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Tuesday, November 04, 2008

Rogers Cadenhead: When I voted at 7:10 a.m. this morning in St. Johns County, Florida, my right to vote was challenged because a poll worker decided my signature did not match my driver's license signature. I was given an "Affadavit of Elector When Signature is Different" form to sign and was going to be given a provisional ballot, but I objected to that decision, telling the worker that I've been voting at the same precinct with the same address for a decade and they were "abrogating my right to vote."

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So what happened?

nevermind, i suppose i could have read the article. I might suggest next time that you don't write like a chicken with an ink-pen strapped to his leg.

I'm glad the poll workers were doing their job. This clown couldn't even sign his name right and was probably working for ACORN.

fwthom I look forward to you slipping up again and getting suspended.

the supreme court ruled that voting is not a right provided by the constitution. voting is controlled by the stats.. please spend a little time learning history and something about government.

osdir.com

Supreme Court's ruling in Bush v. Gore last December, nothing was more important than the Court's insistence that the people still have "no federal constitutional right to vote." We (the people) have only the voting privileges our states choose to grant us. If the Florida legislature wishes to select presidential electors without public input, the people shall not stand in the way.

This may be a conservative reading of the Constitution, but it is black-letter law. True, the Constitution contains specific, hard-won language in the 15th and 19th Amendments that forbids discrimination in voting on the basis of race or sex. But these prohibitions don't establish a universal right to vote. Thus, Congress cannot selectively disenfranchise women in the District of Columbia but can, and does, render all of its residents voiceless in Congress by denying them representation in the House and Senate.

On what legal grounds could Florida have denied my right to vote today, KC 101? I am who I said I was. I live where I'm registered to vote.

voter suppression in full effect. I would have gone a step further and posted the poll workers picture on the blog with a caption that says "Don't let this person take away your civil rights"

If Obama and the Dems win this election we need to fix our election system so that it can no longer be used by either party to benefit themselves. We also need to enact harsh penalties for anyone conspiring to alter the results of an election. Somehow politics has to be removed from the Justice Dept.

Yes, its sad that because of a few bad acorns, honest people must suffer. Meanwhile in philly:

townhall.com

"On what legal grounds could Florida have denied my right to vote today, KC 101?"

I'm not familiar with Florida law, but I DO KNOW that states which have a constitutional right to vote CAN deny a right to vote in certain circumstances. For instance...are you a convicted felon? Remember, the United States Constitution only forbids denying voting rights in those states which HAVE constitutional voting rights on the basis of race, color or previous condition of servitude. Later amendments prohibited denying women and 18-year olds voting rights.

I might be wrong but I thought the 4th Amendment, Issue 1 states that no state can make or enforce laws that stops a citizen from voting.

Of course that's paraphrased and again...someone correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks.

For instance...are you a convicted felon?

Nope. I was acquitted. And the sheep was none the worse for wear.

Rcade - I take it you did vote.
But why didn't you vote early?
Just asking.

"I might be wrong but I thought the 4th Amendment, Issue 1 states that no state can make or enforce laws that stops a citizen from voting."

Think about it. Some states deny the vote to felons. Some states require a valid picture ID in order to vote. The Supreme Court has recently ruled that the states can do that. The U.S. Constitution has nothing saying citizens have a right to vote. It says the president is elected by electors appointed by the states....remember the Electoral College? The states didn't ALWAYS appoint the electors on the basis of citizens' poplar vote. Some states have recently discussed dividing the electors based on vote percentages instead of winner-take-all.

The Constition merely says that states appointing electors by citizens' votes can't deny those citizens their vote based on race, color, sex, or age 18 and above. Remember, the states that have a constitutional right to vote could amend their state constitutions and go back to just appointing their electors to the Electoral College. Not feasible, but possible.

But why didn't you vote early?

I always take my kids with me to vote on Election Day, and we make a big deal out of it. I didn't want to miss out on that experience.

(This year, we had to caution them not to electioneer -- they are fired up about Obama.)

Thanks Jestgettingalong!

Cool, Rcade, I'm glad they are - and they'll need to keep fired up so he can feel we are with him while he at least tries to pull us out of the crap.

Nope. I was acquitted. And the sheep was none the worse for wear.

#12 | Posted by rcade

FF for rcade!!! woo-hoo.

Underachiever!!!!

What scares me is how many would have just said "okay" and taken the provisional ballot which is often not counted.

In my precinct the workers could barely see or hear me they are so old. Twice I had to point to my name in the voter roll.

When I went to vote around 7:30 this morning, there was an Obama attorney sitting at a table in the middle of the room watching everyone. I knew he was an Obama attorney because he had a large binder out on the table, which faced the voters, and was open to a page that had a huge Obama '08 logo on it. This was clearly visible from the line I was standing in to vote. I asked him whether he should have that out and he made some lame excuse about the requirement that he identify himself as an attorney. I called the county election commission and they said this is considered electioneering, and that they are sending the police and referring him to the district attorney for prosecution.

Good for you Joe.

Joe you are truly reprehensible. He wasn't doing anything wrong. You just can't stand that your corrupt candidate is going to lose.

Yes, its sad that because of a few bad acorns, honest people must suffer. Meanwhile in philly:
YEAH!

And in other Townhall news:

Just 24 hours left before "conservatives" will be jailed, all babies will be mandated to be aborted, the stock market will crash, every working American fired, every small business closed, eating vegetables will be mandatory, guns will be collected, Spanish will be the official language, Islam the official religion and fuel prices will rise from the historic lows present during the Bush administration.

We know already joecid!

Joe you are truly reprehensible. He wasn't doing anything wrong.
Posted by rastaninja

Come on. You know better than that.

He wasn't doing anything wrong.

Yes he was. Electioneering (activity intended to influence voters) is illegal. The term is construed extremely liberally inside polling places and anything that even resembles it should be stopped. The county board of elections agrees with me and disagrees with you. Hopefully he will be criminally charged.

You just can't stand that your corrupt candidate is going to lose.

My candidate is Bob Barr, who I have known will lose all along. Face it, you'd shit a brick if some McCain lawyer was doing this at an inner city polling place.

"I called the county election commission and they said this is considered electioneering, and that they are sending the police and referring him to the district attorney for prosecution."

So what's the incident/referral number? Obviously there is an incident number anytime there is a "referral" by law enforcement, and, since you were a witness, you have a record of that in your possession!



Good for you Joe!

I hope that bastard gets fined and/or jailed. Hopefully he's seen wearing a big 'O' button while he's being escorted to the police car in cuffs.

"(Electioneering) is construed extremely liberally inside polling places and anything that even resembles it should be stopped. "

Joe is right, and they poll worker absolutely wrong. Instead of an Obama sticker, it should have said "ATTORNEY". Any political signage inside a polling place is forbidden.

"So what's the incident/referral number?"

I didn't call the police - I called the county election commission who said that they will be calling the police and the district attorney's office. Contact the Cook County Clerk's office if you want the referral number.

Hopefully he's seen wearing a big 'O' button while he's being escorted to the police car in cuffs.

#27 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

Unless he chooses to make a scene, that won't happen. He will simply be asked to leave the premises. They may possibly allow him to stay if he removes the offending identification.

There will be no prosecution unless he makes a further ass of himself.

Electioneering (activity intended to influence voters) is illegal. The term is construed extremely liberally inside polling places and anything that even resembles it should be stopped.

I agree with you that electioneering is wrong, but the most that should happen to that attorney is to make him obscure the "Obama '08" logo. The suggestion he should be criminally prosecuted for so minor an infraction is harsh.

But he's a lawyer, so he can take care of himself no doubt.

"the most that should happen to that attorney is to make him obscure the "Obama '08" logo."

Says who? As an attorney and a pollwatcher, he most likely knows the election law and part of his job is to make sure the very thing he's doing doesn't happen. I say prosecute him - hopefully the police agree.

"I hope that bastard gets fined and/or jailed."

Would you feel the same way if he was displaying a McCain/Palin logo?

For the record, I agree with calling him on it and calling the election commission.

"Would you feel the same way if he was displaying a McCain/Palin logo?"

#33 | Posted by jpw

Another retard links dislike of Obama to support for McCain.


"I say prosecute him - hopefully the police agree"

Except you will never know if the police are even involved --- since in your extreme outrage you neglected to get any information or give testimony to such!

I mean how many of you all would witness something so egregious (apparently) and not demand an incident number so you had the ability to follow up and make sure the law is upheld!

Why didn't you do that --- were you to busy?

I'll be calling the election commission later to follow up, and if necessary, the police. How predictable that you'd choose to attack me instead of address the issue of whether what that attorney did was wrong.

Face it, you'd shit a brick if some McCain lawyer was doing this at an inner city polling place.

#25 | Posted by JOE

This morning at my poll, someone had "accidentally" left a McCain/Palin flyer on the registration table. I asked if I could remove it which I did. I have to agree with Joe, this attorney should know better.

How predictable that you'd choose to attack me instead of address the issue of whether what that attorney did was wrong.

#36 | Posted by JOE


Noboday said what he did wasn't wrong. But, as disappointing as it may be for you, he will NOT receive the death penalty for his offense.

"Another retard links dislike of Obama to support for McCain."

Not at all. Simple question that required a simple answer (which, apparently, is yes?).

SAR-

How is your post a response to what you quoted? Are you aware my post was directed toward RVille?

This morning at my poll, someone had "accidentally" left a McCain/Palin flyer on the registration table.

I find it weird that so many people try cheesy stunts at election time, like that accident and all of the sign stealing. The privacy of the voting booth and the integrity of the process are important to me, and I'd feel that way no matter how many times my side lost.

"Another retard"

Speaking of retard ---- why would someone so visibly upset about evident electioneering not demand their testimony taken and a record generated so they could follow up?

"I'll be calling the election commission later to follow up, and if necessary, the police. How predictable that you'd choose to attack me instead of address the issue of whether what that attorney did was wrong."
#36 | Posted by JOE at 2008-11-04 12:11 PM |


Why am I attacking you? Because your online outrage doesn't match what normally an pysicaly outraged person does.
I would have called everyone, including the local news organizations and not left until the police arrived and my testimony was recorded.

Apparently someone somewhere simply being on the other end of a phone was assurance enough for joe and thus rendered this horrible crime addressed!

You are full of shit! You didn't see this, you didn't call anyone --- this is entirely of your own imagination and the retards are lining up to give their congrats to a factitious story told by an outright liar!

Because its pretty much a given that what he did was wrong. The real question is how egregious the offense actually was. Unless he was actively electioneering, the Board of Elections will do nothing more than ask him to remove the Obama identification, or they may ask him to leave. As long as he complies there isn't going to be any arrest or prosecution.

My comment was intended to point out that, unless you didn't tell the whole story in your post, your outrage seems rather exaggerated, given the extent of the offense.

I just heard Rush Limbaugh lying on the air (I know, huge surprise). He is claiming that the final battle ground poll shows Obama up only 1%.

This is a lie. The final battle ground poll shows Obama up 8%. You can see it at www.realclearpolitics.com. I am going to email Rush and call his fat ass out on this. I urge you to do the same.

ElRushbo@eibnet.com

"I would have called everyone, including the local news organizations and not left until the police arrived and my testimony was recorded."

That's because you're a fucking loser. I had to get to work.

"Because its pretty much a given that what he did was wrong."

My post was directed to RVille who has said nothing about whether what he did was wrong. If you think what he did was wrong that's great - stay out of it then.

"this is entirely of your own imagination"

I'm guessing that nothing short of video documentation accompanied by a notarized affidavit would be enough to make you believe that the story happened. What would an "incident number" do for you - you can't look that up online. Do you want me to make one up?

"stay out of it then.

#46 | Posted by JOE"


Sorry, but I'm pretty sure you don't make the rules around here and I'll comment when and where I choose. Thank you.

"Not at all. Simple question that required a simple answer (which, apparently, is yes?)."

#39 | Posted by jpw

I think that the only thing worse than an Obama presidency would be a McCain/Palin presidency.

That said, I'm surrounded by Obama supporters (friends/family/coworkers) who just annoy the hell out of me, so no, I wouldn't feel the same way if it was a McCain/Palin logo.

"this is entirely of your own imagination and the retards are lining up to give their congrats to a factitious story told by an outright liar!"

#42 | Posted by Redneckville

I'm not sure if you believe Joe's story is false or "factitious," but

Speaking of retard

Uh, nevermind...

I don't know. I followed the link and looked at that form.

It couldn't be RCade. He must have been a phony. RCade would have known the current year.

Whoever filled out the form didn't even know it's 2008. Looks like they were writing 19XX.

There needs to be an investigation...

Heh. At the point I began filling that out I was trying hard not to lose my shit and yell at anybody. I also filled out the "born in" question with Florida, when I'm from Texas.

"That's because you're a fucking loser. I had to get to work.

#45 | Posted by JOE The Mouth

Spoken by a loser whose Losertarian Party will win jack shit today. Looooooooooosers.

That's right, Null Set. The true measure of whether one should support a political party is how much power they have. Heil Obama!

I also filled out the "born in" question with Florida, when I'm from Texas.

Hey, ya can't really be blamed fer that.

If Spud was from Texas he wouldn't readily admit to the fact either.

Not a shot at you, more a shot over yer bow and right onto BLT's deck.

Be Well.

/Yes, Spud is on an anti-Texas tear today.
//Thanx fer askin'.

"That's because you're a fucking loser. I had to get to work."
#45 | Posted by JOE at 2008-11-04 12:27 PM

So now you are sayin' wasn't that Big of a Deal for you after all.

My boss would understand. Maybe im just more important than you are!

"So now you are sayin' wasn't that Big of a Deal for you after all."

When did I say it was ever a big enough deal to miss work? Does that mean it didn't happen?

"My boss would understand. Maybe im just more important than you are!"

Right - because when your presence is needed, you are somehow less important? How does that work?

At least they didn't threaten you with nightsticks.

Nothing worst than some douchebag trying to pretend he's some kind of public watchdog and calling the authorities about every little stupid thing. There is standing up for your rights, and then there is actively searching for a reason to be offended and jumping up and down when you find something...anything.

Sorry Kevin - I've never called the authorities about anything in my life. I just don't appreciate anything that even resembles an attempt to intimidate voters or suggest that you are being watched by a particular campaign inside a polling place. It's illegal for a reason - if the guy didn't do anything wrong, nothing will happen to him. I appreciate your concern for our democracy.

My boss would understand. Maybe im just more important than you are!

#57 | Posted by Redneckville

As long as you were done pulling tits and cleaning up the stalls.

As long as you were done pulling tits

Well, they removed him from those duties. He apparently took that job a little too far.....

Well, they removed him from those duties. He apparently took that job a little too far.....

#63 | Posted by eberly

Utterly unbelieveable.

Rcade's experience was a minor abuse of power:

On October 21, 1996, John O'Hara was indicted by the DA in Brooklyn, NY, on seven felony counts deemed false registration and illegal voting. The first count was when he registered to vote in 1992. Count two was that the address on my registration was not my "principal and permanent residence" the language of a bizarre New York State law. The remaining five counts were the votes he cast in each of the elections and primaries over the following year. Each count was a class E felony carrying a penalty of one to four years in prison. He did not vote twice in the same day, nor did he vote from a sham address.

He faced 28 years in prison for voting. The last felony case to be successfully prosecuted in New York for false registration and illegal voting took place in 1873, it was Susan B. Anthony.
The genesis of his alleged crime was that in 1992 he registered to vote and voted from hisy ex-girlfriend's house in Brooklyn, fourteen blocks from where he lived.

Every check, credit card slip, tax return for the past 20 years was examined by the Brooklyn DA. His apartment, campaign headquarters, and relatives houses were put under surveillance.

You might wonder why he was targeted in this Kafkaesque manner? The explanation is not much different than why prosecutors are targeting Obama campaign staffers in Ohio: to suppress political activity.

On September 10, 1996, in New York State, voting machines were delivered late throughout "selected" polling places in Brooklyn. This was no accident and tens of thousands of people were denied their right to vote. The late machines affected the outcome of a judicial race. When O'Hara saw what happened he filed an action in federal court and got the election continued. Party bosses subsequently got the US Court of Appeals to cancel the continuation before the polls ever opened.

O'Hara and his attorneys planned an emergency application to the U.S. Supreme Court when he was suddenly indicted and arrested for illegal voting. It worked. When you are in lockup waiting to be arraigned on seven felony counts, your priorities quickly change.

The case of People v. O'Hara spiraled into one of the most expensive criminal cases in New York history. He was tried three times on the same charge. The first trial was reversed on appeal, the second trial resulted in a hung jury, and in the third trial he was convicted (again). What followed were more than a dozen appeals. Never before had there been a criminal prosecution where someone had to swear to one residence, past and future.

Excerpted from Counterpunch, John Kennedy O'Hara is still a disbarred lawyer and convicted felon living in Brooklyn, and has applied for a pardon from New York Governor David Paterson. His on-line petition to the governor's office can be found at freejohnohara.com

As long as you were done pulling tits and cleaning up the stalls.

#62 | Posted by wisgod at 2008-11-04 02:44 PM

YEAH!

Like there is supposed to be shame in that!

So goes the party of Hard Werk I guess!


#63 | Posted by eberly

Why did you run away from this eb?


www.drudge.com

Why did you run away from this eb?


Didn't know it was there. I left to go vote. However, I responded.

Though my signature has grown progressively worse over time -- millions of mouse clicks have been hell on my mad cursive skills -- it's clear to me that poll workers in this county are being told to apply strong scrutiny to signatures. This seems excessive to me when the state requires a driver's license to vote, and I had my license and voter's registration card with me. Eight years ago a worker also challenged my signature, but another worker told him he was wrong. Individual votes in Florida were a pretty big deal that time around.

Excessive and obsessive, RCade. I'm glad you hung in there and insisted on your right to vote. I bet a lot of people would not have been as tenacious as you were. Nor would most people have a blog or political site at their disposal to record their experiences.

BTW, it's nice that you take your kids with you to the polls. Good on you.

Everyone should have to show the deed to the property they own. If only property owners could vote we would get an intelligent result. Renters are generally irresponsible idiots.

I know you are probably kidding, but just in case you aren't, what makes you think renters don't have a right to representative government? P.S. a lot of property owners are morons, see the housing crisis for details.

how much are you paying in rent fwthom?


When I went to vote around 7:30 this morning, there was an Obama attorney sitting at a table in the middle of the room watching everyone. I knew he was an Obama attorney because he had a large binder out on the table, which faced the voters, and was open to a page that had a huge Obama '08 logo on it. This was clearly visible from the line I was standing in to vote. I asked him whether he should have that out and he made some lame excuse about the requirement that he identify himself as an attorney. I called the county election commission and they said this is considered electioneering, and that they are sending the police and referring him to the district attorney for prosecution.

#20 | Posted by JOE at 2008-11-04 11:06 AM |


what a fucking snitch. you got beat up in school, didn't you?

I can't match JOE's story, HILLBILLY, but I was fortunate enough to enter the voting place behind a woman with a fantastic ass in a tight pair of jeans. So I got that goin' for me...

that makes the wait a whole lot better.

Oohrah you got so sexually aroused I hope she made you vote for Obama?

Everyone should have to show the deed to the property they own. If only property owners could vote we would get an intelligent result. Renters are generally irresponsible idiots.

Great FWTHOM - and if you rent property to one you get two votes, right?

"Oohrah you got so sexually aroused I hope she made you vote for Obama?" - SIT

Well, I did notice my pole-ing rise. Too bad we weren't in that proposed nude voting hall. Now that would have kept me there for quite a while.

SITDOWN,

I would be willing to give renters 3/5ths of a vote each, but the owner would cast it for him.

Should not have happened.

I suspect that it was "an excess of caution" on the part of the poll worker rather than part of any conspiracy to suppress voting..

re: Fingerprinting of all registered voters.

Bad idea I would probably not register if that was a requirement.

By the way, I have never been arrested or even investigated (that I am aware of) for any crime and I am "in the system" due to military service.

726

If you are upset by the age and infirmity of the poll workers perhaps you should volunteer during the next election.

How many of you took the time to thank the poll workers for their efforts at your polling place?

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