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Tuesday, October 07, 2008

The Economist: Among those who study economics for a living, Barack Obama's lead is much more commanding. A survey of academic economists by The Economist finds the majority believe Obama has the superior economic plan, a firmer grasp of economics and will appoint better economic advisers.

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Sorry folks, I didn't look over the spelling errors.

"Our survey is not, by any means, a scientific poll of all economists. We e-mailed a questionnaire to 683 research associates, all we could track down, of the National Bureau of Economic Research, America's premier association of applied academic economists, though the NBER itself played no role in the survey. A total of 142 responded, of whom 46% identified themselves as Democrats, 10% as Republicans and 44% as neither."

Of course Obama's plan is good. He has the education between the two. All McCain has is a sinking brain drain.

Larry

44% as neither."

#2 | Posted by salamandagator

I also found this to be the most telling part of the article. Independents, like me, who are the largest voting block are going heavily toward obama.

...but...but...but....McCain's a Maverick !!....

......a Maverick I tell you.!!..........

This is a maverick. This also the time period McCain thinks we live in.

www.youtube.com

this is a maverick.


www.youtube.com

this is a maverick

www.youtube.com

this is not a maverick

politicalhumor.about.com

"My economic plan is not payin' my taxes! You betcha!"

Granted:

the McCain campaign should be buoyed by the fact that 530 economists have signed a statement endorsing his plans.
Which isn't much less than the 683 questioned in the survey, all they could track down.

Frankly, I don't have much respect for the economists that taught my undergrad and MBA classes. They tended to be out of touch as the ones that were good at their job usually used their pdh to land a high paying job in the private sector. Most of those that stuck around to teach were from 3rd world shithole economies that would be the last place you would seek advice on how to run a country. Nonetheless, this appears to be a self selection bias in this as Obama's supporters are much more likely to be full on converts that actually answer these types to questionnaires. It is telling in the fact that such as high % of respondents self identified as democrats when democrats as a whole represent only a small % within the profession.

I think in this case, many people will choose an educated "elitist" over a feel-good hockey mom. And let's face it; this is what the election is boiling down to. McCain is somewhat irrelevent, as it would appear that Palin has rejuvenated much of the base.

In the end, with the way the economy is, people will choose the smart guy.

Now McCain is a maverick with lipstick.

Typical poll for this election:

"Our survey is not, by any means, a scientific poll of all economists. We e-mailed a questionnaire to 683 research associates......"

"A total of 142 responded"

"46% identified themselves as Democrats"

"10% as Republicans"

"44% as neither."

Let's try to make a more accurate headline, shall we?

Democrat Economists: Obama's Economic Policy Better


Less of the economists surveyed said McCain had a better grasp of Economics than were Republicans. Nice.


As Perot used to say, 'The devils in the details'.

It doesn't take a genius to understand that McCains kind of policies are very destructive in our current economical climate.

The only thing I have ever heard him say that makes any sense whatsoever is that government needs to control spending. Of course everbody says that and goes on to do exactly the opposite.

Must suck to be a Rethug these days.

Typical poll for this election:

"Our survey is not, by any means, a scientific poll of all economists. We e-mailed a questionnaire to 683 research associates......"

"A total of 142 responded"

"46% identified themselves as Democrats"

"10% as Republicans"

"44% as neither."

Let's try to make a more accurate headline, shall we?

Democrat Economists: Obama's Economic Policy Better

#15 | Posted by KBM

This is quite funny.

Whether or not more econcomists in general truly think Obama's plan is better, this poll proves nothing, except that democrats think Obama's plan is better.

That won't stop the faithful from pretending that this means something, though.

No wonder McCain doesn't want to talk about the economy. McCain doesn't lie very good. Word is out that the bail out is going to cost 2.5 trillion and the congress does not want the people to know and panic.

Obama is a huge supporter of ACORN. Right now ACORN office in Nevada has been raided for voter fraud probe,

ACORN played a role in the subprime crisis by intimidating banks to give loans to unqualified applicants. Obama is a contributer in this crisis.


Obama is a contributer in this crisis.

#21 | Posted by takitez

This assertion is so retarded my head hurts.

Now that we have heard the opinion from Democrat economists how about the USA?

"100 Economists Say Obama Plan Wrong for Economy"

"The following statement was signed by 100 distinguished and experienced economists at major American universities and research organizations, including five Nobel Prize winners"

www.redcounty.com

"This assertion is so retarded my head hurts."

#22 | Posted by ddenton

Did Obama vote for or against the handou... er, bailout?

Didn't FDR raise taxes in the beginning and this resulted in making the Depression worse?

Made unemployment worse too I believe.

Obama will raise taxes only on the wealthy!

The wealthy wil pay...
and pay...
and pay...

Finally, we will have an articulate, intelligent, handsome African-American as President.

Stop greed - vote 'Bama!
Stop despair - vote 'Bama!
Stop McRacist - vote 'Bama!
Stop the KKK - vote 'Bama!
Stop hate - vote 'Bama!
Stop racism in it's tracks - vote 'Bama!
Stop the European-American opressors - vote 'Bama!
Give African-Americans a chance.

Give peace a chance.

Be Well.

Yes Obama's economic plan is great! So is the Stock Market!

Those "who study economics fr a living" should receive an " 'F' for Failure" since their economic models did not indicate the portending problems in the economic situation, and consequently did not recommend any palliative measures to correct them.

According to Blomberg, world debt is $373 trillion with a "t.". That's $373,000,000,000,000. That represents a lot of "obligation," claims that some have against others, and it was reported that it amounts to $60,000 per person. This would include every impoverished infant born in subSaharan Africa, nomads in Asia, and dwellers in the Amazon, so that the "amount owed" by those whose economies are "active" in the markets would be far more.

It's a very complex system with cross-obligations. The Iceland bank failures, which occurred after their banks ventured into markets and began dealing in "play money," not sustainable by their economy, and being several times their gross domestic product.

Of course, this bailout is an effort at misdirection with the need being provision of a mechanism to enable short term borrowing for businesses, a matter which was not in the focus of the bailout scam. Now "the fed" is finally addressing the crux of the current economic problem by setting up mechanisms to provide for meeting that critical need. www.breitbart.com

London has been the center of world economic stability with the LIBOR setting rates used worldwide. This index provides not only the overnight rate but rates for increments as long as a year with the three month rate a benchmark for many other indexes. Now the London banks are in "freefall," losing some 10% with some losing some 20% in "value" overnight, so to speak. This instability threatens the world's baning system. All 16 of the group of international banks, whose data is used in setting LIBOR, are involved in the worldwide problem.

But there are some places that rain does not fall. Some bear is recommending purchase of "Hershey's" as the cost of chocolate, sugar, and milk, have decreased significantly, the company has increased what it charges for its product twice, it has streamlined its operations and has a competent CEO (or whatever he's called), and the company is entering international markets. Oh, and Halloween helps. We'll see. Oh, and he thinks the gaming companies that sell those electronic "toys" will not do well this Christmas season.

In the meantine there is a 600 pound guerilla in the banking system that could really bring down the economies of the world. The PRC, the Peoples Republic of China, operates on a very thin margin. When the Chinese economy is adversely affected by reduction in purchases by its overseas markets, beware. The holdings of China's many billionaires have been reduced.

This is a house of paper, $60,000 (more or less) in cross-obligations for everyone in this world. And our government controlled by the same worthies who circulate between official government positions and the financial institutions has sought to bail them out at the expense of the American taxpayer's decrease in living standard instead of providing a mechanism for them to disgorge their ill-gotten gains secured by instruments such as derivatives.

(cont.)

(cont.)

Oh by the way, Bank of America acquired Countrywide, and in behalf of Countrywide has settled a suit with the Attorneys General of eleven states for $8,400,000,000 to settle some 400,000 claims with such adjustments as interest only payments for tenon average of approximately $21,000 per loan.

Oh, by the way, recently Wells Fargo was evaluated as I recall, as the strongest bank operating in the United States. Quite naturally with that position, they have since sought to acquire Wachovia, so their present situation is unfathomable - for the nonce anyway.

Sleep well.

Finally, we will have an articulate, intelligent, handsome African-American as President.

He's clean, too.

No sickeningly-sweet waft of ethnic hair product with this one.

No sir.

Makes me feel all giddy and post-racial to vote for him.

G08ama!

Neither Obama nor his "advisors," nor McCain and his "advisors," can put a handle on this. The idea that Obama has "a better plan" is so much nonsense as the only "plan" is interim measures that sustain the economy, such as those now being implemented by the Bush Administration, yes "better late than never" intervention, to provide liquidity for the American economy apart from the housing market.

This interim solution is the undertaking to provide liquidity to America's operating businesses, to enable them to meet payroll and the like. The only problem is the speed at which this is being done. It's urgent, and requires immediate application, similar to a situation in which a human requires oxygen to survive.

Aside from this realization, and note that it's being done under "the Bush administration," it's largely a matter of responding with alactrity to crises as they arise, and there is no "Obama Plan" that can accomplish anything. It's just a propaganda ploy. Oh, but you folks like being gulled. Obama is an empty suit, whose only understanding of "the economy" is that from the perspective of "a community organizer," who can squeeze some sustenance for the non-productive out of a vibrant economy, the viewpoint of a parasite. As for "managing an economy," get real. Neither of the candidates is worth a pot of beans, and Romney is not in the picture. Malheuresment.

#26 | Posted by skip_wellington at 2008-10-07 07:37 PM

Obama will raise taxes only on the wealthy! (sic)

This is consistent with Obama's past actions as a community organizer, whose game plan was to "take from the rich" and give to his constituency. While previously, as a commuity organizer, his toolbox contained intimidation and coercion, and threatened disruption of productive processes and the public peace, nowadays he has the prospect of governmental power to accomplish his purposes.

It may amuse some of you folks, but the outcome is slowing down or even eliminating the accumulation of capital and stalling economic activity with dire consequences. But many of you seem to have the mentality of looters at a riot, who do not see beyond the benefits of the immediate theft.

Finally, we will have an articulate, intelligent, handsome African-American as President.

Oh? Is that combination for blacks so rare that it is notable. Well, the vice-presidential candidate, Biden, thought so and made a similar statement (eliminating the "handsome). Well Skip, or are you an alter ego for "deth," I'm glad that something turns you on. In this case it's "a handsome black man." I wonder if that could be considered a form of paraphilia? It would be a stretch. But you "Be well" also.

dethspud is tolarable - but he's a gun nut - not my type!

Be Well.

Good. I recognize that you don't refer to yourself in the third person. but deth at times seems so dissociated that it is possible he creates other detached personalities.

I did think, however, that "Be well" was his "trademark." Or should it be "copyright?" Is one of you a plagiarist, or is the phrase in the public domain?

"Be well"

You can hear it every week on the radio.

"Dr. Dean Radio/TV Schedule"
www.healthcentral.com

It is the ultimate irony that this economic debacle was precipitated by government intervention to redistribute "goods," housing in this instance, and the "remedies" suggested for the current malaise entail introduction of further disequilibrium into the economy by redistributing even more goods.

Obama proposes solutions based on his indoctrination that involve "community activist," populist solutions of "taking" and "giving," which is based on the illusion that there is an unlimited resource available, a cornucopia which would supply the materials for the process, when the repeatedly demonstrated fact is that such practices are stultifying and cause an economy to grind to a halt.

It is only when such practices were abandoned that the socialist economies of China and Russia were invigorated.

All that said, McCain's "health care proposals" are not only unworkable but unpalatable as people are frightened and regard them as threatening their health care resources. Obama's proposals are also gravely flawed in terms of health care delivery, but not as badly as McCain's. This aspect of their debate may be the death throe for McCain. Whoever proposed McCain's program to him, should publicly have the buttons cut off of his tunic, and be drummed out of the thinking corps as unfit. It's an Achilles heel.

Johnson-
Your comments about "goods" are quite humorous on the heels of an administration that has doubled the debt. Was that intentional?

Where did that $5,000,000,000,000 of "goods" go over the last eight years under Republican governance?

[Well, as long as it wasn't going to the riff-raff (middle-class), I suppose that was quite a responsible frittering away of the "goods"]

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