Haider's Successor: We Were Lovers

Typical closeted rightie-
But this reminds me of the the Nazis in Blues Brothers.

FAR right in austria more than likely means he was doing more than hold hands with the far left, as this article attests.

First time I've ever heard the term "beauty correspondent".

Must be a European thing. Most of the worst ideas come from there, anyhow.

First time I've ever heard the term "beauty correspondent".

Must be a European thing. Most of the worst ideas come from there, anyhow.

Isn't that the kind of guy Mccadaver was caught paying 4 grand for to tart him up for debates? Or that went shopping for caribou barbie?

WOW

-But this reminds me of the the Nazis in Blues Brothers

Reminds me of these guys....

www.zpub.com

"FAR right in austria more than likely means he was doing more than hold hands with the far left, as this article attests."

That is a completely idiotic comment NANC even for you, which is saying something.

Actually it isn't. There is really no such thing as "far right" in Europe. All the political parties are of the same, bland, left-of-right-of-center or right-of-left-of-center or leftist-central-with-right-
wing-bias or some other nonsense. Having parliamentary systems are funny that way.

Not that I'm complaining, though. Given Europeans' history of extreme excess--left or right--who am I to say this blahism isn't preferable? At least they're not marching off to another world war, dragging the rest of us along.

So you can be Right-wing and gay?

Shouldn't be a surprise for many right-wing Republicans.

(Not that there's anything wrong with being gay.
Unless you are denying it, like Right-wing republicans do)

why is that, danni?

nutters are nutters!

At least they're not marching off to another world war, dragging the rest of us along.

#8 | Posted by rightisright

No, that's the U.S.'s job this time.

Must be a European thing. Most of the worst ideas come from there, anyhow.

#3 | Posted by rightisright

Yes sir, rightisbullshit. Let's blame everything on the europeans, especially France. That's very convenient. I'm sure they are the ones who got the idea for these subprime loans who are tearing down the world economy. Instead of shouldering the responsability where we have gone wrong and working to fix things, it is much easier to blame the ferners or terrists!

Chill out dude.

First of all, this guy is 27? He doesn't look a day over 45!

And then there's Nanc, who has a habit of saying crazy right-wingers -- are actually pals with the left. Based on what I read in this article, it seems a bit of a reach(around) to me.

Chill out dude.

#13 | Posted by rightisright

And the "Troll of the Decade Award" goes to...

Let's blame everything on the europeans, especially France. That's very convenient. I'm sure they are the ones who got the idea for these subprime loans who are tearing down the world economy. Instead of shouldering the responsability where we have gone wrong and working to fix things, it is much easier to blame the ferners or terrists!

#12 | Posted by geezer1
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Umm, this is Austria, the birthplace of National Socialism. A few miles away, you'll find the birth canal of World Communism. In the other direction, you'll find where Spain fought a civil war with the fascists, and was run by the Colonels for forty years. A bit south you'll find Yugoslavia, home of the first cases of Euro ethnic cleansing since Hitler's Final Solution. An hour by train, you'll find Dachau and Bergen-Belsen; two hours to Auschwitz. And so on.

Geez, Geez.

Oh. And Apocalypto's a retard.

I'll bet they met in Barney Frank's basement.

#18 | Posted by Sniper at 2008-10-23 11:37 AM

Looks like we have a tie for the Troll of the Decade Award AND the Retorts Biggest Idiot Award.

#19 | Posted by briwo

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Says the retard who was suckered in by the Palin 83 IQ hoax.

Looks like we have a tie for the Troll of the Decade Award AND the Retorts Biggest Idiot Award.

#19 | Posted by briwo

Thanks. Anytime you libs say nice things about me, I like it.

I just can't think of enough praise for you socalists.

"I just can't think of enough praise for you socalists."

The San Diegans, or the Los Angelinos?

Ummm, it's "San Diegoan", and "Los Angeleno".

uuuuummmmmm no... having lived both places... I think Danforth has it right Diegan is short for Diaganos... indicating origins is an Espanol sort of way... and Angelinos...for thensame reason... and before you go get yer tail in a knot... calling me socialist... i now live in Wasilla... er wait...Alaska is a socialist state

never mind

"I now live in Wasilla"

Would that make you a Wa-silly?

yup yew betcha also too

I'm sure they are the ones who got the idea for these subprime loans who are tearing down the world economy.

That would be the democrats.

I wonder how you say "wide stance" in German...

More seriously, Europe is a source of bad ideas?

It really is amazing what bad schools and years of right-wing propaganda can accomplish.

Well, I can read a history book.

Plus, I lived there for years. Did you?

from the article --

Petzner said that Claudia, Haider's wife of 32 years and the mother of his two daughters, had not objected to their relationship. But in an interview published in an Austrian women's magazine, Petzner's sister Christiane seemed to suggest otherwise.

"Claudia was sometimes jealous of him because he spent more time with her husband than she did," she said.

From a straight woman's viewpoint, I don't know how his wife could have stayed married to a man who is a homosexual and knew he would always love men more than he loved her. How totally humiliating. (Well, I guess actually he was bisexual since he had kids and was married ?) He started his entire marriage as a lie and a sham -- unless she knew all along and didn't care.

I have far more respect for a homosexual man who just admits he is a homosexual than some guy who is homosexual but tricks and deceives and marries a woman trying to make her (and the rest of the world) believe he is heterosexual. Haider probably did so in order to further his political goals knowing he might not have been able to rise as far up the political ladder as he did than if he openly admitted he was gay.

Why would any gay man marry a woman knowing he could never really love her and that their entire marriage would have been a sham and based on a lie? He must have known he could not have changed his homosexual preferences? Maybe I'm wrong, and please correct me if I am, but don't most gays know since they are very young they are gay -- right? I personally believe you are born homosexual or heterosexual and it's not a matter of "choice"? I know some far right wing evangelical churches believe homosexuals can be "changed" but I think one's sexual preference is determined at birth. I can remember "crushes" on boys at school as far back as the 3rd grade.

Somehow when I ask my questions or state an opinion here on DR on any thread pertaining to gays (such as not being for gay marriage, only civil unions) I get clobbered good but at least the opinions and questions I ask are open and honest.

Throughout my life I never really knew any gay people on a personal level (as far as I was aware, lol) except the librarian at the law firm where I worked and then only as co-employee so I never really got to ask these questions until I started blogging on DR.

I respect the opinions oon here of SanAntonioRogue, Evashogouki, Danni, and Redlightrobot (who have all admitted being openly gay). And they all at one time or another have given some very thoughtful answers as to their positions for gay marriage, etc. (Uusually it's gays like Marytylerwhore and Dumpling1 who -- although really funny and make me laugh a lot-- and a couple others who jump on my case for not agreeing with their positions 100%.)

But my opinions and thoughts come from my own cultural upbringing, religious beliefs, and tradition and not from any form of hatred for gay people so I should at least have some slack cut for me for that if nothing else.

I'm sure they are the ones who got the idea for these subprime loans who are tearing down the world economy.

ummmmm no... that would be Reaganomics only then they called it "creative financing" back then. Low or no money down 5-year balloon based on the promise that the economy and house prices would continue to rise. You were no one unless you had credit... blah blah blah... sooner or later it would trickle your way... and well the country trickled its way to a recession then too.

I bought my first home during the Carter years... so when the interest rates fell.. I was doing fine... and unlike my nuveau riche wanna be friends... knew better than to buy out of my means.

Republicans are such crybabies they want it now.. you can tell by the people they elect... they break it expect someone to buy them a new one... Talk about entitlements.

Shades of Roehm. These National Socialists. My oh my.

en.wikipedia.orghm

Excerpt:

Another hindrance was the more or less open homosexuality of Rohm and other SA leaders such as his deputy Edmund Heines.

In 1931, the Munich Post, a Socialist newspaper, obtained and published Rohm's letters to a friend in which Rohm discussed his sexual affairs with men. This resulted in a national scandal.

The Nazis claimed that the letters were forged. Many writers have suggested Rohm and Heines allowed or encouraged SA promotions on the basis of sexual liaisons with themselves and other SA leaders. This was in spite of the official Nazi policy which condemned homosexuality. For example, SA Gruppenfhrer Karl Ernst had been a bouncer at a homosexual nightclub.

By this time, Rohm and Hitler were so close that they addressed each other as du (the German familiar form of "you"). Besides Rohm, Goering and Goebbels were the only Nazis who used du with Hitler, and only Rohm addressed Hitler as "Adolf," rather than "mein Fuehrer."

As Hitler secured national power in 1933, SA men became auxiliary police, and it was the SA that marched into local government offices to force officials to hand over authority to Nazis.

Second revolution
Rohm and the SA reguarded themselves as the vanguard of the "Nazi revolution". After Hitler's takeover, they expected radical changes in Germany, with power and rewards for them.

Rohm had been one of the most prominent members of the Party's "socialist" faction. This group took the words "Sozialistische" and "Arbeiter" ("worker") in the Party's name literally. They largely rejected capitalism (which they associated with Jews), and pushed for nationalisation of major industrial firms, expanded worker control, confiscation and redistribution of the estates of the old aristocracy, and social equality. Rohm spoke of a "second revolution" against "reactionaries" (the Nazi label for conservatives) ...

And so it goes.

Sound familiar:

,,, This group took the words "Sozialistische" and "Arbeiter" ("worker") in the Party's name literally. They largely rejected capitalism (which they associated with Jews), and pushed for nationalisation of major industrial firms, expanded worker control, confiscation and redistribution of the estates ... Rohm spoke of a "second revolution" against "reactionaries" (the Nazi label for conservatives) ...

#30 | Posted by CalifChris at 2008-10-23 04:14 PM

Maybe I'm wrong, and please correct me if I am, but don't most gays know since they are very young they are gay -- right? I personally believe you are born homosexual or heterosexual and it's not a matter of "choice"?

There seems to be a continuum, Chris, rather than a 0-1 dichotomy, so that I suppose that there are some people "on sort of a cusp," which would not be a point, but rather could be regarded as a transitional length on a line, who are influenced by their milieu in making their choice, or who end up electing both options heterosexual and homosexual.

Some lesbians seem to experience less conflict and less angst in repositioning themselves from one behavior to another. Anne Heche, who was in "a relationship" with Ellen De Generes, seemed to have made the transition to a heterosexual preference, much to Ellen's chagrin.

In the early 1990s, Heche dated both Another World costars Richard Burgi and David Forsyth. She also dated musician Lindsey Buckingham of Fleetwood Mac for a year in the early 1990s.

Heche's relationship with comedian Ellen DeGeneres and the events following their breakup became subjects of widespread media interest. The couple started dating in 1997 shortly after the famous "Puppy Episode" of DeGeneres' eponymous sitcom. At one point, the two said they would get a civil union if such became legal in Vermont. They also worked on film and TV projects together. They broke up in August 2000.

Shortly after the split, Heche began dating cameraman Coleman Laffoon, whom she met while Laffoon was filming a comedy special for DeGeneres. They were married on September 1, 2001. Their son, Homer, was born six months later, on March 2, 2002. On January 24, 2007, it was reported that Heche and Laffoon had split after nearly six years of marriage. Lafoon filed for divorce on February 2, 2007. Since their split, Heche and Laffoon have been involved in a long-running court battle over spousal and child support and have yet to finalize their divorce.

Sources say Heche left her husband for Men in Trees co-star James Tupper. Heche's rep had no comment, but the actress herself confirmed the relationship in October 2007 while appearing on Late Show with David Letterman. The couple reportedly moved in together in August 2007.

Well, I suppose that Anne was not particularly stable in any relationships. She has claimed that her father , who was a Baptist Minister, and closet homosexual, who died of AIDS, molested her.

Oh well.

Maybe our presumed models of the power of sexual impulses and sexual behavior to mold our lives are flawed as we pretend that they are something that they are not.