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Friday, October 10, 2008

Sarah Palin abused her power when she fired her Public Safety Commissioner this July, a state investigation has concluded. "[Palin] knowingly ... permitted [husband] Todd Palin to use the Governor's office and the resources of the Governor's office ... in an effort to find some way to get Trooper Wooten fired," said investigator Stephen Branchflower.

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Here's the story from the Alaskan Daily News (where I got it half an hour ago):

www.adn.com

The report by investigator Steve Branchflower was made public late this afternoon by a 12-0 vote of the Legislative Council, which authorized the investigation.

Branchflower's report contains four findings. The first concludes that Palin violated the state's executive branch ethics act, which says that "each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust."

Branchflower was investigating whether Palin abused her power by pushing for the firing of state trooper Mike Wooten, who was involved in a nasty divorce from Palin's sister. Palin and her husband, Todd, have accused Wooten of threatening Palin's father.

The investigation also looked into whether Palin dismissed public safety commissioner Walt Monegan because he resisted pressure to fire Wooten.

In the second finding, Branchflower says Monegan's refusal to fire Wooten was not the sole reason for his dismissal but that it was a "contributing factor." Still, he said, Palin's firing of Monegan was "a proper and lawful exercise" of the governor's authority.

The third finding says a workers compensation claim filed by Wooten was handled appropriately. Number four concludes that the attorney general's office failed to comply with Branchflower's Aug. 6 request for information about the case in e-mails.

The release of Branchflower's 263-page report was authorized by a unanimous vote of the 12-member Legislative Council, which authorized the probe last summer. The vote followed a daylong closed meeting. Three members participated by telephone.

She burns people... and she dissed her senior statesmen. Bad thing to do.

I still think she has been thrown under the bus by her own party tho...

I've found the Alaskan Daily News is THE place to go for reporting on all things Palin. You can download the complete report from their website too:

www.adn.com"><>

Excuse me. It's the 'Anchorage Daily News' - a McClatchy newspaper.


Great job of vetting McDesperate...

She should be sent back to mooseville in chains-and Prison Orange.
Maybe-when she gets out of Prison-she can run for VP again......

Big Whoop! Bush and Cheney also abused their power and in an infinitely more damaging way than Gov.Palin ever did! So lets hang the bastards - I'll even pull the lever on the trap door!!! But guess what - there ain't no one in the Bush Regime who is ever going to be brought to justice!!! So this big,sick joke is once again on...America!


Maybe-when she gets out of Prison-she can run for VP again......


VP hell she has eyes on an
Independent Alaska.

Not a problem--she's a republican. You won't hear about this after next week.

So Sarah Palin was the right choice after all. I mean come on Dubya definitely Abused His power Dick Cheney Definitely abused His power and now Sarah Palin abused Her power. Why buck a trend You know. Greed On Power. Great Objective Pick John McCain. Greed Over Principles. Republicans In Purgatory.

Larry

no surprise here. the way the lie rolls so easily from her tongue, I'm sure this is just one of many questionable behaviours to be brought to light.

she'll be such a good Fox News personality.

' rolls so easily from her tongue '

wood

There's still a massive storm gathering about the Yahoo email accounts she and her staff used to circumvent Alaskan state law about doing official business through official state email accounts.

Trooper Wooten will have his job in 2 years. Sarah Palin probably won't.

This is a slap on the wrist.

Folks need to understand that it was her husband that was doing the running around--and she did nothing to stop him until months had gone by.

That was wrong.

Sarah will get some heat for this.

But the reasoning behind it--the death threats to the father, the tazering of the step son, drinking in the cop car and illegally killing a moose are mitigating circumstances.

I would have fired them both.

And probably 99% of the people would fire both--certainly the trooper.

I bet 99% of the folks here on the DR would do the same thing as Todd Palin did if they were in his shoes.

"She burns people."

Well, duh, she's a witch hunter.

That anyone as stupid as Reagan could be considered made me give up.

This has just become utterly pathetic, but original (notreally), tragicomedy.

(notreally) => (not really)

"I bet 99% of the folks here on the DR would do the same thing as Todd Palin did if they were in his shoes."

What office was Todd Palin elected to?


McAnkles throws Todd under the bus. For the Greater good of course..

What I wanna see is all the Palindrones try to explain this away. You know - how it wasn't really that big a deal, how it's done all the time, how nobody should worry about stuff like this, how some Democrat dogcatcher did something like this in 1944, so it justifies anything Palin did and more besides...

You know the drill, righties. Get in line and start spinning.

"On the left-side of your keyboard you'll find a key labelled "Caps Lock". You may want to press it."

Actually Jeff, I prefer to leave my cap lock on due to it being easier on my carpal tunnel.

Now....shaddup and get me my Cap'n and Coke!!!

Na Na Na Na hay hay goodbye GOP

Larry

Hey...how did that comment by me get here?

Funny...I don't remember having a drink yet.

MURPHY

This isn't about what Wooten did. It's about what PALIN did.

Keep spinning though.

I doubt Alaska will have a 'Governor Palin' come January 2011. She's toast. Plummeting approval in Alaska.

Plus, she's a secessionist anti-American trollop.

"She Burns People"

And wishes she could Burn Books.

Now where in God's Name are the Righties on this site. You'd expect them to be shootin' moose straight from the hip here in her defense. Or has she become indefensible.

Have you finally woken up to what we have ALL been telling you: Sarah Palin is a Corrupt Moron.

Sure, there may be a case that the Trooper was a jerk and needed reprimanding...

BUT...

There is a right way, and then there's Abusing Power.(wink).

WORST.VICE.PRESIDENT.WHO.NEVER .BECAME.PRESDIENT.EVER!

Wow!

Now what??


Na Na Na Na hay hay goodbye GOP


Larry

#21 | Posted by LarryMohr


I CAN'T WAIT! for Obama to get in there. There will be a Democratic Congress and Executive!!!


They will fuck up so bad, they'll make Jimmy Carter look like FDR!!!


I predicted that a majority in the House from the Election 2006 would screw things up and guess what? The stock market too a dump today. Good going Nancy!

But the reasoning behind it--the death threats to the father, the tazering of the step son, drinking in the cop car and illegally killing a moose are mitigating circumstances.

I would have fired them both.

And probably 99% of the people would fire both--certainly the trooper.

I bet 99% of the folks here on the DR would do the same thing as Todd Palin did if they were in his shoes.

#14 | Posted by MURPHY at 2008-10-10 09:19 PM | Reply | Flag

Don't you know? It's ABSOLUTELY NOT ACCEPTABLE to use political power to right wrongs! If you have an R after your name, you have to just smile and let people walk all over you! Tase his stepson? That's perfectly okay! Get drunk in the cop car? These are PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE things to do to the family of a Republican, and so long as you do so only to Republicans, you should be able to keep your job.

There's absolutely NO EXCUSE for using your position of authority to bring punishment to a scumbag if you're a Republican. NONE!


.....get over it, you double-standard jerkoffs. It's no worse then Clinton getting head privately in the Oval Office. Both were abuses of power. Bill's was harmless, and Sarah's was actually righting a wrong. Have some sense of perspective. The left is supposed to be more mature then the Right, able to understand that sometimes there's slight grey areas in morality.

Palin's pick shows a glaring lack of judgment by McCain.

Vetting? McCain must have thought it had to do with parvo shots

" they'll make Jimmy Carter look like FDR!!! "


Imbecile flag.

zfacts.com

Jimmy Carter, president with the lowest debt/GDP ratio since WWII.

Who really cares about trouper-gate? Maybe the pundits and a handful of folks in Alaska. Sarah reminds me of the annoying pseudo-righteous/religious slot that everyone can't stand at the at the PTA meeting - that's enough to turn me off.

Scary to think that there is even a chance she could become President. She may be able to bust a cap and field dress a Moose.... but how ya think she would stand up to Putin? Scary!

Maybe she will be a criminally charged (doubt it) and if she could take it to the Supreme Court - then she could name two Supreme Court cases.

How low can the GOP go?

Never shit on the rungs of the ladder as you are going up.

McCai didn't vett He betted everything on Sarah Palin and well that sunk faster than a 1 ton dude in a georgia swamp. McCain is toast.

Larry

Let's blame Nancy! She screws-up everything! LMAO

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What I wanna see is all the Palindrones try to explain this away. You know - how it wasn't really that big a deal, how it's done all the time, how nobody should worry about stuff like this.....

#19 | Posted by MaryTylerWhore at 2008-10-10 09:24 PM | Reply

Everybody gets a blowjob by an intern. It's no big deal, and happens all the time. Why do people worry about that?

It's not illegal

We have a three-day weekend ahead of us. This would be a VERY good time for Palin to discover the demands of being a mother and wife and governor of Alaska and hunter of mooses conflicts with her campaign requirements. This would be a very good time for her to respectfully step down as vice-presidential nominee for the repulsican party (although personally I think she personifies everything revolting about the repulsicans). Then Grampy Poopy Pants can call on his good buddy Joe Lieberman to step in. By now I bet the RNC would welcome Lucifer himself - sure couldn't be any worse than Palin and we are already use to Darth Cheney!

Jimmy Carter, president with the lowest debt/GDP ratio since WWII.

#29 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2008-10-10 09:33 PM | Reply

That's easy to do when you choke off energy supplies, run up interest rates beyond 20 percent and create a massive recession.

Good job Jimmy!

And the 20 million people who've since died because of your meddling puts you on an equal footing with Stalin.

Nice role model you have Zat.

Even though the Pathetic Employee Lousy On Serious Issues has Her own problems You can't blame this on Her. This is on Politician Allowed Lover Initiate Nefariousness to occur.

Larry

Well, well, well.....

the bottom line


the governor of alaska has been cleared of these charges....


I thought family was off limits when it comes to democrats........

#85 | Posted by bushlovertwo

Enjoy the weekend my bitch!

Maybe she will be a criminally charged (doubt it)

#30 | Posted by Lee at 2008-10-10 09:35 PM | Reply

The panel said she violated an ethics rule but broke no law. But of course, as an illiterate partisan hack and bigot, you didn't know that.

"when you choke off energy supplies"

It's called the Iranian Revolution, soon-to-be-extinct retard.

Too bad the DR lefties couldn't come up with a more sympathetic figure than Wooten. Still, beggars can't be choosers, and politics makes for strange bedfellows, and all that. Which is why they are all so careful to say, "Wooten was wrong, but . . . so was she!! He should have a job, dammit!! There's a right way and a wrong way to handle these things!!" And so on.

So the state of Alaska continues to be graced by a drunk, taser-wielding, spouse-abusing cop. Nice work, guys! If it'll help Obama get to the White House, what's a rotten SOB with a badge? The enemy of my enemy is my friend!

Woo Woo Wooten!

Vernon says - "And the 20 million people who've since died because of your meddling puts you on an equal footing with Stalin." I think he was referring to Carter? I think he was President like 27 years ago??? Vernon, please get your meds refilled.

The chickens come home to roost. And I don't care if she does time for this or not. It's just that this ought to be the finishing touch on any dreams of a McBush-Palin administration.

For GOP spin on this nail-in-the-coffin, "Eddie" checks in with "The stock market too a dump today. Good going Nancy!" A deflection, sure, but trying to place the Bush Market blame on Madame Speaker seems too much a stretch even for Repubbers. herm

Vernon... please pass the meds to Rightisright.

Vernon calling someone else an illiterate partisan hack and bigot.

PRICELESS.

Sir or Madam, you really have no idea what a total ass you are, do you?

Heehehe..... This has been politicised to embarass Palin and Americans have been expecting something of the sort to come out. It will not have much impact. Good thing it is out and on balance help Palin to get this off her chest.

Of course, its red meat for Whoopi, Bias Behar, and other feminazis and rabid liberals who loathe Sarah Palin just as they loathed Ronald Reagan.

No big deal....

Well excuse me vermin... his BJ was a big deal and he was impeached by the house.

I think she personifies everything revolting about the repulsicans

And revolting against he United States of America.

There's little as anti-American as rah rahing a secessionist party her husband belonged to and she was 'delighted to welcome' to their convention this year.

========
RiR

It's not about being sympathetic to Wooten, it's about holding politicians accountable when they break the law or do everything they can to skirt the rules. But, knowing where your sympathies lie, and the lying liars they are, it's not surprising you're going to stick up for her. If she'd been a Democrat you'd be screaming to high heaven - and you know it.

RightisRight:

Pssst.
It was a republican-dominated panel that "came up with" the investigation.

But don't let facts get in the way of your stupidity; it never has before.

I'm waiting to see how the republicans will blame Obama for this.........

Vern, Zat and BLT would spin this as either being the Democrats fault or "they" do it too ... remember that Clinton got a blow job. herm

Takitez:
what? not predicting a total electoral sweep by McHatred and PaLyin?

"Vernon... please pass the meds to Rightisright."

Posted by Lee

Don't forget Takyermeds.

I'd rather listen to my stereo but I blew up the BAT VK-500.

Vern - touche!! I love when a wingnut calls me a bigot. I defer to your superior intellect!

"Vern, Zat and BLT"

WTF?

If this ain't some fucked up bullshit. I screw up it's a big deal if Bill Clinton screws up it's a big deal a right winger screws up it's no big deal. What utter and complete poppycock of the HIGHEST order.

Larry

Palin is not the first nor do I think she's going to be the last, to abuse their power. She happened to have gotten caught.

I'm not making excuses for her. She should be punished and it's an unfortunate time for the republican party to be dealing with this, but let's be honest....a politician abusing their power isn't something new.

This didn't have anything to do with sex so it's ok.........

"Nice role model you have Zat."

Posted by vernon

Rickover picked him for subs.

You may now die in a fire Vern.
Make the world a better place.

Abuse of power! Utter and complete poppycock of the HIGHEST order! It's not about Wooten--it's about holding politicians accountable! Yeah!!!!!

Methinks Governor Palin should resign in disgrace, in deference to the many liberals on the DR, and for the 20% of Alaskans who don't approve of her, because the Great Mr. Wooten nearly lost his job.

So a show of hands: how many of you would want Mr. Wooten to be assigned to your kids' middle school? Or as your local fish and game warden? How would you feel if you called the police in a remote corner of the Alaskan wilderness, and he arrived hours later, hung over?

Still, you know best. The Moosiah is always wrong, therefore Wooten must not be.

The drip factor is over. A source of embarassment but no big deal....

In fact, in the long run, this experience will help Sarah to exercise power in a more evenhanded and lawful manner in future. VERY IMPORTANT.

Some people have the calling to serve the public by way of government positions. Sarah has a calling and she will get far.

RiR

(AP) Sarah Palin unlawfully abused her power as governor by trying to have her former brother-in-law fired as a state trooper, the chief investigator of an Alaska legislative panel concluded Friday.

Does 'unlawfully' mean she did not break the law?

TAKITEZ

So, we should go back to talking Obama's serving on a school reform board with a lot of Republicans and Bill Ayers? Is that what you think is important?

If Palin were a Democrat you'd be screaming your head off.

"Everybody gets a blowjob by an intern. It's no big deal, and happens all the time. Why do people worry about that?"

Vernon:

If I were you, I really would get extended warranty on the next sarcasm generator you buy. This is exactly what I was talking about when I said wunna youse righties would say something like "some Democrat dogcatcher did something like this in 1944, so it justifies anything Palin did and more besides..."

Just FYI, we libs view Clinton's blowjob as an abuse of power, since it occurred on company premises and company time. He got caught. He got punished. And that was as it should be, mmkay? Now, when are you righties gonna admit Palin's wrong too, and that she should be in for a few consequences?

RiR's rule #1:

- When Republicans break the law and skirt others it's OK

- When Democrats do anything wrong it's criminal and DEMANDS REMOVAL FROM OFFICE !!

Heehehe..... This has been politicised to embarass Palin

#47 | Posted by takitez

Politicized by those 10 Republicans on the 14 member panel????

I ran VERNON'S posts through this:

THE METER

McCain supposedly knew about the investigation when he chose Palin for his VP candidate. He took a gamble, then they flew everyone they could up there, even retained and moved a chief prosecutor for terrorism to help defeat any progress in this investigation.

McCain lost. Palin lost.

RIR is spinning faster than the spin cycle of the washing machine. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with wootin. If He did wrong He should be punished. This investigation was about Sarah palin NOT Wooten.

Larry

McCain lost. Palin lost.

#69 | Posted by YAV at 2008-10-10 10:23 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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But the PEOPLE Won because Justice will be done.

Larry

Wait'll the emails come out. They should be very interesting. Hopefully they didn't make them disappear like the WH did theirs to cover their hides.

Impeach her.

This investigation was about Sarah palin NOT Wooten.

Larry
* * * *

You're right about that.

I just think it's all very funny. Let's see, whose side should I take? A drunkard, spouse-beating, (his own) child-tasering cop, protected by powerful friends? Or the governor who's trying to get him fired? Hmmm. That's a toughie. Oh--wait a minute--did you say the governor is a REPUBLICAN!?!? WTF? Well, that makes it easy! ABUSE OF POWER!! SHE SHOULD RESIGN!! OMG!!

LMAO. On the back page we have Louis Farrakhan, probably the biggest psycho nutjob in American life, telling us that Barack Obama is the Messiah. Now we have this POS, whose only claim to fame is that his Republican sister in law thinks that the police force is better off without him.

Strange bedfellows.

RiR's rule #1:

- When Republicans break the law and skirt others it's OK

- When Democrats do anything wrong it's criminal and DEMANDS REMOVAL FROM OFFICE !!

#66 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-10-10 10:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm not seeing anything different from the Left. So what? Even including MTW's comment.

Clinton didn't get any punishment besides embarrassment and a completely symbolic "disbarment" for his abuse of power, so there's no need to have such a hardon for giving Palin worse punishment, mmkay?

amazing, Palin says that Obama supporters did this , those 10 Republicans and 4 Democrats are Obama supporters, amazing!

still lying, she must be a Christian right winger, lying comes easy to them!

RiR

You don't get it.

This isn't about Wooten, it's about Palin's actions against Monahan.

Just as Watergate wasn't about the break in, it was about the coverup.

RightisRight's handle tells you all you need to know about his opinion on any subject.

Bill's was harmless, and Sarah's was actually righting a wrong.

How do you know that?
Is that what St Sarah(I've lied about everything I've done)-PaLyin' told you?
Or is it what John McNasty/McLame/McFlip/McFlop/ told you?
Was Wooten Prosecuted?
Did they turn him in to the Authorities at the time?
NO? They didn't say anything until they were caught breakin' the law? How-convenient....the "wrong" she was "righting" may NOT have happened. Are you OK with that?

(AP) Sarah Palin unlawfully abused her power as governor by trying to have her former brother-in-law fired as a state trooper, the chief investigator of an Alaska legislative panel concluded Friday.

Does 'unlawfully' mean she did not break the law?

#63 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY
* * * *

Well, that's what trials are for. Hopefully they have one. I'm actually looking forward to the prosecutor's opening statement: "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, please ignore the fact that Trooper Wooten is a drunk, taser-happy, spouse-abusing piece of sh!t who believes he's above the law. The only question before you is, was Governor Palin breaking the law when she decided that he shouldn't be on the police force anymore?"

LMAO. I can't wait. Have your dog-and-pony trial, and good luck finding 12 citizens--in Alaska, no less--who agree that this POS should find another line of work.

I know how you would vote, though. The family he roughed up was related to a Republican, so he should have a job for life, even though he sucks at it.

AU,

You don't get it.

That wasn't about a blowjob, it was about the lies he told ABOUT said blowjob.

Huh.

Doesn't make any more sense when Democrats say it then it did years ago when Republicans said it. Go figure.

Tis funny RiR You guys on the right demanded Obama disavow Louis Farrakan and what He has Stated but Yet You use it to try and get ole Obama. Funny Dat Be in the Gazzillions.

Larry

Monahan was a good cop. In fact, Palin was praising him just a couple of weeks before she fired him. One reason she gave was that he wasn't doing enough to fight drunk driving, although she fired the Wasilla Chief of Police for wanting to close the bars at 2 am instead of 5 am - moves he wanted to fight drunk driving.

Her excuses for firing Monahan are feeble at best. He was a highly respected 30 year law enforcement veteran.

This isn't about Wooten, it's about Palin's actions against Monahan.

Just as Watergate wasn't about the break in, it was about the coverup.

#77 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY
* * *

Oh. Well, in that case, you don't have a leg to stand on. Because the same investigative panel concluded that "Monegan's refusal to fire Wooten was not the sole reason for his dismissal but that it was a "contributing factor." Still, he said, Palin's firing of Monegan was "a proper and lawful exercise" of the governor's authority."

So what the hell are you talking about? Are you going along with the panel's findings, or not?

SOHEIFOX

I'm surprised your here with all the dumps you got.

How do you know that?
Is that what St Sarah(I've lied about everything I've done)-PaLyin' told you?
Or is it what John McNasty/McLame/McFlip/McFlop/ told you?
Was Wooten Prosecuted?
Did they turn him in to the Authorities at the time?
NO? They didn't say anything until they were caught breakin' the law? How-convenient....the "wrong" she was "righting" may NOT have happened. Are you OK with that?

#79 | Posted by frankf55 at 2008-10-10 10:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

No, vaporbrain, that's what the people investigating this tell me. Do you even read articles and the reports available inside of them or do you just assume that if they have an R after their name, they must be 100% in the wrong, all the time?

"I'm actually looking forward to the prosecutor's opening statement"

I'm actually looking forward to the defense's opening statement:

Despite what you've heard since first grade, we will clearly prove two wrongs make a right. Why, the trooper's behavior FORCED my client to break the law!!!

Rightiswrong-how do you know Wooten did what he was accused of?
Did he go to trial?
WHERE is the evidence?

ACCUSATION is not the same as proof.
But, then-you're ONLY a republitard-maybe you haven't figured that out yet?

No, vaporbrain, that's what the people investigating this tell me. Do you even read articles and the reports available inside of them or do you just assume that if they have an R after their name, they must be 100% in the wrong, all the time?

#86 | Posted by soheifox
OK shitheels-WHAT FUCKING REPORTS? WHERE ARE THEY?

Tis funny RiR You guys on the right demanded Obama disavow Louis Farrakan and what He has Stated but Yet You use it to try and get ole Obama. Funny Dat Be in the Gazzillions.

Larry

#82 | Posted by LarryMohr
* * * *

You're thinking of someone else. It would never occur to me to demand of Obama to disavow Farrakhan, or Reverend Wright, or Ayers. Birds of a feather, and all that. In fact, I think less of Obama for having thrown Wright under the bus, after making such a bluster about how tight they were. Why couldn't he have said, my faith is personal, it's off limits to questions, and Reverend Wright can speak for himself?

For me, Obama and Wright and Farrakhan will always be best pals, Barack's protestations to the contrary notwithstanding.

RiR

It means she can fire him for whatever reason she wants to. She has that authority. However, because she used it for personal reasons it was a violation of ethics.

Get it?

SOHEIFOX

I'm surprised your here with all the dumps you got.

#85 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-10-10 10:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

That might have something to do with the fact that I asked Rogers to read the thread. Turns out he agrees that baiting someone to do something, and then reporting them for doing it; thus trying to game the system in a childish manner, isn't worthy of a banning.

The internet and it's forums are not a game that you "win" or "lose" and adults don't do such childish things.

Palin is found to have abused the power of her office and the right starts shouting Farrakhan.

Saweeet.

Full throttle panic ahoy!

OK shitheels-WHAT FUCKING REPORTS? WHERE ARE THEY?

#89 | Posted by frankf55 at 2008-10-10 10:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

You TOO can find the report! Here's the directions, in 4 easy steps!

1) Scroll to top of page.

2) Click article.

3) Click the link on the sixth line of the report.

4) Quit being such a retard.

It means she can fire him for whatever reason she wants to. She has that authority. However, because she used it for personal reasons it was a violation of ethics.

Get it?

#91 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY
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Nope--I don't get it. Because the report didn't say that. There were other circumstances involved in his firing. Wouldn't it behoove you to find out what those might be, before taking up the defense of YET ANOTHER bad cop who might not be worthy of it?

The election just changed in a different way, and on the same day as this report. Anyone see this vid from a McCain rally today?

talkingpointsmemo.com

RiR

I know the details of this very well, thank you

Last line in the report:

Governor Palin's firing of Commissioner Monegan was a proper and lawful exercie of her constitutional and statutory authority to hire and fire executive branch department heads.


If this had been an investigation about Obama, the headline would read:

Panel Finds Obama Acted Within His Authority

Flash:

RNC plans to pull funding from McCain and focus on saving a few vulnerable Senate seats. Read all about it tomorrow.



=12-0 vote of the Legislative Council

Uh-huh. But she doesn't deserve to be held responsible, and others are just out to get her?

I think you can put a fork in the Bar BQ'ed Caribou Barbie.


Imagine if the Senate had just come out with a unanimous committee report that Biden had committed ethics violations.

He'd be just as done as she is.


=12-0 vote of the Legislative Council

Uh-huh. But she doesn't deserve to be held responsible, and others are just out to get her?

I think you can put a fork in the Bar BQ'ed Caribou Barbie.

#100 | Posted by Corky at 2008-10-10 11:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

...umm Corky? Yeah, they found that she was completely within her power and authority and did not act inappropriately. I'm not understanding the headline attached to this at all.


"Sarah Palin abused her power when she fired her Public Safety Commissioner this July, a state investigation has concluded."

What part of that don't you understand?

Soheifox-
re:"... and did not act inappropriately"

They in fact found that she "abused her power".

Page 8, first paragraph, under FINDINGS:

media.adn.com

"Yeah, they found that she was completely within her power and authority and did not act inappropriately. I'm not understanding the headline attached to this at all."

Its a 2-parter. 1. She had the authority to fire him and acted within that authority. 2. The things she did to him (or allowed to be done to him) while he worked for her violated the state ethics laws.

Soheifox-
Does that link to the report clear up your confusion about the headline a bit?

You TOO can find the report! Here's the directions, in 4 easy steps!

1) Scroll to top of page.

2) Click article.

3) Click the link on the sixth line of the report.

4) Quit being such a retard.

#94 | Posted by soheifox

Found the report and read it.
Again-SOME of the ACCUSATIONS were sustained(That's ALL I could find in the Report about it)-BUT NOT ALL OF THEM.
He was disciplined-according to the report-now-I don't know what else went on-but the ONLY thing discussed in the report was him killing a moose without a permit-AND ST SARAH WAS THERE WITH HIM AND ALLO0WED HIM TO USE HER PERMIT(A crime in itself-she COULD have been charged with)
As far as the rest of it-unless I see ADMINISTRATIVE evidence of it(including him (supposedly Tasering his stepson)-it's just so much bs.

Now right(as usual)iswrong
YOU stop bein' such a retarded tool.

I wonder what the Drudge Retort will be like in say 30 Years. Will the Righty Tighties be denying they ever knew Dubya and McCain and Cheney and Palin. Will RCADE be giving out Dumps in His space aged Depends undergarments. Will BLT still be pitching a bitch about the cold houston winters. Inquiring minds wanna know. Will JeffJ continue to hire those fraudulant Republicans Oh and will Lisa be an Old Great Grandma with falses. Wonders never cease.

Larry

Big deal. A law enforcement officer tases a 10 year old kid who happens to be his step son, and suddenly, L.N.S.S. (Latrine News Services Society) members think they have another Watergate to report on. Palin's husband should be given a medal. Whoever reads this and has a child, how would you feel if a taser was used on same? How about yourself, if you have done nothing wrong? L.N.S.S., who are they? It is not hard to tell. They are not, fair and balanced. They suffer amnesia. They forgot, the Travelgate affair. L.N.S.S. members are best when they are reporting news from original type outhouses, the good old country type. You know, the type that are made out of wood, and when a discharge is made, you hear it when it hits the water below. I know because as a boy scout, I used them. I do not belong to the society because I am not a newsman that pretends to be fair. I am referring to those that feel tingling sensations in their legs, and if females, have biblical names. Keep up the good, fake reporting work, folks. You are not fooling anyone but yourselfs. The public knows that you are, with my apologies to the Platters, Great Pretenders. yoursels. Keep having your castor oil with your cups of coffee.

Well-Mrretaliation-How would YOU like to be accused of tasering a child-if you haven't?
The Report says NOTHING about that accusation-until I see proof-other than St Sarah and her worshipers-making unfounded ACCUSATIONS-It is-and always will be-bull(moose)shit....

YOU stop bein' such a retarded tool.

#106 | Posted by frankf55 at 2008-10-10 11:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

You asked where it was. By quoting a post of mine wherein I asked you if you "even read articles and the reports available inside of them". I then made it clear by my saying "read articles and the reports available inside of them" I, in fact, meant that this article had a report contained inside of it. It was so clearly implied by my original statement that you were too angry to pay attention or just eager to try and make other people look bad. Seriously, frothing at the mouth or not you have to admit you screwed up there.

Congratulations on getting around to reading enough of it to figure out they discussed the moose, in addition to his admitting that he was given a suspension for his actions.

Since you couldn't even be bothered to click into the article we're actually discussing until it was pointed out to you TWICE, I'll go ahead and do the footwork for you on what, exactly, he was copping to.

www.adn.com

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"The record clearly indicates a serious and concentrated pattern of unacceptable and at times, illegal activity occurring over a lengthy period, which establishes a course of conduct totally at odds with the ethics of our profession," Col. Julia Grimes, then head of Alaska State Troopers, wrote in March 1, 2006, letter suspending Wooten for 10 days. After the union protested it, the suspension was reduced to five days.
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It seems to me that Palin, quite rightfully, felt that Wooten was under-punished for his heinous activities. Wooten felt that he was punished enough. Sarah disagreed. So do I. A _five day suspension_? Woo. A week off of work. We don't even know if it was a paid or unpaid suspension.

Betelg:

No idea how I missed that line, I read it pretty thoroughly. However, I did make a mistake in misunderstanding the headline.

Now, given that, I continue with my confusion, because the headline, while TECHNICALLY accurate, still remains incredibly disingenuous. I would also like to point out a line in the very next paragraph in the same report, which pretty much says "who cares?" in legalese:

"In Spite of that, Governor Palin's firing of Commissioner Monegan was a PROPER AND LAWFUL exercise (emphasis Fox's) of her constitutional and statutory authority to hire and fire executive branch department heads."

I'm not so blinded by person's party affiliation that I hold them to different standards because of it.

Cogent part for Frank to understand:

WOOTEN HIMSELF ADMITS TO TASING THE KID.

"One day -- maybe a year or two before the investigation -- Wooten showed his stepson his Taser. He had just been to Taser instructor school. Wooten told Sgt. Wall that the boy was fascinated and pleaded to be tased."

Doh, posted too fast.

Even if we are to go ahead and believe him, that the boy did, in fact, ask to be tased, hadn't he _just been through_ the training that informed him that the taser is NEVER to be used on children, the elderly, or the obviously diminished of capacity?

Evil intentions or not, at the very least Wooten is a total moron.

"Evil intentions or not, at the very least Wooten is a total moron."

Agreed.

Now, how does that justify Palin abusing her power?

OK Soheifox-you are right-he admitted it-now what?
Yes-I was being a douche.

At the very least he's an asswipe who should be beaten with the carcass of a dead moose.

BUT-St Sarah DID abuse the power of her Office.

Obama won.

Now, how does that justify Palin abusing her power?

#113 | Posted by Danforth at 2008-10-11 12:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

Danforth, do you see the part where they said "proper and lawful"? Looks to me like the very people who said she was abusing her power found it to be a justifiable under the circumstances. Kinda like how Clinton wasn't convicted on his impeachment becuase they thought his lie was justifiable under the circumstances.

Damnit, have some sense of fair play! Shades of grey exist. People aren't just automagically 100% wrong just because they're Republicans.

The bipartisan Legislative Council, which commissioned the probe, unanimously adopted the 263-page public report.

The thing that makes Palin look worst of all is that she at first said, "hold me accountable' and then did everything she could to keep this investigation from going forward.

Danforth-
I tend to agree with SoHeiFox on this one. Palin should probably be impeached for her abuse of power, but not convicted in the state senate.

Yeppers Obama won. I believe the Good guys are gonna win this one this Year. Bout damned time too.

Larry

"Danforth, do you see the part where they said "proper and lawful"? "

Yeah, right after "abuse of power".

"Damnit, have some sense of fair play!"

By endorsing her foul play?!?

"Kinda like how Clinton wasn't convicted on his impeachment becuase they thought his lie was justifiable under the circumstances."

No, they properly reasoned it didn't rise to the "high crimes and misdemeanors" level. Do you actually believe he should have been impeached for that?

"Looks to me like the very people who said she was abusing her power found it to be a justifiable under the circumstances."

"Justifiable?" Let me ask you this: Should elected people get to use the power of the office to retaliate in ways the citizenry legally can't?

That's the real question, and everything else is tap dancing.

She broke the rules so She MUST be thrown out or Her words about being against corruption are just meaningless. I say She should be an example upon Herself.

Larry

I tend to agree with SoHeiFox on this one. Palin should probably be impeached for her abuse of power, but not convicted in the state senate.

#120 | Posted by BetelG at 2008-10-11 12:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

...I personally believe Clinton's impeachment should have never made it as far as it ever did, but hey. I understand the need for due process, even if it is just a formality.

"Palin should probably be impeached for her abuse of power, but not convicted in the state senate."

Only if the opposition leader is currently getting someone fired inappropriately.

Mark my words. This is the nail in the coffin for McCain's Campaign.

She broke an ethics law. Not as bad as it could have been, but the whole "good ole small town values" crap McCain has been letting paliin pretend she has?(while shes been lying her ass off btw)

Done. Gone. Over.

Why is sohe allowed to not get a suspension? If you step out of line you get the boot. I guess we all have different rules.

I dunno, rasta...why don't you go look up his address you hypocritical freak?

More to the point, it certainly doesn't rise to the HC&M level, but the concept 'it's okay to abuse the process, because the brother-in-law was a jackass' is dead wrong. Good results with bad motivations don't suddenly exonerate the bad choices.

You shouldn't even be here Jackass/Hardcore/Messiah/ Rastaninja You was permanently banned from Here so You have no room to say ANYTHING about rules. You broke em and yet You come back. AMAZING.

Larry

Just for the record. Day 42 Palin watch:

0 press conferences
0 Sunday news shows
2 flunked interviews

Alexandrite I am not a hypocrite. You are the hypocrite. You want others to get punished for the same offenses you perpetrate but get away with.

You've been banned, jackass. Don't even deny it.

Rex calls you "JA" all the time.

So guess what? I'm not going to listen to your bullshit after you were banned. And I never did what you have done jackass. Get the fuck out of here, insect.

That might have something to do with the fact that I asked Rogers to read the thread. Turns out he agrees that baiting someone to do something, and then reporting them for doing it; thus trying to game the system in a childish manner, isn't worthy of a banning.


Gee--that sounds reasonable. Who baited you into doing something--what were you baited into doing---and who reported you?

The internet and it's forums are not a game that you "win" or "lose" and adults don't do such childish things.

Let's hope you can remember that in the future.

#92 | Posted by soheifox at 2008-10-10 10:45 PM | Reply

Larry whatever you think I did to you I apologize. Can you please just get over it.

Danforth, I don't know how many different ways I can say this to you: The investigators found her actions proper and lawful. Under the heinous circumstances, any person would have done the same. The only difference between Sarah Palin and Joe Blow is she had the power to do something about it.

And those responsible for the investigation said they found it to be a proper firing. That means it's over. Let it go. Find something else to attack her over; this has no legal legs at all. You're wasting your anger on something that's both morally correct (at least to me) and legally impotent.

Null, don't forget Hannity, with his hard-hitting questions...

Governor, if you were a tree, what tree would you be?

"Mark my words. This is the nail in the coffin for McCain's Campaign.

She broke an ethics law."

Hi Alex!

In a perfect world, I would agree with you. However, you have to keep in mind that republicans will vote for them anyway...party over anything.

They don't want to lose. They are still going to vote for them no matter what.

What Alexandrite said.

Larry

Larry I guess I am the better man. I can bury the hatchet and you can't.

Under the heinous circumstances, any person would have done the same.

But you don't know they were that heinous. Wooten already got in trouble and did his time, got his punishment.

The allegations going on in a nasty ass divorce could easily be total bullshit. Palin had no ethical right to use her power to pressure monegan to fire the state trooper.

The first concludes that Palin violated the state's executive branch ethics act, which says that "each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust."


Is this the person you want taking an oath to uphold the constitution?

But you don't know they were that heinous. Wooten already got in trouble and did his time, got his punishment.

#142 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2008-10-11 12:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

Dude, What, exactly, is not heinous about a cop who drinks beer in a state cruiser and tases a kid?

Sohe,

I don't really care about it...it's small potatoes at worst, and the contest has been over for a long time. I just disagree completely with giving individuals within the state any power-of-the-office control over singular citizens...even the creeps of society. I fear that's too slippery a slope.

SoHei-
Don't you mean "haineus", joe six pack?

I think LaRry is going to swallow his tounge.

Someone get the forceps and an extra large beach towel.

Larry don't get so worked up. You are going to blow a gasket.

SoHei-
Don't you mean "haineus", joe six pack?

#146 | Posted by BetelG at 2008-10-11 12:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

Sure, why not? Let's all speak French instead of English.

Rex- call rastaninja "JA" again. Save rogers the trouble of looking for it in your spam ridden archives.

McCain gets my respect for this:

www.crooksandliars.com

Big respect.

You guys have serious mental issues. I mean real, deep seated, crazy in the head mental issues.

I know you don't see that because you are so sick, but really, get help now.

You need it.

SoHei-
re:
"And those responsible for the investigation said they found it to be a proper firing."

Actually, the first finding was that it was an "abuse of power", which I thought you were clear on after I had to point it out in detail, including posting a link to the report, the page #, and the first paragraph under "FINDINGS".

(Are there two SoHeifox's, or does someone have the attention span of a gnat?)

#151 | Posted by Alexandrite

It's about time McCain said that. The way things are going all his supporters will believe shooting Obama supporters is not only OK but encouraged by the McCain campaign.

Sure, why not? Let's all speak French instead of English.

#149 | Posted by soheifox at 2008-10-11 12:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

LOL. That's how 'Sarah!' pronounces it.

Is she French?

Actually, the first finding was that it was an "abuse of power", which I thought you were clear on after I had to point it out in detail, including posting a link to the report, the page #, and the first paragraph under "FINDINGS".

(Are there two SoHeifox's, or does someone have the attention span of a gnat?)

#153 | Posted by BetelG at 2008-10-11 12:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

If I'm the one with a short attention span, Betel, why are you asking me to repeat myself? The very next paragraph states "who cares, though?" in legalese. We can wheel Joe or whoever the law student is over here but I assure you, it's not necessary. The short version is "yes she did wrong but we find it excusable."

Hey rex...

Are you ready for "President Hussein"?

Tough. It's gonna happen now.

LOL. That's how 'Sarah!' pronounces it.

Is she French?

#155 | Posted by BetelG at 2008-10-11 01:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

lol. Your spelling of it is the French for the same word, actually.


rex are you watching elite xc on cbs??

#108 | Posted by rastaninja at 2008-10-04 10:25 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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You're all over the place, Rex. You need to Focus.


#109 | Posted by cookfish at 2008-10-04 10:26 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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What? I am slowly working towards a creshendo Ted.....I'm building up to a next level presentation man!

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JA, don't tell me what happens, it doesn't come on here until 9 pm pacific.


I'm watching the Huskys drop to 0-5

#111 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2008-10-04 10:33 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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The short version is "yes she did wrong but we find it excusable."

#156 | Posted by soheifox at 2008-10-11 01:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

Which looks so good on the resume of a VP candidate a month before an election.

Which looks so good on the resume of a VP candidate a month before an election.

#160 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2008-10-11 01:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

Y'know, disqualifying your opponents because of an obscure (and repealed at the next chance)statute that seriously says that people's signatures legally aren't their signatures if they print them doesn't look very good on someone's resume either, but you're still going to vote for Obama.

And the Republicans will still vote for Palin. However, things like this disqualify me from voting for _either_ of them. I stopped being blind because of party affiliation.

soheifox- this is going to turn off a lot of undecided voters.

Most expecially the dishonet spin that this is somehow obama's fault. You know, that a bipartisan group decided 12-0 against her.

But fox is already blaming democrats. Dumb.

Soheifox- not using elected power to fuel vendettas via unelected spouses is an obscure statute?

hahahahaha...

But fox is already blaming democrats. Dumb.

#162 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2008-10-11 01:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'm hoping you mean Fox _news_ and not me, because I never said the Democrats were evil and pushed this investigation, or something like that. I try to keep the tinfoil hat over on the shelf.

Here's how a lawyer put it in layman's terms:

To put it another way, the Alaska constitution and statutes allow the Governor to do certain things, such as hire and fire officials at will. If she engages in illegally unethical behavior, she has still exercised her lawful authority. A court cannot overturn her actions as unconstitutional or contrary to the statutes setting forth how much authority she has.

But her exercise of power in an illegally unethical manner is still a violation of law -- a different law.

Think of it this way: Let's say that you are a major national politician and you have a gambling problem (as some do) and that you use your rich wife's money for your habit, without her knowledge or permission. Heck, let's even say that you took the money from your kids' school's fund for band uniforms and gambled with it.

You did not violate any statutory authority related to gambling. The casino can't say that, as punishment for stealing from the kids (an illegal act) you have to give your winnings back to the casino! Your punishment for that violation is elsewhere.

You still abused your power (violated the public trust) by acting in an unethical manner -- in fact, in a manner prohibited by law. It is a question, in part, of where the remedy lies for the stealing of the kids' money in my gambling example, or the abuse of the public trust in the case of Gov. Palin's actual actions.

Page 48 of the Report points out that Alaska's ethics law states:

The legislature reaffirms that each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust.

After listing 18 "events" of improper behavior by Sarah and Todd Palin, the Report says on page 67 that Gov. Palin "knowingly" engaged in various kinds of improper behavior with regard to Trooper Wooten and therefore "abused her power as Governor" and "violated . . . the Ethics Act."

The Report also said on page 65 that "compliance with the code of ethics is not optional" and that the efforts to benefit her personal interests was a violation of "trust."

On page 71, the Report notes that the Constitution of Alaska allows the Governor to fire the head of any department for "virtually any reason." It notes that she could have had some reasons in additional to her unethical motives, and that is enough to make the action constitutional.

Soheifox- not using elected power to fuel vendettas via unelected spouses is an obscure statute?

hahahahaha...

#163 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2008-10-11 01:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

Did you miss the part where I said that these things prevent me from voting for _either_ of them?

I'm hoping you mean Fox _news_ and not me,

Absolutely. Sorry for the confusion, it didn't even occur to me that you may think i was referring to you.

Did you miss the part where I said that these things prevent me from voting for _either_ of them?

#166 | Posted by soheifox at 2008-10-11 01:19 AM | Reply | Flag:


No, but it's hardly an obscure statute. Every state appears to have similar laws written. And for good reason.

This stinks. It's gonna cost McCain the last few votes he could spare. He's done.

This stinks. It's gonna cost McCain the last few votes he could spare. He's done.

Posted by Alexandrite at 2008-10-11 01:27 AM | Reply

Smells good to Me. You know what they say Karma is a bitch and Her bite is worse than Yours.

Larry

This stinks. It's gonna cost McCain the last few votes he could spare. He's done.

#168 | Posted by Alexandrite

You sound sad for Mcsame. This is bad for the rethuglicans but good for America.

No, but it's hardly an obscure statute. Every state appears to have similar laws written. And for good reason.

This stinks. It's gonna cost McCain the last few votes he could spare. He's done.

#168 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2008-10-11 01:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

Actually, what most states have is statute requiring that, if such signature is to be disqualified, they have to send out a letter to the person thusly disqualified asking them to verify their signature, or time allotted other defensive measures taken. Every state in the Union is aware that not everyone can write cursive. That's why documents still ask for your signature or your "mark".

Illinois used to allow them to be disqualified the same day as the total signatures are required. Essentially, every OTHER state allots for a required amount of time for the signatures to be defended. Disqualification was not automatic, the disputed signatures were simply held in abeyance for the time being. Illinois, foolishly, had no such provision, and that's why Obama, with clear selfish intent, held onto this until the last few possible hours. This loophole was closed up almost immediately thereafter.

So, I guess what I should have said was "Obama took advantage of the lack of an obscure statute, to win dishonestly. He had plenty of time to point out the error in the law, but instead raped the clear intent of the law using a loophole. That's not impressive on the resume of a presidential candidate, but you're going to vote for Obama anyway."

Yeah, cuz that's exactly as bad as using your spouse and your power for a vendetta after a bitter divorce.

And it breaks a state ethics law too, right? And a judge ruled that Obama's conduct was hurting children, right? Didn't think so.

Although I'll be honest, I was prepared at one point to forgive Obama for that piece of weasel work. It was the treatment of Hillary that pushed me further, however I was STILL willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. The final nail was the FISA betrayal. That cut me loose and now my vote will no longer go to the lesser of evils. It won't go to evil of any kind, ever again.

And yeah.. Hillary, if she won, woulda still been a lesser of evils. I'm kinda glad for my own growth this turned out the way it did.

Good deflection though, soheifox. A for effort.

The final nail was the FISA betrayal.

I'm with you on that one, actually.

But I thought Hillary treated Obama much much worse than he treated her. She threw the kitchen sink at the guy and doomed her own VP candidacy doing it.

Yeah, cuz that's exactly as bad as using your spouse and your power for a vendetta after a bitter divorce.

#172 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2008-10-11 01:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

Actually, it's far, FAR worse. Palin fired a jerk who wouldn't fire a scumbag.

Obama subverted the Democratic process entirely, thus removing any choice from the people. There's a GIANT difference there. I was, as I said, at one time willing to forgive it, but not any more.

What do You mean treatment of Hillary?? Hillary did Her level best to trash ole Obama . It was Her trying to tarnish Obama not the other way around. Oh and I am still pissed about the FISA Bill.(Now Law) Maybe He will reverse it when He becomes President.

Larry

"That cut me loose and now my vote will no longer go to the lesser of evils. It won't go to evil of any kind, ever again."

Well aren't you special. It must be nice to feel superior to everyone and stick your nose up in the air and pretend that your choice is a non-choice.

Got a link for that story, soheifox?

Well aren't you special. It must be nice to feel superior to everyone and stick your nose up in the air and pretend that your choice is a non-choice.

#178 | Posted by nullifidian at 2008-10-11 01:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

Some people have different morals then others. It takes events to open their eyes. I freely admit that these are the events that opened my eyes. Of course I believe I am in possession of the Truth (tm) just like others who say a third party vote is wasted think they are. Turns out Truth(tm) on things like this are entirely subjective.

Of course I feel I am right and those who disagree with me are wrong, Nulli. That's called "conviction". Are you implying that it's only okay for someone to have conviction if they agree with you?

Nulli. That's called "conviction".

I call it being pigheaded and wrong.

Here's one at random:

online.wsj.com

Really, a google search for "Obama disqualified opponents" (without quotes) turns up a whole pile of links. Is this really news to you? I thought all Obama supporters knew this and just didn't care or something.

I wanted to see some links. Is that so bad?

i've heard the story, but haven't had a chance to research it yet.

Although it is entirely possible that I only know about this because of personal knowledge. My brother was one of the ones who's signature "wasn't his signature" because he doesn't use cursive. He was told his signature, for Alice Palmer, incidentally, was disqualified the same day as the signatures were to be tallied to determine which names appeared on the ballot. He wasn't very happy about it, it was going to be his first time voting. He abstained rather then vote, since his candidate was removed unfairly. Wouldn't have mattered anyway; Obama ran unopposed due to these dirty tricks.

So it's entirely possible I thought it was common knowledge only because of personal experience. That is a fallacy, anecdotal knowledge being held as universal, and I may have committed it.

To other Obama supporters reading this thread, a mini poll.. was this news to you as well, or did you already know and just not care?

I wanted to see some links. Is that so bad?

i've heard the story, but haven't had a chance to research it yet.

#183 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2008-10-11 01:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

I wasn't trying to be snide, I honestly am wondering if this is not widely known.

although I'll have to followup on the informal poll tomorrow. gnight.

I so hope so. I am getting sick and tired of worrying.

Larry

I just saw a McCain advert over on YouTube talking about Obama and Acorn. 1.5 min long so you won't see too much of it on prime time. Not a bad ad, but NOW, with the TrooperGate revelation, this could come back and bite McCain. The last 10 seconds, referring to Obama contain "Bad judgment, blind ambition." I could see this turned back onto Palin. Not a good thing.

Republicans are all about valid signatures by voters--yet they get upset when Obama seeks to have valid signatures accepted for acceptance on the ballot? I missed the part where there is something wrong with that?

I know who Sarah Palin is. She is the elusive GILF. For a long time I thought that they were simply mythical creatures like the unicorn or mermaid but her existance while her daughter is about to have a baby is proof that it is possible. How could we in good concience not elect this wonderful creature into office?

P.S. I would hit that.

How could we in good concience not elect this wonderful creature into office?

Because she isn't qualified? Because she's a secessionist nutcase?

Quit thinking with your scrotum. Voting for candidates because you'd 'like to have a beer with them', or now, because you'd 'like to share a bed with them' doesn't turn out so well - as Bush proved

Hmmm, I didn't think I was sexually attracted to Bush.

Honestly, I didn't vote for Bush because I liked him as a presidential candidate. I DIDN'T. I simply saw him as the lesser of two evils. The same thing is happening this election and I am favoring McCain even though I do not agree with some of his views and think he is too old, I see him as the lesser of the two evils.

I am also not voting for McCain because Palin is sexy. That is just a not so hidden bonus. :)

I am also not voting for McCain because Palin is sexy. That is just a not so hidden bonus. :)

Sorry for the double post.

Troopergate was so larded with partisan agenda that it will only embarass Sarah but not change votes.

A serious lesson for a better Sarah in future.

So, instead of a highly qualified candidate (Gore) you voted for the 'lesser of two evils'?

Thanks for helping fuck up our country

You're a Karl Rove dream....

"Clinton didn't get any punishment besides embarrassment and a completely symbolic "disbarment" for his abuse of power, so there's no need to have such a hardon for giving Palin worse punishment, mmkay?"

Soheifox:

Nobody's screaming for her head - but her abuse of power was found to be (in the words of the investigators) "unlawful". Now, usually when something unlawful is done, the law imposes punishment. Whatever it is in this case (probably censure; I can't imagine impeachment coming out of this), let's see that the woman gets it. She has been found guilty of an unlawful act, pure and simple.

If you righties want Palin to be free of censure, let her refrain from committing censurable acts.

And now instead of a highly qualified candidate (McCain) you wish me to vote for Obama.

Thanks for helping fuck up our future.

You are a Jimmy Carter dream.

TAKITEZ

You keep repeating that bullshit to yourself hoping somehow that will make it true. Lest you forget this was an investigation she welcomed until McCain called.

Dahlstrom Republican
Coghill Republican
Harris Republican
Samuels Republican
Wilson Republican
Cowdery Republican
Green Republican
Stevens Republican
Wilken Republican
Stoltz Republican
Guttenburg Democrat
Davis Democrat
Hoffman Democrat
Elton Democrat

Jimmy Carter was also handed an economy in shambles.

Happy losing.....

A lot's gone down since you got out of the big house.

Lord the delusions keep on slipping slipping slipping into the future. God it must suck being a blind Bushite. How do they get around anyways?? Do they use some Bushite stick instead of white it's red Praise Jesus for I wasn't blind to Dubya's bullshit. Praise His holy name.

Larry

Hmmm, I didn't think I was sexually attracted to Bush.

#4 | Posted by HateMondays

Well, now you do .... 'bunkie'

A lot's gone down since you got out of the big house.

#12 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY


OK maybe you are just being retarded (Democrat) but I have no fucking idea what you mean by this.

Oh and For Jimmy carter I was not only talking about the economy but the situations in the middle east in which he STILL sides with terrorists.

I am also not voting for McCain because Palin is sexy. That is just a not so hidden bonus. :)

Posted by HateMondays

An unvetted secessionist. You DO know what the AIP stands for, don't you?

You Bush voters are amazingly lacking in brain cells.

Oh and For Jimmy carter I was not only talking about the economy but the situations in the middle east in which he STILL sides with terrorists.

#15 | Posted by HateMondays

You mean Ronald Reagan - who gave the Iranians who kidnapped our citizens missiles.

No I mean Jimmy carter who chills with Hamas leaders and gets mad at Israel for fighting back against terrorists.

Yeah, that missile thing kinda sucks though.

I am not telling you that Republicans are infallible, only that I think McCain is a better candidate than Obama. And Jimmy Carter should kill himself.

I"m gonna let you argue with yourself now

BTW If there was a more experienced democrat that was running, there would be a good chance that I would vote for them. I am primarily republican but I will do what I think is best for the country.

What time zone are you in? Isn't it really late/early there?

FYI kid

Jimmy Carter is the only President who's negotiated a peace accord that's stood the test of time - between Israel and Egypt.

I suppose you consider W a master peacemaker too?

Republican reasoning is laughable

One last thing kid:

George W Bush didn't give the Israel - (name your country) peace process the time of day until last year. Not once. Nada.

Nite. Read your history books, quit believing the idiots on the radio, and you'll be further ahead of the game.

If there was a more experienced democrat that was running, there would be a good chance that I would vote for them. I am primarily republican but I will do what I think is best for the country.

So, handing the keys to the kingdom to an erratic 72 year old man who can't control his temper and wants to carry on Bush's policies is 'best for the country'?

I don't understand your reasoning. You do read newspapers and get TV don't ya?

I think Sarah should shuck her fake religious anti gay anti abortion stance image and try Porn.

I think Sarah should shuck her fake religious anti gay anti abortion stance image and try Porn.

Can't she do both?

"Can't she do both?"

Posted by eberly

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DRUDGE, are you now a tool of the NEW YORK TIMES?

"Palin violated the state's executive branch ethics act".

I thought that was a mandatory requirement to run for office as a Gopper?

Will saint sarah drop out to defend her honor? Not a chance in hell.

btw-McCadaver dropped another 2/10s overnight in RCP averages. The bailing bucket musta sprung a leak too.

Palin exercised her executive privilege of hiring and firing. Had it not been made into a partisan witch hunt by the dems with some disgruntled reps, the result would have waited until after November 4.

But again the political agenda has diluted the whole process and it was no more an October surprise. The sting was lost long ago and Sarah Palin won hands down and heels on.

Things keep playing into Palin's hand: the new teflon politician!

" a partisan witch hunt "
takyermeds


"The 14-member, Republican-dominated Legislative Council met in closed session this morning with Branchflower. After seven hours of exhaustive review, the legislators voted unanimously to release the report to the public. "

I can see it now...

Sarah Cheney...er, ah, Palin in the VP office honing her appetite for personal vendettas....Whoops, Pres McAint gotta go in for chemo for melanoma!

No worries, Rove, Alberto, Libbey et. al. will step in and direct Sarah to do their bidding. ("Dont worry Mrs Pres, we are sure that John wants us to...fill in the blank________.

Oh, you say, they wont be there?

Do tell who, then will be directing her?

Cause she sure aint up to the task.

If she wants to be seen as a legit Pres aspirant, she has to go on the Sunday morning news shows.

Till then, she is just stage dressing for Old Man McAint.

Splain me how I'm wrong.

Dont waste your time trying to reason with Takitez, the poor dear is just another sad case of raging mental health issues with nobody around to see to it that he/she takes the meds.

The Legislative council lost credibility when it decided to go along with the partisan agenda of French and Branchflower (intent on the OCTOBER SURPRISE).

That is why I said it should have waited until after Nov 4.

Teflon Palin won hands down and heels on!

See what I mean?

Takitezy,
Any other secrets you want hidden till after we elect a candidate?

"I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110 (a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act," investigator Steve Branchflower concluded in the panel's 263-page report.

Damn, on top of her plate fulla crazy fundy crap and the fact that she not only pals around with but actually sleeps with a real American hatin' seccessionist this oughta be the final nail in the coffin of John "Bad Judgement" McCadaver.

The true believers will, of course, excuse and deny but the indy crowd and the uncommitteds won't.

G08ama!

Be Well.

/Spud knew this thread would be up by the time he got here.
//Wot about the Colin Powell sez "Ted Stevens is Sterling" thang?
///Ya got that too? Man Spud has got to start getting up earlier.
////And yes, dethspid has yet agin entered the Raucous Retort, as ya do
stage left.

dethspid = dethspud.

Sorry, but Spud is still precaffeinated.

Serious need fer coffee now.

Be Well.

Any release of findings before November 4 is suspect --- French opened his Michael Moore's mouth about an Octobor surprise and that tainted the whole matter. And that handed Teflon Palin an advanced victory.

I like "Teflon Palin" -

she is ALL Teflon, all surface, and there is nothing behind it (except the reproductive system)


She should be sent back to mooseville in chains-and Prison Orange.
Maybe-when she gets out of Prison-she can run for VP again......

#6 | Posted by frankf55


and again

liberal fucks who want to throw people in jail who ARE INNOCENT of breaking any law

see tom delay on almost any issue........


and yet they are the party of diversity and compassion............yeah right......

and as I have pointed out all along from the words of the DEMOCRAT IN CHARGE OF THIS hunt........when he said that there would be an october surprise and then caught himself when he said that he had talked too much

it was a partisan finding and this is all they could come up with.,...............

more witch hunting that has failed............

Palin broke ethics laws in Alaska. McCains had one choice to make for VP, and he blew it. His judgement is not sound. How can this man vet cabinet appointees--judges etc, when he can't even vet his VP pick.

Sarah Palin is guilty of ethics violations---we need someone with strong ethics in Washington---not more of the same thing we already have.

French abused his office by using government money to promote partisan agenda in going after Teflon Palin. And Branchflower surrendered any sense of professionalism by pushing forward a partisan agenda.

But I am glad to see the taunted October Surprise reduced to a turnaround against the witch hunters.

This one cracks me up.
You libs are all over this and yet you could use all of your "attacks" or "logic" on Obama. In fact you would find far worse cases of using "political power"... (Hello Rhizo...)

"She burns people." (Again look into the Obama, Rhizo deals...)

"What I wanna see is all the Palindrones try to explain this away. You know - how it wasn't really that big a deal, how it's done all the time, how nobody should worry about stuff like this....."
(Again same could be said about Obama...Examples. Bill Ayers, Rev Wright, Rhizo, Fannie mae, Freddie Mac)
purplepeoplevote.com

As you can see "lib's" you need to use your same thought and logic on your main man Obama. If you do so, you will find far worse cases of corruption.

Surprised you had the balls to show up BL2 after your display of idiocy on this topic just yesterday.

Please tell us again how she has been 'cleared of all charges' and how I need to watch the news you dumb fucking clown.

BUFFALO BOB: "we need someone with strong ethics in Washington"
Please liberal moron, tell me. Barry Frank, Streatch Polosie, Chris Dodd, Dirty Harry, whos four sons are lobbist? How about Hillary or Sandy Burglar.

"But I am glad to see the taunted October Surprise reduced to a turnaround against the witch hunters."

Palin's Witch Hunting Pastor:

www.google.com

Liblayer

I missed the part where Obama was found guilty of ethics violations---got a link?

Here is the link to where Palin was found guilty of ethics laws violations in Alaska.

I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110 (a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act.

download2.legis.state.ak.us

With the republican controlled legislature--of course nothing will happen to Palin, even though she could, and should, be impeached.

Please liberal moron, tell me. Barry Frank, Streatch Polosie, Chris Dodd, Dirty Harry, whos four sons are lobbist? How about Hillary or Sandy Burglar.

#241 | Posted by ozzieoswald at 2008-10-11 11:44 AM | Reply


I missed where they were found guilty of ethic violations---got a link? Do you think any of them are running for President and VP?

Put up or shut up, I always say. I guess what you always say comes out the other end.


Palin broke ethics laws in Alaska. McCains had one choice to make for VP, and he blew it. His judgement is not sound. How can this man vet cabinet appointees--judges etc, when he can't even vet his VP pick.


Sarah Palin is guilty of ethics violations---we need someone with strong ethics in Washington---not more of the same thing we already have.

#237 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at


YOU ARE WRONG>......she broke no laws and YOU FUCKIN KNOW IT

BUFFALO BOB: "With republican controlled legislature". Do you mean similar to the democratic congress who is now protecting Barry Frank and Chris Dodd?


Surprised you had the balls to show up BL2 after your display of idiocy on this topic just yesterday.


Please tell us again how she has been 'cleared of all charges' and how I need to watch the news you dumb fucking clown.

#240 | Posted by Manypaths at 2008


read it again you liberal fuck............

she broke no law......and even the abuse of power charge is coming from a partisan group who obviously have been 'vetted' by the dnc.........

so dont give me your bullshit...........

you say all this and yet.
WE ARENT ALLOWED TO EVEN TALK ABOUT BARRY"S ASSOCIATION WITH REZKO who IS IN FUCKIN JAIL Or is on his way...........


or a man who BLEW UP SHIT IN THE 60's and says his only disappointment is not BLOWING UP MORE SHIT...........

BULLALO BOB: Got a link. My ass and your face!

and oh yeah

none of you scare me here at all........so you can try and shut me up if you want to but that only shows your insecurity in your ideas, not mine

"partisan group"

From the article: "The 14-member, Republican-dominated Legislative Council"

Apologies to lint everywhere.

YOU ARE WRONG>......she broke no laws and YOU FUCKIN KNOW IT

#245 | Posted by bushlovertwo at 2008-10-11 11:53 AM | Reply | Flag


I guess you didn't read the report. Here is where it says she broke the ethics laws.

I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110 (a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act.

download2.legis.state.ak.us


BUSHLOVERTWO: Your up against this liberal blog. Drudge is a tool of the liberal assholes who use this blog. Don't get discouraged, let them pontificate and make ASSHOLES out of themselves.
BE CAREFULL, DRUDGE suspends conservative veiw points WHEN THEY MAKE ASSHOLE LIBS LOOK BAD.

Expect incoming wing-nut talking points in 3, 2, ...1

she broke no law......and even the abuse of power charge is coming from a partisan group who obviously have been 'vetted' by the dnc.........

And she's purty too!

WE ARENT ALLOWED TO EVEN TALK ABOUT BARRY"S ASSOCIATION WITH REZKO who IS IN FUCKIN JAIL Or is on his way...........

or a man who BLEW UP SHIT IN THE 60's and says his only disappointment is not BLOWING UP MORE SHIT...........

Rezko and Ayers, BLT?

You fergot Wright!

C'mon, get yer talking points together, the election is just around the corner.

/Ha! Is nothing funnier than a rethug coming at ya armed with only a broken crayon.

Spud to BLT:

The right are gonna lose this time out, BLT.

/By double digits just as Spud is predict eons ago.

They so deserve to lose it aint even funny.

Face it. You got nothing.

Now deal with it.

Be Well.

Apologies to lint everywhere.

#250 | POSTED BY ZATOICHI AT 2008-10-11 11:58 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Dead-on accurate.

BE CAREFULL, DRUDGE suspends conservative veiw points WHEN THEY MAKE ASSHOLE LIBS LOOK BAD.

~OohsandOz

Ha! Spud is call shenanigans on yer bullshit.

Suspensions are NOT politically motivated.

Spud's been here fer almost four years now and can say this fer true.

You get suspended fer overly egregious postings of a personal nature against others. That and "Never threaten the life of a public official" are really the only rules hereabouts 'cept maybe fer "spambots will be shot on sight, survivors will be shot agin".

FYI, folks on the left and the right and in between have spent time under the ban hammer.

This includes Spud, of course.

Spud understands that all you Rtards have left is yer hate, lies and misinformation but seriously dude did you really think that obviously untrue assertion was gonna go unchallenged or are you just trying to distract from the fact that McCain/Palin is so McLame it's FAILin'?

There are some blogs on the left and right who selectively allow only points of view that agree with the site's owner(s).

Spud calls these places "echo chambers"

Sterile, empty and devoid of true debate.

The Rawkin' Retort does not number among them.

Learn this fer true.

Be Well.

After years of getting his ass kicked by reality here on Drudge, BLT has finally snapped and will be sharing a trailer with Niceville and Lokisfur in Buttfuck Florida....

Investigator: Palin Abused Power


WOW!!!


I was VERY surprised to see CNN criticizing the "Investigation" as a Liberal plot. I was watching CNN last night and they kept saying it over and over. It surprized me because I thgouth they were leaning to the left and I never thought.


BUSHLOVERTWO: Your up against this liberal blog. Drudge is a tool of the liberal assholes who use this blog. Don't get discouraged, let them pontificate and make ASSHOLES out of themselves.
BE CAREFULL, DRUDGE suspends conservative veiw points WHEN THEY MAKE ASSHOLE LIBS LOOK BAD.

#252 | Posted by ozzieoswald


thanks for the support but I have found that if the only time I get rude with one of them is after they are rude with me, I usually have little to worry about from the "godfather".........you might know him as rcade........
I have not used some language that he has personnaly told me was so offensive that it would be cut out in some time........

and you have to admit, for a liberal blog there are plenty of us here who know the truth and even though obama might win all I have to do is remind us all of 1976-80......

reagan won because dems were in power then and things were terrible and he lasted ONE TERM
which IF IT HAPPENS and we head even more socialist with the dems.............there is always 2012...
you know as long as we dont get too much like chavez..........a REAL democrat hero.........

and our free speach is destroyed so much that we cant get out the truth........


and another thing

we read here all the time about the republicans having all houses for so long.

well obama in the white house and a dem congress will really put pressure on them and then

JUST WAIT.........the drudge reTORT might be more like a krystal site than they would ever care to admit


gotta go

everyone have a great weekend

"I thgouth they were leaning to the left and I never thought."

#257 | Posted by Eddie at 2008-10-11 12:24 PM | Reply | Flag: Remarkable honesty

I guess you didn't read the report. Here is where it says she broke the ethics laws.

I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110 (a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act.

download2.legis.state.ak.us
#251 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob


Yeah, but, CNN finds it to be a Liberal plot, so I'm confused about who is abusing power here.

Perhaps there needs to be an Investigation of the Investigator.


After years of getting his ass kicked by reality here on Drudge, BLT has finally snapped and will be sharing a trailer with Niceville and Lokisfur in Buttfuck Florida....

#256 | Posted by northguy3 at 2008-10-11


very clever.............maybe next time you might actuall be humorous..................NAW.
......

CNN has always been a right wing lap dog. The only time they report good things about liberals is when forced to by world opinion.

The media has been right wing since 1982.

"and our free speach"

Eat a speach?

I was VERY surprised to see CNN criticizing the "Investigation" as a Liberal plot

~Eddie.

O rly? Spud aint.

CNN stands for Corporate News Network.

Always has and always will.

There is a consistent flow of people from Politics to BigBiz to Lobbyists to Media and back again.

It's a revolving door that just keeps spinning faster every year.

More people need to recognise the fact that both parties, all MSM over a certain size, all lobbying firms and all megacorps all share share a similar agenda.

/Clue: Their agenda aint the long term best interests of the majority but rather the exploitation of the "bewildered herd" by their monetary masters.

Obama seems to be running away with this election and that upsets the delicate 49/51% solution they've worked so hard to achieve. Ergo they will report this latest blow to the McBush/FAILin camp but they will cushion the blow by suggesting it's a liberal plot.

Once you know their game it all becomes much more obvious.

Be Well.


BUSHLOVERTWO: Your up against this liberal blog. Drudge is a tool of the liberal assholes who use this blog. Don't get discouraged, let them pontificate and make ASSHOLES out of themselves.
BE CAREFULL, DRUDGE suspends conservative veiw points WHEN THEY MAKE ASSHOLE LIBS LOOK BAD.

#252 | Posted by ozzieoswald


What I have found to my disapoointment is that people on both sides tend to stick to their argument be it right or wrong


CNN stands for Corporate News Network.

Always has and always will.

#264 | Posted by dethspud


Not really, spud.

All last year, CNN was venomously anti-Bush.

Maybe, they like McCain over there.

Palin no longer has the credibility to talk about trust and ethics issues. As an attack dog, she is now useless. McCain should use the accusation that she abused her power as governor to evict her from the ticket (assuming of course that he could find someone to replace her). Palin's future as a politician of national stature is badly tarnished.

The wheels have come off the Straight Talk Express bus and it is on the side of the road in a ditch.

Wow, Palin gets ride of a bad cop and she's a bad person.
Obama hangs with Bill Fucking Ayres and Rev Wright. But yet he is the messiah. Obama comes from the most corrupt political machine in the US.. (Chicago) But yet he is the messiah. Obama Has voted present over 100 times. Obama has shady dealings with Rhizo.. But yet he is the messiah...


Palin no longer has the credibility to talk about trust and ethics issues.

#267 | Posted by FedUpWithPols


Then you must be as equally "fed up" with Obama, then, right?

He has constantly lied and used unfounded "facts" in the debates (not to mention his speeches).

So did McCain.

He's a good and eloquent speaker and you are completely sucked in.

To see one and not the other suggests a closed mind.

When Obama wins, you will be responible for the things that unfold in 2009. These things will make 911 look like a day in the park. We all will be craving the post-911 days as the good ole days.

Eddie

It's all in how you look at it. weeding out the lib's just might be the "good ole days...."

Wow, Palin gets ride of a bad cop and she's a bad person.
Obama hangs with Bill Fucking Ayres and Rev Wright. But yet he is the messiah.


Don't forget Farrakhan!!!

Farrakhan used the word!

(and I don't think he meant messenger)


Eddie


It's all in how you look at it. weeding out the lib's just might be the "good ole days...."

#270 | Posted by libslayer


No, that's not what I mean. Obama will bring the collapse of the Dollar and martial law to the cities of America.

God I wished they had ejection seats for trools and trolls. It would eject them into the 7th layer of hell and chew em up. That would be sweet.

Larry

When Obama wins, you will be responible for the things that unfold in 2009

Planning any type of major event takes time and money. If something happens in 2009, the seeds for the event would have been sown prior to 2009.

I find it interesting that people are so gullible as to think that a single person (albeit the president) has such control. Where Bush got into trouble is appointing people to major positions who were either incompetent or to willing to put politics above duty. I don't believe Obama will make that same mistake. Time will tell.

He (Obama) has constantly lied and used unfounded "facts" in the debates
What has Obama "lied" about. If you mean that he like other politicians have only told part of the truth, then I would say that he has borrowed several pages from the Republican play book.

Todd Palin is a known pal of the radical Alaskan Independent Party.

When will these "conservatives" open their eyes and ears and actually realize what is going on?

The Repubs until just 3 weeks ago were saying the economy is STRONG!!!! Repubs are completely ignorant.

Todd Palin is a known pal of the radical Alaskan Independent Party.
When will these "conservatives" open their eyes and ears and actually realize what is going on?
The Repubs until just 3 weeks ago were saying the economy is STRONG!!!! Repubs are completely ignorant.

#275 | POSTED BY AK_PATEL

Sorry...I was wrong. Todd Palin is a known member of the AIP.

Eddie

Wouldn't you be happier in a country with no liberals? A country filled with people who think like you do? I'd sure like a country with no conservatives.

Think about it---you wouldn't have Obama as a President for the next 8 years, and this year, your Presidential choices would be between Romney and McCain--wouldn't that be great?

I'm sure liberals have nothing to offer your country---they want to redistribute your wealth to poor people who don't want to work---they want gays to be able to marry---they want rich people to pay most of the taxes---they don't want Jesus in schools--they want to kill babies--all things you could correct in your own country.

Join me in the struggle for two Americas---we are already separated in fact---we just need it legalized. You could laugh at the foolish liberals while your great country proves them wrong at every turn. Wouldn't that be better than fighting liberal thinking that screws up your country your whole life?

Obama will bring the collapse of the Dollar

Where have you been the last few weeks let alone the last few years. Bush (like Regan) has run up massive debt and it will be up to Democrats to right the ship. Regan's debt was bad enough but Bush? Our grand children are going to be paying for the enormous debt that Bush has run up. And you are trying to blame Obama before he has even been elected? Get real.

God I wished they had ejection seats for trools and trolls. It would eject them into the 7th layer of hell and chew em up. That would be sweet.

Larry

#273 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2008-10-11 01:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

...so you want to..... kill everyone who disagrees with you?

Might wanna rethink that, Larry.

I didn't say those that I disagree with just trools and trolls that's all.

Larry

Then you must be as equally "fed up" with Obama, then, right?
He has constantly lied and used unfounded "facts" in the debates (not to mention his speeches).
So did McCain.
He's a good and eloquent speaker and you are completely sucked in.
To see one and not the other suggests a closed mind.
When Obama wins, you will be responible for the things that unfold in 2009. These things will make 911 look like a day in the park. We all will be craving the post-911 days as the good ole days.
#269 | POSTED BY EDDIE
******************************
*****************

You are to blame for our FUCKED UP economy, the war, and everything wrong right now since you most definitely voted for BUSH W both time!

Research the facts. Repubs have never kept true to their fiscal ideology. They ALWAYS SPEND MORE! Our deficit is now FUCKED because of you.

You are really beyond ignorant since you obviously choose to ignore the facts.

YOU FUCKED UP 2001-2008

from the article:

It was not immediately clear whether legislators would seek punishment or censure for Palin as a result of the probe's findings.

Okay, so if Palin gets either "punishment or censure" due to the findings of the investigation, then what happens to her role as VP? Anything? Nothing?


I didn't say those that I disagree with just trools and trolls that's all.

Larry

#280 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2008-10-11 01:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

A troll is someone who posts random offtopic crap or just puts fiery issues up to cause trouble. Your definition of troll seems a bit more.. broad then the rest of ours.

Based on your past interactions with others here, Larry, you call those who disagree with you trolls. You're essentially saying (based only on your latest example) that you wish you could kill Eddie?

Soheifox

I heard saw on the news this morning it's already snowing in Montana! Stay warm.


Eddie

Wouldn't you be happier in a country with no liberals? A country filled with people who think like you do? I'd sure like a country with no conservatives.

#277 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

Actually, I would like a country with MORE people who pull their own weight.

heard = delete it

Research the facts. Repubs have never kept true to their fiscal ideology.

YOU FUCKED UP 2001-2008

#281 | Posted by ak_patel


i did the research... 2 words... BARNEY FRANK

(he's a Democrat in case you don't know that)

Don't take it too serious, Lar, I'm just giving you a hard time.


I didn't say those that I disagree with just trools and trolls that's all.


Larry

#280 | Posted by LarryMohr


You're right Larry. That was a troll act on my part. It was off topic.

(I'm just feeling kind of frieghtened today. Alone, in the dark)

It seems that we are going from one bad President to the next. I really don't think Obama is going to be able to stop the neocon (PNAC) frieght train.

Soheifox

I heard saw on the news this morning it's already snowing in Montana! Stay warm.

#284 | Posted by CalifChris at 2008-10-11 02:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Not around here, and I sure wish it was. I'm a big Christmas nut, year-round (my poor wife) and at the first snow I always make a big giant carafe of hot chocolate and turn on the music and plug in my lil village that she lets me keep up all year.

More "black is white" from the dumb woman-who-would-be-queen:

"If you read the report, you will see that there was nothing unlawful or unethical about replacing a cabinet member," Palin said as boarded her campaign bus in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. "You got to read the report."

But the report clearly reads:
"Gov. Palin knowingly permitted a situation to continue where impermissible pressure was placed on several subordinates in order to advance a personal agenda,"

Maybe Katherine Harris II should read the report HERSELF.

You are really beyond ignorant since you obviously choose to ignore the facts.


YOU FUCKED UP 2001-2008

#281 | Posted by ak_patel

Really? Republicans are completely responsible for what's been happen over the past 8 years? Your ignorance does not allow you to expand you knowledge to anything past the last 8 years or anything outside the Republican party.

The trend that has finally brought us to today started in 1995. There was a Democrat as President!

Have Democrats been completely null and void of any power? They've had a voice, and a very powerful voice in Congress and they were too wimpy to take down the forces that are bring this country down.

How about Europe? They have done nothing about this but complain, mostly because they HAD Iraq before the invasion and are VERY bitter about it, but too wimpy to do anything about it. Europe had everything to gain by Saddam being in power. Eventually Saddam was trading oil for Euros.

They ALWAYS SPEND MORE! Our deficit is now FUCKED because of you.

You are really beyond ignorant since you obviously choose to ignore the facts.

#281 | Posted by ak_patel


Let's test your knowledge Einstein.

Republicans spend more on Military. This is easily stopped and very easy to balance the budget.

However, Clinton's budget, every time, was so far in the red with Social Programs, but Congress gave him back a balanced budget every time.

You see, it's very easy to cut military spending but EXTREMELY difficult to cut social spending. You get rediculas things coming out of Liberal's mouths like "And he cut health care for children". Who the hell said that a child is anyone under 28 years old!!!! You see what I mean?


However, Clinton's budget, every time, was so far in the red with Social Programs, but Congress gave him back a balanced budget every time.

8 Years of Clinton ................8 Years of Bush


What's in Your Wallet?


You see, it's very easy to cut military spending


ROTFLMAO

www.youtube.com

"Congress gave (Clinton) back a balanced budget every time."

Bullshit.

However, Clinton's budget, every time, was so far in the red with Social Programs, but Congress gave him back a balanced budget every time.


8 Years of Clinton ................8 Years of Bush


What's in Your Wallet?


#294 | Posted by Zap


8 years of Clinton = overheated economy, brought on by Greenspan printing money out of thin air.

Look at the stock market since 1970!!!


Are you THAT naive?


"Congress gave (Clinton) back a balanced budget every time."


Bullshit.

#296 | Posted by Danforth


LOL!!! Can't handling it can you?

Look it up!

You see, it's very easy to cut military spending


ROTFLMAO


www.youtube.com


#295 | Posted by Zap


What are you laughing at? Have you really considered the political ramifications of cutting Social Programs? Cutting military spending gets you votes and cutting social programs gets you kicked out of office. (However, printing money out of thin air gets you both, votes and a huge military)

You look like a fool, laughing. :D

"Can't handling it can you? "

Ya gotta love the self-retorting retort.

"Look it up!"

Your claim, your responsibility.

.....As their marriage ended, Wooten allegedly threatened McCann and the father of the two women, used a Taser on his stepson as part of a demonstration, shot a moose without a permit and drank beer just before operating his patrol car......


Posting this keeps liberals honest.

yawn

en.wikipedia.org

"..As their marriage ended, Wooten allegedly threatened McCann and the father of the two women, used a Taser on his stepson as part of a demonstration, shot a moose without a permit and drank beer just before operating his patrol car......"

And what, exactly, justifies abusing the power of the governor's office for retaliation? Where does the officer's wrong require Palin to be wrong as well?

Posting this keeps liberals honest.

#301 | Posted by aclusux

I haven't really seen an honest post from them anywhere on this thread.

Palin: No I didn't.


ARTHUR draws his sword and approaches the BLACK KNIGHT. A furious
fight now starts lasting about fifteen seconds at which point ARTHUR
delivers a mighty blow which completely severs the BLACK KNIGHT's left
arm at the shoulder. ARTHUR steps back triumphantly.

ARTHUR
Now stand aside worthy adversary.

BLACK KNIGHT
(Glancing at his shoulder)
'Tis but a scratch.

ARTHUR
A scratch? Your arm's off.

BLACK KNIGHT
No, it isn't.

ARTHUR
(Pointing to the arm on ground)
Well, what's that then?

BLACK KNIGHT
I've had worse.

ARTHUR
You're a liar.

BLACK KNIGHT
Come on you pansy!

Another ten seconds furious fighting till ARTHUR chops the BLACK
KNIGHT's other arm off, also at the shoulder. The arm plus sword, lies
on the ground.

ARTHUR
Victory is mine.
(sinking to his knees)
I thank thee O Lord that in thy ...

BLACK KNIGHT
Come on then.

ARTHUR
What?

He kicks ARTHUR hard on the side of the helmet. ARTHUR gets up still
holding his sword. The BLACK KNIGHT comes after him kicking.

ARTHUR
You are indeed brave Sir knight, but the fight is mine.

BLACK KNIGHT
Had enough?

ARTHUR
You stupid bastard. You haven't got any arms left.

BLACK KNIGHT
Course I have.

ARTHUR
Look!

BLACK KNIGHT
What! Just a flesh wound.
(kicks ARTHUR)

ARTHUR
Stop that.

BLACK KNIGHT
(kicking him)
Had enough ... ?

ARTHUR
I'll have your leg.

He is kicked.

Right!

The BLACK KNIGHT kicks him again and ARTHUR chops his leg off. The
BLACK KNIGHT keeps his balance with difficulty.

BLACK KNIGHT
I'll do you for that.

ARTHUR
You'll what ... ?

BLACK KNIGHT
Come Here.

ARTHUR
What are you going to do. bleed on me?

BLACK KNIGHT
I'm invincible!

ARTHUR
You're a loony.

BLACK KNIGHT
The Black Knight always triumphs. Have at you!

ARTHUR takes his last leg off. The BLACK KNIGHT's body lands upright.

BLACK KNIGHT
All right, we'll call it a draw.

ARTHUR
Come, Patsy.

ARTHUR and PATSY start to cross the bridge.

BLACK KNIGHT
Running away eh? You yellow bastard, Come back here and
take what's coming to you. I'll bite your legs off!

The Republican takeover of Congress in 1994 led to a push for a balanced budget as part of the Republican Contract with America campaign, continuing deficit reductions by President Clinton consistent with his 1992 campaign promise. Despite political conflicts with President Clinton, the Legislature and the Chief Executive reduced the deficit.

"yawn"

Leave it to Eddie to link to proof he's wrong.

"Major economic growth and spending controls such as welfare reform, favored by both the President and Congress, allowed for a balanced budget (when the Social Security surplus was counted as revenue) by early in Clinton's second term"

So much for "Congress gave him back a balanced budget every time."

Eddie: bitch-slapped by the facts from his own link.

BLACK KNIGHT
Running away eh? You yellow bastard, Come back here and
take what's coming to you. I'll bite your legs off!

#305 | Posted by briwo


LOL!!!


The Libs are standing at the bridge that crosses to the Presidency!!!


LOL!!!!


Good one briwo.


The camera closes in on Sarah Palin speaking to young missionaries, vowing from the pulpit to do her part to implement God's will from the governor's office.


What she didn't tell worshippers gathered at the Wasilla Assembly of God church in her hometown was that her appearance that day came courtesy of Alaskan taxpayers, who picked up the $639.50 tab for her airplane tickets and per diem fees.

An Associated Press review of the Republican vice presidential candidate's record as mayor and governor reveals her use of elected office to promote religious causes, sometimes at taxpayer expense and in ways that blur the line between church and state.

Since she took state office in late 2006, the governor and her family have spent more than $13,000 in taxpayer funds to attend at least 10 religious events and meetings with Christian pastors, including Franklin Graham, the son of evangelical preacher Billy Graham, records show.


Palin was baptized Roman Catholic as a newborn and baptized again in a Pentecostal Assemblies of God church when she was a teenager. She has worshipped at a nondenominational Bible church since 2002, opposes abortion even in cases of rape and incest and supports classroom discussions about creationism.

Since she was named as John McCain's running mate, Palin's deep faith and support for traditional moral values have rallied conservative voters who initially appeared reluctant to back his campaign.

On a weekend trip from the capital in June, a minister from the Wasilla Assembly of God blessed Palin and Lt. Gov Sean Parnell before a crowd gathered for the "One Lord Sunday" event at the town's hockey rink. Later in the day, she addressed the budding missionaries at her former church.

"As I'm doing my job, let's strike this deal. Your job is going be to be out there, reaching the people (the) hurting people throughout Alaska," she told students graduating from the church's Masters Commission program. "We can work together to make sure God's will be done here."

A spokeswoman for the McCain-Palin campaign, Maria Comella, said the state paid for Palin's travel and meals on that trip, and for other meetings with Christian groups, because she and her family were invited in their official capacity as Alaska's first family. Parnell did not charge the state a per diem or ask to be reimbursed for travel expenses that day.

"I understand the per diem policy is, I can claim it if I am away from my residence for 12 hours or more. And Anchorage is where my residence is and I'm based from. And this trip took about four hours of driving time and time at the event, so I did not claim per diem for this one," Parnell told the AP.

Palin and her family billed the state $3,022 for the cost of attending Christian gatherings exclusively, including visits to the Assembly of God here and to the congregation they attend in Juneau, according to expense reports reviewed by the AP.

Experts say those trips fall into an ethically gray area, since Democrats and Republicans alike often visit religious venues for personal and official reasons.

J. Brent Walker, who runs a Washington, D.C.-based group that advocates for church-state separation, said based on a reporter's account, Palin's June excursion raised questions.

"Politicians are entitled to freely exercise their religion while in office, but ethically if not legally that part of her trip ought to not be charged to taxpayers," said Walker, executive director of the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty. "It's still fundamentally a religious and spiritual experience she is having."

The Palins billed the state an additional $10,094 in expenses for other multi-day trips that included worship services or religiously themed events, but also involved substantial state business, including the governor's inaugural ball and an oil and gas conference in New Orleans.

Palin also submitted $998 in expenses for a June trip to Anchorage that included a bill signing at Congregation Beth Shalom synagogue, the only non-Christian house of worship she has visited since taking office, according to the McCain campaign.


news.yahoo.com

"Despite political conflicts with President Clinton, the Legislature and the Chief Executive reduced the deficit."

Reducing and balancing are different words with different meanings, Einstein.

WTF are we STILL talking about Clinton? It's been 8 yrs.

I realize McSame/Failin' supporters are really desperate to talk about anything but the economy and Iraq, but give it a rest.


"Despite political conflicts with President Clinton, the Legislature and the Chief Executive reduced the deficit."


Reducing and balancing are different words with different meanings, Einstein.

#311 | Posted by Danforth


All this means is that Clinton did not balance the budget.



WTF are we STILL talking about Clinton? It's been 8 yrs.


I realize McSame/Failin' supporters are really desperate to talk about anything but the economy and Iraq, but give it a rest.

#312 | Posted by briwo

Yes! much of what's happening now was started during (and before) Clinton's administartion.

"and before"

1982

"All this means is that Clinton did not balance the budget."

It also means you haven't proven your claim Congress "gave him back a balanced budget every time".

Prove, or retract.

"much of what's happening now was started during (and before) Clinton's administartion."

And if the Republicans didn't like it, they had 6 years to change it.

Danforth,

Read it and weep:

No, Bill Clinton Didn't Balance the Budget


"Let us establish one point definitively: Bill Clinton didn't balance the budget. Yes, he was there when it happened. But the record shows that was about the extent of his contribution. "

All this means is that Clinton did not balance the budget.



#313 | Posted by Eddie

Yes he did.


The Clinton years showed the effects of a large tax increase that Clinton pushed through in his first year, and that Republicans incorrectly claim is the "largest tax increase in history." It fell almost exclusively on upper-income taxpayers. Clinton's fiscal 1994 budget also contained some spending restraints. An equally if not more powerful influence was the booming economy and huge gains in the stock markets, the so-called dot-com bubble, which brought in hundreds of millions in unanticipated tax revenue from taxes on capital gains and rising salaries.

Clinton's large budget surpluses also owe much to the Social Security tax on payrolls. Social Security taxes now bring in more than the cost of current benefits, and the "Social Security surplus" makes the total deficit or surplus figures look better than they would if Social Security wasn't counted. But even if we remove Social Security from the equation, there was a surplus of $1.9 billion in fiscal 1999 and $86.4 billion in fiscal 2000. So any way you count it, the federal budget was balanced and the deficit was erased, if only for a while.

Update, Feb. 11: Some readers wrote to us saying we should have made clear the difference between the federal deficit and the federal debt. A deficit occurs when the government takes in less money than it spends in a given year. The debt is the total amount the government owes at any given time. So the debt goes up in any given year by the amount of the deficit, or it decreases by the amount of any surplus. The debt the government owes to the public decreased for a while under Clinton, but the debt was by no means erased.

Other readers have noted a USA Today story stating that, under an alternative type of accounting, the final four years of the Clinton administration taken together would have shown a deficit. This is based on an annual document called the "Financial Report of the U.S. Government," which reports what the governments books would look like if kept on an accrual basis like those of most corporations, rather than the cash basis that the government has always used. The principal difference is that under accrual accounting the government would book immediately the costs of promises made to pay future benefits to government workers and Social Security and Medicare beneficiaries. But even under accrual accounting, the annual reports showed surpluses of $69.2 billion in fiscal 1998, $76.9 billion in fiscal 1999, and $46 billion for fiscal year 2000. So even if the government had been using that form of accounting the deficit would have been erased for those three years.


www.factcheck.org

"Read it and weep: "

I never claimed Clinton balanced the budget, although ultimately, that has NOTHING to do with your bullshit claim of Congress giving back "a balanced budget every time."

Again, prove YOUR CLAIM---not something else---or retract.

"Major economic growth and spending controls such as welfare reform, favored by both the President and Congress, allowed for a balanced budget (when the Social Security surplus was counted as revenue) by early in Clinton's second term"


So much for "Congress gave him back a balanced budget every time."


Eddie: bitch-slapped by the facts from his own link.

#307 | Posted by Danforth


LOL!!!!!


The President in this reference is Reagan you moron!!!


LOL!!!!

"The 1989 S&L crisis" (A result of Reagan administration policies and The Garn-St. Germain Depository Institutions Act of 1982.) "warned of the danger of banking deregulation. McCain missed the warnings and stuck by his de-regulation adviser, Phil Gramm, for 15 years till July 2008."

zfacts.com

At least the debt normalized to GDP got better under Clinton.

zfacts.com

Bush has us back to 1950, just like GM's stock.

Eddie links to article written in 1998. LOL

"The President in this reference is Reagan"

WTF?!? The President in the CLINTON reference was Reagan?

My, you're desperate.

Actually, I would like a country with MORE people who pull their own weight.


#285 | Posted by Eddie at 2008-10-11 02:04 PM | Reply

There ya go--now would that country be full of liberals or full of conservatives? Would that country be led by Clinton or would that country be led by Bush? Would the current Presidential election involve Obama in that country or would it be McCain vs Romney? Don't you have the courage of your convictions? Wouldn't it be better if conservatives and liberals just start their own countries? I have no use for conservatives--none--I think they belong in another country. What use do you have for liberals---wouldn't you rather have them in another country?


"Read it and weep: "


I never claimed Clinton balanced the budget, although ultimately, that has NOTHING to do with your bullshit claim of Congress giving back "a balanced budget every time."


Again, prove YOUR CLAIM---not something else---or retract.

#320 | Posted by Danforth


Uh, then what does this mean?

"Newt Gingrich and company -- for all their faults -- have received virtually no credit for balancing the budget. Yet today's surplus is, in part, a byproduct of the GOP's single-minded crusade to end 30 years of red ink. Arguably, Gingrich's finest hour as Speaker came in March 1995 when he rallied the entire Republican House caucus behind the idea of eliminating the deficit within seven years."


Pleae, Danforth, you have to have an open mind


And please don't say:
"eliminating the deficit" does not equal "balancing the budget"


And then call me a name because you are getting frustrated.


There ya go--now would that country be full of liberals or full of conservatives? Would that country be led by Clinton or would that country be led by Bush? Would the current Presidential election involve Obama in that country or would it be McCain vs Romney? Don't you have the courage of your convictions? Wouldn't it be better if conservatives and liberals just start their own countries? I have no use for conservatives--none--I think they belong in another country. What use do you have for liberals---wouldn't you rather have them in another country?

#325 | Posted by Buffalo_Bo


That country would be led by FDR, Ron Reagan or Ron Paul. :)

Eddie

I guess just like all republicans you can't answer a simple question.

What a surprise.

That's why I want people like you in another country.

I like straight talk and honest people.

Things you and other republicans will never understand.

You just mouth the words--like McCain's "Straight Talk Express"

LOL

"Newt Gingrich and company -- for all their faults -- have received virtually no credit for balancing the budget. Yet today's surplus is, in part, a byproduct of the GOP's single-minded crusade to end 30 years of red ink. Arguably, Gingrich's finest hour as Speaker came in March 1995 when he rallied the entire Republican House caucus behind the idea of eliminating the deficit within seven years


Not a single Repub voted for the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 which was responsible for the surpluses created in Clinton's second term so why should expect to be given any credit?

Ultimately every Republican in Congress voted against the bill, as did a number of Democrats. Vice President Al Gore broke a tie in the Senate on both the Senate bill and the conference report. The House bill passed 219-213.[1] The House passed the conference report on Thursday, August 5, 1993, by a vote of 218 to 216 (217 Democrats and 1 independent (Sanders (VT-I)) voting in favor; 41 Democrats and 175 Republicans voting against), and the Senate passed the conference report on the last day before their month's vacation, on Friday, August 6, 1993, by a vote of 51 to 50 (50 Democrats plus Vice President Gore voting in favor, 6 Democrats (Lautenberg (D-NJ), Bryan (D-NV), Nunn (D-GA), Johnston (D-LA), Boren (D-OK), and Shelby (D-AL) now (R-AL)) and 44 Republicans voting against). President Clinton signed the bill on August 10, 1993.

en.wikipedia.org


God I wished they had ejection seats for trools and trolls. It would eject them into the 7th layer of hell and chew em up. That would be sweet.


Larry

#273 | Posted by LarryMohr

But, Larry, you would be ejected much more than I would. :) You'll have to admit that.

Not a single Repub voted for the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 which was responsible for the surpluses created in Clinton's second term so why should expect to be given any credit?

#330 | Posted by reinheitsgebot


Probably because you are talking about something else? Could that be it? :)

Probably because you are talking about something else? Could that be it? :)

No, you were trying to give Gingrich and the GOP credit for the balanced budget that happened during Clinton's presidency.

Yes! much of what's happening now was started during (and before) Clinton's administartion.

#314 | Posted by Eddie at 2008-10-11 03:55 PM


Yes, the 12 years "before".

And the Rethugs had 8 yrs to fix it, but they didn't, instead they emptied the treasury and then the retirement accounts of millions of Americans.

See ya Suckers!

blog.reidreport.com

The fact that you continue to defend them speaks loud volumes about your ability to think coherently.

One of the things which, I think, makes us a great country is how we are able to openly debate how we wish to be governed. A dictator is no friend of the populace - whether the dictator is conservative or lib. Let us vote our interests and have ongoing debate.

#329 | Posted by OohRah at 2008-10-11 04:15 PM | Reply |


Oohrah--the talking is over--the debate is ended. The two side will never agree---we should agree to disagree and start two different countries. We are already two countries--we will never agree.

One country believes in a womans right to abortion--do you think conservatives will EVER agree with that? No--they need their own country. No more debate necessary--case closed.

One country believes gays have the right to marry--do you think conservatives will EVER agree with that? No--they need their own country. No more debate necessary--case closed.

One country want Universal Health Care--do you think conservatives will EVER agree with that? No--they need their own county. No more debate necessary--case closed.


One country wants Obama--do you think conservatives will EVER agree with that? No--they need their own country. No more debate necessary--case closed.

One country wants to tax the rich more than they tax the poor--do you think conservatives will EVER agree with that? No--they need their own country. No more debate necessary--case closed.

One country thinks welfare is a necessary part of society--do you think conservatives will EVER agree with that? No--they need their own country. No more debate necessary--case closed.

One country thinks the war in Iraq is necessary--do you think liberals will EVER agree with that? No--they need their own country. No more debate necessary--case closed.

One country thinks McCain would be a good President--do you think liberals will EVER agree with that? No--they need their own country. No more debate necessary--case closed.


One country thinks the best policy in business and life is sink or swim, every man for himself, only the strong survive--do you think liberals will EVER agree with that? No--they need their own country. No more debate necessary--case closed.

One country wants religious symbols and teachings allowed in schools--do you think liberals will EVER agree with that? No--they need their own country. No more debate necessary--case closed.

One country wants to control every aspect of a humans life, including who they have sex with--how they have sex--who they marry--and when to reproduce--do you think liberals will EVER agree with that? No--they need their own country. No more debate necessary--case closed.

There's lots more---but the point is---the talking is over---no one is going to change their mind--EVER. So--we are just holding each other back from our perceived future---we should separate and live happier lives all around.

Wouldn't you rather have this election be McCain vs Romney? I know I'd like this election to be Obama vs Clinton. So--since you only stated reason for staying one nation is---debate--and it has been refuted--any other reasons we should continue to stand in each others way to a better future for all?


Buffalo_Bob

You can have your own country full of lib's. It's called France.. Move there and check it out. You would love it....

You say the lib's don't need conservatives. In fact truth be known, it is the other way around. You lib's need us. With out conservatives you have no money.... no money = no free heath care... no sitting on your ass and collecting a check.... you see, it is the conservatives that don't need you.. We do not benefit in any way from lib's...

"With out(sic) conservatives you have no money."

"Without" is one word.


With conservatives you have no money.

There, fixed.

Checked the national debt lately, Copernicus?

zfacts.com

Free National Debt Clock for Your Web Site

zfacts.com

Come on Rogers, put it up there.

Say what you will. It's the truth.

Libslayer

You can have your own country full of lib's. It's called France.. Move there and check it out. You would love it....

France is their own country. Why such hate for a fellow American? That's my point. With all that hate--you should want me in another country. You see---it isn't just me---it is about half of the population of this country. Why should we all go to France when we can just stay where we are and have our own country? WHY WOULD YOU OBJECT?


You say the lib's don't need conservatives. In fact truth be known, it is the other way around. You lib's need us. With out conservatives you have no money.... no money = no free heath care... no sitting on your ass and collecting a check.... you see, it is the conservatives that don't need you.. We do not benefit in any way from lib's...

Exactly my point. Your country would be so much better without us. Join me in my fight to separate America legally, to reflect the reality. You and I will never agree. I am as ashamed to have you be a citizen of my country as you are to have me be a citizen of your country. However, our countries could be great allies, and we'd probably be able to relate.

If, as you say, you don't need libs, then why would you insist we stay one country?

#336 | Posted by libslayer at 2008-10-11 05:10 PM | Reply | Flag

DETHSPUD: WRONG! I WAS SUSPENDED BECAUSE I RELATED THE FACT THAT JOHN MURTHA WAS THE REASON WE ARE NOW IN AFGAHNISTAN.

Your one page response is tipical of your liberal motor mouth ranting which is put into print. Have another cool aid.

PS How is Herb Moses?

Someone would violates ethics should talk to America bragging about how she'll reform Washington DC when she's already got a record of coruption. Like the pot calling the kettle black.
I will bet you we won't see her in any more interviews before the election as the press may ask her why she let the first stud run wild. He used a phone in an ajoinging conference room to her office to make unathorized calls to state employees threatening them.

JOELABEY: I guess giving millions to the SLUM LORDS in Chicago is ETHICAL?

"Pleae, Danforth, you have to have an open mind "

Translation: Pretend I'm right despite the fact I can't prove what I claimed.

You lose again, Eddie.

Ozzie: Do you mean Sidney McCain gave millions to slumlords?
SHOCKING!

Libslayer:
With your penchant for hatred and vitriol, you don't stand much of a chance of laying any libs. I suggest a new moniker for you.

Respectfully,
SamBarber

you don't stand much of a chance of laying any libs

~Sam Barber

Or anyone else fer that matter.

In LibsLAYER'S defense, there are still a few hardcore whores who'll take his trade but they always charge him double.

^_^

Be Well.

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