None of this "conditions on the ground dictate" bullshit that Dubya, Obama and McCain love as a loophole. Out by 2011. Will we comply? When they ask us to leave, we'll leave...right?

I propose we move that schedule up to janurary 2009.

Giving Bush the old purple finger.

Actually this is a gift to the next president. The troops can't stay.
Unless Cindi Mccadaver is willing to fund the war because the US Treasury can't.

Michelle won't. And until Nieman-Marcus opens an outlet mall in Falluja, Appalin won't either.

And just what will be done about the mufti-billion dollar bases spotted around the country side?

Will they just be abandoned?

So much for McAint's 100 year war.
Does this make Iraqis Defeatocrats?

"And just what will be done about the mufti-billion dollar bases spotted around the country side?"

Time-share gated communities for Iranian holidaymakers?

FF for Doc_Sarvis

So the troops can't stay in Iraq? So, we won the war. Right?

Americans are going to have to become accoustomed to a very hard fact of life----Most wars don't end all that well.

So were shlepping along to some sort of conclusion in Iraq. And that's all it is, a conclusion.

And just what will be done about the mufti-billion dollar bases spotted around the country side?

Hope springs eternal...the amendments are about combat troops having a firm withdrawl deadline, the US will, under the terms of the pact, maintain a South Korea like presence at least until 2020 on those very bases, subject to requests for help from the Iraqi government. Besides the 2011 deadline for combat troop withdrawl, the amendments also request a commitment that the US will not attack neighboring countries from those bases without Iraqi approval, a clearer definition of "duty" as it relates to whether actions by US forces off base are a crime and the right of Iraq to inspect shipments made to the US bases.

Those Iraqis better hope and pray that Obama is elected - between McThusaleh's love of Bush policy and Palin's belief that the war is "God's will", we may never get out of there if the Rethugs win.

"Hope springs eternal...."

So, it's a victory in Iraq if we get to have bases there? Jesus wept. But at least it's the concrete benchmark Bush the Magnificent never would offer.

Zed-

What's the matter, not enough violence Iraq in the headlines for you? By the tenor of your posts lately, its almost as if you, troofy, mpaths and danni miss the days where you could point to the death tolls and gloat about the failures in Iraq.

Now that things are stablizing in Iraq, they actually are getting their act together and taking control of their country, it's getting harder to find things to bitch about, isn't it.

Just wait until Obama becomes President and then nothing changes...

you misunderstood me ROC. my point has always been iraq is not worth the cost. we have created a country that will work against our interests.

to the tune of bankrupting our nation.

and who will crumble from civil war in five years time after we leave.

so we need to leave and let them get on with it.

i'm serious too. the only reason america is there is oil. either admit we are there and getting our soldiers mamed and killed for oil or get the fuck out.

the only reason america is there is oil. either admit we are there and getting our soldiers mamed and killed for oil...

Thanks Mr Obvious.

the only reason america is there is oil. either admit we are there and getting our soldiers mamed and killed for oil...

Thanks Mr Obvious.

Yes indeed and worth a hard cry.

We sank so low.....

The biggest crimes of 911 stop on 1/20/09

We sank so low.....

The biggest crimes of 911 stop on 1/20/09

How long have you been crying?

How long have our troops been in the ME? I'm not equating Iraq to everything done in the ME over the last 35 years but we have put soldiers in harms way for decades for the purpose of maintaining an oil supply to this nation. Most would agree that a stable supply of oil is essential to national security.

Who are these little brown people to give the masters of the universe orders?

They must think it's their country.

RIGHTOCENTER

Don't worry about me. There's nothing wrong that recouping one trillion dollars from Iraq won't cure. If you want to really make me happy, cure those 20,000 head-injured soldiers who came back from war.

That's great Iraq is stabilizing. Yes, and only after six years of war and perhaps not beyond the point we and the Saudis stop paying off the opposition.

Hooray. Let's all drink beer and get drunk.

Bush's War

What a fucking tragedy.

Where are the flowers? No gratitude, for killing a million, destroying the infrastructure, and driving the 4 million Iraqis that could afford it to leave. And that's just Iraq.

Not satisfied with fucking up Iraq, BushCo has destroyed bigger fish, our country and then the world.

Goddam Defeatist Iraqis want to cut and run. Why can't they acknowledge The Surge's (TM) success?

--The Right--

How long have our troops been in the ME? I'm not equating Iraq to everything done in the ME over the last 35 years but we have put soldiers in harms way for decades for the purpose of maintaining an oil supply to this nation. Most would agree that a stable supply of oil is essential to national security.

An OohRah by any other name would smell as sweet.

And just what will be done about the mufti-billion dollar bases spotted around the country side?

Will they just be abandoned?

#5 | Posted by keith204

They could end up our bases in Saudi after we left there--a "gift" to the Iraqi government.

The "conditions on the ground" are still a player. If things fall apart between now and then, the Iraqi government could change its mind and amend the treaty to change the withdrawal date.

"And just what will be done about the mufti-billion dollar bases spotted around the country side?

Will they just be abandoned?"

Yes, but the redistribution of wealth from the American taxpayer to the war profiteers who built those embassies has been completed so its not like this is a waste.

Most would agree that a stable supply of oil is essential to national security.

#21 | Posted by eberly

You think I am stating the obvious? Obvious to whom? Most of the people that blog here are way above average intelligence (I know that is sad and scary but true).

It may be obvious to us but to the other 300 million people in the US it is a total fucking mystery and a curse word to even think it much less utter the words.

BTW, I do not agree it is a matter of national security. It is only a hedge against what is inevitable anyway, that oil is running out and we need a replacement.

"Most would agree that a stable supply of oil is essential to national security."

You would have a very hard time convincing me that the war in Iraq has done anything towards making our oil supply more stable. If anything, it has created uncertainty.

zap,

I would say cheap oil is essential to our standard of living. kiss that goodbye now.

i want a pony and that ain't gonna happen either...