Thanks fucking wacked in the Head. That is sacreligious to the max.

Larry

Two shitty compaines merging to become an even bigger shittier company.

You know that is like a Rich Hoity Toity Son/Daughter Merging(Marrying) some poor dumb shmuck in some poor section of town. It's unheard of and very Uncouthed to say the very least.

Larry

Hey now Member don't be bagging on GM like that. They gots it goings on dude. Chevrolet rocks dude. Dodge is like trailer park trash You dig??

Larry

Larry put the beer down dude and get some sleep (lol)

Hey I ain't had a drop of alcohol in over 5 Years. I just get slightly redneckish when talking bouts My Chevrolet's You hear?? They be some shit kicking trucks. They be looking better than some trailer park trashy Dodges. You dig sitdown??

Larry

A hemi makes the rest look real bad. Kinda slow and not dragy. How long has it been since a Chevy ran a top fuel dragster? Answer-Not enough!

When Chevy combines with Jeep, they better not name the brand Cheep.

American Motors got absorbed by Chrysler when I was a teen, during an economic downturn. No surprise here. Both GM and Chrysler should concentrate on the future and forget everything that worked for them in the past.

Cookfish: tip of the hat!

American Motors got absorbed by Chrysler when I was a teen, during an economic downturn. No surprise here. Both GM and Chrysler should concentrate on the future and forget everything that worked for them in the past.

#9 | Posted by NJDevil

Why don't they try something totally out of the ordinary..
Build fucking cars that are low maintenence-get good gas milage-and don't cost 4 arms and 5 legs?
Try THAT for a couple of years-and watch their sales go through the roof.

That Volt they are building went from a sleek looking POS to a big ugly Cavalier like POS.

They don't want to build something that lasts. I heard a dealer one time tell my father to get rid of his Chevy at 80K because it will cost $4000-$5000 in repairs to reach 100K. All the silicone seals start leaking badly too.

Honda designs their service life to around 300K and Toyota 250K.

Chrysler has the worst paint jobs on the market!

Current estimate for Volt lauch is $40K+
battery pack alone is over $9K (unproven reliability)
Market on a Prius is flat now in $22K area @ 45mpg
Where is the savings ??? $18k buys alot of fuel
GM is in deep trouble now and the future is dark.

GM needs to take some of those creative designers chrysler has and learn how to design and build a car again.

and stop building gas-guzzlers. better warm up to the ideal of driving smaller cars.

Hey Lipz are these small cars that You are championing going to have a detatchable roof panel so Big Guys can get in and out of them without having to throw ourselves out of the vehicle onto the pavement so we can extricate ourselves?? I mean come on when You have to twist Your legs into a pretzel form to get into them they are just the royal pits. Do it for the big men everywhere.

Larry

I have a 4 door Honda Civic, (the budget model) and my 6'3" son can sit in the back seat with his knees not touching the front seat and his head not hitting the ceiling. BTW there is no annoying hump down the middle and I get 35 mpg easily. It does not have that annoying SOFT SWAYING GM suspension.

I am looking forward to Many UAW memebers being laid off, lose there homes and starve to death. And perhaps, just perhaps..Detroit and Michigan can recover from being under the UAW's fascist stranglehold

I think it's funny. The right pitches a royal bitch fit over Unions but Nary a word about the owners and managers of these Auto Makers. Who has more control over the fall of say GM?? The Guy on the assembly Line or the Head Honcho in the Hoity Toity office buildings. The Right is ALWAYS Screwing the worker ALWAYS.

Larry

Build fucking cars that are low maintenence-get good gas milage-and don't cost 4 arms and 5 legs?

#11 | Posted by frankf55 at 2008-10-11 09:02 PM | Reply

If they did that they'd just be like Honda

FRANKF55:
I have two American made cars in my driveway right now and no problems with either. I in a Jeep, and my bride in a minivan.
The future is alternative energy vehicles. Biofuels, hydrogen fuel cells, and electric power are the long term investments. Short term is to beef up the inventory of compact cars (not sub-compact).

UNCLESAM:
I had the opportunity to drive the boss' car for a couple of days. Honda Accord with a sunroof. AWESOME car that is lots of fun to drive. Seems to be well put together, but it only had about 20K miles on it when I got to use it. American car companies have a long way to go before they can compare their products to Honda. But it can be done.

REALPLUS5:
22K for a Prius????
I love the concept of the electric car, but it's success will depend on America overcoming it's fear of nuclear energy.

A nuclear car would be cool.

I've owned many cars (and Jeeps) both American and Foreign (German & Japanese) and the Foreign cars hold up much better in my opinion.....except for the Wrangler. That thing will always have a special place in my garage.

I think GM wants to merge with Chrysler to learn more about how to deny warranty claims, no matter how serious the problem. Chrysler says "Too bad, so sad" better than anyone.

BYD Auto will be GM's nightmare in the electric car world.

What's with all the domestic car bashing? I really don't understand why people get all bent out of shape regarding what other people drive. Just like I don't care what people drive, I could care even less if the use a Mac or even think Vista is good software.

Yes, Honda and Toyota make the world's most reliable automobiles. On the downside, they also cost more as dealers are less willing to negotiate. Outside of that, if you look at the data, there isn't a heck of a lot of difference in the reliability standings between manufacturers.

It's all about perceptions. For example, people perceive Volkswagen to be reliable for their "German Engineering" while in reality, they generally fall on the bottom of the list in terms of build quality. On that same note, Hyundai still gets associated with their crap from the 80's, even though their cars generally get pretty good reviews. Non-Toyota/Honda car companies tend to be pretty average but they like to ride the coattails of Toyota/Honda of perceived quality.

As for the Big 3, they make pretty average cars that are generally pretty inexpensive. Some people have a frightening level of brand allegiance and then others have a visceral hatred towards them.

Then again, it's hard to really have too much allegiance to anything. I drive a Chrysler which was made in Illinois but has a Nissan (JATCO) transmission and a Mitsubishi-Chrysler-Hyundai "World Engine".

What if they merge with Ford?

The new CGMF Poontang!

COMMONSENSE:
Love my Wrangler too. 123K miles and still going strong. No other car company makes anything like it, ragtop SUVs rule.
Getting expensive to drive it when gas exceeds the 3 dollar mark. But that's my own damn fault for buying something that gets 16 mpg.

Do it for the big men everywhere.

Larry

#15 | Posted by LarryMohr

Larry, I may be jumping the gun here, but i believe what we are really talking about is a total transformation of society.

Our modern economy is built on the infrastructure supporting automobiles. Go to any older city and almost any european city and you will find a 'city center'. There are no city centers in american cities. I live in houston, where we would have at least 50 city centers if this city was built before the era of the automobile.

The natural organic growth of american cities was built on the ideal that personal transportation would always be there. Now, it is a necessity. It uses lot's of energy, and the whole concept is inefficient as hell. Plus, The basic laws of physics dictate that if you haul around 2 tons of extra steel, you will use more energy than if you don't.

I have a feeling that big guys are gonna have more to worry about than trying to squeeze into a tiny smart car. In the coming days of socialized medicine (and it is coming whether we want it or not), there will be built in descrimators for anyone that lives 'outside the norm'. Statistical models will be the new social norms.

The same will be true with transportation. You can drive a huge vehicle in the future (like construction companies, etc..), but it's gonna cost you, alot.

What the hell? High millage, low maintenance and how about those tires that should last for the normal expected lifetime of the vehicle?

This kind of talk is subversive! This is the land of planned obsolescence, what kind of commie, pinko, fag idea is all of this value for the consumer?

Buy American and be American. When you ride hits that 60,000 mile mark it should be scrapped crap.

My God they have brainwashed me into thinking like them!

I drove a BMW 2002tii for 24 years and 300,000 miles.
Fuel-injected two-liter four-banger; No AC; Never broke.
$4,200 new in 1972.

When my children were small, I bought an old subaru station wagon for $100. It had some electrical problems and i fixed them and drove that car for several years. Each of my children used it as their first car, all total we drove it about 100k more miles. It still ran good when i sold it to a mexican guy for $100.

Subaru's are serious cars.
You can't kill the damn things.

I want a hydrogen fuel cell car, dammit. Fuel cells have no moving parts, they produce no pollutants, the by-product is pure water, electricity and heat. The electricity powers an electric motor that is about 90% efficient. (internal combustion engines are about 30% efficient).

Here's what i would do if I had big wads of money to spend. Get a fuel cell car. Get a bunch of solar panels and set them up in my yard and tie the output to an eletrolysis system (separate water into hydrogen and oxygen) that would run anytime there is enough sun. That way i could use solar power to produce the hydroxy gas (hydrogen and oxygen gasses mixed together but not bonded into water) for the fuel cell. at only about $1 million investment, i could be energy neutral.

you can even run your house off the same fuel cell.

" (hydrogen and oxygen gasses mixed together but not bonded into water) "

One word: BOOM!

One word: BOOM!

#36 | Posted by Zatoichi

yes, i admit, it's a little unstable, but gasoline also reacts violently (but not as violent as hho) to sparks and fires.

These guys that are screwing around with this stuff in their garages have all blown up their system at least once. It answers the age old question, 'what's a bubbler for'?

We made one out of a 5 gal plastic bucket with a lid and wound up blowing that thing up. it could have been bad but no one was hurt. We decided the best way to prevent that from happening in the future was to make sure we had more cold beer and a bunch more duct tape.

GM and Chrysler are both losing money so if they merge, they will have one big fucking loser of a company. That's the sort of economics called economies of scale that makes sense to Puny Paulson and Ben Bercocksucker. I've got a better idea: Let Kia buy both companies for a nickel and fire all the top management. That would save a fortune.

I actually tried the HHO mason jar device on my dads Buick and the mileage dropped. GM has a sensor which senses you trying to tweak the mileage and it riches the fuel mixure. Toyota exposed this years ago. GM is in it with the oil companies. One small plastic baggie of HHO sounds louder than a firecracker when ignited.

Actually it's an admixture of H2 and O2.