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Friday, November 21, 2008

President-elect Barack Obama may wait as long as 2010 to ask Congress to end the military's decades-old ban on open homosexuals in the ranks, two people who have advised the Obama transition team on this issue say. Repealing the ban was an Obama campaign promise.

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Repealing the ban was an Obama campaign promise.

Posted by kerrin57 at 11:22 AM | 0 COMMENTS | permalink | Comment on This Entry |

Ahhh, but did he ever promise WHEN he would do it?

He wants to avoid the Clinton fiasco right after he was inaugurated. It's understandable, given the recent events re gay marriage insanity (and by that I mean anti-gay marriage insanity)

May . . . delay the repeal . . . of "don't ask don't tell" . . .

Too many negatives for me to figure out. Is he for the policy, or not?

Until it's officially stated by Obama and camap, this is just another "Oh, he lied, where's the change?" paranoia-pandering fluff pieces.

Hey, I'm sure its a second term deal...just like withdrawing from Iraq.

Just Like Nixon in '68...vote for me, I've got a secret plan to end the war.

Bob Dole sandbagged an incoming Bill Clinton by putting don't ask don't tell on the agenda immediately. Obama isn't going to fall for that.


Until it's officially stated by Obama and camap, this is just another "Oh, he lied, where's the change?" paranoia-pandering fluff pieces.


#4 | Posted by revjack23
And REVJACKOFF comes in with the company line - film at 11.

Who is this camap anyway? Is he the one responsible for slavery and genocide?

If he's making half-assed excuses before he's sworn in, he's not going to do it. Good for him, BTW.

I don't know how many of you have ever been in the military, But if they serve openly..How will I be able to call my Buds "fag" and "homo" in a commaraderie type of way. That is how we talk..I just wish they would go back to if your gay, be a hairdresser

"How will I be able to call my Buds "fag" and "homo" in a commaraderie type of way."

#9 | Posted by HillBillyJihad

So that is what they are calling it these days.

Absolutely

Like when we are out in the field and a guy in my unit actually makes up his cot or roll, I would say.."What a colossal fag"..and he would reply by saying "Shut up, homo"..And hence our friendship would be bonded

More NON-Change from the Obama team. Where's the beef? Where's the Change? Same old Clinton team in the Obama administration. Same old Clinton policies. Looks like Bill Clinton is getting a 3rd term afterall. I am suprised Bill was not made Chief of Staff.

The dumb lib Democrats who fell for the Obama "change" crap are getting daily slaps of reality in the face with lying Obama.

#12 | Posted by utastaff


Hey - I read about your new endeavor. Good on ya!


UTA launches LGBT Safe Zone' initiative

By John Wright - News Editor
Nov 20, 2008 - 7:17:15 PM

Program offers training for students, faculty,staff to create supportive, affirming' environment

The Safe Zone initiative, modeled after similar programs at hundreds of colleges and universities nationwide, will offer training on LGBT issues to UTA students, faculty and staff. Those who complete the training will receive stickers that can be displayed in places like office windows or dormitory doors to indicate a supportive and affirming environment.

"That is how we talk..I just wish they would go back to if your gay, be a hairdresser"

You might reconsider if you were wounded and needed the medics...or other medical techs...I've read that if they actually removed everyone who is gay, and not really secretly so either, the military could not even function. People don't realize how many gay people they deal with every day.

My neighbor is gay and he is a freak. For some reason the hallway always smells

"More NON-Change from the Obama team... Where's the Change? Same old Clinton team in the Obama administration. Same old Clinton policies. The dumb lib Democrats who fell for the Obama 'change' crap are getting daily slaps of reality in the face with lying Obama.

Is Utah Staph catching? This piece of Salt Lake City bacteria would bitch if there were change and bitch if there were not. And all this when President Obama hasn't even been sworn in. herm

So are you saying,gays are medics and "nurses" only, is that so they can "sponge bath' unsuspecting real men wounded in battle?

"safe zones"..That is funny, is that so they don't get picked on and can go screaming like a little girl to a safe zone?...That is why they are called "gay"....Hoe "progressive"..there isn't a gay person on earth whos "lifestyle" can't be traced back to some "short-circuit" either there pop or mom was an alcoholic or drug-addict, there dad picked on them or called them names, some uncle "diddled" them when they were young. Some disfunctional life changing event. I think they ought to be classifed as "functionally handicapped" NOt some persecuted minority. Just because you enjoy playing some other guys skin flute doesn't make you special or persecuted..

"blablabla"

- ELCIDCE90

Still pissing about, are ya? Nice to see I got under your skin, you silly little troll.

Meanwhile, I believe there's a thread going on, so please, try to stay on topic.

Seems to me that BJ Willie had trouble with this one too.

resident Osama also said he would end FISA and the Patriot Act, but conveniently didn't put a timetable on it.

And, judging by his cabinet picks, 'Change we can believe in' means Washington hacks and Clinton retreads.

OMG! Osama turns out to be a calculating pol with the primary goal being the collection of power

Repealing "Don't ask Don't tell" was one of the first things that Clinton tried to do when his admin first set up shop.

The religulous right jumped on it and from that point on it was War.

The divisiveness caused by that move prevented a lot of other measures from being looked at seriously with any kind of bipartisan spirit so while Spud aint best pleased by this move by Obama he can at least understand it. Particularily in light of all the homophobic propositions that got passed in the last election due in large part to the hate-fuelled, regressive, immoral religious right who are just spoiling fer this typa fight.

Obama needs to work behind the scenes to get the votes needed in order to pass the repeal and to then present the repeal as a fait accompli but not till after his initial honeymoon period has worked wotever bipartisan productivity it can on less controversial issues.

Be Well.

Hehehe.... I feel pity for the ousted for being childish and petulant.... that they can make a big fuss out of this. LOL.
#68 | Posted by takitez at 2008-11-21

Repealing "Don't ask Don't tell" was one of the first things that Clinton tried to do when his admin first set up shop.

The religulous right jumped on it and from that point on it was War.
* * * *

Your memory is faulty. Don't Ask Don't Tell was Clinton's bill. He didn't try to repeal it--he was the architect of the thing.

WW FDR D?

How about we get the damn war over with first, ladies.

How many years did Klinger wear dresses on M*A*S*H...looking for that elusive section 8 ?

"Like when we are out in the field and a guy in my unit actually makes up his cot or roll, I would say.."What a colossal fag"..and he would reply by saying "Shut up, homo"..And hence our friendship would be bonded"

That sounds weird.

Does anybody else remember anything like that?

Where I'm stationed, We use gay jokes with love all the time. It's part of our vocabulary for a Joe to say "That's Gay" about anything they see as stupid. If someone is doing something dumb, they say "Don't be a Fag". If someone says something dumb, another will reply with "Your a Homo, shut up". The very idea that someone in out Troop might be gay is reacted to with a squirmy, contorted face. If we ever found out that someone actually was gay, most of the Joe's would be respectful to his face but, talk trash about him behind his back. The new joke would be anything involving the gay soldier and who ever you were picking fun at. Of course, the gay soldier would rapidly feel outcast and removed. I'm not sure having openly gay Joe's in my troop would be a good thing but hey, I'm speaking from a Combat Soldier's perspective. Things might be different with the POGs. After all, they are POGs.

[P.S., POG = Personnel Other than Grunts]

Hope this insider info helps.

"How many years did Klinger wear dresses on M*A*S*H...looking for that elusive section 8 ?"

It probably would have worked if Klinger gave Radar a Rusty Trombone in front of the mess tent.

a 'rusty trombone'

thats a new one for me........


and will this signal the beginning of a new class war

seriously....black voters went for prop 8 in staggering numbers and here is the first REAL black president at least delaying another plank in the gay political agenda...

will there be riots in the streets between dudes from the 'hood' against a team of interior designers

HEY you know...this opens up a whole list of jokes..
anyone else got one???

Seems to me all the military LBGTs need to do is stand up all at once and say "Yup, I'm gay." right now when they are needed most.

I'm pretty sure most of the straight folk would get over it pretty damn fast when they found out exactly how many LBGTs they depend on to make it home alive.

Obama would then be forced to act swiftly, people would just get the fuck over it already. Because that is exactly what's going to happen when suddenly straight people realize that gay people in general aren't there to molest them and their children or have big gay sex in the produce aisle.

gay sex in the product aisle????

so would that start or end in the cucumber stacks?


WW FDR D?


How about we get the damn war over with first, ladies.

#25 | Posted by bufordtjustice at


and speaking of the war???

watched forrest gump the other night and in the scene where he gets home from nam and goes to dc to get his medal of honor and he gets caught up in the abby hoffman protest thing

there is a sign in the back that says

SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME NOW

and thats pretty much what obama campaigned on....at least most of the time in primaries

so how did that work out with viet nam...I am guessing that nonone was slaughtered in south viet nam after we surrendered????? or was it just a couple of million???

and all of our soldiers were supported when they got home right???>? by these same people??? I remember something differently

HEY I know...he could get some advice from bill ayers about this???

okay so dont disappoint me

I want some humor about my war between gays and blacks over prop 8 and this issue...

maybe the night shift will have some

"I want some humor about my war between gays and blacks over prop 8 and this issue..." - BLT

Gay man, lamenting the vote on prop 8, speaks: "Blacks get to marry and all I get is the shaft."

well for an opener I guess that wasnt bad..

so what would this gang fight look like

i guess prop 8 people would all have matching outfits???

and what would be the weapons of choice???

and what would be the weapons of choice???

#37 | Posted by bushlovertwo

Justice and the Constitution would be my guess.

Hope this insider info helps.

There exists, in American military culture at least, a need to create an "other". Over time, we've gone through a whole list of "others". Now, I'm no expert on the military and "bonding" but it seems kind of childish. However, given the importance of a strong military, I can see that it might be important, so I make two suggestions.

1) Pick a permanent "other" and stick with it. Say, martians, for example.

2) Rotate through the "others" on a daily basis. Tuesday? Pollack day. Thursday? Kike day. Friday? Gook day. etc., etc.

There's one other solution, too, but it would require investigation into the repressed homoeroticism inherent in all-male organizations. And we all know that all that intellectual stuff is just too gay...

I suppose the bottom line here is to continue to do what works or choose to do what feels good. I can't help but equate this scenario to nearly every social experiment this country has tried.

For thousands of generations, there were taboo situations that were avoided for the better of the culture. When those taboo situations become acceptable, there are certain negative consequences that develop. Examples would include divorce, single parenthood, homosexuality, forced integration, weapons control, welfare, etc.

Please don't jump on me for saying those things. I'm not trying to be a one sided, homophobic, bigoted or any other label. I'm simply trying to make the point that when society deviates from the natural order of things, various consequences result. Some small, others greater.

It is my opinion that homosexuals in the military, specifically in combat units, would most likely have negative consequences that outweigh the emotional victory. As for the POGs, that is a different circumstance. Many POGs operated in a non-combat environment that is not all that different from civilian life. Other POGs directly support the combat forces and often serve side by side in dangerous situations. It's those dangerous situations that need to remain optimized. That is to say, focused and undistracted by social experimentation. The fact remains that there will always be soldiers who are creeped-out by homosexuality. That emotion could prove detrimental to a gay soldier and the unit at large if the homophobes hesitate to risk their lives to support the distressed gay soldier...not to mention the emotional distress the gay soldier would add to his already stressful mission. At a time of war, such an experiment is akin to sabotage.

GOD help us if the military should experiment with women in combat units. The distraction of emotional attachment, chivalry and genetically weaker/slower infusions into a unit would be catastrophic.

If you don't want to be jumped on, then don't use words like "natural". Your sentence works better and is more honest if it's changed to: I'm simply trying to make the point that when society deviates from the traditional order of things, various consequences result. Society, by definition, is a construct, defined by social norms and expectations.

There is nothing more "natural" about today's military with its prohibition of homosexuality than there was about ancient military organizations which encouraged homosexuality.

There exists, in American military culture at least, a need to create an "other" ....


FOLLOWED BY .......


There's one other solution, too, but it would require investigation into the repressed homoeroticism inherent in all-male organizations.

#39 | Posted by BobSF_94117 at 2008-11-22 02:37 PM | Reply

You just can't make up shit this funny

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