I, for one, am getting tired of the race card being played at the slightest criticism of Obama. Is he above criticism because he is black? That makes no sense whatsoever.

Many blacks will outright tell you they are voting for Obama BECAUSE he is black. Is that racist? If whites said they were voting for McCain because he was white, the outrage of "racism" would be enormous.

I truly believe that those who would vote for the Republican ticket or the Democratic ticket are doing so because of their difference in views. If you look at polls from the last presidential election, the percentages are basically the same.

Had it been John McCain with this association, the press would have hounded him out of the campaign, and it's doubtful that Mr. Daniel would have noticed any tinge of an age discrimination or any other subtext

They woulda hounded him out of the campaign?

I think there's an undeniable racial subtext in portraying a black U.S. senator nominated by a major party as if he were an anti-American outsider hostile to "our" values. Palin's gone straight into the gutter this week and I'm glad that this AP analyst called them on it.

Distraction from his connection to a domestic terrorist, an unrepentant one --- will not work.

A ligitimate concern. For too long rabid liberals have been assaulting the values and history of America and its about time some corrections take place.

The White House will become a house of Payer --- take that ACLU.

Palin makes herself more irrelevant with each accusation or attempt to assasinate Obama's character. Americans want answers to economic problems not distraction. Palin is being viewed more and more as just an attack dog desperately trying to change the subject. Sorry, the subject is the economy and will continue to be the economy no matter how many ridiculous and outlandish attacks she makes.

"The White House will become a house of Payer "

It already is. Have you seen those massive deficits?

"The White House will become a house of Payer --- take that America."

700 billion to pay for Greenspan's and Bush's use of interest rates to keep the economy looking healthy while it rotted from within.

"I think there's an undeniable racial subtext in portraying a black U.S. senator nominated by a major party as if he were an anti-American outsider hostile to "our" values."

I think that if any candidate is associated with an alleged terrorist the Republicans are going to jump on it, regardless of whether they are black. If you don't think they'd do the same thing to a white person, you've been living in a cave. Republicans routinely play the fear card, as well as the "patriotism" card, and it has nothing to do with race.

Danforth, God specializes in death and resurrection.

No more wars. A season of peace and prosperity is ahead. The deficit will be wiped clean in time. And will make sure no individual take the credit for it.

For too long rabid liberals have been assaulting the values and history of America
#4 | Posted by takitez

Wrong, radical Liberals created the values and history of America.
One of those values being that the White House should not be a "house of p(r)ayer".

BTW, one of those radical Liberals I refer to was your hero, Jesus.

Ayers was associated with one kind of terrorist but there are other types. Oliver NOrth and Gordon Liddy were responsible for horrible crimes against humanity and I would call them terrorists just as surely as any one else responsible for the murder and torture of innocent civillians. Americans seem to selectively decide which type of crime is worthy of attention based solely on the opinions of a few loud mouthed pundits on radio and TV.

For too long lying scum like takyermeds have been assaulting the values and history of America and its about time some corrections take place.

-There, fixed.

"On the dogmas of religion, as distinguished from moral principles, all mankind, from the beginning of the world to this day, have been quarreling, fighting, burning and torturing one another, for abstractions unintelligible to themselves and to all others, and absolutely beyond the comprehension of the human mind."

Thomas Jefferson

"Religions are all alike -- founded upon fables and mythologies"

Thomas Jefferson

"Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined, and imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites."

Thomas Jefferson

"Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear"

Thomas Jefferson

All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
Thomas Paine

Any system of religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child, cannot be true.
Thomas Paine

Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man.
Thomas Paine

Is it not a species of blasphemy to call the New Testament revealed religion, when we see in it such contradictions and absurdities.
Thomas Paine

It is not a God, just and good, but a devil, under the name of God, that the Bible describes.
Thomas Paine

My mind is my own church.
Thomas Paine

Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst.
Thomas Paine

One good schoolmaster is of more use than a hundred priests.
Thomas Paine

Persecution is not an original feature in any religion; but it is always the strongly marked feature of all religions established by law.
Thomas Paine

Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
Thomas Paine

The Vatican is a dagger in the heart of Italy.
Thomas Paine

The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a lunatic asylum.
Thomas Paine

When men yield up the privilege of thinking, the last shadow of liberty quits the horizon.
Thomas Paine

700 billion to pay for Greenspan's and Bush's use of interest rates to keep the economy looking healthy while it rotted from within.

The $700B has nothing to due to saving the economy - it is a bailout for Wall Street only. The gov entering the CP markets will have 1000x better results at actually unfreezing the credit markets. Any idiot that voted for or supported this outright theft from America has no business running the country. If you vote for Obama at this point, you will have only yourself to blame when the SAME EXACT BUSH policies are followed on the economy under Obama with the SAME EXACT RESULTS. This was put in motion by Clinton and NAFTA and no amount of lying and spinning by the Dems will be able to change the truth.

Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
Thomas Paine

This seems to apply so Palin's actions over the last few days.

John McCain DOES have associations with violent radicals and criminals. G. Gordon Liddy, for instance, who has advocated taking a "head shot" at federal agents and who has plotted out all sorts of crimes such as blowing up the Brookings Institution.

What has the media done about it?

Obama 349 McCain 174 Ties 15

"The $700B has nothing to due to saving the economy - it is a bailout for Wall Street only."

#17 | Posted by Jacque_Strap

Don't start harping on corporate welfare. It becomes a non-issue in cases where dems are for it.

--- take that America."

This speaks volumes about how Republicans feel about our country!

This speaks volumes about how Obama really feels and what we can expect. Read the first one twice and find it has proven true in this election.

Better read his book "Dreams From My FatherA Story of Race and Inheritance":

"OBAMA BRAGS ABOUT HIS TRICKS

"It was usually an effective tactic, another one of those tricks I had learned: People were satisfied as long as you were courteous and smiled and made no sudden moves. They were more than satisfied; they were relieved--such a pleasant surprise to find a well-mannered young black man who didn't seem angry all the time." pg 94

OBAMA WENT OUT OF HIS WAY TO CHOOSE MARXIST PROFESSORS AS HIS FRIENDS

"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist Professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets." pg 100

OBAMA CONSIDERED HIMSELF "A SPY BEHIND ENEMY LINES" WHEN HE WORKED IN CORPORATE AMERICA

"Eventually a consulting house to multinational corporations agreed to hire me as a research assistant. Like a spy behind enemy lines, I arrived at my mid-manhattan office and sat at my computer terminal..." Pg 135

OBAMA DRANK HEAVILY AND TRIED DRUGS ENTHUSIASTICALLY

"I kept playing basketball, attended classes sparingly, drank beer heavily, and tried drugs enthusiastically," pg 93

OBAMA SAYS POT, BOOZE AND COCAINE HELPED HIM

"I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped,and booze;maybe a little blow when you could afford it." (emphasis added) pg 93
ey were relieved--such a pleasant surprise to find a well-mannered young black man who didn't seem angry all the time." pg 94

OBAMA KNEW THAT REV WRIGHT HAD BEEN INVOLVED WITH ISLAM AND BLACK NATIONALISM BEFORE TRINITY UNITED

"He had grown up in Philadelphia, the son of a Baptist minister. He had resisted his father's vocation at first, joining the Marines out of college, dabbling with liquor, Islam and black nationalism." Pg 282."

It's grown tiresome to watch you limpwristed fruits cry racism any time somebody dares criticize Obama. Butch the fuck up and quit being such hyper-sensitive Sallies.

How do you fruitcakes make it through the day being so easily offended? Do you literally spot your panties at every percieved slight?

Pointing out Obama palled around with Ayers isn't racism, it's fact. Pointing out Obama looks like Curious George is a fact as well as racially motivated. Pointing out his wife looks like an angry gorrilla could also be seen as fact, but admittedly it's racist in nature.

Long story short, Ooga Booga, Obama's black and pals around with a known terrorist (you can decide which one I'm talking about).

it's doubtful that Mr. Daniel would have noticed any tinge of an age discrimination or any other subtext.

Age discrimination?

Race is not a legitimate question when picking a POTUS, age is.

Fer starters you have to over 35 yo to even be considered according to the Constitution.

That's not discrimination that's just sensible.

Here's another piece of sense.

"No one should ever sit in this office over 70 years old, and that I know."

~Dwight D Eisenhower.

Was that Ike being discriminatory or just making sense?

Spud likes Ike so Spud'll go with the latter interpretation.

Ya wanna talk abpout associations with terrorists and America haters?

McLame licks Bush's ass and he's a terrorist responsible fer the deaths of hundreds of thousands the torturing of gawd knows how many and the displacement and misery of millions.

More people on this globe hate Dumbya than they do Bin Laden and that aint easy to do.

Sarah Palin is married to an America hater.

Game, Set and Match.

G08ama!

Be Well.

pals around with a known terrorist (you can decide which one I'm talking about).

#24 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Here's picture proof that he does....

Ask yourself: How many in my circle of friends have engaged in terrorist attacks on the US? How many in my circle of friends regularly denounce this country with "God damn America"? How many do I hang out with who are actively involved in organizations (ie. ACORN) who do the same?

Imagine if John McCain had his political "coming out party" wherein he announced his candidacy for Senator, and he did this from Timothy McVeigh's house (you know...the one who bombed the Oklahoma City Federal Building)?

Do you suppose John McCain would have escaped media scrutiny and condemnation for such an act? Nope! Hey, but if you're a friend of Willam Ayers (who attempted to blow up the pentagon and wishes he'd done more destruction), and your name is Barak Obama, it's no big deal.

Some would say, "Obama was only 8 years old when the Ayers' bombing occurred." I say "Pffffft!" Obama wasn't 8 years old when he announced running for the Senate from Ayers home!

"Ask yourself: How many in my circle of friends have engaged in terrorist attacks on the US?"

About as many a have ripped off the taxpayers for hundreds of millions of dollars.

I mean...if attending the same meetings is the barometer, isn't John McCain "hangin'" with Charles Keating?

Willam Ayers (who attempted to blow up the pentagon ...
I say "Pffffft!"
#27 | Posted by TheOneBS

Me, too.
Bill Ayers tried to blow up the Pentagon, all its rings and all, eh?
We had to wait until Bush was at the helm before someone landed a truly nasty blow on that building.
Long live the GOP, party of switch-sleepers.
Get a clue.

So I guess it's ok to blow up buildings like the Federal building in Oklahoma city, and the Pentagon too!

And I do believe McCain was exhonorated...as Senator Glen was also....you know, that same Glen who just gave a campaing speech for Obama?

Race is not a legitimate question when picking a POTUS, age is.

Then why do the left always bring it up - including the muslim himself?

More people on this globe hate Dumbya than they do Bin Laden and that aint easy to do.

Link? Then go back to your yellow pisswater you call beer.

Be Well.

John McCain...sinister Keating 5 figure.

John Glenn....ditto.

Hey, but Obama will lambaste McCain (exhonorated), but gladly schmooze Glenn.

Good point guys! Vaccuous mutants!

" including the muslim himself?"

It's always easier identifying the bigots when they volunteer themselves.

Paine and Jefferson?

Jefferson signed this along with 55 other men:

"When in the Course of human events, ... the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, "

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator"

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world"

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

1. John Hancock (Massachusetts)
New Hampshire

2. Josiah Bartlett
3. William Whipple
4. Matthew Thornton
Massachusetts

5. Samuel Adams
6. John Adams
7. Robert Treat Paine
8. Elbridge Gerry
Rhode Island

9. Stephen Hopkins
10. William Ellery
Connecticut

11. Roger Sherman
12. Samuel Huntington
13. William Williams
14. Oliver Wolcott
New York

15. William Floyd
16. Philip Livingston
17 Francis Lewis
18. Lewis Morris New Jersey

19. Richard Stockton
20. John Witherspoon
21. Francis Hopkinson
22. John Hart
23. Abraham Clark
Pennsylvania

24. Robert Morris
25. Benjamin Rush
26. Benjamin Franklin
27. John Morton
28. George Clymer
29. James Smith
30. George Taylor
31. James Wilson
32. George Ross
Delaware

33. George Read
34. Caesar Rodney
35. Thomas McKean
Maryland

36. Samuel Chase
37. William Paca
38. Thomas Stone
39. Charles Carroll of Carrollton Virginia

40. George Wythe
41. Richard Henry Lee
42. Thomas Jefferson
43. Benjamin Harrison
44. Thomas Nelson, Jr.
45. Francis Lightfoot Lee
46. Carter Braxton
North Carolina

47. William Hooper
48. Joseph Hewes
49. John Penn
South Carolina

50. Edward Rutledge
51. Thomas Heyward, Jr.
52. Thomas Lynch, Jr.
53. Arthur Middleton
Georgia

54. Button Gwinnett
55. Lyman Hall
56. George Walton

You cannot create a decades-long culture of black pride in which black people are encouraged while growing up to think of themselves as "Afro" first, and "American" second, and then complain when others view them the same way.

#34 | Posted by Petrous

Yes, and then Jefferson went home and raped the hell out of Sally Hemmings, his favorite little piece of property.

A ridiculously unfunny deflection from Wallback, who would have guessed...

If Obama loses, it will a direct result of racism. Blacks in this country are systematically oppressed by the government and the white establishment. The power structure in this nation has always had whites at the top and "everybody else" at the bottom. Obama is a direct threat to that structure.

If McCain wins, look for a return to the days of fire hoses, church burnings, and Jim Crow laws. Expect to see legislation that denies blacks the right to vote. It's even possible to imagine a return to the days of institutionalized slavery throughout the South. My friends have said that the National Guard has been organized in some states and given procedures about how to round up blacks and take us to camps.

"Nature's God"

They were deists.

"So I guess it's ok to blow up buildings like the Federal building in Oklahoma city, and the Pentagon too!
#30 | Posted by TheOneBS at 2008-10-07 12:47 PM"

Sorry, but you guess wrong.
What's also not okay is to accuse someone of doing something they didn't do.
Like you did.

"And I do believe McCain was exhonorated..."

It was found that he exercised poor judgment.
Like he's doing day in, day out in his "campaign."

"Read it and learn, dumbfuck!"
It obviously didn't teach you anything.
Why should I waste me time.
To be like you?
LOL

Of The Religion of Deism Compared With
the Christian Religion

by Thomas Paine

Would it be racist or political pointing out the millions of dollars in earmarks sent to the University Ayers is teaching? Or the CAC (Annenburg) who put Ayres and Obama together and launched his political career? Not to mention his wife's former employer?

"I am God" - ZAT

My friends have said that the National Guard has been organized in some states and given procedures about how to round up blacks and take us to camps.

#38 | Posted by KnowsTooMuch at 2008-10-07 01:17 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)

Even worse, they're taking you to a job fair.

If McCain wins, look for a return to the days of fire hoses, church burnings, and Jim Crow laws. Expect to see legislation that denies blacks the right to vote. It's even possible to imagine a return to the days of institutionalized slavery throughout the South. My friends have said that the National Guard has been organized in some states and given procedures about how to round up blacks and take us to camps.

#38 | Posted by KnowsNotMuch

Is this buffalo bob?

""I am God" - ZAT"

Posted by ELCIDCE90

[citation needed]

There is no god, but there are obviously plenty of fuckwits.

If Obama loses, it will a direct result of racism. Blacks in this country are systematically oppressed by the government and the white establishment.

It is amazing blacks like Jordan, Johnson, Ali, Foreman, Smith, Jackson, James and the thousands of other athletes and entertainers have been kept down by the man. Marshall, Thomas appointed to the USSC. BET owner and thousands of other CEO's How does one explain their success?

In the "Though the Looking Glass" World of liberalism, where the cheshire cat is smiling at us and The Queen of Hearts is lopping heads, it is racist to point out that Obama handed out money to radicalize school children with an unrepentent domestic terrorist and attended a church for 20 years with a racist anti-white pastor. It makes one wonder which side of the rabbit hole we live on.

There is no god, but there are obviously plenty of fuckwits.

#46 | Posted by Zatoichi

Self retort alert.

Zat's world:

"This is not a man who sees America like you and I see America,"

I don't know what she's talking about. Palin can't see America at all. Canada's in the way and Hawaii's over the horizon.

It is amazing blacks like Jordan, Johnson, Ali, Foreman, Smith, Jackson, James and the thousands of other athletes and entertainers have been kept down by the man. Marshall, Thomas appointed to the USSC. BET owner and thousands of other CEO's How does one explain their success?

I've previously said, and I'll say again, that sports are little more than the latest way that the white masses amuse themselves at the expense of impoverished blacks. You need only to look at college athletics to see the inherent racism. Kids are plucked from their homes to travel hundreds of miles to play in sports for the amusement of the white student body and alumni. Many are promised an impossible future, such as using a college as a stepping stone to a professional athletic career. In many cases, these students [sic] are discarded by the school as soon as their eligibility expires or their bodies are broken by the torture of their competition.

There's currently 5 black CEOs among the Fortune 500. The population of the United States is more than 1% black, so you can't deny that blacks are under-represented among that group.

The notion that the head of BET is black doesn't exactly shatter the glass ceiling. What else you got?

There's currently 5 black CEOs among the Fortune 500. The population of the United States is more than 1% black, so you can't deny that blacks are under-represented among that group.

Posted by KnowsTooMuch at 2008-10-07 03:29 PM | Reply

What is the drop out rate in High School for blacks?
It's hard to graduate from college when blacks have such an enormous drop out rate in High School.

But the fact that your culture accepts that (and teen pregnancy and all around failure) is some how whitey's fault, isn't it?

Knowsnotmuch, how's life on the plantation? I mean from the sound of it, you must be on one. 75% of the NFL is black - 75% of the country is not black-so you can't deny whites are under-represented among that group. 90% of the NBA is Black-90% of the country is not black so you can't deny whites are under-represented among that group. 50% of the candidates for president are black-50% of the country is not black so you can't deny whites are under-represented among that group.

There is no god....
#46 | Posted by Zatoichi

Deism believes there is a god.

Then, from wiki:

Critical elements of deist thought included:

Rejection of all religions based on books that claim to contain the revealed word of God.
Rejection of reports of miracles, prophecies and religious "mysteries".
Rejection of the Genesis account of creation and the doctrine of original sin, along with all similar beliefs.
Rejection of Judaism, Christianity, Islam and other religious beliefs.
Constructive elements of deist thought included:

God gave men reason.
God exists, created and governs the universe.
God wants human beings to behave morally.
Human beings have souls that survive death; that is, there is an afterlife.

God gave men reason... There's an afterlife.

I'd love to see a deist explain that, using reason, and without God's proof revealed in some form.

They reject what other religions have established for their reasoning. Yet, for their own belief, they reason afterlife exists - how do you reason that?

The notion that the head of BET is black doesn't exactly shatter the glass ceiling. What else you got?

You never mentioned a word about Marshall and Thomas. I guess being appointed to the US Supreme Court is meaningless because it refutes your conjecture. You also failed to mention the entertainment industry and the thousands of succesful musicians and actors. Again I understand why you didn't address this entity of success.

What percentage of Blacks aspire to become CEOs versus Rap artists?

I am with Justice Thomas on this issue. Quit blamming everything on YOUR skin color. Nothing is keeping you down but you.

I am a white male that was born without a silver spoon in my mouth, but I am not looking for any short cuts.

I am not a CEO and I ain't bitching about it. If I wanted to bad enough, I could become one. Regardless of the color of my skin or if I sit or stand to pee.

"Deism believes there is a god."

How 18th century of you.

"This is one of the great social functions of science -- to free people from superstition."
-- Steven Weinberg

Don't forget the hundreds of thousands of lawyers, doctors, fire fighters, peace officers, college professors.... It amazes me someone can still try and attribute Jim Crow Laws in 2008.

I'd love to see a deist explain that, using reason, and without God's proof revealed in some form.
Well, I am a Deist, and I do not believe in the afterlife.

The true thoughts of a Deist:

There is a God. (End Of Story)

Anyone who tries to tell you more than that, is fucking lying to you.

Anyone who tries to tell you that they know more about God than it exists, is fucking lying to you.

When it comes to God, you can BELIEVE anything that you want, but if you think you have any knowledge of what, why, when, how or where, then you're full of shit, and I will call you on it.

Sorry, I don't respect your BELIEFS and I do not care if you are offended.

Oh, and Jesus? He's still dead!

to free people from superstition

By superstition you mean macro evolution?

"Faith is higher than reason. Reason is useless.... unless you believe."

MP, thanks. I don't know anything about Deism and the net is filled with suggested truths.

Even if it is inconceivable, if God spoke to you, how would you know it was God?

I've seen no video/audio recordings of Christopher Columbus. I've seen pictures/paintings of him, read about him in books, but beyond all that - I've no real proof that he ever existed. I mean, books and such are just other people saying he existed and the things he did, well it's just heresay. Even if they say there is collaborating statements by different people - doesn't mean its the truth.

I guess I could find people spoken of further back in history. No proof, just people claiming they existed and suggested stories about what they did. We'll never know if its the truth. There's no available proof, unless your willing to accept what people wrote down hundreds of years ago as proof.

"But the fact that your culture accepts that (and teen pregnancy and all around failure) is some how whitey's fault, isn't it?"

#52 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-10-07 03:33 PM

Teen pregnancy?

Yes, teen pregnancy. Perhaps you are unaware of what the rate is for blacks?
I'm sure you find Palin's daughters' pregnancy funny, but not as funny as I find the disfunctional african american cultures pervasive problems with it...

PS-I don't care if Palins daughter has 10 babies by 10 different daddies. It would take a hell of a lot of her to equal the level of debauchery the blacks have achieved.
Oh, and I don't like Palin or McCain, so enjoy the laugh fruitcake.

Birth rates for African American and Hispanic teens continue to be substantially higher than those for non-Hispanic white teens. The birth rate for white teens fell to 37.6 per 1,000 women ages 15 to 19. By comparison, the African American teen birth rate fell to 91.4 per 1,000 and the Hispanic, to 101.8 per 1,000.12

Uh oh.

"Everyone must bow at the altar of science."

Zatoichi

"Everyone must bow at the altar of science."

Zatoichi

Posted by fwthom

[citation needed]

Making up quotes only exposes you for the liar you are.

Try posting your worthless, ignorant bullshit without science and transistors, imbecile.

Knowsnotmuch, how's life on the plantation? I mean from the sound of it, you must be on one. 75% of the NFL is black - 75% of the country is not black-so you can't deny whites are under-represented among that group. 90% of the NBA is Black-90% of the country is not black so you can't deny whites are under-represented among that group. 50% of the candidates for president are black-50% of the country is not black so you can't deny whites are under-represented among that group.

Just as Romans were under-represented among slaves and gladiators? Blacks are sold into gold-plated handcuffs through athletic competitions. They are paid to sacrifice their bodies for the amusement and bloodlust of whites. Look at the NFL -- how many black men must endure life-changing injuries just to slake the bloodlust of the white corporate establishment?

I am not a CEO and I ain't bitching about it. If I wanted to bad enough, I could become one.

Not with grammar like that.

I would suspect that the average age for Fortune 500 CEOs is in the upper 50s to mid 60s. That's means they were born around 1940-1950. Any poster on here who would assert that skin color would have no effect on the percentage of minority CEOs today must be very, very young or, at least, child-like.

"But the fact that your culture accepts that (and teen pregnancy and all around failure) is some how whitey's fault, isn't it?"

Actually, yes, it is. These are the results of institutionalized racism. Blacks are taught that success is unreachable, so trying is pointless. Do you seriously think that black men can acquire job skills working at Burger King? When you're trapped in an inner-city school and nobody cares for you, why not join a gang? At least by dealing drugs, it's possible to make enough money to survive.

If we seriously addressed urban decay, our culture could start fixing these things. Instead, white people turn their backs on the problem by voting Republican and driving their Hummers to their mansions in the suburbs.

The notion that the head of BET is black doesn't exactly shatter the glass ceiling. What else you got?
Posted by KnowsTooMuch

You never mentioned a word about Marshall and Thomas. I guess being appointed to the US Supreme Court is meaningless because it refutes your conjecture. You also failed to mention the entertainment industry and the thousands of succesful musicians and actors. Again I understand why you didn't address this entity of success.

Thought maybe you ran away. Or didn't have a comeback.

"What's the common denominator"

Lack of economic opportunity.

fwthom = bigot

You never mentioned a word about Marshall and Thomas. I guess being appointed to the US Supreme Court is meaningless because it refutes your conjecture. You also failed to mention the entertainment industry and the thousands of succesful musicians and actors. Again I understand why you didn't address this entity of success.

Marshall and Thomas are merely two of 106 Supreme Court Justices. That's less than 2%. If anything, their prominence underscores how truly exceptional they are.

You also failed to mention the entertainment industry and the thousands of succesful musicians and actors.

I agree that the entertainment industry is one area in which doors have been open to African-Americans. I can only speculate as to why. Perhaps it is because Hollywood tends to be significantly more progressive than the rest of America? Or perhaps it is because the entertainment industry is one arena in which talent is evaluated less subjectively than in others.

One aspect of the entertainment industry that has always bothered me, and perhaps others have noticed it-- there are rarely integrated sitcoms in America. Family Matters was a "black family." The Cosby Show was also a "black family." George Lopez was a "Latino family." Until the 10th season of Friends, no black person had appeared on the show. Cheers and Frasier had no black cast members. Naturally, exceptions can be found; Roseanne had guests stars of different races. TV Networks know that Americans are uncomfortable with mixed race families and interracial friendships.

If you go to any inner city in America, it is fucked up. If you go to Africa it is fucked up. What's the common denominator, what drops out of the equation. It's sixth grade math.

It's sixth grade history. The common denominator is European conquest and colonization.

It's sixth grade history. The common denominator is European conquest and colonization.

#78 | Posted by KnowsTooMuch at 2008-10-08 09:28 AM | Reply

"History" being the key word. Get over yourself.

The remarkable inconsistency evidenced in denunciation of racism is humorous as it is so deliberately obtuse.

Black people support a candidate on the basis of racial identity.

Well, that's commendable and apologetics issue to declare the merit of such a position.

White people support a candidate on the basis of racial identity.

Why that's deplorable. Bad. Bad. Bad.

Come on now, "What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander." Why are some of you so exercised by white racism, while not only condoning but providing approbation for black racist expression?

Aha! Got it. Black racism operates in furtherance of your political aims and objectives. Ergo, it's good. White racism in this instance would introduce factors that would impede attainment of your political objectives. Therefore, it's bad.

You people aren't opposed to racism. You just use it as a tool to achieve political ends.

If you folks who palpably object to "racism" being introduced into a political campaign were sincere, you would have inveighed against the tacit racist tactics used by the Obama clique against the former First Lady, Ms Clinton, to thwart her effort to perpetuate the Clinton dynasty. Manifestations of racism, black racism, enabled Obama to secure the nomination. If a racist should be condemned and denied profit from use of race, then Obama should disappear from the scene because of the odium attached to his shameful racist tactics.

Tiny

Don't you have a cross burning waiting?

#79 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-10-08 09:43 AM

Sorry apologist, the reason so many black girls are getting knocked up by multiple men is because your culture is destructive. Why are black women getting HIV/Aids at such an overwhelming rate compared to anyone else? It's because your culture is fucked up.

That's got everything to do with being raised by the streets or grandma (as opposed to mom and dad) and nothing to do with whitey.

Another factor may be the transformation of our society into one requiring abilities that blacks were not able to acquire across the spectrum to the same extent statistically, as other groups. The negative effect of this lack of skill sets was compounded by the massive influx of illegal aliens, who were motivated to do work formerly available to unskilled and semi-skilled people. The result compounded the exclusion of blacks from viable employment opportunities that would have enabled them to retain a basis for family unity.

Stay out of prison, stay in school, and keep your dick in your pants and watch all of the wonderful things that happen. Or continue on the path you are and have people like me claim "I told you so".

If you are unable to learn, you designate the value of schooling as a "white value," foreign to and rejected by your subculture. You pretend to abjure education because you do not like it, and do not realistically ascribe its rejection to your inability to learn. Then adrift as to obtaining a legal means of support, you engage in criminal endeavors to obtain sustenance and are likely to do time.

As to the injunction, "... keep your dick in your pants ...," early promiscuity is a response to prevention of replication because of the barrier incarceration presents to reproduction. Seminal forces are at work which impel behavior that will provide for creation of future generations despite the societal impendiments imposed.

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Maybe you just can't help yourselves? Is that it? You are incapable of doing what civilized people do?

Concessions have been made in the form of so-called affirmative action to ease their functioning and integration of diverse elements in the society. And sexual congress will ultimately produce a society in which the drift toward speciation has ceased, and we all proceed to a normative standard rather than continue to diverge. We will no longer accentuate identified racial characteristics of any group, which may be deleterious to function in this society as their proliferation may be discouraged. Then again, as there is communal support, fecundity may be the controlling factor and the direction of the society may not be determinable as negative traits will not be discouraged by any eugenic imperatives.

sure it does

and did anyone hear cobra head carville last night

after the debate he said that if obama was ahead by 5 points and still lost that america was showing it to be racsist and all that.......of course he did it in his dumbass coonass way but none the less.....he is setting the whole thing up if obama loses.......that it was only because he is black and not because he is not ready and good for the country

Carville was right.

Heck, he's only won 2 presidential elections as a campaign manager and knows a hell of a lot more than you do

#82 | Posted by Corky at 2008-10-08 10:43 AM

Tiny

Don't you have a cross burning waiting?

www.drudge.com

I recognize that your "feelings" are important to you Corky, but why are you so reluctant to advise us as to what triggered them? Or is it totally an emotive process for you, not integrated with your cerebral function so that you are unable to specify what moves you by presenting a rational exposition?

To answer your inquiry, "No, I don't have a cross burning waiting." And you haven't presented any material that would suggest that there is any basis for you to harbor such a thought.

#86 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-10-08 11:29 AM

Carville was right.

Heck, he's only won 2 presidential elections as a campaign manager and knows a hell of a lot more than you do

Indeed, Carville may be correct. But the important conclusion would be that Obama lose regardless of the reason. Add a dash or racism, or whatever, to the mix so that Obama is prevented from being President.

So, it's "racism," so what? After all, racism made Obama the Democrat Party candidate that he is today. If not for racial identity voting, Ms Hillary would be the Democrat Party candidate. Why expunge racism as a factor in the political scene at this late date?

Try the link I provided, Tiny Grasshopper, and all your questions will be answered.

Carville was not on Hillary Clinton's campaign staff.

RCP Electoral Count 264 163 Obama +101

Just a little something to mull over with your morning coffee.

"After all, racism made Obama the Democrat Party candidate that he is today."

Which, of course, is why Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton were both the Democratic nominees.

"the Democrat Party"

Is there something in the water preventing Republicans from discerning nouns from adjectives? It seems they believe their stupidity is balanced by their pettiness.

JOHNSON

I know you're a racist right winger. Got it.

You type manifesto after manifesto (do you work?), yet you're completely willing to overlook the fact that Palin, who's questioning Obama's patriotism, is herself a secessionist. Her husband was a card carrying, registered member of the Alaskan Independence Party, who's founder blew himself up making bombs and is buried in Canada because his disdain of America was so great.

Gee, you right wingers are so hypocritical. Here's a VP candidate who was 'delighted' to welcome the secessionst AIP members to their convention, and yet calls Obama guilty by association with a man who he shared a board membership with in an organization founded and financed by a Republican former ambassador under Ronald Reagan. Half the board were Republicans too. You want to call their patriotism into question as well?

Didn't think so. OK, now write another manifesto no one will bother to read all the way through.

QUICK POLL: How many people have EVER read beyond the first paragraph in one of Thesaurus Boy's rants? GZLies dosn't get a vote.

Carville was right.

Heck, he's only won 2 presidential elections as a campaign manager and knows a hell of a lot more than you do

#84 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at

NO HE IS NOT RIGHT............it would mean that the polls such as the cnn poll WHO ALWAYS POLL MORE DEMS THAN REPUBLICANS would have been wrong

just like the ones who had GORE AHEAD AT THIS VERY TIME IN 2000 were wrong and changed...........

I have more faith in the american voter than you do I guess because I will NOT VOTE For obama and his skin has NOTHING to do with it as I early on advocted a condi rice run for the office........

and besides we should spend a lot more time talking about jim johnson who RECIEVED ALMOST TWO MILLION dollars from fannie mae in 1998 when they did some
"creative accounting" to justify that

and he was intrusted with picking the VP candidate

and frank rich SHOULD BE WEARING ORANGE JUMP SUITS AND talking football with OJ right now

and he is a leading barry hussein advisor.........

so race has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT...........at least in my vote...........

AND ONE MORE TIME>

major media who is in tank for obama TRIES TO PLAY THE RACE CARD>..........just like ALWAYS FROM THE LEFT................

and the comment about........"that one' or whatever

YET ANOTHER ATTEMPT AT RACE BAITING BY MEDIA

Here's what I've taken away from this thread:

Whites might have all the power, wealth, and opportunity in America, but at least blacks get most of the musical talent and athletic ability. Blacks should be thankful that they're not still swinging in the trees because they are totally incapable of controlling their urge to do drugs and have unprotected, underage sex. If only blacks had the intelligence and self-control of white people, everything would be fine.

Synopsis:
What blacks lack in education and success is compensated by stoopid-mad skillz at rappin' and b-ball (also called "hoopz" in the ghettos). I gots to go eat me some fried chicken and watamelon now, homies. Peace out...

Palin makes herself more irrelevant...

#5 | Posted by danni

danni knows all about the subject of being irrelevant!!

We now see Gov. Sarah Palin and the McCain campaign trying to stir the pot by invoking William Ayers, a 1960s radical who was a major figure in the Weather Underground, a group that bombed the Pentagon and committed other unspeakable acts of terrorism against their own country.

Palin has been hammering home the point on the campaign trail that Obama and Ayers were friends, "palling around" the Windy City, even though the Weather Underground committed these crimes when Obama was just a child. And never mind the fact that Ayers and Obama were involved in a multimillion-dollar education grant that was funded by a right-wing Republican, media magnate Walter Annenberg. Do you hear any of them castigating this late Republican pillar?

The McCain camp, along with their right-wing media comrades, want to convince you that Obama should not have decided to serve with Ayers, who was named the Citizen of the Year in Chicago in 1987 for his education work, and who is a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

Now, if someone was seen as an acceptable figure by business, political and education figures, many of whom support both Democrats and Republicans, should Obama be faulted for sitting on a board with the guy?
-Roland Martin

who was named the Citizen of the Year in Chicago in 1987

He should have been executed as a traitor. Amazing he is walking, let alone teaching students.