not the slack-jawed bumpkin

a bunch of low expectation mother fuckers

Palin won -- tie on debate, but Palin wore her hair down so that gave her the clear edge.

rcade:

You've got it right. So right, in fact, that there probably won't be a lot of discussion on this thread.

Palin did not actually disgrace herself, but Ifill let Palin get away with running her own agenda when it came to answering questions, and I think that counts against Caribou Barbie in the end - we got a Veep that doesn't answer questions that don't suit him, and we ain't lookin' for another. And Palin's Fromage Factor was incredibly high - that wink was straight out of a used-car-lot commercial.

Biden did a fine job of connecting McCain to the failures of eight years' worth of Republican economic and foreign policy. I do, however, wish he wouldn't smile quite so much - showing all those teeth makes him look like a Buick.

Palin was well rehearsed, with the exception of punting with her "I heart Cheney" but seriously-Joe mopped the floor with her as the Veep you'd want the in the "Day after Dallas" scenario.

I'm still trying to figure out how 7 homes, 13 cars (unless 12 are on blocks) a personal jet and a hundred million dollars makes you "main Street" though...

You betcha Rcade......;)

There's no crying in VP Debates. Palin won.

Well, doggoneit. . .
Yup!

YOu mean bo didnt embararass himself with all the mumbling, that was not slack jawed? All 57 states I have been in it is. HaHa.

Scoreboard Wis!

See you in a month.....

showing all those teeth makes him look like a Buick.

#3 | Posted by MaryTylerWhore

AAAAAAA- HHHHAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

FF

I love the guy. He is a real person. I told you guys on here as soon as Obama won the nomination that he should pick Biden. some of you said I was crazy (which is mostly true, but I was right).

Imagine a person, who is the chariman of the Council for Foriegn Relations, taking the train home everyday to be with his family.

This, my friends, is what america used to be all about back when we had a rule of law and businesses had ethics.

Biden won this debate by the same measure that Obama won the last debate. Niether hit a home-run but both demonstrated intelligence and defined a difference between themselves and Bushco/McSame/Cheney/Rove. Also, they both looked and acted more presidential.

Obama - 7 of 10
McCain - 3 of 10

Biden - 6 of 10
Palin - 3 of 10.

I do not feel sorry for McSame/Palin. they built this straw house and now they must live in it. McCain 1.0 would not have been in the shape McCain 2.0 (with the Bush add-on) is in.

Scoreboard Wis!

See you in a month.....

#9 | Posted by Manypaths

Huh?

"Huh?"

#11 | Posted by wisgod

Keep moving, and try not to stare.

Scoring the debate I would say Biden and Palin did much better than both the presidential candidates. What does that tell you about who we have to vote for.

I watched for about 5 - 10 minutes. They both used campaign propaganda full of lies and misleading facts.

Politics sucks.

Obama 338 McCain 185 Ties 15

Sarah Palin has prove herself to be nothing more than a coquette. She winks and shrugs like a vacuous little starlet.

Keep moving, and try not to stare.

#12 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

Huh?

"There's no crying in VP Debates. Palin won."

Would you have the same opinion if the debate had been held one week after the convention, and without the Couric and Gibson interview hanging over her? I seriously doubt it.

Palin "won" in beating the spread - that is, most of us thought it was going to be a laugh riot when she displayed the sheer incompetence she displayed in those interviews. But she did much better than we expected.

Absent the expectations she set in those interviews, she was God Awful. The post debate polls show that. She did nothing to help McCain, she simply upgraded her label from "moron" to "not qualified"...

hey, i heard obama walks on water!

yeah, a shame really...he never learned how to swim.

Joe is the grand master at lying. What did you expect pir?

The only truth he told is how he screwed Bork.

"Imagine a person, who is the chariman of the Council for Foriegn Relations, taking the train home everyday to be with his family."

Why is this made a big deal of? Some people choose to move their family closer to the capitol - they all go home to see their family too. For whatever reason Biden wanted his family to stay in Delaware - so he goes home and sees them on a train. So what?

The bar was set really low for Palin.

She basically did not have to implode for the righties to declare mission accomplished.

Heckuva candidate there.

It had a good beat and was easy to dance to; I gave it a 92.

"and don't bill the taxpayers to do it."

He was following the laws.

BTW, I feel Palin made two serious tactical errors.

One was wearing her hair down. It made her look like the sort of woman who clings to her high-school yearbook look years after she should have moved on. It also gave Biden a serious height advantage when the two of them shook hands after the debate - with that glued-on smile of hers, Palin looked as if she were looking up adoringly at the Dweat Big Mans. Her French-twist look would have been more professional.

The other was that "May I call you Joe?" business. She's either his equal or she's not - asking his permission just made her look deferential.

Very good article, RCade. Pointed and pithy.

So the Dems think Palin did better than they thought, but still lost. And the Repubs think Palin won clearly.

What a surprise. I do think it's amusing that I'm supposed to be so impressed by the "chariman of the Council for Foriegn Relations, taking the train home everyday to be with his family", but not impressed by Palin, who does just as much--if not more--in that respect.

I guess that is what being "blindly partisan" means. Gonna be a fun four years, when the DR lefties realize not only that McCain is like Bush's third term, but that Obama is also. But they'll be too stupid to know it. Packaging, and all that. Carl Lewis instead of Mary Lou, on the Wheaties box.

G0bama! What a joke.

The other was that "May I call you Joe?" business. She's either his equal or she's not - asking his permission just made her look deferential.

Sara asking Joe for his autograph at the end didn't help either.

RisR,

You had better start getting used to it.

"There's no crying in VP Debates. Palin won.

#6 | Posted by wisgod"

Apparently there IS crying in Milwaukee.

Sarah Palin is just an Alaskan version of a Valley Girl. You know like fer shure totally radical. You know like gag Me with a spoon.

Larry

On the bright side-there's no way Mcsame can dump Palin now. Ya know, he'd jast be lookin' sexist. Or, say we say her on main Street, ya can't be makin' moose meat stew without shootin' a few mooses.
Caribou barbie want ta be changin' John's position on Anwar:
"Can I drill, John? can I please drill? Pretty please? Please?Please? Please? Gosh, your no fun anymore. Where's Brad?"

Apparently there IS crying in Milwaukee.

#30 | Posted by Snark_Needleton

Not from me Needle. I'm voting for Cynthia McKenney.

Brewers. Talkin' baseball.

Brewers. Talkin' baseball.

#34 | Posted by Snark_Needleton

Yeah, but the Cubbies are taking the edge off.

That's comedy gold.

Gonna be a fun four years, when the DR lefties realize not only that McCain is like Bush's third term, but that Obama is also.

You sound like the people who said in 2000 that there wasn't a difference between Bush and Gore.

Obama's not going to appoint right-wing jurists to the Supreme Court. He's not going to continue the war without end in Iraq. He's not going to tax health insurance benefits as income. He's going to support universal health care. On these and a hundred other things, he differs from McCain.

Gonna be a fun four years, when the DR lefties realize not only that McCain is like Bush's third term, but that Obama is also. But they'll be too stupid to know it.

#27 | Posted by rightisright at 2008-10-03 11:41 AM

Congratulations, RiR wins the first Moment of Clarity (tm) Award of the month!

Thanks for playing, and keep up the good work.

"RiR wins the first Moment of Clarity"

Unaware of the differences on the tax code, Iraq, and the SCOTUS?!? How is that clarity?

You sound like the people who said in 2000 that there wasn't a difference between Bush and Gore.

I'll never forgive Ralph Nader for being one of them.

I'll never forgive Ralph Nader for being one of them.

#41 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

Right, it was Nader's fault. Here we go again.

but I betcha she didn't win many votes for McCain.

I agree. Her support hasn't been about her knowledge or ability to converse or debate with experienced folks like Biden anyway.

It wasn't going to matter one way or the other very much.

Danforth You have to understand the Right Wingers of today live in fantasyland. It's all those mindmelds they try to do on each other. They would be better off drinking some Vulcan mind probes. It would suit them just fine.

Larry

"Gonna be a fun four years, when the DR lefties realize not only that McCain is like Bush's third term, but that Obama is also. But they'll be too stupid to know it."

Keep telling yourself that RisR but something tells me there will be major changes in taxation, foreign policy, energy policy, corporate regulation. health care, and probably other things I'm not thinking about right now.

Not so fast, RCade:

Obama's not going to appoint right-wing jurists to the Supreme Court.

True, but he's not going to get left-wing jurists approved either.

He's not going to continue the war without end in Iraq.

Don't hold your breath...his "plan" only differs from McCain and the JCOS in that he is "promising" a 16 month drawdown, which promise he will break if conditions indicate otherwise. We will have 30,000+ troops in Iraq long after the Obamessiah is gone.

He's not going to tax health insurance benefits as income.

Most economists think you are wrong, since Congress would need to find some other way to make up that revenue (raise taxes on the Middle Class? You bet!) The politically safe thing to do is to wait until he is a lame duck, then try to make the change. If an examination of Barack's legislative record is any indication, he will take the safe road.

He's going to support universal health care.

That worked out sooooo well for the Clintons.

He may "differ" from McCain, but the Executive has only so much direct power (outside of Foreign Policy, that is.)

So I guess after her I-didn't-totally-stink performance, the Hee Haw Hockey mom will be giving her first press conference today. Right?

You sound like the people who said in 2000 that there wasn't a difference between Bush and Gore.

* * * *

Those people were right. And I was wrong.

"We will have 30,000+ troops in Iraq long after the Obamessiah is gone"

Beats 150,000. Did you bet the farm on the Cubs this year, too?

In the interview McCain and Palin did with Couric, McCain said, after interuptinig Palin to answer Couric for her, "I'll let Sarah speak for herself." That's the last thing in the world John McCain wants Palin to do. Contrary to the conservative talking points, McCain does not want Palin to be Palin. He wants her to be the embodiment of talking points spiller, Main Street mom, executive experience governor and right-wing vote getter. If all else fails, he just wants her to look good, smile and wink for the camera and the audience. Oh, and he wants her take her gun and shoot a few holes in the proverbial glass ceiliing, making sure she doesn't shoot him down or herself in the foot in the process.

"The only truth he told is how he screwed Bork."

You better fire up the swiftboats crybabys!

I wonder if rightisright has enough integrity to admit he was wrong:

True, but he's not going to get left-wing jurists approved either.

Of course he will. Obama, if elected, will have a Democratic Congress. He'll replace Stevens with another Breyer or Ginsburg and may get other appointments as well.

Keep telling yourself that RisR but something tells me there will be major changes in taxation, foreign policy, energy policy, corporate regulation. health care, and probably other things I'm not thinking about right now.

#45 | Posted by danni
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It'll be Obama keeping troops in Iraq, Obama cutting taxes for his corporate pals at Fannie and Freddie, Obama opening up new fronts in Afghanistan and Pakistan, Obama allowing offshore drilling, and Obama proposing, then forgetting about, universal health care. And those other things you're not thinking about? They don't matter. Because until you learn that the only difference between Barack and Hillary or W or McCain is style, not substance, you won't care.

That worked out sooooo well for the Clintons.

It isn't 1992 any more. Health care is in a much bigger mess today than it was then. Costs are out of control and more people are being bankrupted by health care costs.

Did you bet the farm on the Cubs this year, too?

#49 | Posted by Snark_Needleton at 2008-10-03 12:11 PM

Since you are relatively new here, I will let that one pass.

P.S. BillOfidian, have you been watching the NLDS? Go Blue!

The bar was low for Palin. It was set to Try to sound more intelligent than the the Couric interview.

In that she succeded.

But someone should have said:

BITCH answer the damn question that was asked!!!

"the only difference between Barack and Hillary or W or McCain is style, not substance"

And the Supreme Court.

And borrowing money to eliminate a tax which only effects multi-millionaires and billionaires.

And Iraq.

Three big ones, and not the whole list.

It isn't 1992 any more. Health care is in a much bigger mess today than it was then. Costs are out of control and more people are being bankrupted by health care costs.

#55 | Posted by rcade at 2008-10-03 12:15 PM

True, but the whole concept still scares Middle America. I really don't think that the current concept of "Universal Health Care" as defined by the Dems has a chance of passing through Congress. Something needs to be done, but a lot of work needs to be done on a resolution then some copy of the Canadian system.

"Those people were right."

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight...because Alito and Roberts would be on the Supreme Court under President Gore, tax cuts would have been given to the wealthiest, and we would still have had the largest deficits known to man since the dawn of time.

Lay off the Kool-Aid, man.

I don't think Al Gore would have spent $650,000,000,000 on a war in Iraq. Granted, he probably would have spent it on something else.

"Those people were right. And I was wrong."

#48 | Posted by rightisright

I wonder if rightisright has enough integrity to admit he was wrong:

Wow, what an idiot.

Thanks for the reminder Truth.

Easy for him to say he wouldn't have invaded Iraq. But all through, he was saying that Iraq had WMD's. And while it's obviously true that Alito and Roberts wouldn't have been on the Supreme Court, the hundreds of billions in deficit spending would've gone elsewhere. And if you think otherwise, prove it.

"Granted, he probably would have spent it on something else."

Probably something worthless like infrastructure, or the electrical grid.

Whereas Boy George blew it on lottery tickets.

"all through, he was saying that Iraq had WMD's."

So? There is bellicose talk today about Pakistan and Iran. If President Obama invades Iran, can we blame McCain?

Oh. I was wrong about Barney Frank. Apologies to everyone.

"I don't think Al Gore would have spent $650,000,000,000 on a war in Iraq. Granted, he probably would have spent it on something else."

I dislike Al Gore intensely but that probably isn't true.

But if he did find a way to blow that much money without benefitting Americans in any way, 4,000+ American soldiers wouldn't have had to die for him to accomplish it.

We'd of been better off having a giant cash bonfire.

"while it's obviously true that Alito and Roberts wouldn't have been on the Supreme Court, the hundreds of billions in deficit spending would've gone elsewhere. "

Gore cut his teeth on Clinton's approach to the economy. Clinton delivered true surplus budgets to the doorstep of his successor. Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy just about equal the deficits.

You're whistling past the graveyard. Whatever one's political bent, I believe we can all agree taking deficits and delivering a surplus is better than George Bush's polar opposite.

The main thing that this thread reveals is that no one was changed by anything.

The usual assortment of rigid righties try to spin it to Sarah's advantage. You know, objective and all that. This ties right in with the lipsticked pig badges distributed at Demo headquarters during the debate party. As someone posted yesterday, they'll say she won if she simply didn't shit in her pants. Okay, she didn't.

The underlying message from the Far Right is more disturbing. These loonies will not fall in to unite under an Obama-Biden administration and a heavily Democratic congress. They will drag their feet and screamobscenities all the way. Hell, the "Impeach Barack" bumper stickers probably are being printed as we speak. herm

"the hundreds of billions in deficit spending would've gone elsewhere. And if you think otherwise, prove it."

How the fuck do you prove what Al Gore would have done during a hypothetical presidency?

You have way more common sense than that....

He's going to support universal health care.

Really? All I see is universal health INSURANCE - which sure the hell ain't health care. The only difference between a John Mc and Barack Obama presidency is the color of the dude piloting the Titanic...oh, and one can shoot a jump shot...

You have way more common sense than that....

#72 | Posted by Sully
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I know. You can't prove a negative. And I'm sick and tired of hearing that had Al Gore won the presidency, we would have had budget surpluses, and end to global warming, universal health care for everyone, peace in the Middle East, and nirvana everywhere. It's stupid. You can't pretend that Gore would have governed anything like Clinton did; they couldn't stand each other. Still can't.

The underlying message from the Far Right is more disturbing. These loonies will not fall in to unite under an Obama-Biden administration and a heavily Democratic congress.
* * * *

Yes. It's so disturbing that all of America doesn't see what you so clearly do. It's almost a shame we can't have a bunch of concentration camps for all those who are just not as enlightened as the Herms of the world.

Hopefully I didn't just give the Obamites a good idea.

All I see is universal health INSURANCE - which sure the hell ain't health care.

Say what? Health insurance is what pays for health care. Universal health insurance and universal health care are the same thing.

"It's almost a shame we can't have a bunch of concentration camps"

Godwin's law so early?

The desperation is strong with this one.

Health insurance is what pays for health care. Universal health insurance and universal health care are the same thing.

Well, a certain number of leties here consistently insist that it isn't the same thing. That health insurance doesn't pay for medical care very well at all and the insurance companies make huge money NOT paying claims and providing shitty service.

On top of that it is too expensive anyway so it doesn't matter. Again, I paraphrase many on the left here.

Obama's not going to appoint right-wing jurists to the Supreme Court.
#37 | Posted by rcade

I hope he doesn't appoint left-wing jurists.

As President, the Jurist should do their job without leaning either way. Stick to the Constitution and the laws as written. If Congress didn't write the law correctly, say so. Judge with the blindfold, please.

"And I'm sick and tired of hearing that had Al Gore won the presidency, we would have had budget surpluses, and end to global warming, universal health care for everyone, peace in the Middle East, and nirvana everywhere. It's stupid. "

I very much doubt he would have invaded Iraq but I generally agree with what you are saying.

Godwin's law so early?

The desperation is strong with this one.

#77 | Posted by Danforth
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Not exactly. Your pal Herm was bemoaning the fact that we can't have a one-party state, with all of us dutifully genuflecting before the allmighty Obama. So, he was first.

What is up with that animated handbag that Sara keeps toting around?

Is that a Swatch brand?

You can't pretend that Gore would have governed anything like Clinton did;
#74 | Posted by rightisright

No, but it's a good bet he wouldn't have governed like Bush did, and that is what the conversation is actually about.

No, but it's a good bet he wouldn't have governed like Bush did, and that is what the conversation is actually about.

Posted by TFDNihilist

you can't go back and make gore not look like a bafoon and a pansie when was running for president.

Sarah Palin either could not or would not name a single newspaper or magazine that she reads. She couldn't think of one. Not the New York Times, the Daily News, the Washington Post, the Chicago Tribune. Not Time, Newsweek, U.S. News & World Reports. Hell, she couldn't even think of a local paper in Alaska. Sarah Palin, by the way, has a degree in Journalism. No shit.

It ok Truth.

She isn't fooling enough people.

Damn it. Linky no work.

The question was "What happened to Joe Biden's eye?

The answer: He was mauled by a cougar.

Ok, now I get it.

A: Joe Biden was mauled by a cougar.

It seems to be that at least one in three Americans demand their leaders talk down to them, treating them like children who don't deserve details, let alone detailed policy discussion. This time around, they've outdone themselves. It is a truly proud day in 33% land ... golly shucks, say it ain't so, white flag, don't look back, maverick, *wink*.

instead of saying that the bar was low, lets just say that the left had low expectations of her.
NOT US ON THE right or anyone who had the time to watch the alaska debates and saw that she could do the good job that she did.
what I liked a lot was that there seemed to be little animosity between the two and I never got the idea that joe was worried about how he was talking to her or treating her
and thats how it should be........now if the left would just agree to the same thing when it comes to telling the truth about thier bullshit, then we might actually have something going........

even on cnn....one of the leftists there said at times that joe seemed to be reading points from paper and sarah was talking right to camera.......

all in all I wish they would go again and leave the other two out.

what do some of you think about that????????

And Rcade said he doesn't mind being called a socialist either!

Interesting!

This was the highest rated debate since 1992 and it wasn't because Joe Biden was in it.

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By using the same standards employed by the pundits and media as the first debate with McCain and Obama--Sarah won this debate.

Biden was up to his expected performance and hit nothing out of the park. He was giving his pat answers same as Obama's and attacking McCain. There were some serious problems with factcheck.

Sarah was direct with her answers--attacked Obama and knew the issues.

So if the debate was a tie or even towards Biden without a homerun--by the standards given to Obama--Sarah won.

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Poor Null--he must have had a hairball in his throat because he kept posting "Aflac" all night.

________

I watched 45 minutes of this debate in a hotel bar/dining room with 75 people.

They were mesmerized. The comments were all about Sarah and how she was performing. They were all positive--really really positive.

I think sometimes we here on the DR are in our own political junkie bubble.

We sometimes are so much in our fish bowl that we forget or ignore the regular folks out there in America.

When there is someone from outside Washington with a flare--a talent-- for connecting with regular folks presented to us, people in the fish bowl sometimes can't see it, recognize it, deny it, or refuse to acknowledge it.

If anyone caught the Frank Luntz findings with Independent/Leaning voters--that proves what is the same inside the fish bowl--is not the same as what is outside the fish bowl scenario.

All of them thought Sarah won the debate. You can argue that the expectations were so low--blah blah blah. But it doesn't matter.

Those voters all thought Sarah had shown herself to be intelligent, direct, knew the issues and connected with them personally. That my friends is a gift.

Even the younger black woman raised her hand to confirm she was now going to vote for McCain because of Sarah.

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Now excuse me while I go take a swim..;o)

I effin' called it that she would do well and win!

You socialists can't admit when you're wrong anymore than you can admit that Pat Robertson's "prophecy" that Bush would win in '04 was right on!

"This was the highest rated debate since 1992 and it wasn't because Joe Biden was in it."

It was like going to watch a cheap carnival pull into town. Biden was the townie and Palin the carney.

but you have to admit.......it was more entertaining than the one last friday night....

something about that twinkle in her eye a couple of times

I am PRETTY SUre that she was coming on to me knowing that I was sitting there.......dont you?????

Biden's biggest blunder--which the MSM will likely not talk about was this--

On the foreign policy front, Biden challenged Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin when she said Barack Obama's pledge to meet with any foreign leaders, including Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, without precondition "goes beyond naivete and goes beyond poor judgment."

Biden lectured Palin, "That's just simply not true about Barack Obama. He did not say he'd sit down with Ahmadinejad." During the YouTube Democratic primary debate last July Obama was asked if he would meet the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba, and North Korea without "precondition" during his first year in office.

"I would," he replied.

Biden appeared to attack Obama for making that very statement in August 2007. While Biden was challenging Obama for the Democratic nomination for president Biden said he would not support such a pledge. "Would I make a blanket commitment to meet unconditionally with the leaders of each of those countries within the first year I was elected president?" he said in an appearance at the National Press Club. "Absolutely positively no."

Expected questions with ready answers.

I noticed Palin read from her notes a lot.

I noticed Palin read from her notes a lot.

#100 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-10-03 03:46 PM | Reply

Did you happen to notice that Biden didn't even know his own closing statement? I'l bet he spent the first half of his closing remarks reading from his note cards.
If there's one thing they should have down pat, it would be their closing remarks.

What am I saying, of course you didn't notice. Too busy drooling over your Phelps poster.

"Sarah was direct with her answers--attacked Obama and knew the issues."

Bullshit. She blathered to waste time and avoided the real questions for the rest, falling back on her talking points and rehearsed non-answers.

If it had been a real debate where Biden could directly challenge Palin's statements we would have seen Couricinterviewesk type answers and behavior. Unfortunately, this "debate" included little thinking on one's feet and therefore shows us little of the true Sara Palin.

Unfortunately, this "debate" included little thinking on one's feet and therefore shows us little of the true Sara Palin.

#102 | Posted by jpw at 2008-10-03 04:01 PM | Reply

If Palin knew anything beyond her coached words she would have nailed Bidens ass to the wall for his bogus number spewing.
Hell, the moderator could have done the same.

I still think Biden won because he looked so much more at ease, but to pretend he had full command of the issues would be quite a stretch (making up numbers and stories doesn't mean you know what you're talking about).

Lol, she started the debate basically saying she wasn't going to partake in the debate and just talk about 2 issues she is comfortable with.

Too bad the moderator let her.

#103 | Posted by 101Chairborne

if you compare records, you will see that mr biden has been much more successful in the senate than mr mcsame.

And Rcade said he doesn't mind being called a socialist either! Interesting!

Read the papers, man. The whole country's gone socialist. Bernie Sanders was just the first to do it.

I saw this during the debates was not sure what to think. Look at the wire draped over Palin's right shoulder.

Was she being fed answers?

Is that why she was only shown from the front, directly looking into the camera?

Am I Crazy?

What do you think?

Prolix-
I think you are crazy.

I thought it was cool when Palin got the Afghanistan commander's name wrong, while claiming to know exactly what he had said (she was wrong on that too).

I very well could be but I did not see the same thing with Biden.

What a bullshitter Biden is. I live in Wilmington, DE, and I shop and browse in the Home Depot he claimed he's been in and on a very regular basis since I'm a private contractor and I have yet to see the stupid lieing bullshitter ONE time...What a STUPID ASSHOLE Biden is---I counted at least 7 lies in the "debate" he told and I'm sure there's more. If anybody is DUMB enough to put these 2 dumb clowns (Obama & Biden) in office you should get your head out of your ass and wake up before it's too late.

"What a bullshitter Biden is."

Is that supposed to be some profound insight that just flashed into your horizon?

He's a professional Senator.

Chairs the Foreign Relations Committee.

Duh.

Eden-
Very compelling. You've never seen Biden at the Home Depot, so he is lying.

"Professional Senator"? You gotta be joking...the confidence the voting public had in him when he ran for President in the primary was less than 1%. He is nothing but a bloviating, pompous, lieing asshole. Check out what he's done for the "common man" in Delaware which is how he likes to portray himself as being. I hope he shows up at Home Depot this weekend. I can't wait...Haha

If Biden SKIPS the incredibly boring Home Depot, he has my unqualified approval.

But what I'm really wondering right now is who programmed Sarah, and how.

Did Rove (or whoever) tell her that she didn't have to respond to the questions that were asked? Was she coached that if she didn't know an answer, she could just read the cue card she did have in front of her? Did her debate advisor tell her that if all else failed (and it usually did) just bullshit.

As a journalism major, I practiced that. It usually involved rephrasing the question, reframing it to what you think you CAN answer, then say we'll do whatever is in the interest of the American people. herm

Right, it was Nader's fault. Here we go again.
POSTED BY HAGBARD_CELINE

It WAS Nader's fault (and his idiotic voters).

uh... it tells me there is one VP debate and three (2 more) Pres debates.

say bye-bye to sarah folks, that was it.

she won't be reelected in Alaska (gov), so HOPEFU:LY that will kill this absurd noise of her running again (yes for POTUS).

say goodnight gracie.

Setting the bar low for one is the same as setting the bar low for both.

Joe Biden, of course, could have plowed her under with his more extensive knowledge. I give him credit for playing the gentleman and at least giving her an opportunity to show what she had.

It wasn't much so I guess he had nothing to lose.

Palin, on the other hand, was straining hard to make herself appear his equal. She was folksy and anecdotal but obviously had no real knowledge other than what she'd been hastily programmed to say.

I completely understand why McCain wanted the questions and the time allowed for answers truncated.

In spite of McCain's victory lap after the debate (and I use that term loosly) he had no cause to celebrate . . . other than the fact that (1) she didn't trip and fall down, and (2) her answers never went beyond the obvious.

The bar was very low indeed.

I'd guess Palin's going to have a 'debate' with the IRS soon.

Tens of thousands in unreported income as she claimed her home as her primary residence, her husband and children's travel cannot be deducted legally, and Todd's 'snow machine racing' business grossed $17,000, yet after 'home office' expenses he showed a $10,000 loss.

Perhaps their returns wouldn't have enjoyed scrutiny had she not been the VP candidate, but after reading the summary at ABCNEWS.com it would seem she's got some splainin' to do, and probably will have to.

Well, technically it was God's fault. After all he sent Moses down to deliver the 10 Commandments.

Of particular interest: roughly $17,000 in state-issued per diems for evenings spent in her own home in Wasilla. The Washington Post recently reported that the per diems and associated travel costs from the state capital in Juneau for Palin's family could mean a tax liability of more than $60,000 for Palin's first year and a half as governor.

The address listed on the 1040's is Palin's family home in Wasilla, which would seem to suggest Palin considers that, not the governor's mansion in Juneau, her "tax home." However the McCain-Palin campaign maintains that her "tax home" is technically the governor's mansion in Juneau.

The point is potentially significant because any per diems and travel reimbursements received in connection with someone's "tax home" would likely be taxable as income. According to IRS regulations: "If you (and your family) do not live at your tax home (defined earlier), you cannot deduct the cost of traveling between your tax home and your family home. You also cannot deduct the cost of meals and lodging while at your tax home."

The IRS also strictly forbids deductions for expenses incurred bringing a spouse and kids along on a business trip. Tax authorities say any reimbursement for travel costs for family members would likely incur income taxes.

But Palin's tax returns indicate she paid no taxes on the disputed per diems and travel expenses.

She has nothing to worry about AU ~ at least not until after they lose the election.

I hope she's smart enough to realize that she'll be last week's fish wrapper after November 4, 2008 and the guy who loves her so much now won't be returning her phone calls.

Biden schooled Palin in the debate and showed what a pathetic choice McCain made in selecting her. She has no substance and just doesn't get it. Obama will win in a rout.

The TRUE Drudge has Gov. Palin winning better than two to one. Fox News poll of forty or fifty thousand, found Gov.Palin winning by 80%. What shameless spin.

In style, Gov. Palin's fresh and elegant presentation stood in stark contrast to a frowning and angry Biden who shamelessly denied that he had made the severe criticisms of O'bama when running in the primaries, that are a matter of record. His chief strategem was, plainly and simply, to lie. He has been caught out in fourteen lies in the last twenty-four hours.

The TRUE Drudge has Gov. Palin winning better than two to one. Fox News poll of forty or fifty thousand, found Gov.Palin winning by 80%. What shameless spin.

You are right, spin from Faux News and Drudge.

"Call in" polls are popularity contests. Palin is popular with stupid people and the people who have to defend their candidate no matter how pathetic she is.

Call in" polls are popularity contests. Palin is popular with stupid people and the people who have to defend their candidate no matter how pathetic she is.

#125 | Posted by navyvet50

why do you liberal FUCKS have to always include some line like this bullshit
I dont give a damn if you are a navyvet, you are also a liberal fuck who cant keep a civil statement on an issue.
so go fuck yourself

and polls dont mean squat and we all know it..

for sure on cnn when they even admit that they POLL MORE DEMS THAN REPUBLICANS

and thier poll call in ALWAYS FAVOR The dems

well duh.............ITS CNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

and keep your 'stupid' remarks to yourself if any of you liberal fucks EVER want to carry on a debate on an issue........

IM sick of that bullshit and will respond accordingly.............

"why do you liberal FUCKS have to always include some line like this bullshit
I dont give a damn if you are a navyvet, you are also a liberal fuck who cant keep a civil statement on an issue.
so go fuck yourself"

You sure are a stupid fuck, Bushlover.

"and keep your 'stupid' remarks to yourself if any of you liberal fucks EVER want to carry on a debate on an issue........

IM sick of that bullshit and will respond accordingly............."

The DR is trembling in fear at the mighty debating prowess of Bushlover!

Maybe we can make McSame implode as they apparently made Bush Lover Two (are there THREE?) do.

Navy vet is right on. A seminar I took a half century ago debunked the validity of phone-in polls.

And I once felt helpless as the building industry outspent environmentalists by about 100 to one fighting a farmland preservation measure, and spent a day phoning my local paper to endorse "Measure F." I had it passing about eight to one. It lost by about six to one. herm

The debates were very interesting right up until the point that both candidates started to pledge their alligence to Israel. That's when it all hit me that neither candidate is looking out for my best interest, but the interest of Zionist Jews in our backyard. This supporting of Israel is eventually either go to turn this country upside or a full fledge war to protect that piece of land in the middle east that has given the US nothing but problems since 1948. Im actually sick of it and will do everything in my power to make sure my constituents will not succumb to the "cancer" that is AIPAC, UJA, ADL et al. I'll say it again, let Israel protect themselves. That have the nukes, they have the suppose "smarts" and that great military I hear so much about, but never see in action.

Not from me Needle. I'm voting for Cynthia McKenney.
#33 | Posted by wisgod at 2008-10-03 11:46 AM

pssst...there is no such candidate.

and keep your 'stupid' remarks to yourself if any of you liberal fucks EVER want to carry on a debate on an issue........

IM sick of that bullshit and will respond accordingly............."

I hear ice cracking.