Kids don't care about each other nowadays.

Kids don't care about anything nowadays. They've been too desensitized and have no empathy.

I encourage anyone who wants to commit suicide to do so, and if there is anything I can do to assist you just ask.

So long as people such as NoGov fail to understand that suicide is almost always the result of mental illness, and not the result of clear deliberative mental processes, tragedies like this will continue. It is my belief that one of the greatest changes a magic wand could accomplish would be to get our society to actually understand that mental illness really exists and really is an illness. Too often the ignorant masses disregard or disbelieve what is so clear to the medical profession. In a way, disbelief in mental illness is medicine's analogy to bible thumpers disbelief in evolution.

When there is absolutely no hope, there is no other answer, no other cure than death. That is the frame of mind that cannot see that time is the great healer, a liberator of that hopelessness. You have to wait it out. You have to somehow reach a moment of clarity, just a splinter on the ocean that keeps you afloat so time can take over.

Good riddence.

Does everyone see the irony of an internet troll like WisGod saying "good riddance" in relation to the suicide of another popularly identified internet troll? Gotta love it.

In fact, I can think of a few trolls here I'd be willing to donate a webcam to if they're getting any ideas from this guy.

"In fact, I can think of a few trolls here I'd be willing to donate a webcam to if they're getting any ideas from this guy.

#9 | Posted by JOE "

Yeah, me too. One of them has 3 letters in his name, which begins with "j" and ends with "e".

Does everyone see the irony of an internet troll like WisGod saying "good riddance" in relation to the suicide of another popularly identified internet troll?
moder8

I see your point. It's right above your shoulders.

We must feel other's pain. Life is so precious and in mocking this tragic figure we mock Santa, apple pie, and crop circles. What if it was your brother-in-law...would you still turn cold towards him. Even if he was screwing your girlfriend, you should still feel empathy. We are all connected...like the mighty algae, and when one falls, the whole population gets eaten by a passing flounder. Pity...pity, gentlemen.

So we had one teen and about 1,500 viewers giving mutual consent?

I guess there's really nothing to complain about here. Afterall, they were adults agreeing to something. What's the big deal?

Interesting thread, seems like the Righties all responded the same way a sociopath would respond.

Explains a lot.

I'm always struck by the fresh, original takes from you clowns.

We are an individualized narcissistic voyeuristic society which has abandoned the concept of common good. This was a sterile suicide that garnered many participants. I would suggest finding all those viewers and send them to volunteer at the nearest county morgue or childrens cancer center so they can see first hand what death is really all about.

Oh well, one less shit-eating moron to worry about.

#8 | Posted by JOE at 2008-11-21 01:35 PM | Reply |

Possibly, but shit-spewing gobs such as yourself just keep on giving sooooo much.

I feel about this the same as I do about Dr. Death. If a person does not have rights over their own life then have no rights at all.

Sometimes its not about mental illness sometimes its about a crushing pain that will not go away and as much as we want to believe it time does not heal everything.

This man was an adult and we don't know what his life was like or what pain he was dealing with.

I wonder how many of these classless and callous posters call themselves 'christians'?

WWJD? Indeed....

RIP

Suicide is selfish and sad.

And he was not a man. Nor an adult. Most real men and adults deal with problems head on. They don't kill themselves cuz times are tough.

And this kid went thru the same garbage as Chris Benoit did. Inject, lift, rage, depression, repeat.

Luckily this kid only downed himself and didn't pull a mass murder takedown.

DS3M, you display a complete lack of understanding of mental illness. You treat the suicide as if this person is thinking clearly, unburdened by the illness which no doubt lead to the act. Learn something about clinical depression and mental illness before shooting from the hip and posting something so ignorant (and even offensive).

Moder8, did you know this kid, or just assuming that he had a mental defect?

So MODER8, are you saying that there are circumstances where a person's right to decide for himself, and others mutual consent with him, is to be overrided?

So tell us how you know when "mutual consent" and a person's "free choice" is to be suspended for your superior standard?

Boy. TheOneBs, you sure are arrogant and presumptuous. As stated above, do a little reading about suicide before making bold stupid proclamations. The number of Kervokianesque (-get out of overwhelming physical intreatable pain) suicides is less than 1%. The number among people as young as the deceased in this instance is probably less than 0.01%. Get a clue, and don't be so arrogant.
On the other hand, the vast vast majority of suicides result from a variety of serious mental illnesses, - most of which can be treated via medication and therapy.

Mod,

While I agree there is unclear thinking, I disagree that it is caused only by a mental illness.

Moder8-

Theo is trying to bait you into comparing the "choice" of taking one's life with consenting adults entering into same-sex marriages.

I'm sure the teen would be offended at you telling him that he's mentally ill.

Did you know that society once said the same of homosexuals? Don't be so quick to condemn somebody with your prejudicial reductionisms. The young man was born this way; who are you to judge?

You are right SanAn. Just another disingenous poster with an agenda.

And for what it's worth, who cares whether a mentally ill person is offended by being correctly characterized? That is a non-issue strawman for purposes of this discussion. The condition is the issue, not whether a person is happy to have the condition identified.

And for what it's worth, who cares whether a mentally ill person is offended by being correctly characterized?

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Characterized as what?

A 19-year old named "CandyJunkie" on a BodyBuilding forum and you jackasses make jokes about it. What a bunch of sickos.

I want to hope that your own children grow up to do something like this, but I can't.

A tragic, sad waste of a life. And society doesn't really seem to give a damn anymore.

"....the 19-year-old Floridian was apparently egged on by commenters on Justin.tv and fellow forum users..."

Why do people do this?

Why do people yell 'jump' to people on rooftops threatening to jump?

Do they not get their fill of death on TV and online?

Pains the heart. Solemnly. Sorry for his parents and close ones. He went straight to hell. The split second his spirit departed from the body, he knew he was in hell already with all his consciousness and memory intact. Eternity. No second chance.

Mary Baxter.

23 minutes in hell.

Google the above. They were revealed for the benefits of those who are still alive but are headed for hell, unless they turn around.

'He went straight to hell'

Is your self-righteous nonsense what this thread really calls for? Is this how your Jesus would react to this situation. You are truly a sad witness for what you hold so dearly...

So long as people such as NoGov fail to understand that suicide is almost always the result of mental illness, and not the result of clear deliberative mental processes,

#4 | Posted by moder8

I guess you could say that it is strengthning the gene pool then.

I am telling the truth in love, and for serious thinkers to take note and 'turn around'.

Yes, with sadness and in all seriousness 'this guy went to hell'. I'm sorry but I can do nothing about it.

Hell is so terrible that those who find themsellves there plead for anyone to warn the living (on earth) to avoid hell. That includes clueless MRSOUL62.

I stand by my initial impression of you Takitez...you are a sad witness for your beliefs. Nothing you've ever posted on the site makes me feel that your soul is any better off than mine. I actually sleep well knowing that even if you happen to be right about Jesus...my soul has less to fear on Judgement Day than yours.

Thx, MRSOUL62. I appreciate your bravado.

It's not bravado...I'd gladly take Hell if meant I didn't have to spend eternity with people like you. :)

Oh, I see, another smug liberal who is not afraid of hell.
You are even hinting at being better than Jesus. Yes, you are allowed even to spit in my face if you can --- just because I said a realistic fact about hell to warn others ( maybe not you, because you seem to have enough confidence to shame God into making you feel superior). Oh, self-righteous and superman confident MRSOUL62.

I feel about this the same as I do about Dr. Death. If a person does not have rights over their own life then have no rights at all.

~SpiritUSUnum

Agreed.

Our bodies belong to ourselves. Not some imaginary God, not the state, not our families.

Just ourselves.

The entire idea that a government has a right to make suicide illegal or to criminalise recreational drug use is absolutely insane.

That sed, the Kitty Genovese comment had resonance fer Spud. Suicide as a spectator sport now just as a rape/murder was a spectator sport then.

All these people stood by and watched as this self described troll and internet masochist took his own life with a pill overdose.

"Hell is real"

Wozzit?

Ha! Spud sees Tacky still actually believes in the theological carrot and stick of Heaven and Hell.

Spud thinks that's morality with the training wheel on.

Spud's morality needs no such obvious tricks.

It's not bravado...I'd gladly take Hell if meant I didn't have to spend eternity with people like you. :)

~Mr Soul.

Reminds Spud of wot Mark Twain once sed about Heaven and Hell.

That he'd "take Heaven for the climate but Hell for the companionship"

Amen.

RIP AK Biggs aka Feels Like Ecstasy aka CandyJunkie.

We hardly knew ye, but that's prolly just as well.

Be Well.

Sorry Takitez, I don't fear something I don't believe to be real. I was simply pointing out that EVEN IF your little fairy tales come true...I think Jesus would find your judgmental and self-righteous style of proletyzing just as appalling as I do. Call it what you will, but I can't think of anything more hellish than spending an eternity with you.

Nice try with the liberal label...I am actually an independent just waiting for the true conservatives to reclaim their party and kick your self-righteous asses back to your churches and homes.

I will now leave you in peace to continue judging and condemning others. I have some serious sinning to attend to.

I see, you don't believe and so it must not be real. Yes, I see your logic. Your life, your choice. One life on earth.

As for me, I will take the words of Jesus over anyone including MRSOUL62. Jesus decalred hell to be a reality and that is that. He has shown hell to many, but I just pointed out two --- Mary Baxter and Bill Weise.

I understand the topic of hell will continue to be unpopular, but I cannot help sharing it when opportunity arises --- because I do not wish anyone to go there, and also because I do not want God holding me responsible for hiding the truth with the consequence of someone really going to hell (who could have the sense to turn around had he/she saw my message).

I've had a few email exchanges with the author of CELEBRITIES IN HELL (Warren Allen Smith).

"I think Jesus would find your judgmental and self-righteous style of proletyzing just as appalling as I do."

Satan himself couldn't ask for a better acolyte than many of the judgmental and self-righteous types found on these pages.

Good call, Mr. Soul.

Hans

So long as people such as NoGov fail to understand that suicide is almost always the result of mental illness, and not the result of clear deliberative mental processes, tragedies like this will continue.

#4 | Posted by moder8 at

Listen, this kid and anyone else who wants to commit suicide, on the internet or otherwise, can find sympathy between shit and syphilis in a dictionary. He didn't want to be alive anymore, now he's not, big fucking deal.

Someone telling th truth in love is considered 'judgmental and self-righteous' and 'preselytizing'.... LOL. That statement is the real judmental and self-righteous. And MRSOUL62 and Hans are self-righteous and judmental for judging me for telling the truth.

In their minds, there is a default arrogance to resent anyone sharing the truth of the Bible --- hence they without any second thought right away come out declaring that anyone sharing the truth of hell (which is me) as being self-righteous and judgmental.

Listen, those who are fair and reasonable, I didn't say anywhere that I am better than others --- I simply trust Jesus and the truth of the Bible and to the best of my ability and whenever relevant, I share them for others to rethink their lives and where they are headed.

So it may confuse some people and continue to anger self-righteous and arrogant people like MRSOUL62 and Hans, but I am aware their words carry no weight because they are simply arguing for argument sake, and not discussing the merit of the message which I shared.

There really is a heaven to gain and a hell to shun. Like it or not, I will continue to share the truth of the Bible.

"And MRSOUL62 and Hans are self-righteous and judmental for judging me for telling the truth."

Doesn't work that way.

"I share them for others..."

Satan himself couldn't ask for a better acolyte than many of the judgmental and self-righteous types found on these pages.

Hans

"...the good Lord just showed me."

"(Again, I've told you in advance! You be the judge!).

"God is going to vote in this election and its going to surprise the world!"

TAKITEZ

Next time the Lord talks to you, would you mind asking Him to email me a photo of hell?

My Drudge friendly email address is on my User Blog page.

"...God did say that McCain will be mocked when people say: will he die in office? (age issue); and 2. the VEEP will play a SIGNIFICANT role in this election."

I'm going to try to stay on the topic of the article here.

This guy took his own life. Was he mentally ill? Possible. But, as he did make the choice himself... although, no, it might be said that he had some "help" choosing. That I have a problem with.

But he made his choice. He could have chosen to seek assistance, but he didn't. Yes, it is an unfortunate thing that he did this at the age he did, but legally he's an adult (over 18 is "adult" in this nation). So, due to my own political leanings, I don't see a problem here... except for those who watched and egged him on. There may be a case there (but as I am not a lawyer, I don't know for certain).

Now I'm going off topic, because it's just so much fun with some of the characters here.

As for him being in hell? No, he's in the ground. I doubt he had any instructions to do otherwise (myself, I called for cremation and putting my ashes in a coffee can, no kidding, I think Lebowski's bowling buddy had the right idea), so they'll have buried him.

And just to poke the stick in the eye one more time.... one nation under God since 1956.

/thank the FSM for spellcheck.
//in de name of de pazta, and of de zauz, and of de Pinot Grigot
///RAmen

Satan himself couldn't ask for a better acolyte than many of the judgmental and self-righteous types found on these pages.

Hans

Hans, I know you a bit by now, and you seem to hate those who stand by the Bible.

Actually the devil stands for everything that is opposite of God and His truth. So yes, I know you are not the devil, but you seem to align yourself with the philosophy of the devil.

Remember a few days ago I wrote something of concern to Christians concerning gays, and you reversed everything in your stand. And here you are implying that this time Satan is happy because I am sharing the facts of hell. LOL.

LOL. The default philosophy of Hans.

"...you seem to hate those who stand by the Bible."

It isn't those who stand by the Bible (see: Oohrah).

It is those who claim that God speaks to them, who in turn think that their "proclamations" here ARE the Word.

Satan himself couldn't ask for a better acolyte than many of the judgmental and self-righteous types found on these pages.

Hans

Satan is also known as the accuser of the brethren (believers in Christ).

Hell is real and the moment a godless person dies, his consciousness and memory alerts him that he is lost forever. Fairminded people, listen to Jesus and don't go there. He died for you.

"Satan is happy because I am sharing the facts of hell."

Yes, he is.

Satan himself couldn't ask for a better acolyte than many of the judgmental and self-righteous types found on these pages.

Hans

Well, you have no credibility but you have the privilege to stand by your own deception. Free-will.

I can understand the reverse psychology you're trying to pull and eliminate very sharing of the truth from the Bible --- LOL, Satan is happy because I am sharing the facts of hell. Hans said so. LOL.

"Well, you have no credibility..."

So says the one who "speaks for God"

I shared some facts on hell....

and MRSOUL62 is not happy. Hans is not happy. Satan is not happy.

A criminal in jail for 20 years was living with his mother after his release. He won't listen to anybody, including his mother. His mother received a dvd of Bill Weise's story and this criminal watched it with great interest. At the end he declared: "I need Jesus, I need to get saved," to the surprise and joy of his mother. Six hours later he died --- and went to heaven. What a story!

"I shared some facts on hell...."

No, you didn't.

You claimed, over and over again, that you speak for God.

Satan himself couldn't ask for a better acolyte than many of the judgmental and self-righteous types found on these pages.

Hans

I don't know Hans, but I think you've presented a pretty clear case of Takitez, taking his lord's name in vain on several occasions. I believe that's one of the BIG sins. Takitez if you truly want to save people's soul, shouldn't you possess a soulful spirit? One that others might find admirable. Aspire to be someone people want to spend eternity with or continue to use fear and condemnation and chase people away. You're the one who has to answer to your Jesus for the way you treated people here on earth.

OK....back to my sinnin'!

"I believe that's one of the BIG sins."

It is, Mr. Soul.

Hans

Wow, I thought it was best to stay out of this (pointless arguing that leads nowhere) but it's getting so hilarious I had to butt in.

"Someone telling th truth in love is considered 'judgmental and self-righteous' and 'preselytizing'.... LOL. That statement is the real judmental and self-righteous..."

Takitez, I suppose it's fine if you were truly concerned for others' souls and trying to save them by speaking the "truth," I think you also need some thinking, not just loving. Did you seriously believe that what you said so far (and how you said it) would have any desired impact, let alone convert anyone's heart? Your posts practically begged for ridicule. You were practically picking a fight.

I have seen many admirable Christians who are serious about following the way of God, Jesus, their beliefs, trying their best to do things with love. Those I cannot help but admire, even if I don't share their beliefs, often do their work silently. They're rarely loud, as you're being here.

Regards.

This story really saddened me when I read it.

This boy had threatened suicide a few times before which is an obvious cry for help. Those who listened to him on the internet and initially urged him on to go ahead and commit suicide sicken me.

Maybe at first they all thought it was a joke. But it took hours before anyone even bothered to question why the kid never made a single move with his body to show he was alive? No one cared at all? Even a little?

Each one of those posters who ridiculed and urged this kid to commit suicide in their posts that night should have the words they wrote tattooed forever on their own body as a reminder they too helped to end this boy's life.

It seems today a human life has no more value to many of these kids than would the killing of some character in a video game. Sad.

Oh well, one less shit-eating moron to worry about.

#8 | Posted by JOE at 2008-11-21 01:35 PM |

why are you so sure he wanted to be a lawyer?

Takeiz,

False prophets are all around...

LOL,

Good stuff OOHRAH!!!

Over a month ago I have already read David J. Steward's expose on Mary Baxter and found it wanting. Without much ado, I simply will say that his handling of scripture is rigid and calculated simply to discredit Ms Baxter. I stand by Baxter.

It is unfortunate that many people, both believers and liberals, loosely and glibly use the term 'false prophet' to characterize anyone they dislike or anyone who has not been perfect in their sharing of scripture --- or in some cases, simply for diasagreeing on scripture passages.

One thing for sure: both Baxter and Steward agrees that hell is real.

So doctrinally and biblically , Baxter did not deviate from scripture. To give an example, Steward adheres to the dogma that ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED. And with this rigid stand he faulted Baxter for sharing that an expreacher was in hell. (By this standard, I guess the apostate and expreacher Dan Barker, founder of Freedom From Religion who is going about insulting God and chastising followers of Christ will be going to heaven after he dies --- please google his name and see if God should should let him into heaven without repentance).

Once saved always saved is a dogma long debated and there are arguments on both sides with backing from scripture.

Although what Baxter shared are considered extra-biblical (different from non-biblical), they are consistent with the reality of hell, and should God in mercy reveal things humans cannot come to know in their own power, it is to His mercy that these are revealed for the benefit of some who will respond with sincerity --- I'm aware many liberals will not, and instead will dismiss or seek to discredit.

Jesus Himself revealed some aspect of hell in Luke 16 --- that hell is a place of torment, the memory and consciousness never fades, there is constant thirst, and hopelessless.

To those mockers, you have free-will on earth; you can be arrogant till your last breath; but once you pass the physical world, you do not have one iota of power to affect your destiny.

To those who have out of curiosity checked out the story of Mary Baxter and Bill Weise, know that these people are sincere God-fearing people and 'they did not invent these revelations'.

Again scripture can be twisted to attack anything, but if you have a sincere heart and without a default mind to attack anything that is Christian, I hope to see you all in heaven someday.

Again scripture can be twisted to attack anything, but if you have a sincere heart and without a default mind to attack anything that is Christian, I hope to see you all in heaven someday.
#74 | Posted by takitez

"and without a default mind to attack"

WTF is that supposed to mean?

"I hope to see you all in heaven someday"

Your light will be extinguished and soon forgotten, just like the rest of us.

But, just in case you're right: Meet me at the corner of Pilgrim's Rest and Martyr's Mews at noon (CST) on February 29, 3986. But only if it's a leap year and only if you have enough change to buy a reciprocal round of drinks at St. Pete's Bar and Grill.

Among others, the wails of those in hell includes.....

--- why didn't my friend drag me to church to hear of salvation in Christ?

--- Why didn't my neighbor invite me to church?

--- why didn't someone confront me with the truth about hell?

--- No one cares for my soul.

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"If you not have a default mind"

Again, Sandwich Board Man, WTF is a "defualt mind"?

Doc Sarvis, there are some people who are predisposed to attacking the Bible and Christianity wihtout any restraint or second thought --- that's what a default mind is. Automatic trigger.

Their default mind is automatically triggered at the sight of Bible truth or Christian stories.

Thank you for clearing that up.

You're aware that you are also suceptible to Default Mind Syndrome, yes?

Someone once told me, either the story of christ is the greatest story ever told, or the biggest lie.

Takitez you came on this board and proclaimed that this young man was going 'straight to hell'. I never attacked your bible or beliefs. I specifically called you out on your particularly crass and self-righteous style of 'witnessing'. Had you come on this board and said something comforting and reassuring, as I'm sure your Jesus would have...I wouldn't have I felt compelled to say anything. But no, you brought condemnation in the guise of a caring and thoughtful man of Jesus who just wants to save us all from hell.

I remember somewhere in the bible it holds christians responsible for turning souls away from christ...good luck on Judgement Day.

This morning after weaning myself off this forum I had a healthy discussion about hell with my biz friend.

MRSOUL62, I expressed sorrow for his parents and near ones. As for this young man, my feeling sorrow for him is not going to help as far as he is concerned. I didn't find any suggestion or facts that he was living for Christ or that he called on God just before he passed away.

As for you, you had the arrogance to declare 'some sinning to do'. You got offended at the way I shared about hell and had been trying to use your sentiments against me and that God will judge me for that. Tell me, have you been witnessing to your friends and others when opportunity arises? You can argue here, but God will sift your motive (God is not mocked): would you be sharing information about hell had Takitez not shown up here?

Yes, I may have come across as crass, but tell me in what way have I become self-righteous?

Now that you have chastised me, I'm awaiting your 'caring and thoughtful words' (with warnings about hell at the same time). Show us that you are a better witness for Jesus.
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For those who are serious about eternal destinies, again zero in on the testimony of (YOUTUBE) Dr. Donald Whitaker (A research scientist and hardcore atheist who saw hell and survived to not only escape it but live to warn others to this day).

Please don't go to hell. God really (really) do not want you to go there. Instead of arguing with God, just take His offer and live.

(Right now I'm reading a book by Jay Carty: PLAYING WITH FIRE --- Do nice people really go to Hell?)

As Oohrah said upthread, most people have had their lives touched by suicide in some way. My heart goes out to this young man and to his family. He must have been mentally ill and/or in tremendous pain to do what he did. I hope his family finds comfort, and he finds peace. May he RIP. May he find the love and compassion in death, in the next life, whatever, wherever that may be, that he did not find in this one.

I wish there was no hell. But I was born just like any other human and I do not have the power to change or wish away certain realities. Deny I can --- for a while --- but change realities I cannot.

Preaching or teaching the Bible always offend some people. Jesus Himself offended many people in His earthly ministry.

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I'm not sure Gal_Tuesday and I share the same understanding about the next life --- but I do hope that this young man somehow in the last seconds before he died, had the sense to call on God for mercy. I do not know the last few split seconds in the mind of this young man before he died, but the dying thief on the cross who found mercy at the last minute gives us encouragment: that God will recognize any serious cry or call unto Him.

Also anyone who had been prayed for or who in the past had something of the gospel invested in their minds by friends or parents, God will even use that sliver of hope to reach them to turn around before they die. To put it in human expression, (though inadequate and beggarly) that's how desperate God is to keep us from hell. Yes, God really loves mankind and is looking for every opportunity to grab us from hell! But one thing God will not violate: FREE WILL.

There is the debate whether Samson committed suicide or died in a battle with his enemies as he pulled down the structure and died along with his mockers. I believe God recognized His unique situation and accepted him into heaven --- see Hebrews 11:32.

"As for this young man, my feeling sorrow for him is not going to help as far as he is concerned."

And you proclaiming he 'went straight to hell' is helping? I don't recall anyone on this board asking you to share any information concerning hell. We would all have been perfectly happy if you would have kept that little gem inside your narrow little mind.

If I've offended you by calling you self-righteous...why don't be a good christian and turn the other cheek? Instead of trying to defend your heartless comment, by attacking me. Also, agnostics don't make good witnesses for Jesus. It's your own fault that one has actually turned out to be a better witness than you...I certainly wasn't trying.

As I recall, your bible says that ONLY your god can determine who is worthy of heaven or hell. Are you claiming to be equal to your god? Your lists of sins keeps adding up Takitez...perhaps it's time to worry about your own backyard and not mine.

I'm done with you...so go ahead and have the last word. I know how important that is to the self-righteous, oops I'm sorry...the crass and heartless.

MRSOUL62,

I'm glad I do not need your permission to share the gospel.

My comment was calculated to enhance the reality of hell. Yes, if this young man had not called on Christ before he died, he went straight to hell. That's a fact determined by the Bible.

Oh I see, according to you, God will judge me harshly on judgment day (though not perfect, I will be under the blood of Christ when I stand before God); that I am not a good Christian for not turning the other cheek (does that include not sharing Bible truth for fear of offending some people?); and that I was not a good witness because my sharing of hell was crass. Among others. (I do undertand you will feel right before your own eyes, regardless).

Maybe MRSOUL62 does not care about the realities of hell and could care less about people going to an eternal hopelessness in hell. I'm glad you're done with me --- now you can go on with your serious business of sinning as you claimed --- and I have one less distraction in letting people come to grips with hell and heaven.

A correction: Dr. Donald Whitaker passed away on 8-10-07. Though death, his testimony still speaks --- on YOUTUBE (Hebrews 11:4).

That's a fact determined by the Bible.

That statement among other things is what makes you self-righteous. I am sure that the Mormons, Jews, Muslims, et al, also believe their little books contain facts. The only fact is that the bible is no different from other religious texts and your beliefs are no less convicted than theirs (hard to believe but true).

"a fact determined by the Bible."

Is that the same book which claims bats are birds, hares chew their cud, and the moon is a light? Because they aren't, they don't, and it's not.

Three provable falsehoods, and all before the reader gets to Exodus.

"a fact determined by the Bible."

There are damn few facts in the Bible. Plenty of speculation, superstition, flawed cause-and-effect observations, and outright fiction, though.

"Is that the same book which claims bats are birds, hares chew their cud, and the moon is a light?"

Don't forget the firmament that separates the waters below from the waters above. The waters above would be the sky. More misinformation from an allegedly infallible source.

Bats do have wings and can fly --- rigidly sticking to modern classification and refusing the antiquity of employing their own way of describing things is unfair.

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A thought on hares....

One may not give much thought to the lazy chewing of the cud that we observe cows doing all the time, but this behavior is analogous to coprophagy. The only difference between cud chewing and coprophagy is the point in the digestive tract at which nutrients are expelled and then placed back into the mouth."

Now, we must also remember that artiodactyls were first defined as a separate order in 1847 by Richard Owen and the behavior of cecotropy was first recognized in 1882. Deuteronomy, however, was written approximately 1500 BC in an ancient Hebrew. It would be intellectually dishonest for someone to claim that a 3500 year old writing is contradictory because it doesn't match with a scientific classification invented only about a hundred years ago. Further, if the ancient Hebrews defined 'cud-chewing" as that process where half digested vegetation was re-chewed by an animal for easier re-digestion ( and that is a very specific and scientific definition), I would say the hare fits here fine.

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Even today we use the terms 'sunrise and sunset', though scientifically we know better. Likewise, the ancients refer to the moon in its obvious appearance.

So a lot of people seem to be trying to take strongly callous or libertarian stance on this. Trying to argue that we should just let the kid kill himself.
While I find it ridiculous that suicide is placed under the category of "illegal" I think that at the same time it is our duty to try and prevent every possible death. While it is true that the kid may have wanted to die, that is, as someone has asserted earlier, not necessarily the product of clear thinking. He may not have enough perspective on his life to understand that things will get better. Having said that I find it understandable why suicide is illegal. Any measure that may deter someone from killing themselves is good. Because, if it is a crime, then there really is no punishment for being successful. Hence it is merely a measure that is put into place in an effort to deter even one person.

I also find this to be a sad reflection on the nature of the internet. A young man was crying for help, and he was merely pushed closer to the brink. He sought help in a place where he had been comfortable before, and he was spurned. Every single person who watched that boy die, and egged him on is at fault here. While they may not be able to stand charge in criminal court, I hope that there is some sort of karma or universal justice. This may come off as pontificating, but seriously, you can argue about liberties and such until the cows come home, but in the end a young man is still dead when he didn't need to be, and there were people who watched and did nothing or worse.

RIP sir.

Our country is setting such a good example for the world.