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Wisgod? Why hold back now?

Let it OUT, dude!

This is same person who said 'American would never elect a person of color'.

I guess Barack Obama and 54% of the voters proved him wrong.

This is a good thing and a sign of good things to come.

Here's the deal.

The Right are notorious for avoiding real diplomacy.

One of the rights favorite tactics is to insist on deal breaking pre-conditions that ensure that the other side will balk and allow the rethugs to state "Well, we tried Diplomacy but them guys didn't even wanna talk". (TM)

Is old trick.

Very stale.

Like trying to sit down with the Palestinians but only if they agree before sitting down that they will never be allowed anything resembling real autonomy.

It part of the reason why the US and Israel have allowed the thirty plus year occupation of Palestine to continue as it has.

Obama freshness and personal cachet has given him a second chance to make ammends for past mistakes on the world stage. Like in the wake of 9/11 when the world genuinely felt sympathy for the US and possibilities for real political change were rife. Unforunately, back then Bush took the political capitol engendered by 9/11 and parleyed it into a pair of unpopular wars which have since shamed the country while bankrupting it.

The solution fer peace in the ME is obvious.

First. Make peace between the Palestinians and the Israelis.

America has the clout to do so.

It's just never had the balls to make it happen.

Second. Quit interfering egregiously with the governments in the region.

The 1979 coup in Iran was the direct result of America's support of a torture-happy, secret police-luffing asshole of a dictator.

The AQ was the direct result of the CIA supporting the prototypes of the AQ and the Taliban in an effort to give the Russians "Their Vietnam"

That kinda shiat has to be acknowledged and stopped.

It's not a matter of Obama sitting down "without pre-consitions" as the Rtarded talking point likes to state. There are always prenegotiations and preconditions leading up to the talks between the big boys. That's a farking given, people.

The real question is will the new admon under Obama sit down in good faith with trhe people of these regions without deal breaking pre-conditions that scuttle talks before they occur.

Talking points are largely fake questions based on unsupportable premises.

Learning the real questions and then asking them (LOUDLY if neccessary) is the real answer.

So sez Spud.

Spud has spake.

Be Well.

Congratulations and a good first step for Ahmadinejad. A hand extended out is always worth shaking.

Meanwhile back at the ranch.

"In Jerusalem, Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, a contender for prime minister in her country's elections, warned against any dialogue with Iran -- a first sign of Israeli disagreement with the incoming U.S. administration."

Sad, Sad Statement on the part of Israel though. They will attempt to use this to provoke GWB to attack before 1/20/08.

This can only mean that world peace is at hand.

Be Well.

Should be 09 ;)

Wisgod? Why hold back now?

Let it OUT, dude!

#3 | Posted by SamBarber

Damn it, I giving him the benefit of the doubt.

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#1 | Posted by dylanfan

I didn't think that...

But, i do think it's a great idea to talk to Iran!

I hope Obama does it within the first 100 days.

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#1 | Posted by dylanfan

I didn't think that..

But you did.

How interesting.

The solution fer peace in the ME is obvious.

First. Make peace between the Palestinians and the Israelis.

Spud has spake.

Be Well.

#5 | Posted by dethspud

What a great ideal, why didn't anyone else think of that? sheesh.

here's what amanasshole's speech said;

You farging icehole, you are son of mogrel dog. I keel you. Thank you very much for winning your election. I look forward to killing you very much more than mccain. You run faster in front of my persian sword of justice. you are only black white man.

have nice day you flea-bitten infidel.

Right. We know that Islam is not ideologically impelled to try to subdue non-Islamics and subordinate them to Islam, and impose sharia law on the populations of the world.

We also know that Americans were not attacked during the pacifist Carter administration. Oops. The American embassy was seized and ... Well, those things don't count. And the Islamics were not really really unappreciative of Carter's help in ousting the Shah and installing their regime. It's just that we don't understand that seizing the embassy was the Islamic way of extending a hand of friendship.

And the bombings of American embassies with Iranian funding during the Clinton administration were simply efforts to get our attention so that we could be friends.

We know that there are no conflicts of interest in the world.

We know because pacifists told us so.

We get it.

Er, we know that low or is it high, oil prices are to everyone's benefit. Th ere are no conflicts of interest.

And if the Iranians believe that it is their sacred duty to subdue or subjugate us as non-Islamics, well what is there to negotiate. The pace of concessions to them, or what?

I play backgammon online with Iranians. 99.9% of them have no beef with the U.S. and would like diplomatic relations.

Ahmadinejad is only Mayor of Iran. He holds no power outside their borders.

Look for former Iranian President Khatami to get involved. He attempted to reach out to Bush after a big struggle within the Assembly of Experts - the ruling body of Iran. After gaining enough support, he wrote a letter to Bush offering an olive branch. When Bush spurned him outright the hardliners in the Assembly said, "see? we told you so", and they put Ahmadinejad in. Further, Khatami tried to get to speak to Bush a couple of years ago with another offer to help build bridges. Again, Bush rebuffed him.

Also recall that tens of thousands engaged in spontaneous shows of support throughout Iran after the attack on 9/11. Average Iranians do not hate us.

Ahmadinejad is Iran's version of George W Bush, but without power.

With the exception of Johnson's rant, I'll withdraw my sarcastic opening comment. Most of you have proven me wrong. Thank you.

Johnson, wtf? you are talking about a fringe element of islam. every muslim does not want to force you to convert.

although, you could probably do well with the praying 5 times a day part.

even allah would be like, 'uh, johnson, could you pick it up here, i gotten meet up with the mo man down in indonesia...so if you could just get on with it...,love your praying by the way, but i need to scoot'....

Johnson, Johnson, Johnson,
Head hangs low and shakes :(

Ahmadinejad congratulated Obama?

Quick, somebody find a ball gag to use on RightIsRight and BushLoverTwo...

We also know that Americans were not attacked during the pacifist Carter administration. Oops.

As compared to say, under Reagan? kaboops. Reagan got along well with the Iranians-sold them weapons, paid them to delay the hostage release and set up 300 marines for them to practice suicide bombings on. Carter lost no hostages. Bush can't say the same. Carter lost what 20 or so troops? How many did Bush lose on 9-11, not to mention his debacles in Iraq and afghanistan?

We could also mention 9-11, but that was Bush and Johnson's buddies the saudistanis, so those 3000 deaths don't count...

Does Flops have the stones for a pre-emptive strike on Iran's nukes? I doubt it. Barry is still afraid of Joe the Plumber.

What do You want fwthom?? More enemies that hate the United States?? At this rate we will not have a friend one in the world. Is THAT what You want/desire??

Larry

From the Spud post:

The solution fer peace in the ME is obvious.
First. Make peace between the Palestinians and the Israelis.

***Guess you have a short memory. This was tried under about every president since the advent of Israel itself and they all failed. Carter and the nice handshake between Arafat and Begin. Clinton and his Wye River accords (***Which lead to the infatada) Not to mention Regan and Bush 1.

It was only under Bush 2 that we decided that the Palastinians were terriorist and not to negotiate with...so I guess we are back to the failed policies of Carter and Clinton.******

America has the clout to do so. ***Nope sorry...America does not have the ability to change the hearts of terriorists. We only have the power to stop those hearts from beating****

It's just never had the balls to make it happen.
*** As proven above...we tried and failed and tried and failed and tried and failed. Because negotiating with liars is a worthless exersize***

Second. Quit interfering egregiously with the governments in the region. The 1979 coup in Iran was the direct result of America's support of a torture-happy, secret police-luffing asshole of a dictator.

**** Bullshit. It was a direct result of Jimmy Carter backing off support from the Iranian Government and allowing the Soviets to fund insurection in that country. Read your history.****

The AQ was the direct result of the CIA supporting the prototypes of the AQ and the Taliban in an effort to give the Russians "Their Vietnam"

*** Actually partially agree with this. Had we funded Afganistan infrastructure improvements after the soviets pulled out AQ may have not found a stronghold. However, going in and supporting the Afganies to kick out the Soviets was the right thing to do. The follow up is where we screwed the pooch****

It's not a matter of Obama sitting down "without pre-consitions" as the Rtarded talking point likes to state.

**** Well OBO DID state he would sit down WITHOUT preconditions..you are trying to say that logically that would not happen. That is giving him credit for logic that he does not belive in. He believes you can talk and they will all come to an agreement. Just like Chamberlin. ****

**** Well you got him in and voted for him. Lets see what the cult of personality gives us over the next 4 years...My bet is impeachment in year 3 ******

"Just like Chamberlin."

Oh my God, we're back to the idiotic "appeasement" accusation. What territory has Obama ceded to the Iranians???? I think you probably need a little education on the meaning of the word.

"Does Flops have the stones for a pre-emptive strike on Iran's nukes?"

Dunno, but he showed great stones yesterday to name a pretty hardliner jewish chief of staff giving himself credibility when he demands justice for the palestinians.

Nixon had credibility as a hardliner and used it to open up relations with China.

Watch Obama do the same thing with the mideast.

Bet on it!

A step in the correct direction.

It would seem the way to cool down the build up of arms and tempting war crys is to become friendly with both states, Iran and israel.

It is humorous to see the few war mongering neorighties push the entire idea of war in answer to any conflict even when it is no threat to us.

What is interesting is israel is really of NO NATIONAL BEST INTEREST for the United States. Israel has very little trade value, production value, or any other economic value with us other than to cost our country billions of dollars.

And thinking about this, the only reason our politicians continue to support israel is return of money, but the real question is how the money is returned. Behind closed doors.

Money,

The reason we support Israel is due to: 1) They are a peaceful Democracy inside the middle east (There has not been one time since the 1948 founding of Israel that they have been the agressors - they have only retaliated) 2) They protect land that his holy to two of the major religions on this earth 3)Our moral obligation - as well as the rest of the west - to make amends for the virtual removal of the Jewish nation from the planet during the Nazi occupation of Europe.

Do we give them money - Yep..we also give money to the Palistinians.

"They protect land that his holy to two of the major religions on this earth"

Don't you mean three?

well of course he does..he might have a partner in eradicating israel........why wouldnt he like barry?

and there was a pic in the paper yesterday that showed an iranian man in the street putting on an obama button on his shirt........

so what if we have to do something to keep them from getting the bomb and obama actually DOES something about it..
will he throw that pin away????

and what will the little guy in the 1970's suit think then?????

"Nixon had credibility as a hardliner and used it to open up relations with China.

Watch Obama do the same thing with the mideast.

Bet on it!"

#24 | Posted by Custer

Obama has credibility as a community organizer which should help a lot. LOL.

"Iran's president congratulates Obama" They were hoping for a push over and they got their wish!

FREDDYK: You are either kidding or plain stupid!

Uhm, Oozie, I think the LOL should have tipped you off. Sharp as a tack there swifty.

oh please dont start my day off this way sananton

reading a logical comment from you isnt the way to start a weekend

and oh yeah before I forget....LOL

I can hardly wait to blame old flop ears for everything hurricanes , inflation, taxes, hemorrhoids, like dems did Bush, yes Bush sucked, but you have set the stage, damn first day after elections stock market goes down more than after any election.. stupid Obama stupid Obama you piece of shit for causing this!!!!

"I can hardly wait to blame old flop ears for everything hurricanes , inflation, taxes, hemorrhoids, like dems did Bush, yes Bush sucked, but you have set the stage, damn first day after elections stock market goes down more than after any election.. stupid Obama stupid Obama you piece of shit for causing this!!!!"

Nothing like a logical, restrained response to losing the election.

"Nothing like a logical, restrained response to losing the election."

At least he's not advocating revolution. A popular theme on many sites I visit.

Nothing like a logical, restrained response to losing the election.

#36 | Posted by dylanfan

You mean like millions of dems responses after both Bush wins?

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Obama will be having pajama and wife-swapping parties very soon. Let's face it. Ahmadinejad and Obama have similar policy stances.

Let's face it. Ahmadinejad and Obama have similar policy stances.

#39 | Posted by utastaff

Why don't you go ahead and post a comprehensive list of them here you dim bulb.

You mean like millions of dems responses after both Bush wins?

You are getting the two victories mixed up.

The second Bush victory, people were upset as we knew exactly what we were getting. We didn't want continued wars that we knew would come with Bush win. We didn't want to continue with his financial policies that we knew were benefitting the rich and hurt the middle class.

And that one little thing with us being exactly right on these and ending up with the worst President of all time.

Don't ever forget, we were right. People that voted for Bush were wrong.

Does this mean America is no longer the great Satan? Or has Iran softened it to the little Satan?