"While wildly popular with their devotees, these partisan bloviators are enormously unpopular with the electorate as a whole."

And these boneheads are laughing all the way to the bank.

The joke is on their followers.

The far right will never up on Limbaugh. He's the abusive father-figure from their childhoods, and they want his love very badly.

Gotta thank Rush fer pissing on McCain fer ten solid years before this years election.

In his own bone-headed way Rush actually helped Obama get elected by sowing seeds of doubt in the minds of Rtards about McLame which pre-quelled any potential excitement his campaign might have roused.

So.... Thanx fer THAT, ya racist tub of goo.

Now go play in traffic while strung out on Oxycontin, would ya.

Be Well.

What if a Limpballs, Hannitty or O'Reilly starts prodding listeners to string the n-i-g up? No doubt racist lunatiucs out there are ready to play dittohead. I'm nervous for Malia and Sasha; the four little girls in the Atlanta church have never been properly avenged. I do hope the Secret Service doubles in size. herm

Shut up Herm--they don't talk like that --you do.

And after they destroy talk radio--they will come after Huf n Puf and Daily Ko's.

How would like that?

"And after they destroy talk radio--"

This has no meaning whatsoever.

Hans

"How would like that?"

Yer stupidity knows no bounds.

Of course Hans--nothing makes sense to you when it happens to the other point of view.

How would YOU like that?

pfft

"....nothing makes sense to you when it happens to the other point of view."

In other words, you can't explain your own comment, "And after they destroy talk radio--"

Why didn't you say so?

Hans

Shut up Herm--they don't talk like that --you do.

#5 | Posted by MURPHY

Except...

"While wildly popular with their devotees, these partisan bloviators are enormously unpopular with the electorate as a whole."

Most Republicans I know can't stand them either. Rush and Co rant to a fervid minority who vote GOP.

The GOP ideology as recently as Richard Nixon was far more focused on traditional conservative values: Fiscal responsibility and a strong military.

Today's GOP is dominated by failed NeoCon principles and social conservatives of The Moral Majority. We're witness to the results of NeoCon ideas and the divisiveness of the Religious Right, who should be spending their time engaged in the ideals and actions Jesus said comprised Christianity - feeding the poor, healing the sick, showing compassion to 'the least of these'.

Making abortion the single minded cause of the Christian right is done to the detriment of true Christian principles and public views of evangelical Christianity, just as attack politics in talk radio have turned off Americans of all stripes.

Hey--Herm is stating that Rush or Hannity will prod people to string up the N.

So go jump in a lake--they don't talk like that and your links show that people are assholes.

Hans--

I'll make this as simple as I can--So follow along-

If talk radio station is forced to play 3 hours or 5 hours or whatever hours to match the conservative talk radio hours--with liberal talk radio opinions, the station will lose dollars and then die.

And then after they destroy talk radio--they will come after Huf and Daily and anything else with views that they disapprove of.

I doubt they can do this at all--free speech and all and how can they apply it only to talk radio and not the evening news?

"If talk radio station is forced to play 3 hours or 5 hours or whatever hours to match the conservative talk radio hours--with liberal talk radio opinions, the station will lose dollars and then die."

You mean the way radio "died" from 1949 until 1987.

Once again, you can't explain your own comment, "And after they destroy talk radio--"

Right?

Hans

Hans--don't be so dense--

And then after they destroy talk radio--they will come after Huf and Daily and anything else with views that they disapprove of.

"And then after they destroy talk radio--"

If you'll explain how talk radio was "destroyed" during the time period between 1949 and 1987 you might have an argument.

As it is, you don't.

So, once again, you can't explain your own comment, "And after they destroy talk radio--".

Right?

Hans

In the be careful what you wish for department...

The right wanted an end to the Fairness Doctrine. They go it, right in the ass. Hahahahaha. Let's see them try to get those crazy ultra rightists off the radio now.

"Hans--don't be so dense--"

Another classic self-retorting retort.

If "dense" had value, Murph'd be rich.

If "dense" had value, Murph'd be rich.

LOL!!!

Hans

I'm still curious:

Murf... will you explain how radio was "destroyed" during the time period between 1949 and 1987?

Hans

HANS

Talk radio used to be interesting, full of useful information, tips, and stories of local interest before the advent of the right wing takeover of the format.

100,000 watt stations like WWJ and WJR in Detroit were thriving long before and unitl Rush Limbaugh and his ilk started bloviating - after the buyout of every 100,000 watt station in America by those seeking to monopolize the discussion and public opinion.

"Talk radio used to be interesting, full of useful information, tips, and stories of local interest before the advent of the right wing takeover of the format."

Exactly, AmericanUnity. Now, will murf be honest enough to recognize the same thing?

I doubt it.

Hans

HANS

It's possible she isn't old enough to know the difference.

"It's possible she isn't old enough to know the difference."

Newsworthy, AU. A factor I had not considered before. Good call.

Hans

Hans!, you fat fuck. You're back! Whoo-hoo!

"Hans!, you fat fuck."

Of course I am.

"You're back!"

Of course I am.

"Whoo-hoo!"

My fans speak.

Hans

"Talk radio used to be interesting, full of useful information, tips, and stories of local interest before the advent of the right wing takeover of the format."
* * * *

Talk radio's always been boring. But the more parochial and local, the more boring. Fact is, if there were a big market for local busybodies to call in and discuss the virtues of new bike paths and last night's middle school volleyball game, the market would have filled up the airwaves.

What you described in the second paragraph were many of the things, in addition to news, that large AM radio stations thrived on. They weren't losing money when consolidation by a handful begun. There were no fire sales going on. They were doing well as mostly locally owned entities.

Hey, when someone dangles more money that you can spend in your face to buy you out you'd be a fool not to sell. Clear Channel, Sinclair Broadcasting, and Cumulous did exactly that.

Murf? Honest? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

How's that McCain victory party working out, swabbie bait?

Based on what the Dems have done the last 2 years(nothing)Its going to be a miracle if they do anything over the next 4. Chimpy2 has no clue, he will sit down with any body.

Thank god for Rush, Sean and Billo. In today's busy world, who has the time to think for themselves. Another example of the wonders of outsourcing. If it wasn't for these great men we never would have learned about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the sanctity of domestic wiretapping, the joy of outting CIA operatives or the nuisance of the Constitution. We never would have learned that Bill Clinton was a murderer, drug dealer and a traitor. They helped us all see that GWB's presidency is truly an historic one.
And most recently showing us all that our present economic woes are the fault of Emir Obama.
Without them we would not be so enlightened. After all, the left wing main stream east coast elite n-loving commie socialist Khmer Rouge VC PC educated erudite fancy pants media never covers these stories.

Finally Americans began to understand that if a candidate is ok with Rush and Sean then he/she is probably bad for America. Too bad it took an economic melt down of our economy to finally shake enough sense into some folks, one would have thought that unnecessary wars would have been enough but no, only fear of personal financial loss gets through to many.
Murphy you can keep repeating your nonsense about them coming after Huffington Post, etc. but they aren't carried on the publicly owned air waves, AM Radio is and we as a nation have a perfect right to demand fairness be carried on our air waves.

As ashamed as I am about it, my father is, or at least, was, a devout dittohead.

Here's what I think about why: Rush may allow you to believe that those thoughts you have might be valid, he reinforces a lot of negative feelings. He also makes you feel better, smarter, as you can talk "politics" without having to actually read anything. Rush will tell you who to blame if something goes wrong. It is the "raging libs." Never forget that. Rush will tell you what to say, to think. It's great. See? You are smart after all.

Since Limbaugh's show was syndicated nationally in August 1988, only two Republicans have won the popular vote in a presidential election -- Bush 41 in 1988 and Bush 43 in 2004.

It's pretty amusing to think that Limbaugh and his shrill, divisive brand of Republicanism might have driven his party into the minority.

Hannity, Bleah!
Limbaugh, Double Blah!
O'Reilly, Triple Bleah!
Coulter, Retch!
Michael Savage, Double Retch!!
Laura Ingraham Triple Recth!!!

And to "The Judge" and all the other poison pits on talk radio who have been left out from the list. Get a pet and get a life. Your rants are destructive and insane.

If talk radio is killing the GOp, then all I've got to say is God bless Rush, Hannity and the rest. They are doing His work.

I think what's killing the GOP is that they are tethered to the extremes of Christianity. If they could cut that cord they would make an impressive comeback. But constantly harping about gay marriage, abortion and whether spongebob squarepants and tinky-winky are getting it on is just stupid.

I think that could happen if/when Mitt Romney wins the nomination in 2012. He's a Mormon, he's a former Massechusetts governor, very far from the far right. If you look at the GOP, losing the primary is a right of passage. HW Bush, Dole and McCain, all lost it and then won it the next time around.

And after they destroy talk radio--they will come after Huf n Puf and Daily Ko's.

How would like that?

#6 | Posted by MURPHY at 2008-11-17 08:33 PM | Reply |

THEY? They destroy talk radio? Who the fuck are you talking about? No one is advocating taking these clowns off the air, the observation being made is that the right wing talk radio approach is damaging the GOP, that the GOP's approach in the past decade which is based on division is not a sustainable political strategy. The example being cited is Palin: her divisive and inflammatory rhetoric is just plain stupid and people are tired of having a shrill talking head screaming about issues that really don't amount to much and promoting hate and disdain of people that have a different ideology.

Time to grow up, your country will thank you for it.

Tiger150, thanks for your 9:55 post. It was hilarious.

Conservatives have had to vote the lesser evil for years. The last few years repubs have proven they are no better than dems.
The blame lies squarely with the rino's .

"He's a Mormon, he's a former Massechusetts governor, very far from the far right."

He WAS very far from far right just like John McCain but in order to secure the Republican nomination and to put together a coalition of Republican sub-groups both needed to move farther towards the right and the religious extremists.
That's why Palin was brought in, Romney would probably have to bring in someone like her too.

If you listen to too much talk radio you will begin to think that habeas corpus is nothing more than a city in Texas.

What destroyed the GOP was a complete abandonment of anything resembling conservatism. Many conservative talk radio people have ripped them for that. Even if some of the personalities were cheerleaders, ultimately it was the party's choice to become a bunch of big-spending abortion-hating windbags.

As an aside, I have never met a conservative who listens to Rush but have seen dozens of lefties here talk about what he said on the radio the other day.

The beauty of free speech is that eventually you get the change to realize that the speaker is full of crap. I just wish that folks would see that about all these divisive talking heads on both sides of the aisle. I read some conservative and some liberal commentators, often a bit on the extreme side at times, but they can back up arguments. These radio and TV guys are strictly about ratings. It really pisses me off that so many people listen to and quote them.

As an aside, I have never met a conservative who listens to Rush but have seen dozens of lefties here talk about what he said on the radio the other day.

Joe, you hang around with young people, and that isn't Rush's demographic. People 40 and above love the dude because they buy into people preaching fear as that is kind of what they grew up with. For example, my dad is a staunch conservative and has been listening to Rush for years.

What if a Limpballs, Hannitty or O'Reilly starts prodding listeners to string the n-i-g up? No doubt racist lunatiucs out there are ready to play dittohead. I'm nervous for Malia and Sasha; the four little girls in the Atlanta church have never been properly avenged. I do hope the Secret Service doubles in size. herm

#4 | Posted by herm at 2008-11-17 08

fear mongering...I thought only the right wing 'crusaders' did that?

"And after they destroy talk radio--"

This has no meaning whatsoever.

Hans

#7 | Posted by Hans at 2008

a typical NO ANSWER....

what murphy was saying is that if hannity can lose his first amendment right of free speech then so could jon stewart or huffington

EXCEPT MURPHY I dont think that would happen
all obama has to do is call right wing radio 'hate speech' and the others something else and then if you DARE TO ATTACK obama over it then its pretty simple

you are just a racist who wants more hate speech.
see how easy that can happen

and the scary part is that it could happen with just a swipe of the pen from barry

and thats why the legislation to prevent that is so important BUT one that will be hidden somewhere

fear mongering...I thought only the right wing 'crusaders' did that?

When there have already been racist threats on Obama's life incluuding plots broken up and you've got little mongoloid southern hellspawn singing songs about assassinating Obama on their school bus it aint fear mongering, BLT, it's merely recognising the hate, ignorance and penchant fer violence that resides on the right.

It's merely recognising reality.

Spud fergives you fer not recognising reality yerself cos yer one of the 24%ers who still approve of Dumbya.

Yer inability to discern any difference between wrong or right or, indeed, any portion of reality is already well established here.

Also, you come from a racist shithole like Texas so really one can only expect so much from yas.

Be Well.

/And Yes, Spud is gonna have a lot of fun over the next eight Obama-fied years pointing out the fact that Texas is part of the big red streak of racist ignorance that continues to pollute the central parts of the US.
//All apologies to the good people of Austin.
///Spud realises yer not like that fer the most part.

"The blame lies squarely with the rino's"

The shepard can't control his flock, so he blames the hungry sheep instead of moving to the greener pasture. Typical.

Religion and non-interventionism did not get along. Religion and federalism did not agree. Religion and individual liberty did not mix. In the end, religious "conservatives" torpedoed their own movement by forcing it to do exactly what it had originally sought to hedge against: instead of being a voice for common sense and government restraint, they became an engine for social and economic change through activism.

A movement that relies almost solely on anger and religious grandstanding is hard to maintain. And a quick look at recent republican priorities shows that the party has confused itself to the point no one knows what they stand for.

When there have already been racist threats on Obama's life incluuding plots broken up and you've got little mongoloid southern hellspawn singing songs about assassinating Obama on their school bus it aint fear mongering, BLT, it's merely recognising the hate, ignorance and penchant fer violence that resides on the right.

It's merely recognising reality.

not correct potatoface.....

your post tries to say that its only the right who might do something and thats incorrect

whats funny is you talking about reality

"He WAS very far from far right just like John McCain but in order to secure the Republican nomination and to put together a coalition of Republican sub-groups both needed to move farther towards the right and the religious extremists."

Unfortunately that seems to be the only way to win the nomination.

I think the next election is going to be a landslide no matter who the GOP puts up. The next 4 years will decide which direction that landslide will be in though. For the health of the nation I hope its a re-election landslide, but there are so many problems that can't be solved quickly I wouldn't be shocked if it went the other way.

Had a right wing guy in my office come into my office complaining...."the Dems want to take away our freedom of speech!!!!!"

I simply looked at him and said....10.5 TRILLION DOLLARS OF DEBT....that's what you should be worried about go turn Rush off and start learning about what is REALLY going on. He didn't understand...of course....but that is how I "talk" to right wing nuts these days. I just won't dignify their repititions of Rush talking points with an argument.

Rush and Sean will still be able to lie with impunity on a daily basis after January 20th.
No need to worry about that. Bullshit will always
get clearnace to fly. This just in, Rush is blaming Harry Truman for the current financial mess and Al Pacino for his addiction to opiates.
Rush was very influenced by Al's performance in
Panic in Needle Park. I figured he would have been more impacted by Al's tour de farce in Cruisin.

The GOP shot themselves in the dick by acting like democrats.

Their memory is real short and they forgot how they got in power in 94.

"The GOP shot themselves in the dick by acting like democrats."

Yeah, the destruction of the American economy was just incidental.

I just won't dignify their repititions of Rush talking points with an argument.

#54 | Posted by danni

Why, is the KOS site down?

WISGOD I can honestly say I have only been to that site a couple of times. I don't post anyone's talking points.

What the cartel who owns radio has never attempted to understand is that the public airwaves exist to serve the public, not to put as much money as possible into corporate coffers.
The FCC has a responsibility to insure that radio stations serve the public good. If all these stations can do is broadcast hate and intolerance then the FCC is bound, by law, to pull their licenses.
Here's hoping the new, non Bush, FCC will do just that.

Remember Liz Trotta? I don't think she was expecting the librul black dude to win, if she was, she was hoping for death and chaos and a nation reeling. Hmmmm. Yes, the spittle spouting of these areseholes in K-mart human costumes have impact. Rush' has got to be careful, as does Coulter, Savage and Ingraham, and the rest of their ilk. This past election raised the wire mesh gate and let the uglies play in public, and now they feel betrayed by their own country, and boy are they pissed. Not all. Not most. But, I'm sure, enough.

It'll be interesting how they play it, how far they will push it now that the beast people have seen and felt the spotlight. I don't know if this genie can be put back into the bottle. Interesting times ahead.

They're being fitted for their hoods as we speak.

WISGOD I can honestly say I have only been to that site a couple of times. I don't post anyone's talking points.

#59 | Posted by danni

Right, and I'm a liberal.

WISGOD It matters not to me whether or not you believe me but why would I be ashamed of going to Dailykoz????

"Interesting times ahead."

And behind. Back in the sixties the same folks really did some horrible stuff. My family have been thinking that it might be better if we built a Lunar White House and let Obama govern from a safe distance from some of these lunatics.

Yeah, the destruction of the American economy was just incidental.

#57 | Posted by danni

So the dems in congress had nothing at all to do with the current situation the economy is in, Danni? Okay, I believe you........

The only thing killing the GOP are it's current 'leaders' (or lack thereof) who have departed from the principles that once made the party strong.

Yeah, talk radio is the cause!

I guess all you left wing bloviators won't be pressing for any "fairness doctrine" then....since right wing radio undermines the Republican party?

Yeah...uhuh...right!

So the dems in congress had nothing at all to do with the current situation the economy is in, Danni? Okay, I believe you........

#66 | Posted by everlong at 2008-11-18 04:11 PM | Reply

So what did the dems do to share the blame? How about a point every now and then? How about a link?

"TALK RADIO'S KILLING GOP".

YOU LIBERAL'S WISH!

"YOU LIBERAL'S WISH!"

Another illiterate shouting that fact out to the world.

Hans

So the dems in congress had nothing at all to do with the current situation
the economy is in,... Okay, I believe you........

#66 | Posted by everlong at 2008-11-18 04:11 P

To borrow a little of JAMES DEAN's style of posting --

1. A REPUBLICAN President has been in control of the White House for the last eight years. FACT!

2. The Republicans have had complete control of both the House and the Senate for
the last 6 years out of 8. FACT!

2. The last 2 years out of 8 in which the Democrats had a majority in the House and the Senate they still did not have total control because:

a. The Dems did not have enough required votes needed (60) to override a Bush veto. FACT!

b. The Dems still did not have enough votes to stop any Republican filibuster often done to block Democrats' bills which came to the floor for a vote. FACT!

Any computer geeks?

How do I make an "indent"?

In my #72, I wanted to indent the "a and b" subparagraphs but didn't know how.
Any tips? Thanks.

The space key?

"Any computer geeks?"

Christine, what you're seeking is what is known as an ordered list. The HTML code goes something like this:

[ol][li]List item number 1[/li]
[li]List item number 2[/li][/ol]

I'll now try it with the actual tags (above the comma and period):

List item number 1
List item number 2

If it doesn't work then Rogers doesn't allow that particular HTML code.

Hans

Nope... doesn't work here.

Hans

You can use blockquote

But it indents the entire sentence, yet more on the left than the right.

Just below the comment it does say that you can use the ul and li but may be rCade is just playing with Hans' Head. You know, the bald one.

But what difference does it make?

You could just type (indent) and we'll use our imagination.

Nope... doesn't work here.

This would not indent a paragraph anyway. Ordered and unordered lists (of which the numbered list is subset) would not indent only the first line as a paragraph is properly done. THey indent all lines.

What if a Limpballs, Hannitty or O'Reilly starts prodding listeners to string the n-i-g up?
#4 | Posted by herm

No! Wrong!!

Dumbass racist Liberals like you NEED for the Republicans to be racist.

You Liberals are such racists.

"You Liberals are such racists."

You're either with us or against us.

Hans

Hans, OzarkAggie, and Goatman

Thanks, fellas, for the "indent" info.

Guess it won't work on here, but I'm sure I'll survive without it.

use the underscore a couple of times to offset it Christine. THAT should work.

Larry

"Thanks, fellas, for the "indent" info."

Tip 'O the Tilley to you, Christine.

Hans

Any computer geeks?

How do I make an "indent"?
deinnt

"Liberals are such racists." Lately I've read that African-Americans are racists (maybe after slavery), that Nazis were leftists and libs are Nazis, that conservatives are the "real" apostles of democracy and liberals want to shut down free speech. If I were new around here, I'd look for Toto or a March Hare. herm

I guess all you left wing bloviators won't be pressing for any "fairness doctrine" then....

#68 | Posted by TheOneBS

Care to show me here where anyone has been pressing for the Fairness Doctrine? Seems to me I only hear about it from those on the right trying to scare people. I've never heard a real push for it from the left.

The Dems still did not have enough votes to stop any Republican filibuster often done to block Democrats' bills which came to the floor for a vote. FACT!

#72 | Posted by CalifChris

Yes, for some reason you never hear about the fact that the Pubs in Congress have set new records for the amount of filibusters the last 2 years.

The Fairness Doctrine is just the latest narrative from the right wing radio bloviators to give their audience a sense of being victims of some evil liberal conspiracy. Why on earth would liberals want to silence them? They are great propagandists for them and it's all free.

The only way that most of their listeners are victims is that listening to these windbags makes them victims of their own lack of curiosity. Meanwhile life goes on, anyway.

Conundrum: If a person is incurious, will telling them that they are victims of their own unstated incuriosity make them any less incurious?

Planting seeds in peoples minds before they ban free speech.

Errr, I don't think anyone outside of a self-enclosed looney bin thinks that free speech will now be banned. If anything it will be expanded since our pussy media can now investigate government incompetence and wrongdoing without having flags and Bibles waved at them.

Limbaugh's Salary: $33 Million
Palin's wardrobe: $150 k
Watching the Republicans self destruct: Priceless

I don't agree with the analysis.

This wasn't said years ago, in 2004 or 2000.

Rush had a field day with R's voting for Hillary to prolong the primaries.

That didn't kill the GOP. That was killing the Dems.

Hannity, IMO, destroyed himself when he didn't stand against McCain. He didn't support McCain. He was talking to a lot of other contenders before McCain took the nomination. They were better choices. Instead of supporting a good candidate, he supported the last one standing.

That goes against everything Hannity claims he stands for. He always claims he'd speak for and against the Republicans. But, he couldn't during the primaries. Why not?

Plus, Hannity and gang were destroyed by spending their past two+ years creating everything they needed to destroy Hillary. They screwed up. They succeeded in tanking her nomination when they had planned on sinking her for the Presidency.

I'd guarantee that they had in their vaults tons of video and audio material just waiting to hit Hillary with and they found themselves with Obama and a few tidbits of worthless associations.

That's all they talked about for the past months was about associations. They weren't prepared and nor was Hillary.

If radio could have helped the GOP, it would have been in having Hillary nominated and then attacked. Instead, radio didn't help at all. I don't believe they tanked the GOP. The GOP didn't need any help.

I can't wait for Obama to become President. Savage should be very entertaining. I can't wait for the lawsuit against Media Matters

Funny thing... when Liberal Dems lose... no one seems to suggest that they change their core beliefs.. and they don't.

Politics runs in cycles.. and the pontificaters were ALL wrong this time.. (remember how Hillary had this locked up?)

Conservatives should simply remain true to principle, and not nominate another moderate.. the politics will swing back (remember Carter?) and maybe next time, we won't spend money like democrats, expand government, and adopt the newest du joir philosophy pretending to be science.. (global warming)..

Rush stated today that Obama could no more turn his back on Osama bin Laden than he could turn his back on Jeremiah Wright.

Sounds like he's calling the president-elect a terrorist, or at least a terrorist sympathizer. I suppose there's a cadre out there for whom such statements are red meat.

However, the rest of us see Limbaugh for the pond scum he is, and is very proud to be. But as long as he chases his hated moderates our way, I won't complain too loudly.