rcade,
Are you having a TMZ moment?

She was wearing one of her RNC suits for her latest interview. Wonder if she will be charged for dry cleaning them also too.

Washington Post's Reliable Sources column reports on more Palin clothing expenditures, this time for Todd:

On top of the $150,000 first outlined in Federal Election Commission filings, Palin spent "tens of thousands of dollars" on additional clothing, makeup and jewelry for herself and her family, including $40,000 in luxury goods for her husband, Todd, our colleague Michael Shear reports. The campaign was charged for silk boxer shorts, spray tanners and 13 suitcases to carry all the designer clothes, according to two GOP insiders.

Amid speculation in Alaska and nationwide about Palin's political future, the governor has scheduled a series of national interviews on Fox News Monday night, NBC's "Today" show Tuesday and CNN on Wednesday. She also plans to attend the Republican Governors Association conference in Florida this week.

Getting the scent of desperation out of those clothes is going to be tough.

If she keeps everything with a "Made in China" label on it she should come out just about right...

How the hell are her kids losing their underwear?

Ohnevermind...

They should let the 7 y/o keep the Louis Vitton purse, cause every plumber's daughter has one.

Wait, she's been saying that the RNC already had them back. Now she's "sorting" through them?

WTF over?

If she keeps everything with a "Made in China" label on it she should come out just about right...

Actually it is easier than that... the borrowed clothes don't have a Carhartt Label.

Or moose poop.

You know I don't know why the RNC just doesn't charge Sarah Palin a buck an item and be done with it. It would solve so many problems. I just don't get it sometimes.

larry

Palin's campaign slogan in 2012: Closet first.

Sarah Palin will be giving a special interview tonight on FOX on Greta van Sustern's show (7 p.m. PST).

Greta is the most fair and intelligent person on FOX News. She went up to Alaska this weekend and got on exclusive interview and they'll discuss all the gossip allegations made against Palin and who's at fault.

Greta felt the bulk of the gossip against Palin were lies and went way overboard. I agree with van Sustern. I think Sarah Palin got a raw deal by the insiders of McCain's campaign who tried to lay all the blame for McCain's failure to win the election on Palin.

I had plenty of disagreements with Palin -- thought she ran around in the spotlight too much when she should have been taking care of her very young children, and didn't think she had enough of an intellectual grasp of the issues to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency. But it wasn't fair for McCain's people to lay all the blame on her for losing. Hell, Palin wasn't even known by most people until only two months before the election and she did everything the McCain camp told her to do.

McCain lost because he made it clear he would be no different than Bush should he win the election and America was desperate to get a change from the Bush Neocon policies, the Bush economy -- anything and everything that represented GWB.

If McCain had made even a half-ass effort to show Americans how he would have been different than GWB he might of won. But McCain was even more of an open borders, globalist free trader than Bush was, would have kept us in Iraq for another 25 years as McCain is more of a Neocon war hawk than Bush is, and McCain coming out in October and saying "there's nothing wrong with our economy" as the DOW was plunging to record lows and the world's economy was crashing sealed McCain's fate. Sarah Palin had nothing to do with McCain running a lousy campaign.

I think McCain needs to man up and come out and defend Sarah Palin against the gossip mongers in his own camp.

Yes if McC had only run a better campaign he would have picked someone with half a brain to be his running mate...

Thankfully he will now not be running the USA with the same reckless abandon.

They should let the 7 y/o keep the Louis Vitton purse, cause every plumber's daughter has one.

You do know that was a fake, right? Not that I'm trying to defend Piper or anything. Just pointing it out :-)

CaliChris be you on crack?

Scarey Falin' got a raw deal? She singlehandedly lowered the bar for McCain's campaign for her brownshirt hate-fest rallies, and she may even have some kind for record for being the fastest politician in history to go from zero to corrupt.

Awww poor Sarah! Harsh media. Yeah, factually, what about her that's been reported has been actually rebutted?

Personally, if I never run into anyone named "Piper" again in my lifetime I'll die happy. I threw up a bit in my mouth each time Palin and her personal Jesus Camp slithered onto the stage. I think those gumbos had already envisioned themselves in the White House.

"Sarah Palin had nothing to do with McCain running a lousy campaign.

I think McCain needs to man up and come out and defend Sarah Palin against the gossip mongers in his own camp."

CC I could entertain your argument for a second if Palin didn't come off a yeast infected gash on all of her interviews and constantly went off message on her campaign appearances.

The only time she looked half way decent was during her speech at the republican convention. But then she had her speech written for her by McCain's staff and she read it word for word.

At least now one of the sources for the scuttlebut on Palin has come forward:

Joke.

"That's the problem, you know, the kids lose underwear."

I guess that is what happens when you grow up in an abstinence-never household.

I guess that is what happens when you grow up in an abstinence-never household.

#21 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2008-11-10 06:08 PM |

Frankly I'm surprised Trig hasn't knocked somebody up yet.

At least now one of the sources for the scuttlebut on Palin has come forward ...

That was a hoax. I pulled the story offline one minute after posting it.

Those poor kids never had underwear before the campaign...

Oops! Thanks for the correction, RCade.

democrats: the party of hate

Republicans: the party of ______?

This is more gossip and slander that is not true.

CC--I am looking forward to Greta's interview tonight.

This is more gossip and slander that is not true.

The article quotes her father as being the source of this gossip:

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin spent part of the weekend going through her clothing to sort out the $150,000-plus in attire purchased by the Republican National Committee, according to Palin's father. "She was just frantically ... trying to sort stuff out," said Chuck Heath. "That's the problem, you know, the kids lose underwear, and everything has to be accounted for."

No wonder that other bit of gossip said Palin trusts no one, including her family and friends.

Republicans: The Party of Self Loathing Gay Men and Closeted Pedophiles.
In Denial since 1929.

I wonder what $150,000 in clothes looks like?

Funky Wal Mart Wardrobe Thom

Me too, the audio files will make for great radio!

I wonder what $150,000 in clothes looks like?

Funky Wal Mart Wardrobe Thom

During the campaign I posted a link to an interview with Palin in which she praised her daughter for buying a $15 dress for the governor's ball. $150,000 would buy 10,000 $15 dresses.

I can see Cali and Murphy sitting together in a bar somewhere, wine spritzers in hand, ogling the jarheads walking by, talking about what a "raw deal that good looking Alaskan" got, ordering some Cosmos, etc. and etc....

"wine spritzers"

CC's a frozen margarita type.
Murphy I don't know about.

Greta is the most fair and intelligent person on FOX News.

I used to think that about her too, but during this election, she did an awful lot of spinning. She is a politer version of Hannity, but her politics and her objectivity are are the same as his.

Vodka and cranberry without the lime...

Or Sierra Nevada...

Gal--

I was referring to the rest of the posts that slander Gov. Palin.

She said the clothes go to charity--and most were returned to the stores.

All this nonsense over clothes is really stupid.

The anomynous sources in the McCain camp are cowards and already folks have come forward who worked with Sarah and said the gossip was lies--ie the Africa, NAFTA and towel bullshit.

And Gal--you will love what she wears for the interview--lolol

I remember Greta before the "eye-job". Guess you have to sell your soul to get a fulltime TV gig.

"Vodka and cranberry"

OMFG

"some fruity little drink 'cause she can't shoot whiskey"

Murphy, I wish the anonymous sources would go on the record. Somebody from the McCain campaign made the claims, but who and why? I don't think it is all fiction and sour grapes, but what the real truth is remains to be seen.

The clothes wouldn't be a big deal at all if Palin hadn't billed herself as Mrs. Frugal McDugal, Mrs. Hockey Mom, kissing cousin to Joe Sixpack and Joe the Plumber.

"I was referring to the rest of the posts that slander Gov. Palin."

Spoken by Murphy, who didn't let a day go by without smearing Barack Obama.

As for the jarheads--Happy Birthday to the Marines--Semper Fi

"I remember Greta before the "eye-job"."

Why?

Gal--

They were lying because they are protecting their own butts for the next campaign.

Greta also spoke with other folks who were with Palin for the debate preparation--they were all on the record that Palin did not say those things--and they say she knew the things that the sources say she didn't know.

And she didn't go to the stores to buy the clothes Gal--the RNC sent out people to buy the clothes. That is one reason the bill was so high. They didn't know her size or didn't know how the clothes would fit--so they bought multiple sizes. Same for the makeup--they overbought to make sure they got the right stuff.

Palin is also a danger to the Repub party moderates and the MSM because she is not one of them.

"I remember Greta before the "eye-job"."

Why?

#43 | Posted by Zatoichi "

Shock treatments are wildly ineffective on me for some reason.

I remember Greta before the "eye-job".
Posted by Snark_Needleton

Why wouldn't that tight-fisted bitch have her jaw realigned at the same time?

"Shock treatments are wildly ineffective on me for some reason."

Posted by Snark_Needleton

They weren't very effective on McMurphy, either, hence the lobotomy.

"Make no mistake - conservatism didn't lose this election."

Don't Bogart that joint Oohrah, pass it around!

Zat--FF for the video.

I used to shoot whiskey--like 20 years ago--kamikazees and orange crushes.

I'm still hung up on the silk boxers for the first dude. Did they make him look better on TV? Will they gain or lose in value having covered the first dude's ass? herm

"Make no mistake - conservatism didn't lose this election"

The hell it didn't. Not surprising that conservatives would try to spin it that way, though. This was a referendum on 8 years of Bush style conservatism, and it was crushed. Deal with it.

Yeah no skull f*(%&$#^

"kamikazees(sic) and orange crushes."

Posted by MURPHY

They just never get it.

Hint: "orange crushes" = "fruity little drinks"

Bush was not a conservative--he expanded gov't, over spent, failed to rein in spending or the debt or the deficit.

And Null--Prop 8 passed here in CA--and those same folks voted for Obama.

Obama won because Bush was so bad and the economy collasped.

Zat--does it matter if you chase the fruity drinks with a beer?

"Bush was not a conservative--"

Bullshit. He was a conservative hero when he was popular, and then you clowns called him a liberal when his popularity declined. Fucking dishonest hypocrites.

My late mother-in-law was in Germany at the end of WWII. She was invited to the meeting between the Americans and Russians because she could drink Russians under the table and ride well in a polo match the next morning. She liked her Scotch neat.

These conservatives like Murphy are such treacherous pieces of shit. They were hailing Bush as a new "Ronald Reagan" 5 years ago. Now they're throwing him under the bus.

No Null--he was a conservative during his run as TX Gov for two terms.

He lost his way and so did the other Repubs that voted for spending bullshit when they were running the congress.

But don't worry--you ain't seen nothing about spending until you see what the Dems will spend--forget pay as you go crapola too.

Who called him a liberal? Moderate is the word you're looking for. Unless he's the first liberal to move off the reservation and start a war.

"Conservativism didn't lose. "

You get dizzy spinning like that?

And Null I didn't vote for Bush--I voted for Gore.

As for his legacy--we'll have to see --he did liberate 50 million people from death and tyranny.

Saddam is gone. It cost plenty in blood and treasure.

"chase the fruity drinks with a beer?"

(Gags; Pours more Maker's Mark.)

I like to chase fine Cognac with a Pilsner Urquell from time to time.

You get dizzy spinning like that?

#64 | Posted by nullifidian

Never run to the left. Republicans did and look what it did for them.

And Null I didn't vote for Bush--I voted for Gore.

Posted by MURPHYat 2008-11-10 08:33 PM | Reply | Flag: LOSER

Conservatism did not lose. The Repubs lost.

And Bush is not a liberal--though people call him a radical liberator.

"Bush was not a conservative--he expanded gov't, over spent, failed to rein in spending or the debt or the deficit."

True.

Reagan was not a conservative--he expanded gov't, over spent, failed to rein in spending or the debt or the deficit.

Also true.

Now Carter and Clinton ...

I saw Tony Perkins and Grover Norquist on CNN last week after they had met with a bunch of conservatives to discuss the future of the Republican party. They concluded that the party had gotten too moderate recently and that was its downfall. They pledged to regain a Republican majority in the future by being truly conservative in all matters from here on out. Later, I saw the recently ousted Christopher Shays in an interview, and he said an attempt to exclude moderates from the party, to make the Republican party a smaller tent in the future, would cause the party to go the way of the dinosaur (or words to that effect).

Fuck Carter.

OOHRAH:

Nope. Bush's brand of 'compassionate conservatism' only won in 2004 due to terror fear. He'd done little to help curb spending, etc.

Or show compassion. Vetoing SCHIPS while handing out billions to his corporate buddies showed where his compassion lay.

That's why we lost in 2006 and 2008. And why we'll continue to lose until we return to conservative roots - smaller gov't, reduced spending, etc.

And drop the wedge social issues. All they do is divide America and make the GOP look like a bunch of heartless thugs all things tolled. Face it, they're only talking points rolled out every election anyway. The only way the GOP stands a chance in the future is to get away from social issues and back to fiscal conservatism. But, in light of the last 8 years they've blown the notion they're fiscally conservative out of the water for decades.

He was a conservative hero when he was popular, and then you clowns called him a liberal when his popularity declined.

The fact that he spent more money than most of us thought possible had nothing to do with it?

Ewwraw's full of shit, as usual.
Palin cost McCain the election.
Only after her selection did the poll numbers separate substantially. Of course, someone stupid and insane enough to think Rush Limbaugh imparts "wisdom" and "the holy spirit talked to me" can't be taken very seriously anyway.

Later, I saw the recently ousted Christopher Shays in an interview, and he said an attempt to exclude moderates from the party, to make the Republican party a smaller tent in the future, would cause the party to go the way of the dinosaur (or words to that effect).

GAL TUESDAY

They'd already done a good job of excluding moderates from the GOP. The right wing of the GOP needs to be thrown out onto Constitution Avenue. Only by restoring moderation will they ever stand a chance. No one likes a bully. Not even a large swath of Republicans who remember what a conservative really is - and it has nothing to do with abortion or gay marriage.

"Not at all, because conservatism didn't lose. "

The hell it didn't. Really existing conservatism, the way conservatives govern while in office, got pummeled.

Newt has the best ideas--

And drop the wedge social issues. All they do is divide America and make the GOP look like a bunch of heartless thugs all things tolled. Face it, they're only talking points rolled out every election anyway.

I am sick of it too AU. However, it has worked in the past.

But, in light of the last 8 years they've blown the notion they're fiscally conservative out of the water for decades.

That depends on how Obama and the dems behave in the next 4-8 years.

The great right-wing fraud to repudiate George W. Bush

" The great fraud being perpetrated in our political discourse is the concerted attempt by movement conservatives, now that the Bush presidency lay irreversibly in ruins, to repudiate George Bush by claiming that he is not, and never has been, a "real conservative." This con game is being perpetrated by the very same conservatives who -- when his presidency looked to be an epic success -- glorified George W. Bush, ensured both of his election victories, depicted him as the heroic Second Coming of Ronald Reagan, and celebrated him as the embodiment of True Conservatism.

This fraud is as transparent as it is dishonest, yet there are signs that the media is nonetheless beginning to adopt this theme that there is some sort of epic and long-standing "Bush-conservative schism." But very little effort is required to see what a fraud that storyline is. "

I remember being in JFK airport as Pailin was introduced as his running mate on the TV's there in the terminal and thinking that ol' John had lost his frikin' mind.

Nope. Bush's brand of 'compassionate conservatism' only won in 2004 due to terror fear. He'd done little to help curb spending, etc.

That's why we lost in 2006 and 2008. And why we'll continue to lose until we return to conservative roots - smaller gov't, reduced spending, etc.

I think Republican lost in 2006 because of things like the run up to, and handling of, the Iraq war; Abramoff and Foley and various other Republican scandals. Also because of their stand on issues like Teri Schiavo and stem cell research. Bush was a conservative on those issues and on his appointment of judges. That said, the Democrats have picked up seats by running conservatives and moderates, IOW, by expanding their tent. How all this will affect the way they will govern in the next two years remains to be seen.

But don't worry--you ain't seen nothing about spending until you see what the Dems will spend--forget pay as you go crapola too.

#62 | Posted by MURPHY

Translation:

WE LOST!?!?!?
WAH!WAH!WAH!WAH!WAH!WAH!WAH!
WAH!WAH!WAH!WAH!WAH!
WAH!WAH!WAH!WAH!WAH!WAH!WAH!
WAH!WAH!WAH!WAH!WAH!
WAH!WAH!WAH!WAH!WAH!WAH!WAH!
WAH!WAH!WAH!WAH!WAH!

Grow a pair!

"Rush Limbaugh, November 8, 2006 (Bush approval rating -- 31%):

Liberalism didn't win anything yesterday; Republicanism lost. Conservatism was nowhere to be found except on the Democratic side. . . . Conservatism did not lose, Republicanism lost last night. Republicanism, being a political party first, rather than an ideological movement, is what lost last night.

Rush Limbaugh, July 7, 2004 (Bush approval rating -- 55%):

Reagan was right just as George W. Bush is today, and I really believe that if Reagan had been able he would have put his hand on Bush's shoulder and say to him, "Stay the course, George." I really believe that."

"I really believe that."

#86 | Posted by nullifidian "

Awww, that's just the oxycotin talkin'

I agree Oohrah--well posted.

"
Bob Novak, March 26, 2007 (Bush approval rating - 32%):

With nearly two years remaining in his presidency, Bush is alone. In half a century, I have not seen a president so isolated from his own party in Congress -- not Jimmy Carter, not even Richard Nixon as he faced impeachment.

Bob Novak, March 24, 2003 -- (Bush approval rating - 65%):

[Bush is] a president who may be more basically conservative than Ronald Reagan. "

OOHRAH

The image the GOP now has is as the party of fake social conservatism. Abortion, guns, and gay marriage. They've beat the public to death with it.

As was revealed during the Jack Abramhoff investigation, the focus on social issues was a ruse they used to rape the treasury. It's chronicled well on audio tapes the FBI recorded of various phone calls between Abramhoff, Tom Delay, Grover Norquist, and Gary Bowers. They're laughing at the gullibility of the Christian coalition in helping them with their schemes.

There have been emails leaked from the Office of Faith Based Initiatives in the White House where they're laughing at how gullible their 'Christian' constituency is. They played you all for fools to get your support, but only so they could rape the treasury of as much as possible while they had Republicans looking the other way thinking they were doing noble things.

Was there a serious effort at overturning Roe vs Wade during the 6 years of complete control? Nope. Was there a concerted effort to get as many dollars from the U.S. Government for them and their cronies using wedge issues as a drug to numb average Republicans while they did it? Absolutely.

After the disaster of the last 8 years - 6 of which the GOP had total control and went out of control - America isn't going to believe anything they say for a long, long time. You shouldn't either.

Null --you are showing the first term of Bush compared to the second.

Gal is right on the 2006 election--the corruption was bs and although the Dems had their problems--the media really shouted out the chants against the Repubs.

But Bush was doing pretty good in the first term--ergo he was re-elected.

He should have put the kabash on the spending and committed the surge right then and there--but he did not.--ergo low approval ratings.

That transferred to McCain and Palin is one of the future Repub players--if she chooses.

"That transferred to McCain and Palin is one of the future Repub players--if she chooses."

Run, Sarah, run!

"True conservatism wins out"

YEAH!

That's why Newt is being floated again as the new "conservative" sparticus ---- the very man who brought us the last decade of "conservatism"!

You fuckin' boobs just don't learn!

AU--the Repubs can't do it with just social issues--they need to get back to the conservative values and principles to be successful.

Smaller gov't, lower taxes,--

Heck I would like to see some populist ideas like flat tax for individuals and businesses.

We need to grow the economy and Obama will not be able to do this with his policies--they have been tried before and failed.

And he can do worse than Bush--just watch.

They are already voiding the drilling--the deficits will quadruple under the Dems. Because there aren't enough taxes to collect to pay for the shit they want.

Murphy,

Thanks for the Newt link. I used to read his old site all the time. I like to keep an eye on what that guy is saying. :-)

Big spending... corruption... scandal... those aren't in the cons playbook - at least not theoretically. Those things are what ushered in the 1994 turnabout. Then we became you. And over time lost our power. We deserved it and now must rethink how we go about governing.

OOHRAH

You should look at a chart of the national debt under various Presidents. Notice how the line spikes dramatically upwards during every Republican administration.

Red--

Newt brought in the Contract with America and took back the congress that was under the Dems for the prior 40 years.

The problem with Repubs is that they really did not know how to keep the majority. Or act like the majority with conservative principles in mind.

They started the pork spending just like the Dems had always done. They passed that drug program, heck Bush is spending 45 billion in Africa (the continent).

They started acting like Dems--and they lost!

AU--Newt is the one who got the balanced budgets passed and Clinton signed them.

That is conservatism.

"They started acting like Dems--and they lost!

#98 | Posted by MURPHY at 2008-11-10 09:12 PM | Reply | Flag:"

Keep believing that, Murphy. Purify your party. Purge all those moderates and liberals. Thank you.

The problems with the Contract On America Repubs, MURPHY, is that they were liars and thugs. Only having Clinton in there kept the house of cards from collapsing as it did once they had total control.

When they got the White House all hell broke loose. They took as much as they could get their hands on.

You want to point out a time between the end of WW2 and the current administration when Democrats were in control our debt is sinking us and the middle class hurt as much as they are right now? You can't find it because it didn't happen.

Thanks to W and Newt's boys we're paying out $500,000,000,000 a year just to keep our heads above water from the national debt. Now, ask yourself why the Fed has kept interest rates low. If they rise we'll soon be shelling out a TRILLION dollars a year to keep our heads above water.

AU--Newt is the one who got the balanced budgets passed and Clinton signed them.

That is conservatism.

#99 | Posted by MURPHY

Explain why exactly the opposite happened the minute they didn't have an opposition president. You can't.

The proof is our current fiscal situation. They promised the moon and struck America with an asteroid instead.

MURPHY

Look at the debt under presidents from both parties:

AU --did you read my posts?

They didn't follow their principles and spent money we didn't have instead of balancing the budget.

Just watch what happens when Obama is in charge with the Dems in charge of the congress. (the Senate still not decided but nearly 60).

And Newt left the congress and no one took charge on the Repub side.

Talk about promising the moon--Obama already took his promises off his website and telling people to lower their expectations.

Great link AU!!

And he can do worse than Bush--just watch.

They are already voiding the drilling--the deficits will quadruple under the Dems. Because there aren't enough taxes to collect to pay for the shit they want.

For the sake of the country, lets hope not Murphy, huh? Bush turned out to be far worse than I ever imagined he would be. I hope Obama turns out to be far better than you imagine. Again, I sure hope so for the sake of the country.

'But Bush was doing pretty good in the first term--ergo he was re-elected."

Just to beat a long dead horse just a bit more, Bush was never re-elected because he was never elected. And in no way, by no stretch, did he do "pretty good" with anything in his first term. herm

Hey Murphy, let us know when Palin starts a presidential exploratory committee. I'd like to send that stupid, McCarthyite bitch a contribution.
Thanks.

And Newt left the congress and no one took charge on the Repub side.

No one? Tom Delay will be mighty surprised to hear that.

Thanks, LISA. Proof positive.

We need to grow the economy and Obama will not be able to do this with his policies--they have been tried before and failed.

MURPHY

That's what they've said about every Democrat President since Franklin D Roosevelt. Gee, if we can only have the economy Clinton's policies built (scorned during the 1992 campaign) I'd be a happy camper.

If the Republicans only had to actually pay for the bill Newt GOP and W piled up they'd be at the White House with torches demanding his arrest.

"If the Republicans only had to actually pay for the bill Newt GOP and W piled up they'd be at the White House with torches demanding his arrest."

Ha! Very true.

And you're welcome!

Newt passed balanced budgets--how do you folks explain that?

And Delay started the ridiculous spending--and the catering overboard to special interests instead of principles.

And while we are talking about Delay, let us not forget his good buddy, Jack Abramoff, and all the havoc the two of them caused with the help of people like Ralph Reed, Grover Norquist and their weekly K Street meetings, gerimandering ploys, etc. Oh, yeah, and let us not forget Senator Bill Frist.

Gal--I hope and pray for the sake of the country Obama makes wise decisions.

Obama --it seems can do one of two things--

1) Govern from the left which will be disasterous for the country.

2) Govern from the center and the country will do better.

I am hoping for #2.

Newt passed balanced budgets--how do you folks explain that?

#112 | Posted by MURPHY

He had a President who both knew how to grow the economy and had a crack budget staff.

======

LISA,

What sick about that chart is it only goes through 2006. The red debt bars touch the stars in '07 and '08. I'll look for one that includes the last couple of years of W's administration.

MURPHY

Just curious ....

You said you voted for Gore in 2000. So, what about the prosperity and peace didn't you like that made you flip in 2004 and 2008?

Gal--I agree with your 114 post. There was too much catering and pandering and self dealing going on--crapola.

The Dems do the same thing with their favorite pimps.

They should change the congress to meet only 4 months out of the year and then go back to some other job at home.

Everytime they are in session it feels like the country is at risk.

2) Govern from the center and the country will do better.

I am hoping for #2.

Me too, and I'll be one of the loyal opposition within the Democratic party if he doesn't.

15 minutes to Greta and Palin. :-)

Can we agree at least that "the center" is about twenty yards left of where it is in your minds?

If we can agree on that obvious fact, then I'm all for governing from "the center".

Scroll down and look at this data table of many areas of fiscal management of government - GDP, Real Disposable Personal Income Growth, Employment gains per year, Average After-Tax Return on
Tangible Capital, Inflation, etc 1948-2001.

We know what happened after that.

"15 minutes to Greta and Palin. :-)"

And Murphy goes into heat.

MURPHY

Check out the data chart on income, GDP, unemployment, stock markets, et al I posted in #123.

It's glaringly obvious that Americans have done better under Democratic Presidents since WW2. Facts don't lie.

You know I don't know why they just don't do what I said. Sell Her the clothes for a Dollar an item. That way the Poor woman doesn't have to spend ungodly time sorting through the shit. I mean I always hated when My Mom was sorting clothes She took forever and then She bitched. Oh well Guess beings Alaska is soo far away I won't have to listen to it.

Larry

2004 --you are kidding about voting for Kerry --right?

The country was doing pretty good in 2004.

I have gone right of center and don't want my taxes raised--I like self reliance principles and the gov't needs to shrink and stop the spending.

The Dems have their hands all over the collaspe too--

Like I posted above--both parties pretty much suck.

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Obama has character issues with judgment and those will play out. He could change??

People have been known to change. Heck he may have just used Ayers and Wright and Rezko to get to the Illinois senate. He is not within their mindset--Obama used them! Ha!

And he is really a conservative in Dem clothing?? lol

The man voted 133 times "Present"--well he can't do that now. He also was on the floor in the US Senate and would not vote--like the denouncement of the Petraeous ad by moveon.org. He was there and did not vote.

Based on life experience--Obama appears to have trouble making decisions.

There are people who have trouble making decisions. I have run into them during the last 24 years working insurance claims. People who can't or won't make decisions won't make it in claims. No problem--they move to another profession.

Obama hasn't managed anything--he can have good people around him--but then who is making the decisions? Rahm?? Joe??

Just note for the future how long it takes Obama to make up his mind on stuff--not all stuff.

But then if he is vascillating--Pelosi and Reid will eat him up and run the country.

Murphy...quick...get to the tv....your savior Sarah is about to appear!

"Govern from the center and the country will do better."

The only problem who gets to define center. By any civilized definition O'Bama is center right, well right of dead center. The cretins who holler leftist at him probably will make great schreis anytime our next president does anything to improve the lot of real people. I say let 'em holler. herm

Murphy-
Thanks for the wounded screech. It's like music.

President Obama.

MURPHY

I can tell you're DWUIP (Drudging While Under the Influence of Palin) LOL

When that's over look at the charts and data tables I posted.

Murphy-
President Barack Hussein Obama.

Over your meek tirades and objections, the American people decisively elected a socialist muslim nazi who isn't even a real citizen and can only read from a teleprompter because he's not a thinker but is a thug.

How Sweet It IS!

Murphy's panting over Sarah! on Fixed News right now, Betel.

Nullifidian-
They don't really think that's a possibility, like ever...do they?

Murphy- How do you favor Palin 2012?

Hey anyone here have any power steering fluid?? I hear Alaska is in desperate need of some post haste. FedEx it pronto.

Larry

I don't know why some people think Palin is so hot. I'm watching her on Fixed News right now, and quite frankly, she looks like a rube. One generation removed from poor white trash.

She looks like a kismo doll. You know the big eyes and the outlandish hairdo. I swear.

GISMO NOT KISMO Sheeesh

Great interview!

Did you see that bear on the back of the couch in her office? Cool.

The happy warrior--the gossip rolls off her back.

Palin 2012!

Later gaters..

The happy warrior--the gossip rolls off her back.

That must be why she wears bunny boots. :-)

It was a fluff interview, but at least Palin spoke in complete sentences. Oh, so now she is a feminist again? Can't remember much of what she said except the funny line from Obama: "Good luck, but not too much."

"I have run into them during the last 24 years working insurance claims."

Well, now we know what drove Murphy round the bend. That's good to know.

Heck I would like to see some populist ideas like flat tax for individuals and businesses.

If by flat tax you mean that everyone pays the same percent of their income on taxesI would agree IF everyone pays the same percent of their income on all other gov't taxes and fees.

"Red--
Newt brought in the Contract with America and took back the congress that was under the Dems for the prior 40 years"

Yup, and because of him we are where we are today (lost).
See, newt ushered in the era of non-governance, his intent was solely in beating the opposition. His intent was never to govern, but only to beat democrats.

That's NOT conservatism (i.e. what we have today) and is why the "conservative" movement is devoid today of ideas and solutions (since their only objective was to vilify "liberals" and beat democrats)!

Some apparently are so dumb as to think a reanimated "contract" that was never fulfilled in the first is again the way back into power. and thier wrong.

It's amazing that after the election that Palin's clothes are still an issue. Is the left so ignorant that they think Obama's campaign spent nothing on image enhancement of their candidates?

Obama's "uh" stutter noticably abated towards the end of the campaign. I have a friend who is a speech therapist. We were talking about the campaign last week. She (an Obama supportor, BTW) told me that he definitely had a speech therapist working with him behind the scenes. She said that no one can drop that sort of affliction (I think she called it a "hesitational stutter") that quickly without professional help. I wonder how much that speech therapist cost? My guess is that a good one who presumably was working solely with Obama cost much more than Palin's clothes.

At any rate, the election is over. Why the fuck are there people still fretting over Palin's wardrobe? Why does anyone think that money spent on image enhancement is verboten?

And how much did Obama spend to hide his past in the "Closet"?? Way more than Palins clothes!!

This is what he needs to get out of the "Closet"

(a) a certified copy of "vault" (original long version) birth certificate

(b) certified copies of all reissued and sealed birth certificates in the names Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Obama, Barack Dunham and Barry Dunham

(c) a certified copy Certification of Citizenship

(d) a certified copy Oath of Allegiance taken upon age of maturity

(e) certified copies of admission forms for Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard Law School

(f) certified copies of any court orders or legal documents changing his name from Barry Soetoro.

"Those are the RNC's clothes. They're not my clothes. I never forced anybody to buy anything."

Sounds like the Stevens defense. That said, the whole thing was embarassing but not significant. And if you read the whole article, her take on the election is very plausible.

And exactly who is your source for all of this "insider" information? Sounds like Rush spin to me.