Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Saturday, October 25, 2008

The religious conservative activist group Focus on the Family has sent a letter predicting dire changes to American society and the world at large if Barack Obama is elected president. Among the predictions: terrorist attacks in America, Russian tanks in Eastern Europe, a nuclear bomb in Israel, gay marriage in every state and the end of the Boy Scouts as we know it.

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The Right WIngers are just a bunch of drizzling shitters nothing more. They know that they have lost every God damned argument out there and now are trying to cling to their faux Biblical principles because of their fear of change. Bunch of God Damned Bullshit if You ask Me.

Larry

Other predictions on the list of the ways life in American as we know it will come to an end include instituting a national healthcare system that will result in "long lines for surgery and no access to hospitals for people over 80." In addition, one group has launched a series of online videos entitled "7 Reasons Barack Obama is not a Christian."

Larry,

It looks like some in the Christian right are living up to the moniker McCain gave them back in 2000: "agents of intolerance." I wonder if McCain and Palin will distance themselves from these folks now?

Hell No they will embrace them because that is the base. McCalamity sold His soul and now is polluted to the very core. He once had courage and conviction now all He is is a shell of His former self. Sad really.

Larry

One would think these evangelicals would be embarrassed seeing this kind of article in the paper.

I am also trying to figure out why they are trying so hard to recruit people to their faith and the same time character slashing the very society they are trying to supposed help

I am also trying to figure our why people think there would be long lines for surgery.

If that were the case, it would suggest that those same people who would be in line are people who need surgery now but just are not getting it.

Sounds like real church going christ followers there, don't let those without money have access to medicine, they won't come to God type mentality.


Christian Right Places the Fear Card

If God wanted McCain to win, he would be ahead in the polls.

I don't think God gives a rat's ass WHO the President of the US is.
He doesn't have a dog in this hunt.

He's at the very least-a foreign National-and doesn't have the right to vote here.

But-you jeebus freaks keep pretending he's gonna interfere with our free will. (Something the Bible says he doesn't do, BTW).....

Despite the bigotry spewed in this thread, this is material from Focus on the Family -- a fringe group that speaks only for itself.

To use this as a paintbrush for all Conservative Christians is like saying all Liberals are represented by Earth First and NOW.

Christian Right Places the Fear Card - and the liberal left play the race card - politics, go figure.

The trouble with Your thesis about Focus on the Family about it being just their message is that it's the message of a lot of the Christian Right. The Christian Right by and large has condemned the Democrats especially the Liberal Democrats as being agents of satan to worshipping the Devil to all sorts of bad things. Hell the Christian Right thinks they have cornered the market on what a Christian is supposed to be. Remember the Moral Majority the Party of Christian Responsibility. You name it Pat Robertson Jerry Fallwell Jimmie Swaggart Oral Roberts Dr James Dobson. They may be different people but their message is of the same cloth. Conservative Christians rock and Liberals are not. Same shit just different "Sancuary"

Larry

Some on the right say the Boy Scouts will be abolished; others claim homosexual scout leaders will be hired and allowed to "sleep in tents with young boys."

Micheal Jackson is gonna become a scout master if Obama is elelcted?!?!?

They're not only gonna legalise gay marriage they are gonna make it mandatory?

And religulous wingnuts are actually buying into this nonsense?

Wow, just wow.

Guess this goes to prove that if you can believe in an allogorical book as being one of literal truth you can pretty much believe in anything.

Focus of the Funding fuckers are fearmongering fascists.

Reject the fearmongering of the retarded right.

Embrace the hope-mongering of the liberal left.

Reject dumb and immoral.

Embrace smart and moral.

Life is choice.

Choose well.

G08ama.

Be Well.

and the liberal left play the race card

~No MSG

No, the left refute the race baiting and outright racism sometimes evinced by morons on the right.

Not quite the same thing.

Or are you still buying into this "anytime anyone sez anything bad about Obama the left sez they are a racist" meme that been going around like a bad flu?

Cos that's bullshit.

Pointing out the existence of actual racists on the right like Rush "Obama=Man-child" Limbaugh and the xenophobia/racism exascerbating qualities inherent in the whole "Obama is a secret Muslim/Arab/terrorsit/
nonAmerican/Marxist" whispering email campaign along with the odious fearmongering robo-call shenanigans is not, by any stretch of the imagination, racism.

It's simply the truth.

Be Well.

What you doin up Spud?

What you doin up Spud?

Meh, it's only 11:37 onna left coast.

Spud was up till like 3 or 4 last night.

Best band in Canada?

That one's easy.

The Tragically Hip.

"2.50 fer an eyeball and a buck and a half fer an ear"

"Happy hour, happy hour, happy hour, is here"

Little Bones

Be Well.

Happy hour is as hour does...I'm a night owl that has to get up a the crack of dawn.

I'm a night owl that has to get up a the crack of dawn.

Spud is same same.

"Nothing's dead down here... it's just a li'l tired."

No luff fer the Sarah Silverman vid?

Tsk tsk.

Spud's off to gameworld.

Be Well.

/As he do
stage left.

Even worse, I am starting another job that makes me get up even earlier.

FUCK 5o'clock

Remember the Moral Majority the Party of Christian Responsibility. You name it Pat Robertson Jerry Fallwell Jimmie Swaggart Oral Roberts Dr James Dobson .... blah, blah, blah, blah

#11 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2008-10-25 02:10 AM | Reply

Larry, you retard, it's all the same little club. A handful of VERY LOUD people claiming to speak for all Christians.

I know that bigots like you desperately want to lump together all Christians but the fact is that it is not true. Sorry.

My point still stands. These clowns speak only for themselves.

If those clowns only speak for themselves then pray tell why do they have so many followers then?? You guys on the Right lamented about Obama staying in that Church for 20 Years when Rev Wright was speaking. Then tell Me why would the followers of the Christian Right teleevangelists still support them??

Larry

Despite the bigotry spewed in this thread, this is material from Focus on the Family -- a fringe group that speaks only for itself.


To use this as a paintbrush for all Conservative Christians is like saying all Liberals are represented by Earth First and NOW.

I agree with your second point but not with your first point. Although they do not speak for all conservative Christians, Focus on the Family is not a fringe group. Dobson interviewed Palin just this week. Here is an excerpt:

During the interview, broadcast Wednesday, Palin took another shot at the "mainstream media" -- which apparently in her mind doesn't include Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, James Dobson, et. al. "I have to have that faith that God's going to help us get that message out there," Palin said.

Dobson gushed: "My goodness, if our audience is any indication, they're getting it. There are millions of people praying for you and for Sen. McCain. It's always risky to kind of politicize your prayer life, but there are issues here that are more important to me than my life."

newsweek.washingtonpost.com

Off to vote early!

Posted by Zatoichi at 2008-10-25 09:44 AM | Reply

I beat You by 2 days. bwhahahah early My ass. You're late.

larry

Dobson is an American evangelical Christian and chairman of the board of Focus on the Family, a nonprofit organization he founded in 1977. . . . As part of his role in the organization, he produces the daily radio program Focus on the Family, which is broadcast in more than a dozen languages and on over 7,000 stations worldwide, and heard daily by more than 220 million people in 164 countries, according to the organization's own statements. Focus on the Family is also carried by about 60 U.S. television stations daily. He founded the Family Research Council in 1981. He is an evangelical Christian with conservative views on theology and politics. He has been referred to as "the nation's most influential evangelical leader" by Time magazine, and Slate has termed him the successor to evangelical leaders Billy Graham, Jerry Falwell, and Pat Robertson.

en.wikipedia.org

Dobson on Palin pick:

Focus on the Family Action founder and chairman James C. Dobson, Ph.D., issued the following statement today after learning that Sen. John McCain, the presumptive GOP presidential nominee, had selected Sarah Palin as his vice-presidential running mate.

Dr. Dobson will further discuss McCain's pick tonight at 9 p.m. ET on Fox News Channel's Hannity & Colmes.

"Sen. McCain's selection of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is an outstanding choice that should be extremely reassuring to the conservative base of his party. She is a strong executive who hates corruption and puts principle above politics. After floating the names of Tom Ridge and Sen. Joe Lieberman in recent weeks selections that would have created consternation among pro-family Republicans Sen. McCain has chosen a solid conservative who has a reputation for espousing common sense."

www.citizenlink.org

"#23 | Posted by LarryMohr"

Drove a couple hundred miles and got my vote in yesterday. Insisted on a paper ballot.

When one of the ladies at the courthouse deposited in a metal box I said, "Well, no shreddinng sound. I guess that means it counts."

"For now," she smiled.

We always have paper ballots here. You have to fill in that bubble thingy like we had in school. No computers here.

Larry

Off to vote early!

#22 | Posted by Zatoichi

And often I hope!

No computers here.


Larry

#27 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2008-10-25 10:13 AM

why would they have computers in kansas? y'all still believe the world is flat!

ah this is a funny one
the right is playing a paranoia card........

so what about the announcment this week IN FLORIDA that mccain will tax and lower social security.....
the SAME OLD DEM BULLSHIT ATTACK AND FEAR LINE they used in 2000 and 2004 and WHICH NEVER HAPPENED

good one boys, keep trying

If those clowns only speak for themselves then pray tell why do they have so many followers then??

#20 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2008-10-25 07:47 AM | Reply

Larry, they don't have a lot of followers, you stupid fat fuck. They havea a relative handful of followers.

You can find a small number of passionate followers for any psychotic group, including Earth First and the National Organization of Bitches.

You'd think they'd lay off the predictions till they at least get that Rapture thing right. I guess they can't help themselves but they must be quite an embarrassment to "real" Christians.

"Other predictions on the list of the ways life in American as we know it will come to an end include instituting a national healthcare system that will result in 'long lines for surgery.' "

All else aside, I actually am concerned about this.. we have other models to look toward such as Canada and England.. someone please explain why we should not be concerned that government run healthcare will be a nightmare? Ever been to a VA hospital? Well intentioned ideas, ruined by bureaucracy and incompetence are not unknown or even unlikely.

The trio of Obama, Pelosi, and Reid does not lend confidence against governmental over-reaching in these areas. We're going to see (this has been promised by all of them) the private ballot for union elections abolished, making a return to thug union days quite possible, increased taxes on corporations and high income earners, which ALWAYS results in job losses and lowered government income, and in these days, will just mean more business going to other countries.

The other area that's at play is abortion. Abortion has become the sacrament of the liberal cause, and Obama is not just pro choice, he is pro abortion, opposing even the most benign restrictions including that of protecting the life of a surviving infant from a botched abortion. And that is not right wing hype, despite the Obama campaign's protestations to the contrary. Unfortunately for Senator Obama, there's a public record on that, and despite his best efforts to spin it, the facts remain clear. He opposed, and opposed vigorously legislation that would protect such an infant. Playing the "I'm just a law professor" card and there was a technical artgument there doesn't clear it. He is an abortion advocate to the extreme.

Since this thread's initial subject was the "Christian right" let me throw this in... its been often said that people get the government they deserve.. using a biblical analogy, the old testament gives many examples of God's wrath.. one of the worst punishments he inflicted, several times, was to just "give them over to their own lusts and desires. " .

I really can't figure out exactly what the average Obama voter wants.. OK, they're upset with the Republican party, as am I. But per polling data, most Americans do not believe in wealth redistribution, most believe in God, most do not want government run health care, do not want government funded abortions, and do not want socialism.

If those are true, then why are they supporting Obama? McCain has his issues for (I didn't support him in the primary) but there are more centric democrats much more qualified to be president than Obama.

I hope not, but am afraid, we're about to get the "government we deserve" under an Obama, Reid, Pelosi rule, and if so, its not going to be pleasant for anyone, liberal or conservative.

Christian Right plays the paranoia card?

James Carville has already warned us that "it would be very, very, very dramatic out there" if Obama loses. Carville said, "A lot of Democrats would have a great deal of angst and anger."

This from the "tolerant" left. Can't even hold elections without going all Rodney King.

I'd rather have the devil I know, then the devil I don't. At least the bullshit is more predictable.

"some Thai whore in Bankok that I refused.
#35 | Posted by vernon"

You reflose, Bermin, onny when I terr you I can no wait arr night fa you to stop praying plocket poo you can fine that ritto minno in yer pant an ret him come out to pray.
Bangkok Barbie

And I term you. Gal Tuesday, as the successor to some Thai whore in Bankok that I refused.


What a stupid twat you are. Who gives a flying fuck what some asshole posted about Dobson? You have no argument of your own? You stupid whore. Nothing but a lame-ass reference?

#35 | Posted by vernon at 2008-10-25 11:35 AM |

rants the "man" who claims to be a "christian"!

eventually, you hypocrites show your true colors.

"Bankok"

Oops, Vermin, wasted again.
What time zone are you in today?
On which planet?
No problem.
For you, it's always 5 o'clock somewhere.
Have a nice day, turd blossom.


ah this is a funny one
the right is playing a paranoia card........


so what about the announcment this week IN FLORIDA that mccain will tax and lower social security.....
the SAME OLD DEM BULLSHIT ATTACK AND FEAR LINE they used in 2000 and 2004 and WHICH NEVER HAPPENED


good one boys, keep trying

#31 | Posted by bushlovertwo at 2008-10-25 11:18 AM | R


oh look! drinkey the band teacher has snapped out of his tequilla induced black out.

You reflose, Bermin, onny when I terr you I can no wait arr night fa you to stop praying plocket poo you can fine that ritto minno in yer pant an ret him come out to pray.
Bangkok Barbie

#38 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2008-10-25 11:46 AM | Reply

Some kind of drunken blather .... is this in English?

its sarcasm, god boy. go pray for a sense of humor.

Vernon needs to take some metamucil. Then He would feel "Regular" again.

Larry

Some kind of drunken blather .... is this in English?
#42 | Posted by vernon


Ask Bangkok Barbie of "Bankok," you pathetic old pantload. Speaking of pantloads, Vermin, it's about time you begged a few coppers off your Chinese masters and invested in a second pair of Depends.

Vermin's just pissed because Jesus tossed one his ancestors out of the Temple.

But that was a long time ago.

In "Bankok."

You have no argument of your own?

~Vermin

Actually, Spud finds that not only does Gal Tuesday have plenty of good arguments but she tends to back them up and support them with solid references.

If you've read the entire thread you'd find that out readily enuff.

Now you, on the other hand, Vermin, traditionally have no argument. No game at all. As small as yer debating skills are they dwarf yer sense of decorum by a huge margin as yer lack of class is practically total.

Spud's only question after reading yer last post was whether to flag it 'offensive' or 'abusive'. Seeing as Spud is still working on his first cuppa cofee this day ya got an 'abusive'.

Larry, they don't have a lot of followers, you stupid fat fuck. They havea a relative handful of followers.

You can find a small number of passionate followers for any psychotic group, including Earth First and the National Organization of Bitches

Are you fucking kidding, Vermin?

Rtards know that their natural base of "the haves and the have mores" aint enuff to beat Ron Paul or the Alaskan Independence Party at the polls so they have cynically wooed the religious right who now make up the vast majority of wot's left of the right wing base.

They've done this by cynically making the top of their divisive, socially regressive agenda the prevention of gay folks from enjoying their equal rights under the law and by trying to force women back into their previous role as property of men.

They are also disingenuous, cowardly sacks of shit who cower behind the code-word "family" cos they don't wanna call themselves "Religious Whackjobs, Wingnuts and Control Freaks of America" which would be a far more honest title.

If you really want to vote a family values ticket you pretty much gotta vote Dem this time out.

McCain is rage-fueled, foul mouthed, habitually cheating senile sack of shit who's proven himself to be utterly corrupt and Scary Failin is a whackjob of the highest order with a history of abusing her office and her family in her quest fer personal power.

The Christian right will continue to be a drag on America's moral evolution until asswipes like these shitheels at Focus on the Funding are seen as the disruptive, divisive, and morally wrong jerks they really are.

Spud can certainly see why Vermin has an affinity fer 'em.

Laws yes.

Be Well.

/Tater o' doom, taking the blog-stage by storm and obviously taking no prisoners before coffee #2, and entering the DR as always
stage left.

Some on the right say the Boy Scouts will be abolished; others claim homosexual scout leaders will be hired and allowed to "sleep in tents with young boys."

Clear message as always from these people.

You reflose, Bermin, onny when I terr you I can no wait arr night fa you to stop praying plocket poo you can fine that ritto minno in yer pant an ret him come out to pray.
Bangkok Barbie

#38 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2008-10-25 11:46 AM | Reply

This is still English from some drunken slob, terrified of having to deal with another culture

what a fucking loser

The religious right is afraid of the abolition of the Boyscouts because those guys may never have sex again if that comes to pass!

what a fucking loser
#50 | Posted by vernon at 2008-10-25 12:02 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)Come_To_Jeebus_Self-
Realization_Moment

I'll give the nut jobs one thing only. That being things will change. After all, how much worse can Obama be that Bush". Secondly that paranoia is their stock in trade. They are trading their minds for complete breaks with reality.

There is certainly truth in the belief that the new president will be challenged. They always are sooner or later. Whether Obama or McCain is elected there will be some attempt to shake him up.

Bombs in Israel? The fact that such a thing hasn't already happened is surprising to me. That such an event may come in the next presidential session will hardly be a surprise.

Russia invading Europe is laughable. They aren't that stupid. France is very much a nuclear power as is Great Britain (less great?). They will not sit still for an invasion. Nor would the US.

The Conservative Christian Right makes the term "Paranoid" less dramatic. They can and likely will do moore craziness before the election is decided.

Vernon needs to take some metamucil. Then He would feel "Regular" again.

Larry

#44 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2008-10-25 11:52 AM | Reply

Just like Drunk_Sarvis, Larry hss absolutely nothing to say. please bless us with another "Yawnnnnnnnnnnn" you loser turd

Vermin, as I warmed you those many years ago: Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son. And look where it's led you. But look on the bright side: No talent spent, no talent wasted.
~Dean Wormer

Speaking of paranoia and the religious right...

Here's the deal.

A lot of these fundy whackjobs believe seriously in an 'end of days' scenario.

Spud's big fear is that a 'true believer' might get their hands on the levers of power in DC and end up launching missiles in a fucked up attempt to let their zany idea of wot Revelations means lead to a self fullfilling prophecy of doom.

The fact that people can't seem to get elected in the US without evincing some sort of belief in these types of thing is terrifying to many folks in the more rational parts of the world.

Terrifying and, admittedly, more than a little funny.

Spud's got an odd sense of humour.

Be Well.

/Ever talk to a fundy about why they believe in the end of days? Mostly they talk about 'signs'. Wot kind of signs?, asks Spud. There are wars and rumours of wars and big storms and such they say. Uh-huh, sez Spud, are you aware that in the entire history of man there have always been wars and rumours of wars and big storms? If God really wanted to pick a realisitic sign why couldn't he pick global peace and an absence of storms as the signs du jour? Oh, cos then nobody would ever believe they were living in the end of days.
//Gotcha.

oh look! drinkey the band teacher has snapped out of his tequilla induced black out.

#41 | Posted by hillbillydeluxe at 2008


bite me you digoted jerk...........you dont have a fuckin clue about me or my habits.........

well except maybe one

there is yet ANOTHER BIT titted bitch here in the library.........OOPS.....a large burly man just sat down beside her and looks to be 'related'.....better leave on that one....LOL

and let me repeat what happy said


I guess none of you heard carville warn the whole country that if obama DIDNT win.....that there would be real trouble..

and THATS not a scare tactic........please get fuckin real with your arguments

Not that it matters to some, but Christ Himself spoke of signs at the End of Days. However, He only specified one that was unambiguous, and that one was very definite indeed.

Fact is the vast majority of us won't know when the Last Days are here, just as we won't forsee the last day of our own lives. Those that guess correctly will not be believed.

I'd like to point out that if there is a big blowout in favor of Obama soon, that victory will not be carried by the "rational" atheists and agnostics. Especially not if he carries VA and NC.

SPUDSTER-The right also seems to forget that there is another line to that. When all the nations of the world are at war. (paraphrased the old memory ain't that good)

My mother told me of times during WWII when people were using the world maps to mark each world involved. They were all waiting for the last country to officially join in the fun. We must naturally exclude Switzerland as they were/are neutral. This statement is followed by all seeing it to cover their mouths and cough out 'bull shit" and not appear to do so. Subtle ain't we?

"I guess none of you heard carville ..."

Carville also said:

"The reason the Republicans found Joe the Plumber was to find someone hanging around a toilet other than Larry Craig."

"We must naturally exclude Switzerland as they were neutral...."

Nazi Germany out-sourced scads of war production to Switzerland. Eisenhower wanted to bomb their neutral asses.

The reason the Republicans found Joe the Plumber was to find someone hanging around a toilet other than Larry Craig."

#62 | Posted by truthsetyoufree


WELL IF HE DID........he stole it from leno....or was it letterman...........

so if he did, then he is also a thief besides a cobra headed dick

BE AFRAID!! BE VERY, VERY AFRAID, DAMMIT!! MUSLIMS! DRUGS! BOMBS! SEX! HOMOS! Dearest Good Gravy Jeezuz, please help deliver us from the filth below our divine asses.

And I term you. Gal Tuesday, as the successor to some Thai whore in Bankok that I refused.


What a stupid twat you are. Who gives a flying fuck what some asshole posted about Dobson? You have no argument of your own? You stupid whore. Nothing but a lame-ass reference?

After that outburst, I doubt many here will take your opinions on the true nature of conservative Christians--or anything else--very seriously.

And I term you. Gal Tuesday, as the successor to some Thai whore in Bankok that I refused.


Is your favorite song "One night I banged cock"?

After that outburst, I doubt many here will take your opinions on the true nature of conservative Christians--or anything else--very seriously.

Well, anything else with the exception of Bankok whores, which you seem to be an expert on. Go figure.

"Among the predictions: terrorist attacks in America"

The GOP presided over what is by far the biggest terrorist attack in our history and then attacked the wrong country and said the attackers were not a priority.

Why do these retards think the GOP is better than others are fighting terrorism when actual events indicate the opposite?

Well-considering all those Bangkok whores call him "Master" and not because he's always in charge-or knows what he's doing-his last name must be "Bates"...

Subtle ain't we?

~Keith

As Spud likes to say in realworld "suBtle with a capitol B"

After that outburst...

~Gal T

Hell, even before that outburst his opinion was valued around here about as highly as a mug of warm spit.

Well, anything else with the exception of Bankok whores, which you seem to be an expert on. Go figure.

Vern's actually kinda pissed at Bangkok whores these days cos they used to only charge him half price based on his size and the duration spent but since finding out wot an odious moron he is they always charge him double now.

^_^

Be Well.

I don't think God gives a rat's ass WHO the President of the US is.
He doesn't have a dog in this hunt.
He's at the very least-a foreign National-and doesn't have the right to vote here.
But-you jeebus freaks keep pretending he's gonna interfere with our free will. (Something the Bible says he doesn't do, BTW).....
#8 | Posted by frankf55 at 2008-10-25 01:20 AM | Reply | Flag:


Really? That's not what He said to His people.

Matthew 10:29 (New International Version)
29Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father.

If His eye is on the sparrow, you'd best believe He has a handle on everything.

See also, Isaiah 14:24
The LORD of hosts has sworn, "As I have planned, so shall it be, and as I have purposed, so shall it stand,

Daniel 2:20-22 (New International Version)
20 and said:
"Praise be to the name of God for ever and ever;
wisdom and power are his.
21 He changes times and seasons;
he sets up kings and deposes them.
He gives wisdom to the wise
and knowledge to the discerning.
22 He reveals deep and hidden things;
he knows what lies in darkness,
and light dwells with him.

However, that is no guarantee to McCain or Obama. It is a guarantee that whatever God has in store for this nation, He will bring it to pass...either in a McCain administration or an Obama administration. He used Assyria and Babylon to judge the divided kingdoms of Israel and Judah respectively; subsequently used the Medes and Persians to judge Babylon. As a nation, we will get what we deservereap what we have sown.

Nice job Macv1972!!

Yes, very very different changes!

Hardly.

I guess Americans really are the most uninformed people on the planet, even WITH the internet at their disposal.

Either that, or critical thinking skills simply do not exist.

Obama and mcCain, one in the same.

Both are funded by the elite.

There'll be a change in name only, but the policy will remain the same.

"If His eye is on the sparrow, you'd best believe He has a handle on everything."

You sure he wasn't talking about a bat?

But-you jeebus freaks keep pretending he's gonna interfere with our free will. (Something the Bible says he doesn't do, BTW).....

#8 | Posted by frankf55 at 2008-10-25 01:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

Interfere with our free will? We live in His world and are subject to His sovereign will. Free will is subject to one's nature. His nature (being) is perfect; ergo, His will is perfectly free. We have free will...make decisions and choices with our free will; but, only according to our nature. We have a fallen nature, which is to say, we have a corrupt nature. While we are capable of acts of civil righteousness...good deeds...even are best deeds do not meet God's standard of perfection and cannot justify us before Him. Much of what we choose and do falls far short of even civic righteousness. Only the righteousness of Christ is sufficient to justify anyone before God.

So, ultimately, nobody gets away with anything...even the stuff we do when we think no one is watching...that no one knows but us. Either Christ has suffered in our place and born God's judgment or we will bear God's judgment ourselves. We can dispute that until the cows come home or we pass from this life; but, once on the other side, each of us will face the reality.

Curse, have a hissy fit, whistle in the dark...it won't change anything. We just won't finally, really know until we pass and things are set unalterably for eternity. The genuine Christian can know now; but, many who profess to know Christ are not known by Christ.

Matthew 7

21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' 23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'

"...it won't change anything."

Exactly like the nonsense you spout.

As a nation, we will get what we deservereap what we have sown.

I thought this was the essence of what Wright was saying in his speech after 9/11. This idea of karma was at the heart of Christ's message.


"...it won't change anything."


Exactly like the nonsense you spout.


#77 | Posted by Dave at 2008-10-25 06:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

If you are saying that the Bible is nonsense, that says far more about you than about the Bible.


As a nation, we will get what we deservereap what we have sown.


I thought this was the essence of what Wright was saying in his speech after 9/11. This idea of karma was at the heart of Christ's message.


#78 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2008-10-25 07:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

There may be a kernel of truth in Wright's diatribes regarding justice; however, it was apparent to most folks that Wright used that in expressing his most extreme position. To equate my post to Wright's message would be incorrect.

And you won't find the term karma in any of Christ's message. He spoke of God's wrath against sin, of God's Justice, and God's Grace. God's Justice requires an accounting for every idle word spoken, every action taken, every deed done. He is no respecter of persons or nations. Some will receive grace, some will receive justice, none will receive injustice from God.

"There may be a kernel of truth in Wright's diatribes regarding justice;"


I guess if you consider the prophet Jeremiah's words from the OT as kernels of truth, then you are right on.

In case you didn't know, that was the OT text from which Wright's sermon was taken that week. Specifically, Jeremiah's admonition about what God does to nations that ignore the poor and less fortunate, and stray from the path of righteousness.

Check it out.

If those clowns only speak for themselves then pray tell why do they have so many followers then??

#20 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2008-10-25 07:47 AM | Reply

They don't have "so many followers" you fucking moron. In a nation of 300 million there are at least 250 million Christians. Dobson may have 100,000 dues-paying members.

Maybe.

That mkes them a fringe group, on par with other wackos like Earth First and the National Association of Gals (NAGs)

"Bankok"

Oops, Vermin, wasted again.

#40 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2008-10-25 11:48 AM | Reply

Drunk_Sarvis:

There is more than one language in the world, which means there is more than one way to spell 'Bangkok' but nobody espects some dumbfuck like you to know that.

These people are insane. How a major American political party finds itself beholden to them says as much about that party as it says about them. Dump them, for Christ's sake. And I'm not blaspheming when I say that.

" How a major American political party finds itself beholden to them"

Let the Republican party be take over by them completely. Yeah!

Ignorant, idiotic and disease-ridden moronic sluts just like you

#84 | Posted by vernon a


YOU'RE THE IGNORANT ONE, FUCKASS, AND I WOULDN'T DOUBT THEY TAKE ONE LOOK AT YOUR DISEASED ASS AND GIVE YOU THE BUM'S RUSH, YOU FUCKING TARD-ASS DUMBFUCK.

Wait - the religious right is playing the "it's the end of the world" card? where was the news again?

I'm sorry, didn't mean to jump in on a fill-in-the blanks 2000 year-old headline.

There is more than one language in the world, which means there is more than one way to spell 'Bangkok' but nobody espects some dumbfuck like you to know that.

#85 | Posted by vernon at 2008-10-25 08:32 PM |

we "espect" to know how to spell if you're gonna call someone a dumbfuck. dumbfuck.

"A handful of VERY LOUD people claiming to speak for all Christians." - vernon

oh thanks for making the point very clear
the same goes for muslims

a handful of very loud and hateful people claim to speak for all muslims

you being in the right wing have bought this and not don't realize you are selling the exact same thing.

"a handful of very loud and hateful people claim to speak for all muslims

you being in the right wing have bought this and not don't realize you are selling the exact same thing"

Bravo, Klifferd.

I love the smell of irony and hypocrocy!

the "christian" right is the biggest threat to this country, not a bunch of towel heads on the other side of the world.
#29 | POSTED BY HILLBILLYDELUXE

Change christian to "religious.'
Every religion is a threat to this country, every last single one.

Belief/faith (unproven) are not premises wise people base their decisions upon.

Lastly, the Middle East has ALWAYS been a problem for sane people of the world.

The Middle Eastern region is responsible for three of the most tribal, nonsensical, unproven, bloody, divisive, controlling, arrogantly dangerous beliefs the logical minded individual has ever had to endure.
None from that region are exempt.

My-oh-my but isn't Verno's in fine form today? Perhaps the catalog bride has come to her senses.

You're a cartoon, Vern. If you didn't exist, we'd have to create you. All good stories have a villain and central casting sent you, day-player. Get your sides from Rush and Hannity. You play the part of Mr. Jones, a man that has a suspicion that something is happening, but just doesn't know what it is.

"There is more than one language in the world
#85 | Posted by vernon at 2008-10-25 08:32 PM "

No shit, Sherlock. And which one is the one you prefer for making a fool of yourself?

Next time, ace, try Esperanto:

mia nomo estas fiinsektoj kaj Mi estas vere tre stulta stulta fik

And you won't find the term karma in any of Christ's message. He spoke of God's wrath against sin, of God's Justice, and God's Grace. God's Justice requires an accounting for every idle word spoken, every action taken, every deed done. He is no respecter of persons or nations. Some will receive grace, some will receive justice, none will receive injustice from God.

No, the word karma wasn't spoken by Christ, but the philosophy behind the word was evident in many of his messages. In his book "The Sermon on the Mount," Emmet Fox speaks to this issue. In the chapter, "With What Measure Ye Mete," Fox says that man has the choice between "Christ and Karma" and that "Christ is the Lord of Karma."

"Judge not that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

There may be a kernel of truth in Wright's diatribes regarding justice; however, it was apparent to most folks that Wright used that in expressing his most extreme position. To equate my post to Wright's message would be incorrect.

Not everyone, including other Christian ministers as well as Christian scholars, thought that Wright's message, albeit extreme, was without merit. That his message was distrubing and went too far, I'll grant you.

God's Justice requires an accounting for every idle word spoken, every action taken, every deed done. He is no respecter of persons or nations. Some will receive grace, some will receive justice, none will receive injustice from God.
#80 | Posted by MACV1972


Sin semilla?

Bangkok. Got it.

Obama equals An america run by the black students union and the gay and lesbian mafia.The communist party of Americas wet dream come true.

Obama equals An america run by the black students union and the gay and lesbian mafia.The communist party of Americas wet dream come true.

That's not the way he ran the Harvard Review. From a previous post I did:

The other night I watched Frontline's show on Obama and McCain. What I found to be of special interest were the comments made about Obama by fellow students who were/are conservatives. For example, this from Bradford Berenson Harvard Law, class of '91; associate White House counsel, 2001-'03:

"You don't become president of the Harvard Law Review, no matter how political, or how liberal the place is, by virtue of affirmative action, or by virtue of not being at the very top of your class in terms of legal ability. Barack was at the very top of his class in terms of legal ability. He had a first-class legal mind and, in my view, was selected to be president of the Review entirely on his merits. . . . .ultimately, the conservatives on the Review supported Barack as president in the final rounds of balloting because he fit that bill far better than the other people who were running. ...

We had all worked with him over the course of a year. And we had all spent countless hours in the presence of Barack, as well as others of our colleagues who were running, in Gannett House [the Law Review offices], and so you get a pretty good sense of people over the course of a year of late nights working on the Review. You know who the rabble-rousers are. You know who the people are who are blinded by their politics. And you know who the people are who, despite their politics, can reach across and be friendly to and make friends with folks who have different views. And Barack very much fell into the latter category. ..."

To read more, go here:

www.pbs.org


93 | Posted by controlledpairs


Seek professional help.

More from Berenson:

"I think Barack took 10 times as much grief from those on the left on the Review as from those of us on the right. And the reason was, I think there was an expectation among those editors on the left that he would affirmatively use the modest powers of his position to advance the cause, whatever that was. They thought, you know, finally there's an African American president of the Harvard Law Review; it's our turn, and he should aggressively use this position, and his authority and his bully pulpit to advance the political or philosophical causes that we all believe in.

And Barack was reluctant to do that. It's not that he was out of sympathy with their views, but his first and foremost goal, it always seemed to me, was to put out a first-rate publication. And he was not going to let politics or ideology get in the way of doing that. ...

He had some discretion as president to exercise an element of choice for certain of the positions on the masthead; it wasn't wide discretion, but he had some. And I think a lot of the minority editors on the Review expected him to use that discretion to the maximum extent possible to empower them. To put them in leadership positions, to burnish their resumes, and to give them a chance to help him and help guide the Review. He didn't do that. He declined to exercise that discretion to disrupt the results of votes or of tests that were taken by various people to assess their fitness for leadership positions.

He was unwilling to undermine, based on the way I viewed it, meritocratic outcomes or democratic outcomes in order to advance a racial agenda. That earned him a lot of recrimination and criticism from some on the left, particularly some of the minority editors of the Review. ...

It confirmed the hope that I and others had had at the time of the election that he would basically be an honest broker, that he would not let ideology or politics blind him to the enduring institutional interests of the Review. It told me that he valued the success of his own presidency of the Review above scoring political points of currying favor with his political supporters."

What evidence do you have the Obama would act differently now?

Obama is a good actor. His thinking was shaped by hate Americans like Wright and Ayers and being president of harvard Law review does not make him qualified to be president.You clowns are lucky there isnt an articulate opponent,which is tragic, because now Obama may steal this most important election.

I never said being pres of the Harvard Review made Obama qualified to be pres of the country. Just as I'm sure you would admit being a POW doesn't qualify McCain for the job.

BTW, I think the best actor in the bunch is Palin. You betcha, I do.

Naw... Obama has her by a mile.


I never said being pres of the Harvard Review made Obama qualified to be pres of the country. Just as I'm sure you would admit being a POW doesn't qualify McCain for the job.

#98 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

Who are you voting for Gal?

I Like the Latest Christian Coalition fill in for Jerry Falwell....James (Hypocrit)Dobson of "Focus on the Family" who has preached for the last 20 Years a womens place is in the house raising her children who is now supporting Sarah Palin as VP like she was sent from Heaven above to stop the Satanic Barrack Obama!!


Guess the part above a mother taking care of her children (Especially one with a new Disadvantaged baby )isn't important anymore.

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