I don't know too much about him, other than what I read when he was appointed to the VP search, but he's got to be more competent and honest than Gonzo, with more guts than Mukasey.

He appears to be a very qualified individual. Still seems odd he's picking all of Clinton's old staff (including his wife).

but he's got to be more competent and honest than Gonzo

based on what? That he wasn't appointed by Bush?

Most famously, he waved through the pardon for fugitive financier Marc Rich in the waning days of the Clinton White House.

Probably won't here that on MSNBC, CNN or any of the other rag outlets.

Some stats:

Holder attended Columbia University, where he earned a B.A. in 1973 and a J.D. in 1976.

After graduating from Columbia Law School Holder worked in the U.S. Justice Department as a trial attorney in the Public Integrity section from 1976 to 1988. He was then appointed by President Ronald Reagan to serve as an Associate Judge of the Superior Court of the District of Columbia.

In 1993 Holder was appointed U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia by President Bill Clinton. In 1997, upon the spring retirement of Jamie Gorelick, Clinton nominated Holder to be the next Deputy Attorney General. Holder was quickly confirmed several months later in the Senate by a unanimous vote. During his confirmation hearing, Holder's opposition to the death penalty was questioned, but he pledged his intention to cooperate with the current laws and Attorney General Janet Reno, saying, "I am not a proponent of the death penalty, but I will enforce the law as this Congress gives it to us." Holder was the first African American to serve in each of those positions.

As Deputy Attorney General, Holder was, along with Jack Quinn, drawn into controversy surrounding President Clinton's pardon of fugitive Marc Rich. While the Justice Department had no direct involvement in the pardon, Holder gave a "neutral, leaning towards favorable" opinion of the pardon to Clinton, which provided the administration cover for the Rich pardon on Clinton's final day in office.

Holder served as Acting Attorney General under President George W. Bush for several weeks until the Senate confirmed Bush's nominee, John Ashcroft.

Since 2001, Holder has worked as an attorney at Covington & Burling in Washington, D.C. In 2004, Holder helped negotiate an agreement with the Justice Department for Chiquita Brands International in a case that involved Chiquita's payment of "protection money" to the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia, a paramilitary group that has been designated a terrorist group by the United States government. In the agreement, Chiquita's officials pleaded guilty and paid a fine of $25 million. Holder represents Chiquita in the civil action which grew out of this criminal case.

In late 2007, Holder joined Senator Barack Obama's presidential campaign as a senior legal advisor. He served on Obama's vice presidential selection committee.

"Still seems odd he's picking all of Clinton's old staff (including his wife).

#2 | Posted by JOE "

"Change you can believe in!"

And if he picked people with no experience, you'd be here shilling that side of the coin.

but he's got to be more competent and honest than Gonzo

based on what? That he wasn't appointed by Bush?

Most famously, he waved through the pardon for fugitive financier Marc Rich in the waning days of the Clinton White House.

Probably won't here that on MSNBC, CNN or any of the other rag outlets.

#3 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

Actually, I did just hear that on MSNBC - David Gregory's show.

Oh, and I'm sure we ALL eagerly await your treatise on the outstanding pillar of jurisprudence that was Alberto Gonzalez.

Thank God. I feel safer already. The new AG will be Eric . . . what was his name again?

Ah well. The fact that he was one of the Clintonites seals the deal for me. Between the Clinton people advising him at Treasury--the same ones who presided over the biggest economic bubble in history, by the way--a Clinton wife at State, to be advised by the Great Madeline Albright, it seems as if WJC was eligible for a third term after all.

Let the race baiting, Michael Vick jokes, Marc Rich jibes and cheap shots at Alberto "I Don't Remember" Gonzales begin.

Be Well.

Where's wisgod and his fried chicken and watermelon?

Okay, maybe jumped the gun on this one a bit, it's not OFFICIAL yet just very, very likely.

Coupla things, first, as the all too brief article mentions, the DoJ has turned into an open sewer pipe under BushCo who used it to try and justify torture, stuffed it full of incompetent Regent U fundies like Monica Goodling, used the supposedly neutral agency in order to undertake political vendettas, even to the point of puitting folks in prison in order to win elections, they even used a little known clause in the so-called Patriot Act in order to get underqualified scum like Tim Griffins installed as USAs without being vetted by the Senate.

A "Herculean task" the article calls it and how right they are.

As long as it aint a Sisyphusian task Spud's good.

The only time Spud has heard of potential AG Holder afore this was in the Micheal Vicks case where he advised the team not to let him enter training cvamp prior to his trial.

That was a good call.

Apparently, Mr Holder in a known entity in DC and whether that turns out to be a good thing or a bad thing only time will tell.

That sed, there is no chance in hell that the guy can do any more damage than the current crop of War Criminals have done with the gig.

Be Well.

Where's wisgod and his fried chicken and watermelon?

~Let Us Prey.

Yeah, that one never gets old fer him, does it?

Holy Crap, is Wiki on the ball on this one.

Eric Himpton Holder, Jr. (born January 21, 1951) is a former Deputy Attorney General of the United States and a senior legal advisor to Barack Obama, the former U.S. Senator from Illinois and President-elect of the United States, and his campaign for the presidency. Along with Caroline Kennedy and Jim Johnson, he served on Obama's vice presidential selection committee.[1] On November 18, 2008, Michael Isikoff of Newsweek reported that Holder has been asked to serve as United States Attorney General by President-elect Obama, and has accepted the offer, pending a formal vetting process.[2]

Where's wisgod and his fried chicken and watermelon?

#2 | Posted by LetUsPrey

Right here, boy.

So this is more Clinton redux...

Were you wailing at the Reagan/Bush redux? Would you have wailed about "lack of experience" if he'd picked someone else?? Hmmm???

So this is more Clinton redux...

#6 | Posted by MURPHY

I hear Donna Shalala is available for Secretary of Health and Human Services.

"Himpton"

Do the Himpton Hump, c'mon and do the Himpton Hump!
Do the Himpton Hump, c'mon and do the Himpton Hump!

-with apologies to Digital Underground

Would you have wailed about "lack of experience" if he'd picked someone else?? Hmmm???

#7 | Posted by Snark_Needleton

I'm pissed he didn't pick that outstanding Govenor and overall swell guy, Jim Doyle.

-with apologies to Digital Underground

The Humpty Hump was good stuff all right but Spud's favorite song off that album will always remains...

"So this is more Clinton redux...

#6 | Posted by MURPHY"

Poor Murphy. Cheer up. You only have to wait...4...looooooong...years for another chance.

Hahahahahaha.

Where's wisgod and his fried chicken and watermelon?

#2 | Posted by LetUsPrey

Right here, boy.

#5 | Posted by wisgod

Wot you did there.

Saw it.

Jim Doyle?

While his early support of Obama was certainly helpful Spud thinks that his real goal is to become a third term Governor in Wisconsin.

Spud thinks he'll do it too.

Go Doyle!

Be Well.

It's just as well, Spud. He couldn't eat what Michelle cooks anyway.

You only have to wait...4...looooooong...years

That's what I'm afraid of, too. That the next four years will be as long as the last four. You really think Obama is that bad?

Sure looking more and more like a Clinton Presidency with Obama/Biden as the cover faces. Sighhhhhhh oh well I guess You can't have everything that You want in life. Some things change and some things remain the same.

Larry

"the same ones who presided over the biggest economic bubble in history"

Bigger than the housing bubble???
I don't think so.

I think that Eric Holder will end up being hated more than any other member of the Obama adminstration by former members of the Bush administration. Hated and feared.

Must be Janet Reno was not available.

Before the Bill Clinton haters get going:

NAFTA was initially promoted by politicians in the United States and Canada supportive of free trade, led by Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, U.S. President George H. W. Bush, Mexican President Carlos Salinas de Gortari. The agreement was pursued by business interests in all three countries[7] and opposed by labor, environmental, and other business interests, in all three countries.[8][9][10][11][12] An agreement in principle was reached in August 1992 and the agreement was signed by the chief negotiators of each country in October 1992.[13] The heads of government of all three countries signed NAFTA in December 1992 (signed by GHW Bush), subject to ratification by the legislatures of the three countries. The supplemental agreements on labour and the environment were signed in September 1993. NAFTA and the supplemental agreement came into effect on January 1, 1994.[1]

BTW the dot com bubble was not engineered by the Fed and the administration but obviously, the housing bubble was. Our current economic problems are a direct result of Bush/Greenspan manipulating the economy for Bush's political benefit. Without it he would never have been reelected in 2004.

Obama may be bringing in some former Clinton administration folks but at least he isn't being forced to replace his Sec. of Def. with his daddy's buddy because of the complete mess he made in Iraq.
Gates is Bush's babysitter and he is doing a fairly good job.

Holder has gone thru 3 hearings and has never had a vote cast against him.

All this whining about Obama picking Clintonistas is pretty damn funny, from both sides, considering that they are the best qualified people, having experience in the only Dem admin since Carter, an admin that lasted 8 years with a record of relative peace and prosperity.

What, he should be hiring from the Carter admin?

Get over yourselves.

Agree with Corky's #15 post 100%

Agree with Alex anytime he agrees with me, LOL!

And most other times, too.

Most famously, he waved through the pardon for fugitive financier Marc Rich in the waning days of the Clinton White House.

Speaking of pardons...Guess who Marc Rich's lawyer was?

What is especially funny about Republicans whining about Obama choosing some folks from the Clinton administration is that some of Bush's administration date from the Nixon administration.

If two equals with similar curriculum vitae and/or resumes were up for the same post who wouldn't want the one who knows the ropes, machinations, and can hit the ground running?

Holder is a former Deputy Director of the JD, Asst. Federal prosecutor, former Judge, and widely regarded as an excellent, principled legal mind.

Good pick.

ROFLMAO!

Speaking of pardons...Guess who Marc Rich's lawyer was?
#18 | Posted by Alexandrite

Ah, yes.
Rhymes with "Hooter."
Irony, thy sting be sooooooooo sweet.

"Most famously, he waved through the pardon for fugitive financier Marc Rich in the waning days of the Clinton White House."

I think righties might want to put the old Clinton pardons thing on the shelf soon, when the Bush pardons begin it will look like there is a sale on "get out of jail free" cards.

Excuse me, Holder was a former U.S. Attorney, not merely an Asst.

corky- I have to say, I'm not sold on the idea of Hillary as sec of state.

Not that she could possibly be worse than who she's replacing.

Which could be said for everyone taking a cabinet position(ANY of them), in all honesty.

Guess who Marc Rich's lawyer was?

Scooter "Bear" Libby.

Don't worry, folks. Bush will be pardoning the evil marc rich's lawyer, skooter libby, real soon.

I think she will do a good job as SoS, and apparently Obama thinks she will work as hard there as she did for him the last few months.

Scooter "Bear" Libby.

Don't poke the bear. He may screw a caged child.

Even for fiction, that's really fucked up, isn't it? Worse than o'reilly's "those who trespass" garbage, or that POS by Gingrich.

Who was the democrat that had the vietnam story...uhhh...how do I say this without being kicked off of obama's staff...penis suckling of a child?

Our politicians need therapy.

Guess who Marc Rich's lawyer was?
Scooter "Bear" Libby.
#26 | Posted by Corky

That's hysterical.

Does the Obama questionnaire include the question:

"Did you ever write a novel in which under-age oral sex happens?"

Does the Obama questionnaire include the question:

"Did you ever write a novel in which under-age oral sex happens?"

#31 | Posted by sitdown at 2008-11-19 09:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

No, but my entire blogging history would be attached. Uh oh...

No one here could work for Obama. lol.

I take it back.

Pinche mao could definitely work for Obama's staff. Because toilets clog.

"Does the Obama questionnaire include the question:

"Did you ever write a novel in which under-age oral sex happens?"

Is Bill O'Rielly applying for a position??

"Hey baby, put down that pipe and get my pipe up!"

The heads of government of all three countries signed NAFTA in December 1992 (signed by GHW Bush), subject to ratification by the legislatures of the three countries. The supplemental agreements on labour and the environment were signed in September 1993. NAFTA and the supplemental agreement came into effect on January 1, 1994.[1]

en.wikipedia.org

#28 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

(Direct quotes from the article AU "quotes":

"The agreements were signed in December 1993 by the leaders of the three countries Brian Mulroney of Canada, Carlos Salinas de Gortari of Mexico, and Bill Clinton of the United States"

"In the United States, NAFTA was able to secure passage after Bill Clinton made its passage a major legislative priority in 1993."

AU is being disingenuous in his quoting of the article.

more than half the dems voted to nominate obama, and the hatred of all things clinton, i do recall reading a great deal of anti clinton venom on this blog. the big question is, are these people capable of doing the job Obama sets in front of them, or more so, is that task reasonable. Obama is gaining a new perspective of the realities the faces regarding the war on terror, gitmo, wire taps, spec ops, etc. the view is much different i'm sure fromt he oval office than from the senate. his stance will change on major issues but all he has to do is blame it on bush, that is was worse than he was led to believe, or whatever. his mantra was change, well he isnt putting new faces in washington, which was the cry of cronyism of bush, but that doesnt necessarily mean obama cant change washington which is a mean, ugly, entrenched place. i sure the lobbyist have much more power than we could ever imagine. we shall see, so for now i will sit back and watch this unfold.

Here is the scoop on Holder--sounds to me like a really bad choice.

Aren't there like a bazillion attorneys in this country? How about the millions of judges to choose from? Or even AG from the other 50 states to choose from?

So the guy was behind the Weather Underground pardons by Clinton and Marc Rich and the 16 FALN puerto rico terrorists and made it so the Miranda rights are somehow part of the 5th amendment.

So that when Obama brings the Gitmo guys to the US for trials they can all get off since soldiers do not carry that Miranda Card in their back pocket when they capture these enemies on the battlefield.

With the nomination of a guy with pre 9/11 mentality and dubious pardoning activites--I feel so much safer.

And another thing--I wanted Gonzo out --when he gave testimony of I Don't Remember --like 47 times.

He should have been gone immediately.

But when appointed the Dems loved him at first--they even wanted him nominated for SCOTUS!

Who knew?

But for a man to be nominated with this kind of predisposition and record is ridiculous and will make Obama sorry.

SO get ready for another person to be thrown under the bus.

But when appointed the Dems loved him at first--they even wanted him nominated for SCOTUS!

You got a link for that, as in "the Dems"?
Thanks.
I'll wait.
Just like the last time you couldn't get yourself quite up to speed.

Just like the last time you couldn't get yourself quite up to speed.

#55 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

And the time before, and the time before that.

"And if he picked people with no experience, you'd be here shilling that side of the coin."

What a stupid thing to say. There are plenty of experienced people who are not former members of the Clinton administration. That you fail to see the difference is sad.

"What a stupid thing to say."

As if what he said wasn't exactly true.

"While his early support of Obama was certainly helpful Spud thinks that his real goal is to become a third term Governor in Wisconsin.
Spud thinks he'll do it too."

To be honest, I figured now would be a good time for Doyle to jump ship, but Wisconsin state democrats were against him leaving because their Lt. Gov. would never win in 2010. I wouldn't count out Scott Walker to beat either of them.

"As if what he said wasn't exactly true."

It wasn't. There are plenty of experienced democrat lawyers out there who would make a fine attorney general. Holder is one of them. I still have to question the fact that Obama is claiming he will "change Washington," yet both of his official appointments worked for Clinton, and the rumored third is Clinton's wife.

Emmanuel - Deputy Chief of Staff in Clinton WH, Congressman, and long time friend of Obama.
Knows the ropes, how the job is done, and is a great liason with Congress

Holder - Deputy Attorney General during Clinton WH
Knows the ropes, how the job is done, former U.S. Attorney, judge, and widely respected legal mind.

Hillary Clinton - known by world leaders and knows the diplomatic ropes. The Clinton name is well respected outside out borders. She may not take the job in the end. Time will tell. If not:

Bill Richardson - U.N. Ambassador during Clinton WH
Knows the ropes, is well respected by the international community.

We need competent, respected people who know what they're doing. Too much depends on it right now. Not a time for cronyism but competence.

We need competent, respected people who know what they're doing. - AU

AU - nothing like that old mantra - change we can believe in right?

You obama supporters are going to really lose credibility if you just blindly accept his appointments of established washington insiders.

"We need competent, respected people who know what they're doing."

Correct. And having worked for Clinton is not necessarily a prerequisite to being competent and respected.

I am sorry AU but it's regurgitating old people in a supposedly Fresh new restart. Surely they could find competent Fresh new faces for Obama's Administration. I am kinda disappointed really.

Larry

See? Reasonable democrats can see this for what it is. Obama ball-lickers like AU who will stick up for him no matter what he does, will never understand.

Joe's just upset Obama didn't pick him for AG. After all, he's been writing wills and filling in the blanks on trust forms for, what, a whole year or two now?

I'll take the proven positive results of the Clinton era over the proven failures of the Bush era as the definition of competence any day.

"Brownie, you're doing a heck .."

"Rummy, you're doing a heck .."

"Alberto, you're doing a heck .."

"Judge Tenet (they call the CIA Director 'judge') here's your Medal of Freedom ...."

"Mr. Bremmer, here's YOUR Medal of Freedom for fucking up Iraq against better advice..."

"Mr. Wolfowitz, heck of a job on calling for 150,000 troops to invade Iraq when our Army Chief of Staff (who you helped push out) called for a minimum of 500,000).

"Ms. Rice, thank you for also being so wrong about Iraq...."

Cock Starvis, what the fuck do you know?

"And having worked for Clinton is not necessarily a prerequisite to being competent and respected."

Nor is it necessarily indicative of a person being incompetent and uworthy of respect.

"I'll take the proven positive results of the Clinton era over the proven failures of the Bush era as the definition of competence any day."

That's fine. Just don't say "change," say "change back to what we had before."

what the fuck do you know?
#68 | Posted by JOE

Well, let's see...
Hmmmm....
Oh, I got it: I know you're an idiot.
Do I get a prize?

"Nor is it necessarily indicative of a person being incompetent and uworthy of respect."

Nor did I suggest that. Do you even read my posts? I've praised Holder as a very accomplished and qualified individual. I simply question whether hiring a bunch of former Clinton employees constitutes "change." Get it yet?

Cock Starvis, what the fuck do you know?

#68 | Posted by JOE

With his extensive Curriculum Vitae I wouldn't ask that question.

"It's a terrible thing to waste one's mind"

Former Vice President Dan "You say potato and I'll say potatoe" Quayle

I can't wait for the confirmation hearing. Will Marc Rich testify

"Will Marc Rich testify"

Hard to tell. His mouthpiece got disbarred, y'know.

JOE

I caught your praise of his legal expertise (kudos). Good question to ask in a different time regarding using personnel from a previous administration, but with the totality of crises we face proven experienced hands in key spots are a probably a good idea. We don't have a lot of time for people in those key posts to learn on the job. Gotta hit the ground running ....

what the fuck do you know?

#68 ~JOE

That yer mommy filled out the matchbook that got you into lawschool.

Be Well.

/Outtie, maybe back later.

If there's one irrelevant thing in this world, it's a Canadian.

"Will Marc Rich testify"

Hard to tell. His mouthpiece got disbarred, y'know.

#75 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

You're just going to have to come out and tell him it was Scooter Libby. He's not so advanced. This line from the right wing just began.

BTW I did a project Denise Rich funded. Very nice down to earth lady. Blue jeans. No airs about her.

The NYT and others liked the idea if Bush were to nominate Gonzalez because of his pro choice views.

Denise Rich is a Park Avenue bitch that cheated on her ex-husband with Howard Dean

He just announced the Tom Dachle will be heading up HHS.

"The NYT and others..."

So, Murphy, you're saying that when you wrote, "But when appointed the Dems loved him at first--they even wanted him nominated for SCOTUS! (#54 | Posted by MURPHY) you really didn't know what you were talking about?

Thanks for clearing that up, even though that train left the station a long time ago.

"bitch that cheated on her ex-husband"

How do you "cheat" on an "ex-husband"?

because moron they were married at the time.

RiR

Dashle

Another good pick. Competent leader and Obama friend with experience in managing bureaucracy and intricate firsthand knowledge of The Hill.

Clinton and Carter screwed up by bringing too many staff from home that didn't have the skills or connections to be effective with Congress. Thus 1980 and 1994.

It's really going to take a concerted effort of the Exec and Legislative branches working in tune like a symphony to dig us out of this mess and right the economic and diplomatic ships.

Dashle should come in handy when healt care reform starts working its way through Congress.

healt=health

"because moron they were married at the time."

What Cindy McCain does is none of your business.

"Good question to ask in a different time regarding using personnel from a previous administration"

Except, the "time" that Obama claimed he would bring "change" to Washington is "RIGHT NOW." If it wasn't practical for him to make such a claim, due to the crises facing our country or whatever your excuse du jour is, he should never have made the claim.

Case in point:

Clinton had to let his first Chief of Staff go and hire Leon Panetta before any meaningful legislation could be accomplished.

I remember shaking my head when "don't ask, don't tell" became a priority early on. Purely an out of touch Chief of Staff and group of Arkansas advisers.

I'll take this opportunity to remind anyone NAFTA was negotiated, written, and signed into law when George HW Bush was President. Been seeing a lot of "It's Clinton's fault we got into NAFTA" the last couple of days around the blogosphere.

Joe do you really want change or do you just like to bash Obama for everything he does, every appointment he makes, every decision he makes???
Your concern for "change" isn't very convincing.

I definitely want change (just not Obama's kind). Why do you ask?

JOE

Check the chronology of the financial crisis.

Didn't it hit about 2 months ago way into this election cycle?

Financial crisis: "Surprise !!" Thanks, Hank, for keeping everyone else in the dark until the bomb went off. You've gotta know they were hoping it would wait .... just until after Jan 20th....

BTW Danni, you don't even need to want change to bring up the fact that hiring a bunch of former Clinton staffers is not "change." Is your question even relevant?

AU I agree with most of your comments but even I won't completely absolve either Clinton of blame for NAFTA. It was an issue in that campaign and Ross Perot definitely had it right. I do however believe Hilary has learned her lesson about free trade and will be an effective negotiator for fair trade.

What Cindy McCain does is none of your business.

#89 | Posted by danni at 2008-11-19 12:26 PM

LOL. It sure seemed to be during the campaign when the DR was full of Cindy's doings during the campaign -- quoting her monthly charge bill, e.g.

Funny how partisian politics makes people change their attitude to alter the image of the party in question to suit the argument at hand.

"Check the chronology of the financial crisis."

This coming from the guy who previously claimed that Obama saw this coming for years and "warned us about it." You can't possibly be serious when you say that Obama is only hiring former Clinton staffers because the country only recently went into the toilet. Our country being on the wrong track has been the central part of Obama's platform from the very beginning.

"Change" in policy, in direction of the country - the reverse of our present course.

People who can most effectively aid that change are the best people to have on your team, regardless of where they come from.

"Is your question even relevant?"

Only if you wanted to be considered someone who actually discusses issues instead of just a partisan hack. Anyone with any intelligence understands that just because they worked in the Clinton administration that does not mean they won't also work for "change" in the Obama adminstration. These people do the president's bidding, and the president makes the policy decisions.

John Edwards literally fucked himself out of the job.

"Lanny Davis, President Clinton's former special council, lobbied publicly for Obama to choose Sen. Hillary Clinton as his running mate during the campaign. Despite what critics say, Davis says real change is about policy, not people.

"What this conversation is about is laughable if you ask people in America what they care about. They care about the economy, jobs, education, health care. They don't care about whether somebody who fills a particular box is from a prior administration," he said."

Joe Pettifogger, Pettifogger, Screwum, and Howe.

Real Change not only involves Policy but involves people too. How can You say You are for change when You hire throwbacks to another era in time?? Something stinks and it sure in the hell ain't Me.

Larry

JOE

There are currently 15 cabinet positions. Now two nominations have been offered and accepted, one is in a holding pattern. How is that a Clinton era dominated administration?

Obama saw the mortgage crisis coming more than two years ago to a GOP Congress. No one listened or acted. They wanted MORE deregulation and still do in the GOP.

Where was our treasury secretary a year, six months ago? Wasn't he on the job? Why didn't he ring the alarm bell while the fire was only starting rather than wait until it was a 5 alarm blaze? That was his responsibility. He knew. He drew up a 'plan' months ago, yet told no one until the shit hit the fan. That surely isn't competence. Nor have many Bush appointees shown competence (list above in another post)

I want competence and the best and brightest most able people in government. I could care less who Obama nominees have worked for previously if they are more than competent and can hit the ground running. Neither should you. These are iffy times. No room for "Brownies" and his type.

Joe Pettifogger, Pettifogger, Screwum, and Howe.

Corky,

Methinks you could get a job with Click and Clack, the Tappet Brothers. :-)

If we get the change we want, what difference does the background of the people who make the change.... make?

Besides...

I'd prefer being in the animated version, Gal.
See what you can do for me.

I have a friend who was a Hillary supporter, in part because she felt Hillary knew so many good people in Washington, she could hit the ground running if she became president and would, therefore, be better able to undo a lot of messes Bush left behind. I imagine my friend is pleased to see so many Clinton associates being considered for these appointments.

If we get the change we want, what difference does the background of the people who make the change.... make?

Besides...

www.drudge.com

Posted by Corky at 2008-11-19 12:44 PM | Reply

What You are espousing is it doesn't matter if the underwear You decide to wear is used once before it's still change from what You are wearing right now. If I go back to yesteryears underwear how can I declare I have made a change?? It's the same God damned underwear that I have once worn before. It's recycling it's not changing.

Larry

"How is that a Clinton era dominated administration?"

It isn't, yet. As of yet 100% of his appointees are former Clinton employees. The rumored third is Clinton's wife. Let me know when the ratio changes and I will be happy to discuss it.

"Obama saw the mortgage crisis coming more than two years ago to a GOP Congress. No one listened or acted. They wanted MORE deregulation and still do in the GOP."

Again - how do you reconcile this statement with the argument that Obama did plan to "change," but the recent financial crisis forced him to recycle Clinton employees?

In other words, if he saw it coming so long ago, why did he promise change so recently?

The Philosophy of Underwear and Change by Larry Mohr.

The Philosophy of Underwear and Change by Larry Mohr.

Posted by Corky at 2008-11-19 12:51 PM | Reply

Do You have a rebuttle Corky?? Other than useless tripe??

Larry

Or, If Obama changes his underwear in the forest, does it still smell?

What a waste of energy.

If the Cabinet members promise to change their underwear, would it make a difference?

Like I said what a waste of energy.

If Michelle doesn't wear underwear, is Obama off for the afternoon?

The Philosophy of Underwear and Change by Larry Mohr.

Posted by Corky at 2008-11-19 12:51 PM | Reply

Do You have a rebuttle Corky??

He does, but it will be brief(s).

Boxers.

Obama saw nothing of the mortgage crisis--McCain called for review and even Bush did--but noooo.

Barney rubble said Fannie and Freddie were fine.

And Doc--the dems like Gonzo as a possible pick for SCOTUS because he was pro choice.

The folks in the GOP hated it.

---------

There are like 32 of the 47 people that Obama hired so far are from Clinton redux.
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And for Obama to compare his admin with Lincoln--is a joke. It was not a good admin with his picks.

He'll find that out too if Hillary is the SoS and all the rest of these clintonistas.

I am kinda disappointed really.

Larry

#64 | Posted by LarryMohr

If you truly bought into the 'change' rhetoric, you'd best brace yourself for a lot more disappointment.

It could easily be argued that the biggest "change" is Obama's selection of former Clinton administration memebers considering Hilary Clinton was his closest rival for the nomination.
Lincolnesque it could be argued.

It could easily be argued that the biggest "change" is Obama's selection of former Clinton administration memebers considering Hilary Clinton was his closest rival for the nomination.
Lincolnesque it could be argued.

#124 | Posted by danni a

Ala "Team of Rivals' by Doris Kearns Goodwin

Exactly AU, I listened to a discussion about her book the other day.

That surely isn't competence. Nor have many Bush appointees shown competence.

#104 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

They did what was necessary to be sure that we allowed what they wanted to do. Of course you could forsee all of this. Any normal person could see it, you didn't have to have a Harvard MBA or a PhD in economics, if you weren't distracted enough by a potential historic election the past couple of years.

Read Naomi Klein's The Shock Doctrine. All of whats been done in the past couple of months have been things that corps. have been trying to get done for years. What they needed was some kind of catastrophe to scare us into allowing it. Just like the Patriot Act. Do you think that they could write a bill thousands of pages long by the time they voted for it? Of course not...everything in that bill had been written and pursued long before 911. they just had to wait for the right opportunity, for something to soften us up enough to go along with it.

... of course not.

Read Naomi Klein's The Shock Doctrine

*shrugs.... sure. Yes.

What's wrong, you don't have a library card?

Regarding the SoS position:

Ticker: Bill Clinton agrees to vetting

I have to admit that i find it incredibly hypocritical of the right to go after Holder for being part of a pardon while ignoring the incredible abuses of power we've seen over the last few years at the JD by the AG, Alberto Gonzalez.

If being part of a pardon that was ordered by his boss is going to stop him from getting the job then, using the same standards, Gonzo should be imprisoned.

Most of the right was calling for Gonzo to leave as well.

Including many here on the DR.

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As for the Lincoln cabinet romance novel--it was a castrophe for Lincoln to have Sewell in his cabinet.

There was back biting and undermining.

It is NOT a good model for Obama who wants no drama--but so much for change.

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Lincolnesque it could be argued.

#124 | Posted by danni
Not by the sane.

Most of the right was calling for Gonzo to leave as well.

Including many here on the DR.

#133 | Posted by MURPHY at 2008-11-19 04:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ummmm...no, they didn't.

I don't know too much about him, other than what I read when he was appointed to the VP search, but he's got to be more competent and honest than Gonzo, with more guts than Mukasey.

#1 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008

well lets start with his involvment with the marc rch pardon which he ADMITS was a mistake...but I sure this will be the old liberal fucks up and says he is sorry so its all okay sham

and then his involvement with the terrorists being pardoned....the fl something or other people from central america I beleive

but again I am sure this wont make a friggin ounce of difference for all you PEOPLE OF CHANGE....

in fact, I will be surprised if we dont get the old

"it doesnt matteer who he was associated with" song and dance from the left

and his worse transgression

he was a corporate lawyer

that should BAR Him from this by most of you liberals here with just that on his resume

""it doesnt matteer who he was associated with" song and dance from the left"

Er...BLT...I missed your post about that association in the discussions about Scooter Libby.

#4 | Posted by JOE at 2008-11-18 05:01 PM

Holder's opposition to the death penalty was questioned, but he pledged his intention to cooperate with the current laws and Attorney General Janet Reno, saying, "I am not a proponent of the death penalty, but I will enforce the law as this Congress gives it to us.

"It takes a village," or an assault force, but "By Golly," those children will be "protected according to "village standards."

Marijuana's Violent Side
By Robert E. Pierre
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, September 9, 1996; Page A01
, U.S. Attorney Eric H. Holder Jr. said in an interview that he is considering not only prosecuting more marijuana cases but also asking the D.C. Council to enact stiffer penalties for the sale and use of marijuana.

"We have too long taken the view that what we would term to be minor crimes are not important," Holder said, referring to current attitudes toward marijuana use and other offenses such as panhandling.