Man, I wisht I'uz frum Alabamy.

Too many queers in Jawja.

The ugly refrain is thought to be only part of the backlash from white supremacists against the President-elect, who beat Republican John McCain in a historical election victory earlier this month.

Ah, the things one learns at a Klan picnic with yer parents.

/Who also happen to be cuzzins.

Wot ever happened to "Teach your children Well"?

Be Well.

/One of the best parts about being on the left is you get to completely disavow these types of assholes.
//Thank gawd the right's racist southern stratagery failed to work this time out.

It's the exact same thing as the kids who were swearing allegiance to Obama a while back.

Mouthpieces for their parents. Left to their own devices they wouldn't give a shit.

However I seem to recall people saying about that, "Maybe these kids are just EXCITED ABOUT OBAMA!".

It's the exact same thing as the kids who were swearing allegiance to Obama a while back.
#3 | Posted by soheifox

It's not exactly the same thing, fox. The racist murdering angle throws a wrench into your analogy.

Mouthpieces for their parents.

Their parents weren't on the bus, Foxy.

The pro-Obama sing-along kids were indeed being coached in their responses but they also probably didn't go on to sing that song independently on their school buses afterwords.

These kids are the children of racists and they are being taught hate at an early age that may stay with them their whole lives until they pass it on to their kids and thus perpetuate a cycle of vicious ignorance that has gone on for far too long in the racist south.

The South WILL SINK again.

Be Well.

Way to go, Spud.

You just said I was wrong about the kids being mouthpieces for their parents....

..by saying that the kids are mouthpieces for their parents.

It's not exactly the same thing, fox. The racist murdering angle throws a wrench into your analogy.

#4 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2008-11-18 11:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

Wrong. They're the exact same thing. Swearing blind allegiance to one thing is exactly the same as swearing blind opposition to something else. There's no magical difference in the danger level of it just because one directly involves racism and the other doesn't.

Well, there is a slight difference. The former group will smile and sing happy songs while they stomp your guts out, and the latter will be wearing a frown and cussing you out while doing it. Either way, that level of dedication still gets the opposition's guts stomped out.

...and neither are what the kids would want to do, left to their own devices without their parents force-feeding them politics.

Way to go, Spud.

You just said I was wrong about the kids being mouthpieces for their parents....

..by saying that the kids are mouthpieces for their parents.

Umm, where did Spud say you were "Wrong"?

Spud agreed that they were both parroting words taught to them by their parental units but made a point of differentiating between kids being coached to sing a song for the cameras and kids learning a racist song that they went on to sing fer their own enjoyment on a school bus.

At some point you hafta take responsibility for the words that come out of you, even if they were put there by someone else.

All intellectual property is theft, Foxy.

We're all standing on the shoulders of giants.

Except fer those who stand on the shoulders of midgets ...like these racist rug rats.

Be Well.

Wrong. They're the exact same thing. Swearing blind allegiance to one thing is exactly the same as swearing blind opposition to something else. There's no magical difference in the danger level of it just because one directly involves racism and the other doesn't.

Yer equivilancy argument is bunk.

The song calls for an assasination of Obama.

There's a difference between free speech and hate speech, Foxy.

Learn it.

Be Well.

"Spud agreed that they were both parroting words taught to them by their parental units but made a point of differentiating between kids being coached to sing a song for the cameras and kids learning a racist song that they went on to sing fer their own enjoyment on a school bus."

"Yer equivilancy argument is bunk.
The song calls for an assasination of Obama.
There's a difference between free speech and hate speech, Foxy."

The crux of the biscuit.

There's this thing called human history. It shows that unthinking zealotry, whether race is involved or not, is an incredibly dangerous thing. Look into it.

If we should be concerned with kids wanting Obama dead, we should be equally concerned with kids swearing unfailing allegiance to Obama. One indicates a willingness to kill Obama. The other indicates a willingness to kill or die FOR Obama. There's no difference. Both are scary things to be coming out of the mouths of children.

Get it? Just because there's dark-skinned people involved doesn't magically make it less dangerous one way but not the other. Get over it. This thinking, that somehow if black people are involved the rules are different, is just as bad as the people who think that if black people are involved it must be worthless. Both are idiotic, racist opinions that only hold us back.

Yes. If you believe that racism is worse then any otherwise identical offense simply because there's racism, you have a serious perception problem. Black people aren't untouchable paragons of virtue, whom it is somehow inherently worse to be evil towards then it is to be evil towards white or Asian people.

Someone is going to incorrectly call me a hypocrite for this... I don't think AA needs to go away, as there's still a socioeconomic barrier that needs to be hurdled.. and we ARE getting closer but we're not there yet.. but it's incredibly childish to think that it should go beyond that. But see? Things are not black and white. Everything is shades of grey. The difference between my mindset and the mindset of those opposing me on this thread can be boiled down to that.

I recognize that Black folks face significant, even unfair challenges, but I don't believe that makes them special, or that racism is worse then any other form of hatred and zealotry. I see shades of grey where others naively see black and white. Until you can get past the FACT that overprotecting Black people hurts them just as much as directly attacking them, you're never really going to "get" the race issue.

And to make it clear: a bunch of white kids killing a black kid while calling him a nigger is the EXACT SAME OFFENSE as a bunch of black kids calling some white kid a nazi before killing him. Both have happened and been reported on in mainstream media, multiple times. Yet only in one type of case does an extra imaginary "hate crime" get attached.

That's insulting. It cheapens the lives of those who were murdered. Murder is murder. The motive behind the murder is just evidence towards what kind of murder it was. To add additional "hate crime" punishment to MURDER is just... insane. How is that going to do anything but be divisive and beget MORE racism, when white people see that one of theirs goes to jail longer because the victim was black, and the inverse isn't true, that's going to cause problems. Though not the literal truth, that is PERCEIVED AS the law putting a higher value on the murder of a black person then on the murder of a white person.

You don't stop a boat that's about to tipping over and taking water by going past the center and tipping it the other way. For a while there you'll think you're okay, but in the end, you'll still have a boat that's about to take water.

If the Obama song had lyrics in it about being willing to kill and die for him, you might have a point.

If the Obama song had lyrics in it about being willing to kill and die for him, you might have a point.

#13 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2008-11-18 12:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

An oath of loyalty, which was what they were doing, includes that by happenstance. We have this neat thing called "history" that backs me up on that. Really, you should read up on that. It'll teach you a lot about people when you see that we, as a race, never change; and that sort of thing is NEVER healthy for the opposition, be they a different race, religion, or even of a different opinion on what a place should be _called_.

You think because we have hate crime legislation that all of a sudden a loyalty oath taken to a black guy is any less scary then one taken to a white guy? Use your head instead of you knee, remove race form the equation, and suddenly kids being influenced by their parents into making such absolute statements to anything.. idealism, a person, or even their own country, gets a lot spookier.

Damnit, stop giving the black guy's cause a pass on things just because he's black. Unquestioning loyalty to ANY cause is a horrible thing.

Aww, why didn't you tell me there was a Holocaust denier over in another thread? I love slaughtering those guys!

Incidentally, on that note, the events that led TO said Holocaust began with cutesy things like children giving oaths of loyalty to their elected leader. Do I think Obama is going to be the next Hitler?

Irrelevant question. I intend to never have to see another Hitler, ever again, by helping to squash brainless, unthinking loyalty anywhere it's seen. No exceptions. I don't even let my wife blindly agree with ME, why would I want children blindly following racist jerks or Obama?

If you've read enough of my posts, haven't you noticed that my biggest objection to pot is not the drug itself, but that it's idiotic worshipers think it's a cure for everything from Narcolepsy to Insomnia and are willing to swallow anything positive said about it without bothering to verify the research?

Does that make a bit more sense now?

"The other indicates a willingness to kill or die FOR Obama."

Yer insane.

Check out the Hitler Jugend, and the indoctrination they received, and before that the youth arm of the homosexual dominated Nazi Party AA also had kids reciting mandated responses.

Listen to the chants to Chairman Mao, or the two North Korean "Dear Leaders."

When I was in OCS, we would stand on the parade grounds with rifles yelling in response to prompts. "What is the function of the artillery." Response, "Kill. Kill. Kill." Such indoctrination is effective and a conditioned response develops, so that what the question itself is is immaterial. The response is agreement and willingness to act.

It's a process that secures agreement. And once the process is ingrained, the robots will agree to anything however antithetical it may be to their original belief system and taboos. It is unthinking, and eliminates any obstruction to directed action by interposition of a thought.

Er, does anyone have any idea concerning what the content of the "vile rhymes" was. There is so much elaboration of material here, and so much interpretation, that it would be edifying to see the text of the statements.