This sucks.

Now this is change? LOL!!!

I hope like hell this isn't going to be a Clinton Presidency with an Obama/Biden face to it. I will be highly pissed if it becomes that.

Larry

It could be a smart move, Larry. No way it will diminish the President. It may keep Bill in his place, with her, too. She can keep an eye on him and vice versa.

Not what I would have thought of, but I think it's no bad thing to have her out of the Senate where her agenda could be Her First.

And the challenge to take over from Condi Rice - tempting.

Let's hope that You're correct Sitdown. I would hate to have a bad taste in My mouth Ya know.

Larry

Hahaahah!! Change! Kinda like the change you get when you're playing musical chairs! Hahaha!!!

Houdini would be a better choice considering the crazy knot the world is tied up in. Hildini?

Hahaahah!! Change! Kinda like the change you get when you're playing musical chairs! Hahaha!!!

#6 | Posted by American1st at 2008-11-15 12:40 AM | Reply

If you think Obama will be 4 more years of Bush--why aren't you happy?

BOB

That's liable to make his head explode

Logic isn't a right winger's strong suit

Hahaahah!! Change! Kinda like the change you get when you're playing musical chairs! Hahaha!!!

#6 | Posted by American1st

I couldnt agree with you more.

If you think Obama will be 4 more years of Bush--why aren't you happy?

#8 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

BOB

That's liable to make his head explode

Logic isn't a right winger's strong suit

#9 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

So according to you 2 anyone who did'nt support Obama must be a supporter of Bush, McCain, and the Republican party.

Twisted logic to be sure. What about us that aren't lemmings for either of the 2 corrupt political parties.

There's a world of difference between a party who advocates for the middle class and the other who puts them out of work.

There's a world of difference between a party who advocates for the middle class and the other who puts them out of work.

#11 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Hmm I have never been hired or put out of work by a political party. I didn't know political parties were in the HR business.

I prefer a party that keeps it's nose out of peoples personal matters, supports the Constitution, and the individual rights of all people regardless of class. Does that sound like either of the two major parties to you?

Hmm I have never been hired or put out of work by a political party. I didn't know political parties were in the HR business

Who said they were?

If you think Obama will be 4 more years of Bush--why aren't you happy?

It's not that he isn't different than Bush, dummy. It's that he ran on a platform of change. A different kind of politics, if you will.

Yet here he is, picking former clinton staffers and, possibly, Hillary Clinton. Who's next? Madeline Albright?

That's not change. It's recycled content from decades past. Which is exactly what was pointed out to you folks prior to his election.

Politicians do not affect change.

Every time an election comes around, someone runs on the platform of change.

Should we pick a Secretary of State the world's leaders know or a completely or relatively unknown person?

Who said they were?

#13 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

You did or did you forget what you just posted?

"There's a world of difference between a party who advocates for the middle class and THE OTHER WHO PUTS THEM OUT OF WORK."

Should we pick a Secretary of State the world's leaders know or a completely or relatively unknown person?

#15 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Isnt that what we just did for President.

If you confuse policies that benefit the middle class with those that benefit business at the expense of the middle class with HR I can't help you.

Isnt that what we just did for President.

We're talking about Sec of State. Keep up.

We've elected lots of Presidents no one heard of before a campaign. Most who knew Ronald Reagan knew him as Bonzo's sidekick.

In this day and age a Sec of State they know would be advantageous I'd think. Especially a Hillary Clinton, wife of the last President they had any respect for.

If you confuse policies that benefit the middle class with those that benefit business at the expense of the middle class with HR I can't help you.

#17 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

My point is the only way government can effect jobs and the economy is by enacting more or less regulation or levying more or less taxes.

Dont those businesses create the middle class.

Dont worry about helping me I think Im doing o.k. on my own.

We're in the middle of a crisis brought on by deregulation slipped in by the GOP

Immigration policies put people out of work. I was in NYC last year. Many of the jobs in the financial sector were taken by H-1B workers from India and China.

Tax credits enacted by the GOP are given to corporations to pay for shipping jobs overseas.

Policy has a lot to do with job loss or growth.

My point was the DEMS have always been on the side of the working man, and the GOP on the side of those who aren't.

BTW, sorry I got a little snarky with you there

Here is the rub AmericanUnity. I voted for Obama/Biden that we might have a true fresh restart with an Obama Presidency. I didn't hire Him to place Clintonites in His Executive Branch. If I wanted a Clinton Presidency I would have hired Hillary. I expected Obama to name fresh people to His Cabinet and other offices. I am a tad pissed off at how it's turning out so far. I hope that I am wrong and He will hire fresh new people in the days and weeks to come. To Me hiring Hillary is a slap in the face of what I expected. How could He hire a Woman that literally trashed Him at every turn. Hell She was propping up John McCain while simultaniously slamming Obama. It just reaks it really does. There is a saying in the joint that says You don't become friends with the one who snitched You out. Same holds true here. You don't hire the person who trashed Your good name simply because it was expedient. Bunch of shit if You ask Me.

Larry

We've elected lots of Presidents no one heard of before a campaign. Most who knew Ronald Reagan knew him as Bonzo's sidekick.

#18 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

I think most who knew of Reagan knew him as the Govern of California. Although he was just another big government conservative which is no better than being a big government liberal. There hasnt been a canidate of either major party worth voting for since Goldwater to bad I wasnt born yet.

Should we pick a Secretary of State the world's leaders know or a completely or relatively unknown person?

If you're campaigning on a platform of change, yes you should. There are plenty of qualified people out there who could do the job as good or better. And they don't come with the baggage of the Clintons.

If your campaign for change is bullshit rhetoric used to get you elected, well I guess we have our answer.

Don't get me wrong on this. The alternative to an Obama presidency would have resulted in exactly the same policies being carried over from the Bush Administration into a McCain administration.

In this day and age a Sec of State they know would be advantageous I'd think. Especially a Hillary Clinton, wife of the last President they had any respect for.

Advantageous? Perhaps. I am no politico. I just give my honest opinion.

Change? No, it's not.

Translation: I went to Goodyear expecting 5 Fresh new tires. What it seems like I received was 2 Fresh New tires and 3 Retreads. Not at all what I wanted.

Larry

Advantageous in the respect that so much repair needs to be done internationally and the world knows Hillary Clinton. Hell, she may not even want the job.

I think I know who YOU voted for. The one who caused all the damage to our image. Gee, thanks.

I'm amazed at how much griping the right already does and it's more than 2 months from even inauguration.

Griping about Bush was because of the plethora of tragic results we knew of.

LARRY

The cabinet is an 18 wheeler. Griping about one tire is kind of useless.

How could He hire a Woman that literally trashed Him at every turn.

LARRY

Read what Lincoln did when he was elected for a hint

She hasn't accepted the job. All this may be a useless waste of blood pressure, Larry.

I think I know who YOU voted for. The one who caused all the damage to our image. Gee, thanks.

In 2004, I voted for John Kerry.

In 2008, I voted for Barrack Obama.

I had intended to vote for a 3rd party candidate, but I changed my mind at the last minute.

I'm amazed at how much griping the right already does and it's more than 2 months from even inauguration.

I may describe myself as conservative, but that is only in fiscal policy. I am far, far, far from being "the right".

Your assumptions are disheartening. I suppose I shouldn't count on a stranger to not make wild assumptions about me because I don't like something the president-elect might be doing.

Is this what I can look forward to in the future of Obama's presidency?

Will any critique or disagreement be met with "Well, you must be just another dumb-ass rightard who voted for McCain"? Isn't that one of the things the left claims to dislike about Bush's supporters?

Well when I hire the Boys at Goodyear to replace all 18 tires with new ones and I find out one is a retread don't You think You would be pissed?? I know I would be because I expected Fresh Rubber not used rubber.

Larry

My point was the DEMS have always been on the side of the working man, and the GOP on the side of those who aren't.

#21 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

I've never really understood this whole working man argument. Dont most people work including rich people thats how they got rich excluding trust fund babies of course.

Larry; You are making sense tonight is everything O.K.

Personally I could care less who ends up as Sec of State. I"m sure whoever it is will be fine. After Condi "I can talk and continuously breathe while I spin for the Iraq War" Rice, anyone will be better.

It's all about who's at the top anyway. They all serve at the President's pleasure and take orders from him.

Again, Larry, read about Lincoln's transition.

I'm neither for nor against Hillary being Sec of State.

I am My normal self why??

AXIOM

Thank you for NOT voting for W or McCain.

I've never really understood this whole working man argument. Dont most people work including rich people thats how they got rich excluding trust fund babies of course.

The small business I work for pulls in ~5-6 million a year. The owner of the company comes in to the office around 11:00AM every morning Sunday through Saturday, and is there until 11 or 12 at night.

I consider him to be rich.

Thank you for NOT voting for W or McCain.

Honestly man. Eat me. I didn't vote for Obama so I could have your fucking approval. I voted for him because I thought he was better qualified for the job.

I don't need your sanctimonious bullshit.

I'm going back to bed.

Well, fuck off then if you want to be like that.

The small business I work for pulls in ~5-6 million a year. The owner of the company comes in to the office around 11:00AM every morning Sunday through Saturday, and is there until 11 or 12 at night.

I consider him to be rich.

#35 | Posted by Axiom

That doesnt sound like a working man to me. Thats way too much money to be a working man.

Well, fuck off then if you want to be like that.

#37 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Sounds like somebody can dish it out but cant take it.

No, someone being an asshole about it because they haven't had enough sleep isn't required.

No, someone being an asshole about it because they haven't had enough sleep isn't required.

#40 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Tired are ya.

Not at all.

You've got the place to yourself now.

We might as well voted for Hillary and cut out the middle man with all of his choices.

"President-elect Obama has made no secret of his affection for Doris Kearns Goodwin's marvelous book "Team of Rivals," which chronicles how President Lincoln invited his vanquished political opponents into his administration in order to negotiate centrist, consensus solutions to the dire problems facing our nation during her darkest hour. If President Obama does indeed select Senator Clinton as his Secretary of State, he will be invoking Lincoln's legacy in a profound way; and in the opinion of this Congressman, there could be no wiser choice for the post."

U.S. Representative Steve Cohen

RE: My earlier reference to Lincoln's transition moves

No, someone being an asshole about it because they haven't had enough sleep isn't required.

I wasn't using it as an excuse. I woke up at 2am with heart burn. I took some tums, drank a little milk and heart burn was gone.

I turned into an asshole because you are a self-righteous dick with your "thanks for not voting for Bush or McCain" comment.

At that point, it appeared that you weren't interested in having a real discussion.

So congrats to you. You win an internet.

I turned into an asshole

That sums it up. Since I already have one I'll 'regift' (Seinfeld) the other internet. We were having a discussion just fine until you woke up in a foul mood

Have a nice day. Hope you find your sense of humor. It couldn't have gone far.

The only people missing are
Lanny Davis
Sandy "Burglar"

I think they got everyone else

I am surprised George Snufalufagus hasn't been offered a Job

So in the entire country there is no one who can "change" anything except the former members of Bill's Admin..How pathetic

It would be better if he put Hillary in charge of the Interns!

well since my last post here didnt make it through the "CENSOR"
let me try this one

I hope she takes it and we never hear from her or her husband again

but then that would make it a little harder for me to have one of those CLINTON Moments....but I am sure I could find a way....lol

RCADE ANd/ or your posse on duty

I sincerely aplogize for the censor crack as my post I was talking about was on the other thread on this subject

I should have known better and I will bend over and say IM sorry ten times.............

"I should have known better and I will bend over and say IM sorry ten times............."

Must...resist...urge.

Can' t...post...obvious...but...dum pable.
..retort.

Hans

I think that Clinton is a shoe-in for the job. But maybe she would be better suited (and be more fulfilled by) tackling domestic issues (health care?) that she has already done so much work on?

"While Mr. Obama never seriously considered Mrs. Clinton as his running mate, one of his aides described him as "self-confident enough to want to send a message to the world about America and all that it can be and Hillary Clinton as secretary of state would do that."

The aide said that in the last few months of the campaign Mr. Obama came to appreciate the effort she made to rally her supporters on his behalf.

Should he pick her, Mr. Obama may further unite and energize his party, make clear to the world that he is serious about diplomacy, and send a substantive political signal to women."

"But as Mrs. Clinton dutifully showed up at campaign rallies this fall for Mr. Obama, it prompted speculation that she could be secretary of state. By Friday, when it erupted into full, officials from both sides of the aisle were abuzz with talk of what an Obama White House flanked by a Clinton State Department would look like. John Bolton, the former United States ambassador to the United Nations, who forecasted as early as this past July that Mrs. Clinton could wind up at the State Department, laughed as he offered the incoming president this piece of advice: "Obama should remember the rule that you never hire anybody you can't fire, especially as secretary of state."

That's pretty fucking funny.

Maybe Obama knows that Joe Biden, much as one loves him, is a loaded mouth ready to explode at any moment.

This could be a stroke of genius on Obama's part, indicating that he thinks that what she did for him in the election is what she will do for him in office.

THE Times article is chock full of stuff like Harry Reid nixing a Clinton health care subcommittee, and Teddy Kennedy saying health care will go thru his committee.

It would make sense for her to take some job in the WH, considering her junior status in the Senate where seniority rules over competence, kinda like loyalty did in the Bush admin.

AND, if some Libs want to be on John Bolton's side, be my guest.

Nice post, btw, Sloane.

Sorry You two I expected Freshness not staleness. That is what You get when You go back to yesteryear.

Larry

It's a kick reading how "Obama's bringing in the entire Clinton administration (sic)". So far, one ... ONE person who served in the Clinton Administration has been announced: Rahm Emmanuel - who happens to be a long time friend of Obama's from Illinois.

Care to name any cabinet appointments made yet? Didn't think you could. Clinton hasn't even accepted the job yet, but she's a qualified pick if she does. Her standing with world leaders is very good.

"President-elect Obama has made no secret of his affection for Doris Kearns Goodwin's marvelous book "Team of Rivals," which chronicles how President Lincoln invited his vanquished political opponents into his administration in order to negotiate centrist, consensus solutions to the dire problems facing our nation during her darkest hour. If President Obama does indeed select Senator Clinton as his Secretary of State, he will be invoking Lincoln's legacy in a profound way; and in the opinion of this Congressman, there could be no wiser choice for the post."

U.S. Representative Steve Cohen

Its simple enough:The "Bush-Clinton Crime Family" has now become the "Bush-Clinton-Obama Crime Family"! With $Trillions in easy US Taxpayer Bucks to "Siphon Off" Obama realizes he is really going to need the expert help of the Bushes and the Clintons!

More importantly Americans have with Obama gotten exactly what they so richly deserved - RIP!

Now this is change? LOL!!!

#2 | Posted by aclusux
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Yeah change you can believe in! What a joke!

Lonnie