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The U.S. Federal Reserve cut its key federal funds lending rate by half a percentage point to 1.5 percent and lowered its discount rate to 1.75 percent, a move followed in coordinated fashion by European, British, Swiss, Canadian and Swedish banks.

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The wheels have fallen off.

Bush again failed to head off a problem before it was too late.

Now he just throws tax money around to pay for lavish resort vacations for the upper management.

Bush is ever more the disgrace that we always knew he was.

Financial guru Jim Cramer of CNBC declared that this financial crisis should not be blamed on the Bush Administration --- because Starting with Bill Clinton the dems pressured Fannie and Freddie to give loans to 'anyone who walked in': unqualified applicants.

#2 | Posted by takitez at 2008-10-08 09:31 AM

Thank you.
Tell your keepers you've done your duty.
They'll give you a cookie and let you go back to bed.

This interest rate cut is a huge mistake. This will not pacify the markets and THEN what are you going to do?

Greenspan always said to never set monetetary policy based on the day-to-day activities of the stock market!

TAKITEZ

Another (yawn) meaningless and empty right wing radio talking point.

The right wing in America can't stand to take an ounce of blame for anything. Their index finger is frozen pointing at someone else... "THEM!!!"

From the Council on Foriegn Relations;

The New New World Order

www.cfr.org

The liberals can't stand facts and history: if they disagree with liberal ideologies.

Historically, the blame for this finacial mess should be borne more by Clinton and the dems.

God bless America!

I blame it on Alexander Hamilton. Terrible Secretary of the Treasury.

God bless Aaron Burr!

~Takeitsez

"Historically, the blame for this finacial mess should be borne more by Clinton and the dems."

Anyone carrying that bullshit into a college Econ class would be laughed out of the room.

Clinton, the first Black President started the mess to favor the Blacks and then the pressure to investigate Fannie and Freddie in 2004 was resisted by Barney Franks, Maxine Waters, and other dems.

That's history the liberals cannot swallow and will lie about it.

Anyone carrying that bullshit into a college Econ class would be laughed out of the room.

those guys really don't have a sense of humor.

God bless Aaron Burr!

#9 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis


I blame it on Thales (the first philosopher), for when he saw his reflection in the water and said, WTF?

were it not for him, we would still be running around in loin-clothes and eating brontosaurus (that was over 3000 yrs ago when jesus and the dinosaurs co-existed).

that bastard.

those guys really don't have a sense of humor.

That's okay, Takeitsez really doesn't have a clue.

Don't worry, God will magically fix everything.

"God bless Aaron Burr"

Doc, that will give me something to laugh about while my portfolio goes down the drain. Thanks a shit load.

Fwthom -

I haven't even bothered to look lately. I know it's bad. I'm just not sure I want to know how bad. Not just yet.


The wheels have fallen off.


Bush again failed to head off a problem before it was too late.


Now he just throws tax money around to pay for lavish resort vacations for the upper management.


Bush is ever more the disgrace that we always knew he was.

#1 | Posted by 726 at 2008-10-08 07:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

Yep, all George. The Congress with overwhelming Dem and Dem "leadership" support had nothing to do with the votes that got the "bailout" passed.

VOTE RON PAUL! Abolish the Federal Reserve.

Well the lavish rate cut has yet to do anything meaningful on the up side. It may have postponed the sell off for another day or so.

Until the underlying reasons for the economic downturn is addressed the march towards poverty will continue.

So far neither candidate has addressed it. Tax cuts and health care promises just are not going to fix this mess.

Ride_on,

Paulson was out talking about how strong our economy was just a few months ago all the while planning to implement this magic tax dollar give away since the beginning of this year. If the administration had addressed the real problems then instead of waiting for them to manifest themselves into this gigantic meltdown back then we could have very well avoided this.

And yes, the cowards in the Dem party voted for the giveaway. Hell it ain't their money and if they did nothing while Rome burned they would have been blamed. But the bailout was a bipartisan effort lets not lose sight of that. If it works (which I don't believe it will) then they can all look like heroes. If it don't they can at least say they tried.

But in the meantime the real problems are not being addressed, and our government is just trying to spackle over the whole in the side of the Titanic.

whole = hole.

Ever get the feeling that we haven't heard the diffinitive "how to" on fixing this because no one really *knows* how to fix it? It's too big and complex a problem to "fix". It's going to have to right itself in the long run I'm very much afraid.

But in the meantime the real problems are not being addressed, and our government is just trying to spackle over the whole in the side of the Titanic.

#19 | Posted by 726 at 2008-10-08 10:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

Totally agree....and the mainstream politicos in either party do NOT know how to fix it and if they did they don't have the political will to address the underlying issues anyway. This fiat money system will collapse us....just a matter of when. We can abolish the Federal Reserve now and get on with the fixes and the medicine or have much worse down the road.

This is just the begining. When the dems get in and start raising taxes and growing gov, this thing will collapse in an ever grander fashion.

Capital will leave the US and real inflation will begin.

I only hope that after 4 years of the Dems the US economy (as we know it) can still be saved.

NEVER FORGET: Greenspan raised the rates 17 times in a row without giving the market a chance to react. This is what you get. This is the aftermath of the Greenspan Tsunami. The market did not have to freeze up in this manner and now they back track after the bloodbath.

"When the dems get in and start raising taxes and growing gov"

Growing government?!? Where have you been for the last 8 years? The Bush administration grew the government more than any Democrat's wet dream.


"When the dems get in and start raising taxes and growing gov"


Growing government?!? Where have you been for the last 8 years? The Bush administration grew the government more than any Democrat's wet dream.

#25 | Posted by Danforth


which is why I maintain that neither GWB nor the republicans are conservative.

"which is why I maintain that neither GWB nor the republicans are conservative."

But he sure was the conservative darling when he slashed taxes, or when his party tried to codify gays as second-class citizens, or when he nominated Alito and Roberts.

We can abolish the Federal Reserve now and get on with the fixes and the medicine or have much worse down the road.

#22 | Posted by ride_on

Too unpopular for the cowards that are more interested in protecting their jobs than really fixing the economy. They are content in pointing fingers while doing nothing. They fiddle while Rome burns.

Abolish the Federal Reserve.

#17 | Posted by ride_on

Finally a statement of yours that i can agree with. Ride on Ride_on.


There is a larger problem with abolishing the federal reserve. all our institutions and customs and practices are built around it. the only way to get rid of it is to destroy everything.

the death and destruction would be worse than a nuclear war.


United States House of Representatives
Statement on HR 1424
October 3, 2008


Madame Speaker, only in Washington could a bill demonstrably worse than its predecessor be brought back for another vote and actually expect to gain votes. That this bailout was initially defeated was a welcome surprise, but the power-brokers in Washington and on Wall Street could not allow that defeat to be permanent. It was most unfortunate that this monstrosity of a bill, loaded up with even more pork, was able to pass.


The Federal Reserve has already injected hundreds of billions of dollars into US and world credit markets. The adjusted monetary base is up sharply, bank reserves have exploded, and the national debt is up almost half a trillion dollars over the past two weeks. Yet, we are still told that after all this intervention, all this inflation, that we still need an additional $700 billion bailout, otherwise the credit markets will seize and the economy will collapse. This is the same excuse that preceded previous bailouts, and undoubtedly we will hear it again in the future after this bailout fails.


One of the most dangerous effects of this bailout is the incredibly elevated risk of moral hazard in the future. The worst performing financial services firms, even those who have been taken over by the government or have filed for bankruptcy, will find all of their poor decision-making rewarded. What incentive do Wall Street firms or any other large concerns have to make sound financial decisions, now that they see the federal government bailing out private companies to the tune of trillions of dollars? As Congress did with the legislation authorizing the Fannie and Freddie bailout, it proposes a solution that exacerbates and encourages the problematic behavior that led to this crisis in the first place.


With deposit insurance increasing to $250,000 and banks able to set their reserves to zero, we will undoubtedly see future increases in unsound lending. No one in our society seems to understand that wealth is not created by government fiat, is not created by banks, and is not created through the manipulation of interest rates and provision of easy credit. A debt-based society cannot prosper and is doomed to fail, as debts must either be defaulted on or repaid, neither resolution of which presents this country with a pleasant view of the future. True wealth can only come about through savings, the deferral of present consumption in order to provide for a higher level of future consumption. Instead, our government through its own behavior and through its policies encourages us to live beyond our means, reducing existing capital and mortgaging our future to pay for present consumption.


The money for this bailout does not just materialize out of thin air. The entire burden will be borne by the taxpayers, not now, because that is politically unacceptable, but in the future. This bailout will be paid for through the issuance of debt which we can only hope will be purchased by foreign creditors. The interest payments on that debt, which already take up a sizeable portion of federal expenditures, will rise, and our children and grandchildren will be burdened with increased taxes in order to pay that increased debt.


As usual, Congress has show itself to be reactive rather than proactive. For years, many people have been warning about the housing bubble and the inevitable bust. Congress ignored the impending storm, and responded to this crisis with a poorly thought-out piece of legislation that will only further harm the economy. We ought to be ashamed.

Address by Ron Paul


"We have a greater moral responsibility to act than those who live in ignorance. Once you become knowledgeable you have an obligation to do something about it."
www.campaignforliberty.com

"Congress ignored the impending storm"

Expect this phrase to be repeated with the Medicare tsunami, and the Social Security tsunami, both approaching us for a generation.

Expect this phrase to be repeated with the Medicare tsunami, and the Social Security tsunami, both approaching us for a generation.

#32 | Posted by Danforth


WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG

during 04 and just after I Heard and read DEM after dem telling us that it was all okay and there was nothing at all to worry about.........you know.

as long as they werent in power anyway........

BUT I DONT WANT ANY OF YOU TO WORRY

just got notified that texas teacher retirement is in no danger because of well over 100 billion set aside for me and others

and according to houston chronicle
...and I KNOW THIS WILL MAKE ALL OF YOU FEEL SAFER>..........

the state compptroller says that TEXAS NO LONGER HAS THAT 10.8 BILLION SURPLUS
//...................


..............


it has gone up to TWELVE BILLION.........



so there you have it.........my retirement is safer than most and it shows that all those years of making so little money while others were raking it in actually will benefit me in this stressfull time
and that maybe we are a little closer to telling you yankees that you can just freeze in the fuckin dark


HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

"during 04 and just after I Heard and read DEM after dem telling us that it was all okay and there was nothing at all to worry about.."

This isn't a Dem/Rep issue, BL2. They're BOTH at fault. But only one party had money and the opportunity 8 years ago to shore up the problems. They chose tax cuts for the wealthiest instead.

NO thats wrong when it comes to my point

you said that they have been seen as approaching storms and we were told CLEARLY during 04 to 06 that they were not a problem that needed fixing.......and I said then.........that means they dont want to touch them until they think they can get HILLARY AND BILL back into the white house.

oh poor hillary............she must be REALLY pissed

and the other banks followed suit with the cut...


Like this is a surprise? The bankers are a monopoly using monopoly money. Part of the blame goes back a century - there's only been a few Presidents brave enough to stand against bankers.

Greenspan always said to never set monetetary policy based on the day-to-day activities of the stock market!

#4 | Posted by Monstman


And we all know that Greenspan is a genius who isn't responsible for any of this mess.

I was cackling about DOC's Aaron Burr remark when it occured to me that there is plenty of blame to go around for this current economic mess: Bush, Congress, regulators, banks, investment houses, people who took out mortgages they couldn't afford and the idiots who lent them the money.

But lefties, righties and middle-of-the-roaders could all agree on letting the rest of the terrorists out of Gitmo and filling it up with CEO's. Detain them until we sort it out. Throw their wing tips and $5000 suits in the garbage, put prison suits on each one and put them in rooms with the air conditioning turned up full blast and with loud rap music playing 24/7. Water board them to get information.

Throw their wing tips and $5000 suits in the garbage

Don't waste them hand them out to Americans who they screwed.

Oh and screw torture for information all we need is their account numbers in the cayman's then it's the fireing squad. About 2/3 of congresspeople and senators need to join them there.

My only concern is the cost of all those bullets, can we still aford them?

I keep reading how the US is not on top anymore yet it appears that whenever we 'cough' the world 'catches a cold'.

"As part of a panel on HBO's "Real Time with Bill Maher," Alec Baldwin responded to co-panelist Garry Shandling's finger pointing at Bush by saying, "Democrats have a lot of the responsibility for this as well. I mean, it was [Bill] Clinton who killed the Glass-Steagall, and it happened under a Democratic president."

After correctly citing the Clinton administration's contribution to the crisis, Baldwin mentioned the bailout king himself, Barney Frank.

"Barney Frank and his committee," Baldwin explained to the astonished Maher, "they kept propping up Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac saying everything's fine, everything's fine, everything's good. And it was his job to know everything wasn't fine. And Barney Frank let you down and let us down as well."

Talking about the final bailout bill, stating, "I want to say there's blame to go both ways. But I will say, I want to, I maybe keep beating this to death, but I still think anyone in this Congress who voted to add $140 billion to that bill, they should be ashamed of themselves. That is a disgrace. It's a disgrace. This Congress is a disgrace, Democrat and Republican."

Bush isn't responsible for this mess.

Thos who print the money and control the interest/inflation on the money are who has caused this mess.

The irresponsible "me" generation and the entitled "baby boomer" generation didn't help either.

Russia paid off its national debt.

We need to do the same thing and gain total control of the currency used in the US.

When "others" control inflation, those who are responsible for paying back unfathomable levels of interest are "debt slaves."

Slaves.

Oooops, "have caused this mess.
Apologies for my poor grammar skills.

"Russia paid off its national debt."

Really? I thought they wrote it off. Guess having all those petro dollars helped after all. Shame their stock market is doing so much worse than ours. And the price of oil keeps dropping. And that they are spending so much on "national defense".

@#43 | Posted by BobOtto

"Russia paid off its national debt."

I don't know if they ever accomplished that, but I do know the USSR Super State took every last scrap of property their people owned.

He is right though.. its time to kill the bank, just like we killed the first two iterations of a national bank before.. and this time god would hope we fucking learn.

National banks steal provide no monetary security at all and the only thing they are good at is stealing the nations money through inflation and debt.

Here is how you kill the Federal Reserve. Declare that the Federal Reserve Act is unconstitutional. When a law is ruled unconstitutional, it does not stop being a law at that time.. it means it was NEVER a law at all. If it was never a law then all the debt they entrapped the government in would vanish, that is about 40% of the national debt.. gone. Secondly you create non-debt bearing notes. "United States Notes" also known as Greenbacks, and you distribute them while removing the current dollars "Federal Reserve Notes" from the system.

There is also a bill already in waiting to get rid of it. "H.R.2755: Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act".

I would actually prefer a system based on the actual weight of silver, such as prices listed in ounces of silver, that are sold at the swipe of a credit card.. but the above plan at least works better than our current system of debt.

H Paulson has 1.6 trillion dollars to slap some sense into the shorts and hedgies. So what did he do, he came on TV today and spewled out the worst dribble ever from an elected official. I hate this guy.

He should have said he was loaded for bear and out to kill some speculators who were illegally (naked shorts) betting against companies. he can buy mortgages preferreds CP straight debt and really scare the crap out of hedge funds. Yet he pussied out and limp wristed his powers. It almost seems goldman sachs is still pulling his strings.....

Oh and danforth says...This isn't a Dem/Rep issue, BL2. They're BOTH at fault. But only one party had money and the opportunity 8 years ago to shore up the problems. They chose tax cuts for the wealthiest...."

"It's not political...then you make it political" Typical dr left.....

So why is the world market crashing, & the EAFE down over 40% YTD

""It's not political...then you make it political" Typical dr left....."

No responsibility from the party of responsibility? Typical dr right.

BTW, just to see how tethered you are to reality: do you believe my statement is in error?

Paulson is not "an elected official". He was appointed by Bush. (not to make this "political" or anything...)


Why does everybody have this neurotic need to assign blame? The truth is that this problem has spanned several administrations, and it has had sponsors all along the way from both parties.

But, even given all that, the original plan was sound as long as everybody acted right. It was paid for by excess tax recipts the government recieved during the dotcom era.

But the banks got drunk (which by the way is the wisest thing bush ever said). They acted irresponsibly. They seemed to be acting under the impression that government was gonna bail them out.

It's the only answer, because nobody is stupid enough to;

1-give someone, whose only income is a welfare check, a 30 yr mortgage.

2-take said mortgages and package the into equity packages and expect that equity package to retain value.

3-think that interest rates would never go up.

4-think that homes values would never go down.

But the Banks made big money off the deal. And they knew it was gonna crash eventually - that is fraud.

It is more palatable for people to think that the banks were stupid rather than think they were criminal in their behavior.

Take their money, give it back to the shareholders that were fucked over and send the bankers to jail.

"But, even given all that, the original plan was sound as long as everybody acted right."

If "everybody acted right," we wouldn't need government.

Nothing but a bunch of retards on this thread. How many time does one have to post how we got here before they actually read the postings and figure out what they were all filled with hot air.

And what is this rate cut going to do? Not a damn thing but cost us masses more and more for the rich bush elites.

Get on the board and ride the wave.

I am trying to figure out if this recession was planned or if it was a mistake.

The Fed Reserve has the power to make this happen by loaning to much money and then contracting the loans. They really don't loose in the deal since they collect the property.

I know some banks have gone under but I wonder how many banks work with the Federal Reserve.

"Why does everybody have this neurotic need to assign blame?"

Back in my semiconductor manufacturing career, we learned to make 100% yields; Then they sold it to China.

One of my favorite axioms from that very successful corporate culture: "Fix problem, not blame."

The core of any problem is the "root cause," which, in this case, was addressed in the 30's to prevent this kind of nonsense from happening again.

Between deregulation from the right and seeing cheap money help the poor from the left, we're fucked.

There is not a liquidity problem, there is a asset worth problem.

Google Cental Banks, this recession could have been planned.

Between deregulation from the right and seeing cheap money help the poor from the left, we're fucked.

Amen Brother Zat

Yeah, Rick, I'm sure it was "planned"!

(I'm sorry, but some people are so damned stupid it's palpable)

seeing cheap money help the poor from the left, we're fucked.

Who gave the the supposed poor cheap money?

The best question last night had to do with "What sacrifice will you ask?", or something like that.

Barack did well with respect to energy consumption.

Think globally
Act locally

Porsche + Tesla

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


Google Cental Banks, this recession could have been planned.

#56 | Posted by rick1234567890

I've been trying to say this for a week.

It's all about asset consolidation. The end result is that the old banks all come out with all the assets. the majority of those mortgages will and do have value.

There is a decided advantage when you have fore-knowledge of what the fed is gonna do (print money, change interest rates).



"Who gave the the supposed poor cheap money?"

Posted by moneywar

Remember those loans to people who couldn't afford them?

The reason the left liked that was folks got out of bad housing into better housing.

(Only they rip all the pipes out and hock the copper on the way out the door, apparently.)

"The Garn-St. Germain Depository Institutions Act of 1982 (Pub.L. 97-320, H.R. 6267, enacted 1982-10-15) is an Act of Congress, that deregulated the Savings and Loan industry. This Act turned out to be one of many contributing factors that led to the Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s.[1]

The bill, whose full title was "An Act to revitalize the housing industry by strengthening the financial stability of home mortgage lending institutions and ensuring the availability of home mortgage loans," was a Reagan Administration initiative.[2]

The bill is named after its sponsors, Congressman Fernand St. Germain, Democrat of Rhode Island, and Senator Jake Garn, Republican of Utah. The bill had broad support in Congress, with co-sponsors including Charles Schumer and Steny Hoyer.[3] The bill passed overwhelmingly, by a margin of 272-91 in the House.[4]"

en.wikipedia.org

Then there's the Gramm ... whatever, (I'm not looking it up.) bill during Clinton's term and the behavior of the Fed in 2003 and since.

"Neither a borrower on lender be."
-Ben franklin

Franklin, sorry Ben.

"Take their money, give it back to the shareholders that were fucked over and send the bankers to jail."
#50 | Posted by Lipzoidial

That deserves to be repeated.

"Neither a borrower nor a lender be;
For loan oft loses both itself and friend,
And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry.
This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man."

-William Shakespeare, "Hamlet", Act 1 scene 3

"Take their money, give it back to the shareholders that were fucked over and send the bankers to jail."

Fuck the share holders, they took the stupid risk.

"Why does everybody have this neurotic need to assign blame?"

Er....if you don't figure out the cause of a problem then the solution is pretty hard to find.

The cause is the Federal Reserve fiat money system (boom, bust, boom, bust, devaluation of our money). Ok Danni, now what is the solution? Be aware, it takes getting educated to answer the question.

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