I certainly hope they aren't back ... Just what we need -- NOT!

The Neocons never left. Like the cockroaches they are, they crawled back into the dark when too much light was shed on their agenda. How many more of our boys have to shed their blood for the Neocons' PNAC agenda? I knew McCain was for the Neocons when I saw Lieberman constantly by his side.

People hear the term "Neocons" and PNAC ("Project for a New American Century") but don't understand its importance. PNAC is a blueprint for the Neocons' plan to take over the world and all it's natural resources no matter how many of our boys have to die in Neocon wars to do it. They set out their agenda in that document and their Neocon thinktank is the "American Enterprise Institute." Any time you hear anyone from there -- they are Neocons. All you need to do is read the list of the original signators of PNAC and you have the power behind them. btw -- George W. Bush was not one of the signers to the document but his brother Jeb was.

This article I linked is a great short summary about PNAC.
Well worth the read and educating yourself.
Get ready for Iran. It's next on the Neocon agenda.

Chris -- Thanks for the Primer. Unfortunately, they have the taste of power and they won't give it up. In some way, with a distorted view of morality, they will subvert any administration that does not give them power. And in this sense theya re very, very dangerous!

the original neo-cons like wolfowitz have already made their money and are enjoying retirement.

Some little losers, most likely Chairbitch, Sniper, BLT and Wisbang, probably bought the expired domain and are now fighting over who gets to be web master.

I knew McCain was for the Neocons when I saw Lieberman constantly by his side

MCcain was Kristol and the neo-cons choice in 2000.
Fortunately for them, the GOP supplied them with an intellectual midget to manage.

One would think PNAC would be so embarrassed over being so wrong about everything and causing so much tragedy they'd be afraid to pop their heads up for a reconnoiter lookie loo. Just what credentials do they have to criticize anyone ever again?

Really hard to see the words GOP and Intellectual in the same sentance. I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.

PNAC - The Protocals - it is all the same.

Hopefully PNAc will re-build. America needs to start colonizing South America and parts of the Middle East

"America needs to start colonizing South America and parts of the Middle East"

Well, what are you waiting for then ---- the Government to Do it For You?

Touche REDNECK

Actually I can't wait until we expand our southern border 500 miles so we can claim more oil.Teddy Roosevelt would have been proud

The term "neocon" is silly. Conservatives are not new, any more than are liberals. (but for some reason we don't seem to hear the term "neoliberal" )

The only thing "new" was that Republican conservatives won the hearts of the American people after the nightmare of the Carter presidency, where before, conservatives were as likely to be Democrats.

It's a stupid, meaningless term, used by people that substitute slogans for thinking.

"The term "neocon" is silly. Conservatives are not new..."

The term "neocon" refers to a group of "political philosophers" who used to be liberal, then became conservative when the liberals wouldn't buy into their program. Hence the "neo" part.

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.

#7 | Posted by DUMPLING1

Better than what usually gets in there!

Really hard to see the words GOP and Intellectual in the same sentance.

#7 | Posted by DUMPLING1

Really hard to see someone using big words like SENTANCE when they shouldn't.

"The only thing "new" was that Republican conservatives won the hearts of the American people after the nightmare of the Carter presidency, where before, conservatives were as likely to be Democrats."

Yes they won the hearts but unfortunatel picked the pockets too....leaving 3 trillion dollars of debt after REagan, 2 more after Bush 1 and then another 5+ after Bush 2.
On the whole I'd prefer they not win any more hearts, it's too fucking expensive.

Really hard to see someone using big words like SENTANCE when they shouldn't.

All doubt removed.

The last thing we need is them watching Obama's every move and action. Yea, I know we did that to Bush, but that was different.

Daily KOS

What is this obsession you have with what Dumpling puts in his mouth?

Anyway, PNAC's discredited, but not out. AEI still around, too. I had hoped they had learned their lesson.

Probably these people want to rebuild PNAC in case there is another major terrorist attack so that they would be ready to attack Obama and then elect a neocon president. You know...another Pearl Harbor-like event.

I can't wait until Obama opens the borders so I can import beef from Mexico for my business

"I can't wait until Obama opens the borders"

I think you would have to close them before you could "open" them. Bush opened them wide and they remain open.

If one thing characterizes the last eight years, its never admit you're wrong and never learn from your mistakes, especially the DICK. I mean after all we're talking about biblical prophecies here. Someone has to get another fucking war started or God's word won't mean shit.

Or maybe its an advertisement for their last hurrah, destroying Iran.

The worst examples for what experience is worth are manifested in Cheney and Rummy.

can't wait until Obama opens the borders so I can import beef from Mexico for my business
#22 | Posted by timbci at 2008-11-13 04:13 PM

Ummmm, I can go down the road and have steaks cut from a side of Beef from Mexico at a local Cracker run store.
It says Product of Mexico right on it!

If you have a "business" that would benefit from "imported beef from Mexico" you don't need to wait for Obama, fool!

But I guess that says it all about your "business" acumen!

We have meat from Mexico at the Kroger 1/2 a mile from my house in Nashville. Says "Product of Mexico" right on the label.

Do the conservatives on the DR really believe all f this crap that they either say OObamaman is going to do or the million and one constitutional violations that he just want to do? bSecond, are those same conservatives as totally fucked up as it appears?

meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

there was a couple of things about the man that made me an obama fan. one is the same thing that his opponents tried to use against him, his inexperience. meaning he's not washington corrupted yet. the other thing is that he's an idealist and a cerebral person.

since he doesn't have to fight to get the job anymore maybe he can focus on some of these idealogical battles.

There are a lot of party hacks, on both sides of the aisle, that think their man will be immune from the physics of politics.

the opposite side of that is that an evil stupid president can use that popularity for gain and evil, like bush/cheney did.

It seems that people just don't understand the scariness of a "think tank" like PNAC.

Having seen the characters operating from PNAC in real life, I can assure anyone that the organization is as evil and un-American an organization as ever existed. And all of it's key members are very, very powerful. It's as if Adolf Hitler had pulled together a brilliant assortment of almost-mainstream extremists and militarist meglomaniacs to plot and plan his "Final Solution". Except when these PNAC almost-mainstream extremists and militarist meglomaniacs say they want a new world order led by the USA, they are actually saying that they want to perpetuate a US-military industrial corporate structure on the global political scene. It sounds as if it's an almost mainstream goal, and was included in the 2004 NSS, but it's NOT mainstream at all. It's a scary goal with a scary bunch on oligarchs and plutocrats manipulating the rules all the awy.

Typo correction: " ... a scary bunch of oligarchs and plutocrats manipulating the rules all the way."

Lipzoidial -- IMO, Bush was just a sock puppet to Cheney and Cheney's PNAC plotters. They recruited him because Bush was a empty suit who could get elected and who could then be manipulated to carry out PNAC's plans. Ask David Gergen about that.

And when out of office, the PNAC plotters will rework their strategies and so everything possible to subvet the Obama administration's goals and peacemaking efforts. Just wait and watch.

Typo correction: "... the PNAC plotters will rework their strategies and so everything possible to SUBVERT the Obama administration's goals and peacemaking efforts ..."

They recruited him...

I thought he was selected for the Republican presidential candidate by the voters during the primary, not PNAC.

Or was it the Illuminati? There are just too many conspiratorial groups who control the world to keep track of these days.

And when out of office, the PNAC plotters will rework their strategies and so everything possible to subvet the Obama administration's goals and peacemaking efforts. Just wait and watch.

And to think the left loves to say the right are pants pissers and scared of the bogeyman

"We just needed someone smarter." - William Kristol

That comment came out during an interview with William Kristol on PBS a couple years ago. I can't remember the name of the interviewer but there is no doubt about what they were discussing. The plans layed out in this manifesto did not seem to be working out too well for the neocons at the moment (Iraq and associated blunders) and Kristol was giving his explanations.

He was blaming George Bush. "We just needed someone smarter."

There's no doubt in my mind that they'll be back.

Bigger, nastier and more committed than ever.

The best read on how this was supposed to turn out was nicely outlined by Newsweek in an article called "Baghdad Year Zero." What they had in mind will turn your hair gray.

Bill Moyers????

Opps . . . it wasn't Newsweek. It was Harpers.

Twin -- Thanks for the link. If you ever find a link to the Kristol interview, please pass it along.

Goat: In March 1997, only 2 months after Pres. Clinton's 2nd Inaugural, David Gergen was the lunch speaker at a conference at the Ritz Carlton in DC for some finance industry execs. At that early date, he asked the audience if they had "any idea who the Republicans are going nominate in 2000?" That opening created a bit of a buzz, but not as much as his stunning answer to his own question: "George Bush!"

When the crowd's murmurs got audible enough to hear at his podium, he said, in showmanlike fashion, "No, not the 'George Bush' you're thinking of. Not 'President George H.W. Bush'; You should be thinking of 'Governor George Dubya Bush', the new governor of Texas."

Gergen then went on to explain that several powerful and influential members of the GOP were gathering a movement to make this "compassionate conservative" and aggressive campaigner be their party's flag bearer in 2000.

Amazingly, in retrospect, it is clear that these "influential Republicans" were the PNAC signatories who included Cheney, Wolfowitz, Kristol, Rumsfeld, Feith, Frum, and Woolsey and all of the other neocon insiders. And it was their efforts to recruit a willing Dubya to be their happy face to their plans.

Btw, do you really think that Dubya was organized to be able to get him motivated and then nominated with his own organization alone? Not on your life! Dubya had as much organizational capacity as he had talent as an oil wildcatter. Left to his own devices he'd be bankrupt.