The adjustable mortgages that where given to those that never should have qualified collided with rising energy cost and it kill the economy.

With BO stirring this bus....we go off a cliff.

Now that is change you can believe in.

The drivers have not changed shifts yet.

Bush's legacy!

Thank you right wing nuts! There are too many of y'all to list but just know how much the rest of us appreciate what you have done to the country. Be proud!

Danni, who has been running congress for the last two years? Who put the criminals in place that ran Freddie mac and Fannie mae? Why has the market gone down 20% since Obmama won the election?
Why are you such an idiot?

"With BO stirring this bus....we go off a cliff."

So nothing George Bush did for 8 years mattered, but Obama running for the job tanked the economy?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

What flavor is the koolaide this morning?

Let me get this straight...

Anything bad that happened while Bush was President is the fault of Congress, Bill Clinton, Barnie Frank, and Jimmy Carter.

Anything bad that happens between now and inauguration is Barrack Obama's fault.

Is this correct?

#7 | Posted by katieberry

Uhhhhh....lessee....ummmmmmm..
..
Is Rush on yet?
~Rightoids

Interesting how everything bad that happened in the first 6 years of the Bush (mis)Administration was residual from the Clinton years because (the right rationalizes), it took that long for the ramifications to kick in. So nothing was the Republicans' fault.

But of course results kick in IMMEDIATELY when the Dems take over Congress for the last 20 months. So nothing was the Republicans' fault.

Take responsibility much, GOPers?

Apparently there are a whole lot of investors who see that the fall of our big three would lose the future of their investing money.

The problem with our current government(democrat party) and the incoming party is they are not interested in actually fixing the problems, they are worried about what people are thinking.

I guess Obama is clearly not the leader he seemed to portray. Comparing him to Roosevelt is way way way WAY WAY over the top.

Obama and congress clearly don't understand the magnetude of the situation and don't have the knowledge to get those people who do understand into their advisement circle.

The big three have been cheated and lied to by congress so much that I guess they no longer feel it is worthy to address the issue in real terms.

Our democrat party congress is definitely not looking out for our nations future but one can surely bet they are looking out for their future.

" magnetude(sic) "

ROFL!

ZATOICHI(sic) but didn't typo here.

"I guess Obama is clearly not the leader he seemed to portray. Comparing him to Roosevelt is way way way WAY WAY over the top."

er.....he hasn't even taken office yet. Bush and the Republicans are still able to prevent any bailout bill, Paulson refuses to use the funds allocated, Bush even says he is going to veto an extension of unemployment benefits.
The REpublicans are still firmly in control though idiots like Slickster think pretending differently will somehow let him escape from the pain of the economic catastrophe the Republicans are purposely creating. They are conducting a scorched Earth policy in response to the choice of the American voters. As Pat Buchanan wrote, the Republicans are putting themselves on a course to be out of power for 100 years.

But of course results kick in IMMEDIATELY when the Dems take over Congress for the last 20 months. So nothing was the Republicans' fault.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Sure it was. But I think at the end of the day, there isn't that much difference between the 2 Parties. Moneywar is right. They're more worried about themselves than doing the people's business.

I have to laugh, who gave bush the money?????? It certainly wasn't the republicans.

Now if congress wants to get something done in real terms why would they try and do it now when they have the least control? Because they really don't want to address the issue and are willing to blame the republicans so they can continue to play their not to lose showmanship.

If Obama was a real leader he would be addressing the nation about this issue and let everyone know what his plan to get started when he takes office.

If Obama was a real leader he would be addressing the nation about this issue and let everyone know what his plan to get started when he takes office.

#15 | Posted by moneywar

George W. Bush, for better or worse, is the President of the United States. And we have 1 President at a time. Obama would be overstepping to be addressing the nation on issues and laying out policy before taking office.

I think that Obama is afraid Bush will do even more crazy stuff before leaving office and is trying to just stay above the fray right now.
It is obvious that Bush and Paulson do not care if we fall into a depression, it would be very easy for them to get us into another war before they leave.
One tool I think Obama has is a veiled threat that unemployment rate will be linked to the highest tax rate for the richest Americans. The Republicans obviously don't care about the country but perhaps they do about their own wallets.

"who gave bush the money?"

What an idiotic question.

Bush drove the ship of state off the cliff. The "bailout" was merely the decision to engage the air bags.

Have I missed something? Did Congress approve the Big 3 bailout and Bush vetoed it?

"Did Congress approve the Big 3 bailout and Bush vetoed it?"

No, the Republicans just told the wimp that they would filibuster and he caved.

The idiotic question was more rhetorical but is also a very valid question.

I know the answer and so do you but I see you don't feel the need to be critical about such a stupid handout.

The DEMOCRAT PARTY majority gave bush the money with nothing to actually control how he uses it.

After the last 7 years and bush's use of our money should tell you just how BAD this democrat party is really.

It is not bush's fault, give responsibility to where it belongs, the ones who have the fiduciary duty for this nation.

"The DEMOCRAT PARTY majority gave bush the money"

Any party would have engaged the air bags. You're pretending the Dems had this idea, and went to Bush & Paulson. Nothing could be further from the truth.

"this democrat party"

So...do you think the pettiness makes up for the adjective/noun confusion? It's Democratic party.

"It is not bush's fault"

How can you breathe with your head that deep in the sand?

"It is not bush's fault"

Riiight. The 800 lb. gorilla in the room no one talks about is that Paulson and wealthy investors always have the power to bring down the economy whenever they want to and that is what they threatened to do when they extorted the 700 Billion dollars. The Democrats could have either gone along or watched massive layoffs all over the country.

No, the Republicans just told the wimp that they would filibuster and he caved.

LOL!

You and others have been making excuses for this democrat party majority and then you print this.

Real true leadership there in the democrat party!

The future leadership of our nation in living color, come get it boys!

Everyone should be aware of the fact that the $700 billion is in essence being laundered right now and flowing into the pockets of 20,000 of the wealthiest people in America.

I realize that everything is Bush's fault to Democrats. They've been playing the blame game for 8 years, and have gotten pretty good at it. In two short months, you will be in charge of everything. You will have the House, the Senate and the Presidency. At some point you will have to stop blaming and start leading. I don't expect that to happen now, but maybe it's time to start thinking about it.

No, the Republicans just told the wimp that they would filibuster and he caved.

#20 | Posted by danni

I'm assuming you are referring to Harry?

"You and others have been making excuses for this democrat party majority and then you print this."

The Dems have been powerless to prevent filibusters but I haven't defended Reid. He should force a roll call vote on every bill the Republicans threaten to filibuster and force the individual Senators to defend their votes to their constituents.

"Real true leadership there in the democrat party!"

Riiiiiiiight.

Give me 41+ Senators and let me more than triple the all-time record for filibusters.

Will your lack of accomplishments be my fault or your fault?

"I realize that everything is Bush's fault to Democrats. "

And NOTHING is Bush's fault to Republicans. Or faux Libertarians.

Shit I have to laugh at this.

Danforth, who has the head in the sand.

Let's see, who gets to spend money.........president..NOPE. ..........CONGRESS....yep!

Oh, let's see, has bush done well over the last 7 years when congress has given him a free reign with spending the money.........Nope.....not even one time.

But what does this democrat majority congress do but give bush free reign with spending the money. Not only free reign but gave total control over to bush.

Now I call that true leadership!

Yep, someones head is in the sand and I certainly know it is not me.

Everyone should be aware of the fact that the $700 billion is in essence being laundered right now and flowing into the pockets of 20,000 of the wealthiest people in America.

#25 | Posted by danni

That's right Danni. Is it any wonder that either Party wants to put skin in the game to provide another chunk of money. I would have thought both parties would have learned from Katrina.

Hey Harry haven't you ever heard of the Nuclear Option?? Don't you think preventing a depression is reason enough to use it??
Republicans play hardball, Reid plays t-ball.

...pointing the finger is sooooo in this days. Like the ancient Romans, those who hold public office in this country have for years now trampled upon the Constitution, whether they are Republicans, Democrats, liberals, or conservatives. Woodrow Wilson started it when he trampled on civil liberties during the First World War. Franklin Roosevelt copied Wilson's methods to impose the New Deal on us in the Depression and trample on our liberties during World War II. Since then, almost every president, every congress, and every decision by the Supreme Court has further destroyed the Constitution. So, how's this bail-out any different?

Obama is sure quiet through this whole mess.

"If they need me they will call"
- Obama -

"someones head is in the sand and I certainly know it is not me."

Says the ostrich who still doesn't know how governance works.

"Is it any wonder that either Party wants to put skin in the game to provide another chunk of money."

Only difference though is this bailout would save 3-5 million jobs. This time it isn't extortion but a necessary bridge because of the worldwide financial crisis. European governments are loaning their car makers money why won't America do the same???

Only difference though is this bailout would save 3-5 million jobs. This time it isn't extortion but a necessary bridge because of the worldwide financial crisis. European governments are loaning their car makers money why won't America do the same???

#37 | Posted by danni

I don't think either Party has the smarts to figure out oversight policies in this case. And if it only buys the Big 3 a few months of time before they go under, not a one of them will want to be associated with this bailout.

My word, when will you super duper lefty democrats wake up and stop making excuses for the laziest, highest spending, wasteful democratic party majority in the history of our governance.

WHEN????????

Read the damn CONSTITUTION, you definitely need to at least do a little review of it because your excuses is nothing but party pandering ignorance.

CONGRESS spends the money, FACT. Don't like that is too bad, it is FACT.

"...pointing the finger is sooooo in this days."

Wait until after inauguration day...then the finger pointing will really begin. There will be hearings and investigations, already whistle blowers have contacted news media to tell them they will squeal after Bush is safely out of power. I think there are going to be some big revelations and I think Bush and Rove may be conveniently out of the country on an extended vacation.

Filibusters are real.
Vetos are real.
REad the constitution Money.

And NOTHING is Bush's fault to Republicans. Or faux Libertarians

Bullshit!!!!!

I am an equal opportunity blamer.

Says the ostrich who still doesn't know how governance works.

Says the union man with fiduciary duty and political know how.

By the way.....how's those unions doing with congress these last 30 years, you seem to know so well how governance works.....LOL!!!

Wait until after inauguration day...then the finger pointing will really begin.

This coming from the idiot who blames every republican since Abraham Lincoln for all her ills.

Eberly what do you think about Bush's threat to veto an extension of unemployment benefits??

"WHEN?"

When fools learn how Robert's Rules of Order is the true power behind the law, and admit nearly tripling the prior record for filibusters has an effect on governance.

To quote the never more apt words of H. L. Mencken: "No one ever went broke by underestimating the intelligence of the American people"--whom he also called "the booboisie." In the early 1800's a man named Charles Mackay wrote a book called "Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds," in which he covered things like the witch hunts of the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, the Mississippi Bubble, the South Sea Bubble, etc. Had he lived today he could have included the Dot Com Crash and the current stock market panic.

"This coming from the idiot who blames every republican since Abraham Lincoln for all her ills."

What ills do I have Eberly???
I am personally doing fine, I virtually never have a personal complaint. I live well.
I do hate the things that the Republicans have done to the country though and I think any honest person would admit that I have been proven correct on that.

"how's those unions doing with congress these last 30 years"

My Unions have expanded.

" Had he lived today he could have included the Dot Com Crash and the current stock market panic."

The in vogue talking point is to bring up the dot com bubble and pretend it was so huge yet conveniently forget to include the housing bubble which is the real cause of the current economic crisis and which was purposely engineered by Bush and Greenspan to insure a Republican majority and his reelection. Fact!

Eberly what do you think about Bush's threat to veto an extension of unemployment benefits??

rhetoric from a lame duck.

threatening is not the same as vetoing.

As Pat Buchanan wrote, the Republicans are putting themselves on a course to be out of power for 100 years.

#13 | Posted by danni

I must need a stronger brew in the morning. Danni quoting Pat Buchanan. Careful, it's a slippery slope. Next you'll be reading Ron Paul.

If Obama was a real leader he would be addressing the nation

You've got to kidding. The worse it gets the better he'll look when he waves his wand and we're all rich.

In the meantime you can get an idea how things will go from the people he is picking for a cabinet. Holder for AG, Napolitano for Homeland Security, and (God Help Us) Clinton for State.

Don't expect anything to get better, except the hype.

Will vetoing the extension of unemployment benefits force people out of their homes and into the street???
Will it cause children to suffer unnecessarily??
The answer is absolutely yes!
How he can live with that I do not know.
Were I his wife I would leave him over it. Laura is losing what little respect I ever had for her.

I do hate the things that the Republicans have done to the country

No shit? You hate republicans.....it doesn't matter why. that is your choice.

You should hate what has happened to this country which is the fault of BOTH PARTIES.

you do not have the emotional nor intellectual capacity to understand that. You think there is a difference between these parties.

continue the hate......it serves you well.

BTW, anybody who "hates" so much DOES HAVE ills.

Fact.

Filli's are real, veto's are real so fucking what.

Congress can keep sending it with fiduciary mind and let them keep it up until no funds are available, eventually it will pass.

Stop playing politics and force the issue, and now that brings us to the big three, they are not playing politics anymore and our government still plays it.

Nice way to ruin our nation at the hands of those who don't care but their own. And that certainly sound republican to me but but but they are DEMOCRATS.

Eberly can't EVER win an argument so he ALWAYS makes it a personal attack. Pathetic and laughable.

"And NOTHING is Bush's fault to Republicans. Or faux Libertarians."

Yawn. If you're referring to me, I blame Bush for a lot of what's wrong with our country, including sky-high spending, lack of global reputation and gross mismanagement of the economy. It's just that blaming Bush doesn't encompass my entire political belief system, something many democrats are going to have to work on now that they are in charge.

"Congress can keep sending it with fiduciary mind and let them keep it up until no funds are available, eventually it will pass."

Precisely why I called Harry Reid a wimp.
I will say this, if the Dems don't replace him then I will have to start being as critical of the Dems as you are. We'll see soon.

Ozark,

Yes, I have address the picking on another thread, choosing all politicians will get nothing done.

We are in for a heap of troubling few years and the democratic party will be thrown out with a good boot and hopefully for a very very long 30 years again. The democratic party has clearly shown they are not interested in correcting the ills of our nation.

Lazy bastards, all of them and just can't believe people here defend them. No wonder our nation is in grave shape and continuing to fall.

"The democratic party has clearly shown they are not interested in correcting the ills of our nation."

I just can't decide if you are that dumb or that you are incredibly dishonest. The Dems had no ability to overcome filibusters yet you continue to bash them as if they did. They could not override a veto yet you continue to pretend they could.
I think you believe you are doing a right wing talk show and that your listeners believe what you say. You're not, we don't.

Only difference though is this bailout would save 3-5 million jobs. This time it isn't extortion but a necessary bridge because of the worldwide financial crisis. European governments are loaning their car makers money why won't America do the same???
Danni you stupid dumbass. The US auto makers have a broken business model. They have demonstrated no willingness or ability to change it. One of the big 3 head crooks said in his begging for money speach that negotitations with UAW was off the table. These companies are burdened with the ridiculas pensions/benefits paid to the people who produced crappy products. Cut them by 30%. Cut the pay for all employees, top to bottom, by 30%. If that doesn't work, then ask for help.

"Wait until after inauguration day...then the finger pointing will really begin."

#40 | Posted by danni

You're right:

Mr. Obama: And keep in mind that the deregulation process, it wasn't just one party. I think there's a lot of blame to spread around.

Slickster you don't know what you are even talking about. The industry has already cut almost 50% of the jobs, increased productivity, designed new revolutionary models, etc. YOu are a simpleton repeating right wing talking points. It's hard to have a discussion with someone incapable of serious thought.

The point that seems to elude people like Slickster is that the auto makers have already been doing many of the things he recommends but that doesn't have anything to do with the current crisis for the companies.
The problem is the WORLDWIDE CREDIT CRISES which is preventing consumers from buying cars and preventing the Big Three from going to banks where they would normally get the loans they need.
They did not create that crisis, Bush and Greenspan did.

Slick,

There is no room for your stupid ignorant ass comments here, you show lack of knowledge to the tenth degree.

about 1 in 5 US jobs are tied to the auto industry but keep up with that idiocy of business model.

Just look at trade and the auto industry and you would be shocked, then learn alittle about manufacturing and production and you will see the real problem is our congress and president accepting the idiocy of trade policies.

Pull up your britches because the media you're listening to doesn't seem to be educated enough to actually research and print issues of real world.

Credit is NOT stopping people from buying cars, wages are stopping people from buying cars.

It is about WAGES and if people can't afford to buy new cars those industries fail.

This is a nation issue, the wages have reached a point where they can't afford the products and the government, congress and presidents and corporations think lowering wages will fix it.

How stupid can anyone get.

Danni, 5 years ago I told you we would run into this problem and everyone here trash me and said I was a looney tune.

Credit is just a short term issue, long term is wages. How does one achieve credit? They have to have money to start with and that is wages.

7,792.74 down -204.54 -2.56%

The industry has already cut almost 50% of the jobs, increased productivity, designed new revolutionary models, etc. YOu are a simpleton repeating right wing talking points. It's hard to have a discussion with someone incapable of serious thought.
I appreciate your concern over how difficult it is to have a discussion with you, since you are such a simpleton.

Given the average labor/benefit cost for the Big 3 are more than $2000 than the 'non big 3' vehicles produced in the US. Why would a CEO of a company not fix this issue by cutting the pay of the workers and the outlandish benefits paid to those who for years produced crappy cars.

There is no other industry, other than government where workers pay/benefits are not eventually related to the profit/loss of their company.

Some guy who ran a pneumatic wrench for 25 years retires on 70k a year with full benefits. The gravy train has reached the end of the tracks.

"These companies are burdened with the ridiculas pensions/benefits paid to the people who produced crappy products. "

The workers fulfilled their part of the signed bargain. Management not only signed that same bargain, but also chose the types of vehicles to produce, designed the cars, built the plants, engineered the machines, chose the marketing, picked the dealerships, decided on colors, and christened the car. They set the prices, determined when rebates would be used, and killed off product line when needed.

But it's all the fault of the guys who lived up to what they signed...I get it.

Just look at trade and the auto industry and you would be shocked, then learn alittle about manufacturing and production and you will see the real problem is our congress and president accepting the idiocy of trade policies.
I understand this. I understand the broken business model used by the big 3. I understand washington is the problem. I understand Obama said he didn't want to use the same wash insiders to implement change.

What I don't understand is why anyone believed him.

Pension? Benefits?

Another ass wiped ignorant post, will it ever end.

The level of stupid ignorance is so high no wonder our congressional leaders are lazy do nothing spending thieves.

We truely are one dumbass uneducated nation toward our future and the problems. Just look at these posts.

But it's all the fault of the guys who lived up to what they signed...I get it.
I never said it was the fault of the worker. It was the fault of the agreement. The agreement is broken and has to be fixed. Until it is fixed, don't ask for more money.

Its the fault of the Bill Gates, Buffets, Bushs, Clintons who continue to argume for the globalization of US jobs and push for more HB1 visas, which lowers the wages for all US workers.

Remember, keep your powder dry. You might need it.

Another ass wiped ignorant post, will it ever end.
Moneywar, why don't you explain why some US factories produce cars that are profitable and the big 3 factories can't do it.

"It was the fault of the agreement"

The part where the workers did what they were assigned, or the part where management paid what they promised?

The part where the workers did what they were assigned, or the part where management paid what they promised?
The part where management, long since retired after selling their company stock, made wage/benefit/work rule agreements that gave them short term stability and long term demise.

"Danni, 5 years ago I told you we would run into this problem and everyone here trash me and said I was a looney tune."

I don't think I can be accused of that. I always believed that the economy would crumble when Dubya got appointed and the Republicans passed the irresponsible (Lincoln Chafee former Republican from RI's words) Bush tax cuts for the rich.
I agree with you that wages are the underlying problem but the immediate emergency is inability of even folks with decent credit to get loans and even profitable companies from getting loans.

Where are all of the psychic market gurus that charge you 20.00 to 50.00 a month for their news letters that said the bottom was 12,500!!!

ha ha ha!

is inability of even folks with decent credit to get loans and even profitable companies from getting loans.
more of the lies and ignorant rants from Danni.

I just wonder if anyone agrees with me that the Republicans and Bush are now aggressively attempting to "starve the beast" in an effort to handicap the Democrats and prevent them from enacting their agenda???

I just wonder if anyone agrees with me that the Republicans and Bush are now aggressively attempting to "starve the beast" in an effort to handicap the Democrats and prevent them from enacting their agenda???

If that is true then the dems are seemingly wanting to starve the beast.

Again, you do not posess even 1% of the necessary intelligence nor emotional capacity to understand that.

hate away......

The future leadership of our nation in living color, come get it boys!

#24 | Posted by moneywar

Wow, just damn wow!!! No wonder the republican party is swirling down the toilet bowl. No admittance of guilt or even an acknowledgment of shame at all. How can you in good conscious continue this masquerade?

It's almost like you guys are getting your ass kicked by that 800 lb gorilla but you want to divert your attention to worry about spec of dust on the floor.

"If that is true then the dems are seemingly wanting to starve the beast."

Absolutely true. It's like a race to print money.

I think that is just plain silly and you are repeating EXACTLY what I hear from rush limbaugh.
so you prove him right everytime you try and lay the blame for everything on bush
he said this would happen just last week and here you are showing us just how right he is

and I say that knowing that there is little more in this world that I could say that would anger you other than,.....you are proving rush right...LOL

repeating EXACTLY what rush SAID THE LEFT would begin saying soon. is what I meant to say

and I thought history showed us that the market usually went up with speculation that an incoming president was going to CHANGE things.....so
what happened?
and dont give me this nonsense about bush holding the economy down on purpose

Were I his wife I would leave him over it. Laura is losing what little respect I ever had for her.

Posted by danni

I just talked to Laura. she is leaving him because you are losing what little respect you ever had for her.

:-(

Were I his wife I would leave him over it. Laura is losing what little respect I ever had for her.

Posted by danni

Now I've seen it all.

Guess what, now Cindy McCain's boy friend has been outed....rumors are flying that that cast she had on her hand/arm was not caused by over zealous fans.....rumor has it that someone has a problem with anger....

"If that is true then the dems are seemingly wanting to starve the beast."

Yeah cuz the dems are filibustering the bailout and they are the ones responsible for the Bush tax cuts for the rich which Obama and the Dems have already decided to let expire against the wishes of the Repbulicans...Eberly it's just too easy to make you look like an idiot....learn something and come back. Read a book or something.

"Now I've seen it all."

No, you still haven't seen it all, there is all that paper...with printing on it...you know in those things called books....you haven't seen much of that. I can tell from your posts, you are not exactly the sharpest tool in the tool box.

"Were I his wife I would leave him over it."

Perhaps that's why you two aren't married in the first place. Most people figure out where they stand on a veto of the extension of unemployment benefits before they take that next step in a relationship.

danni....you are way off here

and besides I AM REALLY DISAPPOINTED In you and your buds UNLESS I missed it

the cheney indictment I thought would be one of those banner subjects at the top of the page and I dont see one thread about it

you guys are really slipping

My buddy the right wing Rush listener came back in my office today. Funny thing, with the big three asking for a bailout and some other things he's finally actually questioning whether Rush is telling him the truth. Sad really watching him try to save face while admitting at the same time that he has been wrong about EVERYTHING just like some of you guys here. Sad but funny too.

No, you still haven't seen it all, there is all that paper...with printing on it...you know in those things called books....you haven't seen much of that. I can tell from your posts, you are not exactly the sharpest tool in the tool box.

Where is your degree from Danni?

"you guys are really slipping"

No that indictment is nonsense and we all know it.
There are real things to deal with.

Nova Southeastern University and LIFE which taught me much more than school ever could. I can honestly tell you this Eberly, my education, my intelligence and my sense of humor, even my physical condition are superior to yours. Not to everyone on DR but to yours. Fact!

oh come on

I had a butt kicking response all ready....LOL

BTW I would never post that except you are such a sniveling prick most of the time.

Yeah cuz the dems are filibustering the bailout and they are the ones responsible for the Bush tax cuts for the rich which Obama and the Dems have already decided to let expire against the wishes of the Repbulicans.

they have decided? It is November idiot. Nothing has happened yet.

You are too stupid to ever realize that the tax cuts for the rich are meaningless to these problems.

and rush will predict a response or action from the dems and they rarely fail to do JUST WHAT HE SAID or will say just what he said they will say
I have listened to him for some time now and his record on that is pretty high

and lets remember that even whats his name,....al whatever.....al quidas 2nd guy

he said JUST WHAT RUSH SAID HE WOULD say

that the american people by electing obama have surrenedered in the war on terror.....

but thats enough about rush....

AGAIN>....why is the market going lower and lower

with the messiah coming to town, wouldnt that make EVERYONE happy and ready to invest???

I can honestly tell you this Eberly, my education, my intelligence and my sense of humor, even my physical condition are superior to yours.

you have a big dick also right? that is the only other boasting material left on a blog.

we all believe you danni. really......we do.

Were I his wife I would leave him over it.

Posted by danni

Danni always espousing her family values.

No, you still haven't seen it all, there is all that paper...with printing on it...you know in those things called books....you haven't seen much of that. I can tell from your posts, you are not exactly the sharpest tool in the tool box.

#89 | Posted by danni

Ouch. I'm not sure what you've been reading, but it certainly has turned you into on sour person. The only toolbox that you'd fit in would be filled with lemons.

"You are too stupid to ever realize that the tax cuts for the rich are meaningless to these problems."

No, you are just not able to understand how those tax cuts combined with the housing bubble created by Greenspan are the basic causes for much of what is happening. When you can't understand you make insulting comments just like an angry child.
Example (thanks): "you have a big dick also right?"

"with the messiah coming to town, wouldnt that make EVERYONE happy and ready to invest???"

More important than the Messiah coming to town is that Dubya and the Republicans are finally leaving town.

"My buddy the right wing Rush listener came back in my office today."

#92 | Posted by danni

You don't have to come up with pretend "buddies" to make a point.

"I'm not sure what you've been reading, but it certainly has turned you into on sour person."

About the demise of the big three auto makers and the unwillingness of the Republicans to allow a bail out. I feel that this is a crisis which we will all pay for in a big way. Our economy cannot withstand millions added to the unemployment rolls and Bush and Congress know it. This is serious.

"You don't have to come up with pretend "buddies" to make a point."

Absolutely not a pretend buddy, he's a pretty nice guy for a right winger and he and I have had many discussions. Lately though I just answer whatever he says with "10 TRILLION DOLLARS OF DEBT what do you not understand about that???" At first he didn't understand but he is finally figuring things out.

No, you are just not able to understand how those tax cuts combined with the housing bubble created by Greenspan are the basic causes for much of what is happening.

I'm guessing that your degree from Nova is NOT in economics.

Our economy cannot withstand millions added to the unemployment rolls and Bush and Congress know it. This is serious.

#106 | Posted by danni

I agree it's serious. But as smart as you think you are, why not admit that this initial request will not solve the issue, only put it off?

so let me get this straight

the republicans are the bad guys because they arent willing to just throw money into the UNION coffers which is what this is all about anyway..

maybe not union coffers, but lets face it..this is a bailout of the UAW and thier matters with the big three.

well get used to this...THIS is what conservatives should have been doing the whole time.

AND DANNI

so what do you think of the holder appointment

are you aware that he has spent SOME TIME being a CORPORATE LAWYER.........hhhhhhhhhhhmmm

he defends the devil himslef....THAT cant be good

Our economy cannot withstand millions added to the unemployment rolls and Bush and Congress know it. This is serious.

It is. But those people are going to end up unemployed anyway. probably not as many as some think.

I would rather take the bailout money and directly use it to help the people laid off going forward.

I care about those workers also. I don't want it to pass through the hands of the mgt of the big 3 if it is for the benefit of the workers. I would rather just give it directly to the workers.

But as smart as you think you are, why not admit that this initial request will not solve the issue, only put it off?

because she is barely smart enough to read the words you just typed.

the "pretend buddy" has to come over and read it to her!!!!!

"The Dems had no ability to overcome filibusters yet you continue to bash them as if they did."

"They could not override a veto yet you continue to pretend they could."

It is well known the Democrats could not overcome a fillibuster nor a veto. This does not change the fact that any bill to make it through the House required the Democrats' votes.

So, every bill that passed since the Democrats had control is their own fault for the consequences. If they didn't like the bill, they didn't have to vote for it. If they wanted their own bills passed, they'd get every one of them passed the House.

If the Republicans killed the bill in the Senate or vetoed by the WH, it would be those that killed the bill that would be blamed, not the Democrats.

This is why the Democrats are to blame for not accomplishing what they believed in for the past two years. The Republicans would have to compromise all the time to get a bill passed. The Congress could stall on both sides - neither had to give in unless they wanted something passed. IN the past two years, the Repub's didn't compromise and the Dems gave in.

As for current financial situations, it took more than 2 years to get to this point and more than 20 years for some of this, too.

because she is barely smart enough to read the words you just typed.

the "pretend buddy" has to come over and read it to her!!!!!

#112 | Posted by eberly

I love people who support a bailout, but can't face the facts that it will not come close to solving the core problem. But then again, I'm not the sharpest tool in danni's toolbox.

Wisgod I really don't think I am very smart at all. I wish I hadn't posted that above but I was beginning to get pissed off. This crisis is really scaring the hell out of me and it really does look, to me, that Bush is consciously trying to throw the country into a depression.

"I love people who support a bailout, but can't face the facts that it will not come close to solving the core problem."

I completely understand it won't solve the core problems but by the same token I watched the three CEOs on CSPAN at the hearings and they are very convincing in their arguments that they have already made some very big changes with more on the way. Personally, I don't care about those companies, I own no stock and I've never been employed in the auto industry but the damage their failure will have for the overall economy is staggering and possibly fatal to the economy.

But then again, I'm not the sharpest tool in danni's toolbox.

I'll bet there are some pretty dull tools in there.

This crisis is really scaring the hell out of me

sure it does. the weaker in our society are always afraid. Fortunately we have people like me who can see things clearly despite the weather.

Danni, it scares me too. They announced the closing of the Janesville GM plant early this year. I just wish somebody in Washington was smart enough to form a long term plan for their success. I've yet to hear that from either party. If it was me, I'd consider diverting a portion of the 700B Bank bailout money, but still would need a long term plan.

the damage their failure will have for the overall economy is staggering and possibly fatal to the economy.

They will not fail - fearmongering from the CEO's just like the dems used against McCain. Let them go bankrupt and renegotiate with the unions. They will emerge much more capable of doing business in the 21st century as opposed to the 19th century.

I just wish somebody in Washington was smart enough to form a long term plan for their success.

I'll bet there is a long term plan. However, the details, while necessary, aren't going to be popular to most people because it will reveal how ugly all of this is so they are keeping those cards close to their chest.

I question why one of the big 3 never ventured into fullfilling Goverment contracts for vehicles. Oskosh Truck makes most of it's money on providing heavy trucks via Federal military contracts.

Let them go bankrupt and renegotiate with the unions. They will emerge much more capable of doing business in the 21st century as opposed to the 19th century.

elic,

they will. some people here actually believe that the entire auto industry is going to evaporate. I'm driving a car home tonight and one tomorrow. I also have a new one on order right now. my wife is driving hers right now. anybody else here own a car too?

Oskosh Truck makes most of it's money on providing heavy trucks via Federal military contracts.

Oskosh Truck is owned by the Reagan, bush and Greenspan families you idiot!!!

-Danni

"If it was me, I'd consider diverting a portion of the 700B Bank bailout money, but still would need a long term plan."

that is exactly what they should be doing and if you watched the hearings where the three CEOs testified you would realize they do have long term plans, they have already changed their companies tremendously, UAW has ageed to huge concession (more needed though), etc.
The WORLDWIDE CREDIT CRISIS is causing the need for the immediate bailout, European countries are already doing it for their companies.
That is why I suspect Bush and the Republicans are letting this disaster unfold because it will unfold right in the Democrats' lap. They are attempting to do the same thing to Obama as they did to Carter only much worse.

We might see the Dow below 6000 before Obama is sworn in.

And we should warm it up now--It's all Obama's fault. ;o)

That's another problem. I have 4 Toyota's. Each with more than 100K miles. I expect all to exceed 250K with very little maintenance. Why would I consider another brand until Toyota screws me?

If they took the money from the $700B bank bailout money, I guess I would cry about it. I think the banks are going to piss it away anyway.

"We might see the Dow below 6000 before Obama is sworn in.

And we should warm it up now--It's all Obama's fault. ;o)"

#125 | Posted by MURPHY

I think you're going to be in for a harsh surprise. The economy's going to bottom out, and it's going to have nowhere to go but up. He'll probably get credit for that, and reelected because of it.

"Real true leadership there in the democrat party!"

Riiiiiiiight.

Give me 41+ Senators and let me more than triple the all-time record for filibusters.

Will your lack of accomplishments be my fault or your fault?

#29 | Posted by Danforth

So, the Democratic congress doesn't do jack shit and you blame the Republicans for obstructionism.

Yet, twice in the last 5 years the Republicans proposed legislation to reign in Fannie and Freddy, the Democrats killed said legislation via obstructionism and you blame....the Republicans for not reigning in Fannie and Freddy.

Let's just say that consistency isn't your strong suit.

Here's a newsflash for you: In 2 months your beloved Democratic party will have strong majorities in both houses of Congress plus the presidency. Blaming the Republicans will no longer work at that point. Sorry, the Democrats are going to actually be held accountable for their governance.

"Here's a newsflash for you: In 2 months your beloved Democratic party will have strong majorities in both houses of Congress plus the presidency. Blaming the Republicans will no longer work at that point. Sorry, the Democrats are going to actually be held accountable for their governance."

#129 | Posted by JeffJ

Not if the Democrats only have 59 senators, you republican hack!

"Sorry, the Democrats are going to actually be held accountable for their governance."

As they should be but I just hope they are judged fairly and not by folks like Limbaugh and Hannity who are already trying to call our present recession the Obama Recession. Blame the Dems for their response to the economic problems that the Republicans have caused not for causing them in the first place.

LIVEORDIE, I'm no sure but I think we're going to get 60! Franken is already gaining in the recount.
Yesterday was the first day and he gained 28 votes.

This is a planned cyclical downturn. We are being depressed back down to 1950/60 levels. The market is acting rational if you see the trend.

We will end up with the DOW in the 6500 level when it is done, homes will be $250,000 or lower, incomes on average in the 30-50K range for professionals and 15-30K range for labor. Of course CEOs will not be affected.

This is all planned.

I thought when Obama was elected the birds would sing, rainbows would fill the skies, terrorists will leave Obama's dinner table and throw down their arms and the economy would instantly rebound. What happened?

Weather must be cloudy and gloomy in Arlington today.

" What happened?"

He is not in office yet.
When he is then the skies will open and money will fall into the pockets of Americans and we will all be rich, oh, and world hunger will be solved and peace will be achieved. Did,t you get the memo

"I thought when Obama was elected the birds would sing, rainbows would fill the skies, terrorists will leave Obama's dinner table and throw down their arms and the economy would instantly rebound."

Sounds like this idiot is channeling Hilary Clinton.

When you're pushing a dust mop down a dim hallway in a 3rd tier commuter school, it helps to channel SOMEone.

I thought when Obama was elected the birds would sing, rainbows would fill the skies, terrorists will leave Obama's dinner table and throw down their arms and the economy would instantly rebound. What happened?

#134 | Posted by utastaff

"When he is then the skies will open and money will fall into the pockets of Americans and we will all be rich, oh, and world hunger will be solved and peace will be achieved. Did,t you get the memo"

Is that what Rush said Obama promised, maybe you should have listened for yourself. Oh yeah, I forgot, Rush doesn't like y'all reading newspapers and books....he likes to do it for you. I guess it probably saves you time and wear and tear on your brain.

" Blame the Dems for their response to the economic problems that the Republicans have caused not for causing them in the first place.

#131 | Posted by danni'

Proving daily how little you know about the Markets, and what a chip you have on your shoulder.

To blame Republicans for the markets crashing has got to be the most illogical post you have EVER made.

I like how you posted that the European markets have already addressed their issues. You don't have a clue what's going on

It's beginning to look like no fucking Christmas, everywhere I go....

and it really does look, to me, that Bush is consciously trying to throw the country into a depression.

#115 | Posted by danni

Conspiracy theory much?

Again all GW and republican's fault to danni. Gee just maybe the US market doesn't like the idea of increased taxes, restricted trade agreements, and alt energy mandates. Markets have dropped 2000 points in 12 days. Obama remains silent, not a breath as to what he plans to do to help. But he has chimed in with things that will hurt

With BO stirring this bus....we go off a cliff.

Now that is change you can believe in.

#1 | Posted by aclusux

Wow. First post on this thread is amazingly laughable.

You do know Obama isn't President yet, right?

Funny how the market started it's slide before the election, sliding now before Inauguration isn't for another 2 months

Ha ha ha ha Thanks, man!!

Bush is 'change' we wish wouldn't have ever happened.

I should look before posting lol

"Funny how the market started it's slide before the election, sliding now before the Inauguration - which isn't for another 2 months."

There!

We know you won't believe it, but it's true.

It's soon going to be time to buy.

It's soon going to be time to buy.

#147 | Posted by goatman at 2008-11-20 10:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Provided you aren't already living in a refrigerator box.

Have any of you ever considered the possibility that the blame for the economic plunge may lay in the combination of multiple factors? Here are two for you to consider:

One being a natural swing between growth and stagnation.

Another being an unwavering, laser-beam focus on partisan posturing between the Hatfield's and the McCoy's that both distracts from doing the people's work and positions a megalomaniac, narcissistic politician to argue that whatever the sensitive topic of the day is, it's the other megalomaniac, narcissistic politician's fault.

It is inarguable that any politician's primary goal is to stay in power. All else comes second to that basic, human drive. It is also inarguable that a politician is not above seeing a hole in the earth opening up and letting it happen if he or she can use it to take out a threat to his or her position of power and influence.

If you think for one second that the economic catastrophe we are facing is viewed as a bad thing for the average politician, you are being naive. Both the Hatfield's and the McCoys see this as a golden opportunity to spin it in their favor.

What about the little people? The peasants? The surfs? Awe, piss on them, they'll still vote for us no matter what we do and their pain is a vote getting motivator...Muahahahaha!!!

What a killer job that must be, eh?

In early September I went to the bank to roll over an IRA CD, and the "personal banker" and I got to talking about the market and such. I said I thought the market would be cratering before the end of the year, and get below 6,000 before the end of January. The lady asked why, and I told her my opinion that asset valuation is rife with fraud, and that used cars and previously-existing real estate are the worst of the lot. The lady was polite because I was a depositor, but I felt she thought I was nuts, and that she wanted to end the conversation as soon as possible. I have been thinking of dropping in on her again, and saying, "neener, neener!"

"If you think for one second that the economic catastrophe we are facing is viewed as a bad thing for the average politician, you are being naive."

Utter nonsense, we just voted out lots of Republicans because of the economic problems.
Obama and the Democrats were given majority power because of the economic down turn.
It is the tactic of losing Republicans to now try to pretend both parties are the same.
Clue....our entire national debt was created under Republican rule. Mantra of borrow and spend has brought us to where we are today.
Lesson learned: do not trust Republicans with power.

Anything bad that happens between now and inauguration is Barrack Obama's fault.

Is this correct?

#7 | Posted by katieberry at
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Yes it is. It's called market chaos that was created when a bunch of Obama supporters, who weren't the most informed people on the planet, voted for a marxist. This was well documented by the Zogby poll that asked Obama supporters who controlled congress. The market is in chaos because Obama has not clearly stated an economic plan. His plan is isn't clear which plunged the market in chaos. Apparantly, wall street hasn't figured out how to stablize the economy based on change and hope. The stock market is run on future demands. If that future seems bleak then the dow will plunge. Fluctuations right now have EVERYTHING to do with Obama's election and absolutely nothing to do with George W. Bush as most of you are saying.

Lonnie

The markets won't settle down until Obama get's real specific on the economic damage he intends on doing. All the lefties here said Obama couldn't do worse than Bush, let us see. I'm more than willing to bet he can do worse than Bush.

"If you think for one second that the economic catastrophe we are facing is viewed as a bad thing for the average politician, you are being naive."

Utter nonsense, we just voted out lots of Republicans because of the economic problems.
Obama and the Democrats were given majority power because of the economic down turn.
It is the tactic of losing Republicans to now try to pretend both parties are the same.
Clue....our entire national debt was created under Republican rule. Mantra of borrow and spend has brought us to where we are today.
Lesson learned: do not trust Republicans with power.

#151 | Posted by danni
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Sure, if you say so Danni. At least it's so in Danni's version of reality. Real Reality is that most of these economic problems can be laid down right next to our future president. Nobody has had the balls on our side to mention the fact that John McCain tried to fix Freddie and Fannie 3 years ago and Obama, by voting against the measure, said that they weren't having a problem. In case your wondering that would be McCain 1 Obama 0.

Three weeks before the Fannie and Freddie problems were officially announced, Barney Frank went on national tv and said the housing market was stable. Now exactly who are we going to believe?

The stock market is plunging in chaos right now because Obama hasn't been very specific on his message to big business. So far we've learned, he's anti-big business so of course the markets are losing. Until your messiah goes beyond his hope and change bullshit, the markets will continue to go down. After all, the market is based on future. If the markets appear to be bleak then the days transactions will look bleak.

Then of course the liberal nut cases will continue to spin this as the Republicans fault but the reality is BOTH parties are to blame. To single out one party shows that you're not being honest with yourself or anyone else. But thanks for playing!

Lonnie