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Thursday, November 20, 2008

eHarmony, Inc., which runs an online dating service for heterosexual couples, has reached a settlement in a discrimination case with the New Jersey attorney general's office and will create a new dating service for gays.

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Is the Pink Cupid ad on purpose?

wouldn't they be better off finding someone in a gay club in chelsea

eHomony

It's my understanding from single friends that places like Match.com show your profile with the proviso of something like, "45 year old man seeking woman 40 - 50." And it's partioned off so that you actually have to do a search as a man seeking a man in order to locate gay men on there. Same for lesbians.

So now it's a civil rights violation that private match making services cater to homosexuals? Come on. What BS. And you libs wonder why there is animosity towards homos?

I don't understand why a private business should have to create an identical service for homosexuals when our own government rejects that notion. Talk about hypocrisy. I say if there is a market for gay dating websites, they will be created (and I'm sure they are already out there - why force eHarmony to spend the money to create one?).

In fact, this guy who complained to the AG is a fucking whiner. Type "gay dating" into google and see how many national gay match sites come up.

"Type "gay dating" into google and see how many national gay match sites come up.

#7 | Posted by JOE "

I'll bite - how many?

hehehehehe good deal. Bout damned time.

Larry

Next thing you know, they'll have a site where someone can choose a Collie to date.

Fuck Off

Hahahaha

And if you do get a match, young Frankie here(or one of the other boys)is required by law to accompany you on the date.

#5 | Posted by ELCIDCE90 + #6 | Posted by JOE


About sums up what I was thinking when I posted this article.

Just as I would never be a member of a church that says my lifestyle is immoral I would never do business with a company that has a history of discrimination. There are plenty of gay dating sites so I doubt eharmony will really get that many gay customers.

Give them an inch and they will take a mile....

Gays wants to redefine everything about marriage.

I assume that this mean that gay dating websites now have to offer heterosexual matchmaking services.


Cheers

Ha! Another "Christian" based organization having to let go of it's "values" to stay around. The news gets better and better this week. (If you don't think EH is a nutty RW God Squad site just fill out an online app and see how many religious questions it asks you. They have been known discriminators for years...It's about time something was done about it. The less discrimination the better in the world, period.

"There are plenty of gay dating sites so I doubt eharmony will really get that many gay customers."

#15 | Posted by danni

Another fine argument for eHarmony not having to cater to gays and lesbians.

sure, best way to weed them out of the gene pool.

the new questionnaire will have inquiries such as:

do you eat fudge?

do you slur your s's?

are you straight acting or a flamer?

how many inches is your asshole dilated?

do gerbils offend you?

what is the largest item ever stuck in your rectum?

can you gargle and blow bubbles?

#21 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2008-11-20 11:05 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)Funny

hahahah

Are you close to Arkansas LarryMohr? I bet you could rent a sheep ifin yer real nice.

kc101 ? can you please keep your fetishes to yourself and the rest of the clan members?


Ha! Another "Christian" based organization having to let go of it's "values" to stay around. The news gets better and better this week. (If you don't think EH is a nutty RW God Squad site just fill out an online app and see how many religious questions it asks you. They have been known discriminators for years...It's about time something was done about it. The less discrimination the better in the world, period.

#18 | Posted by boyracer_x at 2008-11-20 10:12 AM | Reply | Flag:


DUH!!! They have always been a Christian dating site... the founder is a Christian marriage counselor... So of course they are going to ask religious questions....

Personally I think the gays get their panties in a twist over the smallest inclination of discrimination... even if it is a private business catering to a specific demographic and even if they have their own sites that are similar.. :/ I mean they have had gay.com for years (I only know about this one because my husbands former college roommate is gay and he always went on that site) does that mean that we get straight.com or hetero.com now?

(I only know about this one because my husbands former college roommate is gay and he always went on that site)
just talk about football and try to shake it off man calm down it's going to be ok, just put those thoughts outa your head k8blujay.

Well let's see it on both sides, we should be enforcing gay dating sites to set-up heterosexual sites.

I understand the need for anti-discrimination laws, but we should really be looking at it as it is nobody's business in the first place. What gives anyone the right to ask me my nationality, race, sexuality or religion, let alone the right to classify me because of it? The Government and some of these anti-discrimination groups are worse than some of the bigots out there.

Gay-oriented high school plan dropped

www.chicagobreakingnews.com

I agree brentrice1

Hey, does this mean I can go to www.pridedating.com and sue someone because they won't do an equivalent service for straight people?

No?

Huh. Then it's not "equal rights" that's being sought here, but preferential treatment. Hypocrisy.

Hey, does this mean I can go to www.pridedating.com and sue someone because they won't do an equivalent service for straight people?


Mais bien sur!

You're a real idiot, SAR.

"Duurrr, I took 2 years of French classes so I speak French better then actual French people!"

And yet you were the one who was dead wrong and just could own up to it.

Idiot indeed.

*couldn't

Actually, what I said was that since that is correct in Canadian French, and Spud is Canadian, that's correct for Spud. That was me admitting that I was wrong. I was under the misconception that standard French was the French used everywhere.

You're the moron who came along thinking Quebecois French is acceptable in France. You're the one who actually claimed that using incorrect words and completely misunderstanding sentence structure is "correct". You seriously think that you know better then actual French people. You are as stupid as Vernon "There's no such thing as race". Stupider, in fact. You actually claimed to know French better then French people. And you wonder why French people cant stand us? Here's a clue: if a survey was taken in France, morons like you are probably somewhere in the top 10 reasons why.

And, furthermore, you're trying to threadjack in some petty argument because you're too stupid to actually be able to refute what was said.

Do you have something to say that's actually on topic or are you just frightened that my penis might be larger then yours or something?

No. You were trying to embarrass Spud by claiming there wasn't even any such word. And I posted a polite and non-accusatory confirmation that "quelle" was indeed a word, and that the use of the expression "quelle surprise" is common French usage. You are the one who got defensive and tried to backpedal.

"You're the moron who came along thinking Quebecois French is acceptable in France."

It is not Quebecois. I posted 2 examples of its correct usage from French text books last night. Here is another example - from a dictionary... Please see #2 and deal with it.

New Pocket Oxford-Hachette French Dictionary 2005 Oxford University Press:
quel, quelle /kɛl/

1. determiner who;
what;
which;
je me demande quelle est la meilleure solution I wonder what the best solution is;
de ces deux mdicaments, ~ est le plus efficace? which of these two medicines is more effective?

2. adjective
1. what;
which;
quelle heure est-il? what time is it?;
dans ~ tiroir l'as-tu mis? which drawer did you put it in?;
~ ge as-tu? how old are you?;
2. what;
how;
quelle concidence! what a coincidence!;
3. quelle que soit la route que l'on prenne whatever or whichever road we take;
~ que soit le vainqueur whoever the winner may be

"Quebecois French"

Vancouver is a world away from Quebec.

Lo.

Yes, you're right, SAR. My Grandma Hope only lived in France until she was 28 and spends every summer in her old home back in her place of birth. But she doesn't know anywhere near as much about French as it's actually spoken as you do, because you have a DICTIONARY and TWO YEARS of CLASSES!

Tell me, do you go to England and say, "No, those are trucks you're driving! You live on the SECOND floor, you retard! And you get on an ELEVATOR to get there. You people are all fucking stupid! I have a dictionary that says you are wrong! Fucking morons!"

Quebecois French

It may be understandable, but it ain't very purty, like Brooklyn English.

Oh, and your post woulda taken less time to type if you'd just said,

"No, Sohei, I have nothing on topic to say. I cannot possibly be wrong on anything. The only thing that's actually on topic is my ego. Yes, it terrifies me that someone's penis might be larger then mine. It terrifies me so much that I believe that I can overcome it by being wrong on the internet. Except I'm not wrong. Foolish native speakers, trying to say that "Quelle" is only ACTUALLY used when referring to a question with multiple choices. What the fuck would a native speaker know?""

When does this intrusion and special treatment stop?


Next they will sue if eharmony does not advertise on TV for their gay site like they do for the hetero site.


Next they will sue Hooters to have gays and bisexuals hired to serve food.

Next they will sue the Boy Scouts--oh that's right --they already sued them....


They have already sued Wedding Planners for not planning a gay wedding, or taking photos for a gay wedding--or next they will sue cake people for not having the Man/Man or Woman/Woman on top of their cake.

And how is it that the gay sites for matching people are not required to offer hetero services?

"quelle que soit la route que l'on prenne"

#36 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Can you identify the verb tense being employed in your example? And why?

"Quebecois French"

Vancouver is a world away from Quebec.

#37 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2008-11-20 01:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well yes, but it strikes me as more likely that Spud would pick up an idiom from Quebec, then from France. I was the one who foolishly assumed there were no differences.

OK. Textbooks and dictionaries are wrong. Must be veritable plague of misprints.

You're right, the word "quelle" doesn't exist. Its only a city in Slovakia.

Go with that.

Rube.

"Next they will sue Hooters to have gays and bisexuals hired to serve food."

#41 | Posted by MURPHY

Have no doubt that some of the Hooterettes are lezzies. Great place to meet chicks for both guys and gals.

Can you identify the verb tense being employed in your example? And why?

#42 | Posted by ZOT at 2008-11-20 01:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Lol, if my Babelfish-fu is any good (and unlike SAR, I'll admit to using it when I can't get to Grandma Hope instantly) that means something like "Whatever road you choose to take" which proves my point.

Because that's using "what" as "which one" and not "what" as in "What a surprise!" Quelle surprise would make you sound awkward in France, but in Quebec, it's perfectly acceptable. (as it was explained to me)

I know French better then actual French people. I am an authority on this. The thought that your genitalia exceeds mine in both girth and length fills me with terrors unimaginable. Speaking like a dictionary does not ever make one sound awkward or foolish.

#44 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-11-20 01:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well, thanks for coming out and admitting you're insane there, SAR!

Still have a few bits of egg on your face there?

"Quelle surprise would make you sound awkward in France"

I see. But "quelle coincidence" as illustrated in the dictionary entry wouldn't be awkward.

Mmmm hmmm.

"I was the one who foolishly assumed there were no differences."

#43 | Posted by soheifox

There are definitely differences. I speak a Belgian flavor of French, which is peppered with words and phrases from the Walloon. There are expressions and words that do not compute when speaking with those snobby Parisians. Canukian French is no doubt polluted with Americanisms. American English is rife with words and phrases from the Great Melting Pot.

Take a look at a French language keyboard sometime. Ours is QWERTY. Theirs is AZERTY. Plus there are bunch of keys to accommodate all the accents. I had a hell of a time sending e-mail from over there.

I know all. Those who have lived this all their lives are fools. My teacher says I speak French really goodly, and that's the end of that.

Please stop pointing out reality, I need the last word or else I become aware of my micropenis.

#48 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-11-20 02:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sure thing, you can go ahead and have the last post after this one. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. Go ahead, kiddo, I'll let you make some sweeping statement about how I'm an idiot for believing an actual French person and you're right because you have a textbook that says it can sometimes be used the way I think it's always used by actual speakers.

"Whatever road you choose to take" which proves my point.

Because that's using "what" as "which one" and not "what" as in "What a surprise!" Quelle surprise would make you sound awkward in France, but in Quebec, it's perfectly acceptable. (as it was explained to me)"

#46 | Posted by soheifox

The question though was posed to SAR. The translation works, but how it is structured in French is quite specific.

One more slide down that slippery slope.

There are definitely differences. I speak a Belgian flavor of French, which is peppered with words and phrases from the Walloon. There are expressions and words that do not compute when speaking with those snobby Parisians. Canukian French is no doubt polluted with Americanisms. American English is rife with words and phrases from the Great Melting Pot.

Take a look at a French language keyboard sometime. Ours is QWERTY. Theirs is AZERTY. Plus there are bunch of keys to accommodate all the accents. I had a hell of a time sending e-mail from over there.

#50 | Posted by ZOT at 2008-11-20 02:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Which is sort of the problem here. You were already able to recognize that not everything is the same in every dialect. I failed to recognize it as well, which is why I was wrong, but it astounds me that someone else can also fail to recognize it and somehow claim I'm more wrong then I already admitted I was. People honestly fascinate me. There's absolutely no REASON to continue arguing with someone when they've already said they were wrong and know why they were wrong, but some people have to do it anyway.

It's sorta like Furio over on the sonar thread. People take their set of knowledge and declare it complete. Anything outside of that worldview is horrendously wrong.

I joke about penis size, but it really is insecurity. Nothing shakes a pride-filled person up quite like finding out that while they aren't WRONG, they're not _right_, either. It's the difference between being willing to learn "Holy cow, Quebecois French is different then mainland? Well I'll be darned. I was wrong" and not being willing to learn, "I took classes and have a dictionary. I am absolutely right, no matter what. If people don't use language the way I say they should, they're wrong." It took a motorcycle crash for me to be able to recognize that book learning alone is not enough to get by in the world.

What's it gonna take for SAR?

Zot--Does Hooters have male waiters?

Does Hooters have male waiters?

Nope. You have to go to Howard's Johnson for that.

(Jeffy works there part-time. Short order chef.)

Does Hooters have male waiters?
#55 | Posted by MURPHY

No, but there's a reservations clerk in Houston: (WARNING! NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART)
www.bobsakamano.com

Someone actually tried to sue Hooters about that but failed:

www.answers.com

That's why the eHarmony thing blows my mind. They set themselves up as a service for straight people... as Hooters is set up as a place to ogle sexy waitresses. If Hooters won... so should have eHarmony.

..the problem being, then, legally, you would be able to set up a place that explicitly only hires white people. It's a messy, stupid precedent to have set. However, the eHarmony precedent ALSO makes it so that I am able to sue pride dating to have a straight component with equal attention to it. It's sort of the overall thing that some lawsuits just shouldn't be done; and this is one of them.

.. I just saw the flaw in my first paragraph. Hooters is hiring people, not turning away customers.

My first large parahraph I withdraw, but I do stand by my second one.

Dsicrimination? Why not make it illegal to carry an ad mentioning age, or gender, or any preferences? After all, if the applicant indicated that coitus was enjoyed, it would discriminate against gays, who are not equipped and are forced to specialize in mouths and assholes.

This is the slippery slope that comes from anti-discrimination laws, a bad intiative. They should be eliminated and people provided freedom of association and the right to do business with whomsoever they wish.

What next? The cat houses in Nevada forced to provide all services to all people?

In San Francisco, the "virtue police" bust a John for dissing the "service provider" by wearing a condom.

Government intrusion in the everday lives of people is increasing. There is less and less freedom of choice, and more and more "rights" extended to some, which impose "liabilities" on others.

In some instances, this is overt, and in others, choice is limited by taxation and allocation of funds by the government, limiting the opportunity of the taxpayer to direct his own life. Rather than having a beer at Joe's Tavern with his buddies after a hard day on the trading floor, the money is taken from the taxpayer and diverted to pay for obstetric care for an illegal alien woman, who will have an anchor baby. So, taxpayer goes home, and watches TV there instead, and has a less costly brew at home annoyed with his wife and kids for interrupting his reverie with their clamor for attention.


Gays in America are routinely spat upon by the heterosexual majority. Let gays enjoy their small victory. They still can't marry. And they're still the favorite punching bag of the Religious Right.

Has anyone considered that if gay marriage is legalized that churches might be required to perform gay wedding ceremonies? Imagine the churches of America being forced to marry people under penalty of discrimation lawsuits. That would hilarious.

Imagine the churches of America being forced to marry people under penalty of discrimation lawsuits. That would hilarious.

#61 | Posted by KnowsTooMuch at 2008-11-20 02:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think that's sort of why gay marriage keeps failing. That's the only one single point I'm willing to give the bigots on that topic, because I can see that happening.

Question: Does anyone remember reading any stories about a whites-only church or whatever and if any lawsuits were brought... if so, how were they settled?

Has anyone considered that if gay marriage is legalized that churches might be required to perform gay wedding ceremonies?

#61 | Posted by KnowsTooMuch


That was one of the scare tactics used by the pro Prop 8 campaign, (along with the "they'll make us teach homosexuality in public schools" ruse). No one has ever even mentioned such a possibility, and I'm reasonably sure it would be unconstitutional.

Such B.S. The founder of eHarmony is a devout Christian now must be forced to change its website to satisfy a group of people whose lifestyle is inconsistent with his religious beliefs. California really sucks. Watch the dumb liberal Democrat California Supreme Court overturn the will of millions of voters again by overturning Prop 8 which bans gay marriage.

With Prop. 8, gay marriage will be taught in schools under the same argument. It's sad that liberal Democrats have declared a war on God and Christianity.


Michelle Malkin reports:

So, this is "progress?" eHarmony, a Christian-targeted dating website, gets sued by a gay man demanding that the business match him up with a same-sex partner. The New Jersey Attorney General intervenes on behalf of the gay plaintiff and forces eHarmony to change its entire business model. To be clear: The company never refused to do business with anyone. Their great "sin" was not providing a specialized service that litigious gay people demanded they provide. This case is akin to a meat-eater suing a vegetarian restaurant for not offering him a ribeye or a female patient suing a vasectomy doctor for not providing her hysterectomy services. Sadly, eHarmony has settled . I wish they hadn't, but I understand the decision given the chilling antics of the anti-Prop. 8 mob. The company agreed not only to offer same-sex dating services on a new site, but also to offer six-month subscriptions for free to 10,000 gay users.

The solution to these lawsuits is simple: Start going after every "Rainbow" (aka monochromatic) coalition and force diversity. Gay resort? Sue em. Gay only hotel? Sue em. Gay porn website? Sue em. If they don't have services, you know soft-focused Christian interludes, spas, hotels, etc., they're not being diverse.

www.melissaclouthier.com

I know how y'all love Michie.

www.gaypatriot.net

Will the attempt of the gay activists to impose equality through the courts never cease?

Not content with the numerous websites offering to match him with a male partner, a gay New Jersey man sued eHarmony, a dating service catering to Christians, because it would not match him with a male partner.

I guess maybe I should sue to make sure they provide services for Jews. And while I'm at it, maybe we'll have a Christian sue Jdate, "The Leading Jewish Singles Network."

This is nothing more than a nuisance lawsuit. He just felt hurt because a website offered dating services for heterosexuals, but not for him. His plea for equality has succeeded. With the help of the New Jersey Attorney General, he forced eHarmony to settle.* It will now offer a companion site for same-sex matches.

eHarmony has now lost its freedom to offer the kind of dating services its founder wished to provide.

"Will the attempt of the gay activists to impose equality through the courts never cease?"

*Gasp* How DARE they want...*gasp!*...equality!

eHarmony has now lost its freedom to offer the kind of dating services its founder wished to provide.

#66 | Posted by kerrin57

Au contraire. He has not been prohibited in any way from continuing to offer opposite-sex dating services.

But maybe we should give it a different name to make ourselves feel better, huh?

It's funny that somebody had to sue them to make them accept more customers.

I don't know where some of you get your information, but gay businesses have also been sued -- successfully -- for not catering to straights. It's happened with several gay B&Bs and resort inns.

If I'm not mistaken, eHarmony advertises itself as a dating service "for everyone", no? I could be mistaken as I usually channel-surf during commercials.

They also tout their "scientific" system of matching people -- supposedly a very successful system -- and even have a patent on it. If you believe their marketing, then they, in fact, offer a service that no one else could provide, so they did leave gay people with no comparable option.

All that said, I think the man shouldn't have brought this suit, but, contrary to what so many of you seem to think, he didn't get authorization from Gay Central.

#70 | Posted by BobSF_94117 at 2008-11-20 05:13 PM

I don't know where some of you get your information, but gay businesses have also been sued -- successfully -- for not catering to straights. It's happened with several gay B&Bs and resort inns.

I'm opposed to the state compelling people to provide services to other people, or inns and bars to accommodate people to whom they don't wish to cater, either way.

I suppose that homosexuals are careful to choose targets that don't pose a threat. It's similar to women's groups proclaiming "sisterhood," and making noise in the U.S., but being silent concerning abusive treatment of women in Islamic countries, For example, I haven't heard of homosexuals demanding "service" at a straight biker bar. Sissies?

Are they bullies, who lack the mettle to push their agenda based on "principles" but carefully choose non-threatening targets to intimidate?

I wonder why any straight would want to patronize a "gay" bar with the company available there.

This country has gone mad with its catering to special interest groups and creating "rights" that subject other people to "liabilities.

#68 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-11-20 04:27 PM

Au contraire. He has not been prohibited in any way from continuing to offer opposite-sex dating services.

But maybe we should give it a different name to make ourselves feel better, huh?


No, instead it is required to provide adjunct services that it found sufficiently distasteful that it did not exploit the market on its own initiative, and instead voluntarily relinquished the opportunity to possibly earn additional revenue.

Homosexuals continue to advance the pretense that their function is not an abnormality. It is the homosexual crowd that is trying "to make itself feel better" by advancing the pretense of normalcy, and some weakminded people have been complicit, motivated by pity or whatever in participating in a form of folie a deux, and regarding the illness as normal. Rogue, no matter what inroads are made in eliciting statements and conduct supporting the pretense, as the movie magnet said, "A tree is a tree. A rock is a rock. Shoot that picture in Griffith Park." The underlying reality is the nature of homosexual conduct, which I need not even describe as you yourself recognize its deviance.

Your task, oh might Johnson, then, is to convince the American public to rescind all anti-discrimination laws which force folks like you to associate with "undesirables", whether they be Jews or blacks or Chinese or Pentecostals or Catholics or Irish, etc. etc.

As I recall, we used to be organized that way. Lots of folks didn't much like it. I suspect you would have felt right at home.

Anybody else remember an old song by the name of Johnny One Note?

The lesser known subtitle is | Posted by Johnson

I wonder why any straight would want to patronize a "gay" bar with the company available there.

Seriously. My asshole is fine without someone's unexpected dong thrusting in and out of it. Thanks, though.

#63 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-11-20 03:17 PM

That was one of the scare tactics used by the pro Prop 8 campaign, (along with the "they'll make us teach homosexuality in public schools" ruse). No one has ever even mentioned such a possibility ...

But Rogue, homosexuality as "normal" is taught in the public schools nowadays. The prospect was a bogeyman, not in that it would happen, but in that it was a fait accompli and is being taught in the schools irrespective of the amendment. Why there are even sponsored clubs in the schools promoting the normalcy of homosexual conduct.
... and I'm reasonably sure it would be unconstitutional.

Come on, now. The Justices are not restrained by any precedent or any language or any logic. They nowadays operate by fiat. If they want an outcome, they just make a declaration that will accomplish it. Why retired Supreme Court Justice O'Connor said so and demonstrated the fact in the Michigan case. Auras? Indeed.

Actually I don't see how eHarmony was discriminating at all from a business stand point. Unless I am wrong homosexual people CAN use it. There is nothing that says if you cannot access the site or use their services if you are gay or bisexual...but the service is to provide opposite sex partners and therefor probably not going to provide you what you're looking for.

This is like walking into a seafood restaurant and saying that you are allergic to/don't like seafood and demanding they give you something not on their menu. No one is stopping you from dining there... you just probably are not inclined to want what they are serving. eHarmony is a private business catering to a niche market focused on a specific life style...unless they are physically preventing the person access to the service they are offering they aren't really discriminating based on their preferences...

"Give them an inch and they will take a mile....

Gays wants to redefine everything about marriage."

Okay, Takitez:

Let's do it your way, and force everyone gay back into the closet. Once we've accomplished that, let's force 'em all to marry women in hopes it'll "straighten them out."

Now tell me, do you really want your daughter to be trapped in a fraudulent marriage with some guy who really doesn't turn on to women, but is doing the best he can to get along in a hostile society? Do you want your "little goil" to spend her nights in bed wondering what's wrong with the marriage, what's wrong with her? Do you want her to go through the pain that occurs when her hubby can take no more of the pretense and tells her the truth?

Or would you rather she found herself some nice straight guy who's interested in her and who will gladly dance the Horizontal Polka with her anytime she wants?

For all your fire and brimstone and dire warnings, they're here, they're queer, get used to it. Grow up and accept that not everyone is just like you, and that it is no skin off your ass if they're not. No real man worries two seconds over anyone else's love life, politics or religion; he's got his own thing going on, he's happy with it, and he hopes everyone else is happy too.

Seriously, grow up and become a man.

No real man worries two seconds over anyone else's love life, politics or religion; he's got his own thing going on, he's happy with it, and he hopes everyone else is happy too.

Seriously, grow up and become a man.

#79 | Posted by MaryTylerWhore at 2008-11-20 07:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

... and yet you're here every day, worrying about each of those things.

"... and yet you're here every day, worrying about each of those things."

Typical rightie snappy answer - sounds good until you go and check the facts.

What I worry about here is the right of every American to decide those matters as he or she sees fit.

Big difference, but one that will elude you and your ilk forever.

Big difference, but one that will elude you and your ilk forever.

#81 | Posted by MaryTylerWhore at 2008-11-20 07:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm not a rightie.

You, however, are stupid in addition to being a hypocrite.

Frivolous, bullshit lawsuit.

EHarmony was modeled using algorithms based on Hetero couples.

I'm not so sure that they can accurately do the same for Gays if they simply don't possess the knowledge.

Imagine yourself as a match maker for hetero couples (and that's your expertise) and now imagine you've been sued by someone so you have to find them a gay partner. It probably wouldn't work out very well.

You'd end up pairing Tom Cruise with Rosie O'Donnell.

"It probably wouldn't work out very well."

Yeah, it's not like we're dealing with the same species or something...

Isn't it either odd, funny or chickenshit that gays sue eHarmony but not Muslim Singles dating services?

"That's Odd?... Gays Sue eHarmony- Ignore Muslim Singles" gatewaypundit.blogspot.com

"You, however, are stupid in addition to being a hypocrite."

Forgive me, dear Soheifox - it was my fault for having anything to do with you in the first place.

"It probably wouldn't work out very well."

Yeah, it's not like we're dealing with the same species or something...

#84 | Posted by BobSF_94117 at 2008-11-20 09:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Before posting your knee-jerk response, did you ever stop to think that the Founder of the site had a specific knowledge of relationships (in this case, hetero) and marketed a product that reflected that.

This isn't just some site where you post pictures and a blurb, it uses a sophisticated aglorithm that took time to create.

"Or would you rather she found herself some nice straight guy who's interested in her "

Or maybe she could be the one attempting to deny her true natural orientation and will find herself some nice woman to meet her needs.

"Actually I don't see how eHarmony was discriminating at all from a business stand point. Unless I am wrong homosexual people CAN use it. There is nothing that says if you cannot access the site or use their services if you are gay or bisexual...but the service is to provide opposite sex partners and therefor probably not going to provide you what you're looking for.


This is like walking into a seafood restaurant and saying that you are allergic to/don't like seafood and demanding they give you something not on their menu. No one is stopping you from dining there... you just probably are not inclined to want what they are serving. eHarmony is a private business catering to a niche market focused on a specific life style...unless they are physically preventing the person access to the service they are offering they aren't really discriminating based on their preferences..."
#78 | Posted by OnionCake at 2008-11-20 06:32 PM

To me this is the best argument so far. As long as they don't reject people because they are gay, they aren't really doing anything wrong. However, if they will only match people with opposite sex partners than they really aren't doing anything wrong.
If, however, they refuse to even allow the person to use their product because he is gay, then there is a problem. But, as the OnionCake said, they really weren't.

The eHarmony Shakedown

Don't like what eHarmony sells? Go somewhere else. There are thousands upon thousands of dating sites on the Internet that cater to gays, lesbians, Jews, Muslims, Trekkies, runners, you name it.

No matter. In the name of tolerance, McKinley refused to tolerate eHarmony's right to operate a lawful business that didn't give him what he wanted. He filed a discrimination complaint against eHarmony with the New Jersey Division on Civil Rights in 2005.

To be clear: eHarmony never, ever refused to do business with anyone. The company broke no laws. Their great "sin" was not providing a politically correct service that a publicity-seeking gay plaintiff demanded they provide. For three years, the company battled McKinley's legal shakedown artists -- and staved off other opportunists as well. The dating site had been previously sued by a lesbian looking to force the company to match her up with another woman, and by a married man who ridiculously sought to force the company to find him prospects for an adulterous relationship.

www.gopusa.com

I guess we could say that E-Harmony and the Homosexual Mafia are now consenting adults on this agreement?

Isn't amazing how mutual consent makes all things right in this world?

It's a beautiful world!


I think that is ridiculous to require eHarmony.Com to provide their services to Gays.

If I were searching for a same sex match I would probably not pay the folks at eHarmony.Com to help me.
I would be afraid of their lack of expertise and knowledge of the people in whom I would have an interest. All of their vast experience seems to be with hetreosexual people.

Do business with the real experts.

This settlement bothers me. I'm in favor of gay rights, but it cheapens the effort to force a company that doesn't want to support gay dating to create a matchmaking service for them. There are numerous gay dating services. The way this should have been handled is for gays to patronize a service that caters to them, not to force other services to support them under threat of litigation.

Commonsense:

Before posting your knee-jerk response, did you ever stop to think that the Founder of the site had a specific knowledge of relationships (in this case, hetero) and marketed a product that reflected that.

This isn't just some site where you post pictures and a blurb, it uses a sophisticated aglorithm that took time to create.


Well, my "knee-jerk response" was that the guy who sued is a dweeb and should just look elsewhere.

The fact that the site has the algorithm you mention and is more than just a pic-and-blurb site is actually the only rational justification FOR the lawsuit. If eHarmony's techniques are in fact exclusively available through eHarmony, then the man was right in suing for access. (Mind you, I doubt the value of the method, so I discount his cause.)

The likely truth here is that the founder (note the lowercase "f") really just doesn't want to serve gay people. eHarmony has also been criticized for its preference for same-race couples evidenced by their advertising campaign and results that some participants have experienced (allegedly the algorithm is biased).

Eventually, I guess we'll see if they use the same algorithm for the gay site -- same, I'm right / different, you're right. And, by the way, to my mind, the resolution of the lawsuit is, in fact, a loss for gay people. Creating a separate but equal site does a disservice to bisexual people and continues to "hide" gay people from those in the straight site.

My personal opinion is that eHarmony's founder just didn't want his heterosexual customers to even see the options "man seeking man" or "woman seeking woman". Apparently, "decent people" object to the concept itself.

This was your response to my post:


Yeah, it's not like we're dealing with the same species or something...

#84 | Posted by BobSF_94117 at 2008-11-20 09:21 PM | Reply | Flag:


I'm somehow supposed to get "guy who sued is a dweeb and should just look elsewhere" out of that?

"I'm somehow supposed to get "guy who sued is a dweeb and should just look elsewhere" out of that?"

"Knee-jerk reaction" is one's first reaction, no? So... you should have looked for my first comments in the thread to see what my "knee-jerk reaction" was, no? See #70 and #71.

What you should have gotten out of my comment to YOU, about what YOU said, is that gay people look for the same sorts of characteristics in life-partners. We are human, after all. I suppose it's possible that the super-secret eHarmony algorithm won't work to match gay couples, but no one will know if eHarmony doesn't try it.

"The fact that the site has the algorithm you mention and is more than just a pic-and-blurb site is actually the only rational justification FOR the lawsuit. If eHarmony's techniques are in fact exclusively available through eHarmony, then the man was right in suing for access. (Mind you, I doubt the value of the method, so I discount his cause.)

The likely truth here is that the founder (note the lowercase "f") really just doesn't want to serve gay people. eHarmony has also been criticized for its preference for same-race couples evidenced by their advertising campaign and results that some participants have experienced (allegedly the algorithm is biased)."

The owners of the company do not bar you from using their website if you are homosexual. However they only pair people with heterosexual partners. Gay people can use it, but they won't get what they want. I am a strong proponent of gay rights, but this is ridiculous. Using the restaurant analogy that seems popular:
A vegetarian couldn't sue a steakhouse because they only serve meat.
As long as an individual is given access to it, they have no right to sue the company.
Again, this man forced a company, which was operating perfectly legally, to cut their profits to create another company that will probably run at a deficit because of the poor quality (they have no expertise in this field) and the competing market. Not okay.

does anyone really use these rip off matching services?

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