I guess they're going to open a Bagdad Fox Affiliate.

Calling Bagdad Bob!

You know what they say You gotta Catapult the propaganda. Bunch of shit if You ask Me. If this wasn't an Illegal endeavor and a rightious one You would not need propaganda. Bunch of God damned BULLSHIT is what it is.

Larry

That is still more than we are paying for the war in Afghanistan.

......no problem .......it's not our money anyways......

.....borrowed from China......

When national euphoria broke out last year after an Iraqi singer won a talent contest in Lebanon, the U.S. military considered producing an Iraqi version of "American Idol" to help build nonsectarian nationalism.

When national euphoria broke out last year after an Iraqi singer won a talent contest in Lebanon, the U.S. military considered producing an Iraqi version of "American Idol" to help build nonsectarian nationalism.

"US Will Spend $300 Million in Iraq for Positive Press"

Hell, Obama has spent 50% more than that.

"US Will Spend $300 Million in Iraq for Positive Press"

Hell, Obama has spent 50% more than that.

#7 | Posted by KBM at 2008-10-03 04:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

With the difference being that the money Obama spent was given to him by people who wanted it spent.

In the case of Bush/McCain, it's our tax dollars that are once again being raped so Bush's best friends can get a few more dollars squeezed out of the US taxpayer before Georgie-Poo leaves office.

YEAH!

I just heard Bush say he would make sure "our tax dollars aren't wasted"!

He also said he would create a "plan" for using the money we just handed over for the WH bail-out "plane"!!!

WTF!? Is this shit bag kidding?

Translation: $300 Million on war propaganda.

it's easily remedied for those who do not wish to contribute.

I believe this is a renewal of contracts - where did the "Good Press" stories go that we paid for for the last three years?

Oh, there weren't any.

Maybe if we lie long enough we can pretend we are successful and go home.

When we spend our money and busy our time trying to make another country's citizens be more like Americans we invariably become less American.

This is truly ironic, and since this money should be spent at home to convince the Democrats that the USA isn't the evil, terrorist nation, freeing nations of dictators for oil, but rather a nation sending billions to poorer nations, advising and promoting liberty and democracy around the world and a mutual defense of democracy against socialistic imperialism (as does Vietnam, China, Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, ad communistic nauseam), or fanatical religious theocracy; using human sacrifice.

Probably doesn't matter, though, and since the Iraqis actually have something to think well of the USA for doing, while Democrats can only think to blame Republicans for everything ... everything is Bush's and the neocon's fault to the Left, and the pretend patriot Republicans are the real traitors, not honest 5 year long demands for retreat from that awful civil war we started.

No, Democrats really hate the USA and have actually forced this crises over the last two years they've been in total control ... they can't be fooled with any sort of information which promotes the USA.

Democrats are the real patriots, in that regard, for promoting government takeover of our economic system, rather than wasting our time freeing nations from tyranny. We need to tax more to give to the poor, those which Democrats have institutionalized since Johnson's "Great Society" began. Now we provide them housing. We provide them free medical care via earmarks. We provide them sustenance. We, as Democrats, even invite illegal aliens to join the poor and use the benefits without being citizens or having to donate equally. After we run out of money, we Leftists tax some more to fix the economic sinkhole our welfare state without oversite has created, in the first place ...

I really don't know how anyone can claim to be a "Democrat" anymore! It is as difficult for me to understand as those Leftists and, or Democrats who still claim they are proud to be "liberals" or even "socialists"!?!

For blind stupidity after in going after the welfare/freebie "rabbit", the front runners of the field must always be the yellow-dog-democrats. They should carry signs:

Will Go Blind For Votes

Who are you going to vote for, tad?

You've written that McCain is a literal traitor, and Obama is a dem.

Barr? No vote? Just curious.

Hi Tad, sawatdee khrap!

BTW, Alex, I said that McCain was tortured into being a traitor, unlike the Democrats and the faithless Leftists who are traitors for votes, and not for being tortured.

McCain might have shown his weakness (while others similarly tortured did not confess), but every service person knows that McCain is still a hero for his 22 years of service.

Those same service persons know that Democrats who agitated for retreat and defeat did it for votes, and that those partisans are no such thing as patriots, much less heroes.

Sawadii Khun Nullifidian khap Pen yangai bang khap sabai dii ruu khap

Hmmm, so now that McCain is the only republican left in the race, he's no longer a "traitor" but a "hero" now.

What an amazing change of heart, tad. *snicker*

Khorp khun khrap. Phom sabai dee khrap. Leaw khun la khrap.

"Sawadii Khun Nullifidian khap Pen yangai bang khap sabai dii ruu khap"

3 years and 3 days, and---sans translation---that's the most coherent post I've ever seen from Tad.

$300 million?

You guys are still willing to throw money like that away?

Hell, I shouldn't complain... you are giving Pakistan $15 Billion (bill signed by Biden)... lol.. 300 million is chump change.

Khorp khun khrap. Phom sabai dee khrap. Leaw khun la khrap.

You guys do foreign languages too???

What a neat place!

Can I play too?

Can I, can I, can I? Huh huh?

Teri maa kay gaand may keera!

Only Klifferd will understand this.

Go ask him. lOL

Kilffy!

Don't tell 'em!

Any more requests?

I do requests too, you know.

Because I'm a nice guy.

Awww... you people are no fun. Fuck all of you.

Luv and kisses. Bye.

If you just do the right thing, this would not be necessary.

We are approaching barbarian behaviour levels.

"We are approaching barbarian behaviour levels."

We, on the other hand, have surpassed barbarian behavior levels.
~Blackwater

Fresno I think we passed that point of barbaric behavior long time ago don't You?? I mean the United States the Country that is SUPPOSED to be against Illegal Acts of Aggression and deamed those acts as Barbaric has perpetrated one Herself. The United States has lost their moral standing within the world community and have lost all rights to condemn others for the same offenses. We have so lost our collective way it's downright depressing.

Larry

"I mean the United States the Country that is SUPPOSED to be against Illegal Acts of Aggression and deamed those acts as Barbaric has perpetrated one Herself."

Right you are, Larry...and THESE are the A-holes who should be made to pay for it!

What is most amazing is that Americans have become such docile sheep that we don't even protest things like this any more. I guess if spending 700 billion bailing out billionaires to prevent martial law and a depression doesn't cause us to rise up nothing ever will.....well unless they took away most American's favorite TV shows.

Get Out of Iraq

You staged an invasion
Based on concocted information
That we had weapons of mass destruction
But our oil was your real intention

We were no threat to you
Our capabilities were primitive you knew
Your fabricated evidence just grew
And you just did what you had to do

You wanted to get rid of Saddam the bad leader
You said it will make our lives much better
We would never under a dictator suffer
We were fools to believe, you were clever

Saddam is now gone, never to return
Now you terrorize us in turn
Our people you kill, our houses you burn
You seek our gratitude, yet scorn you earn

You cobbled up a coalition of the willing
Of spineless nations to do your bidding
Now, one by one, even they are shirking
Cause the world opinion is now changing

Saddam catered to the elite, you did too
Saddam killed our people, you did too
Saddam tortured our people, you did too
Saddam brutalized the nation, you did too

We were not a democracy but were relatively free
We had jobs and an oil based economy
We had homes, children, spouses, family
We had laughter, sharing, caring, glee

Now we have a democratic government
Our jobs gone, oil yields nary a red cent
Homes bombed, children murdered, family in tent
Torture, sorrow, grief, anguish, lament

Akbar

THESE are the A-holes who should be made to pay for it!

Very cute.

Stop shifting blame.

It is America... all of you, who should pay for it. You all let it happen.

I can only imagine what the Iraqi think about the United bloody States of America.

I hope they will forgive you someday, but I hope they never forget the snakes you are.

Throw a few more billion dollars at Iraq for propaganda. Maybe they will forget faster? LOL

BULLSHIT Jestgettingalong. The Blame rests squarely with Dubya and those who continually support Him and the Illegal Iraq War. That would be YOU Jestgettingalong. That would be OohRah That would be JeffJ that would be BushLoverTwo. You all are responsible. You guys supported it and Dubya. Suck it up and accept responsibility.

Larry

I hear my name being called. What's up, LAR? I hadn't posted on this thread.

A quick reading of the subject - sounds like a good idea. Positive press goes a long way to shaping public opinion. Look at how it's helped Obama.

You were one of those here who supported the Illegal invasion of Iraq weren't You OohRah?? Seems to Me that put You in the list of people responsible for it. Oh and Propaganda would not be necessary if the war was rightious and just. So this is BULLSHIT of the highest order.

Larry

So it's that again?
It was illegal? Prove it. The "legality" was there, though retrospectively, the argument could be made the timing wasn't necessary.

Or another way of putting it, can you cite a "legal" war we've fought and what made it legal?

Vietnam? (North Korea didn't attack us)

Desert Storm? (Iraq didn't attack us)

WWII? (Germany didn't attack us)

Korea? (ditto)

And what about our involvement in Kosovo, with Noriega, Afghanistan, etc?

Meant North Vietnam, not N Korea.

"Vietnam? (North Korea didn't attack us)"

It's a little early to be hitting the sauce.

"It's a little early to be hitting the sauce." - ZAT

It's five o'clock somewhere...

So it's that again?
It was illegal? Prove it. The "legality" was there, though retrospectively, the argument could be made the timing wasn't necessary.

Or another way of putting it, can you cite a "legal" war we've fought and what made it legal?

Vietnam? (North Korea didn't attack us)

Desert Storm? (Iraq didn't attack us)

WWII? (Germany didn't attack us)

Korea? (ditto)

And what about our involvement in Kosovo, with Noriega, Afghanistan, etc?

#41 | Posted by OohRah at 2008-10-04 09:45 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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BULL Fucking shit. It was Illegal from the word Go. You on the right just don't have the fucking balls to admit to it. Please do try again OohRah.

Vietnam they were seaking help.

Desert storm was a UN Declared War so We HAD to go in honoring our treaty obligations.

Germany did too atttack us. They were attacking our shipping vessels in neutral territory. Oh and they Officially declared war upon us December the 11 1941. Nice revisionist history OohRah.

Korea was another UN Declared War which we had to involve ourselves with in honouring our treaty obligations with the UN

Larry

Kosovo was a NATO War. Not sure about noriega and Afghansitan.

As for Illegallity of the Iraq War. We agreeed to the terms of the WMD Sanctions. NONE of those Sanctions authorized the use of Military force needed with UN Charter 41 Our own AUMF Stated that Dubya was to defend the US and also to enfoce all relevant UN Resolutions. NONE of the relevant UN Resolutions gave automacy for the use of Military force with regards to Iraq. Therefore a Second UN Resolution was needed to make it LEGAL. So You see OohRah do You see how so very wrong You are???????

Larry

If the Afghanistan war You are talking about this one well that falls under the UN Charter article 51. Just an FYI

Larry

Cussing doesn't bolster your case, LAR. If it was illegal, prove it. Gather up your evidence and pursue the matter.

You seek to criminalize policy decisions - in this case a decision which carried lots of support on both sides of the aisle. You can argue Iraq may have been foolhardy, ill-planned, poorly executed at times, expensive, etc, etc, etc... but it was not illegal.

As to our involvement with the UN I wasn't under the impression that UN members were compelled, by treaty, to commit troops to a UN-passed resolution authorizing force. Are you sure? If so, why aren't all UN member nations required to commit troops?

Oh and for those who claim the AUMF that was passed on October 10 2002 Gave Dubya the authority to wage War. Why then in His Letter to congress that He was using the Authorization passed just scant Days after the WTC 9-11 disaster. He just shows from this letter that even He knew it was Illegal and did not grant Him the authority necessary if it did He would have used that in His letter to congress before He initiated Hostilities.

Larry

You seek to criminalize policy decisions - in this case a decision which carried lots of support on both sides of the aisle. You can argue Iraq may have been foolhardy, ill-planned, poorly executed at times, expensive, etc, etc, etc... but it was not illegal.

As to our involvement with the UN I wasn't under the impression that UN members were compelled, by treaty, to commit troops to a UN-passed resolution authorizing force. Are you sure? If so, why aren't all UN member nations required to commit troops?

#48 | Posted by OohRah at 2008-10-04 10:03 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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It most certainly was Illegal. None of the UN Resolutions gave automacy for the use of Military force. Each one of them has the phrase Decides to remain seized of the matter. Which means they hold the reins on the subject matter. There are only 2 UN Resolutions gave automacy for the use of force. UN Resolution 678 and 686. 678 allowed all member states the power to remove Saddam Hussein and His Military from Kuwait and that was it. No invasion of Iraq No invasion of Baghdad. Just the removal of Saddam Hussein and His Military from Kuwait. It was carried over in UN Resolution 686 which was the cease fire resolutions. It allowed for the Use of Military force in UN Resolution 678 Article 2. It was formally removed on April 03 1991 at Safwan Treaty and concurrently in UN Resolution 687 Articles 33 and 34 Respectively.

Your Country IS compelled to act when the UN Security Council Declares it and especially for a Founding member as the United States is. Why isn't every Country compelled to send troops because not every Country has those resources available.

Larry

None of the RELEVANT UN Resolutions gave automacy for the use of Military force.

Just to clarify your view, LAR, can the US enter a war without explicit UN "authority?"

Just to clarify your view, LAR, can the US enter a war without explicit UN "authority?"

#52 | Posted by OohRah at 2008-10-04 10:18 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Yep if My Country of Kansas Bombs Your Country of North Carolina(I Believe that is right) and You go to War against Me. You don't need the permission of the UN Security Council because that falls under UN Charter Article 51 on Self Defense. Then You can tell Your Military Let the bombs rain on Me.

Larry

LAR-
Surely you're not the only one perceptive enough to see the war as illegal. It's been roughly 6 years, including the past couple with Dems running Congress. Have there been war trials to try W in absentia? If not, why? If Bush is as hated as you think he is, wouldn't it be relatively easy to gin up both the evidence and public support to purge this evil?

Virtually NO pol in either party has made the case it's illegal. They'll say Dubya lied, misled, etc... and go on about how it's weakened our world standing, etc. But those issues are separate from arguing the legality issue, no?

You will not see anything come from the Congress because they themselves don't want to admit and can not admit the United States has engaged in Illegal Behavior. Then they would have to do some real House Cleaning and they don't want that. They would prefer it be seen on the up and up when they know it's not. Sorry You can't grasp the truth though OohRah.

Larry

Oh Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul are the ONLY ones who have the guts and balls to admit to the truth. But people like You OohRah and lots of Democrats and Republicans call them nuts because they don't look after the welfare of AMerica like these two have done.

Larry

LAR-

Yes, it's North Carolina.

You're still bringing the UN into it ("... falls under UN Charter Article 51 on Self Defense")

Can we go into Pakistan if we think OBL is there?

Can we go into Iran to prevent them from further developing nukes - particularly in light of their avowed desire to wipe Israel off the map... and their view of us as the great Satan?

(1)Can we go into Pakistan if we think OBL is there?

(2)Can we go into Iran to prevent them from further developing nukes - particularly in light of their avowed desire to wipe Israel off the map... and their view of us as the great Satan?

#57 | Posted by OohRah at 2008-10-04 10:30 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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1 Yes

2 Depends on the wording on the UN Resolutions and Sanctions against Iran. Doubtful however.

Larry

You want to act Roguly OohRah then insit the United States get out of the UN. But I warn You we will need the UN More than the UN Will need us. Guaranteed. Our collective arrogance has seen to that.

Larry

"Oh Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul are the ONLY ones who have the guts and balls to admit to the truth." - LAR

Sounds like you're reliving our debate on the Marine's case against Murtha from last week. The US operates within a legal system. You appear to want to exist in a parallel legal universe which supports your worldview.

I've granted you the war can be debated on multiple levels. However, the legal issue (innocent till proven guilty) applies to this administration just like it does to anyone. Or should the admin be frog-marched off to new roommates named Bubba, Crusher and Blade?

"1)Can we go into Pakistan if we think OBL is there?
Yes" - LAR

So we can "legally" unilaterally invade a sovereign nation because our intelligence says OBL is there? And you'd be fine with that?

Sounds like you're reliving our debate on the Marine's case against Murtha from last week. The US operates within a legal system. You appear to want to exist in a parallel legal universe which supports your worldview.

I've granted you the war can be debated on multiple levels. However, the legal issue (innocent till proven guilty) applies to this administration just like it does to anyone. Or should the admin be frog-marched off to new roommates named Bubba, Crusher and Blade?

#60 | Posted by OohRah at 2008-10-04 10:38 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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NOT when they act contrary to the Law. Just because I go and blow Joe Blow away and never am charged for it does not mean I am innocent.

As far as Dubya being Innocent until proven guilty the Guilt is there in the paperwoirk. You don't need anything else. Common sense is all You need.

Larry

"You want to act Roguly OohRah then insit the United States get out of the UN." - LAR

I said nothing about insisting we drop from the UN.

My question remains - are we free to act in our nation's interest apart from "authorization" from the UN? Yes or no?

What is your view? Yes or no?

So we can "legally" unilaterally invade a sovereign nation because our intelligence says OBL is there? And you'd be fine with that?

#61 | Posted by OohRah at 2008-10-04 10:42 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Yes because they harbor guys who (If You want to believe the official report ) attacked the United States. It's still self defense becaquse those who aid and abet people that have attacked the United States they are just as guilty.

Larry

My question remains - are we free to act in our nation's interest apart from "authorization" from the UN? Yes or no?

What is your view? Yes or no?

#63 | Posted by OohRah at 2008-10-04 10:45 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Yes for self defense agianst those who have attacked us and that is the ONLY time other than to help an ally.

Larry

"Common sense is all You need." - LAR

Wow.

WOW what. It's the truth. All You need is a basic understanding on what words mean if You have trouble there is the dictionary. Read the UN Resolutions READ them and then tell Me I am full of shit.

Larry

"Yes for self defense agianst those who have attacked us and that is the ONLY time other than to help an ally." - LAR

So if Saddam's opposition within Iraq asks for our help, what do you tell them?

When people in Iran, Darfur, Kosovo, etc, ask for our help, what do we tell them?

So if Saddam's opposition within Iraq asks for our help, what do you tell them?

When people in Iran, Darfur, Kosovo, etc, ask for our help, what do we tell them?

#68 | Posted by OohRah at 2008-10-04 10:49 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Go to the UN and get it done legally NO PROBLEM then. We want to tell the world how to run their lives we need to abide by the rules we agree to when we sign these treaties. You OohRah obviously do not believe in honouring Your Country's agreements.

"Yes because they harbor guys who (If You want to believe the official report ) attacked the United States. It's still self defense becaquse those who aid and abet people that have attacked the United States they are just as guilty." - LAR

So decisions to invade are based in large part on our intelligence reports? And our "belief" of them?

And Saddam had nothing to do with aiding and abetting terrorism? The attackers came from other nations but Saddam supported terrorism and multiple intelligence agencies believed him on the path to WMDs. Heck, in the very early days of our invasion the Iraq military leaders were waiting for Saddam's word to use the weapons on our troops. His army even thought they had 'em.

so, Larry...

You think you should come into Pakistan if you think O'Binbin is here?

What if you come in... kill a whole bunch of nice folk... and then it turns out he never was here?

US intel... as usual... lied.

What then?

See. You are no different.

So decisions to invade are based in large part on our intelligence reports? And our "belief" of them?

And Saddam had nothing to do with aiding and abetting terrorism? The attackers came from other nations but Saddam supported terrorism and multiple intelligence agencies believed him on the path to WMDs. Heck, in the very early days of our invasion the Iraq military leaders were waiting for Saddam's word to use the weapons on our troops. His army even thought they had 'em.

#70 | Posted by OohRah at 2008-10-04 10:55 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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It doesn't matter if Saddam Hussein supported terrorism or not. He didn't support al qaeda nor the Taliban nor did He support the ones who attacked the United States and that is what is the crux of the whole shebang. As far as the WMD it wasn't Our place to decide to invade. We agreed to the terms of the WMD Sanctions. We agreed by Our signature that the decision to invade rested solely with the UN Security Council.

You have to have concrete proof before You go in before You can invade. Since the Taliban and Al Qaeda have been crossing the border into Pakistan with verifiable proof there is no belief there. IT's EYE WITNESSED.

Larry

"Go to the UN and get it done legally NO PROBLEM then." - LAR

But what if the UN won't make it "legal?" Are you saying we shouldn't and can't move in? Are you subordinating our views to those of the UN?

So if, say, Israel is getting hammered (and the UN won't pass a resolution due to Russia's veto) are we do do nothing?

What about the proxy wars we had with the USSR?

Or what would you have done with the Cuban missle crisis? Wait for the UN? Or invade? Neither choice is pleasant.

As an Asian who.. thank God... isn't an American, I only understand one thing.

And that is Americans enjoy all wars as long as they feel they are winning.

But when the body-bags start piling up... public opinion changes and turns into a blame game.

"I didn't vote for Bush!" or "The Repubs are to blame!" or "I feel bad!".

Yeah yeah yeah...

You think you should come into Pakistan if you think O'Binbin is here?

What if you come in... kill a whole bunch of nice folk... and then it turns out he never was here?

US intel... as usual... lied.

What then?

See. You are no different.

#71 | Posted by Tosser at 2008-10-04 10:59 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Has the Taliban/Al Qaeda gone into Pakistan?? How is that being no different??

IT's EYE WITNESSED.

Osama has never been seem in Pakistan, smarty.

Mushi was the one who said he might be here. He said it to get $11 Billion out of your ass.

Now Mushi is gone.

1)But what if the UN won't make it "legal?" Are you saying we shouldn't and can't move in? Are you subordinating our views to those of the UN?

20So if, say, Israel is getting hammered (and the UN won't pass a resolution due to Russia's veto) are we do do nothing?

3)What about the proxy wars we had with the USSR?

4)Or what would you have done with the Cuban missle crisis? Wait for the UN? Or invade? Neither choice is pleasant.

#73 | Posted by OohRah at 2008-10-04 11:03 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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1 Sorry You can go into their Countries but You should be willing to pay the Legal price for said endeavours.

2 No need for UN Resolution Israel is an ally of ours. Falls under Article 51 of the UN Charter.

3. No Opinion

4. It should have went before the UN Security Council but it didn't.

Larry

LAR-
TOSSER beat me to it. Our diving into Pakistan or wherever we feel al-q leaders might be hiding will leave a mess... not only in terms of dead civilians, but in creating some major headaches for that nation's government.

Terrorism vs a nation's army... makes for a new dynamic in fighting wars. It's relatively easy to wipe out a nation's army (Iraq) but terrorism must be fought on multiple levels - diplomatic, technological, military, public relations (the subject of this thread) etc.

"I didn't vote for Bush!" or "The Repubs are to blame!" or "I feel bad!".

Yeah yeah yeah...

#74 | Posted by Tosser at 2008-10-04 11:03 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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I never supported the Iraq War NEVER. You can go as far back as the very begining of My time here in 2004 and the folks there then can tell You the same thing. I think I drove RCADE fucking nuts being here then as well as now.

Larry

TOSSER beat me to it. Our diving into Pakistan or wherever we feel al-q leaders might be hiding will leave a mess... not only in terms of dead civilians, but in creating some major headaches for that nation's government.

Terrorism vs a nation's army... makes for a new dynamic in fighting wars. It's relatively easy to wipe out a nation's army (Iraq) but terrorism must be fought on multiple levels - diplomatic, technological, military, public relations (the subject of this thread) etc.

#78 | Posted by OohRah at 2008-10-04 11:09 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Sorry but we need to act legally when we undertake these missions. If We don't then we lose all moral high ground and any justification to condemn anyone else. But we all know what the real reason is for 9-11 (Which I still believe to be an inside job) was to facilitae the Coming (As of then) resource wars. That is the ONLY Reason for the Global War on Terror.

Larry

I never supported the Iraq War NEVER.

And yet, you support Americans coming inside Pakistan to kill everyone.

Rest assured, when the body bags start coming back home, your opinion will change too.

Understand one thing. You had your chance to catch the bastard and you blew it.

Why should you get another chance at Pakistan's expense???

It isn't going to happen, so all of you can lose the hard-ons.

"Has the Taliban/Al Qaeda gone into Pakistan?? How is that being no different??" - LAR

So I understand you... you're interested in more than simply nabbing OBL, but you want to get Al Qaeda?

Wouldn't that mean engaging them in multiple countries? Surely Al Qaeda exists in more than the mountains of Afghanistan & Pakistan.

Technically, those who attacked us died in the planes. So if it was simply getting those responsible for the deed, they're already doing their virgins. Too late.

So it sounds to me, LAR (and correct me where I'm wrong) that you'd support going after those who didn't directly attack us - perhaps those who helped mastermind the plot, those who trained them, those who helped finance them, perhaps even nations who offered safe haven for any of the above?

Understand one more thing.

America is very close to declaring war on the Pathan people. Or they are close to declare war on you.

You are no longer fighting the Taliban. You are no longer fighting Al-Qaeda.

Your little war has slipped down the slope and you are close to war with the Pathan people.

It is the largest tribe on the planet. 10 million Pathans in Afghanistan and 25-30 million in Pakistan.

And they are all armed. And they have never recognized the Pak-Afghan border (Durrand Line).

God help you.

Technically, those who attacked us died in the planes. So if it was simply getting those responsible for the deed, they're already doing their virgins. Too late.

So it sounds to me, LAR (and correct me where I'm wrong) that you'd support going after those who didn't directly attack us - perhaps those who helped mastermind the plot, those who trained them, those who helped finance them, perhaps even nations who offered safe haven for any of the above?

#82 | Posted by OohRah at 2008-10-04 11:17 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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WRONG on technically those responsible have died. If they belong to a terrorist organization then aren't the rest responsible?? They sure are so You see it's going after the ones who attacked the United States too.

America is very close to declaring war on the Pathan people. Or they are close to declare war on you.

You are no longer fighting the Taliban. You are no longer fighting Al-Qaeda.

Your little war has slipped down the slope and you are close to war with the Pathan people.

It is the largest tribe on the planet. 10 million Pathans in Afghanistan and 25-30 million in Pakistan.

And they are all armed. And they have never recognized the Pak-Afghan border (Durrand Line).

God help you.

#83 | Posted by Tosser at 2008-10-04 11:20 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Link Me to this PLEASE

For Americans who do not understand who the Pathans (Pashtuns) are, see this intro:

"WRONG on technically those responsible have died. If they belong to a terrorist organization then aren't the rest responsible?? They sure are so You see it's going after the ones who attacked the United States too." - LAR

Do you realize you have just adopted the Bush Doctrine? Or at least one of them. Charlie Gibson can probably straighten it out.

So you didn't support the Iraq War, but you do support going into nations to hunt down al qaeda? Is that right?

Link Me to this PLEASE

Go read my crap and fish out the YouTube link yourself.

It was more than a month ago (I think) when I posted a YouTube link of what ordinary Afghans think of the US.

Do your own research. I live here and don't need to look up "links" like some kid who wet his nappy.

TOSS-
In your view, assuming OBL is in Pakistan, what is the best way to capture/kill him? Seems like the politics over there is awfully dicey right now.

Do you realize you have just adopted the Bush Doctrine? Or at least one of them. Charlie Gibson can probably straighten it out.

So you didn't support the Iraq War, but you do support going into nations to hunt down al qaeda? Is that right?

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You obviously do not understand what the Bush Doctrine is do You OohRah. It is to attack Countries before they have attacked You. AL Qaeda and the Taliban have already attacked us. No Bush DOctrine to be found in that now is there??

Larry

AL Qaeda and the Taliban have already attacked us.

1. Taliban never attacked you. Al-Qaeda did.

2. Pakistan never attacked you. Saudi Arabia did (15 Saudi citizens).

Your people couldn't do shit to the Saudis. Instead they gave the Bin Ladin family leave the US with questioning.

Keep your dick in your pants.

1. Taliban never attacked you. Al-Qaeda did.

2. Pakistan never attacked you. Saudi Arabia did (15 Saudi citizens).

Your people couldn't do shit to the Saudis. Instead they gave the Bin Ladin family leave the US with questioning.

Keep your dick in your pants.

#91 | Posted by Tosser at 2008-10-04 11:46 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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1 The Taliban were supporters of Al Qaeda were they not??

2 If Pakistan does not do everything in their power to remove AL Qaeda/Taliban and their leaders it is the same as if they attacked the United States. It's called aiding and abetting. And I agree the Saudi Government is responsible too. THAT we agree upon Tosser.

Larry

In your view, assuming OBL is in Pakistan, what is the best way to capture/kill him? Seems like the politics over there is awfully dicey right now.

Pakistan's politics will ALWAYS be dicey. You are just noticing it. LOL

I have seen far worse, not to worry.

And you want the Pathans in the tribal areas to behave? To give up Bin Ladin (if he is here... which I doubt).

What happened to that plan? The plan that gives free US market access to goods made in the tribal areas?

Dubya and Mushi thought up this plan together.

The US sez it is committed to this plan.

But the US delays.

This plan is the only thing that will work.

This is the only way for the US to prove to the tribals and the Pathans that you are their friends.

Right now, they just don't believe it.

Laters I have a hot date with a 78 Year old hot babe.

Larry

If Pakistan does not do everything in their power to remove AL Qaeda/Taliban and their leaders it is the same as if they attacked the United States.

And why should we do your dirty work for you?

You couldn't clean up Afghanistan... not our problem.

Since the last few months, Pakistan is engaged in heavy anti-taliban operations in "Swat" (look it up) and "Bajaur" (look it up).

These are where the anti-Pakistan Taliban are. We have almost finished them up.

These are Pakistan's concern.

The Taliban who piss in Afghanistan, are not our concern.

Laters I have a hot date with a 78 Year old hot babe.

WTF???

Did he just say he was going to tattle to his mommy?

I didn't push him THAT hard...

It's called aiding and abetting.

Pakistan can "aid and abet".

You still can't do shit to us.

We go by different rules. Your Obama and Biden just gave us $15 Billion. Get used to it.

Welcome to the real world.

And btw... where is Osama?

I will tell you where he is.

He is where all criminals go.

You make your way down the coast to Makran. There you take a fishing boat (also used for illegal smuggling from Dubai) to Dubai or Oman and be there in 24 to 48 hours.

Then you drive in a rented car to Saudi.

And then you live with the Bin Ladin family... with your mom. It is already known, the US can not touch the Bin Ladin family. They give them tickets home. LOL

Do the Americans know there is a good chance he is with his mom?

I am sure they do.

But they pretend otherwise. To save face.

It is already known, the US can not touch the Bin Ladin family.

More Lies, we al know what Georgie promised!

Where are those WMD's???

LARRY-
You're sounding more and more like a Neocon. Invade sovereign countries who didn't attack us... if you're not with us you're against us.

"intelligence" tells us OBL is hiding in a cave. How are you any different from that which you condemn? Particularly since you think 9/11 was an inside job and, therefore, OBL really wasn't to blame.

Two days ago, I told Larry he was smart.

I take that back. He is one confused person.

TOSS-
Just a minor clarification... when I spoke of the dicey political situation, I was referencing the most recent developments. I am aware, or as aware as most plugged in political hacks, that the Pakistan political situation is rarely what we'd call stable, in US terms.

Thanks for you input. I think, for most nations, the solution to mitigating terrorism involves diplomacy - working behind the scenes with governments to cooperate. Problem is, many nations have corrupted governments, or at least governments who tread lightly in terms of busting heads of terrorists.

I was referencing the most recent developments.

It's stable.

Of course, if American troops cross the border, and President Zardari doesn't order a counter-attack immediatly some patriot will kill the idiot, just like some patriot killed his slut of a wife (he probably killed her actually).

The next person in charge will be a real hot-head.

who tread lightly in terms of busting heads of terrorists.

Lightly?

I asked, look up "Swat" and look up "Bajaur".

Lightly???

LOL

We are all set to free Bajaur in 2 months. We have freed Darra Adam-khel from them already (look it up). We kill 100 taliban per op (look it up). NATO can only achieve 30 kills at best.

Lightly?

Don't be fooled by a bomb of two going off in Pakistan. It takes only a handful of people to do that.

America however is talking rubbish about some people coming over into Afghanistan from Pakistan and killing NATO and American soldiers...

Well, those are not "taliban".... unless "taliban" now means "ordinary Pathan or Afghan who hate the US". LOL

If you are so bloody concerned about "taliban" crossing over into Afghanistan... stand on the border and deal with them as the come across.

If you don't have the men for the job, then GET the men. I am sure you can manage against a few hundred (no they are not in the thousands) "taliban" coming from Pakistan.

Or is NATO so incompetent?

Maybe they are... European pussies. LOL "You forgot Poland!"

Problem is, many nations have corrupted governments,

The only nation that has a corrupt Govt. is the US.

We have been asking for advanced night-vision equipment for the last 4 years.

America agrees... yes yes yes... but then never delivers.

We have been asking for extra Cobra gunships since last 4 years.

They are being only now. What was Dubya doing since the last 4 years? Standing in a corner with his thumb up his ass?

The Cobras we have were to get a C-NITE upgrade. That would enable them to fire Hellfire missiles.

Well fuck... where are our upgrades?

I think it is a mistake buying American equipment.

Deliveries are made years late.

In 4 years, the "taliban" are stronger than NATO.

4 years is a long time to drag your feet.

America wants itself to fail, then it blames others.

I suspect someone from the US Govt. is skimming the money for our upgrades.

The American Govt. is corrupt (everyone agrees.. specially Americans themselves)... I bet the new people coming will be even worse.

Maa-Tosser chip hai ruu maa suub burii phom

Nullifidian phom sabai dii maag thidiaw khap

I enjoy the Leftist burkes who dig up/count America dead as they sneak up their own close, in order to vilify those same examples of US determination to fight terrorism and defend democracy! They pretend they are "patriotic" by wanting to end any death of a soldier, but then turn around and call them torturers, murderers, war criminals, if they aren't calling them too dumb for "real" life.

You are a real brick, for sure, and positively thick as ...

Indeed, the radical creeps whine about the "real" reason for going to war being "Oil Greed", but when that independent nation (not under US "Oil" hegemony) decides to sell the oil elsewhere?

Of course, the two-faced hypocrites whine and moan in their own greed to have the oil, and that Bush is somehow evil for "allowing" and independent nation to make its own decisions about their own oil!

Thick as a brick just doesn't do justice to the reality!

Pai chak wao, Tosser.

I can do languages too, Bhain-chod.

Tadpole! Now I remember you!

Kutay ki aulad.

Mather-chod, haram-zaday. LOL

I enjoy the Leftist

Tadpole.. andhay.. mai leftist kubsay ho gaya??? Mai to Amreekan hi nai hoon!

(Tadpole... blind idiot... since when have I become "leftist"? I am not even American!)

Yay acha khel hai!

(Nice game, this is!)

Klifferd must be laughing his ass off....

Gandu... doosri zaban mat bolnay ki koshish karo jubtak poori nahi bol sako.

(Asshole... second language, don't try and talk in, unless you are fluent in all of it.)

Americans are lousy with Asian languages.

Go learn some European language... like shitty French... to impress the girls. Those will be much easier to learn for you.

"Nullifidian phom sabai dii maag thidiaw khap"

Phom mai kao jai "thidiaw" khrap.

Could be a transliteration difference.

You're sounding more and more like a Neocon. Invade sovereign countries who didn't attack us... if you're not with us you're against us.

Regarding the Bush Doctrine, take a few minutes to educate yourself:
en.wikipedia.org

It has a variety of meanings. So you, as well as Sarah Palin, are rightfully not bound to one specific definition. Nor am I. I chose one. You chose another.

In light of that, will you continue to fault Palin for her answer?

And, more important, do you now see that you and Dubya are on the same page in terms of wanting to root out al-q wherever it leads us?

I mean, you're seemingly perfectly willing to invade, yes invade, Pakistan because "intelligence" tells us OBL is hiding in a cave. How are you any different from that which you condemn? Particularly since you think 9/11 was an inside job and, therefore, OBL really wasn't to blame.

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Dude You don't fucking get it do You. When a group attacks the United States and then goes into a Country and that Country either fail to clean up their shit IE Remove the Terrorist group from their Country or gives aid and comfort to them they automatically become just as guilty and must be declared a participant to the terrorist act. Now OohRah I beg You please get a clue on what the Bush Doctrine is. It is the Pre emptive strike doctrine. It has only one meaning. PERIOD. I went to Your link but they added meanings to what the Bush DOctrine was after the fact. Yopu bcan not do sop. You can not add meanings to a doctrine when You set out the Doctrine. Oh and rooting out Al Qaeda. They weren't in Iraq before we invaded so You can not use that excuse to justify the Illegal Invasion of Iraq. No matter how hard You try. Nice try however.

Larry

they automatically become just as guilty

The thing to consider is... in Pakistan's case, what can you do about it?

Not much of anything, except fire potshots at empty houses, after which we tell you "10 kids died, boohoo". LOL

You can't invade Pakistan.

Might as well shut up and take whatever we see fit to do for you.

Beggars can't be choosers, you know.

If Osama is ever spotted in Pakistan (hasn't ever been.. I am just saying)... WHAT can you do?

Rush in? Like some Hollywood movie? hahahahahahahahahaa

I don't think you realize it, but you have already lost in Afghanistan.

I have seen it all before.

The Afghans showed the exact same signs they are showing now about 2 years before the Soviets were defeated there.

Assuming you are better than the Russians (you are not)... you have 3 or 4 years in Afghanistan at the most. Then bye bye.

The Russians had solid supply lines and unlimited supplies. The Soviet Union was across the Afghan border!

You have everything coming in from Pakistan.

You are screwed.

What I say, might hurt a few American egos.

OK.. don't believe me.

You will see for yourself.

The Russians had solid supply lines and unlimited supplies. The Soviet Union was across the Afghan border!
You have everything coming in from Pakistan.
You are screwed.

#121 TOSSER

This is true but only because we won't act as the Russians would if the situation was reversed. If we did Your hair would be on fire, literally.

The whole point is... in case it isn't obvious to thick American bricks... Pakistan is wise enough to sit on the fence and then pick the winning side.

America isn't the winning side.

American foreign policy in recent years has ALWAYS been on the losing side. You just have to touch something and it turns into mud.

Tosser I know we are screwed. He was arguing that the Iraq War is just like invading Pakistan and Afghanistan. Which it isn't. I believe OohRah deep down knows this but can not admit it. I know that the whole thing was a set up for Dubya to declare the need for the War in Afghanistan and to gain access to that Pipeline from the caspian basin. I know in My heart of hearts 9-11 was Dubya's Reichstag Fire. I also believe that the whole thing was planned out in Houston Texas back in 1998/7?? to facilitatyye the Pearl Harbor like event to rally Americans into going along with their BULLSHIT Global War on Terror. BOTH Iraq and Afghanistan are resourse wars. That is the cvrux of the whole shebang. Why do You think Karzai wound up President. Unocal Manager Former or other wise.

Larry

If we did Your hair would be on fire, literally.

So would be yours. LOL

Even if you don't believe we can target any point in the US (we have the technology but have not deployed it), we CAN.. RIGHT NOW... target Israel. And Israel is "one nuke wide".

Now we all know, America takes it's orders from Israel.

So thanks, but nobody's hair is getting on fire.

we won't act as the Russians would

Son, do you know the Russians almost nuked Pakistan, more than once?

Didn't stop us from screwing them, did it?

"It has only one meaning. PERIOD." - LAR
Not a need to cuss, LAR. Not with me, anyway.

No, it doesn't. I've linked the various definitions to you. They've been kicked around in the press for several years.

Or is this another case of "Larry Knows Best" despite reality? First the legal system, then 9/11, now this? You're straining credibilty, my friend.

Please, for your own sake, take time to look at the various "Bush Doctrines" as have been articulated over the past years.

Semantics aside, you are clearly suggesting we can invade a soveriegn nation (Pakistan) which didn't attack us, but one which we "think" houses OBL based on our best intelligence.

Yes or no?

Yes or no?

Sure sounded like a yes to me.

Semantics aside, you are clearly suggesting we can invade a soveriegn nation (Pakistan) which didn't attack us, but one which we "think" houses OBL based on our best intelligence.

Yes or no?

#128 | Posted by OohRah at 2008-10-04 05:29 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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If they do not do everything in their power to remove Al Qaeda/Taliban from Pakistan and those that lead them then Yes they have attacked us because they have become an aider and abetter to those who did. If You go and kill someone and I harbor You from Justice then I am just as guilty of Murder as You the Initial Killer are OohRah. It's not semantics.

Larry

Didn't stop us from screwing them, did it?

LOL Pakistan is a little annoyance at the heels of the big dogs.

"...You can not add meanings to a doctrine when You set out the Doctrine..." - LAR

The "Doctrine" you allude to was coined by the press, not Dubya. And, just as you're quick to point out, the goal posts changed as to the rationale for entering Iraq... and also the meaning of the "Doctrine."

Face it, LAR. You've become one of us . But don't worry... toss an extra five in the collection plate and yell at some brown people and you'll be forgiven. ;^)

Larry... you just don't get it.

You are no longer fighting the Taliban.

We are protecting ordinary Afghans and Pathans. They hate America perhaps... but that is because you have killed too many of their people. And they have the right to attack you in Afghanistan because it is their country, not yours.

In your fever, you see them as Taliban... and you want to attack Pakistan.... that makes you a disingenuous moron.

Anyway, if you are hoping that Obama will invade Pakistan.... then I guess Obama and Biden shouldn't have signed off on the bill that gives $15 Billion to Pakistan, huh? hahahahahaha

Pakistan is a little annoyance at the heels of the big dogs.

This "annoyance" seems to be on the minds of both candidates and their puppies. LOL

We are the flea that keeps biting. The only way to stop us is to hit your own head with a hammer.

No OohRah You need to be intellectually Honest. The Very meaning the true meaning to the Bush Doctrine is Preemption. I do not support this. Do You not graswp this yet. Or are You going to be3 intellectually dishonest and place a position upon Me that I do not supoport(Now I really feel for JeffJ I see how He feels) Oh and nice Racist comment OohRah. Face it, LAR. You've become one of us . But don't worry... toss an extra five in the collection plate and yell at some brown people and you'll be forgiven. ;^)

#132 | Posted by OohRah at 2008-10-04 05:36 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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You are fucking disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!

Larry

Laters You disgust Me OohRah. I never pictured You racist.

Larry

"If You go and kill someone and I harbor You from Justice then I am just as guilty of Murder as You the Initial Killer are OohRah. It's not semantics." - LAR

OK, well Pakistan has been warned. What if our "intelligence" says he's hanging out in, say, Russia? Or Iran? Do we go in guns a-blazing?

After you've addressed that thought, what if we move past OBL, who might be dead or incapacitated anyway. If we detect al-q cells in, say, France... and we don't think France is doing "enough" to root them out... can we enter France to extinguish their candle?

Where do you draw the line, LAR? Or is there really no line since we've been attacked?

Again, you've become one of us . (DETHSPUD, you've created a monster with these italics!)

You are fucking disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, you are disgusting.

You want to attack "brown people" because.. like an idiot.. you believe in American "intelligence" (something that is always wrong).

Your trust and faith in your Govt. is.... touching.

"Laters You disgust Me OohRah. I never pictured You racist." - LAR

I'm highlighting absurdity by being absurd, LAR. You've become one of us. Welcome to the club. What sized sheet do you take?

We are the flea that keeps biting. The only way to stop us is to hit your own head with a hammer.

A hammer to the head? As usual you trip on Your ego. Scratching ones ass fits more aptly.

If we go after the ones who attacked us how can it be anything other than Self Defense. It's not Pre emptive striking the TRUE Meaning of the Bush Doctrine no matter how much You want to change the goal posts on it OohRah. But You won't admit to that fact I wonder why. Can You not be the least bit Intellectually Honest with this?????????

Larry

OK, well Pakistan has been warned.

Did you hear that Larry? Pakistan has been warned.

And we ignore the warning since we know it doesn't mean squat.

So there.

Sign up mister and come and try and kill a few "brown people".

Scratching ones ass fits more aptly.

Who sez we are on your ass? That was 50 years ago.

Now we keep moving.

$15 Billion, buddy.

That is one hell of a flea.

Like I said laters.

"Can You not be the least bit Intellectually Honest with this - LAR

After years of hearing neoconservatives laugh at the concept of national sovereignty when it comes to the practice of war it's a bit disconcerting to know they now found Jesus.

"After years of hearing neoconservatives laugh at the concept of national sovereignty when it comes to the practice of war it's a bit disconcerting to know they now found Jesus." - ZED

If you're referring to me I was asking LARRYMOHR a long series of questions to clarify his position regarding what we can/should do to combat terrorism. I didn't articulate my position. And LARRY apparently is fine with our "intelligence" taking us into Pakistan. Better ask him about that.

For the record, I would be opposed to invading Pakistan to get OBL. I would look for other, perhaps shady, ways to off the guy.

I would look for other, perhaps shady, ways to off the guy.

If it is one guy you want... and if he is in Pakistan... you can have his water supply poisoned or something. Any 12 year old using certain internet forums can come up with the poisons. LOL

No need to be a hero and have a rehash of the Gunfight at OK Corral.

But I am pretty sure he is with his mom in Saudi.

How do I know?

Because that is what I would do. I would know there was heat coming down... so I would make my way to the coast, get on a fishing boat, pay them 3 times the money they are usually paid and be in Saudi in 48 hours. And nobody would ever know.

Many many criminals have done EXACTLY that. And they are never caught. Once you are on that boat, you are free.

Remember the "fact" that OBL is in Pakistan... that rubbish actually came from Mushi.

He got $11 Billion out of America with that nonsense.

Tiidiaw or thiidiaw is an idiom for "right now" or "this moment".

I'm amazed at the "power" foreign agents like to ascribe to "brown people", as if everyone wasn't some shade of that skin color. Like "brown people" deserve some redistribution of Western wealth because they want to follow their interest in "art", or some other arcane reasoning.

The facts are that the "brown people" attacked us with multiple aerial bombs and killed thousands of people on the bloody altar they erected to advance their world wide control (Jihad) for their prophet Mohammed, and their diety, Allah.

These "brown people" want to enforce their laws on all the world - every man will have a circumcision, every woman will cover their sexuality, every left hand will be removed for thievery (even of a loaf of bread), stoning will be commonplace and when conducted by a male will be legal ... among a myriad of other insane, neolithic, cavemental rules against any of mankind that dares to worship or believe differently.

That is who the Leftists of the world want - Islamic rule under Islamic law. But, only for the USA who is to blame because their nations sell oil to the rest of the world, and the USA is the biggest customer.

KILL THE EVIL CUSTOMER FOR ALLAH! ALONG WITH ALL THE BABY EATING JEWS

That's what self-abusing idiots want, the idiotic Leftist creeps.

If not, then why do the thick-as-brick alien agents promote them as some sort of social entity to acknowledge and accommodate? How many human sacrifices on their bloody altar to their terrorist sponsoring God must we bear before stopping their neolithic religious bigotry and fascistic urge to control all of mankind?

Scum tossers, whoever they happen to be - self-flagellating kite flyers and Leftist vermin squirming to revile the most free and democratic nation on Earth ...

Nobody... I mean NOBODY has seen OBL inside Pakistan. All these years and nobody can produce a single credible eye-witness.

every man will have a circumcision

Aren't most Americans circumcised already, Tadpole?

What is wrong with that? It lessens the risk of AIDS in the population by 25% or more (World Health Organization).

Or are you one of the filthy ones who aren't?

Hi TADOWE -- long time no see.

Good to have you around again to add a little spice to the place. lol

TADOWE

Hi there. I just wanted you to know I'm even more Leftist/Democratic than the last time I saw you around here.

Hope all's well

BTW the term (Leftist)

You were using it in the American context with me, Tadpole.

I am not one of your leftists.

As the Potato who haunts this site, said, I would've been a conservative redneck if I were American.

Aren't most Americans circumcised already, Tadpole?

What is wrong with that? It lessens the risk of AIDS in the population by 25% or more (World Health Organization).

Or are you one of the filthy ones who aren't?

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Not this boy. There ain't no way I am going under the knife. No Sire BillyJoeBob.

Larry

Good to have you around again to add a little spice to the place.

Oh good one, luv!

Encourage the little prick!

There ain't no way I am going under the knife.

You were supposed to go under the knife when you were a wee baby.

Now it will hurt like hell.

The whackoff namesake says, "Aren't most Americans circumcised already, Tadpole? What is wrong with that? It lessens the risk of AIDS in the population by 25% or more (World Health Organization). Or are you one of the filthy ones who aren't?"

Ah, I detect a bit of physiological prejudice from the jackoff. Not having a circumcision makes a man "dirty", is that what you are saying?

So, since you have this physical bias, it is okay to force every man to abide by your religious bigotry. That, of course, is a perfect example of the dictatorial, neolithic, goat-herding mentality from about the year 600 A.D.

Talk about "Conservatism" and up pops Sharia and the camel herding "brown people" who want to rule the world and enforce their barbaric laws on all of humanity ... "and what's so bad about that?"

And, you f'ing American Leftists are in the same camp; supporting Sharia against G.W. Bush and Republicans ... for your sleazy anti-patriotic votes. You support this anti-American creep and his internationalist ilk.

What a shitty smear you make on the USA in ageeing with this sort of Big Lie and trying to force the USA into that backstabbing mold!

The term "Democrat" will soon be an euphemism for "stink" ...

Not having a circumcision makes a man "dirty", is that what you are saying?

That is exactly what I am saying.

And you are one doity rat.

anti-American creep

I'll take that as a compliment Tadpole.

Man, I'm so glad to be aligned with the Democratics this year.

The idea of 4 more years of and inept Republican WH is enough to make me puke.

All us moderate Leftist/Democratics are going to win everything this year and show America what it's like to have leadership that cares about it's citizens.

We won't to starting any more preemptive wars like Iraq that will go down as the worst foreign policy blunder in American history. We won't have Republicans engaging in the most massive increase in the federal government, or the most massive increases of the national debt.

Plus, Democratics will ensure some people who deride Democratics are guaranteed mental health coverage.

And, you f'ing American Leftists are in the same camp; supporting Sharia against G.W. Bush and Republicans

LET'S HOLD THE TRIALS IN A STADIUM !!!!

The new term for Democrats will be 'incumbants' for the foreseeable future. The Fascist/UnDemocratic Republicans have shown they cannot be trusted with the keys to the kingdom.

Tosser says, "And you are one doity rat."

So, you say I am dirty, for what? Not having a circumcision? I suppose you know? So lusting after my unit that you know whether it is or is not cut?

Do you toss off when you think about my dirty self, Tosser?

With you left hand, of course ...

LET'S HOLD THE TRIALS IN A STADIUM !!!!

Good idea.

Line them all up and get them to drop their knickers so the uncircumcised ones can be sent back home.

This is the only way out.

Catch every dirty chap who isn't circumcised and let 'em have it.

It will stop the spread of mental disease too.

I always thought, why are some Americans so hard to talk to? What is their problem?

Now I get it. They are uncircumcised!

Well, that's easy enough to solve.

I suppose you know?

From the way you have taken the issue of circumcision personally, tells me you are uncircumcised.

Doity rat.

AU goes ballistic, "The new term for Democrats will be 'incumbants' for the foreseeable future. The Fascist/UnDemocratic Republicans have shown they cannot be trusted with the keys to the kingdom."

Well, I suppose you can pretend that a callow senator with 147 days of experience, and a snake for a vice-presidential candidate will be in control next year, but you (and all of you) are just fooling yourselves.

Actually, I think by this time next year, that the term "Democrat" will be synonymous with "corruption", and because this economic fiasco is 85% the responsibility of Democrats and their malfeasance and personal corruptions in office.

You self-blinded idiots think Enron deserved a *Special Prosecutor*, but look who is in-charge now?

Where is the *Special* prosecutor when Democrats are the thieves?

Middle-America is sick and tired of this corruption and the socialist sycophants who support them: Democrats.

It is just a fact, but hard to face for you antipatriots for votes liars of the Left.

Whackoff proves the reality: You can circumcise a pig, but the pig is still dirty.

I feel sorry for the porcine jerkoff, actually.

TADOWE

Didn't you know the Repubicans did away with the Special Prosecutor statue knowing George W Bush would probably be in office?

I mean, how can we have a REAL crook who spits on the Constitution investigated.

Wouldn't DO!!!!!

TOSSER

TADOWE is about 89 years old

Me and tens of millions of my fellow Democratics will vote Sen. Barack Obama and wider majorities into office on November 4th.

THEN we'll have honest people who believe in the Constitution holding the reins of power in both the Executive and Legislative branches.

DEMOCRATICS UNITE AGAINST MORONISM !!!!!!

TADOWE is about 89 years old

You are joking, right?

If yes, then I owe him an apology for calling him a doity rat.

He is clearly senile.

But then again, since he won't remember this tomorrow... Tadpole! Yer a doity rat!

I'm not joking, TOSSER

He and McCain both knew Moses personally

TOSSER

TADOWE doesn't have anything to lose - but his state provided health care. Health care provided by "Democratics" (that's Tadowe's term).

TADOWE is old enough to know that Judas didn't betray Jesus for 30 pieces of silver as the rest of us were led to believe, but actually 32 pieces of silver. He knows. He was in the crowd when Judas was thrown the sack of coins. LOL

I'm not joking, TOSSER
He and McCain both knew Moses personally,

Sheesh..... why am I even talking to him then?

Bastard old timer might get high blood pressure and kick the bucket because of something I said and then it would be my fault.

Carry on Tadpole, carry on.

TADOWE is old enough to know that Judas didn't betray Jesus for 30 pieces of silver as the rest of us were led to believe, but actually 32 pieces of silver. He knows. He was in the crowd when Judas was thrown the sack of coins.

I gotta stay away from this guy....

He's a hoot! I tried being nice to him, but he insisted on ranting.

You can practically cut and paste any one of his posts. They all say the same thing. LOL

I have this picture of him:

He is senile.

We should all forgive grampa.

I had no idea....

If yes, then I owe him an apology for calling him a doity rat.

TOSSER

He gets a sponge bath every Tuesday and Thursday at his rest home. He may be a rat, but he's not so dirty. Sponge baths are mandatory whether or not he wants one.

WHAT KIND OF A PLACE IS THIS???

Is Rogers running a zoo or a website?

I need a break...

TOSSER

Say, are things any better in Pakistan now with the new government, or do you just hate them all equally?

He gets a sponge bath

PLEASE.

I can't get the image of 89 year old uncircumcised cock out of my mind.

I need to do something different for a little bit.

I'm outta here. Bye.

LOL bye

are things any better in Pakistan now with the new government

You keep asking me this and I keep telling you, the new people are total assholes and they don't know what they are doing.

do you just hate them all equally

Zardari's approval ratings are lower than Mushi's it seems.

We just realized (well, most of us already knew), what creep the man is.

America is about to realize his creepiness, but I think it will take a little while to sink in.

Thank you for changing the topic.

Now bye.

Well, AU, your candidate for president is the largest recipient of Fannie M and Freddy M lobbying funds - in the history of those organizations. Looks like Big Banking/Mortgage owns your Democrat "organizer".

That's okay, though, and since you socialists want the government to own all the US economy, and we should all work for government.

Instead of a land of freedom and individual liberty, we'll have a land where the government establishes all social standards and assigns education and work according to ability. "Free" medical care will involve mandatory testing and mandatory treatment; even with distraint if necessary.

American will become as regimented as Eastern Germany, the USSR, N. Korea, Cuba, China because the government will dictate what "privileges" you might be given-if-you're-good, or refused if you aren't politically correct. Only government will have "rights".

That's socialism and its perfection in communism (Marx).

Anyway, too bad for the Democratic party that the internet was invented. The government (those in control) won't be able to manipulate the world news so easily. In trying to profit from subverting the success of a war *ALL* of the USA was involved in fighting in Iraq, not just Republicans, the Democrats have ruined their standing in the eyes of everyday Americans, even many of your own party.

In my opinion, your efforts to continue with the same stupid effort to revile fellow Americans fighting a war against OBVIOUS fascistic efforts to force Islam on the entire world is suicidal; moronic at best!

But, hey! Continue to spout the anti-American, socialistic ideology and ruin the reputation of the Democratic party. You know, by now, that I actually like to see it being done and the more that they see the socialist/communist collective act out, the better!

Tadowe-
re: Well, AU, your candidate for president is the largest recipient of Fannie M and Freddy M lobbying funds -

Really?

Care to back up that bullshit?

(Yes, it's stupid to even ask)

Ya, things sucked so bad those 40 years Democrats controlled Congress. Things were so bad when Clinton left office there were FREAKIN' SURPLUSES!!!

Those inept Democratics, huh?

It took the highly responsible Republicans - once they got total control of government - to preside over the largest increase of the federal budget in history, largest deficits in history, and largest national debt in history.

Heck, for all the bitching about the Wall Street bailout, folks forget the GOP did us a favor in making us now pay out $500,000,000,000 (billion) a year to service the national debt.

Sure. Gimme more of that, eh? What am I thinking in wanting to vote 'Democratic'? Give me more irresponsible and arrogant ineptness!! The people demand it!!

"...by a host of Leftists, Democratics, Socialists, Liberals, Whatever..."

TADOWE

Try 'level headed pragmatists'.

Your heros are flunkies who've left America in very bad shape compared to what they inherited.

How was the chocolate pudding tonight? Saturday night IS pudding night, isn't it?

Betelg can't look anything up on his own, so he asks nicely like a good Democrat, "Really? Care to back up that bullshit? (Yes, it's stupid to even ask)"

Thanks for your query. Although I'm sure it is just a feeble effort to misdirect a fact you already know, and will continue to avoid, here is the link:

Tadowe-
You stated that Obama "is the largest recipient of Fannie M and Freddy M lobbying funds -", when in fact those contributions were from individual employees, and had nothing to do with "lobbying funds". If you are interested in "lobbying funds" just use the Googles for McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis.

Betelg says, "You stated that Obama "is the largest recipient of Fannie M and Freddy M lobbying funds -", when in fact those contributions were from individual employees, and had nothing to do with "lobbying funds". If you are interested in "lobbying funds" just use the Googles for McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis."

I'm sure you'll accept my apology for using the wrong term, "lobbying funds", and although I'm sure the reality of the situation doesn't escape your notice; however much you try to avoid it. Bought is bought. As for the "individual" donations, go fool a Democrat - they'll buy that fiction.

The funny thing about your attempt is the contradiction you make in acknowledging the Mccain "bundling", while you just have to highlight that Obama received some "individual donations" collected from employees ... too rich!

AU declares, "Your heros are flunkies who've left America in very bad shape compared to what they inherited."

See what tyrannical creep you are make of yourself in your neurotic effort to belittle me? You attempt to dictate who is and, or who is not my heroes.

Ever since WWII, my heroes have been American soldiers and their sacrifice for freedom and liberty we have and want to share with the rest of the world. They defended freedom for the world then, and have ever since; despite the vile and vicious effort to use their service for retreat and defeat of America to gain partisan party over nation votes ...

In my opinion, those who still call themselves "Democrats" are willing supporters of a terrorist victory over our nation's soldiers. Meanwhile, the Leftists cheer for their victory over the USA and their profits in votes and political power; along with the terrorists their efforts at retreat would benefit, but who sneer at votes, while they thank American Democrats for the assistance they receive in power over their nation.

"How was the chocolate pudding tonight? Saturday night IS pudding night, isn't it?"

I take a lot of pride in standing up for the USA, our constitution and our heroic, volunteer soldiers who fight for America, while Leftist Progressives exercise the freedom of speech they might die in order to protect - so that you can call them murderers, torturers, war criminals, and any other lie or ghoulish stacking of their dead bodies you can use to gain party over nation political power.

You ungrateful shits!

"....I take a lot of pride in standing up for the USA, our constitution and our heroic, volunteer soldiers who fight for America..."

Huh. What a coincidence!! So do I.

That's why I didn't want 4000 of them killed and 30,000 wounded in Iraq.

You can't be belittled. There's no further you could go down LOL

It is working.

All the militants who attack inside Pakistan, come from inside the Afghan refugee camps.

We have told them to pack up and fuck off back to Afghanistan.

America's problem now.
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　ISLAMABAD, Oct. 3 (Xinhua) -- Pakistan has asked Afghan refugees in a tribal region to leave the area in three days, the News Network International (NNI) news agency reported Friday.

The refugees were asked to leave the Bajaur tribal region bordering Afghanistan but the authorities did not give any reason for the repatriation, said the report.

Security forces have been fighting militants in Bajaur and the authorities believe that elements among the Afghan refugees are supporting the militants, according to NNI.

Pakistan has already closed down all refugees camp in Bajaur but thousands of refugees are still living in rented houses.

An order signed by deputy chief of the local administration Haseeb said that action would be taken against the Afghan refugees if they failed to leave the area by the deadline.

The order also asked the local tribesmen to vacate houses and shops given to the Afghan refugees on rent.

The NNI quoted local people as saying that Afghan refugees had started leaving Khar, the center of Bajaur before the deadline was passed.

And

There is still a lot of work to be done, but Pakistan will eventually be clear of these scum.

The only scum left in the region will be the US and NATO troops in Afghanistan.

They will be on their own.

AU says, "Huh. What a coincidence!! So do I. That's why I didn't want 4000 of them killed and 30,000 wounded in Iraq."

See? It is so unreal to me that you would spin what I said all around and type it back to me!

I mentioned the Left's ghoulish behavior in using their (soldier's) life and death as a reason to belittle their service for partisanship! You project your timidity and lack of bravery onto them, the real American heroes soldiers! Volunteers who know they might die to protect our way of life, and not coincidentally your ability to use them for your gang's greed in seeking political power.

You can't fool me, and since I know you didn't utter a peep about war when Clinton conducted his: 2 airwars in Iraq, Bosnia UN action and the subsequent invasion of Serbia - a country that didn't attack us and didn't have WMD, and turned out not to conduct genocide. Then their was the assassination/kidnap attempt of a Somalian political leader - oh, oh, and the Haiti invasion. Coincidentally a country that didn't attack us, and didn't have WMD or genocide ...

"You can't be belittled. There's no further you could go down LOL"

And again! I just got through telling you that, but like a good Leftist creepazoid, you must spin it 180 degrees and repeat it back in that parrot-like way that Democrats practice from birth.

That's really the clue, isn't it? That you just can't reason a good insult, but must invent one or repeat one you've heard, by rote? That's why your "insults" are so satisfying, because they are confirmation after confirmation that my commentary has been effective.

Thanks, AU. I couldn't type a word effectively without you and, or one of your ilk.

As long as you support the much hated, President Karsick (brother of Afghanistan's biggest drug-lord, who provides Taliban with the money for weapons), America is just spinning it's wheels in the Afghan mud.

The solution is simple.

Leave Karsick to be shot by the Afghans. They all hate him. And because of him, they hate you now.

foreign agent's groping efforts

Old Fart.... I am not a secret agent today because my tuxedo is at the cleaners.

When it comes back, then you can call me a secret agent.

I mentioned the Left's ghoulish behavior in using their (soldier's) life and death as a reason to belittle their service for partisanship!

TADOWE

My you're mighty presumptious!! I haven't seen anyone - left or right - belittling our soldier's service to this country.

You're just plain old bat shit crazy

Pakistani whackoff says, "The only scum left in the region will be the US and NATO troops in Afghanistan."

I love propaganda - it is so fascinating when used to lie. For example, the troops in Afghanistan are *all* NATO troops under UN authority. However, seperating US forces from the rest is an attempt to lead a negative inference, as if the US was somehow an "outlaw" force.

Of course, that is because Islamic radicals want to fool the world into believing that the USA is the real evil, the Great Shaitan. They don't want attention directed at the efforts to use human sacrifice to advance Sharia as the law of the world's nations, and Islam as its religion.

The UN/NATO effort in Afghanistan isn't the same as the Soviet invasion, and since the UN isn't supporting an unelected, puppet government as was set-up by the Soviets. Indeed, for the first time in history, women can vote in Afghanistan ... as well as Iraq!

Meanwhile, the Islamic fascists try and destroy the reputation of the USA, and vilify its citizens for not abiding by Sharia; e.g. circumcision. They don't speak out against the use of human sacrifice to advance Allah, because they're too busy calling America evil and demanding Israel be destroyed.

Nothing has changed much in 3 thousand years - the Philistines are still sacrificing to their god so they can rule the world, with the only differences being that they use bombs instead of a fiery furnace, and the name has changed from Moloch to Allah.

How's that, whacker?

Tosser uses lips, "Old Fart.... I am not a secret agent today because my tuxedo is at the cleaners."

You are a foreigner, and an agent of your ideology. However, I can sympathize with your not being a native English speaker and the consequent fit with the left footed 'shoe' I described

"When it comes back, then you can call me a secret agent."

I can call you whatever I please, whackoff, and at my pleasure, not your stuffed suit's.

Conducting medical experiments on other bloggers penises is strictly prohibited.

That is one of the stanger things I heve ever read here. And that is saying something.

If there is anything worse than an uncircumcised cock, it's Tadpoles uncircumcised 89 year old cock.

How did you get by for so long without having your wiener nicked, filthy bastard?

Allah... I am done talking about this.

Shit.

I need to clear me head.

Tosser declares, "As far as the Afghans are concerned, yes, you are an outlaw force."

No, the UN/NATO force is "outlaw" to Islamic radicals who don't want elections, women voting, or any other modern "nonsense", and not all Afghans as you infer. The Taliban is trying to become the theocratic rulers of Afghanistan by use of force ... not votes.

It is so amusing to me, the hypocrisy of some who profess to be of Islam, true Muslims and who live in a democratic nation. If a secular leader gains power, the radical religionists accuse them of not abiding my democracy and ignoring the will of the people.

Then, when it suits them, they turn their other face around and support a theocratic dicatorship in Afghanistan and agitate for such elitist rule in their own nation! Hypocrites.

"USA is the real evil"

The USA is the most free nation on Earth and its law emphasizes individual rights, not those demanded and dictated by mullahs and fatwahs. The real "evil" in this world is the support of human sacrifice done by and in the name of Islam. That dark and evil practice demands that its followers point their bloody fingers at the free and the brave ... while they skulk around making bombs they will strap onto their children for Allah (they can't go blow themselves up, because they are too busy proselyting in America) and hiding behind their women's skirts or shivering in the safety of the mosque. What tremendous bravery, huh?

"Responsible for 600,000 to a million dead people in Iraq."

How about all the poor dogs that were killed or have starved? Why not count them, and since you are including all the dead found in Saddam's mass graves and, or have died of natural causes since 1990 and they were thrown out of Kuwait?

"Wrong. Both times."

In the early part of the last century, the American South tried to deny blacks the right to vote by various methods; from outright violence to the more subtle "literacy test".

That women may be forced into not voting or seeking public office is the "evil", and practiced by the Islamic radicals under discussion. How you think this attempt to deny a constitutional right is proving me incorrect, is beyond me? It must be some Oriental twist in the head of you theocrats that I just can't quite grasp, huh?

"One day, when America is under the thumb of the Islamic Caliphet, I will seek you out in your old folks home and give you a circumcision."

I knew you were hot for my kite string, jerkoff. However, I wouldn't consort with a pig, whether circumcised, or not. Try AmericanUnity, he's sensitive to the plight of you Islamic haters of America. He might lend you a hand, Tosser. That would be sweet, eh?

"That's how it is."

Yes, indeed it is! So sad, too, that Islam issues fatwahs calling for murder and human sacrifice to advance Allah, and glory to Mohammed.

Old Fart...

Since you are 89 years old, I can wait for you to pop off.

When America's last line of defense has bought the farm, the armies of Islam shall conquer all!

Tosser threatens, "If I can't get at his cock with me knife, I will shoot it off with me gun. I can't stand the idea of uncircumcised wieners."

I certainly have an Occidental twist in my head, because I actually enjoy seeing how effective I've been, and by receiving veiled threats and insults.

It is funny to observe how assiduously the Leftists avoid criticising someone who is reviling a rightwinger, and even if they damn America as well in their theocratic zeal.

If any conservative had said the same things, you Democrats would have collectivated in droves to attack the rightwinger who threatened anyone!

What a pack of two faced hypocrites you just happen to make of yourselves in your partisan stupidity.

Too bad Bush took his eyes off Afghanistan and set them squarely on Iraq - a country that didn't attack us and had nothing to do with 9/11.

Tadpole is radioing for an airstrike at my coordinates!

Pathetic.

TOSSER doesn't hate America. He hates morons like Bush and the righwingers who support his craziness in starting unnecessary wars.

TOSSER doesn't hate America. He hates morons like Bush and the righwingers who support his craziness in starting unnecessary wars.

My focus keeps changing.

I might hate America for 5 minutes but then I snap out of it. Bottom line is America can be an incredibly useful place and can do things others won't do.. if they don't have a War-Chimp in charge.

But right now I hate Tadpole and his ----- and I can not snap out of it.

TOSSER

You know you don't hate America. Most of us understand George W Bush has done incredible damage to our image though his actions. Hang in there. President Obama will turn things around....

Tadpole is radioing for an airstrike at my coordinates!

Here's a pic of TADOWE during his 'radio school' days:

Here's a pic of TADOWE during his 'radio school' days

"Don't feed the animals"

But I would still throw peanuts at that face.

TOSSER

When you make it over to the U.S. for a visit you're welcome to visit my wife and I for a few days in Nashville, Tennessee.

It's a really neat place. Fun and friendly. Guarantee you you'll enjoy yourself. If you ever do plan a trip to the U.s. let me know. You can email me at:

You know you don't hate America.

My feelings are often confused where America is concerned.

Even though you have done much damage to others, you have damaged yourselves the most.

President Obama

I doubt the man is capable.

Out of a nation of over 300 million people, you should have found a third option.

That's what they said about John F Kennedy as well.

America is at it's best when it's using 'soft diplomacy' in helping people. Kennedy started the Peace Corp - an organization that helped millions around the world in providing safe drinking water, schools, help in developing crops, hospitals, etc.

Obama is a smart and principled man. Hold your opinion until you see what he can do....

As far as your neck of the woods goes he isn't Muslim, but he understands the culture. He also spent quite a bit of time in Pakistan as a college aged student.

Just don't form opinions yet Wait til you see what he does.

If you ever do plan a trip to the U.s. let me know.

Thanks for the kind offer. Much appreciate the sentiment.

I think you mentioned you have relatives in Texas.

And in California and in Georgia. But they are a bit out of touch with me.

Keep in mind that's the adopted home state of George W Bush.

My cousin's in-laws are come from old Texan families.

They say that if Dubya ever shows his face there in rural Texas, they will tar and feather the fake. Or worse.

They seem to take it quite personally.

He also spent quite a bit of time in Pakistan as a college aged student.

About three weeks I think.

Still, better than others, I guess.

AU does the parrot routine, "Too bad Bush took his eyes off Afghanistan and set them squarely on Iraq - a country that didn't attack us and had nothing to do with 9/11."

See? We've been over this before, and where you won't respond to the contradictions I present to your argument(s).

After the Taliban was deposed as theocratic tyrants in support of terrorism and along with Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda, the insurgency increased as they regrouped, and al Qaeda gathered forces and gained support from Iraq; as well as Pakistan and some from Iran.

As has been mentioned, the bounty on US forces or citizens offered by Saddam in terrorizing Israel applied equally to UN and NATO entities in Afghanistan. For that matter, many Islamic fundamentalists were joining al Qaeda's jihad and accepting the propaganda that the US was not freedom, but evil incarnate.

It was strategically beneficial to Afghanistan's new democracy to take the fight against terrorism to Iraq, instead of remaining under constant pressure from there. Of course, that wasn't the only consideration, but you will deny it as valid, and just as you deny every other reason presented to you - for politics.

That's so, because of what I mentioned about Clinton's wars. Your Leftist hypocrites just can't face the fact that his invasions were even less supported with reasoning ... but all of you backstabbing partisan use "protest" as a way to profit from any war the US fights under a Republican president.

"TOSSER doesn't hate America. He hates morons like Bush and the righwingers who support his craziness in starting unnecessary wars."

And, he can threaten an American who disagrees with him without a single peep out of you Democrats because it is directed at a conservative. Any enemy of your enemy is your friend, right?

That's how Democrats support Islamic terrorism and their efforts to defeat the USA, by calling their American commander in chief a "moron" and revile rightwingers along with al Qaeda and their Pakistani masturbators.

How proud as an American Progressive hypocrite you must be! The likes of you make Democrats rehtak seyaara wa shaklak khara.

I'm not far from Georgia.

Anyway, the offer stands. If you come over it would be a pleasure to show you some of the area I live in. Beautiful country and friendly people.

Believe me, almost everyone I know loathers George W Bush for what he's done as much as I do. That includes many people who voted for him. We know how much he's damaged out image around the world.

You're a young man, and so much of what George W Bush has done has occurred in your years of being aware of the world around you, and especially since you're so close to Afghanistan. 9/11 was a horrendous event that shook America on her foundations. Had there been another President in office I doubt we'd have gone into Iraq. Most likely we'd have taken out the Taliban and poured resources into rebuilding Afghanistan into a better country for the people who suffered so much under the Taliban. Instead, we know the rest of that story.

America is a kind and generous nation. I'm sorry it's image was so tarnished. I'm around 50 years old, and so I remember the country this was until 9/11 happened and we got the moron in the White House who's done so much damage here and abroad.

I have to go to bed now. If you want to drop me an email I'll respond later.

Take care.

TADOWE

People like you are the reason America is now loathed in so many parts of the world where they once looked upon us with awe.

Tosser is threatening you???

No... Tosser has decided to wait for you and your wiener to kick the bucket. You ARE 89 years old.

Why am I talking in third person? Damn Potato...

rehtak seyaara wa shaklak khara.

Kiya phir say tumko apni gaand may danda chahiyay?

TADOWE

Tune into 60 Minutes tomorrow night.

You'll find out how your dear leaders blew the chance to get Osama Bin Laden when he was THAT close.

Bush is a moron, and so are those like you who still feel invading Iraq and taking our eyes off of Afghanistan was the right move. We could have put a fraction of the resources into Afghanistan we put into Iraq in the form of humanitarian efforts, building roads, schools, agriculture, and hospitals. "Soft diplomacy" has ALWAYS been more effective at showing America at it's best than the end of a gun. Always.

You're a young man

Not as young as you might think. LOL

I remember watching the Vietnam war on TV. And the astronauts on the moon.

We know how much he's damaged out image around the world.

Actually Clinton did far more damage to your security than Dubya has done to your image.

We could have put a fraction of the resources into Afghanistan we put into Iraq

That is true.

ALL your problems could have been solved by now. All of them.

Did Clinton invade the Balkans?

What reason did Clinton give for invading?

Did you support the US war effort in Bosnia/Serbia?

How about the attempted kidnapping or assination of a Somali political figure? Did you agree with that pseudo-war effort?

How about Clinton's invasion of Haiti? Did you agree with that and support the USA patriotically?

Can you, or anyone answer those questions with a small amount of reasoning, AU?

If not, then you (and all of the silent "you") are truly intellectual cowards and partisan backstabbers of the USA for party over nation votes.

And there would have been no financial crisis. And American soldiers would be back home.

I think it is too late now.

America is well on it's way to getting into a fight with the Pathan nation.

TOSSER

OK, now I"m going to bed. Drop me an email and I'll respond sometime after I've had some sleep.

Just don't make up your mind about America. I know we've had a moron for a President. Things can and will change. We've been here before, but not to the degree of contempt Bush has brought us.

Watch how soundly George W Bush's policies and the Republican Party will be rejected on November 4th. We make mistakes (I didn't vote for him), but we're good at making good out of bad situations too.

President Obama will provide you with reasons to like America better after all the wreckage and carnage Bush has caused here and in your 'neck of the woods' as they say. Give him a chance. He'll have a MASSIVE amount of damage to try to clean up here and abroad.

Good night, man.

Things can and will change.

I don't think they will. They are going to get worse.

The US is locked into a challenge-response scenario.

Drop me an email and I'll respond sometime after I've had some sleep.

Have mine too:

Things can and will change.

I don't think they will. They are going to get worse.

The US is locked into a challenge-response scenario.

Drop me an email and I'll respond sometime after I've had some sleep.

Have mine too:

Shit... double post....

Good night, man.

Good afternoon.

Did Clinton invade the Balkans?

Invade? No. Go in with an international force? Yes

What reason did Clinton give for invading?

Ending a genocide

Did you support the US war effort in Bosnia/Serbia?

Yes. I've been there. People were being butchered left and right. Only NATO's intercession stopped it and brought peace with some justice against the butchers who ravaged those countries

How about the attempted kidnapping or assination of a Somali political figure? Did you agree with that pseudo-war effort?

George HW Bush sent in the 25,000 troops into Somalia promising to have them home by the time Clinton took office. A promise he broke by every measure.

How about Clinton's invasion of Haiti? Did you agree with that and support the USA patriotically?

Yes, I did. My nephew was among the Marines who went. He was there for a year. Our intersession stopped the bloodshed for a time. Things are horrible there once again with people eating mud in an attempt to stave off starvation.

Can you, or anyone answer those questions with a small amount of reasoning, AU?

I just did.

All the examples you gave were to prevent humanitarian catastrophes. All successful missions. If you're trying to make an analogy I'm not with you. Saddam Hussein was 'boxed in' with No Fly zones. We had our chance at the end of the 1991 Gulf War to be met with flowers and chocolates. Bush 41 called on the Iraqis to revolt and they did. Then he refused to provide them with any assistance.

After 9/11, we had a righteous war in Afghanistan. We did not finish the job. We were sold a bill of goods on Iraq. Almost everyone agrees with that. So, we've ended up with two countries in chaos - years later - by spreading our military so thin.

PS You're talking to a man who's family has a long and storied history in the U.S. Military. You don't need to preach patriotism to me.

AU plays the fool, "People like you are the reason America is now loathed in so many parts of the world where they once looked upon us with awe."

BS! Weakness like you self-described "Progressives" constantly display is what disgraces the USA.

You think you are actually heroes for abandoning a sworn ally in South Vietnam! You haven't a clue as to how that demonstrated to the world that our word is WORTHLESS.

Thanks to Progressive cowards, Islam thinks to attack the world's strongest and freest nation! And, you stupid partisan, backstabbing subversives try to profit from another America war defending liberty and freedom by agitating for retreat and defeat of our new ally ... another WORTHLESS promise that you scum try to shame all of the USA, in order to get Bush (who has kept his PROMISE).

Deny that Pakistani Tosser. Has Bush defended freedom and liberty in Iraq as he has promised?

You don't have to answer, he isn't a cowardly partisan Democrat who can abandon a nation to tyranny for votes and welfare ...

And Iraq was no 'International effort'. Our allies were against it. We've carried the full load financially and with personnel.

We still have 150,000 troops there. The nearest contribution are 5000 British troops who are leaving as we speak.

All the examples you asked about were international efforts. All successfully planned and executed in a short amount of time. Iraq was poorly planned. Bush went against the advice of our own Army Chief of Staff who said we'd need 500,000 troops to prevent exactly what he predicted would happen if we didn't.

Good night, TADOWE

TADOWE

Call me whatever you want. Doesn't phase me.

Lunatics like you and your hero Bush are the reason we're still in Iraq longer than it took to win a world wide war, starting a military from basically scratch.

You're stark raving crazy like the President who led us down the garden path.

TADOWE

Read post #240 in response to you.

And good night.

TOSSER

I dropped you a short note.

Later, man. Have a good day. 4:33 am here. I'm up WAy past my bedtime.

Zzzzzzzzzzz

A short note at your email that is....

AU runs away like crazy, "Invade [the Balkans]? No. Go in with an international force? Yes"

Initially, I believe that about 80 nations who joined the effort to depose Saddam is considered and "international force". So, your answer is a misdirection ... a non sequitur.

"Ending a genocide"

One of the reasons for invading Iraq. Are you actually this dim?

"Yes. I've been there. People were being butchered left and right. Only NATO's intercession stopped it and brought peace with some justice against the butchers who ravaged those countries"

Unreal, and since reality has demonstrated that there was no genocide taking place. Plenty of butchery from both sides, though, and al Qaeda in support of the ethnic Islamic Bosnians in Hertzogovina. Besides that, they hadn't attacked the US, they didn't have WMD (there or not) and they hadn't threatened their neighbor nations.

You can support that reasonless war, while you defame the deposition of a murderous tyrant, a rapist, a genocide against Kurds and Shi'ite, an imperialist who attacked his neighbors, threatened the world with WMD and to invade and destroy Israel. You are nothing but a partisan hack.

"George HW Bush sent in the 25,000 troops into Somalia promising to have them home by the time Clinton took office. A promise he broke by every measure."

What are you on about? I asked if you supported Clinton's efforts at political assassination, or at best kidnapping. Of course, you can't agree with that, but are the intellectual coward I descirbe and quail at anything but misdirection.

"Yes, I did."

How so? They didn't attack us did they? They didn't threaten the world with WMD, did they? They didn't do genocide against an entire ethnic group ... so why did you support that invasion, but not to depose a murderous genocidal rapist, tyrant and imperialist? It's because you are a two-faced partisan hypocrite, isn't that right? Things weren't "horrible" in Iraq, huh, you chochem?

"I just did."

You've proved that you are the intellectual coward I described your ilk as being ... that's what you just did.

"All the examples you gave were to prevent humanitarian catastrophes. All successful missions."

See? Iraq was to prevent continued humanitarian catastrophes; e.g., starving his citizens by selling the charity, along with blackmarket oil to the UN, in order to buy palaces and tons of yellow-cake uranium ... but you literally can't see the success of a new democracy free from the previous genocide and rape from Saddam's sons and cohorts in Iraq ... you can only see the success of placing a genocidal dictator back on the throne in Haiti ...

Democrats are starting to stink like the yellow-dogs they take pride in being ...

Deny that Pakistani Tosser.

Deny WHAT, you Doity Rat?

I stand naked before the court of public opinion. Denials are for pussies.

Deny that Pakistani Tosser. Has Bush defended freedom and liberty in Iraq as he has promised?
You don't have to answer, he isn't a cowardly partisan Democrat who can abandon a nation to tyranny for votes and welfare ...
~ TADOWE

"PROMISED" I forget in what pre-invasion speech did Bush or any other of the Chicken Hawks including TADOWE mention that an Invasion of Iraq was necessary for the Freedom and Liberty of Iraq...

More Bullshit backpedaling over Failed Policy.

Zap says, ""PROMISED" I forget in what pre-invasion speech did Bush or any other of the Chicken Hawks including TADOWE mention that an Invasion of Iraq was necessary for the Freedom and Liberty of Iraq..."

Well, the elder Bush president found that he couldn't act on his "statement" to the Iraqi people that he would support their revolution.

The UN failed in its efforts to help the people of Iraq, also, and since its own members were buying blackmarket oil from Saddam, and also accepting UN food and medical relief as payment for construction of "palaces" deep underground.

Saddam and his murderous clique restarted the systematic genocide of the Kurdish people, and massacres of Shi'ite resistance to his evil dictatorship, and which was verified by UN investigators and reported by eye-witness acounts from other nations.

When Bush got into office, he "promised" to fight terrorism and after 9/11, he "promised" to include terrorist supporting nations in that war against theocratic murder and human sacrifice to advance Islamic world domination; beginning with the GENOCIDE OF ISRAEL.

So, when Saddam continued his threats and urged the fight against the Great Shaitan and its "real" puppet-master: Israel, the qualified for the "statement/promise".

Saddam also qualified for his well known genocide; unlike the vague reasoning for going to war in the Balkans (that you Leftists supported "patriotically", if not for partisanship alone).

He qualified for deposition in so many ways, that the average American is almost universally aware of the lies Democrats try to spread to deny that Saddam deserved removal from his dictatorship!

"More Bullshit backpedaling over Failed Policy."

The "policy" is a success. Saddam is muerte. His rapist sons are buried with dogs. His evil regime is disbanded and the people of Iraq are free from governmental massacre, constant threats and the fear that a failing soccer team might be murdered for losing ...

What amazes me is that you anti-patriots for votes Democrats continue to whine and moan about a fait accompli - a success of democracy and victory over tyranny, not seen since our cowardly abandonment of South Vietnam. Another forced failure of that time by the whining, cowardly mob of Leftist creeps, and which they have attempted for 4 years, now in Iraq!

Watch, next the supporters of Islamic terrorism so they can get votes in the USA will start moaning about the cost of defending Afghanistan. Their greed for welfare benefits from government will force them to try and abandon ANY ally when a Republican is president.

And you know in your stony socialistic hearts that Obama is already the loser ...

So, you'll either have to continue demonstrating that you are anti-patriots and vilify "McBushco" for another 4 years ... like the yellow-dog-democrat cowards for votes you all just happen to be!

"Anti-patriots...."

Tell me, Tad----How would you describe Palin's welcoming tape for the Alaskan Independence Party? I think "anti-patriotic" covers it.

Well, the elder Bush president found that he couldn't act on his "statement" to the Iraqi people that he would support their revolution.

LOL Talk about back peddling you we go back 5 administrations, Nice Work!

The "policy" is a success. Saddam is muerte. His rapist sons are buried with dogs.

So we can come home now and stop the bleeding, No? Well when, a 100 years.

You Sir are the Traitor!

"Anti-patriot...."

When Bush got bored with Iraq and Americans dying there each day a few years back and handed responsibility for the war to Hadley (of all people), I thought that was pretty anti-patriotic.

But, I guess we all have differing standards. I like mine much, much better.

LOL

Taddy's still shaking his fist and shouting at clouds

Hi, Zed.

You wonder, "Tell me, Tad----How would you describe Palin's welcoming tape for the Alaskan Independence Party? I think "anti-patriotic" covers it."

I didn't see it, but will be overjoyed to see you post some of the comments and your reasoning as to why it is anti-patriotic. However, I know you won't, because you are a bit deficient in the ability to so reason. Not your fault, of course, but the responsibility of your party's need for partisan blindness.

"When Bush got bored with Iraq and Americans dying there each day a few years back and handed responsibility for the war to Hadley (of all people), I thought that was pretty anti-patriotic."

You list a couple of unrelated and misdirected claims to anti-patriotism on the part of Republicans? Are you actually that dense that you would conflate two inane examples of action against over 4 years of daily efforts to subvert the success of our fight in Iraq? For your party over nation votes?

Unreal how sleazy you yellow-dogs can get in your yapping at "strangers" and licking your party's possible!

"But, I guess we all have differing standards. I like mine much, much better."

Where two, one-time statements you can spin over the daily, constant efforts to revile our fight in Iraq, to vilify our president at war, and to defame and dehumanize our troops as murderers, rapists, torturers and war criminals!

It would be worth a long laugh, except it is just so despicable and disgusting of the Yellow-Dogs that only support their party always, and their nation only when a Democrat takes us to war against a nation(s) that didn't attack the US!

I don't need to post the tape, Tad----It's well available on Google. I'd have thought everyone had seen it by now.

However, my reasoning as to the tape's lack of patriotism is straightforward---American Public officials shouldn't be offering support and encouragement for American separatist groups.

"Anti-patriot...."

I thought Bush's decision to put off the seige of Fallujah for six months until after the 2004 presidential election was anti-patriotic.

That is, unless you'd like to argue the benefits of allowing insurgents another half-year to prepare defenses more adequate for killing our Marines?

Now this is a real indication about poor use of our money in the hands of these supposed CONSERVATIVE republicans.

I guess the republican propaganda machine is on the march, not only in this country.

The funny thing about this is if the conservative republican party was up and up running and doing things to help the people they would not need propaganda machine in the first place.

Taddy doesn't know Todd Palin was a member of the AIP until his wife ran for public office?

Secessionists are the purest form of anti-patriotism.

Zap says, "LOL Talk about back peddling you we go back 5 administrations, Nice Work!"

You quibbled about the word "promised" and so I needed to clarify that "statement" for you. Obviously you don't have that sort of attention - to notice that your rhetoric was insipid, if not outright stupid.

"So we can come home now and stop the bleeding, No? Well when, a 100 years."

When will the Democrats bring us home from Korea, Germany, England, Japan, the Philippines, and every other military base which defends those nations and benefits their economies?

The cost of those long-term efforts by the USA dwarfs our costs in Iraq. Yet, Democrats can only see the single tree to whine and moan about that is ruining their forest ... virtually begging that someone come and cut-it-down and destroy a new democracy's hope in favor of terroristic force.

"You Sir are the Traitor!"

You can't justify your claim to my being a traitor, whereas my reasoning concerning the virtual Democratic support for terrorism by demanding withdrawel from Iraq before it is secure, is more than just OBVIOUS.

"Anti-patriot...."

I think distributing cash in Iraq in such a manner it could fund the insurgency and/or al-Qaeda was anti-patriotic.

Your opinion?

Secessionists are the purest form of anti-patriotism.

LOL!

Not much of a patriot are you.

So with out to much thought on this one could actually say our revolutionary heros were antipatriotists.

Wow, glad we can still segment political beliefs into a misguided form of patriotism, now I understand how the republicans got to the idea of if you against us than you're antipatriotic.

I've this awful fear someone's about to defend the Confederacy.

I'm so thrilled I'm platz!

I checked again just now, and this entire thread has been deleted from the "Web Log"! The only internet reference is to one time, individual/personal accounts on Drudge Retort.

This thread has been CENSORED!!!! Although it may appear again. You should feel insulted, Zap, to have your efforts to revile America for votes deleted/censored!

Typical Yellow-Dogism, right? Bury your collective head's in the sand if someone starts taking your partisan subversives to task ...

I think the "staff" did this, and not Rogers ... but who can tell?

By the way, MONEYWAR, your confounding the Revolution with Rebellion was exactly what the Confederates did.

Once again I'm full of fear, but I think I ought to ask this---Do you think the Federals should have won the Civil War?

Mad Tad is back? Goody!

When will the Democrats bring us home from Korea, Germany, England, Japan, the Philippines, and every other military base which defends those nations and benefits their economies?

~TADdlepated

When will they leave?

Just a guess but prolly after America goes broke and those countries start demanding that the US pick up their ball and go home.

The American economic hegemony backed by planned coups and military force is no longer wot it was.

Empires die Tad.

The Soviet Empire collapsed under the weight of it's own economic mismanagement and corruption.

Sound familiar?

the virtual Democratic support for terrorism...

Newsflash fer the Dowe syndrome baby:

George W Bush is more responsible fer the rise in global terorism than Osama Bin Laden himself.

The only way to prevent this trend from continuing is to end the illegal, immoral and quite frankly stupid occupation of Iraq in a timely manner.

If BigOil wants to protect their assets there let 'em hire mercenaries.

Same goes with Afghanistan.

OBVIOUS

Naw Tad. Spud plays Captain Obvious in blogworld.

You, otoh, play Captain OBLIVIOUS.

You are a type of traitor, Tad.

Yer part of the "Shame America First" crowd.

Tsk tsk!

Be Well.

I'm sure enjoying this!

I'm criticised for mentioning the elder Bush president in relation to Iraq, while the same crew of critics dig up the Civil War and try to conflate it with Iraq!

This sort of ingrained, blind idiocy you all invariably display makes my day!

Thanks.

while the same crew of critics dig up the Civil War and try to conflate it with Iraq!

My we have a short memory, think you should go back in time to your comments about a year or so ago and review your posts.

Dethspud Canadian chants, "When will they leave?
Just a guess but prolly after America goes broke and those countries start demanding that the US pick up their ball and go home."

I'm certainly in favor of bringing them home, Deth, and saving some money. However, it appears that none of the countries you claim we "occupy" want the USA to leave! Explain that!

"The American economic hegemony backed by planned coups and military force is no longer wot it was. Empires die Tad."

I really enjoy the efforts to misdirect the motive of the USA. You actually reveal your angst in a freudian slip by mentioning "economic hegemony" and trying to compare that with efforts to assissinate foreign Somali polticians by the Leftist Democrats. Indeed, I'm sure you are aware that diplomacy only works from a position of strength (you infer "force"), and not weakness.

"The Soviet Empire collapsed under the weight of it's own economic mismanagement and corruption.
Sound familiar?"

Yes, the USA won the Cold War, and much to the regret of Canadian communist wannabes.

"Newsflash fer the Dowe syndrome baby: George W Bush is more responsible fer the rise in global terorism than Osama Bin Laden himself."

This is an interesting proposition, and so how do I know you won't attempt to reason why your offhand claim is the fact of the matter?

"The only way to prevent this trend from continuing is to end the illegal, immoral and quite frankly stupid occupation of Iraq in a timely manner."

The elected government of Iraq could demand the withdrawel of US troops, right now. If they wanted the USA out of Iraq, we'd have to leave. Same with all the other nations where we have troops ... or NATO has troops ... or the UN has troops ... you self-blinded Canadian!

"If BigOil wants to protect their assets there let 'em hire mercenaries."

What are you talking about? The "Iraqi Oil" is going to China - don't you bother to keep up with the Leftist demands that it be sent to the USA to pay for the war? I expect so, since you are one of those who has made such idiotic claims, yourself, in support of US Leftist Democrats.

"Be Well."

Pompous signoff without meaning. What a prig!

Moneywar starts to whine, "My we have a short memory, think you should go back in time to your comments about a year or so ago and review your posts."

Why? For nothing more than another misdirection, while you avoid acknowledging the contradictions presented to leftist lies.

Mentioning the Civil War and Succession in comparison to comments about Iraq are prime examples of the intellectual fear and cowardice of your leftist attacks and subversions.

Patriots for blowjob cover-up wars in the Balkans but subversives when millions are liberated from a murderous dictatorship ...

Yes, indeed, you Leftist anti-patriots are more than just "obvious", while you glow in the praise of Canadian communists ...

No wonder they removed this thread from the weblog.

I'm certainly in favor of bringing them home, Deth, and saving some money. However, it appears that none of the countries you claim we "occupy" want the USA to leave! Explain that!

Some folks do. They just aint the ones in power ...yet.

Esplain it? O-tay, some of it has to do with inertia, some with fear and some with the whole "putting money into the economy" thang you alluded to earlier.

Spud aint saying that this is happening overnight just that it is happening and that it's all sorta inevitable.

I really enjoy the efforts to misdirect the motive of the USA. You actually reveal your angst in a freudian slip by mentioning "economic hegemony" and trying to compare that with efforts to assissinate foreign Somali polticians by the Leftist Democrats. Indeed, I'm sure you are aware that diplomacy only works from a position of strength (you infer "force"), and not weakness

Misdirect the motives?

No Tad, that's the job of the corporate media or hadn't you figured that out yet? Spud's job is to direct attention back to the things wot the MSM distracts from. More of a hobby, really. Position of Strength? The irony there is that it is precisely that strength you tout which will prove to be yer greatest weakness over time. Particularily if you abuse the power as we've seen BushCo do time and time again.

Yes, the USA won the Cold War, and much to the regret of Canadian communist wannabes.

Actually, the USSR lost the cold war all on their own. Well, at least you didn't try to spin the lie that Ronnie Raygun did it all himself with his own bare hands as some r-tards around here continue to believe. Communist wanna-bes? That lie again? Pure communism is like pure capitolism. Stupid and very, very dangerous.

This is an interesting proposition, and so how do I know you won't attempt to reason why your offhand claim is the fact of the matter?

Interesting assemblage of words, Tad. Did Sarah Palin's speech writers help you out with that one? BushCo's actions in the ME (and inactions in Israel/Palestine) have certainly helped to drum up support both in terms of monies and personel fer the cause of Pan Islamic fundamentalism not just in the ME but all over the world. Denying that would just be nuts (oops Spud fergot who he was talkin' to fer a minute).

The elected government of Iraq could demand the withdrawel of US troops, right now. If they wanted the USA out of Iraq, we'd have to leave. Same with all the other nations where we have troops ... or NATO has troops ... or the UN has troops ... you self-blinded Canadian!

Even you can't be stupid enuff to believe that the US government takes orders from the Iraqi meatpuppets? Or can you?

What are you talking about? The "Iraqi Oil" is going to China - don't you bother to keep up with the Leftist demands that it be sent to the USA to pay for the war? I expect so, since you are one of those who has made such idiotic claims, yourself, in support of US Leftist Democrats.

Only R-tards are dumb enuff to believe that the oil in Iraq or the domestic drilling recently okayed will go to the US.

Pompous signoff without meaning. What a prig!

It's a heartfelt wish fer wellness.

Physical, mental and spiritual.

It's an admonishment as well.

Be Well.

No wonder they removed this thread from the weblog.

~DoweSyndrome

This thread is on the front page of the weblog.

WTF are you talking about?

The Drudge Retort DOES NOT CENSOR.

Even the most inappropriate commentary is relegated to the children's table of FAILED idears on the "recently deleted comments" page.

No wonder the r'tards gripe so much about not enough "good news" comin' outta Iranquistan..They're not payin' the right people to make it up....

You quibbled about the word "promised" and so I needed to clarify that "statement" for you.

One would think you could stay within a decade or at least one man. But of course this war was about many things however, WMD's and and a threat to the US was not among them. Thanks for admitting as much.

This thread has been CENSORED!!!!

More likely a need for a respite from your rabid non medicated tirade was felt in order.

Be Well, Take your meds..

Spud sputters, "This thread is on the front page of the weblog. WTF are you talking about?"

I'm talking about the Drudge Retort's "News Weblog".

"Rcade posts about three or four topics a day."

Okay, and so what? This thread not on the weblog was posted by Zap.

"Wot part of any of that do you FAIL to get?"

I'm happy to have all the negative attention any of you can provide, Deth, and I can notice little things like this, as I please. When I looked this morning, I didn't see the $300 Mil thread on the frontpage, so I looked in the News Weblog for the link. I didn't find it, so I re-checked the frontpage -- it still wasn't apparent to me.

I then did a search to find the thread, but the only reference on the internet was to personal blogs of Drudge members. So, I re-checked the frontpage and weblog without luck. I had to go to my personal blog entry page to find the link.

The site may pick and choose what is published on the internet, it is certainly their right as owners. However, if that choice to remove from publication involves a thread I have posted to, I'll continue to be overjoyed at the apparent display of partisan bias in that right they exercise.

Keep up the obsession with making me the subject, though, Spud, and since it confirms the effectiveness of the words I type.

This thread not on the weblog was posted by Zap.

Zap?

News to me..

the effectiveness of the words I type.

Effectiveness?

You use this word...

This thread not on the weblog was posted by Zap.

~Tardowe

Zap?

News to me..

~Zap.

Spud just clicked on Zap's name at the bottom of Zap's last post.

Took Spud right to Zap's Blog.

This thread is definitely on it.

Tad, on the other hand, is definitely out of it.

On Topic?

300 million fer propaganda in Iraq that the admin will then turn around and try to use to describe how swell things are going over there?

Yeesh!

Are they sending "Stretch" Armstrong Williams over there too?

Be Well.

/Also, why does Tad still keep saying "weblog"?
//When giving an internet address does he still say W W W Dot beforehand?

Deth is rotten, "Some folks do [want the USA to remove all military defenses overseas]. They just aint the ones in power ...yet."

Much to your regret, I'm sure. After all, you would like South Korea to be defenseless against the massive socialist military machine in the North. You would like to see Japan so weakened in its defense, also, I expect. That's why you allude to the ones in power not the right ones ...yet.

When asked to explain why S. Korea, Japan, Europe, et al don't ask for the USA to leave, Spud drools a little, "Esplain it? O-tay, some of it has to do with inertia, some with fear and some with the whole "putting money into the economy" thang you alluded to earlier."

Not their defense against the socialists you admire as the ones not "yet" in power?

"Spud aint saying that this is happening overnight just that it is happening and that it's all sorta inevitable."

The Neo-Communist International, right? Your apparent heroes who will eventually defeat the defense against them that the USA provides in defense of democaracy and freedom?

"No Tad, that's the job of the corporate media or hadn't you figured that out yet?"

What I see is the "corporate media" supporting B. Hussein Obama - is that what you mean?

"Actually, the USSR lost the cold war all on their own. Well, at least you didn't try to spin the lie that Ronnie Raygun did it all himself with his own bare hands as some r-tards around here continue to believe."

Of course not! Imagine me trying to convince a Leftist and, or Democrat who can only recognize the accomplishments of their fellow Democrats, and can only support the wars they engage in performing!?!

Only Democrat US presidents can go to war to end genocide - not any Republican president for the same reason *PLUS*! No Leftist foreign agent would EVER acknowledge ANY success by a Republican to end Soviet efforts to rule the world via communism. Are you actually that dim to suppose so?

"Interesting assemblage of words, Tad. Did Sarah Palin's speech writers help you out with that one?"

Look, Deth, I appreciate the attentions you provide and the support for my reasoning you demonstrate by that negative compulsion, but you are really starting to snowball your hyperbole!

Get a grip! I'm not running for Republican office!

Hi Zap! Here's what starts this thread, above, at the tippy top:

US Will Spend $300 Million in Iraq for Positive Press

The Defense Department will pay private U.S. contractors in Iraq up to $300 million over the next three years to produce news stories, entertainment programs and public service advertisements for the Iraqi media in an effort to "engage and inspire" the local population to support U.S. objectives and the Iraqi government.

Posted by Zap at 04:33 PM | 275 COMMENTS | permalink | Comment on This Entry | ShareThis

Hi Zap! Here's what starts this thread, above, at the tippy top:

Indeed, your point?

Deth spuds, "Spud just clicked on Zap's name at the bottom of Zap's last post. Took Spud right to Zap's Blog. This thread is definitely on it."

That's what I already said, Deth, but I'm sure your attention wouldn't allow you to understand what you read.

The fact remains that this thread is not listed on the Drudge Retort's "News Weblog". That's what I have said and it remains true, after just having checked again.

I can characterise that effort, their right, at picking and choosing and labeling it "censorship", because that is exactly what such "choice" represents!

What amazes me, is that with the thread not being published (apparently on purpose) and what that might mean to the face of Leftism/Drudgism, that you all insist on keeping it active by trying to make me into the subject to revile instead of $300 million for "good press"!

Are you all actually this dense?

Zap asks, "Indeed, your point?"

Well, Zap, if you didn't start this thread with the #300 Million article, I apologise. Somehow, the site makes it look like you posted it at 04:33 on Friday. How did that happen?

The fact remains that this thread is not listed on the Drudge Retort's "News Weblog". That's what I have said and it remains true, after just having checked again.

Yes it is. Click "Read Older Entries"

The News Weblog goes by date/time.

Zap asks, "At what address is it missing?"

I didn't say any "address" was missing. I said that the Drudge Retort's "News Weblog" did not list this thread in Friday's list of posted articles. You seem to be confusing the Drudge Retort's "Frontpage" with the "News Weblog".

Not a criticism, you understand? I wouldn't mock your ilk's disability in having poor attention to detail. I hope it improves, as a matter of fact.

So you all can "Be Well" ...

But assuming censorship is so much more Paranoid Conspiratorial or as we say here Tad Like...

Anyway, and whatever, I'm out of here again for awhile.

Thanks Rogers, or staff, for a fun ride, and I couldn't do it without the communist ilk lurking on this site and their efforts to revile and dehumanize their fellow man for votes.

You party over nation Democrats are becoming quite well known, now, after over 4 years of war profiteering by subverting the success of a war that all the USA is fighting, not just Republicans and other American heroes: our soldiers.

Kush mir en toches commies ...

did not list this thread in Friday's list of posted articles.

My original post could well have been Thursday. My bet is it was put on the front page on Friday.

Why again is this important?

Tadowe must have found the "Read Older Entries" link.

You party over nation Democrats are becoming quite well known, now, after over 4 years of war profiteering by subverting the success of a war that all the USA is fighting, not just Republicans and other American heroes: our soldiers.

Please seek help........

I can characterise that effort, their right, at picking and choosing and labeling it "censorship", because that is exactly what such "choice" represents!

Yes Tad and then Spud can characterise you as being an underly (possibly overly) medicated madman who's still swinging at ghosts from the cold war.

That's how blogworld/free speech works.

Spud read yer last posts, nothing on topic and an army of dead straw soldiers.

You must be so proud of you.

Is Spud proud of you? Not so much.

Who wins Spud's covetted Post o' the Thread?

The Wily Apiarist!

When we spend our money and busy our time trying to make another country's citizens be more like Americans we invariably become less American.

#14 | Posted by k_g_beekeeper

QFT.

Be Well.

Conflating Iraq with the Civil War? TAD sees and understands only as much as he wants, which isn't much.

Hi, again!

I just wanted to acknowledge that the reference to the article is now on the Drudge Retort's "News Weblog".

I'm glad I could finally make someone understand where the missing reference happened to be, and so that they could now put it there.

Yav chimes in, "Tadowe must have found the "Read Older Entries" link."

I looked back to long before Friday's posts in the News Weblog, and over-and-over. However, I understand your obsession with me and the urge it impells in your ilk to make me the subject.

For Zap - my interest is in the concept of a site dedicated to political intransigence, and created for the icons of that image: Yellow-Dog-Democrats.

You all will dehumanize for votes, and just like the Joseph Goebbles of history have done against this-or-that "Juden". You'll do anything in your power to hold party over nation, if it means more votes for your gang of backstabbing anti-patriots.

I like to notice that effort on the part of the American Neo-Communists who label themselves "Progressives" and subvert the success of a US war for votes for Democrats.

You all provide fine examples of that sort of tacit treason in muckraking for votes. It is certainly your right as US citizens to revile your nation and seek victory for its opponents. However, it gives you all the appearance of being goosestepping, verbal baton wielding, Democrat stormtroopers, ever ready to bash in the head of any neo-Juden they identify for attack.

I'll end with Huxley's coda to "Ape and Essence",

The Leech's Kiss
The Squid's embrace
The prurient ape's defiling touch
And do I like the human race?
No, not much

"You will all dehumanize for votes...."

We just try to learn at teh feet of the Master, TAD.

GREAT ENTERTAINMENT !!!

THANKS TAD !!

why shouldn't the u.s. pay for this? we pay dearly for p.b.s. - the channel for the left. think of it as equal opportunity broadcasting.

IT'S A FREE-FOR-ALL! only it comes at a price.

carry on.

Nanc-
Have you ever watched PBS?

" the channel for the left "

-nanc

Sorry if you think Wife Swap is more important than Nova, but it's hardly surprising, since you're mentally defective.

Nanc-
Did you ever watch "Sesame Street"?

Seriously, Nanc, didn't you watch PBS as a kid? Didn't your parents encourage you to watch "Sesame Street" to learn your alphabet?

While every other channel was feeding you crap in between the important and overarching task of getting you to want the latest sugar-coated cereal or teaching you to have a perverse and inexplicable desire to visit "McDonald-land", didn't your parents appreciate a channel that was not driven by advertising?

Haven't you used PBS as a safe alternative for TV for your children, upset at the crap that was on every other station where the content was merely a filler in between commercials enticing your children to hound you for the latest crap in "Happy Meals", or pushing the Type II Diabetes food of the day?

BET-
Growing up in RI we had WGBH, which I think is one of the major PBS stations in the nation. One of my earliest TV recollections was Masterpiece Theatre and things like The Six Wives of Henry VIII.

Later, I found the Ken Burns "Baseball" documentary very interesting and some of the concerts they air during pledge season are pretty cool.

Never got into Sesame Street or Electric Company. Our kids weren't, either. With the advent of videos were able to provide suitable programming - things like "Why God Hates Fags" ... "Proper Dress Code for the Discerning Klansman" ... and "Why Mommy Digs the Mailman."

You can be funny when you want to be. Watch PBS for a week and tell me what you think.

" One of my earliest TV recollections was Masterpiece Theatre and things like The Six Wives of Henry VIII."

Remember Firing Line with Bill Buckley? Watching him go up against John Galbraith, George McGovern, Noam Chomsky, etc., was always a treat.

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I remember the show but rarely ever watched it. My folks weren't much into politics or religion - at least as I recall growing up.

I remember my mom watching Julia Child and that stoner dude doing his painting.

Not the whole Canterbury Tales... just the first portion of it. It's quite long and pretty much like learning a new language.

"Watch PBS for a week and tell me what you think." - BET

Other than weekend sports and occasionally O'Reilly I don't watch much TV. I'm normally in bed by 9pm. These Red Sox/Angels games are depriving me of my beauty sleep. Trust me, I need all I can get.

Besides, BET, what if my Neocon friends found out? I'd lose my membership in the He Man Gay Women Haters Club.

Oohrah-
I never would have guessed that you were gay, and my gaydar is usually pretty reliable. But thanks for sharing :)

Oohrah-
You know I'm just fucking with you, I hope. You are actually one of the more consistently reasonable posters on the blog.

Remember The Our Gang comedies? Spanky sought to revoke someone's (Alfalfa?) membership. I think REO Speedwagon used that audio as an intro to one of its songs on its Hi Infidelity album.

"You are actually one of the more consistently reasonable posters on the blog." - BET

((In my best 101Chairborne voice))

F*CK YOU

BET-
Does that get a FF? I'm laughing out loud when I ought to be on the edge of my seat - game's in the 10th inning.

#309 | Posted by OohRah

LOL !!! FF

betelg - i just recently cancelled our local programming from our satellite package - we only kept it for the local weather, but then discovered there's an interactive thingy on our weather channel where we can get it without paying the extra charges for local programming. yes, i've watched pbs, but we've also made donations - what's your point? i mean besides something a hat wouldn't cover?

zat - i haven't watched network programming for a number of years - what is "wife swap"? don't tell me they have "x" rated programs on the networks now? i twll you, when the last "carol burnett" show was on was the day hollywood died for me.

betelg - i was a kid in the sixties - we didn't stay inside long enough to watch t.v. much less long enough to take our baths before bed - life was an adventure back then - skinned knees, broken bones and all.