Damn slope towel heads...just ruinin' this great nation.

Hurray for Justice!!!!!!!!!!!! Score one for the Good Guys. The Constitution and all of those who follow it.

Larry

Give McBush and Sarah one more court seat and this wouldn't happen. herm

Why do neo-cons hate the constitution?

Muslim in china? when do we attack?

oh i forgot we only attack people that are brown and have no hopes of defeating us and have some resource we want (oil, heroin, pipelines).

That's how brave we are.

u r right Lip, the only nations we have attacked are people whose skin is a darker color than the WASP image.

We are collectively guilty of racism. I say we as a very very loose generality.

oh i forgot we only attack people that are brown ...

That's how brave we are.

#5 | Posted by Lipzoidial at 2008-10-07 08:51 PM | Reply

Take a clue retard: MOST people in the world are brown, including Americans.

You're just another Leftist racist asshole

Vernon I imagine you are whiter than John Gibson.

Aw, is Shrubie laying on the Oval Office carpet, throwing a temper tantrum? Sometimes trying to tear down the Constitution is hard werk! No one can say you didn't try, Shrub. You damn near did it - and have just about destroyed our country into the bargain. Not bad for 8 years. You can take all the money you robbed from the US taxpayers and go buy yourself an island somewhere. Spend the rest of your miserable, useless life believing that your presidency was anything BUT the worst in the entire history of the United States of America. Our consolation will be - we'll still be here, Shrub - you won't!

Chinese Muslims?

How the hell did they end up in there?

The 17 Uighurs had been living in a camp in Afghanistan during the US-led military campaign that began in October 2001.

They fled into the mountains and were held by Pakistani authorities who handed them over to the US.

Oh.

Damn stupid of Mushi. I would never have had these guys arrested.

You're just another Leftist racist asshole

#7 | Posted by vernon

vern,

get a grip. i may be an asshole, but i'm not a racists and i'm not a lefty. I'm an independent asshole.

But when you are so far to the right that Hitler looks like a flaming liberal, you would have to use a space telescope to see me.

The Bush/Cheney doctrine of bringing dictatorial powers to the office of the president has failed.

The only thing I don't understand, outside the political implications, is why did Cheney need a lackey? why didn't he just run for president and get his people to rig the election and take his nazi sideshow into the white house himself?

Why did he need GWB? Name? Connections? What?

But when you are so far to the right that Hitler looks like a flaming liberal, you would have to use a space telescope to see me.
posted by Lipzoidial

In relation to the article though is anyone truly surprised at Bush's outrage over the law of our country being upheld?

NICE MOVE BUSH!

You were supposed to be PROTECTING the USA from these individuals.

Now we have to bring them onto our soil. HECKUVA JOB THERE IN CUBA, SHRUBIE!

Coming to a neighborhood near you!

"Score one for the Good Guys."

Um, regardless of what you think about Bush or Guantanamo, these are not "good guys". They are assholes who travelled thousands of miles for the sole purpose of forcing their extreme ideology on others at the point of the gun - and that is really the best case scenario explanation for their presence at that camp. Worst case scenario is that they were learning how to blow shit up so they could go home and murder non-Muslim Chinese people for the hell of it. Either way, these guys are not good and only an idiot would think its a good idea to have them running loose in our country.

We really must get over this good guy/bad guy syndrome that leads us to believe that every story has a good guy. Its an assinine fallacy. Just because Bush is asshole/criminal/traitor doesn't mean anyone who gets on his nerves is good guy.

Hurray for Justice!!!!!!!!!!!! Score one for the Good Guys. The Constitution and all of those who follow it.

Larry

#2 | Posted by LarryMohr at

nice going larry
I wonder if they might be heading for missouri since you dont seem to care what sort of terrorists bastards are unleashed into our country
or maybe there are openings at the corner store...

and again..........yet another reason for mccain to be the one selecting SC justices and not some european socialist who had that AWFULL CHILDHOOD but ended up in HAwaii and columbia and harvard
and rich enough to get some honey land deals from the chivago crook named rezko..............hey he's the american dream

www.obsessionthemovie.com

nuff said.

Hey if they were guilty why didn't our justice system try them and convict them and send em up the river IE Prison. Oh maybe because they were innocent after all and sold into bondage by the Warlords and such for bounty. If they are really and truly guilty like I said try em convict them and send em up.

Larry

The only thing I don't understand, outside the political implications, is why did Cheney need a lackey? why didn't he just run for president and get his people to rig the election and take his nazi sideshow into the white house himself?

I don't think that it was Cheny's intention initially, to play such an active role as VP. I think that the more he got to know GWB and GWB's many limitations, the more he realized that he had to take control.

"Hey if they were guilty why didn't our justice system try them and convict them and send em up the river IE Prison."

First of all, our courts have no jurisdiction. Secondly, living in a terror training camp isn't necessarily a crime. US and International law is not properly equipped to deal with the problem.

Just because we can't prosecute these people doesn't mean we have to be idiots and pretend that we don't know they were up to no good. There is no logical reason for them to have been so far from home in a militant training camp. They were obviously up to no good. Use some common sense and stop being a terror cheerleader.

"I don't think that it was Cheny's intention initially, to play such an active role as VP. I think that the more he got to know GWB and GWB's many limitations, the more he realized that he had to take control."

I disagree completely. I believe from the start, Cheney and his cronies saw this as a way to control the government without having to answer questions every day. At the start of Bush's first term, I remember reading several articles which spoke of Bush's disdain for the day-to-day requirements of the President, and that Cheney had taken up the slack. Look at every huge thing during this administration, and it has Cheney's fingerprints on it: tax cuts for the wealthiest, Iraq, Rumsfeld, Plame.....

vern,

get a grip.

#13 | Posted by Lipzoidial

Oh Vern has a grip. Just make sure he washes his hands when he is through.

Oh Suly how so very wrong You are. Our Courts most assuredly have jurisdiction since Gitmo IS US Soil and thereby anyone held under our jurisdiction is subject to our laws and legal system until we give it back to cuba. Oh and how do You know they are guilty Sully?? You state obviously thereb making an assumption. Like I said Sully Try em convict them and send them up the river. Oh and the only terror cheerleader is YOU Sully. You are the one who wants to abdicate our standards IE Rule of Law and Justice is blind for people You declare terrorists. Seems like that is what the terrorists do.

Larry

Cheney and his cronies saw this as a way to control the government without having to answer questions every day.

They knew Bush had no clue what he was doing and did not care. They knew they would have free reign and could manipulate the administration to suit their wishes. As VP he knew that he would operate in the shadows.

That is why Palyin is more important of a candidate than McAncient. She will be the real power broker in the adminstration with a 72 year old in the oval office. That is why Rove chose her. She is another tool that will be easily manipulated.

I agree with Danforth. Bush was used by Cheney. Bush's name recognition got him the job. Once GWB was in office, he only had to make appearances and the occasional speech. It's much like Reagan's administration in that regard.

I remember Bush saying he'd much rather be the Commissioner Major League Baseball than President of the United States.

no larry

sully didnt go far enough.........there is still the little idea of exposing our own people and tactics WHILE AT WAR during a trial......

of course the rights of these NON AMERICANCITIZENS in our courts mean much more to you than those little details dont they?>????????????

and these kind of things work for mccain by the way because of possible retirements

I agree that Cheney's fingerprints are on everything but I believe that is because GWB wasn't up to the job. And yes, Palin is another tool ala GWB.

"I remember Bush saying he'd much rather be the Commissioner Major League Baseball than President of the United States."

I wonder what damage he would have done there....

"Oh Suly how so very wrong You are. Our Courts most assuredly have jurisdiction since Gitmo IS US Soil and thereby anyone held under our jurisdiction is subject to our laws and legal system until we give it back to cuba. "

Larry - I'm trying very hard not to get personally insulting here but I think you are being deliberately obtuse becuase I know you aren't this stupid. Jurisdiction applies to where the alleged crime took place. Our courts have no jurisdiction over Afghanistan, which is where these people were training to be terrorists, which isn't illegal anyway.

"Like I said Sully Try em convict them and send them up the river."

And I already told you that we have no jurisdiction and that being a member of teror group isn't illegal. So try them for what? Just because you aren't sharp enough to understand what I'm saying doesn't mean I'm wrong. It just means you are being dull.

"You are the one who wants to abdicate our standards IE Rule of Law and Justice is blind for people"

My position since the first time I heard that we were taking these people into our custody has been that we need to turn them over to Afghan authorities as we have no jurisdiction over them. I never wanted them in Gitmo at all. Stop pretending you know things about me that you don't.

"Oh and the only terror cheerleader is YOU Sully."

I'm not the one calling people who train with Al Queda "good guys".

Hey BLT they should not have any problems with classified information withregards to our tactics. Oh and no matter if they are nonUS Citizens they still ave US Constitutional rights. The Supreme Court said so this Year. Oh and the US Constitution means more to Me than the details that You spew. Oh and what does McCain have to do with anything??

Larry

Sully PROVE they trained with Al Qaeda. PROVE they are Guilty and then se em up. We have jurisdiction after all.

Larry

when you agree with the sc about thier rights, then thats all I need to read

have a great day bud.........

gotta go

Another Victory for the Rule of Law and a rebuke of this Administration's illegal policies. No wonder Bush is pissed... his house of cards is collapsing fast.

Now all we need to do now is regain the WH so we can proceed with the Investigation and Prosecution of these criminals we currently have in the WH.

27 more days...

"Sully PROVE they trained with Al Qaeda. PROVE they are Guilty and then se em up. We have jurisdiction after all."

Listen Larry, if you want to pretend that someone who is caught fleeing an Al Queda camp wasn't there for bad reasons, fine. Pretend you have no common sense or critical thinking ability. But its really not as impressive a tactic as you think. I am personally unwilling to play along because lives are at stake.

As far as proving they are guilty, let me spell this out for you because you were obviously too dense to grasp this the first two times I said it: They are NOT GUILTY of a crime. Our anti-terror laws are weak and outdated. You should think this is a problem but you are too eager to defend terrorists to think straight.

And you can blabber on all you want about us having jurisdiction over these people but repeating a lie over and over never makes it true.

AP: Gitmo Detainees Say They Were Sold

Larry, your article is worthless. These guys claimed they were sold. The US government claims it have never offered to pay rewards for random prisoners and the Pakistani government claims it has handed people over but it has accepted no rewards. So what we have are a bunch of contradicting claims. Only people looking to defend terrorists would read that article and not realize that it doesn't present any conclusive information.

It certainly doesn't explain why Chinese citizens would travel thousands of miles out of their way to visit a warzone. But I know... I know... no common sense analysis of the situation allowed.... Silly me....

Common Sense dictates that if they were guilty of what they are being held for it would be a cinch to prove it in a Court of Law. THAT Common Sense enough for You Sully??

Larry

"Common Sense dictates that if they were guilty of what they are being held for it would be a cinch to prove it in a Court of Law. THAT Common Sense enough for You Sully??"

I've already told you that being a member of a terrorist group in and of itself is not a crime and we have no jurisdiction so they are not guilty in US courts. How dense do you have to be not to know this when I've told you three times before this? That you keep fixating on guilty/not guilty when we both apparently agree that they are not guitly shows that you are either very stupid or simply unwiling to have an honest discussion.

My point is that just because the law is ill equipped to address the threat of internatioinal terrorism doesn't mean that international terrorists are "good guys". When international terrorists are released into this country, it is not a victory for the "good guys".

Get it yet? I am not criticizing the fact that these people weren't found guilty. I am criticizig the fact that people like you are so eager to jump in and call them "good guys". They aren't good guys. They are awful people. The courts don't decide between good and bad. They rule on legal or illegal, which is enitrely different.

Bush has released hundreds of terrorists from GITMO Where is the Media talking about that? 17 more won't make a difference. Give them to the Chinese. No worries, No Problems!

Denvgray - did you read the article? The court ruled that we can't give them to the Chinese. What makes these people unique is that we have to let them live here.

The 17 Uighurs had been living in a camp in Afghanistan during the US-led military campaign that began in October 2001.

Take them back to where they were picked up.

Vern & Lip,

Had Lip said something to the effect (affect?) of:

'The US likes to bomb countries full of [people who don't look like out leaders] who are led by [people who don't look like out leaders]'

He would have been more correct -- and not racist.

I myself am partial to the phrase 'brown people' in place of "[people who don't look like out leaders]", but that's just me.

George Carlin (I would add 'god rest his soul' but he would probably have found that offensive) said as much and included that Germans were the exception because they were trying to move in on our turf.

"George Carlin (I would add 'god rest his soul' but he would probably have found that offensive) said as much and included that Germans were the exception because they were trying to move in on our turf."

Yeah, he also thought "The George Carlin Show" would be somewhat funny or entertaining.

Saying the US "likes to bomb brown people" is just a dismissive talking point. There is no reason behind it.

Most people in the world aren't caucasian. So odds are that most of our conflicts are going to be with people who aren't caucasian. You don't need to be very smart to figure that one out.

Um, regardless of what you think about Bush or Guantanamo, these are not "good guys". They are assholes who travelled thousands of miles for the sole purpose of forcing their extreme ideology on others at the point of the gun - and that is really the best case scenario explanation for their presence at that camp. Worst case scenario is that they were learning how to blow shit up so they could go home and murder non-Muslim Chinese people for the hell of it. Either way, these guys are not good and only an idiot would think its a good idea to have them running loose in our country.

#18 | Posted by Sully at 2008-10-08 11:16 AM | Reply |

Pure speculation on your part. Had any of your possible scenario's had even an inkling of evidence backing it up these guys would still have no judgement in they're favor.

You assume its a crime to have been in afghanistan and muslim. And that notion flatly speaks for itself as to your character and intelligence.

Fuck'em, they are innocent, but poor, and poor people only count in a Democracy. Lock'em up and then go to church and pray to Jesus.

The judge said there was no evidence that they were "enemy combatants" or a security risk.
"Because the constitution prohibits indefinite detentions without cause, the continued detention is unlawful," he said.

This explains it all and any who argue against this should be kicked out of this country period.

Sully, that includes you.

Laws are for a reason, and there is not one single excuse not to follow our laws. Unless you like stalin and such people.

there is still the little idea of exposing our own people and tactics WHILE AT WAR during a trial......

President Bush exposed our our people and tactics WHILE AT WAR by breaking our own laws and by NOT supporting and defending the Constitution against all enemies Foreign or DOMESTIC.

So BL2....Tell me.

When can we expect the arrests and prosecution of Bush and Cheney for their traitorous act of violating the Constitution during a time of WAR?

The appeal has kept these guys back in for god knows how long.

The bush administration is worried about china's reaction.

For the life of me I don't understand the continued wish to imprison worthless people for no reason.

I suspect these people have actual knowledge of the law breaking going on by this administration in those foreign lands.

There are Chinese in Guantanamo Bay??! We can't even release them to China because China will kill them. They are western friendly. The court found no reason at all not even "reliable hearsay" to hold them.. insanity.. if they were holding these guys.. who were they letting go before?!

Did any of you neo-con's read this story? It will melt your freaking mind, and dissolve your fantasy world view..

*This* is why the government needs to prove it has a reason to hold people in Guantanamo. Got that? This is why. It's the tool of a fascist state.

@#51 | Posted by moneywar

Bush is going to rot in hell.. I swear. Every man, everywhere in the world deserves a chance to defend himself in a fair court.

"Had any of your possible scenario's had even an inkling of evidence backing it up these guys would still have no judgement in they're favor."

I've said repeatedly that being a member of a terrorist group in Afghanistan is not a crime in the US. Why do people insist on addressing me over points I haven't made? I simply said that Al Queda members aren't the "good guys" even if they have yet to break our laws.

"This explains it all and any who argue against this should be kicked out of this country period.

Sully, that includes you."

If you can show me where I said these people should continue to be detained by the US, I admit that I was wrong. Otherwise, you should apologize to me. But I don't expect that you're big enough to admit that you're a knee jerk reactionary hack who made no effort to understand what I was saying.... I do welcome you to try to kick me out of this country if you want.

hint: If you read what I've said, I was against us ever taking these people into custody.