Obamas promise to promote stem cell research looks beter and better. We'd better develope this technology before we have to pay other countries for their leadership.

Even Nancy Reagan - wife of St. Ronny - is in favor of stem cell research.

W will be too when his body parts start giving out.

"Obamas promise to promote stem cell research looks beter and better."

Obama is promising to overturn the ban on federally funded embryonic stem cell research whereas this was a use of adult stem cells.

This along with recent advances in induced stem cells reported in two papers published in Science this month are good news for the possibility for the use of personalized, adult stem cell therapies becoming common place.

JPW

Obama is promising to overturn the ban on federally funded embryonic stem cell research whereas this was a use of adult stem cells.

The stem cell issue, among others, was one of the specific reasons I voted for Obama. So much valuable research and development into the use of stem cells for cures has been wasted for the last eight years under Bush who refused to back any embryonic fund stem cell research or to bother really putting the full weight and resources of our government behind any kind of stem cell research.

It's a shame to think how far we might have progressed on diseases like Alzheimers, Parkinsons, cancer, MS, diabetes, by now had not stem cell research been stifled under Bush.

Well, the "scientific/medical dark ages" of the Bush Administration are now behind us. Stem cell research can now, hopefully, make giant strides towards cures in the future for so many diseases and illnesses which bring such heartache to those who suffer from them and to their families.

CC

I wonder how much of Bush's intransigence on the stem cell issue was morally based and how much was pressure from Big Pharma to prevent the cure of diseases that rake in billions a year for their pills that treat symptoms only and provide no cure.

Stem cell research must make Big Pharm tremble. Imagine what curing diseases would mean to their bottom lines. Based on research (and now proof of our ability to grow new organs) perhaps cure diabetes (among others) look just over the horizon in just a number of years.

Imagine being cured with one shot of a plethora diseases. Bush will be a big fan when his own body starts wearing out.

Based on research (and now proof of our ability to grow new organs) cures like diabetes (among others) look just over the horizon in just a number of years.

It is beginning to look like the Scarecrow and Tin Man problems will soon be taken care of, unfortunately the Lion will have to settle for assertiveness training.

"The stem cell issue, among others, was one of the specific reasons I voted for Obama. So much valuable research and development into the use of stem cells for cures has been wasted for the last eight years under Bush who refused to back any embryonic fund stem cell research or to bother really putting the full weight and resources of our government behind any kind of stem cell research."

While I agree that the past eight years could have been better for stem cell research (and pretty much all science...), it hasn't been a complete loss. Adult stem cells have made large strides and so have other fields.

For the record, I am in favor of embryonic stem cell research, but there is potentially a better option in the works that I think will overshadow embryonic stem cells once we've perfected the technique.

Whichever stem cells work first in curing disease all the better.

Millions of fertilized eggs in fertility clinics all over America. This isn't necessarily an issue related to abortion. Those eggs are destroyed every day and yet *crickets* from the "Pro-Life" crowd. Their struggle as it relates to stem cell research is antithetical to saving life.

Imagine the immense improvement in health and our economy as diseases are diagnosed and health restored with a shot rather than endless expensive pills or hospitalization.

AU

CC

I wonder how much of Bush's intransigence on the stem cell issue was morally based and how much was pressure from Big Pharma to prevent the cure of diseases that rake in billions a year for their pills that treat symptoms only and provide no cure....

I'd have to make a guess and say maybe 1/3rd of Bush's refusal to advance stem cell research was possibly due to pressure from Big Pharma, 1/3rd due to pressure from his far rightwing Evangelical base who did not want any embryonic stem cell research due to their own personal religious reasons, and 1/3 because Bush is truly an ignorant and selfish man. If it didn't personally benefit him and/or his family and friends, he really didn't care if medical cures were made available for others. Look at the cuts Bush made to the budget for so many important medical programs. That tells you a lot about the man too.

Bush truly was the most ignorant President we ever had when it came to showing any interest in science and medical research. Even Nancy Reagan's plea to Bush to allow more research into stem cells after she lost her husband to Alzheimers fell on deaf ears.

I wish sickness on no person in the world. But you wonder, sometimes, if later on Bush or someone close to him in his family ever comes down with Parkinsons or diabetes or Alzheimers and he finds the disease could have been cured had not he himself cut back and wasted eight years of advancement into stem cell research and cures when he was President, how he would feel then.

Well, no sense in crying over spilt milk. Those eight years were wasted but lets hope now with this new Administration we can all make up time in advancing new cures with stem cell research. The possibilities for so many cures are mindboggling. My cousin who just turned 42 was diagnosed with MS this summer. I hope for a cure to be found for MS for her and for diseases suffered by so many others thru advancements in stem cell cures.

But you wonder, sometimes, if later on Bush or someone close to him in his family ever comes down with Parkinsons or diabetes or Alzheimers and he finds the disease could have been cured had not he himself cut back and wasted eight years of advancement into stem cell research and cures when he was President, how he would feel then.

My feeling is his self absorbed nature may preclude thoughts like that from entering his mind unless he's visited by "The Ghost of Christmases Past" on any given Christmas Eve. George has a hard time acknowledging the obvious left to his own devices.

AU -

I'm gone from DR for the evening but thought maybe you'd check back on this thread and might see this post.

This is a totally unrelated subject to this thread, but have you ever given any thought to writing a book of all your adventures in the music business over the years? You know, the times you were with the USO, the different band members and various people in that biz you came across and traveled with over the years? You really should consider writing it all down in some sort of story form. You have so many interesting stories to tell. Hey, I know I'd buy a copy of your book!

Good night :)

CC

I'm probably going to save most of those stories for long afternoons on the front porch of the rest home - if I can remember them by then. LOL

Some will be attributed to Alzheimer's rather than real events. Like the time George Harrison called and came over my buddy's cabin in Sunland at 2 am and then .....

to my buddy's cabin

Hey, I know I'd buy a copy of your book!

I'd give you one if you weren't such an enigma LOL

It doesn't matter, we still oppose stem cell research, we are against scientific progress and we want people to suffer.

Sincerely

The Flat Earther Creationist Fanatical Religious Right

Noooo, we want FEDERALLY FUNDED embryonic stem cells !!!

-Obama and the Democrat gang-

#17 | Posted by KBM

WTF do you care?

There is a difference between adult stem cell research and embryonic stem cell research.

This resulted from adult stem cell.

I do not care that much one way or another, but I believe it is a bit hypicritical to lump them all together as stem cell research.

I believe that most if not all of the stem cell advances we have seen are from using adult stem cells.

No one is against adult stem cell research. So to characterize those who are against embryonic stem cell research as being against *all* stem cell research is as I said earlier, hypocritical.

SAWDUST

What about the gazillions of fertilized eggs fertility clinics destroy every year. I've heard *crickets* on doing something useful with them besides flushing them down the toilet.

While I don't care whether or not we use embryonic stem cells, the fact that we don't have to is clearly evidenced by this article. Any non sequiturs about the religious right should therefore be rejected accordingly.

Noooo, we want FEDERALLY FUNDED embryonic stem cells !!!

-Obama and the Democrat gang-

#17 | Posted by KBM

Wrong. We want the ban lifted on embroyinc stem cell research. There are a plethora of private entities engaged research. The federal govt has been totally shut out of that research. The National Institutes of Health should also receive federal funds to find cures to the diseases that plague our society and drain so much of our resources.

Diseases Big Pharm is only interested in providing pills to treat the symptoms of. Last major cure for a disease? Polio. Salk's research funded by the federal government. Imagine how much it would have cost to still be treating and assisting patients with chronic and/or permanent effects of polio?

Don't tell us there aren't new lines about to be flushed down the toilet in fertility clinics this very day.

Obamas promise to promote stem cell research looks beter and better. We'd better develope this technology before we have to pay other countries for their leadership.

#1 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob
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Last I checked, New York is in this country. Which begs an obvious question: why didn't this breakthrough happen somewhere the host government funds the research? Isn't is possible that the research will go on, without Barney Frank looking over some doc's shoulder?

Millions of fertilized eggs in fertility clinics all over America. This isn't necessarily an issue related to abortion. Those eggs are destroyed every day and yet *crickets* from the "Pro-Life" crowd.

For some reason I can't picture them picketing outside of fertility clinics, calling women whores & murders and telling them they're going to hell. You'd think fertility clinics would be prime targets, because under their definition of life, they're killing thousands of babies. I've also never heard of fertility doctors receiving death threats or having to wear bullet proof jackets on their way to work.

OK

So when can we replace boner and enhancement pills with stem cells?

"Noooo, we want FEDERALLY FUNDED embryonic stem cells !!!"

You may be too stupid to want federally funded medical research but fortunately most Americans aren't.

Someday soon doctors may even be able to replace the damaged portions of right winger's brains.

Maybe. Now that Dems have us in the business of federally funding investment banks, car companies, insurers, and General Electric, there's little reason to believe we shouldn't send American medicine into the crapper too.

Kinda amusing, when you think about it. Every stock index on planet earth is down 10% or more since Obama's been elected, and every company that's lined up for federal money has seen it's stock get annihilated.

Maybe more big government isn't the answer, after all. Still, you know best. But just in case, keep your brain to yourself. Mine's working okay.

" . . . has seen its stock . . . "

Apologies.

And the lines formed outside clinics and hospitals with anxious, desperate men and uber-diesel lesbians all seeking the same proceedure...grow me a big, new crank. Screw saving lives...we want to be hung like Holmes.

Like the government hasn't been funding medical research for decades.....what are you even talking about RisR????

I wonder how much of Bush's intransigence on the stem cell issue was morally based - AU

Wonder no more. The only moral base Bush knows is on the baseball field.

Maybe. Now that Dems have us in the business of federally funding investment banks, car companies, insurers, and General Electric, there's little reason to believe we shouldn't send American medicine into the crapper too.

Um, who sprung the impending crisis on America? Wasn't Congress. It was the treasury secretary who could have warned of the potential for disaster months before with his inside status as Treas Sec and former CEO of Goldman-Sachs whispers, but chose to apparently tell no one but Bush until the sky was already falling.

Thank God Congress wasn't run by Tom Delay and Bill Frist when it happened. They already presided over the largest national debt and corporate welfare in the history of America. Take Medicare Plan B or our $10,000,000,000,000 (trillion) debt for instance ...

Someday soon doctors may even be able to replace the damaged portions of right winger's brains.

~Danni.

FF fer Danni.

Noooo, we want FEDERALLY FUNDED embryonic stem cells !!!"

-Obama and the Democrat gang-

#17 | Posted by KBM

Was that supposed to sarcasm?

Not particularily good at it, are ya?

Yes, let's keep giving billions in bailouts to people on Wall Street and not one penny to life saving research./snark>

Makes nothing but nonsense to Spud.

/Ya see, that's wot sarcasm is supposed to look like.

In point of fact, they never actually grew this lady a new windpipe from scratch. They took a donor trachea, cleansed it, then took stem cells from this womans bone marrow and multiplied it into tissue cells which they then grew on the donated trachea before successfully installing it inside her body via surgery.

Still, the fact that she doesn't have to fear rejection as she would in a normal transplant operation makes this historical first both notable and laudable.

Good eye, BBob.

Be Well.

Isn't is possible that the research will go on...

AND

...federally funded...

I know I've addressed this dozens of times but the ignorant continue to push disinformation that in effect provides the drug companies with a nearly exclusive right to develop the technology.

Bush opposed the use of any facility that receives federal funds from sharing those facilities even if there was private funding for the research that apportioned the use and paid for all materials and salaries. Washington University (St Louis) protested this decision with Senator Jack Danforth in the lead.

The Bush prohibition, therefore, required universities to build a completely separate facility to perform the research or lose all federal funds, including funding for students.

Given the experimental nature of the technology, and the financial risks involved, the research has been underfunded for the last 7 years.

Um, who sprung the impending crisis on America? Wasn't Congress.

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Actually it was. It was Frank and Dodd and Shumer and the Dems in Congress, and the wimp-wristed Repubs in Congress who promised to rein in Fannie and Freddie and Sallie, and did not. And it was Bush. And it was Clinton. And it was Goldman and JPM and BAC and hundreds of thousands of subprime mortgage lenders and tens of millions of subprime mortgage borrowers. And now that the chickens have come home to roost, and all these people now pretend to know how to fix things, if we only can pony up a few trillion dollars. And the funny thing? Except for Bush, every one of those guys responsible will still be on the job in two months.

No thanks.

Thank God Congress wasn't run by Tom Delay and Bill Frist when it happened.
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LMAO. Yeah. Because the next Congress won't be running up huge deficits.

You're funny. Tell ya what: let's take all federal spending back to 2000 levels, and it'll thrill me to no end. Including on Medicare and Social Security and Defense--all of it. When the Dems do something similar to that, I'll know they're serious. And when you encourage them to, I'll know YOU'RE serious. Otherwise, you're just another hack who doesn't mind the spending, as long as it's your guys kiting the checks.

Every stock index on planet earth is down 10% or more since Obama's been elected

...and the average price of gas has dropped by a dollar since Obama was elected. Are you trying to establish a correlation between the current world-wide recession and Obama's election? If so, you're an idiot...

You mentioned everyone except who was really to blame RisR. Any discussion about the mortgage crisis without naming Greenspan is simply right wing partisan attempt to shift the blame and utter nonsense. Were it posted by someone else I might just attribute it to lack of knowledge, with you it is simple dishonesty.

Actually the market was down 500 points the day after Obama was elected and justy for the record son crude has been dropping for months due to the dollar getting stronger and decrease in demand

"Now that Dems have us in the business of..."

Right, because it's just the Dems pushing/passing bailout packages.

"We want the ban lifted on embroyinc stem cell research. "

There is no ban on embryonic stem cell research, only a ban on deriving new lines or using federal money on newly created lines.

If the markets were confident Obama were as smart and intelligent as advertised, maybe they would be behaving differently.

But as it happens, his economic advisory team is made up of Goldman Sachs investment bankers, and retreads from the Clinton administration. Even the Messianic Obama can't bring an economy out of the doldrums, when so much debt has to be liquidated. And he would be well advised to remember that nobody can borrow their way out of debt.

Yet, he promises us still more. Thus, the pessimism.

"Every stock index on planet earth is down 10% or more since Obama's been elected"

Also it has gotten cooler but then that generally happens in November but maybe it is Obama's fault.

What about the gazillions of fertilized eggs fertility clinics destroy every year. I've heard *crickets* on doing something useful with them besides flushing them down the toilet.

If the pro-life people actually gave a damn, they'd be lining up to accept and birth these little pre-born boogers. Think of how many children the nuns could save and still remain celibate.

Wombs for Jesus!!!

You mentioned everyone except who was really to blame RisR. Any discussion about the mortgage crisis without naming Greenspan is simply right wing partisan attempt to shift the blame and utter nonsense. Were it posted by someone else I might just attribute it to lack of knowledge, with you it is simple dishonesty.

#39 | Posted by danni
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There's nothing right-wing about Greenspan. I just forgot about him, as the phone happened to ring in the middle of my rant before. But all Greenspan did was grease the skids. As long as politicos were preaching the ownership society and the constitutional rights to a giant mortgage, and legislated accordingly, Greenspan's disastrous low rates just added fuel to the fire.

Also it has gotten cooler but then that generally happens in November but maybe it is Obama's fault.
#43 | Posted by danni

But not quite as cool as a few years ago, so I guess we have Bush to thank for that.

Oh, did I forget: Clinton got a blowjob.

pregnant nuns - kewl.

"But all Greenspan did was grease the skids."

Baloney. If he hadn't held interest rates so low the lack or regulation wouldn't have mattered much because the majority of the loans would never have been made due to the fact that most buyers couldn't have afforded the payments even at the lowest "teaser rates" because they would have been considerably higher. Thus no bubble, thus no Dubya reelected in 2004.

RiR

When the bill came due for WW2 Americans bought bonds and deficits were expected. Fortunately, we had a President who inspired and mobilized the nation to pitch in.

Bush has asked no one to pitch in. Only the military have taken the brunt in a war paid for by our creditors.

Obama's economic brain trust is quite a bit more sophisticated and from a broader spectrum than you inferred in your post.

"Bush has asked no one to pitch in."

"Aw, go out an' buy some shit."
~George "I Am The Deciderer" Boosh

economic train trust?? You mean Bob Rubin who helped run CIT into the ground or the loon from Omaha who for years has tried to manipulate the interest rate derivative market. LOL

Actually the market was down 500 points the day after Obama was elected

Actually, the market is down by about 100 points from the day Dumb Ass took office in 2001. And who's to say the market wouldn't have dropped 1,000 points had John McCain been elected?

Obama's economic brain trust is quite a bit more sophisticated and from a broader spectrum than you inferred in your post.

#49 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY
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Is that right. Robert Rubin has been paid $15 million a year to run Citi into the ground. Buffett sat on the board of directors at AIG and somehow managed to put us on the hook for $140 billion, and counting, and his investments in GE and Goldman were blown apart in six hours of trading. Larry Summers was a decent SecTreas, but one wonders now how much of that would have been possible absent record-low Greenspan interest rates and a dot-com bubble which burst just before he cleaned out his office.

The fact is the DJIa had its largest post election day drop EVER after Obama got elected. No one likes a taxer

"You may be too stupid to want federally funded medical research but fortunately most Americans aren't."

#26 | Posted by danni

The ignorance of people on this issue is incredible. Our federal government supports stem cell research and so does Bush with the tiny exception that he dies not support "embryonic" stem cell research if it means creating embryos just to destroy them.

The study mentioned above used "Adult" stems cell from the lady in question and was a great success. This same kind of se=successful research is being carried out all over the world including the USA supported by federal funds.

Using Adult stem cells is the way to go because you can use your own cells to grow tissues and they implant them back which means no anti-rejection meds (or at least less).

So the above study proves that Bush was right all along and the liberals are full of it as usual.

"No one likes a taxer"

High earners vote for Obama, and more
Of people earning more than $250,000 a year the income level that would pay higher taxes in a Barack Obama presidency 52 percent voted for Obama, and 46 percent for John McCain, exit polls showed.
Slate.com

FREDDY

Bush has limited the embryoynic stem cell lines and otally cut off funding for research using embryonic stem cells.

With all those millions of embryos in fertility clinics hitting the garbage can that's a shame.

During the birth of aviation some tried monowings, some biplanes, and in the case of the Wright Brothers, triplanes.

The same can be said about a plethora of inventions and discoveries.

I our own adult stem cells do the trick in curing all these diseases, great. But, we certainly shouldn't be limiting research to one area at the exclusion of others. Not when there's all those millions of fertilized eggs in fertility clinics bound for the trash can and thousands a day dying from what could potentially be cured diseases.

It's an economic issue too. Imagine if we could cure disease with a shot or grow a replacement organ rather than treat chronic conditions with trillions in pills and hospitalization?

"Using Adult stem cells is the way to go because you can use your own cells to grow tissues and they implant them back which means no anti-rejection meds (or at least less)."

While this is true, the MAJOR limitation with adult stem cells is they don't have the developmental potential (pluriopotency) that embryonic stem cells have. That's why there has been a big push for induced pluripotent stem cells-they will have the best of both worlds.

"So the above study proves that Bush was right all along and the liberals are full of it as usual."

Speaking of ignorance. The above study only proves that adult stem cells can be used as a treatment option. Considering Bush is against ESCs for "moral" and religious reasons, I'm pretty sure he'll come out on the wrong side of this issue.

"FREDDY
Bush has limited the embryoynic stem cell lines and otally cut off funding for research using embryonic stem cells."

#57 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Your statement is not true. Bush has not totally cut off funding for research using embryonic stem cells. The number of approved cell lines is added to all the time. Many studies funded by NIH use embryonic stem cell lines successfully. And adult stem cells can be back engineered to embrionic stage.

And most of the important advances world wide have been made with adult stem cells.

"While this is true, the MAJOR limitation with adult stem cells is they don't have the developmental potential (pluriopotency) that embryonic stem cells have. That's why there has been a big push for induced pluripotent stem cells-they will have the best of both worlds."
#59 | Posted by jpw

Please let us know of any scientific study that shows a successful treatment of any disease that works only with embryonic stem cells and not adult.

You don't need to look because there are not any.

Adult stem cells are better because you can perform auto transplants.

FREDDYK where did you go to medical school???
What is your specialty???

.............................

Oh, that's what I thought.

FreddyK is to doctoring as Joe is to lawyering

"FREDDYK where did you go to medical school???
What is your specialty???"

danni

Give your email and I'll scan a copy of my diploma to send you. Will that be good enough or would you like trnscripts and CV also?

"FREDDYK where did you go to medical school???

The Eclectic Medical University of Kansas City's J.R. Brinkley School of Goat Gland Xenxotransplanation and Border Blaster Radio

"FreddyK is to doctoring as Joe is to lawyering"

#63 | Posted by lettuce

So you don't have a logical argument I guess.

"The Eclectic Medical University of Kansas City's J.R. Brinkley School of Goat Gland Xenxotransplanation and Border Blaster Radio"

#65 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

As I said above to Dani, give me your email Fake Doc and I'll send you a copy of my Diploma.

Other wise if you can't present an argument based on facts STFU.

Adult stem cells are better because you can perform auto transplants.
Posted by FreddyK at 2008-11-19 01:07 PM | Reply

PS: Oh, I almost forgot: They also come in handy for overhauls, spark plug replacements, and tire rotations.

"PS: Oh, I almost forgot: They also come in handy for overhauls, spark plug replacements, and tire rotations."

#68 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

At least you have a good sense of humor even if you're not very bright. LOL

FREDDY

It would take you from now until the end of your lunch hour to read the acronyms after Doc's name.

"Please let us know of any scientific study that shows a successful treatment of any disease that works only with embryonic stem cells and not adult.

You don't need to look because there are not any.

Adult stem cells are better because you can perform auto transplants."

HAHA you quote me but it doesn't seem like you even read what you cut and pasted.

I don't claim studies exist. Embryonic and particularly induced pluripotent stem (iPS) cell research is still very new and therefore not as easy as transplanting a patients own cells.

And iPS cells will be even better than adult stem cells due to their ESC-like state.

"And iPS cells will be even better than adult stem cells due to their ESC-like state."

#71 | Posted by jpw

Embryonic stem cell research has been carried out all over the world for years so prove your above statement.

Document that embryonic is better.

"FREDDY, It would take you from now until the end of your lunch hour to read the acronyms after Doc's name."

#70 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Yes I know but what does PUTZ stand for?

Yes I know but what does PUTZ stand for?

#73 | Posted by FreddyK

Hint: the correct answer can be found in the preceding 12 words.

putz

noun Slang.

1. fool; jerk.
2. Vulgar. penis.
Origin:
190005; < Yiddish puts lit., ornament, finery, prob. n. deriv. of putsn to clean, shine; cf. early mod. G butzen to decorate (G putzen to clean, brighten)

"Embryonic stem cell research has been carried out all over the world for years so prove your above statement.

Document that embryonic is better."

"Hint: the correct answer can be found in the preceding 12 words."

#74 | Posted by SanAntonioRoach

Another liberal brainiac adds so much to the argument.

Another liberal brainiac adds so much to the argument.

#77 | Posted by FreddyK

Let's just refer back to your #73. 'Nuff said.

"stemcells.nih.gov"

There is not a single study on the NIH site that cites an experiment showing success with ESC that can not be repeated with asc.

"One doesn't have to site literature on why ESC (or iPSCs) are better than adult stem cells-it's long known that ESCs are pluripotent whereas adult stem cells aren't."

ASC can be back engineered to esc so what's your point?

"Unfortunately, along with pluripotency comes other obstacles and hence the need for further research."

We need further reaserch in a lot of medical areas, so ?

You seem to have this false dichotomy in your head that it's either one or the other-why not both?

#76 | Posted by jpw

No, I think both are important. It's just that you have the crazy liberals screaming that Bush is delaying all of these wonderful cures and that is just not true and is not supported by the science.

If you think I'm wrong site any specific study that shows it and I'll admit I'm wrong.

Happy?

Freddy, only liberals are smart. Don't you know that?

"Freddy, only liberals are smart. Don't you know that?"

#80 | Posted by rightisright

I only remember the old saying that anyone who is not a liberal before they are 20 has no heart and anyone who is not a conservative by the time they are 40 has no brains.

It's amazing to think how science could be advanced with federal funding. Thankfully, Obama will fund stem cell research, so finally this science can advance.

#80 | Posted by rightisright
#81 | Posted by FreddyK

Statler and Waldorf chewing the fat in a fern bar.

Thankfully, Obama will fund stem cell research

Good thing Obama is funding it because there is no money in the US treasury for the US to do it!

States already fund stem cell research. where is the cure for cancer. I heard stem cell research will let Obma walk on water like Jesus

"No, I think both are important. It's just that you have the crazy liberals screaming that Bush is delaying all of these wonderful cures and that is just not true and is not supported by the science."

I've never said Bush has delayed anything.

"While I agree that the past eight years could have been better for stem cell research (and pretty much all science...), it hasn't been a complete loss. Adult stem cells have made large strides and so have other fields."
#8 | Posted by jpw

No one knows where stem cell research COULD be right now, but it certainly hasn't been at a stand still.

"ASC can be back engineered to esc so what's your point?"

Forget about ASCs, plain old somatic cells can be back engineered. The technique isn't perfect, but in the past 2 years it's come a loooooong way.

"There is not a single study on the NIH site that cites an experiment showing success with ESC that can not be repeated with asc."

I've addressed this multiple times but you're hung up on the need for "studies." The difference is in potential and as yet we are unable to use ESCs for treatments, so a direct comparison is not really plausible.

"anyone who is not a liberal before they are 20 has no heart and anyone who is not a conservative by the time they are 40 has no brains"

This isn't a lib/con issue. The science is valid regardless of the political lens you look view it through.

Doctors Grow Windpipe from Stem Cells? Big deal.
SamtheBarbers parents grew an asshole from a son.

Thankfully, Obama will fund stem cell research, so finally this science can advance.

#82 | Posted by Acaeton
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Notwithstanding the point that the research is already federally funded, I've a question: how much more in taxes are you willing to pay, so that embryonic stem cell research will be federally funded?

Because even stupid liberals (I repeat myself) know that Obama won't be funding stem cell research. We will be. All he's doing is taking our gas and food money and handing it over to politically connected doctors, who can't seem to get motivated to grow windpipes from stem cells unless someone from Washington is giving him free money.

So how much? A hundred dollars? A thousand?

Statler and Waldorf chewing the fat in a fern bar.

#83 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis
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I've never heard of a fern bar. Are there any women there?

DOC SARVIS is a doc? Wow that explains a lot - never have so many known so little about so much - Doctors are the only people with a "God" complex bigger than obama's.

"Because even stupid liberals (I repeat myself)"

It's pretty pathetic that you view the world in such simplistic terms. I mean, there can't possibly be conservatives who support stem cell research, right?

"know that Obama won't be funding stem cell research. We will be. All he's doing is taking our gas and food money and handing it over"

You clearly have NO idea how science funding works. There won't be new taxes, and no, some government lackey isn't going to take your lunch money, because money won't be set aside SPECIFICALLY for stem cell research. Removing the ban will allow for the NIH to give out money it already has for these grants. Could it result in an increase in the NIH budget? Sure, but the increase probably won't be big enough to be reflected in YOUR individual taxes.

"to politically connected doctors, who can't seem to get motivated to grow windpipes from stem cells unless someone from Washington is giving him free money."

HAHA that's just priceless. You think "politically connected doctors" are the ones doing this research? Sure some are, but they still have to go through the grant application process just like everyone else and are subject to grant renewal just like everyone else who ISN'T connected.

You remind me of people who think science hasn't cure HIV or cancer yet because everyone's making too much money:ignorant as shit of the true magnitude of the problem and the reasons for why they are what they are.

I've never heard of a fern bar. Are there any women there?
#89 | Posted by rightisright

Only the classiest escorts from Mexicali.

DOC SARVIS is a doc?
#90 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

One more time for the permanenty bewildered: not an M.D.

For that, you need to consult FREDDYK. He's a graduate of Eclectic Medical University of Kansas City's J.R. Brinkley School of Goat Gland Xenxotransplanation and Border Blaster Radio.

"I've addressed this multiple times but you're hung up on the need for "studies."
#86 | Posted by jpw

Yes stupid me asking for evidence to support a statement.

Only the classiest escorts from Mexicali.

#92 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis
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I'll take your word for it.

"Yes stupid me asking for evidence to support a statement."

A statement that you made:

"Please let us know of any scientific study that shows a successful treatment of any disease that works only with embryonic stem cells and not adult."

I've never asserted that the above statement is true, but have addressed the inherent properties of the cells themselves and why one group is/will be better than the other, and therefore, should have the restrictions lifted on their research.

So, are you actually the stupid one, or just obtuse?

"I've never asserted that the above statement is true, but have addressed the inherent properties of the cells themselves and why one group is/will be better than the other, and therefore, should have the restrictions lifted on their research.

So, are you actually the stupid one, or just obtuse?"

#96 | Posted by jpw

You suggest that ESC's "is/will be better than" asc's without proof. I know of many studies showing success with both adult and embryonic but I know of no studies showing cures with ecs that cannot be repeated just as successfully with ASC's, cord blood etc.

If you have evidence to support your statement then I would like to hear about it. Now who is being obtuse?

"For that, you need to consult FREDDYK. He's a graduate of Eclectic Medical University of Kansas City's J.R. Brinkley School of Goat Gland Xenxotransplanation and Border Blaster Radio."

#93 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

As I said before Fake Doc, give me your email and I'll be glad to send you a copy of my diploma and CV.

give me your email and I'll be glad to send you a copy of my diploma and CV.
#98 | Posted by FreddyK

Thanks for the offer, but I haven't expressed an interest in inspecting, let alone receiving, copies of your diploma and c.v. What on earth would I do with them, anyway? I'm sure you have a high opinion of them but, frankly, I'm too busy wading through some exotic business opportunities presented to me by various folks who all seem somehow connected to Nigeria.

"You suggest that ESC's "is/will be better than" asc's without proof."

It's called a prediction and I'm basing it on the greater flexibility for differentiation exhibited by ESCs. I'm not saying it's been SHOWN to be better head to head with adult stem cells. But if ESCs are just as good as ASCs in all known instances, but are the only option in only one other case, then my prediction will be true.

"I know of many studies showing success with both adult and embryonic but I know of no studies showing cures with ecs that cannot be repeated just as successfully with ASC's, cord blood etc."

Again, you're the one stuck in clinical reports. You're still attacking a statement I didn't make.

"It's called a prediction"

#100 | Posted by jpw

That's what a lot of people predicted years ago but so far it has been shown to not be true. In fact there is a lot of proof to support the opposite of your prediction.

"That's what a lot of people predicted years ago but so far it has been shown to not be true. In fact there is a lot of proof to support the opposite of your prediction."

Unless you're willing to admit we've exhausted the research potential of stem cells, what information we've accumulated so far does not rule out anything.

If it turns out we can accomplish everything with adult stem cells, great.

But considering many tissues aren't believed to contain adult stem cells, I'd say the jury is still out and up until now we've only been picking the lower hanging fruit.

Typical dr left hatred, and ignorance. Get your facts straight.....

read the article dudes, this was done by stem cells from the ladies hip, not embryotic stem cells. this type of research has been encouraged by GW. And research was done by a University in Italy.

I read the article--the research should have been done in America---not Italy. You may be happy with sucking hind tit to Italy--but not me.

As for the embryonic stem cells--research needs to be done using them also. The embryos are from fertilization clinics and will be discarded if not used.