Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Monday, October 20, 2008

This is the second West Virginia county where voters have reported this problem. Last week, three voters in Jackson County told The Charleston Gazette their electronic vote for "Barack Obama" kept flipping to "John McCain".

In both counties, Republicans are responsible for overseeing elections. Both county clerks said the problem is isolated.

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Isolated today, wide spread on Nov 4th.

Never used to be the suspicious type but W and the neocons changed all that.

If you aint suspicious, you aint payin attention.

Don't worry, the 2 million dead people ACORN signed up will cancel out these few!

Oh looky at elcid deflect. Deflect elcid deflect. Perhaps you could stay on topic if that isn't too much to ask.

This should anger every single American not just Democrats.

This should anger every single American not just Democrats.

#3 | Posted by 726

Maybe after three more elections go down this way. Until then....

Nader's Fault.

LOL

Voter fraud is unheard of in the US. That was generally because of the fact that everyone whispered about it. Such well known cities as Chicago certainly have colorful voting systems. Vote early and often was commonly heard in this burg. The cometary vote has always been a large block both here and elsewhere.

There is an element in all political parties that believe that any method to help ensure that the right thinking man got elected. Our population has greatly increased and as a result so has the degree of enthused vote "getting". This may be known to most as "voter fraud".

Changing this will be hard and require the aid of neutral voter observing and the same type of law enforcement. Good luck on both.

Am I cynical? Damned right, aren't you?

The real Republican strategy is beginning to reveal itself.

again
republicans should

"acorn's bad pile has.. oh no.. bad registrations!"

as a deflection
while they commit the voter fraud themselves

elcid
should be elcheat

The real Republican strategy is beginning to reveal itself.

#7 | Posted by danni

Beginning?

Like I said....

Nader's fault.

stealbackyourvote.org

Hag,


According to Danni, ONLY Republicans are capable of fraud.

Apparently, worldview defines personal character and integrity.

I blame the Democrats for this.

Why? Because in any close election -- and this one is still close -- Bush's buddy and big campaign donor who is the Republican owner of the Diebold paperless trail e-voting machines makes sure his machines always work their "magic" to make up the needed votes to swing an election.

The Democrats have known this. It was proven in Ohio in 2004 when almost all the exit polls showed Kerry winning but the Diebold machines either broke down, or gave "fuzzy math" and with no papertrail there was no way to keep real track of the votes.

The Democrats knew this and should have rioted on the steps of the Capital Building to make sure these "Republican-friendly" Diebold e-voting machines were made invalid and no longer used or, at the very least, all of them provided a papertrail.

It has always been only the Republicans who ALWAYS voted against any kind of papertrail or receipt of how someone voted. Now why do you think that is? Because when it comes to a tight election these paperless trail evoting machines are rigged to swing the vote ever so slightly over to a Republican win.

Watch Ohio and any of the swing states where Obama and McCain are only single digits apart. McCain will carry those states with the help of Diebold and ES&S -- all Republican owned, paperless trail, e-voting machines.

Would you go to an ATM and deposit $1000 and be satisfied with no paper receipt from the bank? Of course not. Yet we let hundreds of thousands of votes be counted by Diebold and ES&S with no paper trail.

If this election is handed to McCain you can blame the Democrat Congress for not doing everything in their power to demand a papertrail.

Voting Machines Prefer McCain.

"And that my friends is how we will snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. This should drive more Dems to vote though. Hehehe. Wait til' the Dems find out (after the election) that Obama votes counted as McCain votes. And they thought graduating at the bottom of my class didn't make me smart."

Sincerely,

John

I suppose this woman and her family members are all liars?

Shelba Ketchum, a 69-year-old nurse retired from Thomas Memorial Hospital, described what happened Friday at the Putnam County Courthouse in Winfield.

"I pushed buttons and they all came up Republican," she said. "I hit Obama and it switched to McCain. I am really concerned about that. If McCain wins, there was something wrong with the machines.

"I asked them for a printout of my votes," Ketchum said. "But they said it was in the machine and I could not get it. I did not feel right when I left the courthouse. My son felt the same way.

"I heard from some other people they also had trouble. But no one in there knew how to fix it," said Ketchum, who is not related to Menis Ketchum, a Democratic Supreme Court candidate.

Ketchum's son, Chris, said he had the same problem. And Bobbi Oates of Scott Depot said her vote for incumbent Democratic Sen. John D. Rockefeller was switched to GOP opponent Jay Wolfe....


According to Danni, ONLY Republicans are capable of fraud.
Apparently, worldview defines personal character and integrity.

#10 | Posted by JeffJ

Clearly you don't know anything about Danni's and my ongoing argument (well I'm the only one continuing it since she basically ignores me now... *sheds a tear... *snicker).

I'm definitely not agreeing with anything you may take me to mean, Jeff.

The Democrats knew this and should have rioted on the steps of the Capital Building to make sure these "Republican-friendly" Diebold e-voting machines were made invalid and no longer used or, at the very least, all of them provided a papertrail.

Do you ever wonder why they haven't?

Hag,

I'm definitely not agreeing with anything you may take me to mean, Jeff.

I know that.

I am sorry if I came across to the contrary.


You are one of the most reasonable persons on this blog, regardless of leanings.

If you construed my comments otherwise, then I apologize.

I suppose this woman and her family members are all liars?


Possible. they could be idiots also.

Of course I need to add that I'm not saying they are but that it is possible.

Otherwise I will get a position assigned to me by a bunch of blathering idiots.

Would you go to an ATM and deposit $1000 and be satisfied with no paper receipt from the bank? Of course not. Yet we let hundreds of thousands of votes be counted by Diebold and ES&S with no paper trail.

If this election is handed to McCain you can blame the Democrat Congress for not doing everything in their power to demand a papertrail.

#11 | Posted by CalifChris

Its not every day I get to say this, but....

Agreed, CC.

Are you up for the down stroke, CC?

ElCid

You don't understand about ACORN do you. You are exactly the type of voter McCain needs. Too stupid to understand the issues.

Tell me about ACORN--I'd like the laugh. How does what ACORN did help Obama? How will Obama benefit by what ACORN did? Why did ACORN do what they did? Come on puppet, the dance isn't finished.

;-)

You are one of the most reasonable persons on this blog, regardless of leanings.

If you construed my comments otherwise, then I apologize.

#16 | Posted by JeffJ

I got it. No apologies necessary.

Wait, "regardless of leanings?"

LOL.

Isloated incident? Did the voting machine have a label DIEBOLD!?

Oh, now HERE is a surprise. NOT.

Isloated incident? Did the voting machine have a label DIEBOLD!?
#21 | Posted by Monstman
Of course not. Now their name is Premier Election Systems.

Do you ever wonder why they haven't?

#15 | Posted by eberly at 2008-10-20 02:50 PM

I sure have wondered why the Democrats turn a blind eye to these paperless trail e-voting machines.

I also wondered why the morning following the 2004 election John Kerry conceded the election to Bush only hours after losing when he had vowed he was going to have lawyers at all the polls and there were rampant allegations of e-voting machines screwing up -- especially in Ohio. Kerry shrugged his shoulders the morning after the election and more or less said "Well, guess I lost" even though in Ohio ALL the time-tested exit polls showed a win for Kerry. Had he won Ohio he would have won the election.

I often feel it was already decided beforehand between Kerry and Bush to give Bush the win but they just put on a good show for the public. ALL of Congress was making a fortune off Bush's sleezy underhanded and fraudulent policies -- like allowing total deregulation of Wall Street trading among many others.

The corporations picked Bush to win -- Bush won -- twice.
The corporations have picked McCain to win -- so McCain will win.
Not by much so as not to arouse too much suspicion, but I predict a McCain win thanks to Diebold.

And ANY politician who makes too big a stink about the corporate "chosen one" winning or questions too closely the number of votes will themselves be destroyed and out of a job when it comes to their own next election.

The fix is in.

The corporations picked Bush to win -- Bush won -- twice.
The corporations have picked McCain to win -- so McCain will win.
Not by much so as not to arouse too much suspicion, but I predict a McCain win thanks to Diebold.


And ANY politician who makes too big a stink about the corporate "chosen one" winning or questions too closely the number of votes will themselves be destroyed and out of a job when it comes to their own next election.


this is a pretty big conspiracy Chris.

So, Obama is going to lose and he already knows it?

The fix is in.

#24 | Posted by CalifChris at 2008-10-20 03:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Personally I think the fix is in for Obama to win. We shall see who is correct.

Hey, for all you doubters, we have actual video of the voting scandal in West Virginia:
www.metacafe.com

Canada still uses paper and a no.2 pencil.
A member from each of their 5 (that's right 5) parties are there to watch over the process personally.
It works for them, and it could work for us just as easily.

Electronic voting machines and hackers go together hand in hand.

The people of the US need to demand written ballots.

This article proves the need for fair elections.

WV has been labeled "racist" but I have many friends in WV and they are pro-Obama. So much for all of them being "ignorant hick racists." They are not all racist.
Most of them are supporting Obama.

The scary part is when the machine "records" your vote as something it was not.

This needs to be fixed and people calling their reps demanding it be investigated (and remedied if need be) will get their attention.

"Democrats knew this and should have rioted ... Do you ever wonder why they haven't?"

Eberly asks a rare - exceedingly rare, for him - thought-provoking question. The answer may be the poor working slobs - Joe Sikspaks, if you will - anesthetized by decades of Republican bullshit. If any rioted, they'd immediately be besieged by rigid righties screaming "why do you hate America?" herm

The answer may be the poor working slobs - Joe Sikspaks, if you will - anesthetized by decades of Republican bullshit.

So, in your opinion, it it still the republicans fault why democrats won't do anything?

You are as bad as danni and buffalobob

So much for all of them being "ignorant hick racists." They are not all racist.

Of course not, only the ones NOT voting for Obama are.

-the left.

The bullshit of many of you DR lefties is as thick as any bullshit ever thrown and the only ones that seem anesthitized by it are their fellow DR lefties. So Herm....you hypothesis doesn't ring true.

In both counties, Republicans are responsible for overseeing elections.

Acornicans!

Diebold is obviously not anti-American.

Hehehehe..... maybe the machines think Obama is socialist and business-unfriendly......

"West Virginia Voting Machines Prefer McCain"

ACORN! ACORN! ACORN! ACORN! oh... um, wait.

- the right

"Clearly you don't know anything about Danni's and my ongoing argument (well I'm the only one continuing it since she basically ignores me now... *sheds a tear... *snicker)."

I'm not ignoring anyone, just working my ass off right now. No time for posting for a while unless I do it at home but usually after being in front of a computer all day I don't want to sit in front of one at home.

I'm not ignoring anyone, just working my ass off right now.
#36 | Posted by danni

Good to hear on both counts. Hard work is good for the soul and all.

Looking forward to further mutual antagonization.

"This should anger every single American not just Democrats."

#3 | Posted by 726

Only if it benefits republicans. If it benefits the dems, it's just a distraction.

There is a difference between registering Mickey Mouse and rigging voting machines.

One is a stupid prank which will not effect the final outcome. It has provided some signature gatherers a quick buck.

The other puts another Rethuglican partner in crime into office against the will of the people. (Not that there aren't any Democratic crooks).

By controlling the White House they are able to squelch investigations of themselves, just like a dictator.

"""Canada still uses paper and a no.2 pencil.
A member from each of their 5 (that's right 5) parties are there to watch over the process personally.
It works for them, and it could work for us just as easily."""

I always wondered how any of you accepted a voting system that cannot be verified, that leaves no paper trail. Seems like an open invitation for abuse, no?

"By controlling the White House they are able to squelch investigations of themselves, just like a dictator."

That will come as a big surprise to Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton.

The video of Homer Simpson trying to vote for Obama was hilarious.

Unfortunately, 20th Century Fox pulled it off of YouTube.

What total trash. In a state with a democratic Governor, dem representatives and democratic senators, ruled by a democratic party, they blame WHAT on republicans???

directory.usayfoundation.org

That's like blaming republicans for disenfranchising palm beach voters...with a voting ballot designed BY DEMOCRATS.

If you want proof of disenfrachising voters, talk to Acorn. By diluting voting roles with stiffs, they are disenfranchising legitimate voters!

By diluting voting roles with stiffs, they are disenfranchising legitimate voters!

#43 | Posted by DavetheWave

What?

"Which brings us to ACORN. Obama's longtime ally is now being investigated in at least 14 different states for election fraud. Cynically, Obama is banking on the fact that most people don't grasp the state/federal distinction. By taking aim at the Justice Department, his letter obscures the fact that the numerous investigations of ACORN have been undertaken not by DOJ but by state authorities and in some instances by Democrat law-enforcement officials who find themselves unable to turn a blind-eye to ACORN's blatant tactics."

"For example, in Nevada, where ACORN appears to have submitted thousands of phony voter registrations including filings on behalf of the Dallas Cowboys' star players the FBI participated with other agencies in a raid on ACORN's Las Vegas office. But the investigation is being run by state authorities, not the feds.

The choice to use the Cowboys makes perfect sense, for when it comes to fraud, ACORN truly is America's Team. As Jim Hoft details in a useful Pajamas Media account, "The Complete Guide to ACORN Voter Fraud," state agencies are examining ACORN's activities not just in Nevada but in North Carolina, Ohio, Indiana, Connecticut, Missouri, Pennsylvania, Florida, Texas, Michigan, and New Mexico (where Iglesias may be gone but ACORN is alive and well).

This year alone, ACORN has filed 1.3 million voter registrations, and already without thorough scrutiny by forensic law-enforcement investigators tens of thousands of them are known to be fraudulent. The group, moreover, is known to have bribed voters to register dozens of times and to have hired convicted felons as registration recruiters.

Interestingly, ACORN's Nevada program is known as "Project Vote." As detailed by Steve Gilbert at Sweetness & Light, Project Vote has long been ACORN's "voter mobilization" arm. In 1992, it was directed in Chicago by a young "community organizer" named Barack Obama. The resulting registration of 150,000 new voters became the springboard for his political career. As observed about Obama's efforts by top ACORN agitator Madeline Talbott (a staunch proponent of the lawlessness ACORN euphemistically calls "direct action"): "Barack has proven himself among our members. He is committed to organizing, to building a democracy. Above all else, he is a good listener, and we accept and respect him as a kindred spirit, a fellow organizer."


Complement s NRO

"ACORN is not just carrying out voter fraud in the here and now. Over the years, as Hoft recounts, several its operatives have been convicted for these activities. And how could it be otherwise? What voters need to understand is that ACORN is a revolutionary Leftist organization. It was founded in 1970 by Wade Rathke, a former member of the SDS (Students for a Democratic Society) the Communist organization from which Bill Ayers' Weatherman terrorist group split off in the late Sixties. It is adherent to the radical principles of Saul Alinsky, of whom Obama is a disciple in fact, he authored a chapter in an anthology called After Alinsky: Community Organizing in Illinois.

Under the aforementioned heading of "direct action," ACORN has made fraud, extortion, harassment, and menacing core parts of its modus operandi. As a matter of principle, ACORN believes that the established bourgeois American order is racist, materialist, imperialist and illegitimate. ACORN no more cares about election laws than about other laws it decides must be circumvented in the service of the higher purpose it reveres: "Change."

By diluting voting roles with stiffs, they are disenfranchising legitimate voters!

#43 | Posted by DavetheWave

Feel like answering the question?

ACORN vs. Diebold is the real election. The candidates are just pawns.

Nice accusation (just in time for the election) but ACORN has been CONVICTED of nothing. The voting machines are another matter. They make our democracy a joke.

the republicans fault why democrats won't do anything?
You are as bad as danni and buffalobob

#30 | POSTED BY EBERLY

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No, the democrats have falsely put their faith in the system to protect their vote from this type of crap.

The 30 second mentality of the American public lends to the powers at be paying lip service to this issue.

That would be because Nixon and Clinton appointed Attorneys General who actually believed in the LAW!

That chuckle and laugh you hear are coming from most African countries, Iraq and Vietnam because our country has become a FUCKING joke. Isolated my ass. If this becomes more of a widespread problem, I rather see this country split in two and take the "United" out of the United States.

ACORN
Joe the Plummer
Obama's a Muslim
Michelle's unpatriotic
Sadam had weapons of mass destruction
Kerry didn't earn his medals
Gore says he invented the internet
The republican lies go on and on.

ACORN is not the worst Repub lie. I understand that ACORN has not done anything wrong yet, but if Mickey Mouse shows up to vote, he'd better produce some proof of who he is. Not just Minnie. herm

Electronic voting machines are supposed to be idiot-proof, but I suppose that West Virginia democrats will still need extra help in the booths.

if Mickey Mouse shows up to vote, he'd better produce some proof of who he is. Not just Minnie. herm

#54 | Posted by herm at 2008-10-20 07:34 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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Minnie is on the outs anyway.

Reports are......






she's fuckin' goofy.

Keep in mind that a Dem hasn't won the WH without WV since 1917....


It is funny as fuck that you libtards have no problem believing anything negative you see on the web pertaining to your opponent, but won't condemn your own party for the first infraction, no matter how small...


Can you say......Hypocrite?

Keep in mind that a Dem hasn't won the WH without WV since 1917....

Am1st

No Republican has won the WH without a majority of Electoral Votes. Take a look at RealClearPolitics.com

Obama has kept his message consistent all election season.

McCain's changes daily. By now they've thrown everything in the house but the sink. Still 14 days to go for that to happen. He doesn't seem to have a message. Changes every day.

It's as though the right wingers are zombies who are reprogrammed once a week with a new word.

In a monotone robotic voices they walk the Earth with dead eyes saying, "Ay - ers" "A - Corn"

The fact that the right is attempting to make a huge issue out of ACORN is a testament to how desperate they are to find something, anything, to dirty Obama's image in the public's eye.

I don't think Diebold is going to keep Obama out of the White House and phony voter registrations aren't going to put him in. What scares the right is that people are listening to Obama's positions on the issues and ignoring the right's tried and true fallback of swift boat antics.

DAVETHEWAVE - Write a book on ACORN, but nobody cares about it or Ayers. Call Obama a left wing, revolutionary radical and in this election, in the mainstream public's eye, it only makes YOU look like a right wing fanatic. You aren't convincing a swing voter, you're simply preaching to the choir. One of Powell's given reasons for backing Obama is the right's obsessive focus on these non-issues while ignoring the real ones.

This ACORN thing is such bullshit.

Organizations that do voter registration drives are required by law to turn in all forms generated.

Not only is it not their job to weed out the fraudulent registrations, they are legally prevented from doing so.

It is the duty of the respective state governments to verify registration and control voting.

The fraud in these cases is being committed against ACORN, since they pay for the names, rather than by them.

If stupidity was votes, a Democrat would never be elected again.

Davethewave

How does ACORN turn fraudulent voter registration in to fraudulent votes?

Explain please.

Can you explain how an ACORN rep who fills out a frudulent form so he gets the cash for the registration, turns that frudulent registration into a vote?

"If this election is handed to McCain you can blame the Democrat Congress for not doing everything in their power to demand a papertrail." #11 | Posted by CalifChris


Gee CC with that argument maybe I might vote Democrat after all if they're that ineffectual at getting anything done how can they possible pass their agenda?

Nah why take a chance I'm still gonna be voting 3rd party candidates this year and every year until the Democrats and Republicans stop their mutual BS sullying of American values and traditions.

"I rather see this country split in two and take the 'United' out of the United States."

The blue country would have health care and education for all. The red one would return to slavery. Maybe not a bad idea if we subsidize those who wish to move. herm

Funny how ATM's hardly ever make a mistake and voting machines malfunction so often. Funny how bank and credit card company websites almost always function perfectly. How difficult is it to figure out which area of a screen was touched, give back a response confirming it and store the result? How difficult is it to produce hard copy and an audit trail if needed? If it's not deliberate fraud the programming and the quality control must be done by morons. Are we outsourcing this to Asia or something? It's only our democratic process at risk and what's that when compared to a few million bucks profit?

"How does ACORN turn fraudulent voter registration in to fraudulent votes?
Explain please.
Can you explain how an ACORN rep who fills out a frudulent form so he gets the cash for the registration, turns that fraudulent registration into a vote?

#62 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

Gee Bob let's see how does voter fraud work? Some ways a bogus voter may vote

1. Casts multiple votes
2. Casts a dead person's vote
3. Votes although precluded by law from voting

How would someone do it? Perhaps by having a list of bogus voters, and driving around to different voting places and casting multiple ballots?

The brazen hypocrasy of the dr left know NO bounds.

Ah, the ACORN bashing idiots!

THEY turned in the questionable registrations in a separate pile noted s such.

DAVE, are you aware there have only been 150 cases of voter fraud since 2002? Are you aware 'voter fraud' only takes place if you show up to vote with a fraudulent registration card?

Didn't think so.

"I heard from some other people they also had trouble. But no one in there knew how to fix it,"

Assuming this is a true statement. Do they know how to write "Out of Order" on a piece of cardboard and to tape that cardboard to the machine?

If the people responsible for the machines are agreeing that they are broken (saying you don't know how to fix it is an ackowledgement that it is broke) then why would they allow people to keep using those machines?

If the people responsible for the machines are agreeing that they are broken (saying you don't know how to fix it is an ackowledgement that it is broke) then why would they allow people to keep using those machines?

Posted by Sully

The Precinct Worker?

Speaking of McCain, his running mate just did the bravest thing any radical right wing evangelical VP candadite who doesn't speak to the press could do:

Did an interview with Pat Robertson on the 700 Club

(TV was on the local NBC affiliate from having the Today Show on earlier)

How would someone do it? Perhaps by having a list of bogus voters, and driving around to different voting places and casting multiple ballots?

#66 | Posted by DavetheWave

You do realize, even if this is done, how many tens of thousands of people would be necessary for this to make a difference? The coordination it would take?

Gee Bob let's see how does voter fraud work? Some ways a bogus voter may vote


1. Casts multiple votes

The people of ACORN weren't registering voters to VOTE---they were filing false voter registrations to get PAID. There was no voter that was going to show up to vote. That wasn't the intent. The intent was to get paid for the voter registration.


2. Casts a dead person's vote

They weren't regisering dead people--and if they were--it would make no difference. There was no voter that was going to show up to vote. That wasn't the intent. The intent was to get paid for the voter registration.


3. Votes although precluded by law from voting

There was no voter that was going to show up to vote. That wasn't the intent. The intent was to get paid for the voter registration.


How would someone do it? Perhaps by having a list of bogus voters, and driving around to different voting places and casting multiple ballots?

And how did they get all those IDs to show when they showed up to vote?


The brazen hypocrasy of the dr left know NO bounds.

The stupidity of those on the right is unmatched. They vote for Bush twice and whine when they can't get more of the same.

Listen idiot---there was never a large influx of fictitious voters in any election. It was never the voters that cheated---it was the parties that fixed the election. If you are talking about the 1960 election in Chicago--it wasn't the voters that were the problem---it was the politicians that cheated. Same with 2000 and 2004. It wasn't the voters that cheated--it weas the politicians and voting machines--not the voters.

ACORN isn't about faulty votes---none of the faulty registrations will turn up as a vote. ACORN is about faulty registrations because they get paid by the number of registrations.

You are simply an idiot. A partisan idiot--the worst kind.


#66 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2008-10-21 07:11 AM | Reply | Flag

from above...

"Gee Bob let's see how does voter fraud work? Some ways a bogus voter may vote

1. Casts multiple votes
2. Casts a dead person's vote
3. Votes although precluded by law from voting"

Yeah, and didn't Ann Coulter admit to doing just
that in the last election (points 1 & 3 above). She admitted it laughing and flaunting how she didn't get busted voting in her state and voting
in a neighboring state.

No. 2 pencil...I am all for that. Every voter should at least be given the option of using a paper
ballot, and no precinct should be presided over by the members of only one political party...

Every voter should at least be given the option of using a paper
ballot, and no precinct should be presided over by the members of only one political party...

I'll see that and raise:

No absentee ballots - you can't show up for one of the most important rights you have - you don't get to use it.

Must show picture ID with correct address. - don't have one - sorry no vote.

And on my wish list - you must know who the presidents running mate is - sorry Brooklyn.

"No absentee ballots - you can't show up - you don't get to use it."

I trust Cidney knows that absentees usually go Republican in greater numbers. herm

"No absentee ballots - you can't show up for one of the most important rights you have - you don't get to use it."

ElCid: out to disenfranchise the blind, lame, or out-of-town.

I trust Cidney knows that absentees usually go Republican in greater numbers. herm

#75 | Posted by herm

Yep. Don't care. You don't show up, you don't get to vote. Military exceptions would have to be made - I am sure you could get a voting booth in Germany, Iraq, S. Korea - etc. Expats - sorry, come home and vote. Or vote early - at a polling location. Get rid of electronic voting machines. Get rid of exit polling - get rid of news coverage until the polls close over the entire country.

See HERM, I don't like to lose - but I don't like cheaters more - left an opening there - so if Americans choose obammy - I have to live with it - if ACORN chooses obammy - it pisses me off - if diebold chooses McCain - it pisses me off.

One man one vote. End of story.

ElCid: out to disenfranchise the blind, lame, or out-of-town.

#76 | Posted by Danforth

The blind can't get to a voting booth? The lame - well I would like it if libs did not vote but....

Out of town - as I said, the most important right you have as an American - get your ass home. Early voting is going on for the next two weeks in Texas, surely you could make that time window.

Yeah, but I don't live in Texas.

So, we must show a photo ID with the correct address . . . hmmm, how are they going to ascertain that on election day? Maybe we should simply restrict it to white male property owners. Worked in the past.

So if you're homeless and a citizen and a veteran, you have no right to vote.

Let's see Gore got 543,895 more of the popular votes than Bush and lost. You can put up with the myth of ACORN voters if we have to deal with the Supreme Court.


.......wonder why we are so keen to export democracy when we have such a tenuous concept of it ourselves........

So if you're homeless and a citizen and a veteran, you have no right to vote. - bebop

So if you're homeless how do you know anything about the candidates? TV? Internet? Newspaper? Of course most obammy supporters have access to these sources and still want to vote for the little socialist.

So, we must show a photo ID with the correct address . . . hmmm, how are they going to ascertain that on election day?

Should match the address you used to register - if not, bring an electric bill with your name on it. Had to do it to register my child for school - oh yeah, no absentee ballot for that - which begs the question what do homeless kids do?

"We need to know the full extent of Sen. Obama's relationship with ACORN, who is now on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy."

It is hard not to laugh at such an outrageous statement.


If anything is is "destroying the fabric of democracy" it is this type of thing making it seem as it our votes are being manipulated.

Why isn't McCain outraged by this? Because it doesn't make a good Zinger.

ELCID just for the hell of it I'd like to know if you are really so stupid that you believe all the bull shit about ACORN or if you are just using the talking point because you don't have any real arguments?

Which is it???

Are we sure that this happened? Nobody in West Virginia can read, so what if they just didn't know what the screen said.

I suspect that West Virginia is one state where "Lipstick on a Pig" isn't an Obama quote -- it's a typical prom date.

West Virginia: 1,000,000 people... 4 last names.

Why do ducks fly upside down in West Virginia? There's nothing worth crapping on.

How can you tell that the toothbrush was invented in West Virginia? Because if it were invented anywhere else, it would be called a "teethbrush."



That state is so full of inbred, redneck hillbillies -- can't we just sell that state to Canada to pay off the National Debt?

Cidney would disenfranchise the homeless, as they don't read papers or watch TV. Cid might go for one vote per TV set in the house, one vote per weekly subscribed to. two for each daily. One vote extra to him who can read, two if Republican. One more for each DR handle you've ever posted under ... herm

Gotta have a fall-back excuse for failure -- just in case the 'voter fraud' bullshit doesn't stick.

With Osama ahead in the all the polls -- within the margin of error -- it's vital for Dems to line up their whiny excuses.

We can't have Liberals stepping back and asking themselves why they've had such pathetic candidates since 1968.

Democrats love to bitch about what they think Republicans have done in the White House, but always refuse to consider the pathetic alternatives they've offered.

McGovern: the biggest failure until Mondale
Carter: such a wiener that he barely beat Ford after Watergate
Mondale: Worse than Bob Dole; the sacrifical lamb for Reagan
Clinton: He won with 43% -- only thanks to Perot
AlgoreKerryBot: So lame that Bush beat them

But still, make up lame-ass excuses for your failures. It will be hugely funny if McCain wins by a sliver, and all you clowns post -- once again -- all the stupid blamestorms you always have.

Ask Herm. He insists that Liberals are never wrong

"With Osama ahead in the all the polls -- within the margin of error"

Vernon's calculator is obviously working overtime.

"Gotta have a fall-back excuse for failure
#86 | Posted by vernon at 2008-10-22 12:02 PM"


From the perspective of the product that is your life?

Obviously.

"With Obama "ahead in the all the polls -- within the margin of error --
#86 | Posted by vernon at 2008-10-22 12:02 PM "

But, of course, you're right, so very right Vermin.

Well, except for a few, such as: Obama's lead in 20 states with 255 electoral votes.

Oh, and:

Reuters/Zogby (10/19-21)
Gallup (1/18-10/20)
NBC News/WSJ (10/17-20)
McClatchy/Ipsos Public Affairs (10/16-20)
Pew Research Center/PSRA/Abt SRBI
WP/ABC News (10/16-19)
CBS News/NYT (10/17-19)

And a few others (www.dcpoliticalreport.com)

But except for that, yup, yessiree, you're right on, target noodle boy.

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