It shall be interesting to see how someone from a border state handles the immigration situation. Out here a change in policy should make a few people dizzy.

I like Napolitano a lot. And she's a relatively new face for the administration.

Here's a link with a little more info...

Napolitano has a reputation among some folks I know who worked with her---not for her and not even from the same political party---even before she became governor of being sharp, frank, and honest. She'd be a welcome change from Tom "Dick Tracy" Ridge and Michael "Spooky" Chertoff.

Paul Rudd was right!

I guess that will keep Kristen Wiig working at SNL for a while.

Go ahead.

A gift to McCain-he won't have to run agianst her in 2010.

Thoes dems like to put dykes in charge. Let's get Janet back.

"I like Napolitano a lot. And she's a relatively new face for the administration."

I like her too, but what are her qualifications to be the head of homeland security? Sometimes an old qualifed face is better. Not saying she isn't its just that this position, along with Defense, is pretty important.

I Live in AZ and am a total right-wing nut, But Janet is one of those few democrats who actually governs with the concerns of the people in mind. I voted for her and the only democrat I have voted for in 25 years. I don't care if she is a lesbian, if she is, she is like 99 percent of americans, she keeps her personal life to herself.

My biggest kudo to her is that she has not tried to stiffle Sheriff Joe and has even backed a lot of his and our ideas to end the Mexican Invasion, she has been a tax cutter and a spending cutter. I also noticed, even though she supported Obama and spoke at the convention, her support was lukewarm because she know AZ is very red.

I think she is a great choice for a party that is so loony left, the think the "roman Empire"" social aganda is the way to go.

And she would be change, She is an outsider, and it is the only appointment so far that Obama has made that makes any sense and I can get behind..

I'm not sure what qualifications you're looking for, Greendad. Ridge was a governor, rep, and prosecutor. Chertoff was a US Attorney and Federal Judge. Among Bush's better-qualified nominees, both. Napolitano has been a US Attorney, state AG, and governor. Seems reasonable to me.

I live on the East Coast, I'm not really up to speed on the Governor of Arizona. I'm just asking if she is up for the job or if she is being rewarded for her early endorsement. I have a lot of hope and optimism for this presidency and I don't want to see it get off on the wrong foot.

Thanks for the info HillBillyJihad!

she is like 99 percent of americans, she keeps her personal life to herself.
#11 | Posted by HillBillyJihad

Really, you don't hold hands with your wife or call her "Honey" in public? You don't give her a kiss when she's allowed to visit you in the hospital?
See, your opinions are so ingrained that you don't even see how others are kept from doing everyday normal things so you don't accuse them flaunting their lifestyle in your face.

Sorry, that's not nice..but she will make Janet Reno look like Snow White in comparison. No malice, no hatred, just fashion common sense.

I believe if she is left to actually run it and not subject to LaRaza or All those leftie 'No one is illegal" groups. She will look out for us..But we shall see. Plus she is tough, Of Course if he would have picked Sheriff Joe, He would have hit a homerun..

"More of the same, more of the same.....RAAAAWWWK!!"

-DeludedRighties.

"Thoes dems like to put dykes in charge. Let's get Janet back.

#9 | Posted by Sniper "

Channeling your inner lipstick lesbian, strap-on bottom?

so where is her link to the clintons

isnt that a prequisite for being in the obama white house???? lol

So TFDNhilist

You're telling me that if two Homo's hold hands in public, they are subject to arrest and possible beating, or if Your boyfriend gives you a kiss in the hospital you might be reported to the Homo police?..You're kidding right? Here is what us Normal peoples problem is

1. You compare the fact that you cannot get "married" a religious concept to the struggle of african-americans, who were lynched, burned alive, had dogs attack them till they were killed, not allowed to own property, not allowed to vote and all that and still in their hearts knew that America was a good place and if they fought hard enough and in the 40's even fought for a country that treated them like animals that the goodness that is inherent in people would finally win out. So you compare that struggle to the fact that you are not allowed to have another guys balls bouncing off your chin in public?

2. No One has any problem with homo's having all the rights as any other americans, MARRIAGE IS NOT a right, Just like a drivers licence is not a right, So when Normal people see a bunch of dudes marching dwon the streets in buttless chaps, tongung each other and somehow have to turn to their children and explain that...THAT is when you lose ANY sympathy from normal people..

I've actually never heard of her before. But it's good to see Obama appointing some new faces to his Cabinet, rather than only rehashing Clinton-era staffers (Rahm Emmanuel, for one).

From what people are saying, she sounds like she'd be a good choice. Maybe seeing a strong and competent Democrat in charge of DHS will make some of our resident righties think twice before badmouthing all libs as pussies. :)

Or maybe that's just wishful thinking.

Rahm Emanuel, not Emmanuel. i spel gud

Kinger

All LIBS are pussies, Janet is not a lib, she is a democrat

There is a big difference

not theses days hillybilly

moveone.org and the aclu has already told obama to do thier bidding or else...............

MARRIAGE IS NOT a right,

If a church wishes to marry teo people who are not doing anything illegal, why does the State have any right to interfere. What other church acts do you want some bureaucrat to decide is proper?

Good grief

some churches do marry them, it is up to the state to recognize them..There is a difference, I wish you people would actually know what your talking about..

If a church wishes to marry teo people who are not doing anything illegal, why does the State have any right to interfere. What other church acts do you want some bureaucrat to decide is proper?

#25 | Posted by northguy3 at

well I guess you could also find some way to justify jim jones's church too then couldnt you since it was 30 years ago this week that he gave libs the "KOOL AID" line...

Well--this might be a good choice. Finally someone from outside DC--although there are some ties with Clinton. She appears someone who is her own thinker.

Here is a link with a great deal of detail on her.

you cannot get "married" a religious concept
#20 | Posted by HillBillyJihad

some churches do marry them, it is up to the state to recognize them..There is a difference,
Posted by HillBillyJihad

So which is it? Is it a religious concept, or one that the state bestows? Maybe you should follow your own advice...

I wish you people would actually know what your talking about..

#26 | Posted by HillBillyJihad

Fucking tags

you cannot get "married" a religious concept
#20 | Posted by HillBillyJihad

some churches do marry them, it is up to the state to recognize them..There is a difference,
Posted by HillBillyJihad

So which is it? Is it a religious concept, or one that the state bestows? Maybe you should follow your own advice...

I wish you people would actually know what your talking about..

#26 | Posted by HillBillyJihad

Is this the first person from outside Washington to get appointed?

Regardless, it's good to see a new face.

And thanks for the perspective from AZ, HillBilly.

And on the subject of keeping your personal life private. The idea of heterosexuality is built in to the very fabric of society. There is nothing private about it. Places like Hooters are shoving heteroism down everybody's throat all the time. A gay person being gay is not flaunting anything, it's just being themselves.
I never said they would face state control or consequences for holding hands or kissing in public, but they often get accused of pushing their sexuality or being obnoxious for doing things that straights do everyday without thought.

Take Napolitano of instance. Politicians are always hugging and kissing their spouses on stage. If she is gay, and brought her girl on stage to kiss and hug she would be accused by you of not keeping her life private.

but they often get accused of pushing their sexuality or being obnoxious for doing things that straights do everyday without thought.

Can't remeber the last time I went to the Heterosexual Pride Parade.

Look TFD, there are two possible causes of homosexuality:

1. genetic
2. choice of behavior

If it's 1 - let's find a cure.
If it's 2 - they should be committed - they are not normal:

In behavior, normal refers to a lack of significant deviation from the average.

The Oxford English Dictionary defines "normal" as 'conforming to a standard'.

The French sociologist Emile Durkheim indicated in his Rules of Sociological Method that the most common behavior in a society is considered normal.

Hopefully we can find a cure -

The French sociologist Emile Durkheim indicated in his Rules of Sociological Method that the most common behavior in a society is considered normal.

Posted by ELCIDCE90

Probably explains why left-handed kids used to get their hands smacked with a ruler, tied behind their backs, or suffered other humiliations while being forced to write with their right hands.

No no, that was because left handedness was the mark of Satan, because Jesus was on God's righthand side.

Us Lefties Know.

Hopefully we can find a cure -

#34 | Posted by ELCIDCE90 at 2008-11-20 12:44 PM | Reply |

Hopefully we can. Though it shouldn't be for homosexuality, it should be for narrow and closed-minded people such as yourself.

The definition of normal is in constant evolution, what was considered normal 100-150 years ago is no longer normal (marrying at 13-14 for young girls, having a slave, having sex out of wedlock, etc, etc, etc,)

By your standards, your approach to eliminating slavery would have been to cure blacks from being...well, black.

The world must be a very scary place for people like you...no wonder you feel comfortable with some aspects of fascist ideology.

So is Napolitano gay?

Why would that matter?

Same for gays in the military--don't need to know about it, but if they can shoot a gun--enlist them to kill the enemy.

"Look TFD, there are two possible causes of homosexuality:

1. genetic
2. choice of behavior

If it's 1 - let's find a cure.
If it's 2 - they should be committed - they are not normal"

Why do you care? Who honestly cares how consenting adults live their lives. To some degree I can understand being against gay marriage because of the religious background to marriage, but as far as your steps to take to the causes I can only ask why do you see those 2 choices as the next step?

Seriously, why do you care?

I cannot believe You are trying to make an issue or find out about Janet Napolitano's sexuality..Believe it or not us righties do not care, we don't want to know. We just want her to be the Janet we know here.

If she did Kiss her "girlfriend" on stage at the conventiomn or something, of course as a christian person I would find it troubling, But I have been commanded "Love the sinner hate the sin" and I know here from Living here, she is a good politician..One of the very, very few..Why do you think she won in a red state, if you want to hurt her..just keep trying to guess whether she is a "carpet muncher" why is it to lefties themost important thing is whether you're gay, or black , or something other than an american

From what I've seen and read about Napolitano she seems like a very capable woman.

Dudes

I am trying to tell you, If you read my posts on this Goofy lefties blog, I am by no means a LIB or even a moderate, Janet has been a good moderate right democrat and is tough, Why do you think she wins in a red sate with 20 points or more. This is a good pick for Homeland, I just don't know how her sexuality became an issue..We never discuss it here in AZ, and neither does she..

If you keep it up, someone will bring all of it up and she will get denied and then you'll be crying..

Can't remeber the last time I went to the Heterosexual Pride Parade.

#34 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

Really, when was the last time you watched a football game? They have a celebration of heterosexuality in the parking lot at least once a month at the Hooters in the suburbs. Hell, even pretty much any political rally, where the pol is parading the wife kids around to prove how hetero and virile they are.
That is exactly my point, our society is so based on it that you don't even notice that you are flaunting your sexual preference in almost everything you do.
And I don't have a problem with that.
I'm not going to get into the ridiculousness of the rest of your post as to "curing" behavior that the majority does not find "normal".

I cannot believe You are trying to make an issue or find out about Janet Napolitano's sexuality..Believe it or not us righties do not care, we don't want to know. We just want her to be the Janet we know here.
#40 | Posted by HillBillyJihad

Which, if she is gay, is one who hides a major part of her life from you. You don't care as long as she actively keeps it a secret.

And I don't see being gay as an issue if it makes her less qualified or not. What I have a problem with is people who think if she even admits it are somehow "throwing it in our face" or "making an issue of it".

If she is gay, of course. I really know nothing about her.

Exactly!!!! I know it is hard to believe by a good majority of people still believe Homosexuality is a choice, caused by a mis-wiringng somewhere, to me it is like people who get Tattoos to show their "indviduality". That is what they say to make themselves feel better about it, It is a lack of self-esteem, self-worth and low morals..That is my opinion, Just like Homo's who think christians evangelising is a "horrendous unconstitutional' act..And If Janet is gay, so be it. I don't care as long as she keeps it to her home, and doesn't tell me that I am wrong because I don't accept it as just as "normal" as a man and a woman, if she does her job and I do mine, we get along great. If she starts telling me I am a bigot because I think her sexuality is something she should do in the privacy of her own home and not share like some kind of badge of honor..we got an issue

She may be a good DHS Secretary because she is smart and willing to make decisions. Beyond that, how can you be "qualified" to run a conglomeration of disparate entities ranging from Border Patrol and the Coast Guard, to FEMA. She is up to speed on border issues, but I suspect she will have her hands full becoming knowledgeable about port security among other things.

Oh good god, this whole argument that evolution would do away with homosexuality if it were genetic only speaks to the ignorance of it's proponents.

Latent, triggered responses to overcrowding are built into every single species of life on this planet, from lemming jumping to cannibalism to simple falling over and dying in the case of a few species.

Please, get a clue. Preferably from a biology book, and not the Bible.

"...flaunting your sexual preference"

TFD - if it is a preference, gays make the choice of lifestyle? If that is the case, they need to see a head doctor.

Why do we care? If you walk down the street and see someone sh*tting on the sidewalk, do you think to yourself - oh how sweet? No? Well guess what, some of us find seeing the act of two guys mugging on each other in public just as disgusting. Not for religious reasons either! It turns the stomach. Sometimes you just feel behavior is wrong - kind of like when you were on the playground in grade school and watched a couple of bullies beat up on a kid - you just felt bad.

And TFD - sex sells - if homosexuality had the market like heterosexuality, it would unfortunately be just as present in the outside world. Stop shoving the gay agenda down our throats and most of us would live and let live.

Think about smokers. Non-smokers hate the habit and do not want smoke blown in their faces. You want to smoke in your own house - go ahead, just not in front of me.

Great. Now all three braches of the Arizona state government are under GOP control.

If she starts telling me I am a bigot because I think her sexuality is something she should do in the privacy of her own home and not share like some kind of badge of honor..we got an issue

#46 | Posted by HillBillyJihad

I'll ask again, do you keep your sexuality in the privacy of your own home? Do you hold your wife's hand or kiss her in public? Introduce her to your friends? Thank her and point her out if your getting an award?

My very existence is NOT defined by my sexuality, For HOMOs it is. everything is about their sexuality..If they wanted to hold hands and Kiss, no one would care, some might look away. Just like some look away when they see a homeless person, or a salvation army bell-ringer, or a disabled vet or any other of the social ills YOU find troubling..So your argument is a a pathetic attempt at equality..But as before, if you march down the street in Buttless chaps, screaming "how special you are" or how your persecuted because someone thinks having another guys meat pipe in your pooper is gross..Your gonna lose that all day long

And if someone started to tell you you couldn't practice Christianity, or that you could no longer be an American citizen, how do you think you would start to define yourself, eh?

Meanwhile, I gotta say, you backwoods goob, I've NEVER seen a gay person in buttless chaps, not in all my years of clubbing, organizing, living in the city, etc, outside of the movies and photos of gay pride parades.

Seems to me you are suffering from some serious ignorance issues.

"If they wanted to hold hands and Kiss, no one would care, some might look away."

In some cases, yes. In others, people jump out of cars and beat them up, club them with bats, or leave them hanging on a fence in the cold to die.

It happens much more often than I'm sure you'd be comfortable acknowledging.

How often do you and your wife have to worry about that?

My very existence is NOT defined by my sexuality, For HOMOs it is.

#52 | Posted by HillBillyJihad

How nice of you to define how someone else views there very existence. I find it's always others who are obsessed with the butt sex part of homosexuality, not the gays themselves. The gay people I know talk about sex about the same as everyone else.
And here's a slight clue for you...oppression breeds flamboyance...maybe if gays weren't oppressed they wouldn't feel the need to go so crazy when they get the chance.

because someone thinks having another guys meat pipe in your pooper

#52 | Posted by HillBillyJihad

Point proven

"Point proven"

Exactly, TFDNihilist.

Their whole existence seems to be based on what they oppose. Their projections on to their "enemies" comes through loud and clear.

Hans

To anyone (either side) that actually cares about this woman's sexuality, you need to take long look at yourself and deal with the fact that gay people DO EXIST and no amount of fear on your part is going to change that.

Why, and How does her sexuality even enter into the equation? She already has a record as a Gov. Look at her record before you attack her.....and then, if you wish, attack on the issues.

In some cases, yes. In others, people jump out of cars and beat them up, club them with bats, or leave them hanging on a fence in the cold to die.

No matter how you feel about the behavior - this is an unacceptable reaction. Discussing the subject on the DR is one thing, acting out with physical violence is completely intolerable.

Heh. This is what happens when everyone pretty much agrees on an appointee, I guess.

Napolitano is a strong pick, and favored by both sides in general due to her fairness, firmness, temperament and experience with border issues. Nuff said.

As for whoever a way back when on this thread pointed out that she'll need to learn about port security, I ask "Why? Bush hasn't yet...."

I don't care which way she swings - and with her looks she probably doesn't have a lot of choice - but she opposed fencing the border and kept silent on other issues that might provide a clue as to how she intends to handle the security of the nation. If we were serious about it we'd insist on someone with experience like Admiral Fallon.

Then again my expectations for the coming administration aren't much above the current one.

The chick from Concrete Blonde is gonna head DHS?

Kind of an odd choice.

Be Well.

"Well guess what, some of us find seeing the act of two guys mugging on each other in public just as disgusting."

Okay, El Cid.

But I warn you - your inability to change with the times could backfire on you. I can see how - with the right judges in the right administration at the right time - how all this could culminate in disallowing all public displays of affection, because everyone's PDOA is icky to someone. I personally have serious problems with seeing a redneck slobbering into a Waffle House waitress's ear. Shouldn't I be able to get the possibility of such a horrific sight made impossible by law? I mean, hey, if we're going to try for an offense-free society, let's do it right.

I personally have serious problems with seeing a redneck slobbering into a Waffle House waitress's ear.

~MTW

Moi Aussi.

That sed, Spud realises that he'd rather live in a world where people felt free enuff to publically display their luff fer each other rather than one where the religous police or sommat is gonna pick you up fer a PDoA and toss you in the clink like in other less enlightened parts of the world.

That all sed and understood, lipstick lesbians making out in public is teh HAWT!

Woo Hoo! ^_^

"slobbering into a Waffle House waitress's ear"

The last Waffle House I will ever enter was in Atlanta.
The year was 1991.

Slobbering?

I think it was vomiting "into a Waffle House waitress's ear."

OK...I've been against people unfairly criticizing Barack before he's even president, and the Bullshit talking point about "clinton appointees aren't change" that even the AP is throwing out there like they're freepers.

That said...

Where's the bipartisan cabinet? Am I missing something?

3 'possible' cabinet appointments, none publicly accepted yet, one of them, Hillary, definitely still up in the air while Bill gives the transition team his records and they go through them.

15 Cabinet posts. 3 leaks of possible nominees.

Millions of mockers saying, "Where's the change?"

Ever heard of 'time'? That's what will take place between now and the formal announcements of Cabinet appointments.

Besides, a Cabinet does not change make. It's what the President does once they're in place in implementing policy. Thank God Obama as President will be one of the smartest people at meetings instead of the dullest knife in the drawer as Bush is.