Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Tuesday, October 21, 2008

A dead bear cub was found dumped this morning on the Western Carolina University campus, draped with a pair of Obama campaign signs, university police said.

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Is this a cry for help from Crackpipejunkie?

This story is disgusting. Killing a little bear cub and then covering him with Obama signs?

I've said it before, I don't recall ever seeing so much hatred in a political campaign. I hope these feelings calm down after the election no matter who wins but I fear it might only get worse. Even in my own town here in California, which is fairly mellow and certainly no hotbed of political activism, there was a story last week of Obama signs in front of some homes being written over with "Obama" crossed out and replaced with the word "Osama" or the signs were torn down altogether. What's the matter with people?

What's the matter with people?

Talk to PINCHE. He can clue you into what goes through the mind of a mindless hater.

It WILL get worse. Some people just can't handle a half nigra being POTUS.

Yeah, he's a democrat. Yeah, there are legitimate criticisms of his policies and record.

However, the rapid haters who want him dead, gone, or injured...the ones who cry "terrorist" at McCain rallies... it simply boils down to Obama's skin color.

Hard to believe this is the 21st century sometimes, eh? Half of the gadgets Americans use, I'm not 100% on how they work. Our technological advances are pretty amazing, but our social progress is sadly lacking in comparison.

What's the matter with people?

They're getting fucked royally by the top 1%. The country is in the decline, generally speaking. The dollar is worth less than it was, and it takes more education and money to make it in today's market.

The vast majority of politicians only offer them god and guns to cling to. And yeah...people ARE bitter, because they're paying attention.

Politics is quickly becoming the "two minutes hate" for a lot of folks who feel helpless to change anything. Left and Right.

"If we find out who they are, we'll make sure Western Carolina University deplores the inappropriate behavior that led to this troubling incident," said Leila Tvedt, associate vice chancellor


i guess there is no laws for killing bear cubs in western north carolina.

"there was a story last week of Obama signs in front of some homes being written over with "Obama" crossed out and replaced with the word "Osama" or the signs were torn down altogether. What's the matter with people?"

A few weeks ago there was an Obama sign about a block away from my house that somebody vandalized and wrote "is a Terrerist" on it. You'd think if somebody was going to write inflammatory graffiti, they'd at least consult a dictionary.

"You'd think if somebody was going to write inflammatory graffiti, they'd at least consult a dictionary"

thats cause the scummiest of scum from both sides of the political spectrum come out of the woodwork in this kind of election.

and scum aren't usually intelligent

whats a dick shun airy

I hope these feelings calm down after the election no matter who wins but I fear it might only get worse.
Posted by CalifChris

The Fairness Doctrine will see to it.

wonder why they didn't put signs with putin all over the bear?

Whoever shot that cub should be beaten within an inch of their lives.

nanc
thats cause putin hunts tigers

bears are too easy.

but russia is the equivalent of THE BEAR, klifferd.

So are they saying Obama can kill Russia?
That Obama supports killing bear cubs?

RAGE, it's ALL THE RAGE!

"The Fairness Doctrine will see to it."

Yeah, it might stop Rush from sharing his love as he explains Colin Powell's motivation for endorsing Obama. If Ronnie Raygun had not eliminated the Fairness Doctrine much of the recent history of the US would be different and probably better. Most of the problems we have today are the results of tools like Rush being paid to push a corporate agenda.
I have always thought it was sad that working class folks would listen to that tool as he supports those who outsource jobs, allow unbridled illegal immigration, unnecessary wars, usury, unfair bankruptcy laws, corporate health care, etc.
We are beginning to see the results of those things pushed by the right and it ain't a pretty sight.

Fairness Doctrine?


Any liberal who supports it AND, at the same time, claims to be in favor of free speech and opposed to fascism is full-of-shit.

"Any liberal who supports it AND, at the same time, claims to be in favor of free speech and opposed to fascism is full-of-shit."

Methinks you don't understand the requirements of the Fairness Doctrine. Are you actually suggesting we had no free speech from 1949 until it was repealed?

When the dumb get desperate, their desperation makes them dumber. And the palin mccain ticket just fuels the fire with irresponsible accusations, fomenting the dummies at their rallies so that they actually cry out " kill obama, string him up" that he's a traitor...and barbie smiles.

Haven't you had enough of this divisive shit?

Methinks you don't understand the requirements of the Fairness Doctrine.

I am very well versed in the Fairness Doctrine.

If it were applied today, it would kill political talk-radio, which happens to be almost exclusively conservative.

Which is precisely why so many fascist liberals are having wet-dreams over it's possible re-instatement.

The Ed Schultz's of the world can be easily sacrificed when fascist liberals can stifle giants like Limbaugh and Hannity.

"Any liberal who supports it AND, at the same time, claims to be in favor of free speech and opposed to fascism is full-of-shit."

Fairness is apparently a fascist concept.
Who knew?

BTW, as the owners of the air waves don't Americans have the right to decide what constitutes fair use of those air waves? The corporations that own radio stations do not own the air waves but they do control the views expressed on them. In many places they prevent opposing views and have even been known to buy radio stations offering progressive talk just to shut it down.

It WILL get worse. Some people just can't handle a half nigra being POTUS.

explains why Powell gave up a free ticket to the WH. His wife was afraid he'd be assasinated. I expect Righties are already working on Operation Obam-bam.

fomenting the dummies at their rallies so that they actually cry out " kill obama, string him up"

That was seriously investigated and curiously the ONLY person to hear that remark was the reporter who claimed to have heard it. Hmmmmmm.....

Why would obama supporters do such a thing?

If someone shoots Obama, I have a feeling all HELL would break loose.

Fairness is apparently a fascist concept.
Who knew?

It's not fairness and you fucking know it.


It predominantly targets one medium that happens to be dominated by Conservatives. What a fucking shocker!

"If it were applied today, it would kill political talk-radio"

That is baloney, we had great political talk radio right here in S. Florida back when the Fairness Doctrine was still in effect. How would fairness kill talk??? It could make it a little less one sided though.
More important that the Fairness Doctrine is to break up media monopolies and force a more diverse ownership of stations.

"Any liberal who supports it AND, at the same time, claims to be in favor of free speech and opposed to fascism is full-of-shit."

Like DANFORTH pointed out it worked like a charm from 1949 until the plot was hatched to let the right wing lunatics take over radio 24/7

After it was repealed the right wing turned on anything to the left of the extreme. Hasn't been good for America. Divided us the most anything else has since the Civil War.

"It's not fairness and you fucking know it."

You're wrong Jeff, perhaps due to your age you don't even remember life before the elimination of the Fairness Doctrine. It was a better country before Rush and his fellow thugs began their 24/7 propaganda.

That is baloney, we had great political talk radio right here in S. Florida back when the Fairness Doctrine was still in effect. How would fairness kill talk???

AM radio was dying a slow-death until FD was lifted. Since then, political talk-radio exploded.

I know you want to use the power of government to shut up people with whom you disagree. Fine. But don't be disingenuous about it.

Until assholes are shooting baby bears and dropping their carcasses, and men charge into churches to 'kill liberals'.

Right wing radio is spiteful. Not healthy for a Democracy using the public airwaves.

JEFF

The Fairness Doctrine isn't about 'shutting up' anyone. It's about equal time on the public airwaves - that we all own.

You're wrong Jeff, perhaps due to your age you don't even remember life before the elimination of the Fairness Doctrine. It was a better country before Rush and his fellow thugs began their 24/7 propaganda.


You don't like what they have to say, so you want to shut them up via some bullshit, Draconian governmental mandate.

Seems to me radio went to shit right around 1990, I was about 30 at the time and it seems since then it's been all hate all the time. I mean where else could a fat, impotent, drug addict, say he had a picture of the new WH dog and then hold up a pic of a 12 yr old girl.

Hmmm I wonder what would happen should we find a dead Moose with Palin or McCain signs all over it?

This is just the result of the Rethugs ratcheting up the emote level of the lizard brains in the Rethug party.

After Nov 4th they will still be here and there will be a "Terrerist" in the WH. What will happen then?

Has anyone really thought about what could happen to this country?

I am really starting to worry for us.


Donner: You started worrying about 8 yrs too late.

The Fairness Doctrine isn't about 'shutting up' anyone. It's about equal time on the public airwaves - that we all own.


So, to hell with what people actually want to hear. Is that right? Instead, impose onto the airwaves what the minority wants? You call that Democracy?

It's fascism. Plain and simple.

You have liberal dominance in education, academia, the arts, entertainment and a vast majority of the media. Yet, you want to squelch the one medium where conservatives enjoy a competitive advantage?

Why don't you guys just intern anyone who has the audacity to disagree with leftist politics?


PS - why is it OK for radio stations to let the market decide broadcasting on every other avenue except political talk? We don't have a 'Fairness Doctrine' for Polka, or opera, or sports-talk covering women's sports, or....


You guys are so transparent it's laughable. You can't stand ANYBODY who has the temerity to challenge the liberal establishment.

When it comes to radio, may I suggest buying one with a tuner? That should solve all the lefties problems. Lord knows, theirs are all stuck on Rush's show.

Whether the Fairness Doctrine targets talk radio or not, I can't understand anyone who supports it if they respect the liberty upon which our country was founded. The Fairness Doctrine restrains some speech in favor of mandating other speech. The FCC should implement its own "fairness doctrine" in the way they issue broadcast licenses - but to require those already licensed to present views they don't have is unworkable and in many cases unconstitutional.

The Fairness Doctrine isn't about 'shutting up' anyone.


In application, that is precisely what it accomplishes.

You can try and cloak it around a bunch of feel-good plattitudes about promoting Democracy and such, but those are just words.

When applied, it squelches political opinion talk, which is dominated by the right.

Actions speak louder than words.

It seems to me the only ones against the Fairness Doctrine are Right Wingers. Could that be because they don't want people to know that the right wingers have been lying to them the whole time. Just curious.

Larry

If Obama's grandmother is at risk of losing her life in this undisclosed illness, it would be a great shame that she didn't make it to Election Day.

#90 | Posted by rcade at 2008-10-21 08:55 AM

heh...nice but I was always worried about Bush and what he would do to us and my worst fears have come true.

And this just makes it worst because if I was right then what does that mean about my fears for the future of America now?

"""That was seriously investigated and curiously the ONLY person to hear that remark was the reporter who claimed to have heard it. Hmmmmmm.....

#22 | Posted by JeffJ at 2008-10-21 02:04 PM


So you want to nuance the words. Fine. The rhetoric and the hate-infused message is the same.

www.cnn.com

To the point that Mccain himself needed to relay a message of sanity:

www.journalgazette.net


Some people are not very good with nuances and innuendos, particularly hard-core partisans. The dumber the crowd, the more they take the message at face-value. Right or left. The difference is that mccain and palin are stoking the flames, are just deepening the divide instead of starting a healing process...yet they have the audacity to lay claim to change while using the "republican special": slanderous innuendos and avoidance of issues. Not very credible change if you ask me. The unfortunate part is that I think mccain has lost himself, his beliefs, in the desire to become CIC and is now looking like the gop strategists' puppet. Sad thing for a man that had previously demonstrate some level of virtue and value.

"It seems to me the only ones against the Fairness Doctrine are Right Wingers"

If that's true, then it's sad. There should be no shortage of liberals against mandating particular forms of speech.

JeffJ:

You are a Moron. You have no idea what the hell you're blabbering about. Some of us actually lived during the time of the 'Fairness Doctrine'. It held the public airwaves, radio and t.v. out for anyone to receive equal time - regardless of economics. we had local editorial and debates that include all opinions.

That is also considered the GOLDEN AGE of America that you yahoos on the right consider the best years of America.

Since Reagan removed the 'Fairness Doctrine' and Clinton effectively wiped out Anti-Trust laws our whole country has gone to hell in a fascist hand basket - and political discourse has become an item for sale to the higest bidder.

Wake up, Moron.

oops responded to the wrong post!

I was responding to briwo...#35

More important that the Fairness Doctrine is to break up media monopolies and force a more diverse ownership of stations.

That is a completely different issue and has nothing to do with FD.

You think a monopoly or a trust exists in regards to media ownership?

Fine, bust out the Sherman anti-trust act and break that shit up through legal channels.

The Fairness Doctrine has nothing to do with media ownership.

Dumper,

You are a Moron

Uh huh. I've shown advocates of FD to be complete fascists and you didn't come up with shit for a rejoinder.

You clowns are all for free speech, as long as you agree with what's being said.

I wonder what America would be like without Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and the rest of the extreme right wing haters???

My bet is it would be a much better country and we wouldn't be at war nor 10 trillion in debt.

But hey, some folks like big debt and war.

For me to accept the Fairness Doctrine, give me 4 or 5 political parties to choose from and make this mandatory.

Until the two-party stranglehold it broken, the Fairness Doctrine is strictly two opposing views fighting. The Fairness Doctrine must grant multiple party views - not two.

"""PS - why is it OK for radio stations to let the market decide broadcasting on every other avenue except political talk? We don't have a 'Fairness Doctrine' for Polka, or opera, or sports-talk covering women's sports, or...."""

Polka doesn't determine the fate of your country.

It also means that those with money control the message, therefore the promotion of an ideology over another. If at least there was a level of restraint or a prerequisite of truth in what is being broadcast, then some of the over-the-top shit, usually lies or slimy gossip, affects the outcome of an election before being disproved. Hell, the right has claimed Obama is a muslim for so long, many at mccain's rally think he is. That is equal parts funny and scary. Funny because the retards that spew back these talking points out themselves as tards, scary because too many of the people that fall into that category can actually vote.

Bear killed and draped with Obama signs?

Was it a black bear?

Spud's only surprise is that they didn't lynch the poor thing.

This is the true face of the so-called compassionate conservatives on the right.

Look on their works ye righty tighties and DESPAIR.

This act embodies the holes in yer souls that you fill in with hate and lies.

Uneccessarily divise hatemongers, hammering wedge issue after wedge issue into the public psyche until a country divided is the inevitable result at the end of the day.

"For shame", sez Spud.

Tsk Tsk.

Be Well.

/Due to the fact that is was a bear cub and not a full grown bear here Spud has no difficulties in describing the idjits who did this as cowards as well as hatemongers.

//Gotsta git going now kids, Spud is make like a baby and heads outta the Demonstrably delightful Drudge Retort like a tater do,
stage left.

"It predominantly targets one medium that happens to be dominated by Conservatives"

YEAH!

Wouldn't that be the "Libruul" medium?

"If it were applied today, it would kill political talk-radio"

Apparently you have never listened to Mark Levin --- that guy doesn't talk, he just High Pitch Whines!
Anyway, why not some fairness, it would help the "conservatives" since everything is "libruul" --- or so they like to say!

"Bear killed and draped with Obama signs?
Was it a black bear?"

LOL!

Anyone for a retribution action tonight?
How about a polar bear hunt?

But hey, some folks like big debt and war.

As long as they don't have to pay for it, or fight in it......

Anyway, about this bear. It's being investigated as a criminal act. Bear hunting season is open; however dumping its carcass is, under NC law, a wanton waste of a natural resource.

I hope they staple the arrest warrant to the head of whatever shitbag did this! My guess it's a devout fundamentalist Christian as they feel entitled to waste whatever they want!

"But hey, some folks like big debt and war.

As long as they don't have to pay for it, or fight in it......"


And some people like the government theft as long as they get a piece.

"And some people like the government theft as long as they get a piece.

#56 | Posted by salamandagator


Now thats no way to talk about your WS heros (otherwise known as Bush Rangers)!

"And some people like the government theft as long as they get a piece."

Yeah, the executives who run the banks that were just bailed out. The one's Rush works for.
Get a clue...Rush and the Rest of them work for the big corporations not for their listeners. Their listeners are the intended victims of the propaganda.

I wonder what America would be like without Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and the rest of the extreme right wing haters???


You don't like their message?

Fine. Then market a different message.

Air America was a collossal failure despite a huge infusion of donations. However, Ed Schultz does pretty well - 2 million listeners per week.


Why don't you ask Ed Schultz or Alan Colmes what they think of the 'Fairness Doctrine'?

It also means that those with money control the message, therefore the promotion of an ideology over another.

Nobody is forced to listen to conservative talk. No matter how much money is behind it, ratings are still king in this industry. A show that doesn't attract listeners doesn't last. Period.

Rush Limbaugh has been a huge success for over 20 years. 20 million listeners per week.


If at least there was a level of restraint or a prerequisite of truth in what is being broadcast, then some of the over-the-top shit, usually lies or slimy gossip, affects the outcome of an election before being disproved.

It's humorous that you are ONLY concerned with the 1 medium where conservatives have a competitive advantage.

I don't see any of you clamoring for equal time for creationism in schools.

If political talk-radio was dominated by liberals, each and every one of you would be vehemently opposed to reinstituting the 'Fairness Doctrine' and I would be right there with you.

"Fine, bust out the Sherman anti-trust act and break that shit up through legal channels. "

We'll get that Republican DOJ on it post-haste.

We'll get that Republican DOJ on it post-haste.


Well, you are about to have an Obama presidency coupled with a Dem majority in both houses. You shouldn't have to wait long.

"Well, you are about to have an Obama presidency coupled with a Dem majority in both houses. You shouldn't have to wait long. "

Does that mean it's a monopoly, and the Rs haven't done their duty, or it's not, and the Dems will pretend it is?

And then you have idiots like this guy, Michelle Bachmann and Sarah "mooseketeer" Palin rallying cries for some good old fashioned McCarthyism.

www.politico.com

conservative talk radio hosts and their listeners hate america

There are very sick people in the world.

"Air America was a collossal failure despite a huge infusion of donations."
Er...Air America is alive and well and I am listening at this moment.

I think Jeff is not yet convinced that the right has destroyed our country. The economic crisis hasn't cost his job yet. When it does I think I will ask him how he feels about Rush and the rest.
A change in perspective sometimes precedes a change in political viewpoint.

"Michelle Bachmann"....that lady is N U T S !

I watched her on Hardball, her eyes are those of a zombie.

"Nobody is forced to listen to conservative talk"

Really?

What liberals (or other) are offered on AFN?

Michelle Bachmann"....

She looked like a Stepford Wife on Rethugly brand steroids.

"Well, you are about to have an Obama presidency coupled with a Dem majority in both houses. You shouldn't have to wait long. "


And if the even comes to pass, will it really happen? Or, will the two-party system be unveiled as one?

think Jeff is not yet convinced that the right has destroyed our country. The economic crisis hasn't cost his job yet. When it does I think I will ask him how he feels about Rush and the rest.
A change in perspective sometimes precedes a change in political viewpoint.


Political viewpoint is irrelevant.

You are advocating a government mechanism that will destroy 1 medium - a medium that is dominated by a worldview that you disagree with.

I think your politics suck. That doesn't mean that I want the government to first fine and then revoke the broadcasting liscense for Air America.

"That doesn't mean that I want the government to first fine and then revoke the broadcasting liscense for Air America."

But apparently you do think that major corporations should be allowed to buy all the radio stations and prevent Air America from being on the air in major cities. It boils down to the same thing.

"a medium that is dominated by a worldview that you disagree with."

And one that is quickly becoming the cause of huge economic problems. It is, I believe, fair to say that right wing talk has allowed the Republican party to gain power and push the corporate agenda which has hurt most Americans.

The days when these goobers could scare people with such gestures are long passed. Nobody looked at that bear and thought "that could be me, I better watch it". They looked at that bear and thought "brothers and sisters need to stop fucking..."

"""Nobody is forced to listen to conservative talk. No matter how much money is behind it, ratings are still king in this industry. A show that doesn't attract listeners doesn't last. Period."""

No one is forced, true, but the media landscape determines the choices, and the landscape is determined by money. SAdly, the ratings are king and the ratings are obtained through journalism that is more akin to shock jock tactics that true news reporting or opinion radio. Usually hate is promoted, absolute righteousness of the presented view, lies are spewed about the opponents and excuses are made for your party. So the ratings thing is in part responsible for that sad state of affairs. Seems like sanity doesn't pump the nielsen ratings.

"""Rush Limbaugh has been a huge success for over 20 years. 20 million listeners per week."""

Case in point.

"""It's humorous that you are ONLY concerned with the 1 medium where conservatives have a competitive advantage."""

I'm not, radio was the example. I can see some skews to the left from some tv stations or printed media, but nothing to the extent of fox or right-wing radio. And if it is totally skewed (I get limited exposure up here) then that is wrong as well.

"""I don't see any of you clamoring for equal time for creationism in schools."""

Listen. Creationism is a tenet of a particular religion. If you want to teach it in the context of a theology course which also presents all religions' concept on the creation of the universe, earth, man, by all means, go for it, I could support that. Those are comparable religious ideas on how we all came to be, but it is not science, it is not grounded in fact and observation. It might piss the more devout off, but for the time being, evolution is the most logical scientific explanation to date that man has come up with. It's by no means bullet proof, but until another scientific theory is developed, it's what we've got. To teach a particular religion's take on the matter as an alternative of equal scientific value is risible and an insult to any thinking person.


"""If political talk-radio was dominated by liberals, each and every one of you would be vehemently opposed to reinstituting the 'Fairness Doctrine' and I would be right there with you."""

It might ring hollow with you, but I do have a sense of justice. I would claim that the situation is unfair, and potentially dangerous.

In essence, if I follow your logic to the end of the dead end it leads to, you would be comfortable with all media being controlled by one person, all media broadcasting one version of facts, one take on things, one ideology. Pretty dangerous if you ask me.

But apparently you do think that major corporations should be allowed to buy all the radio stations and prevent Air America from being on the air in major cities.

No bankroll can support a ratings loser in the long-term.

I know you fear those evil corporations under your bed, but they are not all-powerful.


It boils down to the same thing.

No it doesn't. Not even close. Air America had huge financial backing. It just couldn't support itself even with big money backing it. Nobody was listening. Conversely, Rush Limbaugh is a cash-cow. 20 million listeners per week - a syndicated show that has been in existence for 20 years with no signs of becoming defunct.


And one that is quickly becoming the cause of huge economic problems. It is, I believe, fair to say that right wing talk has allowed the Republican party to gain power and push the corporate agenda which has hurt most Americans.

That is your opinion as evidenced by what I put in bold.

The answer is NOT to shut-up opinion that you disagree with. That's part of living in a Democratic Republic - you take the good with the bad but freedom, particularly freedom of expression, is paramount. The Fairness Doctrine is that antithesis of freedom of expression.

I've gotta run.


I appreciate the discussion.


Pancho - I see you rattled off a well-thought reply. I will respond to it, but it may take a day or so given my schedule.

Has anyone investigated where Steven Colbert was that day?

jeffj

i will say
the corporate takeover the radio has made it impossible for musicians like myself to get on the radio

and i'm sure its made it impossible for view points to get on the air.

its based on money now

so they only take the artists from major labels
who pay to play even though its illegal

its not only about talk radio
its about the entire medium being turned into one big commercial for whoever has the most money to pay to play

its not about what opinion people want to hear
its about what opinion they want to sell you

The answer is NOT to shut-up opinion that you disagree with.

How about we FINE them each time they put a LIE on the airways.

We could then send the money to charity.

"No it doesn't. Not even close. Air America had huge financial backing. It just couldn't support itself even with big money backing it."

Jeff, for the second time, Air America is still on the air and is doing fine. It is a right wing myth that they went off the air. More disinformation from your talking point masters.

its not about what opinion people want to hear
its about what opinion they want to sell you

#79 | Posted by klifferd

Worked in the legal department of a major label once. Thought it was going to be a great job. Got disgusted at how they treated music like any old widget.

Selling eyes and ears to the advertisers is what tv and radio exist for in our country.

hc

my band manager works for live nation

it is pretty disgusting at how the media system works in today's world

whats interesting to me
is my band plays with signed artist
signed artist is has-been band
record company blows smoke up our ass and has us send them our demo
next day record company blows off our return calls
1 year later has-been band releases song that sounds just like one of our songs

why sign a new band when you can make has-been band steal the music from local bands.

and of course has-been band gets radio play and song becomes a hit.

the same is true with talk radio
and the same is true with most media

the same is true with talk radio
and the same is true with most media

#83 | Posted by klifferd

yeah. I've said for a long time that limbaugh is just a ripoff of howard stern with a political angle.

I have always thought it was sad that working class folks would listen to that tool as he supports those who outsource jobs,...

#15 | Posted by danni at 2008-10-21 01:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

....says the tool that brags about her foreign made automobile by a company that is foreign based as well.

These liberal college student Obama supporters are killing bear cubs and covering them with pro-Obama signs to drum up support for Obama? Why?

Then again, it could have been Dem VP pick Joe Biden proving he can shoot bears just as well Sarah Palin shoots moose! Darn that Joe Biden!

Says the obsessive, shit for brains stalker who doesn't realize how moronic he looks repeating the same 2 or 3 insults hundreds of times.

#87 | Posted by nullifidian at 2008-10-21 05:07 PM | Reply |

I just can't believe the guy drives an american-made car? I don't know anyone that does, unless it's a truck or pickup. Talk about masochism. Gimme german engineering, f1 tires and a mountain road.


"....says the tool that brags about her foreign made automobile by a company that is foreign based as well.


#85 | Posted by ride_on "


wow

mccain drives a bunch of cars
none of them american

but lies about it and says he only drives american

you ride_on are a fool

who cares the car you drive

I've said it before, I don't recall ever seeing so much hatred in a political campaign. I hope these feelings calm down after the election no matter who wins but I fear it might only get worse.
Posted by CalifChris


I tend to agree, CalifChris. It took months (and a terrorist attack) for the post-election divisions of 2000 to die down. The post-2004 vitriole really never left, even if it went somewhat underground for a while, only to have it come back throughout the 2008 campaign cycle. I don't really see it ending whatsoever on Nov 5th. No matter who wins I think we're really doomed now to have two Americas -- one red and one blue -- until something happens again to change it. And please spare me the "ah ha see that's how you repubs think, and dems don't think that way" retort. I am close friends with, and work with, enough folks on both sides to know that it can be as bad on one side as the other. Whoever gets elected is going to have a mountain to climb.

Well it doesn't surprise me in the least bit that some inbred cocksucker from that area is trying to intimidate or scare people.

The dumb ass that pulled this stunt just got secret service on his ass because this is a veiled death threat.

"I know you want to use the power of government to shut up people with whom you disagree. Fine. But don't be disingenuous about it."

#29 | Posted by JeffJ

In Red Lion Broadcasting Co. v. FCC, 395 U.S. 367 (1969), the U.S. Supreme Court upheld (by a vote of 8-0) the constitutionality of the Fairness Doctrine

Writing for the Court, Justice Byron White declared:

A license permits broadcasting, but the licensee has no constitutional right to be the one who holds the license or to monopolize a radio frequency to the exclusion of his fellow citizens. There is nothing in the First Amendment which prevents the Government from requiring a licensee to share his frequency with others.... It is the right of the viewers and listeners, not the right of the broadcasters, which is paramount.[1]

The Court warned that if the doctrine ever restrained speech, then its constitutionality should be reconsidered.

> the 1949 Federal Communications Commission (FCC) regulation that once required broadcasters to "afford reasonable opportunity for the discussion of conflicting views of public importance. <

Uhhhmmm .... How does this regulation shut anybody up? It specifically says to allow opposing views on the same broadcasting platform. Not neccesarily the same talk show, but somewhere on by the same broadcaster. Nothing at all about censorship.

Perhaps those who are opposed and offended by a talk show's views need to be more vocal and vehement, and demand thier time to rebut.

"Whoever gets elected is going to have a mountain to climb."
True, but there is only one mountain climber in this election, Obama! (just listen to McCain's robocalls)

#5 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2008-10-21 04:18 AM

The country is in the decline, generally speaking. The dollar is worth less than it was,

Come on Alexandrite, give it a rest ... Come on and observe the reality. The dollar is becoming stronger and stronger, worth more than it was in terms of purchasing power and as an exchange currency.

The dollar buys more real property here in the U.S.

The dollar buys more shares of stock here in the U.S.

The dollar buys more oil. What's it down to - some $70 a barrel, nearly half the price that it cost recently, so the purchasing power of the dollar in terms of oil has nearly doubled.

And what about on the foreign exchange market. I think that you'll find that the dollar is increasing in value.

Also, when there is political unrest, or economic chaos, the dollar is the reserve currency that people seek. There are anecdotal reports from Russia that people are trying to convert their rubles into dollars as a safe haven.

So, enough of this malarkey regarding the dollar losing value. It's on the upswing, gaining value for a variety of reasons. The dollar has greater purchasing power in the U.S. for example for such major purchases as real estate, shares of stock, and oil.

And the dollar is gaining value as a foreign exchange currency. In some countries the dollar is regarded as a better repository for money in bad times than precious metals such as gold, platinum, or silver.

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GOLD MARKET AND PRICE 1800-2008
One of the oldest civilisations known to man, the Sumerians of Mesopotamia, who lived in what is modern-day Iran and Iraq, first used gold as sacred, ornamental, and decorative instruments in the fifth millennium B.C. Around the same period, the early Egyptians the richest gold-producing civilisation of the ancient world began the art of gold refining. Like the Sumerians, the Egyptians used gold primarily for personal adornment, rather than for monetary purposes, although the kings of the fourth to sixth dynasties (c. 2700 - 2270 B.C.) did issue some gold coins. The first large-scale, private issuance of pure gold coins was under King Croesus (560-546 B.C.), the ruler of ancient Lydia, modern-day western Turkey. Stamped with his royal emblem of the facing heads of a lion and a bull, these first known coins eventually became the standard of exchange for worldwide trade and commerce.



Source: The World Gold Council

Gold is traditionally weighed in Troy Ounces (31.1035 grammes). It has a specific gravity of 19.3, meaning that it is 19.3 times heavier than water. So gold weighs 19.3 kilograms per litre. With the density of gold at 19.32 g/cm3, a troy ounce of gold would have a volume of 1.64 cm3. A tonne of gold would therefore have a volume of 51, 760 cm3, which would be equivalent to a cube of side 37.27cm (Approx. 1' 3''). At the end of 2003, Gold Field Mineral Services (GFMS) estimated that above-ground stocks represented a total volume of approximately 150,500 tonnes, of which 61% had been mined since 1950. All the gold ever mined would form a cube measuring only 19m on each side. This cube would, for example, easily fit under the Eiffel Tower in Paris.

The proportion of gold in jewellery is measured on the carat (or karat) scale. The word carat comes from the carob seed, which was originally used to balance scales in Oriental bazaars. Pure gold is designated 24 carat, which compares with the "fineness" by which bar gold is defined.

My word, does anyone actually read johnson.

Every time the writing goes below my whole screen I just skip and scroll down to the next post.

Not worth reading if it takes so much to say.

johnson-
Just for starters:

The dollar buys more real property here in the U.S.

The dollar buys more shares of stock here in the U.S.

The dollar buys more oil. What's it down to - some $70 a barrel, nearly half the price that it cost recently, so the purchasing power of the dollar in terms of oil has nearly doubled.

1. You're actually bragging that more US dollars are used in the US than other foreign currencies?

2. See 1

3. The purchasing power of oil for every currency has increased because the global economy is is a free-fall fugue, and demand has dropped quicker than the supply could be reduced.

4. This last one isn't a comment on anything specific that you've written, but more a comment on the totality of the bullshit you post in toto: Do you believe the bullshit that drips from your fingers AS you are typing it?

Amen to that MONEYWAR

I don't read him either. Mainly because there's no reward for the waste of my time.

Brevity is the soul of wit and Johnson doesn't have much of either.

Jeff, for the second time, Air America is still on the air and is doing fine.

Good for them. Seriously.


It is a right wing myth that they went off the air. More disinformation from your talking point masters.

Last I checked they were operating in the red. Big time. That isn't a "talking point", it's a fact.

Uhhhmmm .... How does this regulation shut anybody up? - Duggan

It requires broadcasters to carry a venue that isn't profitable.

It becomes so restrictive that the entire format is dumped altogether, much to the delight of fascist liberals.

wow Air America is back on in Portland. I won't listen to it but glad it's back.

Perhaps those who are opposed and offended by a talk show's views need to be more vocal and vehement, and demand thier time to rebut.

Then they can invest the money necessary to purchase the time to do so, just as those proferring the offending opinion do.


In essence, if I follow your logic to the end of the dead end it leads to, you would be comfortable with all media being controlled by one person, all media broadcasting one version of facts, one take on things, one ideology. Pretty dangerous if you ask me.

Our media is more diverse than ever before. TV news, cable news, talk radio, Sirius, print periodicals, an increasingly wide range of printed books, internet, etc.

To claim that one voice dominates is absurd. In fact, when we look at the overriding opinion when analyzing ALL of the media, it is overwhelmingly liberal; but apparently that isn't good enough for the liberal fascists (not you).



"The dollar buys more real property here in the U.S.


The dollar buys more shares of stock here in the U.S."


too bad no one has any free dollars to buy stuff with

well maybe they do in china


"Then they can invest the money necessary to purchase the time to do so, just as those proferring the offending opinion do."

again

don't you see

even if the view is "liberal facist" or "conservative nazism"

its still the PAID for vision

not the real american vision
its the vision we are sold


you at one moment are against a two party system and claim the options suck
then allow the two options to be the only options.
they have the most money
they are the only ones that get air time.

"If we find out who they are, we'll make sure Western Carolina University deplores the inappropriate behavior that led to this troubling incident," said Leila Tvedt,


Does "deplore" mean public whipping, Singapore style? Because that's what I would do.

What's wrong with these Liberals in the Universities. It's ok with me if you choose to use stronger language.

I bet it was a Black bear and it was killed by KKK member clinging to thier guns...

I still believe reversible-sterilization at birth is a good idea.

Procreation is not a right, but a monumental responsibility that most cannot handle with any level of competency.

The people that did this are poster children for keeping abortion legal.

Oh and I'm sure that only Republicans would do such horrable things....oops!

Republican HQ Manager's Home Shot Up Over McCain Signs

'Democrats Far More Aggressive in Seminole County,' Victim Says


www.local6.com

this election cycle has brought out all the assholes from both sides

the last 8 years of pent up aggression is coming out

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