Still too scared of Palin to put them on the other side of their country, also.

I hope some Pollock doesn't accidently light the fuse.

Dmitry does know the "sell by" date on those things expired like 25 years ago right? They are like a pitbull with lip... I mean, no teeth (it's been a long couple of months).

Dmitry ought to figure out where to spend his money-with oil down and the Russians getting used to the nicer things in life (like food and heat), he should prioritize on things that won't get him punted.

Looks like our new president elect is getting his first chalenge. My guess is he won't keep them there.

Why would he continue the failed policies of a disgraced administration?

Obama gets his first fastball, high and inside. Time to step back, knock the dirt out of his cleats, then spit into his hands and rub them together.

My own expert advice would be to not deploy the missle shield in Poland but offer it to the Russians for some of their goopy oil.

Forward Watching Thom

Putin just kicked sand on Obama's towel.

Why would he continue the failed policies of a disgraced administration?

#6 | Posted by Snark_Needleton

I guess you never got the word. We won the cold war. Is that your definition of 'faild policies'? It happend quite a while ago. Were you too young to remember?

"Putin just kicked sand on Obama's towel. "

Speaking of towels, I hear screechy Sarah like to greet Republican hotshots wearing nothing but a towel.

Obama gets his first fastball, high and inside.

maybe somebody should tell Putin and Thom the inaguration ain't for another couple of months...

"Were you too young to remember?

#9 | Posted by Sniper "

Reagan put missiles in Poland? Wow.

He's simply putting this out there so when they come to the table to talk, he'll have what he thinks is a bargaining chip.

Their just jealous we have actual elections that may change the way things are done here!

IWhy would he continue the failed policies of a disgraced administration?

In other words, you want to bow to the russians and not protect ourselves and our allies.

IWhy would he continue the failed policies of a disgraced administration?

In other words, you want to bow to the russians and not protect ourselves and our allies.

Obama said he would review every treaty Bush signed. In other words he would nullify them. Maybe the Russians see what a inexperienced, unqualified President we elected.

"In other words, you want to bow to the russians and not protect ourselves and our allies.

#15 | Posted by boaz"

Well, no. But do continue to spin wildly.

Yeah, in my dictionary "review" equals "nullify".
Dumbass.

Hmmm, seems the President elect will have to deal with this, yes indeed. But the initial response must come from W, isn't that correct? So, for all you members of the deposed, get on W's ass to make sure the right thing happens. We don't know what Obama will do in this instance and he really can't do anything while the cowboy is still in the oval office. If it makes you feel better to think that the man is going to fail before he's even entered the room, go ahead. You've still been rejected by the majority of the American people who, in Hannity logic, are anti-American. Hmmmmmm,

Welcome to the world as the Russians see it. And how they react to it. You would think that after even Belarus and the ex-USSR "stans" give them only grudging support they would change. Especially since they are doing so well with "economic diplomacy", now having Germany practically in their back pocket. But the KGB experience is just too hard for the Russian leadership to shake.

More post-cold war cold war shit. All posturing. Everything would go to hell if Russia shot one off, are they that whacked-out?

Polish joke for the 21st century:

How many polish does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

Answer: As many as the American who gives that order asks for...

I guess you never got the word. We won the cold war. Is that your definition of 'faild policies'? It happend quite a while ago. Were you too young to remember?

#9 | Posted by Sniper at 2008-11-05 05:03 PM

Yea I remember. I remember very well because I worked hard to do my part to win the cold war. I was a soldier in that war. Reagan lead us to victory.

Bush has worked very hard to lose it again. Until this election I have not been sure what side of the wall I ended up on.

The contrast between the Bush administration's dark vision and President Reagan's view of the nation as a shining city on a hill led the New York Times to ask whether we were still the country that challenged the Soviets to tear down the Berlin Wall or are we now a nation "that tortures human beings and then concocts legal sophistries to . . . avoid accountability"? This is not an esoteric legal debate, but rather a debate over what kind of nation we are. You do not need a law degree to answer the question as to whether our model of justice should be defined by the Constitution or by Soviet interrogation manuals.

Who we are as a nation is a vital component of our security, which is why the 9/11 Commission noted that "just as we did in the Cold War, we need to defend our ideals abroad vigorously [and show that] America does stand up for its values." It is a telling fact that today in Germany -- the epicenter of the Cold War -- both Russia and China are viewed more favorably than the United States.

W's legacy... it'd be funny if I didn't live about two hours from the Polish border.

After reading the article, I have to ask. WHAT is wrong with them putting missiles on THEIR OWN BORDER (their own soil)?

Who cares? We have our missiles all over the world. If the Russians want to put some on their own territory, why should it matter? They can reach ANYWHERE they want to, regardless of where the missiles are kept.

Seems like a lot hype about nothing.

or a simple warning to GW to behave hisselves:>)

commonsense is dead on - this is a big "who cares". The shield can't stop the missiles whether they are near Poland or in Novosibirsk in the middle of nowhere. Frankly I am not sure why they want a missile shield anyway, its not like Iran would launch their one and only nuke and hope it hits and hope they are obliviated in response - its all BS.

But on topic, the repositioning has no effect whatsoever - and if this is their "price" for the US to have the missile shield, then who cares. It is not worth giving them anything so that they remove those missiles. Its not like they are in Cuba..

Tell me again why I give a flying fuck about Poland?

Oh, that's right I don't. We have plenty of problems right here at home to worry about. Time to start minding our own business, and get our own house in order.

Reagan put missiles in Poland? Wow.

#12 | Posted by Snark_Needleton

Who said that? You libs can't seem to stay focused on the subject. Anytime it goes south for you, you throw a pile of shit in.

More post-cold war cold war shit. All posturing. Everything would go to hell if Russia shot one off, are they that whacked-out?

#21 | Posted by Scrumplet

Why do you think they are the threat? More and more countries are getting S/S missiles and the real threat is the wackos out there getting their hands on them.

I don't understand how someone could feel threatened by a country having defensive missiles. It is nothing more than posturing by Russia. It is a test to see what we will do. Nothing more.

"I don't understand how someone could feel threatened by a country having defensive missiles."

Sniper are you really dumb or do you just act dumb to help your argument?

" Anytime it goes south for you, you throw a pile of shit in.

#29 | Posted by Sniper "

Comedy gold.

Sniper are you really dumb or do you just act dumb to help your argument?

#31 | Posted by slaryman

I guess I am. Explain to me how putting up a defense system is offensive to someone. If you can.

"Explain to me how putting up a defense system is offensive to someone."

Differing capabilities make nations nervous.

By your thought process.... Joe throws a punch at me and I block it. I am the bad guy for not letting him hit me in the face.

You are one fucked up person if you buy that.

"By your thought process.... Joe throws a punch at me and I block it."

The more correct analogy would be if I put up a huge wall...around YOUR house.

Or lets dispense with analogies and come right out with it.

First strike capability without (assuming the missile shield works) retaliation. Make ya nervous much?

It would make me nervous. Its a good thing we do not have to rely on your military genius snipes.

"""I don't understand how someone could feel threatened by a country having defensive missiles."""

Than keep your "defensive" missiles at home. Or at the very least, come out and say that it's a strategic deployment to reign in all of Europe and curtail the soviets...that Iran thing is a just too fucking ridiculous to even be funny.

In all honesty, how would you feel if russia put missiles in Canada and Mexico, alongside the U.S. borders? No so cool, right? Man, you guys just about started ww3 over cuba, at least be consistent in your position and arguments.

The Russian people have had a long history of driving off invaders. That has turned them into a somewhat paranoid nation. Despite our goals of making this a system to stop terrorist attacks, they think we are doing it to weaken them (i.e. the shield would be able to destroy a certain percentage of their missiles tilting the balance of nuclear power more to the west).

Since our goal is to be able to shoot down wackos' missiles, we should just deploy a system that can only shoot down a small number of missiles. Just enough to defeat a terrorist, but not so much as to make a significant dent in Russia's capability. Hopefully, then they won't see it as such a threat.

""" Despite our goals of making this a system to stop terrorist attacks,....Hopefully, then they won't see it as such a threat."""

Hopefully you're not that naive.

First strike capability without (assuming the missile shield works) retaliation. Make ya nervous much?

#37 | Posted by slaryman

Not if you think you are going to get a bunch of virgins when you die. We haven't been able to stop the suicid bombers yet, what nakes you think threating them with death will do it.

OK I get it snipes you actually are dumb.

I believe we were talking about why Russia would feel threatened by the missile shield, yes?

#40 | Posted by panchovilla

Pancho, are you saying I'm wrong about the U.S.'s true purpose of the system, or that I'm wrong about the ability to field something the Russians won't see as a threat?

Frosty, you really think terrorist getting ICBM's is a credible threat? Seriously?

sal, look at the map amd see what the range would have to be for a missile.

I said before, Russia dosen't realy see this as a threat, it is a test of the US president and congress. The threat is from the wackos in the middle east.

If Europe doesn't response, why should the US?

Do you actually think our National Security is threatened? Do you think it is more so than England's or Germany's?

If Europe ain't crying about it, then we must take the road of non-interventionalist.

Bring our troops home and create US bases across the SE. Illegals can try to cross US Military Bases instead.

pet, I don't know why we defend europe. They seem to hate us for it. I think we should close all our bases there and tell them to fend for themselves.

I guess it is a guilt carryover from standing by as Germany overran all of Europe in the 30s.

"I think we should close all our bases there and tell them to fend for themselves."

Smartest thing I have seen you write.

*sigh* I truly hope Obama doesn't select any of you in any foreign relations capacity.

What all of Europe knows is that this is merely the U.S. repaying favors in Europe in a minimum cost way. Eastern Europe wants some feel-good symbols. And that's all this missile shield is.

Everyone knows there isn't anything anyone could do to stop Russia if it decided to invade or shoot missiles at any European country. And Russia knows the missile shield poses no threat to it.

On Russia's side, they are playing a game with Western Europe, trying to extract economic concessions for not escalating the situation.

All of Eastern Europe has not yet gotten over being occupied by Russia during the Cold War. Especially with Russia making threats to recreate the USSR. Russia, on the other hand, doesn't want any of those countries feeling too independent of it. And the tap-dancing continues.

It is interesting how people are aware of Russia's feelings about being invaded by various countries over the centuries. And how there is seemingly a total lack of awareness of how Eastern European countries feel about being occupied by Russia over the centuries.

You are right FYI, in that all of this is touchy feelly crap.

But I guess my point (if anyone really cares) is why at this juncture do we want to agitate the bear? Seems to me that we would do better to have a friendly relationship with Russia rather than falling back on some antiquated cold war mentality.