Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Thursday, October 16, 2008

A local Republican party website in Sacramento, CA called for Barack Obama to be waterboarded -- that is until the local newspaper picked up the story. By Tuesday night, much of the questionable material -- which ranged from depicting Obama in a turban to attacking Michelle Obama -- had been removed.

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repudiate that johnny mccaini

why? the water would just run right off him!

"why? the water would just run right off him!

#2 | Posted by nanc at 2008-10-15 11:57 PM"

And here I thought you'd say Sen. Obama would turn it into wine...

I don't think you will ever get the truth out him. Don't waste the water.

That reflects really well on the mentality of those people. And just one reason I refer to them as repulsicans. And hey, what about Grampy Poopy Pants attempt to imitate Darth Cheney's sneer last night? I gave it a 5 out of 10. Good effort, but there's only one Darth Cheney, after all and as grouchy and irritable as Grampy is, he still can't hold a candle to ol' Darth himself.

Dawn,

You rip on Darth Cheney, but have you ever seen him wield a lightsaber?

Bumper sticker:

LIBERAL WITH A GUN!

For some reason I read this headline as "Sacrament TO Republicans: Waterboard Obama"

Although out of millions, a few would be out of control and saying outrageous things, I still condemn it. (Liberals should be reminded of the trrible things they have saying about Bush and Cheney too --- Bush will exit office with dignity and vindication!)

Give Obama respect! Either he will be President next or he will never be President! Its now or never for Obama (for McCain too).

(A correction: The man of Irish descent for the White House will be in 2016).

That said, I still believe McCain/Palin will be entering the White House come January 2008.

Oh Ohio!

You know, I seem to remember a lot of conservatives several years ago saying that we should support Bush "because he is the president." I'm wondering if Obama wins, if the same sentiment will be extended to him.

Why is the main piss stream media so upset with attacks on Obama and silent when dems slimed Palin's baby and daughter? The Fourth Estate couldn't be an arm of the DNC....Nooooo!!

BobDylan,

You ask an excellent question.


Answering for myself - Yes, I will be supportive of an Obama presidency.

If I disagree with him, I will vocalize it. However, I don't think he's a reprehensible person.

Given his politics, I suspect I will disagree with much of what he does.

I hope the right-wingers are "fair" in their criticisms of him. It is counter-productive to re-tread the reflexive hatred of Reagan, Clinton and BushII.

Having said that, if the Democratic party, in a fit of drunken power and brazenness, resurrects the "Fairness Doctrine" - the gloves come off.

January 2009.

"when dems slimed Palin's baby and daughter?"

YEAH!

How can you slime Props?

Maybe she should leave them at home next time! Its pretty sad that Palin use's them as an accesory like Paris Hilton does with her ugly dog!

" in a fit of drunken power and brazenness, resurrects the "Fairness Doctrine" - the gloves come off."

YEAH!

Except this position flys in the face of the "liberul media is so unfair" chant!

Finally, Sarah Palin called in and made nice on behalf of McCain with Rush Limbaugh --- and those liteners have not been polled yet.

Rush has been chastising McCain, but once Rush cooled down and give a green light --- well, give him a chance sort of thing --- the maverick will get some boost.

If Corsi's Kenya report get traction, Obama will diminish in favorability.

Fuck the redneck conservative racist assholes.

LIBERAL WITH A GUN - ENJOYS SHOOTING REDNECKS!

They want a civil war lets give it to them.

It's getting so that when Republicans don't lie and don't make outrageous, unfounded accusations about BArack Obama it's news. I think that voters are beginning to realize who the Republican Party really represents and they are choosing to vote for Obama and Democrats because of it.
When most Americans realize that the Republican Party accurately represents the likes of FWTHOM, TAKEITEZ and others they want nothing to do with it.

Last time I was down south, most of the rednecks with guns that I met were dems!!! Hmmmmm.

Libs say that using children as politicl punching bags is great sport. Did you hear that both of Flops kids are actually love children from affairs with two different crack whores and at least one of them is pregnant even though shes only 9 years old and the other one had three late term abortions? The liberal web site I read it on couldn't be lying.

Did you miss it when Mr. Affirmative Action brought his two nappy headed whores out on stage?

#20 | Posted by fwthom at 2008-10-16 10:18 AM


First, show us where Obama got assistance from Affirmative Action (and then compare it to McSame's entry to Annapolis) and second, Obama's kids are off studying while the Witch of the North keeps dragging her brood around with her like, well, like it was said elsewhere, like Paris Hilton and her ugly dog.

"A local Republican party website in Sacramento, CA called for Barack Obama to be waterboarded...."

Don't worry, I'm sure Jobama has already called the FBI on them....

Bellaspapa. I think two of McCains kids are on active military duty and one is in the Naval Academy. One of Palins kids is also in Iraq and the others are being schooled on the road. She should leave them at home???????.

What does affermative action have to do with McCain going to the Academy?????

"Bush will exit office with dignity and vindication"

Only if he adopts two puppies before he leaves, and names them "Dignity" and "Vindication".


Fuck the redneck conservative racist assholes.

LIBERAL WITH A GUN - ENJOYS SHOOTING REDNECKS!

They want a civil war lets give it to them.


I don't think you realize the sleeping giant that is about to awaken. You go right ahead and give it to us. But I think you're going to be quite suprised at the ferocity that is going to be coming at you and your ilk. The civil war has already begun, and even now our side is marshaling...and I ain't talkin' rednecks or Confederate flag folk.

You need us to be crazy rednecks who are inbred freaks. You need us to be the stereotypical image you have of us...you know, the ones who live in trailor parks, watch NASCAR, and clutch bibles, that narrow minded minority who live in guarded Ruby Ridge communities? You need us to be this way, because the alternative is terrifying.

And what is that alternative? Simply this: we are legion. We are your next door neighbor, your fellow grocer, your kids' school teacher, your colleague at work...etc. We are the ones who are everywhere around you, the same who are fed up and getting ready.

I don't think you're aware of what's coming at you when you liberals finally get your way. There is a war coming. Indeed, it's at the door!

Actually, you're NOT my next door neighbor, unless you've put up OBAMA/BIDEN signs.

"And what is that alternative? Simply this: we are legion. We are your next door neighbor, your fellow grocer, your kids' school teacher, your colleague at work...etc. We are the ones who are everywhere around you, the same who are fed up and getting ready. "

Fed up with what? You retards have had your way for eight years and have fucked this country in the ass every day during your reign. You pissed that you didn't get the chance to finish the job and have the US totally disolve?

And none of my neighbors are as idiotic as the author of this nonsense.

Obama bragged about taking advantage of affirmative action in his book. He also said that he just smoked crack and played basketball instead of hitting the books, but white professors in the William Ayers clan passed him along all the way. Now we're stuck with the MF.

Sully you might want to rethink. The Dems have run the Congress for the last two years and succeded to get themselves rate the worst Congress ever. Also a whole lot of Dems voted to go into Iraq. I can't wait until we have totally unchecked Dems. Break out the tin cups!

Ledball's right...the world is black and white. There is no room for grey. Dems had a majority in the house for 2 years, therefore they are responsible for everything bad that has happened. Some dems voted for the war authorization, therefore the reasoning for and conduct of the war is their fault.

Now fear, FEAR I say!

What a maroon.

In the spirit of bipartisanship, I believe we should waterboard both candidates.

What does affermative action have to do with McCain going to the Academy?????

#25 | Posted by ledball

Are you serious with this question? Do you think a dill-weed like McSame could get in the academy on his own merit (i.e. without the Admirals help)? And then let him become a pilot with sub-par grades and serious personality issues?

Bwaaa-Haaaa-Haaaa

"The Dems have run the Congress for the last two years and succeded to get themselves rate the worst Congress ever."

By bending over for the GOP. Are you trying to pretend that the GOP hasn't had its way for the last eight years? Because I stopped playing make believe sometime during my childhood.

"Also a whole lot of Dems voted to go into Iraq."

I know. I don't like them either. But am I supposed to pretend that Iraq was the Dems' idea or that if they were in charge we'd be in Iraq?

Grow up. Stop being such a hack.

"Obama bragged about taking advantage of affirmative action in his book. He also said that he just smoked crack and played basketball instead of hitting the books, but white professors in the William Ayers clan passed him along all the way. Now we're stuck with the MF."

My BS detector is going ape-shit. Source for your outlandish and obviously emotion-driven claim please?

Hilarious sentiments too considering it is common undisputed knowledge that McCain was a class clown/all-around fuck-up while he attended the Naval Academy, while unprivileged people like Obama could only wish they had the coat-tails of a famous daddy to ride until they grew the f up.

FWTHOM, isn't it odd to you that the more you and your brethren spout off, the more independent voters are running away from your candidate with impunity. Just a thought to consider during the next Klan, I mean, Palin rally.

Just so we're clear, legacy admissions are not the same thing as affirmative action.... even if they amount to as much.


Did you miss it when Mr. Affirmative Action brought his two nappy headed whores out on stage?


#20 | Posted by fwthom at 2008-10-16 10:18 AM


Sorry, but Palin and her daughter are the WHORES!!!!

We really care about Sacramento Republicans in these serious financial times?

Sorry, but Palin and her daughter are the WHORES!!!!

Yup, if "loose lips sink ships" then the pair of them could prolly wipe out an entire navy.

Be Well.

"I don't think you realize the sleeping giant that is about to awaken. You go right ahead and give it to us. But I think you're going to be quite suprised at the ferocity that is going to be coming at you and your ilk. The civil war has already begun"

Said Charlie Manson

"when Mr. Affirmative Action brought his two nappy headed whores"

And Republicans wonder why they don't get the minority vote....

I think it would be MUCH more interesting to see what Dubya, Cheney, Condi, Hadley, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Wolfowitz, Feith, Perle, and Libby would have to say after a bit of waterboarding about the runup to the Iraq war, the treatment of detainees, and the massive eavesdropping intrusions into Americans' privacy (including the just-revealed fact that the Buhsies have been eavesdropping and recording the calls from American soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan home to family and loved ones - and then passing around the more salacious transcripts for each others' amusement).

Since these people are the ones who have declared that waterboarding is not torture, but a legitimate "aggressive" interrogation technique, surely they wouldn't mind allowing themselves to undergo the procedure themselves (no worse than fraternity hi-jinks according to Rush Limbaugh).

Just so we're clear, legacy admissions are not the same thing as affirmative action.... even if they amount to as much.

Well, unless you factor in talent.

Obama didn't get into Harvard just because he was black.

It was because he was black and smart.

McCain got into the Naval acadamy based purely on who his daddy and grand-daddy were.

That legacy also kept him from being kicked out several times.

And allowed him to squeak through graduation at the bottom of his class.

But other than that you have a point.

Be Well.

I think it would be MUCH more interesting to see what Dubya, Cheney, Condi, Hadley, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Wolfowitz, Feith, Perle, and Libby would have to say after a bit of waterboarding about the runup to the Iraq war, the treatment of detainees, and the massive eavesdropping intrusions into Americans' privacy (including the just-revealed fact that the Buhsies have been eavesdropping and recording the calls from American soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan home to family and loved ones - and then passing around the more salacious transcripts for each others' amusement).

~Bluesun

Ummm, pretty much THIS.

Wow, Spud is wanna subscribe to yer newsletter after that post.

Bluesun? Is Firefly reference, no?

"you can't take the sky from me"

Be Well.

McCain may have gotten into the Academy because his father and grandfather were famous 4-star Admirals. He certainly avoided getting washed out in disgrace because of his parent and grandparent. In a class of 899, he graduated fifth from the bottom.

He had so many demerits that dismissal was mandatory, but the top officials made a deal to cut his demerit list in half, letting him graduate by the skin of his teeth. Nobody else can remember such a deal being cut for a Naval Academy neer-do-well.

One of his fellow POWs in Hanoi, who also had a dorm room across from McCain at the Academy stated what many fellow students of the time asserted that only his lineage kept him in school and let him graduate.

Then there was his embarrassing tendency to crash planes by stalling out on landings (even McCain admits Bush was a better pilot than he was). Most fliers would lose their wings after just one pilot error crash and be reassigned, but McCain crashed some three planes, lost another in a multi-plane tragedy on a carrier, and then lost his fifth over Hanoi. If an enemy had destroyed five American fighters, he would have been made an Ace and given a medal. Maybe McCain still has such a medal from the NVA hidden in his sock drawer.

I'm a Leaf on the Wind. Watch how I soar!

Obama didn't get into Harvard just because he was black.

It was because he was black and smart.

If his grades were competetive, then its not affirmative action. The color of his skin would speak to the school's desire for diversity though.

I'm a Leaf on the Wind. Watch how I soar!

McCain shoulda took a flying lesson from that one.

^_^

Maybe McCain still has such a medal from the NVA hidden in his sock drawer

Yes, is in same drawer as the tape of propaganda videos he made fer the Vietnamese.

Be Well.

Sorry, but Palin and her daughter are the WHORES!!!!

#39 | Posted by Silence


Yup, if "loose lips sink ships" then the pair of them could prolly wipe out an entire navy.

#41 | Posted by dethspud


Is this a contest to see who can sink closest to FWThom's level?

If his grades were competetive, then its not affirmative action. The color of his skin would speak to the school's desire for diversity though.

~HC

The fact that he bacame the first black president of the Harvard Law Review would seem to indicate that his grades prolly were competitive.

Be Well.

Is this a contest to see who can sink closest to FWThom's level?

~Liveordie

Yeah, Spud felt a bit of a twinge after hitting post on that one.

Consider it a shot over FuckWit Thom's bow indicating that Spud can play that game too and Fuckwit doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning.

That sed, it was indeed unworthy of Spud and if the blog-god would like to delete it, it would prolly be a good thing.

Spud'll even flag it offensive hisself to get the process started.

/Also flagging FuckWit's bash at Michelle and the girls, of course.

Be Well.

Obama was admitted to Harvard via affirmative action?

That's the first I've heard of this.


This is a stupid attack - his university creds are pretty much impeccable. This tack obfuscates legitimate criticisms of "Barry the Fairy" - a nickname given to him by his inner-circle, and his dildo-loving wife.

-I'm a Leaf on the Wind. Watch how I soar!

A Serenity reference, Cool!



Spud'll even flag it offensive hisself to get the process started.

Flagging your own post?


That's pretty funny - in a good way.

Yeah, this should explain why obammy won't release his grades:

Change in Selection System

Mr. Obama was elected after a meeting of the review's 80 editors that convened Sunday and lasted until early this morning, a participant said.

Until the 1970's the editors were picked on the basis of grades, and the president of the Law Review was the student with the highest academic rank. Among these were Elliot L. Richardson, the former Attorney General, and Irwin Griswold, a dean of the Harvard Law School and Solicitor General under Presidents Lyndon B. Johnson and Richard M. Nixon.

That system came under attack in the 1970's and was replaced by a program in which about half the editors are chosen for their grades and the other half are chosen by fellow students after a special writing competition. The new system, disputed when it began, was meant to help insure that minority students became editors of The Law Review.

TO HELP INSURE THAT MINORITY STUDENTS BECAME EDITORS OF THE LAW REVIEW.

Looks like affirmitive action got him into Harvard, and president of the law review.

query.nytimes.com


Elcid,

Even if you somehow proved that Obama was granted admission and awarded editor of Harvard Law Review via affirmative action, you have yet to explain his graduating Summa Cum Laude. THAT is based on accomplishment.


Please stop this shit. It is so trite that you are forcing me to defend Obama, who I feel would be a dangerous prez.

That doesn't prove he got into harvard because of affirmative action. It also doesn't prove much about his becoming president of the law review, considering the fact that he graduated from Harvard Law with honors anyways. Or did that happen because of affirmative action too?

#53 | Posted by dethspud

Discussions such as these make me what to call up mom and dad and thank them for not being politicians. ;-)

Discussions such as these make me what to call up mom and dad and thank them for not being politicians. ;-)


Speaking of mom and dad...


Last night I learned that my dad lived on the same floor (at U of M) as Bill Ayers his freshman year in college. He didn't know him well, but well enough to acknowledge eachother on a first-name basis as they passed eachother in the hallway.

"He didn't know him well, but well enough to acknowledge eachother on a first-name basis as they passed eachother in the hallway."

Sounds like your dad is palling around with terrorists. Ayers probably ghost-wrote your dad's memoirs.

A Serenity reference, Cool!

~Corky.

Yes, Serenity was excellent movie but did you ever see the series it was based on?

"Firefly" kicked ass!

Go find it, buy it, watch it, luff it.

Take my love, take my land
Take me where I cannot stand
I don't care, I'm still free
You can't take the sky from me
Take me out to the black
Tell them I ain't comin' back
Burn the land and boil the sea
You can't take the sky from me
There's no place I can be
Since I found Serenity
But you can't take the sky from me...

Ballad of Serenity

Be Well.

The fact that he bacame the first black president of the Harvard Law Review would seem to indicate that his grades prolly were competitive.
#52 | Posted by dethspud

I'm not disagreeing with you. I don't think he was an affirmative action case.

That would speak to why he purposely misinterprets the intent behind AA and supports a redefinition of it to be poverty based.

Looks like affirmitive action got him into Harvard, and president of the law review.

query.nytimes.com


#57 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

You're just a hater-we can ignore you.

Sound familiar?

The other night I watched Frontline's show on Obama and McCain. What I found to be of special interest were the comments made about Obama by fellow students who were/are conservatives. For example, this from Bradford Berenson Harvard Law, class of '91; associate White House counsel, 2001-'03:

You don't become president of the Harvard Law Review, no matter how political, or how liberal the place is, by virtue of affirmative action, or by virtue of not being at the very top of your class in terms of legal ability. Barack was at the very top of his class in terms of legal ability. He had a first-class legal mind and, in my view, was selected to be president of the Review entirely on his merits. . . . .ultimately, the conservatives on the Review supported Barack as president in the final rounds of balloting because he fit that bill far better than the other people who were running. ...

We had all worked with him over the course of a year. And we had all spent countless hours in the presence of Barack, as well as others of our colleagues who were running, in Gannett House [the Law Review offices], and so you get a pretty good sense of people over the course of a year of late nights working on the Review. You know who the rabble-rousers are. You know who the people are who are blinded by their politics. And you know who the people are who, despite their politics, can reach across and be friendly to and make friends with folks who have different views. And Barack very much fell into the latter category. ...

To read more, go here:

www.pbs.org


'Tis funny, Joe!


I pressed my dad on this pretty hard when he revealed this last night.

This was his freshman year and "Bill" was a pretty nice guy.

My dad believes his turn toward radicalism occurred later as the guy he knew, albeit superficially, wasn't of that stripe.

Having said all of that, my dad thinks he's an utter sack-of-shit for his actions and would gladly kick him in his miniscule ball-sack if he encountered him today.

More from Berenson:

I think Barack took 10 times as much grief from those on the left on the Review as from those of us on the right. And the reason was, I think there was an expectation among those editors on the left that he would affirmatively use the modest powers of his position to advance the cause, whatever that was. They thought, you know, finally there's an African American president of the Harvard Law Review; it's our turn, and he should aggressively use this position, and his authority and his bully pulpit to advance the political or philosophical causes that we all believe in.

And Barack was reluctant to do that. It's not that he was out of sympathy with their views, but his first and foremost goal, it always seemed to me, was to put out a first-rate publication. And he was not going to let politics or ideology get in the way of doing that. ...

He had some discretion as president to exercise an element of choice for certain of the positions on the masthead; it wasn't wide discretion, but he had some. And I think a lot of the minority editors on the Review expected him to use that discretion to the maximum extent possible to empower them. To put them in leadership positions, to burnish their resumes, and to give them a chance to help him and help guide the Review. He didn't do that. He declined to exercise that discretion to disrupt the results of votes or of tests that were taken by various people to assess their fitness for leadership positions.

He was unwilling to undermine, based on the way I viewed it, meritocratic outcomes or democratic outcomes in order to advance a racial agenda. That earned him a lot of recrimination and criticism from some on the left, particularly some of the minority editors of the Review. ...

It confirmed the hope that I and others had had at the time of the election that he would basically be an honest broker, that he would not let ideology or politics blind him to the enduring institutional interests of the Review. It told me that he valued the success of his own presidency of the Review above scoring political points of currying favor with his political supporters.

Any questions?


Yowser, Spuds.

Firefly, Farscape, Battlestar, Red Dwarf....

and this one...

www.youtube.com

"I don't think you're aware of what's coming at you when you liberals finally get your way. There is a war coming. Indeed, it's at the door!"

- THEONEBS

Bring it on!

I have been ready for the danger from the right since the VietNam war!

You see WE ARE EVERYWHERE also. Liberals are too far to the right for me.

Read some ABBIE HOFFMAN and then maybe you will get a hint of what is in store for you. William Ayers was just the beginning!!

I don't think you will ever get the truth out him. Don't waste the water.

#4 | Posted by JoBama at 2008-10-16 09:41 AM

you mean unlike McCain who broke down under torture and spilled his guts?

www.rollingstone.com

VIOLATING THE CODE
"It was hard not to see how pleased the Vietnamese were to have captured an admiral's son," he writes, "and I knew that my father's identity was directly related to my survival." But during the course of his medical treatment, McCain followed through on his offer of military information. Only two weeks after his capture, the North Vietnamese press issued a report picked up by The New York Times in which McCain was quoted as saying that the war was "moving to the advantage of North Vietnam and the United States appears to be isolated." He also provided the name of his ship, the number of raids he had flown, his squadron number and the target of his final raid.

hmmm what happened to just "Name, Rank and Serial number"?

Yup, McCain spilled his guts.

And now we have the Rethugs lying about Obama's integrity... then we should be discussing McCain's...

But, we can't can we? Because god forbid we tarnish his image as a POW.

Read the article... it is enlightening to say the least.

Bush thanks you, Donnerboy, for making the case that torture works.

Bush thanks you, Donnerboy, for making the case that torture works.

#71 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2008-10-16 03:57 PM

Genocide works too...

Perhaps Bush should try that?

BTW LoD Just because McCain succumbed to torture does not necessarily mean it works... It means John McCain is actually a Pussy.

There were others that were tortured like him but they did not succumb as they had more Integrity and did not Violate the Code of Conduct as McLame did.

Again.. read the Article if you dare.

www.rollingstone.com

John McCain, The Make Believe Maverick.

Thought this was about the california Republican women's group that ran the cartoon of Obama eating fried chicken and watermelon.

republicans-gotta love them.

Or they'll lynch you.

Not ready to say McCain was lying about his torture but there are other stories out there. My question is why would this guy, who has been unknown and anonymous, come out with this story?


www.canberratimes.com.au

My question is why would this guy, who has been unknown and anonymous, come out with this story?

~Geezer 1

Wozza?

* Spud reads article *

FTA: "We never tortured McCain. On the contrary, we saved his life, curing him with extremely valuable medicines that at times were not available to our own wounded."

Hmmm, interesting.

Unlike BushCo who say they don't torture and do this guy merely sed we didn't torture this one, high propaganda value target.

So does this mean that McLame just volunteered to be part of all those propaganda vids where he bad-mouthed America?

Maybe he did them to get an extra bowl of rice or just cos he was bored?

This would help explain why McLame reversed his previously honorable position against torture to vote against the ban on waterboarding and to essentially vote to allow the CIA to torture.

/To be fair Obama missed that vote and Spud is still pissed at him fer that.

Be Well.

Yowser, Spuds.

Firefly, Farscape, Battlestar, Red Dwarf....

and this one...

www.youtube.com

Firefly check.
Farscape. Check.
Red Dwarf. Check.

Battlestar?

Meh, the whole Mormon thang turned Spud offa that one.

Lexx?

ROXX!

Very funny and occasionally really creepy too but in a good way.

Gotta luff having a dead guy as the leading man.

Stanley Tweedle is one of sci-fi's best anti-heroes evar.

and Zev is well... HAWT as Hell!

Be Well.

"Bush will exit office with dignity and vindication"

Only if he adopts two puppies before he leaves, and names them "Dignity" and "Vindication".

#25 | Posted by Danforth

This will not be possible if Palin speaks in their presence. At last count over 1250 puppies have succumbed to that voice.

After reading all of these posts from all of these racist, Southern-mentality, neocons repubs on this board, I wonder what "y'all" will do when there is a half African-american in the White House. I really can't believe the ignorance of those that possess this mentality. Is a white trash upbringing the result? Too much Nascar? Too much of a inferiority complex? I tend to believe it's a realization that your lily white existence is slowly coming to an end. Especially that is has been estimated that the Caucasians in this country will be a minority by 2050. Why don't you look inward and realize that students in other countries are blowing the US away in Math and Science. Or that you overspend and throw everything on credit and then wonder why you don't have 2 nickels to rub. Rather than look inward at your own shortcummings in life you rather blame other minorities for your own misery. This election is about black and white. It's as simple as that. Don't bother to respond by copying and pasting stuff about ACORN, coffers for Fannie and Freddie or William Ayers. McCain ain't no JFK. McCain ain't no FDR. McCain is more like GWB. Im sure the last 8 years havent enriched you're lives unless you were giving out Mortgages in the heyday or trading Commodities in the Pits of the CBOT or NYMEX.

Its fine for the dems to register bums and dead guys, and use the DMV(division of mexican voters), felons and criminals to steal an election, that all is fine. But if you point it out I am a racist, well you still have free speech and so do I.YOU are the enemy wihin.

Ledball: then you never spent much time down South.

# Sox, Dam Good post!
May I infer that the "character" of a said
individual is in question. "If" Colin Powell
were in the same position now, would that be
of any chracter/credibility issue, NO!.


# Sox, Dam Good post!
May I infer that the "character" of a said
individual is in question. "If" Colin Powell
were in the same position now, would that be
of any chracter/credibility issue, NO!.

#82 | Posted by realplus5

You're correct, but if Obama were white NOBODY would question his character. Nobody. The only accusations that would be hurled his way would be that he is inexperienced for higher office. John McCain's character (POW withstanding)is very much in questioned. There is a long list of doubts about the character of this man. Just as there is doubts about the character of Sarah Palin.

Bring it on!

I have been ready for the danger from the right since the VietNam war!

You see WE ARE EVERYWHERE also. Liberals are too far to the right for me.

Read some ABBIE HOFFMAN and then maybe you will get a hint of what is in store for you. William Ayers was just the beginning!!

-MONSTMAN


If Abbie Hoffman is your paragon, then I still say you're in for a real wakeup call. History has demonstrated time and time again that "rebels without a cause" are always grinded into a pulp.

So bring it on tough guy! And you may want to leave your bong at home, if you hope to last long!

My paragon is RIGHT WING FACISTS up against the wall! Blamm Blamm!!

You want to kill my presidential candidate? You think Obama should be dead? You think it is funny to scream OFF WITH HIS HEAD at campaing rallies?

I think it is time to visualize you red neck mothers dead!

And I have the hardware to accomplish that!

LIBERAL WITH A GUN! Your worse nightmare isnt it? ha ha ha ha hah

But on a serious NOTE - YOU WANT TO START A CIVIL WAR? WE WILL BE THERE TO FINISH THE FIGHT!!

The second civil war is on its way! Get ready people!!

Facists have always been left wingers. You don't know you're history, only your 60's Bong Mentality.

And no, I don't want to kill your presidential candidate, and if you'd read, there has been no substantiation of the campaign rally "Kill him!" report. Another one of your left-wing media type made a false report. Try reading, you stupid Bong Troll!

It will be different this time! Mark my word. The conservative American populace pretty much endured your snivelling tie-dye revolt against the establishment a generation ago. Now it will be different. You won't last long. Lots of us own hardware too!

"Facists have always been left wingers."

They tend to be quite conservative culturally.
So what are you talking about?

-Facists have always been left wingers.

Ah, a member in good standing of the Jonah Goldberg School of Anti-Intellectual Historical Revision.

And we endured the Reagan Revolution! The economy has crashed - thanks conservatives! Milton Friedman was wrong and now the whole country is paying the price.

Now the Reagan Revolution is over and your CONTRACT ON AMERICA failed miserably! The pendulum swings to the left once again.

Live with it or die! Run your mouth and whine all you want. Get out of your place and you will be put back into it!

Up against the wall redneck mothers! This is one liberal who WILL SHOOT BACK!

"Facists have always been left wingers."

Would someone please buy that man a history book?

"Facists have always been left wingers."

That wins the TADOWE "32 Pieces of Sliver Award".

Silver

Well let's look at the worst in the 20th Century.

Was Hitler, Stalin or Mao left or right on the political spectrum.

Nazis were the "Nationalist Socialist Party." Please note the second word in the title and then tell us how "socialist" and "right wing" go together? Then do the same for Stalin and Mao.

This ought to be good!

Left wing socialists always pretend to be on the side of the working man, and use that to gain power. Then comes fascism. History confirms it every time.

For the benefit of BS:

fascist /ˈfʃɪst/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fash-ist] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
noun
1. a person who believes in or sympathizes with fascism.
2. (often initial capital letter) a member of a fascist movement or party.
3. a person who is dictatorial or has extreme right-wing views.

yea because england and france are communist countries

oh and red canada
look at their flag!!!

can you explain why red china is going capitalist?

-Nazis were the "Nationalist Socialist Party."

Ya gotta love a poster who's historical acumen rests on the name of an organization, not it's history.

to me the democrats are about equality
and the republicans are about freedom

both are necessary
you can't sacrifice too much equality for freedom
you can't sacrifice too much freedom for equality

LOL...LOL

So tell me AU, can you name a fascist party from the past that was right wing? How about Nazis? Were they right wing?

BTW LoD Just because McCain succumbed to torture does not necessarily mean it works...

#73 | Posted by donnerboy

You're offering evidence suggesting it does.

corky
that because idiots are idiots

call a turd gold, and they'll wear it on their fingers

BS

Yes. The NAZI Party was indeed 'Fascist'. So was Mussolini's.

In fact it was called (with English translation) "National Fascist Party"

"Nationalist(sic) Socialist Party."

*headdesk*

The Nazi Party, officially: National Socialist German Workers' Party, (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (helpinfo), abbreviated NSDAP), was a political party in Germany between 1919 and 1945. It was known as the German Workers' Party (DAP) before the name was changed in 1920.

The party's leader, Adolf Hitler, was appointed Chancellor of Germany by president Paul von Hindenburg in 1933. Hitler rapidly established a totalitarian regime[1][2][3][4] known as the Third Reich.

Nazi ideology stressed the "racial purity of the German people" and persecuted those it perceived either as race enemies or Lebensunwertes Leben, that is "life unworthy of life". This included Jews, Slavs, Roma along with the German homosexuals, mentally disabled, communists and others.

en.wikipedia.org

"National Socialist German Workers' Party".

The Nazis were one of several historical groups that used the term National Socialism to describe themselves, and in the 1920s they became the largest such group. Nazism is sometimes considered by scholars to be a form of fascism. While it incorporated elements from both political wings, it formed most of its alliances on the political right.[10].

Among the key elements of Nazism were anti-parliamentarism, Pan-Germanism, racism, collectivism,[11][12] eugenics, antisemitism, opposition to economic liberalism and political liberalism,[13][14][12] anti-communism, and totalitarianism.[citation needed]

en.wikipedia.org

Nazis were the "progressives" of their day Corky, and they weren't conservative.

You can attempt to impeach what I say with your condescension, but you cannot demonstrate your case.

the nazi's were extreme right
only their view and race was important

all others were unworthy.

sorta like the neoconic "christian country" belief

Even thought the NAZI Party was called "The National Socialist Party" they were anything but Socialist. They were out and out fascist, as was their Axis ally, Mussolini's.

Nazis were the "progressives" of their day Corky, and they weren't conservative.

You need to study up on this a bit more.
You can start with Hitler's views about and taste in art.

BS

I GAVE you the DICTIONARY definition and yet that's not good enough for you?

Why can't you righties ever accept clear facts? Geez

Baaaaaaaa Baaaaaaaa


-Nazis were the "Nationalist Socialist Party."


Ya gotta love a poster who's historical acumen rests on the name of an organization, not it's history.

Corky

So you're saying there's nothing in a name?

"So you're saying there's nothing in a name?"

Didn't Jonah Goldberg's most recent book prove that?


I just did demonstrate my case. But I can do it as many times as you like.

"The German Workers Party adopted a new name the National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP) and in 1921 Hitler became party leader. Helped by the Bavarian army with money and recruits it had become the best organised of the right wing groups in that part of Germany. In order to defend the Party from attacks as well as to break up opponents' meetings and impress crowds with its discipline, Hitler created the SA (Sturm-Abteilung or storm troopers). By 1923, Hitler had become well known in Bavaria but not in the rest of Germany.

Hitler played a vital role in ensuring that the Nazis were more successful than the other right wing groups through his charismatic personality and powerful speeches."

www.newcastle.gov.uk


The "socialist" name was popular at the time, and Hitler cynically used it as propaganda for this wholly right wing ideological group.

It is a simple fact of history to all but the semi-literate.

"I GAVE you the DICTIONARY definition and yet that's not good enough for you?"

You wanna be a little careful with dictionary definitions, AU. Consider the word, "gay." :-)

So you're saying there's nothing in a name?
#110 | Posted by TheOneBS at 2008-10-17 11:23 AM

You wanna be a little careful with dictionary definitions, AU. Consider the word, "gay." :-)

You're old enough to think that means "Happy" aren't you? LOL

"You wanna be a little careful with dictionary definitions, AU. Consider the word, "gay.""

Heck...I'm still feeling sorry for the makers of Ayds diet candy.

JEST

Find me ONE....ONE dictionary definition of 'fascist' that says 'left wing' and not 'right wing'.

Bet ya you can't in 10 years time....

Was Stalin a right winger or left winger? Was Mao a right winger or left winger? Is Castro a right winger or left winger. Was Che Guevera a right winger or left winger? Is/was Kim Jong-il a left winger or right winger?

If you care to do some research, I think you'll find all of these supposed right wing fascists espoused some form of "socialist" political view on their rise to exercising fascist power....always playing on the envy of the working man or poor (ie. the prolitariate), to gain their power. Kinda like what Mr. Messiah and his party is doing, no?


"So you're saying there's nothing in a name?
#110 | Posted by TheOneBS at 2008-10-17 11:23 AM"

Now, Doc, a professorial PHD (Piled Higher and Deeper) as yourself should realize he's posting the fact he has a Bachelor of Science.

"Find me ONE....ONE dictionary definition of 'fascist' that says 'left wing' and not 'right wing'."

I don't have a dog in that fight.

Jest - As with those tea leaves, it's a matter of interpretation.

AU, bet you can't name one fascist that didn't use "left wing" political views to gain power.

Bet ya' you can't in 10 years time...

So you're saying there's nothing in a name?


#110 | Posted by TheOneBS


Oh, no...Of course the name tells it all..

Bush's "compassionate conservatives"

a turd, by any other name still smells like shit. All the fascist government noted above were all about the state as everything..the state owned everything, controlled everything and dictated everything. If you don't think that is to the extreme right only because they were called "socialist" you are a moron. How do you think these people would have come to power if the name of their party had been "the dictatorhip out to screw the people" party?

a turd, by any other name still smells like shit. All the fascist government noted above were all about the state as everything..the state owned everything, controlled everything and dictated everything. If you don't think that is to the extreme right only because they were called "socialist" you are a moron. How do you think these people would have come to power if the name of their party had been "the dictatorhip out to screw the people" party?


Indeed! And how would you recognize a dictator today who would attempt to do the same?

Indeed! And how would you recognize a dictator today who would attempt to do the same?

#125 | Posted by TheOneBS


Ohhhhh..I see your point. If they have the word "socialist" in the name of their party they are going to be dictators. Illuminating!

JEST

In TheOneBS's case the "BS" is the pejorative definition.

Anyone with a high school diploma that's worth the paper it's written on knows fascists were right wing. A BScience degree is out of the question. Also, his inability to accept widely acknowledged facts when faced with them is equally revealing. An educated mind is open to supplanting old ideas when new information plainly and clearly proves the older information false.

If one was to read the dictionary definitions of "liberalism" and "conservatism" I don't think you'd find that any of those would actually apply to our political parties today. I'm not really sure exactly what everyone is intending when they talk "left" or "right."

"Anyone with a high school diploma that's worth the paper it's written on knows fascists were right wing."

I'm not sure about that either. In fact, I would bet the average high school grad would have no idea what in hell you're talking about.

I'm not sure about that either. In fact, I would bet the average high school grad would have no idea what in hell you're talking about.

#129 | Posted by jestgettinalong


sad but true..

"So you're saying there's nothing in a name?
#110 | Posted by TheoNebs

Perhaps Theo can tell us all about these countries and their obvious form of government, based on their name, of course:

Republic of Angola
Socialist Republic of Vietnam
People's Republic of China
Islamic Republic of Iran
Democratic People's Republic of Korea
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Republic of Cuba

JEST

I put a qualifier in there, "the paper it's written on.."

In fact, I would bet the average high school grad would have no idea what in hell you're talking about.

If you doubt that, AU, here's a little data in support:

"But this state of affairs didn't start with TV talking heads. It started in our middle and high schools, with the parents of the young people who attend these schools and with those who teach those students.

The intellectual poverty of our educational system was recently highlighted in an article in the Journal of Higher Education by Ted Gup, a professor of journalism at Case Western Reserve University and author of "Nation of Secrets: The Threat to Democracy and the American Way of Life" (Doubleday, 2007).

Gup recounted the following experience:

"I teach a seminar called Secrecy: Forbidden Knowledge'. I recently asked my class of 16 freshmen and sophomores, many of whom had graduated in the top 10 percent of their high-school classes and had dazzling SAT scores, how many had heard the word "rendition." Not one hand went up. This is after four years of the word appearing on the front pages of the nation's newspapers, on network and cable news, and online. This is after years of highly publicized lawsuits, Congressional inquiries, and international controversy and condemnation. This is after the release of a Hollywood film of that title, starring Jake Gyllenhaal, Meryl Streep, and Reese Witherspoon."

Gup wrote that this information deficit was no aberration. He said, "Nearly half of a recent class could not name a single country that bordered Israel. In an introductory journalism class, 11 of 18 students could not name what country Kabul was in, although we have been at war there for half a decade. Last fall only one in 21 students could name the U.S. secretary of defense. Given a list of four countries China, Cuba, India, and Japan not one of those same 21 students could identify India and Japan as democracies. Their grasp of history was little better. Some students thought that Islam was the principal religion of South America, that Roe v. Wade was about slavery, that 50 justices sit on the U.S. Supreme Court, that the atom bomb was dropped on Hiroshima in 1975."

From "No YouTube Left Behind" by William Fisher

Current events aren't a priority of high school students.

Studies aside, it's about dating, games, and having fun.

Speaking for myself and my friends back then we didn't really pay close attention to the news until I was on my own at university.

I probably knew more because I was a paperboy and always read the front page. From 5th-9th grade. High school days, outside education, my attention was far more on bulges in girl's sweaters and such and rock and roll

The reason why minorities get so pissed off at this type of shit is that you do not see ads with this type of blatant disrespect and ignorance against McCain.

(NOTE: Racism is not mentioned in my comments since the word has completely been misused in this entire election)

Perhaps Theo can tell us all about these countries and their obvious form of government, based on their name, of course:


Republic of Angola
Socialist Republic of Vietnam
People's Republic of China
Islamic Republic of Iran
Democratic People's Republic of Korea
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Republic of Cuba

- TRUTHSETYOUFREE

Hmmmm, you think you're making a point with this? Then let's also ask another pertinent question: Which United State's Presidential Candidate is the one being "rooted for" by the above countries you've listed? Are any of the rulers/dictators of these countries placing their support behind right wing fascist, Johh McCain?

So you tell me TSYF. Tell me about their form of government, and why they support Obama?

Theonebs...prove to us that Iran (or anyone of those that are listed) supports Obama.

We do know Osama Bin Laden must have prayed to Allah for George W Bush's reelection. He even timed the release of his tape 3 days before the election to ensure that would happen.

W was the best friend the REAL Al Qaeda ever had. Their recruitment grew exponentially during his administration. He managed to turn moderate Arabs all throughout the Middle East who didn't have a beef with the U.S. into people with a negative view of us.

Right here in the U.S., as this thread points out, Republicans call for the torture of a Presidential candidate. The same people who rah rah-ed the invasion of Iraq (but, of course, don't want to pay for it)

"Hmmmm, you think you're making a point with this?"

Short term memory issues? This ought to be good!


Nazis were the "Nationalist Socialist Party." Please note the second word in the title...

#93 | Posted by TheoNebs at 2008-10-17 11:09 AM


Perhaps Theo can tell us all about these countries and their obvious form of government, based on their name (first word in the title, second word in the title, etc.):

Republic of Angola
Socialist Republic of Vietnam
People's Republic of China
Islamic Republic of Iran
Democratic People's Republic of Korea
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Republic of Cuba

Oh, and Theo, you're welcome.

AMERICAUNITY...

That is the truth. I dont understand these "conservatives." Where are there so called "values" when it comes to accepting people of all races/religion/etc.???

"Where are there so called "values" when it comes to accepting people of all races/religion/etc.???"

Because we don't support Obama's policies we're racists? Is that what you're saying. You may not be aware, but Louisiana conservatives elected a governor of Indian descent. Virginian conservatives voted for the first black governor. We like Michael Steel, Condi Rice, Colin Powell,....Conservatives appointed Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court. They TRIED to appoint a black woman but were shot down by.. GASP...liberals! And speaking of religion, I don't think it is the conservatives giving religions all the grief.
Ah, yes, AK, I can see since you're here that the middle schools have let their students out early today.

NO JUSTFUKINUP

LOUISIANA elected a Indian because he converted his religion from Hindu to Christian.

Also, why would liberals appoint a conservative dumbass???

and 'dumbass' was describing you...not Clarence Thomas

101Chairbourne:

I will not reply to your racially motivated comment (obviously implying I work at a convenience store...which I do not).


...and since you are insulting Indians as a whole by assuming I work at a convenience store...I will fill you in on the fact that Indian-Americans have the HIGHEST AVERAGE INCOME PER FAMILY. Go look it up.

The REALLY scarry thing about people like BS is that they THINK they are some kind of know-it-all!

You know all the DITTO HEAD revisions of history - you have THAT knowledge down pat - unfortuantely how that relates to REALITY is yet to be seen.

Keep spouting the BS and don't worry about anyone on RETORT educating you about anything.

101:

Stop trying to compensate for your SMALL DICK cracker.

101:

I make more $$$$$$$$$ in a year than your family will make in 10 generations!

Sucks for you cracker that you are too dumb to see that you could be making money with "us foreigners" if you werent racist.

O Yah...Too bad we are taking ALL your tech JOBS! HAHA. I guess I understand why you are mad.

You rednecks should start understanding that other races can be just as ignorant, hateful, and violent as you.


I will not reply to your racially motivated comment (obviously implying I work at a convenience store...which I do not).


#147 | Posted by ak_patel at 2008-10-17 03:41 PM | Reply

You just did. Twice.

Posted by 101Chairborne

Damnit, 101 would you quit quoting Joe Biden. It just pisses a lot of people off.

Next you'll probably ask someone in a wheelchair to stand up. Have a heart would ya!

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