sleeping with them. The older daughter's son was Moab and founded today's Moabites and his younger daughter's son was Ben-Ammi who founded today's Ammonites. So the one person spared from destruction was as much or more sinful than anyone who GOD chose to murder in those towns and certainly far more sinful than any child that GOD murdered in those towns. He had born to his daughters by him two men who created two religious sects that exist to this day.
The women are allowed to marry into Jewish families but men are not.
NOT because of how their lines were created but because they did not offer bread and water to the Jews when they fled Egypt! Those who did help the Jews were free to join the Jewish religion.

I'm not a liberal and I have no problem with Christians such as Oorah and Lisa sharing their faith. So once again your attempts to label me go awry.

We have documented evidence of you making false claims about God's intentions(thanks Hans). That's taking you lord's name in vain...big sin in your world. You have also condemned people to hell...which according to your bible is also a sin. You sir, appear to be an unrepentent sinner, which by your own definiton, will buy you a one-way ticket to hell. Repent soon my brother, you don't have much time, I've been told by people in the know, that Obama is the anti-christ. The end is near!

By the way, where's the bible verse that IMPLICITLY states that anyone who commits suicide is condemned to hell? There isn't one...the Catholic church and a few far right-wing Protestant churches, simply made that interpretation on their own.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I know my criticisms are directed straight at you takitez...not at Christians in general. I'll stand up for the good Christians any day. But I consider fire-breathing hypocrites like yourself, fair game.

But I do want to dispute your statement that you know people who have "found" religion (though I didn't realize that it was lost) and it made them better people. So if they didn't "find" religion, they would never have become better people?

~Shy Guy

That's an unanswerable question in the definitive sense. Perhaps they woulda found another way to become mature, moral, caring people but if religion, as silly as it is, was their chosen road to personal salvation and the adoption of a viable moral code then who is Spud to judge it as wrong.

After leaving the Catholic church Spud always kinda looked at Organised Religion as morality with the training wheels still on. People who need the carrot and stick of a perceived Heaven and Hell in order to stick to the straight and narrow path of morality have found a type of inner peace but one based on a type of dependence on an outside source, a support group if you will.

Religon is a rubber crutch, in other words, one that offers a type of support but which ya look kinda funny using, in Spud's ever mirthful opinion.

As far as Tak's comment about God being "perfect: never lied, never sinned, never cheated, never unjust or unkind", etc. That is the most laughable joke I have read in a long time.

Yeah, Tak's commentary rarely makes much sense and often makes nonsense.

"Never cheated" yet he made another man's WIFE pregnant with his Son, Jesus. Sounds like a cheater to me.

Joeseph is the patron Saint of cuckolded husbands around the globe fer that very reason.

Spud has this joke.

"The Immaculate Conception refers to the fact that nobody had to sleep on the wet spot."

Same for Sodom and Gomorrah

How about Lot offering up his daughters to the angry mob to rape?

And this is the Good Guy in the story?

Yeesh!

The Bible is full of contradiction and amorality.

The God of the old testament, Yaweh or Elohim depending on which set of scribes yer reading, was a jealous, angry, violent shithead who did many dumb things.

That sed, the essential message of Christianity and Judaism that of the neccessity of society adopting a moral code seems not too outdated a concept by Spud's lights.

Believing in God is not neccessary to believing in Good but it certainly seems to help some people, although, admitttedly, it seems to be counter productive in others.

Rejecting the dEvil is not as important as rejecting Evil.

If one needs religon to reject evil and embrace good by callnig them Devil and God then so be it. It's still better than having no appreciable moral code at all.

Spud's biggest problem with religion is it's seeming inability to evolve.

That and asswipes who are so simple minded they insist on interpreting a book of analogies and symbolism with dead pan earnest literalism.

People that dumb, quite frankly, scare the shiat outta Spud.

Particularily when you realise how many of them hold political office in the US.

Be Well.

I'm still wondering about:

God will find their goodness as good as filthy rags (like soiled menstrual cloth, closer to the word meaning)

So the people who wrote the first bible said "soiled menstrual cloth" and later it was revised to "filthy rags" - Takitez #35

Now why would that matter, and what is so terrible about blood?

That perfect God finds certain things distasteful?

A menstruating woman cannot be fertilized every time she has that possibility, can she? So waht's "filthy" about it?

Possibly the fact that that Perfect God finds women inferior and fit only for breeding?

Theshyguy, Sarah is Abraham's wife.... and Abraham pleaded down to ten righteous people, not one....

Well, not a place to debate all lengthy biblical points, but again, I find not only liberals but secular people out there who would huff and puff if the gospel is shared to them --- the natural response. Also they have their own OPINIONS about everything and would not LISTEN.

I know several of you would come back with all kinds of arguments, but in fairness, try to come to a reasonable agreement (Isaiah 1:18, let us reason together) about God (tons of books and arguments can be generated on this alone, but just think on this point below).

1. The Bible contains the self-revelation of God: God introducing His charesteristics and what He expects of man. He wants justice, mercy and humility (Micah 6:8).


(Immaculate conception (the idea that Mary was sinless) is not biblical, but a Catholic creation and they stand by it)

(Immaculate conception (the idea that Mary was sinless) is not biblical, but a Catholic creation and they stand by it)

And doesn't every Catholic, Roman and Anglo, have to repeat that THEY believe in the Immaculate Conception, at every service?

The Anglican Creed certainly does, unless they changed it since I went.

The testament of Spud:
And so mortal man, sorely taxed, bowed his head and prayed to his God; "Oh Great Spud, what shall I do with my life?" And Spud, ever a wise God, told his faithful follower,"Figure it out yourself, dummy!! Whadaya think I gave you a brain for-- And thus is the word of the Great Spud--

"Figure it out yourself, dummy!!
#59 | Posted by jrod54

Somebody else said it like this:
"Think for yourself, schmuck!"

Sitdown, there is nothing terrible about blood --- in fact long before modern science came to know about it, the Bible declared that life is in the blood (think of people in the past bleeding themselves to cure certain ailments).

(The punishment for sin is death: so the death (blood) of Jesus had to take place to pay for human sins --- hence anyone coming under Christ has escaped the penalty of sin)

Coming back to the menstrual blood: for the Israelites, menstrual blood is ceremonially unclean, so the idea was something unclean and unacceptable before God. Not that blood in itself is unclean or unholy.

All human righteousness cannot equal the perfection and holiness of God. All mankind has fallen short (Romans 3:10). That is why being good alone does not qualify for entry into heaven.

Many people think that somehow if there is a heaven God would surely consider accepting them, because they pretty much lived a decent life (not robbed a bank, murdered, raped, etc).

Here is a quote from PLAYING WITH FIRE --- Do Nice People Really Go to Hell? (by Jay Carty)....

"If you were what we call dead and you were standing before the gates of heaven as a voice boomed out saying, "By what right do you desire to enter my heaven?" What would you say?

(continue next post)....

Continued from post #61....

"Perhaps your response would be, "Uhhhhhhh, I was a good person. I was born in the United States and I never murdered anybody."

"A good person?" the voice might say. "Compared to whom?"

Timidly, you might respond after stammering and stuttering, "Hitler."

"Yes, you compare well to Hitler, but how do you compare to Christ? He is the standard. You must either be as good as Jesus or have His recommendation to get into this place. I know you aren't as good as He is, so will He stand up for you? Have you stood up for Him? Do you know Him? Are you a friend of My Son?"

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You might find yourself here (Romans 3:19-20).

Well, I see someone is, once again, doing his damned best to make people run away from God.

Yep, nothing like "the privilege of rubbing it on liberals' nose" Real God-like, there. Maybe that was God talking to him. He seems to have the corner on that market.

Meanwhile...

BTW Takeitez,

Take the advice of your handle, most people on this board arent looking to be saved. Take it ez man...

Calm down. The end is coming, but neither you or me or anyone knows when that is. Tell em the message, but after that, get back to politics, what this message board is all about.

And stop listening to false prophets. Read the bible and get your own interpetation, not someone elses.

#40 | Posted by boaz at 2008-11-23 06:06 PM

Hans

ooops.... the quote is from posts #59-60, not #61.

Catholic beliefs....

1. "Perpetual Virginity". That Mary never had sex with her husband after giving birth to Jesus and remained a virgin all her earthly life.

Mary was a virgin when the Holy Spirit miraculously implanted Jesus into her womb --- because Jesus was sinless and could not have any biological human father.

But after Jesus was born Mary had intimate relationship with her husband just like other couples and had sons and daughters as Jesus' siblings.

2. "Immaculate Conception." To Catholic mind, to regard Mary as the mother of God, Mary ought to and was sinless.

Again, Mary was innocent, god-fearing and a virgin when she conceived Jesus. But she was like any other girls and as human as we are. God simply borrowed her womb to enter the human world to show His love for humans. A meeting of the divine and human.

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The seed of the woman, Genesis 3:15. God promised that one day a man born of woman will come and defeat Satan. Biologically speaking, women have no seed, their womb simply carry and nurture the seed. God never said that the seed of man will defeat satan. So here the birth of Christ (not from man) through Mary was predicted long long ago.

These total hardcore God freaks crack my up.

The believe the world just poofed into creation, no evolution but........God had to impregnate a virgin and have her raise the fetus for him.

Just too funny, can't see evolutio on one side of the coin.

Pay him no attention...he's a fraud and a hypocrite. By his own standards, we have documented him to be an unrepentant sinner. Yet, he continues to proselytize and judge. He's inability to see his own flaws, is typical of the self-righteous. He's mission is too improve us lowly heathens, not himself.

He is amusing though. I've had too much free time the last few days, with the wife and child out of town. And he has kept me very entertained. :)

Thanks for all the compliments. Keep them coming. This is nothing in comparison with the Hindu attacks on the Christians in Orissa. I'm having it good here.

Matthew 5:11-12. Thanks.

I'm not attacking Christians...I'm attacking ONE self-righteous asshole. Takitez needs to Takitpersonally...because that's definitiely my intention.

Of course if you could be honest, you know that's my TRUE intention. You just prefer to deflect my criticisms of you personally, and turn them into some bogus attack on all Christians. That's understandable, the self-righteous aren't generally comfortable with self-analysis.

Obama has not yet taken office, and he has already demonstrated more positive leadership than GWB has in the last 7 plus years.

Really Dufus? Please itemize one demonstrated act of leadership comparable to handling the immediate days after 9/11?

What exactly did Bush do after 9/11 (other than stare blankly while listening to children read a story about a goat)?

I guess he:
a.) gave a speech, thereby proving he could read.
b.) launched a pre-emptive invasion of a country that had nothing to do with the attack
c.) pointed the finger of blame at Democrats for it
d.) sold weapons to the country from which most of the hijackers came

"God is holy and perfect: never lied, never sinned, never cheated, never unjust or unkind, never stolen, never rebelled ..... "

I think "He" farted once. That's a sin. Rained 40 days and nights. herm

"God is holy and perfect: never lied, never sinned, never cheated, never unjust or unkind, never stolen, never rebelled ..... "

As long as you, um...pass over...slaughtering innocents.

he has already demonstrated more positive leadership than GWB has in the last 7 plus years.

#67 | Posted by dufus at 2008-11-24 05:16

You sure about that? What has he done so positive?

The markets are tanking 20% since he won.

He is nowhere to be seen except to "roll out" his cabinet.

From his hotel conference room in a Chicago hotel--"The Office of the President Elect".

lol

Murphy you really turned out to be a sore loser, didn't you? Now you're turning into an echo of Dick Morris, which is even worse.

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