Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Thursday, October 02, 2008

Vice presidential candidates Sarah Palin and Joe Biden met Thursday night at Washington University in St. Louis for their first (and only) debate, an eagerly anticipated showdown that matched the two-year Alaskan governor against the 35-year U.S. senator.

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I don't have a crystal ball.

I just don't want to hear about how Joe Biden should treat Palin with kid gloves because she is a women. Both Biden and Palin are competing for the same job, vice-president, so I want to see a regular debate, hopefully about the issues where either side is not afraid to call it like they think it is.

Palin can't lose. Expectations for her are at zero.

Honestly I think the expectations are so incredibly low for Palin that if she manages to string together 3 or 4 complete sentences that stay on topic she'll be considered a winner by many. That's not to say she'll actually win, just be perceived that way. I can't imagine her actually out debating Biden in my worst of nightmares.

China

Airhead Alaska has landed in St. Louis. Get ready to rumble!

"Airhead Alaska has landed in St. Louis."

And she said, "wow, what a big river that is, what is the name?"

"Wow, lotsa people here. It's like a gazillion more bigger than Juneau."

If she doesn't shit her pants on stage it will be a success. Anything more than that and she has exceeded expectations.

Seriously, can anyone truely say that they want her as President? Or even better, that it doesn't scare the shit out of you to think about it happening?

Before her, I could imagine and feel comfortable with a McCain whitehouse, now I just feel sick thinking about it.

The network

If Palin loses, the American people win.

Who Will Win Tonight's Debate?

The local caterers, parking lot owners, and network ratings.

Well, according to the GOP camp, their plan is to "attack" Biden on issues such as his foreign policy stances. Biden is going to go postal. I am stocking up on chips and salsa, beer, and probably shots for each time Palin says she'll have to "get back to you."

""Wow, lotsa people here. It's like a gazillion more bigger than Juneau."

"Ya, it's nice to see another part of the country!"

"get back to you."

#12 | Posted by evashogouki at 2008-10-02 05:26 PM |

I think it's "git back te ya".

she'll have to "get back to you."

To 'Yah'

I hate to say it, but this is probably one of the most important "tipping point" events leading up to November. Hopefully, once and for all, Palin will show what she is about and the "undecideds" will make their choice.

My dad the asshole republican was attemping to waste my time today trying to make me listen to a the scare tactics talking points he was actually reading to me off sheets from his fax machine, including stuff like if Obama wins then Iran is going to be putting missiles in Venezuela. I feel sorry for anybody trying to talk intelligently in the kind of fear frenzied atmosphere the rethuglicans are trying to create.

I think it's "git back te ya".

#14 | Posted by panchovilla

That's the ticket...

Ever notice how she talks like a local newscaster from Fargo. Emphasis on the wrong words for emphasis sake?

Hey, it was sexy when Margie Gundersson did it though.

I was wondering how she got through 6 colleges and state university's journalism schools without knowing about magazines like Time and U.S. News and World Report, for example.

In this structured format, Biden should ignore Sara and just answer the questions as thoroughly as possible.

I think this question is silly considering the fact that there are hardly any objective posters here.

Actually TM, the few answers provided so far seem to be on the money.......

As low as expectations are, I still expect Palin to fail to meet them. She's one of the worst bullshitters I've ever seen in politics. If you can't answer the question "what newspapers do you read?" without naming a single paper, you're a lost cause.

I think this question is silly considering the fact that there are hardly any objective posters here.

That's not the point. Getting people on the record beforehand is fun, because it maximizes our taunting opportunities afterward.

If the American public learns anything about the character of these two VP candidates that helps them in their decision making process then I would say the American people win.

If it is the same old shit then I will go with China.


Who Will Win Tonight's Debate?

How do you define win? For the people who see Palin as a messenger from god and her idiocy as a test of their faith all she has to do is show up.
I think a more interesting question is:

If Sarak Palin is stumped by a question from the moderator will she speak in 'tongues'?

RCADE

Jimmy Kimmel ran a clip of her Katie Couric interview last night.

Then he said, "in high school we called that bullshitting".

If Sarak Palin is stumped by a question from the moderator will she speak in 'tongues'?


I'll have to get back to ya on that Darth....

Some say that expectations are so low that she almost can't fail but I disagree, she can manage to convince her base that she does not have the right stuff. Many have never watched her speak unscripted and this may be their only real chance. I am predicting that tonight will be a vote loser for the McCain campaign, if they could get out of this debate they would happily do so.

Biden will win unless he says something like,

Hey, you are one sassy articulate gal.

Who will win? Ron Paul!

That's not the point. Getting people on the record beforehand is fun, because it maximizes our taunting opportunities afterward.

#25 | Posted by rcade

The true purpose of the DRUDGE is reveled by the creator!

oh, crap, we have to decide?

Well then, of course, I will go with Biden... Sarah the Demon Hunter, has a good chance to just look clueless about the big issues that face this country. But, I bet she will be full of those one line zingers that are empty of substance but full of Fascist furor! But, they won't do her much good as it will be hard to play to the baser instincts of this crowd as they won't all be NEOCONS.

All Biden has to do is stay away from the booze until after the event and he should be fine. He already has the experience needed to be VP and does not have to "fake" it. He just needs to stay calm, keep control of his emotions and stick to the facts. But, I do hope he has a few Zingers of his own ready... just in case Sarah wants to try and play that game.

There.. that should be plenty of stuff to taunt ME with later!

Then he said, "in high school we called that bullshitting".

Funny. Did they bleep that word?

Who will win? The Brewers.

RCADE

Come to think of it the whole word made it on the air.

Who will win? Both sides.

Unless either of them says something so disastrous that you actually hear the crowd gasp in horror, BOTH sides will claim victory, as is usually the case.

Who else? Ron Paul will win the debate. ;-)

He predicted the economic crises and was actually taking about meaningful topics.

Is Admiral Stockdale in this year's debate?

No? Mike Gravel was as close as we got this time

Palin's zingers may not help during this economic crisis. Most people aren't looking for a comedian to put in the WH, they want smart, knowledgable leaders who can help lead us out of this Republican mess. I think that it is going to be impossible for McCAin Palin to win in these economic times. People are scared and they know who's been in charge for 8 years and they know they were fine when this team took over the reigns of power.

She will stink it up!!!
Obama's lead will be 10 by Mon.

"He predicted the economic crises and was actually taking about meaningful topics."

Lots of people predicted the economic crisis the day Bush was awarded the presidency. We remembered his Daddy, they all leave a crisis in their wake.
Dumbya will go home to Kinnebunkport and brag that his administration stole more than Daddy's. It is a competitive thing in the Bush family, has been for generations.

"He predicted the economic crises "

Who didn't?

BREAKING: Just released photo of Palin in her dressing room prepping for the debate!

Ah,
Back in the land of Nod, where the RCADE's of the world actually read newspaper fairy tales...

I guess some people do actual work while others read newspapers writen by fools for fools.

US Fools and World Retorts, Timewasters... I get them just to look at the pictures... except when NOBama is on the cover... then I use it for what it is really useful for... lining the bottom of the kitty litter box.

Sarah Palin is supposed to be stupid because she could only name one Supreme Court case...
Biden is intelligent yet he can't name ONE accomplishment that NOBAMA has ever made!

Hillary had 90% of the political cartoonists making fun of her sniper remarks yet Biden lied about being under sniper fire TWICE, once in Iraq and once in Afghanistan and yet not a single political cartoon making fun of him!

Sarah Palin is pilloried for the Bridge to Nowhere that BOTH NOBAMA and BIDEN voted IN FAVOR OF.

Danni is wishing upon a star that tonight's debate is a vote loser, but sorry Danni... not everyone is as stupid as the talking heads are. Sarah beat her own Party to be able to run for Governor and then beat the Democrat opponent. She didn't do that by being the airhead you and other women haters believe she is.

Unfortunately I will miss the fun and will have to watch her wipe the floor with Joe Blow Biden later (wonder who's identity he will steal for this debate?) because the Cubs are playing against the debate. Baseball before country.

Joe is soooooooo smart. He will win for sure. Palin is a bitch!

Thom the Lib

Irrelevant question. Almost nobody posting here is capable of thinking beyond party lines, or else Bush would be universally reviled, and Obama would be out on his ass for his FISA treachery. You will never see Herm saying Palin won or Pinche saying Biden did, so why even ask?

You don't need anyone to "go on the record" when you can predict their answer anyway.


Who else? Ron Paul will win the debate. ;-)

He predicted the economic crises and was actually taking about meaningful topics.

#39 | Posted by JayDee

What's more is Ron Paul is elling us what to do to fix it.

And his advice is not so bad either, no one will lose anything unless you are a billionaire


"He predicted the economic crises "

Who didn't?

#44 | Posted by nullifidian

Uh... let's see... The Democrats and the Republicans did NOT predict economic crisis.

Is this going to be the debate live blog or is the blog god going to start a new one?

Lots of people predicted the economic crisis the day Bush was awarded the presidency. We remembered his Daddy, they all leave a crisis in their wake.

Danni,

These guys named Frank(ie) and Dodd don't agree with you.

www.washingtonpost.com

"Your a dumbass".

"Uh... let's see... The Democrats and the Republicans did NOT predict economic crisis."

Sorry, slow Eddie, but thousands of economists, pundits, etc. have been predicting this economic meltdown. If you're implying that Ron Paul has some special insight you're full of it.

"Your a dumbass"

Ah, the time honored self-retorting retort.

I'm going to watch just to see if things get rough, Sarah! pulls out a flute and wins the 'talent' portion of the debate.

too bad we waste our time talking about 'who will win', when we should be saying, 'who can help keep our country from imploding'.

And that ain't palin.

Why bother, 2 talking heads saying nothing
but guarded rehearsed lines. Cheap media
entertainment for the masses.

Who Will Win Tonight's Debate?

Media outlets of course.

Larry

Sarah Palin will win.

If I'm wrong, I'll be back to admit it tonight.

Who Will Win Tonight's Debate?

Orville Redenbacher

In a real debate, no one is cut slack because of "low expectations".

It's a competition. No one gets seven points on the board because they've been a loser their last three games.

If Palin doesn't actually shit her pants tonight some nice person should bake her a pie and congratulate her for effort. Then have mercy on her and tell her just to go home.

I don't think many of you COULD admit if Sarah Palin won.

Just like you couldn't admit Pat Robertson "heard the Lord" that George W Bush would win in 2004.

I don't think many would care what kirk thinks, most of his post are too stupid and idiotic to give credence.

"He predicted the economic crises "

Who didn't?

#44 | Posted by nullifidian

Uh... let's see... The Democrats and the Republicans did NOT predict economic crisis.

#50 | Posted by Eddie a

Not Paulson thats for sure.

Ron Paul addressing the housing crisis in Dec 07.
www.youtube.com
(He's so right it's chilling. I've also said it goes back to Greenspan)

Compare with Paulson and Bush.
www.youtube.com
(Everything is cool, don't worry.)

..and you know, we cant have someone "kookey" like Ron Paul who will tell us the truth about things.. noo we would rather have arogant cowboys and someone that looks like Dr. Evil out there saying..

"Hea, no need to change course or anything.. sure we are headed through a shipwreck zone but.. we got this.. even if the ship runs aground we will just punch the engines to flank speed and push right through it."

Biden / Palen? more of the same.. more of the same..

I'm more interested in how Palin interacts with the facts, reason's with them, and interacts with Biden. I'm not interested what she crammed learned since becoming McCain's running mate. Anyone who's been in high school or and college can do that and spit it back with authority, without having a clue.

Though I'm a democrat, I like Palin the person and personally I hope that she makes a good showing. On the other hand, no matter how well she does at this point, the writing's on the wall: She's not ready.

"He predicted the economic crises "
Who didn't?

#44 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

McCain. Remember that the fundamentals of our economy are still strong.

I think that Joe will go easy on her so that the sexists won't label him sexist.

Palin on the other hand will try her hardest to be as snarky as possible.

how could anyone not living under a rock be undecided at this point? WHO is either of them going to convince otherwise.. the stupid vote?

Oh well, if the stupid vote prevails... dems win I guess.

Is this the official drinking game thread? One shot for every time Palin says "yah".

People have been saying everything under the sun since Palin hit the scene, its absurd.

She believes in witchcraft, she believes dinosaurs are alive, bla bla bla.. its stupid, I'm sick of it. She is just like every other moronic politician who thinks they know exactly what is best for you and by god they are going to give it to you like it or not.

Who's gonna win?

Joe Biden FTW.

Sarah is out of her depths, out of her league.

Hell, she's out of her mind as far as Spud can tell.

She's gonna have to try to remember all the talking points she's had drilled into in the last few weeks and if the Katie Couric interview taught us anything it would be that she can't simultaneously do that and project her folksy hockey mom persona.

It'll be a series of rushed meaningless and uncomfortable pauses fer SCary Failin.

Biden, otoh, would do well to emphasize the world of differences that exist between the two in an understated manner by maintaining a serious, sober, almost somber tone that is respectful but still shows off his vast amount of experience and gravitas.

This is so gonna kick ass!

Spud has beers a'chillin and popcorn at the ready.

Back when it counts.

Be Well.

"rushed meaningless words and uncomfortable pauses"

Be Well.

Joe should just lift her dress and eat her out on stage.

That way he will be sure to break the ice.

I don't think Biden will attack her at all. I think she will spend her entire time attacking obama.

Piranha Barracuda -- Pitbull & Lipstick

One thing fer sure, this debates viewership numbers will be substantially higher than the last debate.

Be Well.

I will keep a sharp eye out for Bush's Lil' Black Box, you know, that mysterious little rectangular "bump" on his back during the 2004 debate. Will the puppeteer be somewhere offstage feeding the puppet answers?

I heard the McCain camp's so worried they're trying to get Tina Fey to stand in for Palin tonight.

Gwen barely made it onto the stage with those crutches.

At least she'll have one in case there's a girl fight.

In breaking news, Joy just took out Pigsquatch on Earl. Palin to help field dress unfortunate giant pig.

"how could anyone not living under a rock be undecided at this point? WHO is either of them going to convince otherwise.. the stupid vote?"
-nmg_no

Talked to 2 college students TODAY who are.

One of them, a black guy from my church is caught between standing for innocent life (abortions kill nearly 1/2 of all balck babies) and his dad who said NOT voting for Obama was voting against his own blackness!

There's a subtle "I'll disown you" vibe going there. Is that *typical* of you Democrats?

Moneywar--suck it, biatch

The real question for tonight is: "Hair up or hair down?"

If her hair is down it means she is wearing an earpiece underneath.

If that's so, I hope the crowd is quiet during her answers so she can hear them.

-wearing an earpiece underneath.

Or GW's Lo-Jack.
You know, in case he wandered off.

Love the electric blue shirt.... Not!

I will keep a sharp eye out for Bush's Lil' Black Box, you know, that mysterious little rectangular "bump" on his back during the 2004 debate. Will the puppeteer be somewhere offstage feeding the puppet answers?#78 | Posted by evashogouki at 2008-10-02 08:37 PM | Reply

How's the kool aid tonight?

Just remember this November--your guy needs to actually win the electoral college to win the Presidency, so no bitchin' come midNovember!

It begins.

Be Well.

Palin looks hot!

You can call me Bubala!

Can I call you Joe?

Keep it in your pants.

"Can I call you Joe?"

Yeeeech!

Palin fell and hurt her wrist while practicing for the debate so she's suppose ot have a bandage on.

In case anyone needs it --

LIVE STREAM OF DEBATE --

LINK

These are the non presidents that vanish in the woodwork about March.

Hello, Soccer Moms?

Palin you ROCK!

A "bandage" with crib notes on it.

"I'll betcha...."

She's stating the obvious and her voice is already giving out.

Yeah, suspending his campaign worked out real well.

Holy shit is her voice shaking.

They are both very good at presentation.

She's a little nervous.

Palin 1
Biden 0

So far

Ride, you're so full of shit.

Rhetoric!

Address the question!

Palin 2
Biden 0

Still counting

Riiiiight!!

Good ol' Gwen.... "Neither of you answered that question."

Every time Sarah sez "Maverick" ya gotta drink!

Spud's half gunned already and we're only a coupla minutes in.

Be Well.

heh, heh, heh...it's just the DR way Briwo. I'm just pre-empting the majority speak here. LOL.

Darn right!

wow Ride, you are so objective.

Dude, they came out swingin'!

Reminds me of Tyson/Holyfield I!

2/2 for blows landed straight on the nose!

I think I just threw up!

Spud musta' just come from a clown party...that always has him gunned.

"wow Ride, you are so objective."

Don't say that. She'll go crying to Rcade.

Oprah's mom was taken advantage of too. She knew she shouldn't have been given that much credit, yet she still spent it.

Hey Briwo, their all idiots. Remember though, I predicted an Obama landslide, LONG before he even won the Dem nomination.

Black suit to hide the black box.

Notice Biden's use of McSame's own words.

their=they're

Is it just me, or is Biden a scary looking fella? Would make a great movie villian.

I think maybe she is bad in interviews because it is harder to lie to one person than to millions.

She's obviously good at that.

Shouldn't you be writing?

94 times? Or was it 94 times?

NO!!! Bullshit!! This has been disproven over again!!!!!

Oh how I wish there was a ticket that I actually WANTED to vote for this election year.

Don't say that. She'll go crying to Rcade.

#114 | Posted by nullifidian at 2008-10-02 09:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

...says the frenetic flagrant flagging finger....NULLandVOID (aks Billy'O'Crap'O')

What is she looking at? You're not supposed to have notes!

WHAT CRAP!!!

"I may not answer the questions..."

Wow! She can't and won't answer the questions.

Yah, I'm goin' to to talk straight--and duck the questions.

Biden is handling her folksy bullshit pretty well so far.

Now, if they would just answer the questions...

Wait, does she really think a debate is about talking to the American people and not addressing issues presented at the debate? Sounds like a cop-out to me.

Sarah: I'm not gonna answer yer question

...I'm gonna talk straight?

Whargarbl?!

Be Well.

OH yeah! Tax employee healthcare! That's the way.

Employers won't pass this on at all. Weyerhaeuser is already cutting most health benes and forcing employees into high deductable plans.

Folks "they" never answer the questions.....ya' all don't get it yet.

If you all had really wanted change....Dems needed to have voted Kucunich and Repubs Ron Paul.....too late now.

She's talking too fast.

Shows how nervous she is.

Have people been warned to tie up their dogs and cats before listening to Palin's voice?

Yeah, she is...

Avoiding paying taxes by using loopholes is not being patriotic.

Joe is correct.

Be Well.

Oh here we go with the "folksy" answers, please provide details.

Spending increased more under Bush than any time in history. And McSame wants to continue the same policies.

Well darn right...

She has said a whole lot without really saying anything.

I love how she actually openly admitted that she may not be answering the questions the way Biden or the moderator would want them. HAHA because she's talking directly to America!

What a crock of shit.

Way to go Joe!

"That's not patriotic"

Blamo!

So you libs gonna admit if YOU'RE wrong in your predictions?

The government is evil. The people are helpless to change it back to government of, by, and for the people.

Trickle down tax breaks.

I get so tired of hearing that sick shit.

"Avoiding paying taxes by using loopholes is not being patriotic."

That's the problem of the Congress, not the taxpayer.

OOOOOOOOOO!!

She's talking too fast.

Shows how nervous she is.

No, just shows how Canadian she really is.

90% of small business make less than 250,000 ergo Sarah is fulla shit.

Not wealth redistribution, just fair.

Joe's doing good.

Be Well.

Double foreign assistance.....LOL

What is she reading?

Why is everyone freaking out because she is a little nervous? Biden just called John McCain Barak Obama. Where's the criticism?

oooooooohhhhhhhh....diss on the bridge to nowhere.

That stung.

Oh no...Biden is nervous again!!!!

McSame/Palin 08
Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss.....

Joe's drunk....but he sure is a CHARACTERIZER.

No, just shows how Canadian she really is

~Taxman

You take that back!!!!!

Them's fightin' word, dangit!

Be Well.

Stick to the questions Palin; otherwise you just look scripted.

90% of small business make less than 250,000 ergo Sarah is fulla shit.
#149 | Posted by dethspud at 2008-10-02 09:21 PM

No kidding!

"Stutterin' Joe, Whaddya know?"

I have friends in AK, they tell you a different story.

Joe's scratching his face an awful lot. So he loses.

BigOil are not Sarah's biggest fans?

Anybody buying that load of shit?

Even fer a second?

Didn't think so.

Be Well.

WTF is she talking about?

How long have I been at this, 5 weeks?

Now there's some honesty...

"Massive oversight!"

Off topic curiosity. For those of you on the left...do you ever visit forums/websites that sway to the right? Which ones?

I think Joe is suffering from having to listen to her speak.
I know I am.

Is Palin actually participating in the debate or is she just reading from a script?

Tax the oil companies to pay the bailout. Problem solved.

She's reading...

I visited Pol Pot in the day....and my friend Hugo today.

Signed,

NULLandVOID

She is whipping his butt. No question.

Yah.

Any debates I was ever in, we couldn't use notes.

Let me see the sh*t eating grin again Biden..... Loser

ANd he needs to quit the grinning and shaking his ehad. He is coming off as a train wreck.

wait.

he IS a train wreck

McLame wants another 4 Billion dollar tax cut to a company that made 600 Billion dollars in profits?

Figures.

Anybody who's looking at the Rs fer leadership in energy independence is looking in the wrong direction entirely.

Did anybody else LOL when Sarah used the word "expertise"?

Be Well.

"Posted by ride_on "

Oh please, Rcade, let me off suspension...waaaaah!

I can't wait for post debate fact check.

Stick a fork in her.

Any debates I was ever in, we couldn't use notes.

#175 | Posted by briwo at 2008-10-02 09:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

No wonder you never won any of those.

She just got two words backwards...

it's too complicated for you folks to understand.

"She is remarkably composed. I'll give her credit for that. Her intellect is a bit of a Trojan Horse here and i'm not sure that wasn't her plan all along"

--my liberal friend in a recent text

Oh spud spud spud.

Try again.

The numbers that he is quoting are the same tax breaks every single company in the US gets. Oil suddenly should be treated differently than any other business?

These are NOT unique cuts for oil companies as he is trying to suggest.

Please Rcade! PLEAAAAAAAAAASSSEEEE!! SMOOCH! SMOOCH!
-RideOn

JOE BIDEN FOR PRESIDENT 2008!

Joe's sounding good tonight.

She said, I am not going to answer a question how you(moderator) and my opponent want me too (speaking to gwen ifil) or whatever that liberal's name is...ouch! GOOOOO Sarah!!!!

Biden... How about a 1000 year loan?

Let's go back to the energy thing!

when mcinsane kicks off & this woman becomes prez we are fucked. that is all.

I don't need to know ANYTHING ELSE.

Which is good in my state of mind.

vote O

Energy? I thought the question was about bankruptcy.

Joe is sounding like a no talent ass clown.

Hundreds of puppies are dying every time she talks! Where's the ASPCA?

I want to go back to the energy question....

This is a disaster, I am starting to feel bad for her. Why can't she address the issues before her? Why does she keep on going off track?

I would take anyone as fill-in President over Joe Biden.

LOL, real funny Briwohead

Palin kept avoiding answering anything about McCain being so pro-deregulation.
She wouldn't touch the word. She immediately changed the subject to taxes. Palin knows McCain is totally for deregulation which is a good part of why Wall Street is a mess.

Pelosi are you listening. It is called oil! Energy independence. Go Palin!

Finally, an energy question.

"Please Rcade! PLEAAAAAAAAAASSSEEEE!! SMOOCH! SMOOCH!
-RideOn"

Hahahahaha.

I feel bad for her too. SHe is debating an idiot.

and destroying him.

She's been told what to say...that kinda limits her

She can't think on her feet. Maybe on her back, but not on her feet. She refuses to answer specific questions because.... she can't.

"it's gonna make 10's of thousands of jobs."

jeez gag me with an oven mitt

so now she starts talking about global warming?

Hundreds of puppies are dying every time she talks! Where's the ASPCA?

#194 | Posted by nullifidian at 2008-10-02 09:30 PM | Reply | Flag

They have some trouble somewhere in Kansas they are investigating.

My head hurts

Thank god my remote has a mute button. Her voice is giving me an earache.

Sarah "the reformer" begs fer more drilling in the US.

That will lower America's need for foreign oil by 1% in about 10 to 20 years.

Yup, that's her expertise.

...sucking BigOil's dick.

Be Well.

Get 'em Sarah!

Palin for President!

"I would take anyone as fill-in President over Joe Biden."

Obviously.

Hundreds of puppies are dying every time she talks!

Nullifidian ♥♥♥ Sarah!

I don't care about the causes of global warming??????

GET OFF THE FUCKING STAGE!

Fucking funny flag Corky.

Off topic curiosity. For those of you on the left...do you ever visit forums/websites that sway to the right? Which ones?#167 | Posted by Monster at 2008-10-02 09:25 PM | Reply

They can't get away with their name-calling like "fucktard" there....

It can't be man made, the earth is only 6,000 yrs old.
-Sarah Palin

Biden you are Al Gore's best buddy! Make some more money on carbon credits.

I agree stick. Joe should just abdicate right now.

I feel bad for her too. SHe is debating an idiot.

and destroying him.

~Captain Hack

You do realise that just saying sommat doesn't make it so.

...or do ya?

Try an actual argument if you can.

Be Well.

Yah. Drill baby drill. Yah.

Drill baby drill.... Not in China, not in Mexico, Iraq in the US!

Joe is getting his ass handed to him....and he knows it! Look at his face!

Oh yeah climate change is completely man made. uh huh.

Sure there have NEVER been hot periods and cool periods. The climate of the earth has been stagnant until 100 years ago.

Try again Joe.

Senator O'Biden....LOL, that's a good one.

Nookyaler!

Nuke-you-lar?

Yeah, right, Sarah.

Californians can't wait to have off-shore rigs as far as the eye can see right
off their beautiful coastline.

How about natural gas?

which will go overseas and not make one bit of difference, 10 yrs from now the demand will far outstrip the supply.

What a joke!

Nuclear and Coal?! HAHAHAHAHA!

OMG!

HA! I thought I heard a New Q Ler!

my god he's mopping the floor with her and she just keeps on smiling.

I don't even think she knows how bad she looks.

Oh yeah Calif.

Energy independence is fine as long as it is somepone els's back yard?

Is that way California has destoyed any initiatives to take advantage of our own resources?

or why that monolithic idiot Kennedy andKerry are against wind farms in their back yard of the waters off cape cod?

The reason she has, er, had such a high popularity in Alaska is that oil prices have doubled since she got in to office less than 2 years ago, and Alaska is an oil welfare state.

Gwen is in control. She should be wearing black leather and whips.

Sarah is so obviously a shill for BigOil it's pathetic.

Her inability to name the primary cause of Global Warming makes that painfully clear.

Biden believes in equal rights fer gays.

Sarah belives they should be stoned to death.

Joe FTW!

Be Well.

Please spud.

SHe is KILLING him.

He look like a smug lech grinnoing and sighing and chaking his head.

She is calm, composed and on message.

Bye bye Joe.

Chalk up one into the "L" column.

How white of her to be tolerant of gays.

Oh yeah that is what she said spud. Stoned to death. Nice.

Need we remind you that Obama doesn;t support gay marriage?

Just what we need in the WH, another christian bigot.

GASP....Biden does NOT support gay marriage. Stone him PUD.

Joe throwed the gays under the bus...

"Choose"

She thinks being gay is a choice?

Wot fucking century is this dim bint from?

Damn, and the Rtards on this thread are too stupid to realise how embarrassed fer her they should be.

Be Well.

Are you serious, cptindependent?

Shit man, you have low standards.

hahahahahahahahahahaahahhaahah
a

what a rube

Cptlobotomy needs to put the bong down.

Anybody who was calling fer Gwen to step down the other day wanna admit that they were wrong yet?

She's doing a great job.

Be Well.

Palin is not only kicking Joe's ass, she's kicking Obama's ass.......watch for Joe's foot in mouth soon.

My standards are who winds.. not how well they do overall. It is how well they do in relation to each other.

She is mopping the stage from one end to the other with his grecian formula filled hair.

Sure she could be more polished in her speaking style, but she only has to be better than him.

and she clearly is.

Did SHE just come out of that sounding more tolerant of gays than HE did?

WELL. We all knew already that she didn't believe in "early withdrawal".

"GASP....Biden does NOT support gay marriage. Stone him PUD.

#241 | Posted by ride_on"

Waaaah! Rcade! Pleeeeesseeee let me back!

Sarah Palin isn't doing that bad at all tonight.
1000 times better than her interview with Couric.

I don't agree with Palin's political viewpoints and Biden did destroy her with facts when she started bragging about McCain's pathetic $5000 health insurance tax credit. But as far a composure she's doing okay.

I see they've lightened up her hair with blondish red streaks in the front. Looks pretty good. Also looks like they had her get rid of the ugly bee-hive hairdo and is now wearing it flatter and more in style.

Women notice this stuff. lol

No

The surge worked? I missed it?

"Chalk up one into the "L" column."

Chalk up one into the "fool" column.
electoral-vote.com

Gwen is doing a good job. Would you have been as accomodating if Sean Hannity were moderating?

Obama offered a clear plan..... Pull out and give up. Tax Americans for freedom and socialize the country.

WELL. We all knew already that she didn't believe in "early withdraw.

ff for Corky!

How did he beat her on the tax credit.

By Bidens own figures the government will pony up almost 50% of the premiums for health insurance...

My employer right now picks about that up.

Whats the problem?

Tax tax tax.... I used to believe Obama.

Aflac!!!

My standards are who winds.. not how well they do overall. It is how well they do in relation to each other.

249 | Posted by CPTindependent at 2008-10-02 09:40 PM

Clearly

AAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

Anybody who was calling fer Gwen to step down the other day wanna admit that they were wrong yet?

Gwen is a joke....I would rather have Bill Oreilly moderating or at least Alan Keyes...

O-kay ya caught me. I have a type-o.

She still hasn't answered a single question.

Wait, I think I saw her start to cry!

"Gwen is a joke..."

What debate are you watching?

Night all. Time to get ready for work tomorrow.

Nice to see Sarah whup that old man like he deserved.

SOrry bout yer luck Joe supporters.

Boass, you deserve a FF.

Pakistan and Iran.

This should be good.

GASP....Biden does NOT support gay marriage

Both him and Obama support civil unions.

Totally equal but w/o attempting to redefine "marriage".

This is new info fer you Rtards?

Any Rtards on this thread wanna back up their Fundy Ferraro by saying being gay is a choice?

C'mon step up to the plate.

Fer bonus points explain how Dinosaurs and people co-existed.

"Surrender"?!

That BS again?

Fuck that slag.

Staying in Iraq forever at 10 Billion a month is not Victory.

It's a plate fulla FAIL.

The surge did NOT work.

The ethnic cleansing did.

Ha! Joe knows John's record better than Caribou Barbie.

Her attempts to quote Biden from during the primaries are not working.

Ha!

Be Well.

I can't wait for her nonanswer to this question.

"I'd like to go back to the energy question"....
-Sarah Palin

yep, the Alan Keyes comment was very funny.

Briwo..:) Conservative till the end..

He look like a smug lech grinnoing and sighing and shaking his head.

You don't know Biden real well, do you.

Biden is an attack dog and you can take it to the bank (the ones that haven't folded yet lol)
that Biden is on his best behavior when it comes to acting like a gentleman tonight. He knows if he slips once and comes off speakiung too harshly or agressive towards her he loses points. It's not fair but that's how it is.

Trust me, if she was a guy you'd see an entirely different attitude by Biden.

Aflac!

"huh?"
-Sarah Palin

Joe is a serious politician, and Sarah is a nearly adequate spokesmodel.

She hasn't the intellect or the brains to be a weak heartbeat from the Presidency.

"Go to your room! Period!"

NUKE YA LUR, Y'ALL!

ackmadinijad and the castro bros lol

Yes.

A nucular armed Iran is very very dangerous.

Biden answered this one great. Sara falls back to talking points. The ass kicking continues.

You can see what they coached her on, she keeps distorting the questions to the coached points.

Aflac!

#278 | Posted by nullifidian at 2008-10-02 09:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes, yes....we know you are a quack NULLandVOID....carry on.

north to alaska
the bullshit
is running
like a moose
with the trots

omg the dictators who hate us!!!!!

Aflac!

"You can see what they coached her on, she keeps distorting the questions to the coached points."

Yep.

nucular

OK, Margie!

Califchris! Thanks for the weblink!

Patreous?

Um ...Sarah.

Hate to tell ya but like you he's a latecomer to the party.

AQ has played BushCo like a biatch since 9/11.

Danced to Bin Laden's tune all the way.

"Without Preconditions"

No ya silly bint, no "self-defeating preconditions" like the kind that BushCo have used in the Israel/Palestine peace process in order to sink it before it beginbs.

Can this chick find any more ways to be wrong?

Be Well.

Shit. Having to listen to her talk for this long has given me a new reason to vote against her.

I CAN'T STAND HER GOD DAMNED VOICE.

Need to back ya up there! Ya all come down her ya know!

"That is simple not true."

A recurring theme from Biden.

simply

Oh geeze, her she goes with "let's nuke Iran" for Israel.

She's in Israel's pocket and without a doubt will take us into war on Israel's behalf. She doesn't give a damn if American boys will have to be the ones to shed their blood in the Middle East while Israel sits back and watches.

Looks like Palin takes her marching orders from AIPAC and the Neocons.

That's because all they can do is lie.

Aflac!

If you can't stand her voice, then she can give you a hummer. ;)

yep, the Alan Keyes comment was very funny.

Off topic, but Alan Keyes said instead of slavery reparations, two generations of directly related peoples of slaves should not have to pay taxes (only FICA). Instead of giving direct money and support to greedy idiots down in New Orleans, this makes about the most sense that any black personality has made. Of course it isnt popular. But it makes sense....what do you guys say?

Again, Palin is handing Joe his ass...

Can anyone find the comment Joe just made that Mccain wouldnt sit down with Spain? I cant seem to find it...

What's the pin above the flag she's wearing?

simple, not true......she lies....

"She doesn't give a damn if American boys will have to be the ones to shed their blood in the Middle East while Israel sits back and watches. "

Nope. She'll keep her son out of the shit while bragging about his service.

I'm with Nulli on her voice. Is there a non-screech mode?

"I CAN'T STAND HER GOD DAMNED VOICE."

No shit! I'd like to listen to this debate, but I have to hit the mute button!

GOPhers aren't committed to a real peace process in Israel.

They are committed to giving Israel unconditional support which is a large part of the problem.

Be Well.

"Any Rtards on this thread wanna back up their Fundy Ferraro by saying being gay is a choice?C'mon step up to the plate."

Right here, spud.

You saying homosexuals have NO CONTROL over what they do with their genitals?

They have a choice over *how they act out* their sexuality, what they do with their bodies.

She is writing alot..I wonder what she is writing?

Damn, facts suck huh Sarah?

KUCINICH "PLEASE" NEXT TIME!

"I CAN'T STAND HER GOD DAMNED VOICE."

No shit! I'd like to listen to this debate, but I have to hit the mute button!

#307 | Posted by nullifidian at 2008-10-02 09:53 PM | Reply | Flag

Just more proof of your little thin skin.

She is writing alot..I wonder what she is writing?

#310 | Posted by boaz at 2008-10-02 09:54 PM

HELP ME!

ack the voice !!!!!!!!

Sarah "Screech" Palin(TM)

(All Rights Reserved)

What has Israel done for our country? Really?
Israel costs us billions of dollars every month and I don't see them providing a darn thing in return.

No more wars for Israel. Let them do their own fighting for a change. I'm sick of these politicians who are led through the nose by Israeli Neocons. We have enough trouble with the Neocons in our own country.

I could care less if Israel is a democracy. We bought democracy to Iraq and the first thing they did with their new democracy is vote in strict Muslim Sharia law.

What's the pin above the flag she's wearing?

That pin is a blue star flag for a relative deployed in a war zone. A gold star is for a relative who has died...

Sure reform is coming....

Fuck! Did you see that little head jerk from Air Alaska? Oh my fucking god. Can you imagine listening to this clown for 4 years?

HELP ME!

ROTFLMAO

better debate than McCain/Obama

What Palin said about how she took on the oil companies in Alaska is TRUE, but McCain would NEVER do that.

Biden is crushing this newcomer factually. Her propensity to change the subject is necessary when their is no good answer to the question.

Palin just pitched him a softball.

McCain=Bush

Nice hit on the McCain hates Spain fuckup.

Points fer Joe.

Be Well.

"POSITIVE change is coming"

-Sarah Palin

Go, Joe!

Biden always scores big points when he compares McCain with Bush.

McSame votes with Bush 90% of the time and wants to continue the same policies, and he's a maverick?

Please.

Biden's getting anxious.

He's starting to look more and more annoyed at her non-answers.

NUK U LAR weaponry! LOL!

NK! another coached point.

She can't and won't deviate from talking points.

I've seen more impressive performances in high school debates.

Can't wait till she takes on Putin.

Be afraid, be very afraid.

"Can anyone find the comment Joe just made that Mccain wouldnt sit down with Spain? I cant seem to find it..."

Check youtube Bo...it was all over as an audio clip about 3-4 weeks ago from a conference call. McCain seemed to forget he was talking to Spanish (Spain) media instead of Spanish (Mexico) media.

noo-cue-ler

Thanks Spud...

Afghanistan! ANother coached point!

Surge ddin't work!

Can you believe this bitch?

When she talks fast, she sounds like my little sister when she is trying to avoid an ass whupping from my dad....

"McSame votes with Bush 90% of the time..."

That's only on average.

The last two years, it's been 95% and 100%, meaning as the country has moved further and further away from Bush, McCain has moved closer and closer.

"Facts matter, Gwen."

We would have won in Afghanistan years ago if the troops hadn't been diverted for Bush's merry adventure in Iraq.

Tater

Yeah, you're right.

McCain looked like a total fool when he refused to even talk to Spain!
And all because Spain pulled their troops out of Iraq. How many years were they suppose to stay there anyway? At least they contributed troops.

McCain/Palin = just a continuation of the Bush Neocon years.

You saying homosexuals have NO CONTROL over what they do with their genitals?

They have a choice over *how they act out* their sexuality, what they do with their bodies

Ah, so you believe gay folks are born that way but that there is some kind of problem if they act on their orientation?

Wot's wrong with gay people having sex?

Do tell.

Be Well.

Dan: I know, I just didn't want to hurt the Righties brains.

Cmon Biden,

A surge will work in Afghan, we can push those idiots farther into the mountains in the south of Kandahar...THAT much I do know!

Too many people, how many is too many?

What debate is she attending?? Erm.. answer the questions put to you, stop wandering off into left field and onto other issues! Did she take her riddelin tonight or what??

Can you believe this bitch?

#337 | Posted by nullifidian at 2008-10-02 09:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Stop looking in the mirror and talking to yourself.

How many troops did Spain commit to the Iraq war?

Exactly koolaidfree

What YOU DO with your genitals IS your CHOICE!

Aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Put a muzzle on her!

goddamit, its NUCLEAR!!

NOO!
CLEE!
YAR!

Clearing and holding???? They haven't even done that in Iraq! That's the problem, they can clear but not hold.

We would have won in Afghanistan years ago if the troops hadn't been diverted for Bush's merry adventure in Iraq.

Obama did make some very valid and good points re Afghanistan in the debate and I like his policy as far as what we should do over there. He makes much more sense than what Bush has been doing -- attacking Iraq and letting the Taliban build back up again in Afghanistan. Obama has a much better understanding on what's happening over there.

She wants to argue fighting a war with Biden?

That's not very bright either.

Wot's wrong with gay people having sex?

Do tell.

Be Well.

#343 | Posted by dethspud at 2008-10-02 09:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why would you ask a religious fundie that? I can predict what he'll say, minus misquoting.

"Thou shalt not lie with a man as thou liest with a woman, for it is an abomination before the lord"

...or something close to that.

How many troops did Spain commit to the Iraq war?

Spain was bombed by Al Qaeda and bitched slapped into pulling it's troops....

McCain/Palin = just a continuation of the Bush Neocon years.

~CChris.

Correct.

Same old shit with a shiny new coat of paint.

No matter how thin you slice it, it still stinks.

Be Well.

/Catch Dobbs tonight? He's on fire! Another 150 Billion on the 700 billion bailout in additional pork? Yeesh!!!

Joe just got his ass handed to him....he so wanted to say....don't tell us men (Lugar, me, etc) about this war.

Reminds me of a robot. They may have brainwashed her/it.

Bosnia... old news

Stop looking in the mirror and touching yourself.

#348 | Posted by ride_on at 2008-10-02 10:00 PM

Watching Silence of the Lambs and tucking it back again?

"bosniacs"

lol

Watching Silence of the Lambs and tucking it back again?

It rubs the lotion on it's skin....

Biden makes me want to buy a used car.

doesnt Biden remind you of Gene Hackman in the Superman days?

Aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Put a muzzle on her!

Posted by nullifidian

So Nullifidian is secretly dreaming of little bondage games with Sarah? lol

I better leave and go in and watch this on tv before I get into trouble. hahaha

Outsider! Drink!

Before it before you were against it, Drink!

Straight talk! Drink!

Straight talk... Palin rocks!

Biden makes me want to buy a used car.

LOL

There's a no fly zone in Darfur?

Watching Fargo with debate audio....

Aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Put a muzzle on her!

#351 | Posted by nullifidian at 2008-10-02 10:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

The NULLandVOID ones favorite refrain....don't agree with me, have an opposing view to mine! MUZZLE IT! The NULLandVOID one is so weak because only a weakling continually harangs to silence others. Keep up with that flag finger too, you loser.

It put's the bottle in the basket...

"Thou shalt not lie with a man as thou liest with a woman, for it is an abomination before the lord"

...or something close to that.

~Foxy

Yup, Spud's heard that one.

It also sez how to treat yer slaves and why people who eat seafood need to be killed.

It's a good book in many ways but there's a load of shit in there that needs to be excised and/or ignored.

Morality must evolve.

Did she just say "straight talk"
again.

Newsflash fer Scary Failin from Spud...

If Yawn McLame ate a nail? He'd shit out a corkscrew.

Be Well.

I think I bought my last POS chevy from Biden.... Now I buy Honda's.

Yeah, make Sarah point out Darfar on a map! That would end that discussion.

There's a no fly zone in Darfur?

#371 | Posted by jpw

Yah. It's over the energy area

Straight talk... Palin is winning!

Or did I not hear what she said right?

Boyracer, FF!

cuntry 1st unclesam

Um, I uh,, beg to disagree. Is she W in drag?

Gwen is MAKING her respond and make excuses, just by saying, "Governor?"

Your dog was hurt in the fall on the way down, I think he needs a vet!

- That cute girl in the hole

John McCain knows how to win a war?

WTF?!?

WAR!! WAR!! WAR!!!

"I CAN'T STAND HER GOD DAMNED VOICE."

No shit! I'd like to listen to this debate, but I have to hit the mute button!

#307 | Posted by nullifidian

I thought it was just me. she makes my head hurt.

she only knows how to wave the flag. no numbers, no statistics, no substance at all.

It's not just her voice, listening to what she says will really make your head hurt.

Spain was bombed by Al Qaeda and bitched slapped into pulling it's troops....

Just cos they aint cool with staying there fer 100 years doesn't make 'em biatches.

Just sane.

Canada just sed no to that madness.

Cool points fer Canuckistan! ^_^

Be Well.

Anyone else see that mole on Joe's forehead? I cant take my eyes off it!

Mavericks again!

oooooo She just winked at us

Well the snotty little ignorant bitch has her game on tonight, no doubt. Won't help McMoron.

she's passionate but she doesn't persuade.

she winked. anwar and then she said something else I don't know. but I know she winked.

Canada just sed no to that madness.

Cool points fer Canuckistan

Well, I doubt the world will be watching a deputy premier debate from Canada!

Just picking Spud...:)

Yes, Wasilla main street....that's it.

This folksy shit is a joke?

Off topic again Sarah!

I thought it was just me. she makes my head hurt.

#388 | Posted by Lipzoidial at 2008-10-02 10:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

What makes a head hurt is when you lied repeatedly to attempt to make a point about people in Detroit. You lied and said the people in Detroit wouldn't support the incumbent white mayor, when proven wrong, you said you meant the white mayoral opponent....when proven wrong about that as well, you said proof about Detroit was that your relatives in Ann Arbor wouldn't come into Detroit. You're pathetic!

INCREASE TAXES!! WAR!! TAXES!! WAR!!!

"What do you expect? A team of mavericks!"

Blah. God she sucks....

"Reality from Wassilla main street."

She wants to make DC the meth Capitol of the US?

She wants alcoholism and forcible rape stats to go up?

She's nuts.

Be Well.

Ride on, Karl is calling, he says it's time for your bath.

that whole folksy bullshit "well dogg gonnit" triggered my gag reflex.

OMG! SHE JUST WINKED!!!

Now I know who she is!

Andy Griffith as "Lonesome Rhodes" in this movie.

www.youtube.com

Oh there you go again doggonit! Let's give a shoutout to all my fella yokel banjo players!

fuck off ride, this is about this debate, not your pissy problems

i just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

ok. a whole lot.

....you needed me to shake this thread up Bri.

Palin 17
Joe 4

So far.

The Bush administration?

Why would Joe mention that?

Is she dense or wot?

Maybe she's just trying to deflect from the fact that a McAncient/Failin admin would be a third term fer BushCo and all those disastrous and ruinous policies.

Be Well.

Briwo,

I cant get that fucking song out of my head when the murderer was putting his dick in and spreading his wings!

"I'm crying, crying, crying OOOOOOOOO"....

FUCK.!!!!!

Did she just say we need a stronger VP?

"Palin 17
Joe 4"

...Russian judge.

ride - palin. all blab, no substance

I crashed 5 planes and spent the majority of the one war I participated in as a prisoner of war...

I know how to win a war!

Wot doers a Vice president do?

Well, Cheney takes a nightly bath in the blood of virgins.

Be Well.

Briwo,

I cant get that fucking song out of my head when the murderer was putting his dick in and spreading his wings!

"I'm crying, crying, crying OOOOOOOOO"....

FUCK.!!!!!

#413 | Posted by boaz at 2008-10-02 10:13 PM

HAHAHAHA! Good! LOL!

She just gave a "shout out"!

And what kind of tool keeps insulting their host?

No class!

shuddup! Make me a sandwich. How would you like to be married to that?

Question: are there still crazy Manson followers who take pot-shots at elected officials anymore?

Second question: How are their moderating skills?

LOL, it was your problem Lipzidiot, you lie to make a lame point and you got caught on it, you backpedaled and got caught again, then again. You wanted to stake a claim of racism and it didn't wash. Did it now Lipzidiot. So it's actually your problem, not mine...I simply call you on it. ROFLMAO.

OH this should be REALLLLLY good.

Did she just say we need a stronger VP?

#414 | Posted by Corky at 2008-10-02 10:14 PM

YES

You've got give her some credit...she doesn't look nearly as stupid as most expected her to.

That being said; Biden answers the questions, Palin dances around the issues.

Another day, dethspud.
Just say no to man-crack!

This thread is a fast-moving different topic.

WTF

Is

A

"Bosniac?"

Ha
Ha

You mean that "godamned piece of paper?"

She's weakening. If it were to go another 1/2 hour, she's ask for her "Phone a Friend".

gee gosh folks, can't you just see how bad McStupid needs to be president, we'll work out the details later over some apple pie and cookies and good old cold american beer.

SHE IS FALSE!!! Look out you believers!!

Biden got her on the job of a VP...I must admit that..

Oh yeah, a mayor of 4,000 and a Gov of 650,000 ....right.

Biden kicked her in the buckteeth on the VP-ship.

But, she is a good mom.

Biden just kicked the ever living SHIT out of her on that question. I wish the moderator hadn't moved on.

Does she think she's sounding better by over emphasizing key words in her talking points?

"Vice President Cheney has probably been the most dangerous VP in the country's history"

~Joe Biden

QUOTED FOR TRUTH

That evil, blackhearted fuckstick needs a timeout

...in prison.

Be Well.

substance please!

You guys are whining about her verbiage and her accent. Would you not cry BIGOT or RACIST if the same was done to Obama? Who gives a fuck about her accent?!!?

So is the vice-president part of the executive or legislative branch lady?

Err, Sarah, ever heard of "separation of powers"?

Sounds like Sarah plans on being Cheney with lipstick.

Joe's teeth are glowing!

She is starting to look like a deer in the headlights...

All I heard her say before hitting the mute button was: Aflac!

wave the flag. polishing a turd.

But, she is a good mom.

#434 | Posted by Corky at 2008-10-02 10:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

So are you Corkster....so are you, keep the faith.

"You've got give her some credit...she doesn't look nearly as stupid as most expected her to."

Yeah, she is speaking in complete sentences this time and is atleast keeping her talking points straight, but her answers are still empty and point to a glaring lack of knowledge and understanding of the world around her.

she's been looking like that, but I'm glad the koolaid is wearing off Boaz.

Gravely injured! Gravely injured...is that any other kind?

Please, don't cry Joe.....

Holy Shit, did he just cry???????

Well, Cheney takes a nightly bath in the blood of virgins.Be Well.#418 | Posted by dethspud

That's funny!

FF for potato-man

Maverick!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHH!!!!

STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maverick! Aflac! Maverick! Aflac! Maverick! Aflac!

You've got give her some credit...she doesn't look nearly as stupid as most expected her to.

She's looking at her notes every chance she gets. Think I saw her swoon just a tad when the subject of what happens if the President dies in office.

WARS!!!!!!!!!!

Did she just say McCain need to leave?

....just remember, I told you all Obama would landslide to victory, long before he even won the Dem nomination.

a maverick that old is usually sent to the glue factory

"We have not got to allow?"

my experience as a governor

as a mayor

as a business owner

as a moose fucker-upper

as an adversary firer...

mavericks, reformers, job creationers!!!

why is it every time Biden speaks he tells a lie.

"(McCain) is a man who needs to leave"

Even a broken watch is right twice a day.

Uh oh, Joe is PISSED!

Oh, Biden got kind of choked up a little when he answered that question..

I don't think it was faked at all. Really put his point across. His wife and infant daughter being killed in that auto accident just crushed him. He two young boys almost lost their lives in the same accident. Not an easy time for him at all.

Sure am glad I'm not watching it.

wait, I think she's gonna pass out!

McCain...go away
Leave already

"Please, don't cry Joe.....

#449 | Posted by ride_on"

You mean like you cry to Rcade? Waaaaaaah!

Oh god, it burns it burns....Governor - answer a question, don't avoid what you don't want to or don't have the knowledge to answer by putting those pat talk points. Can't imagine the disaster this woman would represent as a VP....and as a woman I am INSULTED AND SADDENED that McCain thought she'd attract Hillary's supporters, what a slap in our faces. Totally opposite on beliefs and actions. She does not represent me, or most women I know. Thank goodness. OK, I'm done now.

The woman is a craven, babbling panderer. You swooning breast-obsessed types might be buying this, but all I hear is an over-rehearsed folksy talking point machine.

Somebody please ask her about the dinosaurs.

Opps...she just opened the "maverick" door and McCain's record just tumbled out.

Go, Joe.

Smash that fake "maverick" label McCain is always bragging about when all he does
is follow in lockstep with Bush.

Sarah paLYIN' is still trying to spin the John the Maverick/ Sarah the Reformer LIE?

Wotta trooper!

Too bad their rhetoric and reality don't match up, eh?

Change?
Maverick?
Reform?

Glug
Glug
Glug.

Hmmm, gonna need more beer soon!

Be Well.

so...much...MAVERICK!!!

This 90 second format with no back and forth isn't a debate.

Even a blind squirrel can find a nut every once and awhile

empty suit model.

my experience a senator.

as campaigner.

as community organizer.

as a Rev Wright kool aid drinker.

That tie Joe has on looks like a blue spiderman tie...

I think the debate moderator is doing a terrific job. Fair and evenly balanced in her questions.

"...just remember, I told you all Obama would landslide to victory, long before he even won the Dem nomination.

#458 | Posted by ride_on"

Liar. You predicted McCain would win.

Biden choked up emotionally. He called her on playing the woman card

ROGERS!! WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!! I'll be good!!! WAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! I need to be self validated by my wingnut brethern cause I can't think for myself! WWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAHHHHH!

90 second answer with no follow up....

She does not represent me, or most women I know
Munch away.

I cry to Rcade?! Really??? Link please from the NULLandVOID one. Wonder what the flaggers problem is.

Nice monkey, Rode. Good boy!

He called her on playing the woman card

Every liberal has to cry sometime to appease the weakling far left..

I cry to Rcade?! Really???
#485 | Posted by ride_on at 2008-10-02 10:26 PM

If the pacifier fits.....

Liar. You predicted McCain would win.

#480 | Posted by nullifidian at 2008-10-02 10:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

LOL, you are the world's biggest joke and/or just delusional....which is it NULLandVOID...ROFLMAO.

"Every liberal has to cry sometime to appease the weakling far left.."

What a dick. The guy's wife was killed and his kids severely injured, jerk.

The woman is a craven, babbling panderer.
You swooning breast-obsessed types might be buying this, but all I hear is an over-rehearsed folksy talking point machine.

Posted by dutch46

hahahahahaha

Speaking of monkeys, Palin looks like she is going to pull out a trunk monkey...

If Biden considers Dick Cheney so evil, what has he done to keep him in check? Most of you cannot make the leap or do not want to.

She has a "diverse" family, did you know that??

yet another non answer...

Seriously Slicksterwilly - that all you can come up with?

"This 90 second format with no back and forth isn't a debate."

No argument there.

When Palin keeps saying "the peeeeeeople, the peeeeople" it drives me nuts.

The guy's wife was killed and his kids severely injured, jerk.

I know that Dan...

I said I'd admit if she didn't win...

Palin DID win,

Bottom line.

But Biden did well too.

Do YOU have the courage to admit YOUR opponent did well?

Yeah, a husband who has all but declared war on the US, a pregnant unmarried teen, and a baby with Down's.

Posted by ride_on at 2008-10-02 10:28 PM | Reply | Flag: Liar

Palin is incapable of answering a god damned question.

Never has someone talked so much to say so little.

OOOO, proud to be an american! Speaking to Obama's baby mama???


Spokesmodel.

Statesman.

I am INSULTED AND SADDENED that McCain thought she'd attract Hillary's supporters, what a slap in our faces. Totally opposite on beliefs and actions. She does not represent me, or most women I know. Thank goodness. OK, I'm done now

~Fedupyetagain

It was a cynical, pandering act of desperation.

It worked fer about five minutes until people started listening to Sarah.

This woman thinks a 15 yo girl who gets raped by a family member should be FORCED to carry the pregnancy to term.

She actually had the balls to CHARGE rape victims in Alaska fer their rape kits.

Yah, good luck getting the woman vote with THAT kinda record.

Yeesh!

Be Well.

/Tax and spend rhetoric Sarah? Yeah, THAT never gets old.
//As opposed to the "Borrow from Communists and spend like crazy" right?

Okay -- put partisanship aside --

How would you rate Palin tonight on a scale of 1 to 10?

I'd give probably give her a 7.

Maybe a 6 because she sure babbles on and on...

"Does she think she's sounding better by over emphasizing key words in her talking points?"

YEAH!

Sean helped her with that one!

Can Palin squeeze any more sound bites in one sentence? I think there is a world record in there some place.

Spokesmodel.

Statesman.

I give her a 5. She fills the time and that's about it.

2 on facts, and she only got that because she didn't faint or puke.

What a piece of shit. RideOn predicted a McCain landslide. Now he's saying he predicted an Obama landslide.

He can prove me wrong by producing the posts. Until then, he's a lying sack of shit.

I think they broke even. Most people will say their candidate won.

He kicked her ass on the VP question, but she did better than anyone thought she did...Do you guys think Joe took it easy on her?

You know what's really sad? All the "newcomers" that registered tonight just to insult Palin.

Good god, have some guts, you pantywaists. I usually don't care about sockpuppetry but this is ridiculous.

Thank God it's over.

Hopefully that's the last time I have to hear her voice for an extended period of time.

my ears just developed this whiney schreeching noise.

Sadly, there wasn't a single surprise question that required thinking on one's feet.

Totally expected questions, and no doubt precticed answers.

Sarah started out strong with her quiver full of recently memorised sound bites but by the end even she didn't sound like she believed herself.

Joe was consistently on point, knew John's abysmal record better than Sarah, and basically came off as authentic, serious and believable.

Biden FTW!

Be Well.

/Gwen did an excellent job.

What are they doing bringing a baby to the debate? Wow.

So often the abortion debate is focused on the pregnancies resulting from rape and molestation. If there was an exception for those cases, would you agree to outlaw abortion as a form of convenience?

Actually, the baby looks like a prop.

I'd give her a 4. While most pols say alot without really saying anything at all, she's truly perfected the technique. My God can she talk without addressing or making a point.

I'm starting a collection to buy sarah some "g"s. Ya know what I'm talkin' about?

Biden is hitting on her on cspan.

Spokesmodel.

Statesman.

#506 | Posted by Corky at 2008-10-02 10:30

Male models are quite normal these days, Cork...get used to it...

"Do you guys think Joe took it easy on her?"

He played it right. He addressed his strongest statements to Gwen or McCain.

Cnn has this running approval meter and i've been watching it. biden led most of the time. people responded to real substance and they turned off when she atarted waving the flag.

Abort a baby, but for gosh darn sake...don't bring them to a DEBATE!!!!!

Biden won easy

So, you are really this guy?

www.imdb.com

She gave that baby to that child to carry, if that child drops that kid....

Does she think she's sounding better by over emphasizing key words in her talking points?

#435 | Posted by jpw at 2008-10-02 10:19 PM | Reply | Flag

Yes. It is a form of hypnotism. It works on the weak minded. A solid core of about 25%.

I notice biden stayed around talking to Ifill and palin didnt...

Palin didn't embarrass herself, but she dodged too many questions. She also laid an egg with her comments on the Iraq War. The Republican talking point that McCain will win wars and Democrats want to lose them is stupid. All the talk on foreign policy was a no-win for her. Nobody buys the idea she knows how any of that works.

Biden, on a night when Palin was decent, was as good as I've seen him in a debate this year. He didn't make the mistake of attacking Palin, and he was polite without being condescending.

His expertise on foreign policy and the economic issues that are a Democratic strength were in evidence this evening.

All in all, I'd say it was a wash. Biden was better, but Palin didn't fulfill my expectation to stink up the joint. So I expect she'll do well in the post-game spin.

Actually, the baby looks like a prop.

#524 | Posted by boaz

ff !

Who the hell is this "republican" douche bag on CNN? He say's Palin won the economic parts of the debate. AAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHA. please. She was as bad in that section as the rest and it had the same result: Palin got completely owned!

"if that child drops that kid"

funny. I thought the same thing as she descended those steps

Biden won easy
yep especially with comments like this...

Biden:
They put together a piece of legislation that, in fact, was serious and real. Every major -- I shouldn't say every -- on the two at least that I named, I know that John McCain has been opposed to extending the arms control regime in the world.

I notice biden stayed around talking to Ifill and palin didnt...

#536 | Posted by boaz

respect among REAL professionals

She did much better than I thought she would. She had all the points down and presented them just like they prepped her for.

I believe the dems took the high road and kept to attacking McCain through Bush, leaving her out of it. I know that by taking the gloves off Biden would have scored a clear victory, but at what cost.

#541 | Posted by slicksterWilly

if i could dumb down my mind enough, i would tell you some palin lines....

respect among REAL professionals

I doubt Biden would have hung around if Bill Orelley was the mod...

This debate was good entertainment, but no new ground broken.

With the 90 second limit per candidate to answer questions, and no back and forth, it was really just answering anticipated questions with expected answers.

I notice biden stayed around talking to Ifill and palin didnt...

respect among REAL professionals

yep between a professional politician and political hack.

a real professional journalist would have revealed the conflict of interest she has.

She's a fucking clown. What's with that winking? What a hick.

Again, I agree with AU. I could have read these talking points on my own.

Pat Buchanahan says"Palin wiped the floor with Joe Biden" hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

The only thing Sarah is going to be wiping is McSame's ass when he shits himself on Election night.

She's a fucking clown. What's with that winking? What a hick.
are you a negro?

"What a hick"

Wow...you really know how to tap into the American people.

Palin didn't embarrass herself, but she dodged too many questions.

She wouldn't touch the word "deregulation" even when Biden brought it up again to her. What could she say anyway when McCain has done nothing but brag about himself being a sleezy deregulator and everyone knows that's one of the main causes for the economic mess we're in.

All in all, I'd say it was a wash. Biden was better, but Palin didn't fulfill my expectation to stink up the joint.

I would have loved to see a debate with Biden "unleased."
He would have really scored points but unfortunately he was forced to walk a fine line to come off appearing too aggressive or harsh towards a female opponent.

are you a negro?

#551 | Posted by slicksterWilly at 2008-10-02 10:44 PM

Are you from the 30's?

She's a fucking clown. What's with that winking? What a hick.

She seems corny as hell to me, and the folksy stuff just makes her seem like a noob. The wink was cheesy. But I'll bet a lot of people buy it.

good job sarah.. and for that matter... Biden did well..

probably didn't change anyone's mind.. but neither did their campaign any harm..

maybe that's the best either campaign could hope for

unleased = unleashed

LINE OF THE DEBATE:
"How long have I been at this? Five Weeks?"

(Yes honey, and there's a lot of people who think nothing of it, since they voted twice to put The Deciderer in office twice.)

she's a big old ball of nothingnness, with nothing real to say and a very unpleasant voice.

are you a negro?

What are you saying?

Paul Bugala said that they both accomplished what they came there for. She was there to repair her damaged image, and she did, at least with the base.

Biden was there to go after McCain and promote Obama, and he accomplished that, too.

The Repub hack agreed, no game changer.

And that's what McCain needs.

Who knows what Hail Mary we'll see next?

The Shadow knows!

Both of them looked at the camera--good eye contact--something neither McCain nor Obama did very well in their debate.

Palin visibly failed to understand at least two questions given her by the moderator, one of them on the issue of nuclear threshold.

Palin needs to try Porn for her next gig.

What a Phony fucking bitch.

"I'd like to go back to the energy question"

I loved how she would bring up, and then answer, her own question. What was really funny was how many times she answered her own question.....and GOT IT WRONG!

Boaz...I hate to break it to you, but it's highly unlikely Mr. Peabody will ever be asked to moderate anything.

are you a negro?
its a question to nullifidian.

this is diabolical.

they knew that Mcinsane can't possibly win so they bring in the aw shucks regular guy/woman - someone who appears almost average like the average dude, hoping that the majority of people aren't paying attention and they'll say shite like, "she's standing up to the powers that be - she's one of us, plus she's real cute"

So they bring in this person who may wind up being president of the united states. I think Joe felt that he was probably debating the future/maybe? prez so it was a big job.

I think he did great. He was presidential and she seemed like the novice she is.
Whom ever thought she would be a good running mate for the old cob is insane.
they should be fired. IN fact. ALL OF THEM EVERYWHERE SHOULD BE FIRED.

xceptKucinich

"She seems corny as hell to me, and the folksy stuff just makes her seem like a noob. The wink was cheesy. But I'll bet a lot of people buy it."

No question about that. Never underestimate the bad taste of the American public.

Dittos with RCADE. The format made for a lot of scripted answers on both sides. I see no movement in any polls for this.

Sassy Sarah! goes way too overboard with the cutsey, aw shucks, folksy verbiage.

Makes your blood sugar go through the roof at times.

Boaz...I hate to break it to you, but it's highly unlikely Mr. Peabody will ever be asked to moderate anything.

LOL, I guess you are right...

But I'll bet a lot of people buy it.
#555 | Posted by rcade at 2008-10-02 10:45 PM

No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.

McCain and Obama are both more intellectual than thier chosen running mates.

Corky, but what is the bottom line - WHO WON? I just got out of the office - missed it

Stick a fork in her.

Who knows what Hail Mary we'll see next?

God only knows what stunt McCain's campaign will pull next. Makes you want to crawl into bed and pull the covers over your head until election day.

She did well, saying nothing, and playing off of our idiotic infatuation with "folksy personality". Biden took her to school on foreign policy and, in fact, being a real human being, unlike Palin's Hollywood rehearsed performance of a stepford wife -- folksy of course.
Dog gone it? Enough of these bottom dwellers.

No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.
yes, many people believe Obama will bring change to Wash. Especially after choosing a VP who has been in Wash over 20 years.

So, Palin succeeeded by not swooning? As far as I can tell, that's the bottom line here. About the same standard as a 9th Grade debater.

On facts, Biden KILLED her.

From the simple perspective of who you would trust more to be President in the event of Obama's or McCain's death,

Biden wiped Palins ass all over the floor and anyone with a brain knows it.

No "Moose in the headlights" looks from Palin.

1 1/2 hours of entertainment. Nothing much more.

The format didn't lend itself to debate, but pat answers to not unexpected questions.

You have to wonder if the Repubs claiming Palin won this debate are just swallowing their own bullshit or if they lack the intellectual depth to see through her folksy awww shucks ridden non-answers.

On facts, Biden KILLED her.
Especially on the ones he made up.

1.5 hrs of media entertainment
why I didn't watch

Why ya all pointy headed city slickers don't knew shit. Sarah's a good old girl, and plays a mean banjo, ya hear?

Palin wants more power for the Vice President after the fuck face we have had for the last eight years.

What a dumb-ass this bitch is.

Palin Rocks...

Barracuda

polishing a turd.

WHO WON?

Both of them won, because they were there for different reasons.

If it were scored as a real debate, she would have been called out in the first half-hour for not answering questions.

Joe Biden: "The fundamental difference blah blah blah blah blah. The fundamental difference blah blah blah blah blah. The fundamental difference blah blah blah blah blah. The fundamental difference blah blah blah. The fundamental difference blah blah blah blah blah.

The fundamental difference blah blah blah blah blah. The fundamental difference blah blah blah blah blah. The fundamental difference blah blah blah blah blah. The fundamental difference blah blah blah. The fundamental difference blah blah blah blah blah.The fundamental difference blah blah blah blah blah.

The fundamental difference blah blah blah blah blah. The fundamental difference blah blah blah blah blah. The fundamental difference blah blah blah. The fundamental difference blah blah blah blah blah."

Borrrrrrrrrrrring!

Fredo C

WHO WON? I just got out of the office - missed it.

Overall Biden carried the debate as he was stronger on the issues -- much more confident plus she avoided some answers.
Palin, however, didn't fumble and bumble all over the place so if you're a Sarah fan, you could say she held her own.

The debate will probably be repeated again tonight at 9 p.m. (PST) and maybe on CNN at Midnight.
Check your local listing.

ZED

I swear I did see Palin swoon a tad when the question about the VP taking over the Presidency came up.

The 'shout out' to the 3rd graders was not what you'd expect from a VP candidate during a debate.

She read from her notes too much.

with her popularity waning, she needed to do more than "not fuck up"

she didn't

About the same standard as a 9th Grade debater.

#580 | Posted by Zed at 2008-10-02 10:51 PM |

Damn, and I thought they had gotten it down to 7th grade for her.
At least no one mentioned the age of the earth, or dinosaurs.
Or asked her why her husband wants to succeed from the US, or why she thinks it's ok to pressure the State's top law enforcement official to fire her ex-brother in law as an act of revenge, and then fire him when he won't do it.

Anyone who supports McSame/Palin needs to be lobotomized for the good of society.

"Palin did win...."

Really? By repeatedly answering questions she was never asked? Why isn't that brain-dead?

ed rollins is a nutsack

Fuck...i'm drunk....that damn slam a beer every time "maverick "is said sucked !

She read from her notes too much.
yes. She should have just made up facts like Biden did.

Something everyone should look at....

www.msnbc.msn.com

p.s. both did well, palin didn't freeze like a deer in headlights, but avoided answering too many questions.

joe didn't tear her apart as dems had hoped, but he did nail mcain to the cross so to speak.

LM

All this Palin bashing, and she still has more experience than Obama.

I'm sorry. My perception was Palin was a wind-up doll who often didn't seem to understand either what Biden or the moderator were saying to her. Why is that good?

Anyone who supports McSame/Palin needs to be lobotomized for the good of society.
briwo who will pay the taxes so you can get your govm't check each month?

"joe didn't tear her apart as dems had hoped, but he did nail mcain to the cross so to speak"

again, he played it right. he addressed his more heated comments to Gwen, to McCain, to the Bush administration or directly to the camera. never square on Palin

Slickster, please provide one fact Biden "made up" and then provide your proof for asserting so.

Either that, or shut the fuck up.

My wife and I were playing "Palin Bingo". You could print out bingo cards from a website with words and phrases like "Wasilla", "Job Creation", "Drill", "Evil", and "Pro Life".

I made bingo when she said "Job Creation".

My prize was a plate of warm chocolate chip cookies.

Already gone... LOL

but he did nail mcain to the cross so to speak.
didn't he shit on what ohmama would do, just more dribble about Bush...

Biden didn't LOSE it,
But Palin did WIN it.

"All this Palin bashing, and she still has more experience than Obama."

I can see why you like Palin. You're both married to your talking points.

Anyone who supports McSame/Palin needs to be lobotomized for the good of society.
briwo who will pay the taxes so you can get your govm't check each month?

#604 | Posted by slicksterWilly at 2008-10-02 10:56 PM

Once again, we are slayed by your rapier like wit.....

"WHO WON?

Both of them won, because they were there for different reasons.

If it were scored as a real debate, she would have been called out in the first half-hour for not answering questions"

Couldn't agree more...well said cork

LM

"she still has more experience than Obama"

poor performance in "executive" capacities is not the experience we're looking for

If anything was proved tonight, it was the truth of Matt Taibbi's assessment of Sarah Palin:

"Not only is Sarah Palin a fraud, she's the tawdriest, most half-assed fraud imaginable, 20 floors below the lowest common denominator, a character too dumb even for daytime TV -and this country is going to eat her up, cheering her every step of the way. All because most Americans no longer have the energy to do anything but lie back and allow ourselves to be jacked off by the calculating thieves who run this grasping consumer paradise we call a nation."

Briwo, put down the bong, zip up your pants and read this you punk assed fool. The entire quote is a lie.

"Barack Obama, first thing he did when he came to the United States Senate, new senator, reached across the aisle to my colleague, Dick Lugar, a Republican, and said, "We've got to do something about keeping nuclear weapons out of the hands of terrorists."

They put together a piece of legislation that, in fact, was serious and real. Every major -- I shouldn't say every -- on the two at least that I named, I know that John McCain has been opposed to extending the arms control regime in the world. "

"Do you have the courage to admit your oponent did well....?

I think Palin evaded a goldfish moment, where she seemed gasping for air. But, no, an intellect she is not. Nor ever will be. So what's the point of her in public office?

-rapier like wit.....

There are circles sharper than Willy.

Just remember, when ol' Joe was campaigning, he said that Bary didn't have the experience. Now he sings his praises.

It's all smoke and mirrors with these policians. I'd rather have someone who's real. Sarah Palin was real. Joe was plastic politician...as usual.

OK, NULLandVOID, here is your post from just a bit ago....Under that post is a post I made on June 19th. I'm not going to search back farther than June (that would be Han's job, but he hasn't been around for awhile). So even in June I was reminding people I predicted this some time before that. Most already know you're an idiot, but this will help the remainder.

What a piece of shit. RideOn predicted a McCain landslide. Now he's saying he predicted an Obama landslide.

He can prove me wrong by producing the posts. Until then, he's a lying sack of shit.

#514 | Posted by nullifidian at 2008-10-02 10:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Months ago a DR poster predicted Obama for the Dems and McCain for the Repubs. Then he predicted that Obama would win in a landslide.

Oh yeah, Hans can post the links when he comes back for the election and the person that went on record months ago,

was of course......

....RIDE_ON.

Posted by ride_on at 2008-06-19 06:14 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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Ride On

"Another day, dethspud.
Just say no to man-crack"

No need to go there.

He's just mentally ill. Schizophrenia to be specific.

Besides third person idiocy, multiple people talking in his head, he's convinced Americans care what a psycho Canadian thinks.

willy,

He embarrassed mccain...hammered him in with thick nails.

LM

#614 | Posted by nullifidian

hey i like that. who is matt taibbi?

They just repeated Palin saying, "Hey, America. Us Average Joes and Hockey Moms need to band together"

"Not only is Sarah Palin a fraud, she's the tawdriest, most half-assed fraud imaginable, 20 floors below the lowest common denominator, a character too dumb even for daytime TV -and this country is going to eat her up, cheering her every step of the way. All because most Americans no longer have the energy to do anything but lie back and allow ourselves to be jacked off by the calculating thieves who run this grasping consumer paradise we call a nation."

#614 | Posted by nullifidian at 2008-10-02 10:59 PM

true story

I agree with AU. it was a 90 minute "let me get my shots in" bunch of horseshit.

Seems to me that nobody on this board was swayed either way -- most in fact would be right to say:

"Joe/Sarah (pick your poison) had me at hello."

"All this Palin bashing, and she still has more experience than Obama."

#604 | Posted by slicksterWilly at 2008-10-02 10:56 PM

Gauging her by the number of children she has and her extramarital affairs, she certainly has more experience when it comes to sex anyway...which by the way has nothing to do with brains.

I loved the cheney bizarre comment

They just repeated Palin saying, "Hey, America. Us Average Joes and Hockey Moms need to band together"
Almost like the book "The Age of Obama". Just a different hair texture.

hey i like that. who is matt taibbi?

Watch bill maher, dudes on their all the time...pretty funny guy, not afraid to speak his mind.

But he is/was rolling stones editor...or assistant editor....

LM

The entire quote is a lie.

"Barack Obama, first thing he did when he came to the United States Senate, new senator, reached across the aisle to my colleague, Dick Lugar, a Republican, and said, "We've got to do something about keeping nuclear weapons out of the hands of terrorists."

They put together a piece of legislation that, in fact, was serious and real. Every major -- I shouldn't say every -- on the two at least that I named, I know that John McCain has been opposed to extending the arms control regime in the world. "

#615 | Posted by slicksterWilly at 2008-10-02 10:59 PM

You saying so, doens't make it so. Proof please, or again, Shut the fuck up.

I think Palin evaded a goldfish moment, where she seemed gasping for air. But, no, an intellect she is not. Nor ever will be. So what's the point of her in public office?

Cuz your fuck up intellectual politicians are as corrupt as three dollar bills and you keep voting them in. Oh well, as long as the welfare checks keep coming in, why not?

Boring............... Damn that sucked what a let down. Palin probably did win just by holding her own but the whole thing was BORING

Just in -- CBS Insta-poll results showed Biden won the debate by 2 to 1.

I agree.

Sassy Sarah! goes way too overboard with the cutsey, aw shucks, folksy verbiage.

Come on CaliGirl...

Sarah is Cute as hell and is your next VP!

Fozzy Bear couldn't have done any better.

Palin was good.

Biden was excellent.

You saying so, doens't make it so. Proof please, or again, Shut the fuck up.
That's the text from the debate you ass fissure.

I hope when this is all over when Obama wins....I never see or hear this phony fucking bitches name again.

She sickens me .

That cheesy cornball belongs on the remake of Petticoat Junction, not on a presidential ticket. God save America from this mediocrity.

Thanks, LM.

Wasn't she in Fargo?

Just home from watching the "debate" at Demo headquarters.

As one poster pointed out earlier, Sarah will come out ahead if she doesn't shit in her pants. She didn't do that. In everything else, she was patently outclassed.

Catching my ear again and again was her references to the "greed and corruption of Wall Street."

Never mind that she gave nary a one suggestion as to how "John and I" would deal with that. The real stickler was that she and John ARE, after all, the party of greed and corruption. herm

Just in -- CBS Insta-poll results showed Biden won the debate by 2 to 1.
Ah, the network of Katy. Well that convinces me.

"the person that went on record months ago"

Your claim. Your job to back it up.

"Cuz your fuck-up intellectual politicians...."

Don't like intellectuals? I assume you're not one, then? An intellectual, I mean.

God save America from this mediocrity.

#638 | Posted by nullifidian

Yes, amen

I'd give Biden a 7.5
And Palin an 8

It reminded me of Tyson/Holyfield--a slugfest that wasn't LOST by Tyson, but *was* WON by Holyfield.

CBS poll? LOL...LOL Gee, why am I not surprised by those results?

I wonder if CBS poll, and "objective" can be said in the same sentence?

The real stickler was that she and John ARE, after all, the party of greed and corruption. herm
And Herm is the symbol of stupidity.

Come on CaliGirl...

Sarah is Cute as hell and is your next VP!

Fozzy Bear couldn't have done any better.

#634 | Posted by Beachbuzz

Hey there, Stir!

Still got one of your cabins saved for me in case I need a vacation? hahaha

She sickens me

USATrueandBlue7 someone is dropping money on the interstate. Go pick it up.

everybody is fucked if they don't agree with me.

----slickandstupid

Maybe someone would tell me why writing a book is a 'conflict of interest." herm

hey i like that. who is matt taibbi?

www.alternet.org

those who think Palin "won", why? seriously, cite specifics

Do YOU have the courage to admit YOUR opponent did well?

#500 | Posted by kirk at 2008-10-02 10:29 PM

Palin did better than I thought she would but Joe Biden's answers made hers look like she was still in high school.

When she couldn't lie and get away with it she resorted to those zingers and one liners just like I thought she would.

She is a right wing puppet. She will take orders from the neo-cons to continue their policies.

It's obvious she is not strong enough to put forth her own strategies.

"And Palin an 8.0....."

Reminds me of all those earnest people who thought Bush won his debates.

Maybe someone would tell me why writing a book is a 'conflict of interest." herm

Your just full of Macacca.

because books have words and we know how bad words are. they lead to thinking and thats the last thing we need in this country.

----the right----

Iffil did a horrible job moderating

1. many of hte questions poor
2. went off format
3. asked palin 3 or 4 questions in a row.
4. follow ups poor

I give her a F

"When she couldn't lie and get away with it...."

Ah, you noticed Palin's lies also?

NULLandVOID, simply google: ride_on, obama landslide, then click on the third link down. Further proof of your loser status. With one simple google search there is a June 6th, 2008 reference to my Obama landslide prediction. I'll let you or Hans go back farther than that. Point proven. NULLandVOID (aka Billy'O'Crap'O') is a well earned name by you.

All this anti-Palin ranting makes me think of the guy who whistles while walking through the grave yard. He whistles to help himself think that all is well. But his whistling just can't keep the darkness away. Poor Dems. Keep whistling!

Biden got out of this without a major gaffe, which made not a few Dems stop twitching and start smiling.

And she didn't actually drool a lot while she wasn't answering questions, so Repubs are happy.

Isn't this bi-partisan stuff fun?

Palin did not answer what McCains plan is. Biden spelled out what Obama would do. Probably because McCain does not have a plan.

I see they've lightened up her hair with blondish red streaks in the front. Looks pretty good. Also looks like they had her get rid of the ugly bee-hive hairdo and is now wearing it flatter and more in style.

Women notice this stuff. lol

~CChris.

Spud didn't give it a second look but at the very start of the gig on the CNN feed Anna Marie Cox (aka The Wonkette) made a mullet joke about Sarah's hair and brought it to Spud's attention.

"Business in the front, party in the back" sed AMC

Spud LOL'd.

he's convinced Americans care what a psycho Canadian thinks.

~Babyhuey

Awww, how sweet Spud's stalker is back.

Quit sending flowers to Spud already, will ya?

Yer just embarrassing yerself with that creepy action.

Be Well.

Ah, you noticed Palin's lies also?

#660 | Posted by Zed at 2008-10-02 11:10 PM

yes! but, so did Biden and he did call her on a few!

I will be very interested in the Fact Check scorecard following this debate.

WTF is a "Bosniac" anyway?

"Anti-Palin ranting...."

She's just not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

"Whistling past the graveyard...."

Did you hear McCain is conceding Michigan?

Biden spelled out what Obama would do.
Bullshit. He did nothing but attack Bush and compare McCain to Bush. He said very little about the empty suit.

"Wasn't she in Fargo?"

I don't know but after I moved to Texas, I wondered if there could be anything more annoying than some of the country twang shit I heard or the inner city ghetto slang, damn near need an interpreter. I know have heard a more annoying voice, she sounds like a cross between that Pat character from SNL and the chick in Fargo.

LM

"Posted by ride_on at 2008-10-02 11:10 PM"

RideOn--when he's not crying to Rcade to get off suspension--makes absurd predictions that McCain is going to win in a landslide. ROFLMAO. What a shmuck!

I notice biden stayed around talking to Ifill and palin didnt...

#536 | Posted by boaz

respect among REAL professionals--LIP

Maybe you should have watched a little longer. She introduced her husband to her and they shook hands.

Biden spelled out what Obama would do. Probably because McCain does not have a plan.

Now if we could just see that side of Obama...you know, the one where he actually does something? Anyone can "say" what he's going to do. Voting "present" however, demonstrates otherwise!

If brains were lard Gov. Palin could not grease a very big pan.

I will be very interested in the Fact Check scorecard following this debate.

~DB

Spud as well.

Be Well.

/ Post Debate ** DB ** of EPIC propertions!

"I will be very interested in the Fact Check scorecard following this debate."

I already posted the link, but here it is again, it will disgust you....

www.msnbc.msn.com

LM

She kicked his 34 year old senate record ass.

....no problem....NULLandVOID can't even fess up when he is obvioulsy caught in a lie. Too funny. The NULLandVOID one=pathetic. But, we knew that.

Liberal_Mongrel why do you provide a left wing hack site as proof of facts?

FUCKING Cubs! God FUCKING DAMMIT!

Sarah is Cute as hell and is your next VP!

Fozzy Bear couldn't have done any better.

#634 | Posted by Beachbuzz

Does anyone really believe if she wasn't cute as hell with a new pair of $500 Dollar designer glasses every time you see her she would be on the McCain ticket???

Come on...wake up people and get a fucking brain!!!

It all shock value with Republicans.(In this case Sex value) Any asshole off the street could be schooled for a debate like this and do equally as well.

P.S. The big question is....Will John McCain put Sarah back in her cage after this or let her talk in public ????

My guess is the former.

Can I call you Joe?

I'm going to the Presidential debate Tuesday. I'm pretty excited about going, although I'll probably have to watch it on TiVo when I get home. It's a pretty large venue and I'm pretty sure I won't be in the front row LOL

Enjoyed sharing another debate with y'all, although this one was a bit of a yawner.

The good news is that--given that Palin is too chicken to give interviews or press conferences--we may never have to have our ears assaulted by her cackling voice again!

She kicked his ass.

She was the only one that could relate to the common taxpayer.

Voting "present" however, demonstrates otherwise!

That old chestnut again?

** deep sigh **

One more time then, idjit.

The "present" vote as used in the Illinois state senate is a tactic (as opposed to a strategy you understand) to declare that the bill needs more work before yer willing to vote either fer or against.

Hell, at least Obama voted.

In the US Senate, McCan't voted less often than everybody else including Tim Johnson who spent MONTHS IN BED WITH A BRAIN HEMORRHAGE.

Spin that, ya hack.

Be Well.

If mccain or obama become president and die on January 25, 2009.

I would be comfortable if Biden became President.

I would more to canada if Palin became president.

ol sarah really likes answering questions, awful nice of her, you know without the media filter of her very own words.

"Thou shalt not lie with a man as thou liest with a woman, for it is an abomination before the lord"

...or something close to that.

#356 | Posted by soheifox

Does that mean they're not supposed to do it in front of God-or are not supposed to do it UNTIL He does?

She was the only one that could relate to the common taxpayer.

#686 | Posted by Mato

why cause she SAID she related?

cause that is the only factual evidence of the link.

projects.washingtonpost.com

There's a link to that last spuddish assertion, in case you were thinking of challenging Spud on it.

Spud's good like that.

Be Well.

I certainly did notice that biden gave alot of fact or data that could be either substanciated. It is nice seeing that.

"Liberal_Mongrel why do you provide a left wing hack site as proof of facts?"

Because I didn't find one on the foxnews site, but if you have a link by all means post, or shut up....

LM

Where was Murphy tonight?

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com

LM

I betcha hey dat Palin won cuz, ya know she dint come across like a complete idiot like before when she thought she was sposed to answer da questions, not just talk straight.

I hope she comes our veep cuz as an average Joe I like that kinda straight talk. An just like the swift boat guys that made Kerry a war dodger and George Bush a war hero, I like that she made Biden and the dems look bad for always looking back at the Bush years cuz she and John are mav-ricks and had nothin to do with that and didn't support one thing dat Bush did, it's water over the dam, and that's the straight talk.

So often the abortion debate is focused on the pregnancies resulting from rape and molestation. If there was an exception for those cases, would you agree to outlaw abortion as a form of convenience?

#523 | Posted by Monster

NO.....

appease the weakling far left..

Well now, a neoliberal republican calling one of his candidates a weakling far left.......and yet he is tried and true going to vote for her come hell or high water.

No one needs to even debate with you, can't win anything with a drunk.

Palin won?!!??

That's got to hurt, Libs

Palin succeeded in that she exceeded low expectations. And she let GOPs breathe a sigh of relief. Biden succeeded in that he made no embarrassing gaffes and was reasonably assertive in the company of a macho-macho feminine woman.

Actually it was pretty entertaining. But is was light on substance, and that is just what Palin's handlers wanted. Heck, you cannot sell hamburgers on their nutritional content. Why sell a vice presidency (or presivdency) on content?

I betcha hey dat Palin won cuz, ya know she dint come across like a complete idiot like before when she thought she was sposed to answer da questions, not just talk straight.

I hope she comes our veep cuz as an average Joe I like that kinda straight talk. An just like the swift boat guys that made Kerry a war dodger and George Bush a war hero, I like that she made Biden and the dems look bad for always looking back at the Bush years cuz she and John are mav-ricks and had nothin to do with that and didn't support one thing dat Bush did, it's water over the dam.

"That redneck bitch is trailer trash. Her daughter had a baby out of wedlock. Only Black people on welfare can do that and everyone knows it. When I'm president I will give all Black people reparations and a free house to make up for not getting 40 acres and a mule. Fuck Whitey!"

Barry O

I would be comfortable if Biden became President.

I sure would be too. Obama is still wet behind the ears.
Too new, not enough track record, not enough time under his belt to take on this job.

Obama should be VP and Biden should be President.
Then afterwards Obama could run for President and have a lot more credibiity as to being better able to handle the job.

So why is the retort deleting my comments regarding Palin winning the debate?

She embarrassed the 34 year senator.

"That's got to hurt, Libs

#700 | Posted by Eddie "

Why do libertarian shitheads care one way or the other?

I betcha hey dat Palin won cuz, ya know she dint come across like a complete idiot like before when she thought she was sposed to answer da questions, not just talk straight.

I hope she comes our veep cuz as an average Joe I like that kinda straight talk. An just like the swift boat guys that made Kerry a war dodger and George Bush a war hero, I like that she made Biden and the dems look bad for always looking back at the Bush years cuz she and John are mav-ricks and had nothin to do with that and didn't support one thing dat Bush did, it's water over the dam.

cc, Obama/Biden have the formula down correctly

Obama has the message, the charisma, the vision.

biden is the beauracrat to get stuff done

mccain is the beauracrat with no vision
palin offers.... tits

though you can't see it, OUR opponent did better than expected. she didn't fuck up

My question is still out there:

Is this the best-prepared, educated and experienced Republican woman in America the party could find?

We got 300 million Americans here, you know.

Lil black dress does it again ...damn sucker for that .

you have an odd standard of winning if you think palin won the debate

she came across bumpkinish, without substance, programmed and scripted without knowledge, frequently ignoring the questions posed to her

I know that Dan...

Yep, that's why the comment came right!

What is nice but you idiots on the neoliberal right will never acknowledge is Biden was very nice to her.

There are so many issues he could have mashed at her character but stayed away, and frankly after some of her slanting jibes at his character not sure anyone here would have been so nice.

she didn't fuck up

and that is the gold standard for republicans

i for one was hoping biden would crush her, in fact I wish he did, but would that have been teh best?

did I watch the same debate as the rest of you? it was clear to me Palin had no idea what she was talking about. there was no conviction in her words, just an empty, scripted shell.

It was like she was hypnotized or reprogrammed or something, almost like a robot with her talking points memorized.

though you can't see it, OUR opponent did better than expected. she didn't fuck up

#709 | Posted by steamingpile

Not only that, she kicked ass.

Namely, Obama and Biden ass.

based on what reality based metric?

Indepth analysis of debate.

There are so many issues he could have mashed at her character but stayed away,
Yeah like when she plagiarized those papers in college. Oh, he did that. Sorry.

WTF is a "Bosniac" anyway?

Good question.

Righty Tighies thought they caught Biden in a gaffe in the debate when he referred to folk from Bosnia as "Bosniacs".

Folks thought he meant the more familiar term "Bosnians".

The Bosniaks or Bosniacs are a South Slavic people, living mainly in Bosnia and Herzegovina ("Bosnia") and the Sandak region of Serbia and Montenegro, with a smaller autochthonous population also present in Croatia, Kosovo and the Republic of Macedonia. Bosniaks are typically characterized by their tie to the Bosnian historical region, traditional adherence to Islam, and common culture and language.

In the English-speaking world, Bosniaks are most commonly known as Bosnian Muslims. Using information from the CIA World Fact Book, it can be seen that Bosnian Muslim is an imprecise synonym for Bosniak, because in Bosnia, Bosniaks make up 48% of the population, but only 40% of the population (of B&H) is Muslim.[26] Bosniaks are also referred to as Bosnians,[27] but this is also imprecise, as the term Bosnians can also be used to denote all inhabitants of Bosnia regardless of ethnic origin (i.e. not only Bosniaks, but also Bosnian Serbs, Bosnian Croats or any other group in the country).


en.wikipedia.org

Clear?

Be Well.

she just sunk McPlayin

"So why is the retort deleting my comments regarding Palin winning the debate?"

I decided to delete them because they were too stupid to publish. Sorry.

--The Management

It was like she was hypnotized or reprogrammed or something, almost like a robot with her talking points memorized.

#717 | Posted by halo3 at 2008-10-02 11:34 PM ?

Yeah, sucks to see a real person talk.

You are so out of the mainstream you can't see the real world.


I betcha hey dat Palin won cuz, ya know she dint come across like a complete idiot ....
#702 | Posted by reebop

No, but you did....

LOL!

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thanks for your input kookaid now go away

"like when she plagiarized those papers in college."

Which one of the five?

Undecided Independent's Poll:
Who won the debate tonight?
Biden: 46%
Palin: 21%
Tie: 33%


she didn't fuck up

and that is the gold standard for republicans

#714 | Posted by truthhurts

2 words...

Barney Frank

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

#723 | Posted by dethspud at 2008-10-02 11:36 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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Tater,

I guess she didn't get the memo about W's policies not being relevent!

Undecided Independent's Poll:
Who won the debate tonight?
Biden: 46%
Palin: 21%
Tie: 33%

source is MSNBC.

"sucks to see a real person talk"

wtf does this mean? she's real, so I'm gonna vote for her. hell, I'm fucking real. I'm real fucking stupid. would you vote for me?

If you saw it any other way then Palin destroying 'Scrappy Joe Scranton', you are both a liar and stupid.

source is MSNBC.

Source is CBS, and the same poll they did after the Presidential Debate turned out accurate.

"were proven wrong once again for the thousandth time tonight."

That's your conclusion on your first day?!?

Who else have you posted as, sockpuppet?

Biden is voting McCain / Palin, don't fool your self thinking otherwise......

Palin rocked.

You deniers are drinking too much Kool Aid or refuse to grip reality.

I bet you deniers didn't get that tingly feeling up your legs.


source is MSNBC.

Source is CBS, and the same poll they did after the Presidential Debate turned out accurate.

#736 | Posted by YAV

Accurate to what?

It depends on who you ask! It's an opinion. You treat it like fact.

The debates are the only chance to see the candidates at their best before voting.

If you saw it any other way then Palin destroying 'Scrappy Joe Scranton', you are both a liar and stupid.

#735 | Posted by r_zeitgeist

yes she won the bizzaro world debate that Governo Paintin held answering questions posed by the voices in her head as opposed to those questions posed by the moderator.

"There are so many issues he could have mashed at her character but stayed away,
Yeah like when she plagiarized those papers in college. Oh, he did that. Sorry."

Like the largest infrastructure project she referred, that is not even in the works yet and that she even said in august of this year "it's not a done deal yet".......even more fantastically is she said it would create jobs for americans, and yet the only money earmarked so far(500 million) is for a Canadian company.....Transcanada.....wh
at a dumb bitch!!

You can pick if I was referring to you or her......

LM

Mato, you may be having a stroke. seek medical attention

If you saw it any other way then Palin destroying 'Scrappy Joe Scranton', you are both a liar and stupid.

#735 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2008-10-02 11:41 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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One word: Prozac

If you thought Palin won this debate you are in desperation hoping that no one saw her lack of insight and knowledge on nearly every subject in the debate. You also succumb to her looks and her self-portrayal as a "patriotic" news anchor.


"sucks to see a real person talk"

wtf does this mean? she's real, so I'm gonna vote for her. hell, I'm fucking real. I'm real fucking stupid. would you vote for me?

#734 | Posted by steamingpile

I thought Biden was articulate

SHE"S ONLY BEEN AROUND FOR 5 WEEKS!

SO PLEASE VOTE FOR TEAM MAVERICK!

You know what's really sad? All the "newcomers" that registered tonight just to insult Palin.

Good god, have some guts, you pantywaists. I usually don't care about sockpuppetry but this is ridiculous.

~Foxylady

Wow, Spud was gonna post saying the same thing only about noobs who signed up to insult Biden.

"Capt Depends" being the most egregious example fer Spud's argument.

Guess that's a perspective thing.

Who's number one of yer list?

Be Well.

"The debates are the only chance to see the candidates at their best before voting. "

Or in Palin's case, before vomiting.

Hey there, Stir!

Still got one of your cabins saved for me in case I need a vacation? hahaha

You bet...get on over to the east coast for a change of pace.

wemare not voting for a vp anyway

unless of course you think McFalin cant make it another 4 yrs.

The debates are the only chance to see the candidates at their best before voting. "

or in Palin's case before vetting.


"The debates are the only chance to see the candidates at their best before voting. "

Or in Palin's case, before vomiting.

#749 | Posted by nullifidian

Null, are you in highschool?

"Where was Murphy tonight?"

Supposedly on some cruise to rip off her clients.

Ok, she didn't totally self-destruct.

but Biden knocked it the f**k out of the park. Game, set, and match.

Accurate to what?
It depends on who you ask! It's an opinion. You treat it like fact.

Accurate in the sense that successive polls matched the result, and the result was mirrored more states being put into play. I wouldn't expect this will happen with the VP debate, but I would expect other polls will reflect the CBS polling numbers.

Hey there, Stir!

Still got one of your cabins saved for me in case I need a vacation? hahaha

You bet Cali...get to the east coast for some rest and relaxiation. I can even arrange for a massage in your cabin.


The debates are the only chance to see the candidates at their best before voting. "

or in Palin's case before vetting.

#752 | Posted by truthhurts

WHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

-- MainStreamMedia

(LOL!!)

Got to admit, Truth, you set me up for that one.

lol, first of all, Palin never came anywhere close to winning. She had prepared speaches and she followed them with disregard for the questions. She looked like a novice compared to the expert Biden.

Kirk, I will give you this. Palin looked great compared to her nonsensical statements in every unscripted interview she has done.

I thought Biden was articulate

#746 | Posted by Eddie

ok. I thought Palin pronounced words correctly, with the exception of "nuclear."

what's your point?

GOTCHA!!!!!

Damn you libs are digging deep.

Are they none of you out there with the balls to admin Palin kicked ass tonight?

Are all of you so partisan that you fail to admit when others are correct?

If you saw it any other way then Palin destroying 'Scrappy Joe Scranton', you are both a liar and stupid.

~Rex the Wonder Dog

Just cos Palin didn't piss herself when Joe set her straight don't mean she won jackshit, Wexter.

Her pre-canned and largely untrue talking points were weaker than a cuppa scottish tea.

She came across as being nervous, evasive and waaay out of her league.

Biden came across as a caring, committed statesman who deserved to be there.

If you didn't see it then yer eyes musta been closed.

Be Well.

putting everything else aside

a democratic candidate should not cry in public.

So here's the question I asked after seeing the debate: can you see this person being president someday if, God forbid, it came to that? My answer:

Biden: definitely yes.

Palin: definitely no.

I guess Palin is hoping that she'll be like Bush Senior and learn the ropes when she is VP. Perhaps she forgot Bush Senior ran for president during the primaries and had been head of the CIA and had been ambassador to China.

The moments of true emotion in the debate all went to Biden. Palin seemed much more superficial in her answers, both on the substance and on feelings.

It should be made into a law: If you cannot pronounce "nuclear" properly, you cannot be trusted with our country's "nuclear" arsenal and therefore, you should be forbidden from joining the executive branch.

Biden sounded strangely like Bill Clinton in the debates before he was elected. Health Care, No tax cuts for the rich....

you know... talking points for low IQs.

"source is MSNBC."

Lil willy, how come you haven't posted your own poll or fact check.....oh yeah, your bitch sucked!!

LM

I can even arrange for a massage in your cabin.

Not by me, but a reputable local establishment. haha

I guess Palin is hoping that she'll be like Bush Senior and learn the ropes when she is VP. Perhaps she forgot Bush Senior ran for president during the primaries and had been head of the CIA and had been ambassador to China.

The moments of true emotion in the debate all went to Biden. Palin seemed much more superficial in her answers, both on the substance and on feelings.

#765 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2008-10-02 11:51 PM

You want to try that in context?

Your not really that weak are you?

yeah cause clinton/s presidency was so horrible

you know tremendous economic growth, stock market through the roof, no lost wars.

that horrible horrible time to be an american

mato, search the web

you are now a minority

TOmato or toMATO, who cares anyway you slice it, your a moron!

Do you have the guts to admit that when it's so obvious??

LM

Palin was a breathing talking point tonight. I listeneded to her talk radio interviews this week and she repeated the exact same points tonight as she did in the debates. I guess that is a good strategy for tonight but the fact is, we still dont know her. You will see the poll numbers reflect this by the next debate.

www.guardian.co.uk

Biden 72%
Palin 28%

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Be Well.

Her pre-canned and largely untrue talking points were weaker than a cuppa scottish tea.

#763 | Posted by dethspud


Both had untrue talking points, there, spud.

Hey, when am I going to convince you to vote 3rd party?

correction Biden 79%
Palin 21%

That's 'Rex the Wonder Dawg'.

Face it.

Mid America saw her rip his ass. Only pardinsents will see her performance as a failure.

Face it.

Mid America saw her rip his ass. Only pardinsents will see her performance as a failure.

Another thing that became clear to me tonight is that if Obama/Biden win the election, they will make a good team. They both have drive and passion as well as compassion and knowledge. I especially liked Biden's answer on how to promote bipartisanship: question the opponent's judgement but not their motives.

forums.wsj.com

Biden 50%
Palin 48%


www.guardian.co.uk

Biden 72%
Palin 28%

#775 | Posted by truthhurts

Guardian, CBS, MSNBC have the same politics!

That's wierd, I thought they were supposed to be partial. You know fair and balanced! Goofball.

Just cos Palin didn't piss herself when Joe set her straight don't mean she won jackshit, Wexter.
Her pre-canned and largely untrue talking points were weaker than a cuppa scottish tea.
She came across as being nervous, evasive and waaay out of her league.
Biden came across as a caring, committed statesman who deserved to be there.
If you didn't see it then yer eyes musta been closed.

Come on Spud...Palin held her own. And I'll bet in Canada most of you folks wish she could hold yer own!!!

Palin rocked. Clean coal should be the only concern you should have considering Canada has the worlds largest supply. I'm all for a Molsen pipeline to the US as well as a clean coal supply.

*impartial

MSNBC
Biden 53
Palin 37

www.msnbc.msn.com

Gov. Palin loves America first. Period, plain and simple. Not like Hussein

I like Joe Biden, he is in a bad situation, he doesn't believe in Hussein, but it's his only chance at V.P.

Biden isn't stupid, he is voting McCain / Palin.

wall street journal has biden winning!

If these stupid ass democrats want to talk about this and move it to the clinton years than they have lost my vote.

There is a reason the clintons are not here and there are millions of democrats that will vacate the party because of the clintons so it would be intellectually smart to not make comparisons.

"Palin loves America first"

sadly, the sentiment isn't mutual

forums.wsj.com

phpBB : Critical Error

(Made me chuckle)

"The debates are the only chance to see the candidates at their best before voting. "

Or in Palin's case, before vomiting.

#749 | Posted by nullifidian at 2008-10-02 11:45 PM |

Null, you need to seek professional help. That kind of hate is not healthy.

gee link worked for me

gnite

MSNBC

Give me a break

The lowest rated network.

Frick, Shake yourself!

www.drudgereport.com

Since we are posting poll results"

{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?...

BIDEN

26% 43,473


PALIN

72% 120,022

NEITHER

2% 2,988

Total Votes: 166,483

Gov. Palin loves America first. Period, plain and simple. Not like Hussein

Amen brother!

If you don't love America, FUCK YOU.

Period.

I have lived overseas more then 95% of any Americans that post here, I speak multiple languages and I would be more comfortable in a major european city, then in an American one.

But I don't don't have any qualms about what country is the best in the world.

God Bless America.

********
Palin connects with that.

Mato, feel free to substantiate with your own "fair and balanced" support

gee link worked for me
gnite

#794 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2008-10-03 12:03 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Works for me now, too. I just enjoyed getting the error the first time.

MSNBC

Give me a break
The lowest rated network.
Frick, Shake yourself!

You are so last year. Do catch up with the current rankings.

Damn Straight Brother Beachbuzz!

"Gov. Palin loves America first. Period, plain and simple."

That's why she's got that canadien accent, eh?

Landslide for dems in about a month..........thnx saaaaarrrrrraaaaaa and mcpain

LM


wall street journal has biden winning!

#789 | Posted by truthhurts

LOL, Truth, you liar.

This is what I found on WSJ:

Joe Biden 16025 votes (46.7%)
Sarah Palin 17671 votes (51.5%)
Neither 590 votes (1.7%)

Dude, why would you lie?

"{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?..."

and I heard matt voted 139,000 x's.

LM

For example, when he said McCain voting against funding for the troops he accidentally admitted the bill he voted against had an artificial timeline to bring troops home before Al Qaeda was defeated.

I guess the palin main street wasilla supporter just didn't get the slight correction Biden was making to give Palin a heads up about making slanted voting records.

Biden did a nice political gesture here.

#742 | Posted by Liberal_Mongrel at 2008-10-02 11:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

Mato, you may be having a stroke. seek medical attention

Really?

How so?

"no I wouldn't vote for you"

That makes two of us. The difference between you and me is that I'm smart enough to know that voting for Palin is as almost as wise as voting for steamingpile.

Jimi Hendrix, S.S.B.

So here's the question I asked after seeing the debate: can you see this person being president someday if, God forbid, it came to that? My answer:

Biden: definitely yes.

Palin: definitely no.

~Gal Tuesday.

QFT!

That's the only relevant question.

Thems the only real answers.

Both had untrue talking points, there, spud.

~Eddie

That's *a-hem* Debatable.

Hey, when am I going to convince you to vote 3rd party?

Spud's voting Green Party in the upcoming Canadian election.

Does that count?

^_^

That's 'Rex the Wonder Dawg'.

~Rex the Wonder Dawg

All apologies.

Come on Spud...Palin held her own. And I'll bet in Canada most of you folks wish she could hold yer own!!!

~Peachfuzz

She exceeded expectations by jumping over the limbo bar.

In terms of Sarah holding Spud's own?

Meh, her Milfy goodness is past it's "best before" date especially as she edges into GILF teritory.

Be Well.

/Alright boys and girls, Spud's off to watch the Canadian PM debate wot took place tonight.
//Tonight was the one in English. Oh Joy!
///Bon Soir me Americano pals, Spud is now gonna make like a baby and head out, as ya do,
stage left.


"Gov. Palin loves America first. Period, plain and simple."

That's why she's got that canadien accent, eh?

Landslide for dems in about a month..........thnx saaaaarrrrrraaaaaa and mcpain

LM

#804 | Posted by Liberal_Mongrel

Hey Lib,

Have another beer, Dude.

"Not only is Sarah Palin a fraud, she's the tawdriest, most half-assed fraud imaginable, 20 floors below the lowest common denominator, a character too dumb even for daytime TV -and this country is going to eat her up, cheering her every step of the way. All because most Americans no longer have the energy to do anything but lie back and allow ourselves to be jacked off by the calculating thieves who run this grasping consumer paradise we call a nation."

#800 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2008-10-03 12:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

Mato, feel free to substantiate with your own "fair and balanced" support

Seems to me you are wondering just what is 'FAIR AND BALANCED"

Sucks, don't it?

Sucks to be beat down like a little girl, don't it?

You got no game so you seek to destroy.

yes? how do I make him stop???

Come back when you get game, son.

Biden did exactly what obama wanted, he held his kill instinct in chech but threw a few warnings across palins bow.

palin learned quickly about those warnings and moved away.

I love her Spud, not only for her convictions and belief, but the fact that Sarah Palin IS America,..

Just as John McCain IS America to me...

I'm 'from' a small town, I fought in a foreign war, I am from a family that has laid it all on the line for god and country....

When I hear hear McCain and/or Palin speak, I stand and cheer, it's a primal and deep reaction, ingrained in my DNA.

you're the best, Mato. keep bringing the substance

"Hey Lib,

Have another beer, Dude."

Don't drink, haven't for 9 yrs, but you can have one for me.....u prolly like molson huh?

LM

Governor Palin may be inexperienced in the ways of Washington but she is a maverick.

Would you rather have a Washington insider taking goobs of money from lobbyists and special interest groups in the White House, or a fresh face that wants to turn America around in the right direction?

Sarah Palin is the later of the two. Honest and straight forward.

I'm John McCain and I approve this message

Hey, when am I going to convince you to vote 3rd party?

Spud's voting Green Party in the upcoming Canadian election.

Does that count?


Absolutely, it does!

The Green Party ranks 5th in your House of Commons, but that is tons more than what I can say for the US. At every level of Government here, it's a Bipolar, I'm mean, a 2-party system. It's the root of all of the major problems.

Only a kool-aid drinking Obama dick sucker would admit Palin didn't kick Bidens ass tonight.

so, get in line kids.

I'm 'from' a small town,

LOL! I know where you live and your supposed town has more people living in it than all of alaska.

When are the dawgs going to fire their coach.

You will get what you deserve.

CNN's poll gives the debate to Biden, 51% to 36%.....Frank Luntz's focus group found Palin's performance to be most effective...CBS News's poll: 46% of uncommitted voters surveyed gave the debate to Biden, where 21% thought Palin won. But 55% said their opinion of Palin changed for the better; 53% said their opinions of Biden changed in the positive direction as well. 18% of uncommitted voters are now committed to Obama; 10% are committed to McCain.
###

She really blew it when she raved on about what a great Veep Cheney was. Didn't anybody tell her his ratings make Bush look popular?

Palin: "We're mavericks." wink wink

"#742 | Posted by Liberal_Mongrel at 2008-10-02 11:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

Mato, you may be having a stroke. seek medical attention

Really?

How so?"

Because I didn't post that and somehow you are trying to attribute to me....but I do think you are losing/lost it based on your posts....

LM

Only a kool-aid drinking Obama dick sucker would admit Palin didn't kick Bidens ass tonight.

neoliberal republicans at their best, this is a good reason to vote for them......right!


"Not only is Sarah Palin a fraud, she's the tawdriest, most half-assed fraud imaginable, 20 floors below the lowest common denominator, a character too dumb even for daytime TV -and this country is going to eat her up, cheering her every step of the way. All because most Americans no longer have the energy to do anything but lie back and allow ourselves to be jacked off by the calculating thieves who run this grasping consumer paradise we call a nation."

#813 | Posted by nullifidian

Null, Calm down, you are having anxiety over her.

You Libs are so threatened by her, because she is a real thrat to McCain. She really is. Most of the Libs hated her the first day. THEY DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HER.

(watch this, I'll prove it)

Palin is smarter and more expreinced than Obama.

Money, my town, birth and present, (despite where I have lived) has less then 6000 people in it,......

Mato, you may be having a stroke. seek medical attention

Really?

Yeah, I was wondering about that.

But after a couple of farts I realized it was just another Democrat like you influencing my bowl movements.

"Mato, you may be having a stroke. seek medical attention"

I posted it. It was an attempt at humor, ableit lame, following his "tingly leg" comment. seems even more lame now that we're revisting it

Biden: John McCain has never been a maverick on anything that really counts to the American people.

Palin: Say it isn't so, Joe.

Palin: The American people don't care about the past. They care about the future. Change is coming.

Biden: The past is prologue. On issue after issue John McCain has not outlined a plan to explain how he will be different that Bush.

Palin is smarter and more expreinced than Obama.

expreinced........Yes you certainly did prove it.

"Not only is Sarah Palin a fraud, she's the tawdriest, most half-assed fraud imaginable, 20 floors below the lowest common denominator, a character too dumb even for daytime TV -and this country is going to eat her up, cheering her every step of the way. All because most Americans no longer have the energy to do anything but lie back and allow ourselves to be jacked off by the calculating thieves who run this grasping consumer paradise we call a nation."

Null, with a statement like that, I once again implore you to get professional help. You will have a coronary before the election at the rate you are going.

Eddie, what are trying to accomplish in lying about the WSJ poll results? Just establishing your (R) credentials?

Musical Interlude- Eagles - Hotel California

Meh, her Milfy goodness is past it's "best before" date especially as she edges into GILF teritory.

Be Well.

So I assume times are tough up north, ehh? Gilf and such bringing down yer economy and such.

Uncle Buzz feels fer ya. He has even put the Red Barchetta away fer the season in honor of Spud.

Be well my friend Up North.

Red Barchetta

Biden on reverse sexism: Don't tell me that just because I'm a man I don't know what it is like to be a single parent.


Eddie, what are trying to accomplish in lying about the WSJ poll results? Just establishing your (R) credentials?

#839 | Posted by tigerbalm

The results are constantly changing:

forums.wsj.com

I was pulling Truth's chain.

Gal, you had to have had a moment of pride, pride about a women that not only holds her own on the national stage, but owns the moment..

Palin is smarter and more expreinced than Obama.

#832 | Posted by Eddie at 2008-10-03 12:23 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
e

Now that's comedy

After more farts, I have come to realize you all are just gas.

Yeah, stinky gas.

Smell your feet, and tell me McCain and Palin ain't your best bet vs. the BS Obama and Biden are dishing up.

Null, with a statement like that, I once again implore you to get professional help. You will have a coronary before the election at the rate you are going.

If you'll notice, Null put quotation marks around that comment.

Mato, always available for insightful substance


Palin is smarter and more expreinced than Obama.

#832 | Posted by Eddie at 2008-10-03 12:23 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
e

Now that's comedy

#846 | Posted by BenFranklinn

See?

it didn't take 2 minutes to get multiple responses.

Admit it, you are obsessed with Palin!

Who whould have thunk Biden would have triped up vs. the former mayor?

Well, she certainly came off better than she did in her disastrous TV network interviews with Gibson and Ipecac- uh, Couric.

But she also came off like someone who's had the training, but doesn't have the experience to make it look effortless. To me, she came across like a new local TV anchor - too perky, too determined to smile, too concerned with burning the lens. It takes such people some time and experience to learn how to do all those things AND look natural.

She's just not there yet. Thank God. BTW, Biden did a terrific job of hanging the failure of the past eight years around McThusaleh's neck. I mean terrific.

I remember when

Joe Biden is one of John McCain's best freinds.

Don't fool yourselves.

"Joe Biden is one of John McCain's best freinds"

all the more reason to listen when Joe tells you not to vote for John

Biden WITH McCain

To me, she came across like a new local TV anchor - too perky, too determined to smile, too concerned with burning the lens. It takes such people some time and experience to learn how to do all those things AND look natural.

That's one of the things I thought was strange about Palin's performance tonight: her affect was off. No matter what the topic she looked perky. I felt like she was acting like the sports announcer she once was. She talked about foreign and domestic issues with the same demeanor she would have used announcing the scores of the latest football games.

Biden, 'America Well Served by MCain'

Let's face facts. The McCain/Palin supporters are doing their damnedest to try and make a Silk purse out of a sows ear and they are failing. Both candidates are not suited for the Jobs and they know it but can not come to terms with that fact. Hopefully the voters get that too.

Larry

Smell your feet, and tell me McCain and Palin ain't your best bet vs. the BS Obama and Biden are dishing up.

#847 | Posted by Mato at 2008-10-03 12:33 AM |

--------------------------

Mato gets a stinky flag.

McCain and Palin are all we got! But we love them all the same, warts and all.

How about your Boy?

*Terrorist (Aymes) sympathizer?
*Radical Reverend (Wright) relationships?
*Questionable realestate dealings
*No fiscial experence or responsibility

Beachbuzz, Hussein isn't fit to run a community organization. Again, the leftist draw another losing ticket.

Announcing scores for the 3 high schools in all of alaska on the hand held camera set for the alaska masses makes one always in the perky mode.

I made it on TV! See ma, I did make it on TV. I am a success.

September 16, 2001.

What were you thinking that day?
........

I was scared, upset, crying, patriotic, angry.....

what was Hussein feeling that day?

What was his pastor thinking that day?

Zeitgeist - But Obamma Mamma was a community orginazier. Doesn't that qualify him to be POTUS?

Plus he played soccer in Hawaii and softball at IU.

Surely, he is qualified? You, as the man, should quit bringing the brother down!

So harsh!

Inside the mind of Hussein.

Good liberal

I like Joe this way...Stand Up Chuck

'Stand up for Chuck'!

God love ya pal!

sarah did very well this evening and joe was quite the gentleman. gwen ifill was a fantastic moderator although she had little to no moderating tasks before her.

either would make a great vice president.

u.s. potuses who were mayors:

# Andrew Johnson - Greenville, Tennessee
# Grover Cleveland - Buffalo, New York
# Calvin Coolidge - Northampton, Massachusetts

u.s. potuses who were governors:

# Thomas Jefferson - Virginia
# James Monroe - Virginia
# Martin Van Buren - New York
# William Henry Harrison - Indiana Territory
# John Tyler - Virginia
# James Polk - Tennessee
# Andrew Johnson - Tennessee
# Rutherford Hayes - Ohio
# Grover Cleveland - New York
# William McKinley - Ohio
# Theodore Roosevelt - New York
# William Taft - Philippines
# Woodrow Wilson - New Jersey
# Calvin Coolidge - Massachusetts
# Franklin Roosevelt - New York
# Jimmy Carter - Georgia
# Ronald Reagan - California
# Bill Clinton - Arkansas
# George W. Bush - Texas

u.s. potuses who were senators:

# James Monroe - Virginia
# John Quincy Adams - Massachusetts
# Andrew Jackson - Tennessee
# Martin Van Buren - New York
# William Henry Harrison - Ohio
# John Tyler - Virginia
# Franklin Pierce - New Hampshire
# James Buchanan - Pennsylvania
# Andrew Johnson - Tennessee
# Benjamin Harrison - Indiana
# Warren Harding - Ohio
# Harry Truman - Missouri
# John F. Kennedy - Massachusetts
# Lyndon Johnson - Texas
# Richard Nixon - California

THE funniest thing Joe Biden ever said....But, you won't hear it on NBC, CBS, MSNBC or the Clinton News Network.

Nanc, what up darling?

Helluva a night !

this, according do drudge report:

{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?...

BIDEN
28% 56,639
PALIN
71% 143,870
NEITHER
2% 3,517

Total Votes: 204,026

BTW, you are correct Nanc, Ifill did an outstanding job as moderator..

remember this - gwen ifill was the moderator in the 2004 veepee debate...if THAT'S any indication of who will win in november.

why thank you, rex.

The fact checkers will have a field day with Biden. Again, if the names were reversed, the "not fit for office" patrol would be in high gear, while Biden will just get a free pass. Funny how different Palin looks when her questioner was on good behavior and didn't ask (i.e. couldn't get away with) "gotcha" questions, and when the answers are unedited.

It was entertaining to see Biden try to squeeze out a tear, defending his worth as a father. Of course, nobody was asking him about that, but once they were near the end, he knew he had to squeeze that rehearsed move in there somewhere.

So now get ready for another round of Palin personal attacks. That's all they have left.

'Stand up for Chuck'!

It'd been funny if she'd prefaced the debate with a "Stand up Gwen!"

i've come to the conclusion that this party cooler race isn't so much about who should BE potus, more than it's about WHICH veepee would make the BETTER potus should the potus CROAK. ribbet.

Nancy - good research.

I would never vote for a senator. Governors at least have some budgetary experience which I think is very important when electing a president.

McCain is the exception, but Palin adds to his credibility.

'And what would you do if the POTUS died of roids?'

It'd been funny if she'd prefaced the debate with a "Stand up Gwen!"

Too funny...

I always ask myself, what would Combichrist do in this situation?

Hey Spud, I found your dream girl!

Bass Player Girl Red Barchetta by Rush

The CNN/Opinion Research Corp. said 51 percent of those polled thought Biden did the best job, while 36 percent thought Palin did the best job.

That said, Gwen was a good moderator. She stepped up and did what she was hired to do. She stepped up, did her job, and provided no controversy as an ostensibly "neutral" debate moderator.

What a novel concept.

I'd suggest that the bags of propogandist human shit in the drive-by media take her cue.

On topic?

Joe probably won the intellectual battle based on his ability to advance his failed concepts.

Sarah won on her ability to exceed expectations and her appeal to the kind of mentality that makes "American Idol" a hit show.

Which, incidentally, is the same reason certain polls show Barry "won" the last debate.

Rasta, I just got word that 99% of fucktards think that Biden didn't get mad wood sniffing Palins shoes.

Video to follow....

********
What up brother?

BTW, Junie Browning is my 19-20 year old clone.....with out the smarts...

"I always ask myself, what would Combichrist do in this situation?

#884 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2008-10-03 01:26 AM | Reply | Flag:"

i have never asked myself that. perhaps next time.

Just a brief note. Palin clear winner. Biden full of misinformation. You mean a Senator confuses the 1st and 2nd amendments? And what is that about Lebanon? And spending more in one month in Iraq than seven years in Afghanistan?

Biden was PRESENT, I will say that for him. Palin WAS there -- full of enthusiasm, information, etc.

I wish there had been less of "he voted for that X times." There some times that you vote for a bill not just for what is on the surface, but on other things it contains. That is why a line-item veto is needed -- esp on the current bailout. I read the sections (about p 287) filled with wooden arrows, wool research, rum tax breaks for the Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico.

What can I say Nanc, I'm an original...

then don't say anything.

it is a good day to be alive.

wonder if this thread will go up over a thou?

A Rasta Ninja fav

Someday ask me what I believe in....The one thing I am never lacking, is an opinion....

Nor the will to speak my mind.....Like it, hate it, it's there.....

I never hide my opinon because someone my disagree with it.......

K is for Kompressor

Palin clear winner

She did very, very well.

But that has to be transposed to the decisions made by the electorate.

One has to wonder if the 4th pillar will do its job.

All this bullshit about "reform" is nice.

But the most fundamental reform this country needs is media reform.

If we can't depend upon an objective news media industry to provide us with accurate information to inform our choices, we're not a democracy anymore.

And this has been an absolutely shameful election cycle for media credibility.

If we're going to nationalize the banking industry due to its failure to serve the Common Good, the we most certainly need to nationalize the news media for the same reason.

It's a sickening thing to say, but its the truth.

What a shameful chapter in American journalism.

One Nation Under God

I'll contribute my two cents....

Bass player babe for Rush gets 5 stars in my book!

Palin gets 4 stars for being on point and not frustrated by a weak soul like Kattie Curic.

5 Stars for being original and honest.

Overall, 4 stars for holding her own. And 4 stars for fending off the left wing onslaught which is sure to come.

If you fuck with America, shock and awe will be in your future.

Period.

If we can't depend upon an objective news media industry to provide us with accurate information to inform our choices, we're not a democracy anymore.

Exactly...couldn't agree more.

That is my credo....

The media?

The media is a product of your free market with no regulation mental.

As much as you neoliberals spout out about bad media it is interestingly evident that none of you ever talk about ownership of it and content.

How does one become a reporter? How does one get a pass to those needed events? I would say it is well regulated to our detriment and very much supported by this corporate media. Don't want to let new comers making them look foolish.

Blogs are kicking their ass because of the failure to actually get information and report it accurately.

But it sure makes a lot of money....how quaint!

Heart Shaped Glasses

If you fuck with America, shock and awe will be in your future.

Raw! Raw! Raw! That's what America is all about.

War! war! war! The world loves it when America is in for all war.

Well at least you have alot of respect for your father! Maybe if spent a little more time understanding where the real problem is you might get somewhere. Bush is only a front man. Do you honestly believe he can pass a piece of legislation himself? Are you really that naive?
Do you know who the House majority is? And do you undestand how bills are passed? Do some research and don't follow what Couric, Walters and Olberman
tell you and believe it!

For me it is Money, if another nation fucks with America, I will eat their heart.

I will destroy them and shit on their memeory.

And have no qualms about it.

The media is a product of your free market with no regulation mental.

Beautiful.

Coma White

I've noticed a post-debate dearth of leftist shit crowing about the stupidity of Sarah Palin tonight.

I guess they're gonna have to get back to us about that one.

Tis funny people bitch about other Countries attacking us and hating us. I wonder why when all we like to do is either go to war against them or dictate how they should run their Countries. We reap what we sow and that is the facts jack.

Larry

Maybe there's a "YouTube" video I can link?

A Leonardo DeCaprio statement?

LaRry

I listened to the debate on the radio.

Biden talks too much and Palin annoyed me by saying Maverick and Alaska too many times. Her folksy language was condescending also. Palin did better than anticipated but not well enough to change the game.

Tis funny people bitch about other Countries attacking us and hating us. I wonder why when all we like to do is either go to war against them or dictate how they should run their Countries. We reap what we sow and that is the facts jack.

Its because we have a better way of doing things, Larry.

And we're unapologetic about it.

Some things are right.

Some things are wrong.

It's called "taking a side", Larry.

I don't put C4 in your Little Debbie boxes because you disagree with me.

And I don't tolerate among me those who do.

And I don't put them on the same moral plane as myself.

Welcome to pluralism.

Welcome to America.


Tis funny people bitch about other Countries attacking us and hating us. I wonder why when all we like to do is either go to war against them or dictate how they should run their Countries. We reap what we sow and that is the facts jack.

Larry

#911 | Posted by LarryMohr

Yep, you're catching on Larry. Johnson, the Father of the American Empire, started it in his administration. He moved the International dollar off the Gold Standard. Well, he started the wheels, if you will, and Nixon finished it up. And, in 1971, the Federal Reserve started printing money... out of thin air... And the World accepted it. So much in fact, that the dollar became king

You know what else came into its own in the late '60s, early '70's? OPEC. They became our Protectorate and the dollar moved from the gold standard to the oil standard.

I had the debate directly injected into my head....Straight from the source I always say..

Injector

Johnson, the Father of the American Empire, started it in his administration. He moved the International dollar off the Gold Standard.

We moved off the gold standard during the Johnson administration?

want to see something very interesting?

Take a look at the stock market. When did it start it's dramatic upward movement? That's right, the mid-70's. But don't look at only the price, check the volume. Enormous amounts of money.

Where did all this money come from?

Tis funny how Larry can hate his country and blame others for our "demise", yet he takes full advantage of our country by ordering another pizza from "Quick Pizza.Com" and then expect the Marines or Army to protect him from terrorists.

I love you Larry, but come on...show some damn loyality to country.

Even Frank Cotton would be disappointed and want to kick your unAmerican ass!

This is my rifle...This is my life....

Shaun Baker feat. Maloy - V.I.P. (Official)

www.youtube.com

One of my favorite songs

Pinche Mao we are too arrogant too hypocritical. In Our thirst for power we have become the product of Our own demise. We claim to be against Dictators but yet we prop them up when they do what We want. We claim to be against terror while at the same time bringing terror unto innocent people. We have no Moral High Ground left today Pinche Mao. We have ceased to be the standard bearer in world affairs. We have so lost Our way it's not even funny. We deserve what We get because that is how Karma is. Do good You will receive good. Do bad we will get bad done to us. It's as simple as that.

Larry

This is my gun, this is my rifle...

I'm out of here Zeit...


Johnson, the Father of the American Empire, started it in his administration. He moved the International dollar off the Gold Standard.

We moved off the gold standard during the Johnson administration?

#920 | Posted by Pinche_Mao

Yes, actually.

Kennedy was being pressured into moving the International Dollar off the gold standard, but he fought it. Johnson picked it up after his demise. It took until '71 to get it done, though.


Pinche Mao we are too arrogant too hypocritical. In Our thirst for power we have become the product of Our own demise. We claim to be against Dictators but yet we prop them up when they do what We want. We claim to be against terror while at the same time bringing terror unto innocent people.

Larry

#925 | Posted by LarryMohr

Holy crap, Larry, you are repeating a speech from Ron Paul!!

LaRry, I would bring terror beyond belief against an enemy if need be. Terror would be the least of their problems.

All Pigs Must Die

Later BB, Time to watch Ironman here brother,..Fuck werk tommorrow

www.youtube.com

hey baby dj otzi

this song will make u happy!!!! Obama !!!!!

Her mind is on vacation but her mouth is working overtime.

Ok I listened to the debate and have to say Sarah Palin acted like someone stuck an ALDL Connector on the back of Her head and fed Her information to say at the debate and what McCain wanted Her to say. It seemed too contrived to Me. Oh and Gawd Her voice. It makes one want to blow their eardrums out. At leaqst She didn't fall down and go boomy.

Larry

but her answers are still empty and point to a glaring lack of knowledge and understanding of the world around her

But George Worst Bush was "successful" with that in both elections.

Palin was fabulous last night and truly turned this around for McCain which doesn't happen normally in VP debates.

Ahh, the weeping and nashing of teeth from the left is not going to be pretty come Nov 5th

Who fared better in the vice presidential debate?
Sen. Joe Biden 70% 173716
Gov. Sarah Palin 26% 65147
Neither 4% 9647
Total Votes: 248510

www.cnn.com

"nukular"
"eyerak, eyeran"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

ROFL!!

I think the most notable point of last nights debate wasn't what happened during the debate but what happened immediately after the debate as reported by multiple news services.

When the cameras were finally turned off last night, a McCain campaign adviser immediately ran up to Sarah Palin, attached a leash to her neck, and led her back to her holding cage.

Pretty amazing !!!

Well, having woken up at 0400 this morning (damnit), I decided to pick up the debate (watched the videos, couple of different sources just to make sure everybody had the same thing). After having done so (and since had time to digest the information and my breakfast), I would offer up the following:

1: No, sir. Biden won the debate. End.
2: The VP debate is irrelevant in either case. For that matter, the POTUS debate is irrelevant. Whichever of those yahoos wins the Office, it's the hockey moms and Joe Six-Pack (in my case it's Joe Kegger, being roughly 1/2 metric ton overweight) that lose. End.
3: I really hate waking up at 0400. End.
4: It ain't Friday until I get out of work. End.
5: /headdesk /headdesk /headdesk /buddha. If you understand this, good on you, because I wrote it, and I don't understand it at all. End.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled nightmare. Or daymare. Or generally bad stuff. Your choice.

"Palin was fabulous last night and truly turned this around for McCain which doesn't happen normally in VP debates. "

Governor winkwink gave the hokiest cornpone performance of all time. If you didn't want to throw up you're an idiot.

Would you buy a used car from this clown?
images.huffingtonpost.com

" winkwink "
-nulli

Spot on!

The reader/viewer polls posted here aren't exactly scientific. Surprise, surprise...the left leaning sites say Bidden won and the right leaning one says Palin won.

End the end I doubt that this debate will change hardly anyone's mind on who to vote for. It obviously didn't influence anyone here.

Lord that was awesome.

Sarah Palin cleand Biden's clock.

BADLY.

I thought it would have been closer, but she clearly won.

Anyone who believes differently is a partisan hack.

It won;t change anything though.

Obama is clearly out in front in the polls and if he doesn't win, is ridiculously incompetent.

Favorite Lines.

McCain Tapped her to be his choice.

Nothing memorable.

Every time I hear her speak I feel like I"m watching the movie Fargo.

Has anyone else noticed. I'm like you I'm middle class. Since when is making almost 200 K a year middle class. I guess that makes bush part of the middle class too!. No one mentions much about the lower class. The people who are really suffering.
I guess I'm just a radical liberal I guess.

Jesus was a community organizer

"Sarah Palin cleand Biden's clock."

I bet you got a hardon every time the Hee Haw Hockey Mom winked at you, right?

It obviously didn't influence anyone here.

#942 | Posted by Frosty at 2008-10-03 07:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

Hey, it influenced me somewhat. Changed my opinion of Gwen Ifil. Gwen Ifil was a decent (though pointless) moderator, rather then allowing her conflict of interest to define how she handled it. Her bias was well kept in check, except for some facial expressions here and there. Problem was, I held out to the last minute that she would step down due to her conflict; and she let me down.

And yes, people, a book with "Age of Obama" in the title really _is_ a conflict of interests. If you are writing a book about the outcome of an event poised to sell only if one particular side wins; then you should recuse yourself from any event where your lack of impartiality could sway said event. She did a pretty good job, but lost points in my book for not having the integrity to recuse herself.

And before someone brings up Brokaw again: incorrectly quoting an old poll and SELLING A BOOK are not even in the same _universe_ of partisan hackery.

BTW, you are correct Nanc, Ifill did an outstanding job as moderator..

#875 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at

hahahahahaha

yep, lousy questions, interupting candidates, ignoring format, grouping topics, asking palin 3 or 4 leading questions in a row when they were supposed to go back and forth-horrible

the format was supposed to be ask candidate question 90 second reply, other candidate 90 second, then 1st candidate 2 min rebuttal followed by another 2 minute rebuttal, then going to a new question with the 2nd candidate,

she repeatedly ignored this format.

she constantly allowed the candidates to jump around, ignoring questions (especially Palin).

she was HORRIBLE< HORRIBLE

Jesus was a community organizer

YahYahYah! So was David Duke!

Well at least you have alot of respect for your father! Maybe if spent a little more time understanding where the real problem is you might get somewhere. Bush is only a front man. Do you honestly believe he can pass a piece of legislation himself? Are you really that naive?
Do you know who the House majority is? And do you undestand how bills are passed? Do some research and don't follow what Couric, Walters and Olberman
tell you and believe it!

#906 | Posted by redneckamerica

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Soheifox,

Will you call for Bob Scheiffer, moderator of Tuesday's Presidential debate to recuse himself for his conflict of interest?

Who would you have rather seen moderate the debate?

Gwen did a fantastic job in trying to keep the candidates on the question. Sarah! mangled many of the questions and blatantly refused to answer some of them. I thought Gwen was good in prodding both of them to answer.

It was very telling when Sarah! did not understand the responsibilities of the VP as defined by the Constitution. She will be another Cheney. Boy that sure worked out well.

I thought she came off as condascending, elitist and snobbish. She was a good parrott for the right wing talking points but when pressed to back them up she couldn't.

Biden slipped up a bit and at times appeared unclear in his explanations but overall did a better job in communicating facts to support the tickets plans.

Watching the real time tracking on CNN of undecided voters showed a definitive victory for Biden. I noted that whenever Sarah! tried her fargo folsky talk out, her approval ratings went into the shitter. That tells me that America is looking for an intelligent VP and not another Joe Sixpack dumbass in office.

I will admit I am biased and that I probably would call it for Biden if it were close and he lost. He would have had to screw up pretty bad to lose it in my opinion which he did not do. She needed to hit it out of the park which she did not do.

She looked over her head.

Tina Fay is going to have fun with that debate.
Expand the powers of the VP....riiiight!
John McCain loves diplomacy....riiiight!!!
How come Alaskans can get an excess profits tax and rebate checks but the rest of America shouldn't....just a tad inconsistent...or more likely a big flip-flpperoo since she joined McCain and BigOil...."bless their hearts."

Soheifox,

Will you call for Bob Scheiffer, moderator of Tuesday's Presidential debate to recuse himself for his conflict of interest?

#950 | Posted by 726 at 2008-10-03 08:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

Why? Because his brother is a partisan hack? Last time I checked there's a huge difference between a personal financial stake in an event and "my brother is a douchebag."

The Dems have been totally obsessed with Palin....THE REASON....she has more experience and savvy than the top of their ticket. Joe got his ass kicked last night and Joe is the Dem with the most experience.

Mr. Biden directly challenged Ms. Palin's debate prep on Afghanistan pointing out that the commander there had disagreed with Mr. McCain's call for an Iraq-style "surge" in Afghanistan. Ms. Palin tried to contradict him, but the most memorable part of her answer was that she got the general's name wrong.

When it came to domestic issues, Ms. Palin mainly relied on enthusiasm and humor, talking about hockey moms, soccer moms and Joe Sixpack almost as often as she used the word "maverick" to describe Mr. McCain or herself.

But she offered virtually no detail beyond the Republican mantra of tax cuts for how she and Mr. McCain would address the financial crisis or help Americans avoid foreclosure or what programs they would cut because of the country's disastrous fiscal problems.

Ms. Palin's primary tactic was simply to repeat the same thing over and over: John McCain is a maverick. So is she. To stay on that course, she had to indulge in some wildly circular logic: America does not want another Washington insider. They want Mr. McCain (who has been in Congress for nearly 26 years). Ms. Palin condemned Wall Street greed and said she and Mr. McCain would "demand" strict oversight. In virtually the next breath, she said government should "get out of the way" of American business

The problems with mavericks is that they're not leaders. They march to their own drum (usually alone).
The tearm is attributed to Texas rancher Sam Maverick who refused to brand his cattle; interesting concept but nobody followed him. BTW, there is no such thing as a "team of mavericks". Mavericks don't function as a team.

just a thought

is this the last time america will see or hear palin before the election?

"but the most memorable part of her answer was that she got the general's name wrong."

Well, yes and no, my friends, yes and no.
Just before the debate I was giving Sarah a, well, uh, a history lesson.
And I told her about my old friend George McClellen.
Not the RCMP commissioner, but General George B. McClellen.
He was a Democrat, you know, but I like to reach across the aisle, feel my way around, see what's going on over there in La-La Land.
Anyhoo, I was opining---for you fundamentals out there, that means "offering my opinon"---about what Little Mac would do in Afghanistan.
So, there you have it.
By the way, I haven't seen him around lately.
I hope he's okay.
~John "Snake Eyes" McCain

"Joe got his ass kicked last night...."

Palin won because she kept her gums moving? Ah, well, we expected she'd be declared the winner if she'd do at least that.

For myself, I'd like to have seen her answer when she thought it appropriate to cross the nuclear threshold, rather than stare at the moderator uncomprehendingly.

BIDEN 29% 87,569


PALIN 69% 210,741


NEITHER 2% 5,154

Total Votes: 303,464

#953 - Ride...can I get some of whatever it is you are smoking, because it must be some good shit.

Joe Biden was able to use facts to back up his statements. Palin refused to answer some questions and her inexperience showed. IMO, Biden won the debate and Palin showed she can hold an audience and speak to them. The reason I think Biden won is due understanding the role of the VP and not wanting to expand the power. Why would anyone want the POTUS or VP to have expanded powers at all?

Atax -- just wondering what your source is. I saw a poll on CNN where the numbers were quite different.

Both candidates exceeded expectations 84 percent of the people polled said Palin did a better job than they expected, while 64 percent said Biden also exceeded expectations.

"just a thought

is this the last time america will see or hear palin before the election?

#958 | Posted by truthhurts"

God, I hope so.

hahahahahahahaha

just read this

The New Republic's Jonathan Chait: "Palin's final quote was from Ronald Reagan, warning that without vigilance, You and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children, and our children's children, what it once was like in America when men were free.' In fact, Reagan was not warning about a general lack of vigilance about freedom, he was warning what would happen if Medicare was enacted."

www.larrydewitt.net

And if you don't do this and if I don't do it, one of these days you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children, and our children's children, what it once was like in America when men were free.

Anyone that really thinks Palin won the debate should just consider if Joe Biden had given the type of answers Palin did, if he answered questions that weren't asked, if he was wrong about facts, if he was obviously repeating rehearsed little rants......he would have been laughed out of the race....but Palin, being a nice looking woman and a newcomer was given a pass.....she lost.
Americans want serious leadership not beauty pageant answers.

andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com

Biden didn't put the boot in; he didn't come off as sexist; he didn't make any obvious gaffes. Palin didn't collapse and pushed through the debate with enough speed not to wobble. But it felt as if she needed the speed in order not to wobble. Her inexperience showed; her tone worked best at first and then began to grate. I don't think this debate changed the direction of this election campaign, and I think Palin's performance will buck up base Republicans but actually unnerve some independents.

The campaign's trajectory remains unaltered. Palin's inability to answer real questions, her capacity to avoid follow-ups, her slightly manic quality, and her inability to relate to working class voters came across. Biden did not talk too much; he made no sexist gaffes; he didn't appear to be overweening; he seemed like a nice guy. I think she managed to avoid a tailspin; he reassured. It will stem the GOP collapse a little. But it won't change the race.

What we need now is a press conference with Palin. She needs to be forced to answer follow-ups. She needs to be made accessible to the press and thereby the American people.

It seemed obvious Palin was instructed to get in a few things for Base consumption. One of these was the Reagan quotes. Another was being rude to the moderator.

th - why do you keep making demands that will probably not be met? it's not like anything she could say or believe would sway any other person like you. if she recited the constitution backwards, you'd say she's dyslexic - she cannot do anything right where you're concerned.

Atax -- just wondering what your source is. I saw a poll on CNN where the numbers were quite different.

BIDEN 29% 87,569

PALIN 69% 210,741

NEITHER 2% 5,154

Total Votes: 303,464

I think today you will be able to find a poll that will say whatever you like, that poll was off DR. As for CNN I saw the same poll it was the same with the names switched. The bottom line is Joe Biden did not make a gaff and Palin held her own personally I do not think this will have any lasting effect at all no matter which poll you look at...

hahahahahaha

answering qustions is too much accountability?

I want confidence that the person elected can handle the responsibility, even if I completely and utterly disagree with their positions.

I believe McCain could handle the responsibilities of POTUS.

I believe Sarah Palin, although probably a very nice woman and probably an effective governor is WAY over hear head in this position.

You may find that refreshing, I find her to echo Bush.

Did anyone notice the time line with Bidens "FACTS"...

th - she's no more in over her head than obama...she at least levels this playing field, even though it is not she who is running for potus - y'all have your panties in a wad over her and can't get her out of your head.

libslayer - the analysis of the debate is not fully in, however, i did find a somewhat fair synop at mtv.

"yes. She should have just made up facts like Biden did."

In order to do that, she'd have to understand the question being asked and her party's position on the issue enough to manufacture a fact that supports her side.

in other words, some people are just born bee-essers!

From fox news......

elections.foxnews.com

even teh righties are finally admitting Sarah teh avoider didn't say a damn thing last night, and Joe answered the questions instead of playing dogeball like saaaaarrrrraaaaaa!!!

LM

damn it's early and I can't type worth crap,sorry for typos...

LM

Boy, that was great, As a right wing nut. I am so glad Sarah was able to do what she wanted, and I have always liked Joe Biden. he is one of the last good people in Politics. I sure wish it was
Biden/McCain or McCain/Biden

Obama is a divider and an america-hater, doing all the things liberals do

I will take from the haves and give to you, I will go you free stuff and it never works, It looks like it might this time. I will have to stomach 4 years of Blame and higher taxes. But I did it with Carter, i will make it again

Boy I like Joe Biden, I have watched him since the Bork hearings, i sure wish he hadn't hooked up with the "Acorn" community organizer.

I still don't know why DEMS didn't pick him as there nominee

I said I'd admit if she didn't win...
Palin DID win,
posted by Kirk

Were you watching the same debate I was? The one where she constantly went off topic or attempted to tie whatever she was talking about into energy? If you really thought Palin won I'd hate to hear your definition of victory.

Don't get me wrong here I think she far out performed what most expected of her, but most of her responses still lacked substance and solutions. She does come across as a very likable person which I think really helps her out. I also thought Biden out performed expectations as well. All in all I thought it was a much more interesting debate than the previous Presidential one.

How about Gwen Ifill? I'm pretty sure anyone would have a hard time arguing she was anything but fair throughout.

In searching for accurate poll information I have found Polls that show Biden winning and Polls that show Palin winning. In my opinion both are irrelevant for three reasons.

1) Somehow Biden kept his foot out of his mouth.

2) Palin did not fall on her face.

3) Gwen Ifill conducted a fair debate.

In reality both won as neither made a huge screw up. As for Obama and McCain neither were hurt or helped in any substantial way. The Poll numbers will be yesterdays news tomorrow regardless of which candidate you support...

nobody's argued that gwen wasn't fair - you're a little late to the game, dfiant - we've nearly all sung her praises, left and right.

"Not the RCMP commissioner, but General George B. McClellen.
He was a Democrat, you know,..."

Good, Docster...very good. I always though you were "Doc" because you carried bed pans, removed warts and tatoos or something like that. But then I learned you had a doctorate in history...WOW. I'm sure you know then, how badly lil' Mac got his democrat ass whupped so badly by them mean ol' rebs...right? Got it whupped by republican Lincoln in 1864 too...right?

I ran across this little tidbit from Scott Rasmussen the other day:
"Since 1860, the year that Abraham Lincoln became the first Republican president, only three Democrats have won the White House with a majority of the popular vote.:
Do you know which three?

"All she's gotta do is just gimme that wink".

www.youtube.com

Exit polls, November 4th 2008.

McCain/Palin Voters

Men 52%.
Women 32%.

"Not the RCMP commissioner, but General George B. McClellen.
He was a Democrat, you know,..."

Good, Docster...very good. I always though you were "Doc" because you carried bed pans, removed warts and tatoos or something like that. But then I learned you had a doctorate in history...WOW. I'm sure you know then, how badly lil' Mac got his democrat ass whupped so badly by them mean ol' rebs...right? Got it whupped by republican Lincoln in 1864 too...right?

I ran across this lilttle tidbit from Scott Rasmussen the other day:
"Since 1860, the year that Abraham Lincoln became the first Republican president, only three Democrats have won the White House with a majority of the popular vote.:
Do you know which three?

she was on another planet. She never answered a question and the right wingers think because she did not stand there and drool like a moron that she won.

Please stop lying to yourselves, the woman is not fit for the job. If that is the best she can do after weeks of coaching....Obama can put his name on Air Force One.

It is over...Americans need a leader, not talking points from Rove and Co.

Please respond with one question she answered without reading if from a note card.

I had a hard time even listening to her B.S.

Obama/Biden '08

....this is coming from someone who voted for Bush in 2000.

I thought it was sort of appropriate for her to be part of the Bush approved ticket considering that she bragged about lowering taxes as mayor or Wasilla but ignored the fact that the town was in the black when she took office but she left it 20 million in debt. Sort of like the president who started with a surplus and ended with the largest deficit in history.

Hey Kirk,

She lost the VP debate hands down. She's running for VICE PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! She's not running to be the director of bake sales for the PTA. She did not answer ONE question. Instead she resorted to the same old ass tired bullshit catch phrases. She does not represent me or anyone I know of in "middle class America". She's a pretty face with unintelligent folksy chat meant to attract ignorant Americans who will think "Golly Gee Beave! She's just like me... I aint one of dem East Coast intellectualz"... It's so sad America has set the standard so low... Wow she didn't burn and crash. That's an accomplishment??? SAD!!!

Idiocracy is here now!!!

OK folks the bottom line is the Dems will win in a landslide (at least electorally). Most on the DR will recall I've said it would be Obama in a landslide long before he won the Dem nomination. They will control Congress as well and probably for some time. This is not going to be good for America (just as it wouldn't be good if the tables were turned). We have an inexperienced, Illinois based pol coming on board. I like the man and I'm optimistic about his message of change. But, he'll fall short due to lack of experience and rest assured he has ties he is beholden to and partial to. His philosophies and his questionable (normal in Illinois political ties and background) will not deliver what is needed. We have basic structural problems and our mainline politicians (in both parties) are pandering to us as normal. None of these mainstream self interested pols understand or know how to fix (and also lack the courage) to address the issues affecting us all. First the Federal Reserve system sucks from all of us regular folks for the benefit of a precious few. They get paid first (interest that is) on the paper money that the government prints (and you all know how much interest is as a portion of your mortgage, especially in the early years). In addition, the fiat money they print is devaluing all of our buying power and standard of living. We must recognize the core system deficiencies (but, WE won't...our mainstream politicians won't/can't). The Feds also pushed a policy (urging banks and institutions...this is a fact....speak to sound bank managers, it's been a sad scenario of pressure/incentives/penalties) of allowing loans to folks who normally would not qualify and now we have the glut of mortgage paper. The market needs to liquidate it and our tax dollars will be used to prop it up, so this liquidation is forced NOT to happen. I don't expect knee jerkers (the majority of Americans today) to educate themselves. It's sad. Yes, Palin is not qualified for the VP slot....yes, Obama is not yet qualified for the Presidential slot. Mainstream pols....a pox on all their houses.

Good luck to us all.

Do you know which three?

Not really, but I do know it will be four in a month's time. So do you.

Roosevelt - 1932-1944(at least 3 of these, probably all 4)
Johnson - 1964(a landslide, like Reagan/Mondale)
Clinton - 1996?

It doesn't really mean anything. I could just as well say which two presidents since Lincoln won without winning the popular vote.

How come righties tried to attack Joe for the Bosniaks comment, when he was 100% correct and they were dumb and didn't know? Why did Palin get free pass for saying it was the turmoil on MAIN st was affecting Wall street, she got it ass backwards?

LM

Hey give her a break! She got the most important part right:

HAIR AND MAKE UP! That dress fit her nicely too!

Very "doable" but not electable...

Joe Biden's 14 Lies

1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted "the exact same way" as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.

2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.

3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, "Drill we must." But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to "raping" the Outer Continental Shelf."

4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it's passage.

5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he's always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.

6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain's record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.

7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people's health insurance coverage -- they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false

8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska -- she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it's not a windfall profits tax.

9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO's International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.

10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation -- he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.

11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was "dead wrong on Iraq", because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.

12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn't see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.

13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn't meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of "part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20."

14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won't pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.

And I'll add another thing that can't be referred to as a lie but, come on, Joe should know.... He said that Article 1 of the Constitution outlined the responsibilities of the Executive Branch of our government. Duh. It's actually Article 2...Article 1 outlines the Legislative Branch - SHOULDN'T JOE BIDEN KNOW THIS AFTER SERVING IN THIS BRANCH FOR OVER 30 YEARS?? Sarah Palin is crucified for so much less than the mis-statements listed above. Doesn't anyone care about the facts anymore?

nobody's argued that gwen wasn't fair - you're a little late to the game, dfiant - we've nearly all sung her praises, left and right.
posted by Nanc

I am a little late to the game and didn't feel like reading 975+ comments. It's good to hear that people on both sides are saying she did a good job, especially after all the whining that was being done about her the past couple days.

Wow, the hyperbole on this thread is thick.

Biden was hands down, better. Be honest righties. He knew his shit, and did what he needed to do, tie McCain to Bush. And he was convincing in his foreign policy talk, even if you don't agree with everything he said. It's a shame he's not top of his ticket.

Palin wasn't as bad as I thought she'd be. She was a little corny. She seemed like she is still learning as she goes. She didn't fall apart, but I don't think she did anything to sway voters toward McCain. The best she might've done is solidify some McCain voters who might've been second guessing their support.

"If we're going to nationalize the banking industry due to its failure to serve the Common Good, the we most certainly need to nationalize the news media for the same reason."

I supposed when the news media comes crawling to the tax paying public for $700 billion, we'll consider it.

If we're going to nationalize the banking industry due to its failure to serve the Common Good....

#897 | Posted by Pinche_Mao

It wouldn't be the worst deal in the world if we nationalized the banking industry but that's not what we're doing here. We're just nationalizing their debt. They're keeping their profits.

Palin's going to have to do more than wink, shrug her shoulders and flirt with Americans to win me over.

1000?

Bam!

Sweet.

Sounds like Ness is almost as excited as the day he shared with us all on the Nooner how it wasn't so bad when he aborted that baby....remember how he shared flushing it down the drain and all. Try to contain yourself Nessy.

(Gwen Ifill) repeatedly ignored this format.
#947 | Posted by truthhurts

Thanks God, I thought she was great.

And Sarah's got some nice legs, I loved those shots from the back.

Lets look at Palins life so far:

-Educated at (4) different Po-dunk colleges
-Alaska Beauty Queen
-News reporter
-Moose Hunter
-Mother of (5)Children, the last at age 43
-1 Known Adulterous Affair
-Musical Flute player ( Don't know if she plays the skin flute but the first Dude knows)
-Hockey Mom
-City council women
-Mayor
-Governor
-Claims she wants to be President

It appears to me this women just can't get enough or be content with anything in life.

Wonder if she'll try to be a Porn Star before she retires?

Ronni,

I'd list Palin's lies but no one takes what she says seriously anyway...

Secondly, she really did say much beyond "Oh I'm just a hockey mom, washington outsider... the all american gal getting knocked up by Joe sixpack..."

Sarah Palin

Very Doable, Not very Electable

Good for my bed, bad for America!!!

Sounds like Ness is almost as excited

You're STILL dwelling on that? Pathetic.

I'd list Palin's lies but no one takes what she says seriously anyway...

Secondly, she really did say much beyond "Oh I'm just a hockey mom, washington outsider... the all american gal getting knocked up by Joe sixpack..."

Actually, Truth, I'd like to hear your list of lies by Sarah Palin....BETCHA can't come up with any (wink).

What a great debate that was!

Gwen Ifill was a professional.

Joe put in his expected performance.

Sarah won over expectations and appeal to the voters.

By the standards of the media and the left that means she won the debate. If it is a tie, Sarah won the debate.

I am only applying the same standards given to Obama.

McCain won that debate on substance and since Obama didnt screw up--the media says Obama won.

Same for this debate--;o)

Sarah blew off the sterotype BS from the prior interviews and her as a person. She is qualified. Does she have more to learn and prove--sure.

The ratings were a blow out!

It appears to me this women just can't get enough or be content with anything in life.

Wonder if she'll try to be a Porn Star before she retires?

#1005 | Posted by USATrueandBlue7

thanks for listing so many american things and then telling us that they dont mean shit and unimportant.
the typical leftists way of looking at things they dont like

and it was a pretty good debate and I thought both sides did well

I'd list Palin's lies but no one takes what she says seriously anyway...

Secondly, she really did say much beyond "Oh I'm just a hockey mom, washington outsider... the all american gal getting knocked up by Joe sixpack..."

#1006 | Posted by The_Truth at 2008-10-03 12

yes she did......you just didnt get it

and what about the lies from joe

for instance when he said that mccain voted for the same tax increase of the 40 something thou just like obama did .THAT WAS A BALD FACE LIE ACCORDING TO ABC of all people after in ther fact check session

mccain was in another state campaigning and NEVER VOTED ON THAT ONE......

and this mysterious 4 billion that they both say mccain wants to give the oil compainies was already in legislation before and not a part of his tax plan..............so thats stretching the truth beyond recognition........

joe had a good line about the bridge to nowhere though...

and again.....I thought they both did pretty good
it was at least somewhat entertaining unlike the one last friday night.........

Palin DID win,

Bottom line.

But Biden did well too.

Do YOU have the courage to admit YOUR opponent did well?

#500 | Posted by kirk at 2008-10-02 10:29 PM

I have the courage to admit that Sarah the Demon Huntress did well!

She was Perfect!

She was perfect at lying.

She was perfect at distorting the Truth.

She was perfect at misleading the American People.

She was perfectly clueless.

Like you!

joe had a good line about the bridge to nowhere though...

Why didn't Palin or McCain for that matter hammer away at the defeatist nominees call for withdrawal? They keep saying they are ending this war yet they never mention the word VICTORY. How easy would it be to paint them as fighting the Iraq war from Washington and no doubt will pull out of Afghanistan if things get bad?

She was Perfect!

She was perfect at lying.

She was perfect at distorting the Truth.

She was perfect at misleading the American People.

She was perfectly clueless.

Like you!

#1013 | Posted by donnerboy at

and you completely dismiss the FACTCHECKED lies from biden so your comments dont mean jackshit....

crispee.
I was also screaming to SARAH To say something about the movement going on in iraq JUST YESTERDAY or was it the day before when a large portion of another area was given over to the iraqies

she should have gone for his fuckin throat on this issue......and didnt........damn females

BL2,
The repubs may have already blown this election. McCain had better get his shit together the next 30 days. Getting out of Michigan was a good start. He has got to get people to understand Obama does not deserve the nomination at this time. Point out how everything in life takes time and sacrifice and the POTUS is no exception. McCains resume good or bad compared to Obamas should be the focal point of his campaign. I think McCain needs to give Obama the credit he deserves, and remind people Obama has all the time in the world to be President someday. Point out Obama has not earned this and hammer his limited time in Washington.

and I think he should go for the throat and should have come out with saying that he would NEVER bail out wall street
he had a chance here to be the maverick that he keeps saying he is and he hasnt.
he should be pointing fingers at barny frank and chris dodd and going from state to state with facts and NEVER mention his nam stuff for awhile but remind everyone how the press used to fawn all over him when he was THAT maverick.

its go time and he cant just stand around

In honor of Murphy's spambot attempts...

"I want to campaign the same way I govern, which is to respond directly and forcefully with the truth,"
~ Barack Obama, 11/08/07

DEBATE REALITY CHECK: PALIN WRONG ON DARFUR DIVESTMENT

PALIN TONIGHT: "We have a $40 billion investment fund, a savings fund called the Alaska permanent fund when I and others in the legislature found out that we had hundreds of millions of dollars in Sudan we called for divestment so we wouldn't be doing anything that could be seen as condoning activity in Darfur. That legislature hasn't passed (it) yet but it needs to because all of us as individuals and humanitarians and as elected officials should do all we can to end those atrocities in that side of the world."

FACTS: PALIN'S ADMINISTRATION WAS COMPLICIT IN KILLING DARFUR DIVESTMENT BILL.

PALIN TONIGHT: "We have got to encourage other nations to come along with us with the impacts of climate change, what we can do about that. As governor I was the first governor to form a climate change subcabinet to start dealing with the impacts

FACTS: PALIN WAS NOT THE FIRST GOVERNOR TO ACT ON CLIMATE CHANGE OR REORGANIZE HER CABINET TO DEAL WITH IT

Tonight, Joe Biden said: "[McCain] voted 4 out of 5 times on George Bush's budget." [Vice Presidential Debate, 10/2/08]

FACT: MCCAIN SUPPORTED 4 OF 5 BUSH BUDGETS

Tonight, Sarah Palin said: "You do what I did as governor. And you appoint people regardless of party affiliation. Democrats, independents, Republicans, you walk the walk, don't just talk the talk." [Vice Presidential Debate, 10/2/08]

FACT: PALIN HIRED HER FRIENDS TO KEY ADMINISTRATION POSITIONS

Tonight, Joe Biden said of McCain: "He voted against including 3.6 million children in coverage of an existing healthcare plan when he voted in the Senate." [Vice Presidential Debate, 10/2/08]

The Facts: McCain Opposed SCHIP Expansion

MCCAIN SUPPORTED BUSH VETO OF SCHIP EXPANSION

factcheck.barackobama.com

Be Well.


Palin's Debating Strategy Flow Chart

blog.ddiction.com

Funny yet so sad Flag Darth!

Spud gets a "STREWTH" FLAG!

"He has got to get people to understand Obama does not deserve the nomination."

I suspect that "people" suspect Obama deserves it a whole lot more than McBS.

Otherwise, Crispy's "The repubs may have already blown this election" was right on.

No MAY about it. Why don't you righties unite behind President Obama? herm

And BLT's "its go time and he cant just stand around" says "me too." herm

is this the last time america will see or hear palin before the election?
#958 | Posted by truthhurts"
God, I hope so.

#963 | POSTED BY KINGER AT 2008-10-03 08:55 AM | REPLY | FLAG:
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Until her concession speech.

I wonder if she will tear up.

www.johnmccain.com

POSTED BY MURPHY
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Now that is one unbiased source. Whatsamatter? Newmax or American Thinker site down?

DEBATE REALITY CHECK: PALIN WRONG ON DARFUR DIVESTMENT
OCTOBER 02, 2008
PALIN TONIGHT: "We have a $40 billion investment fund, a savings fund called the Alaska permanent fund when I and others in the legislature found out that we had hundreds of millions of dollars in Sudan we called for divestment so we wouldn't be doing anything that could be seen as condoning activity in Darfur. That legislature hasn't passed (it) yet but it needs to because all of us as individuals and humanitarians and as elected officials should do all we can to end those atrocities in that side of the world."

FACTS: PALIN'S ADMINISTRATION WAS COMPLICIT IN KILLING DARFUR DIVESTMENT BILL

Alaska Permanent Fund's Money Managers Opposed Darfur Divestment Bill. "A bill before the Legislature would force managers of the Alaska Permanent Fund to dump stocks of companies doing business in Sudan, whose government has been blamed for genocidal killings in Darfur. The measure also would apply to state retirement fund investments. Alaska's money managers oppose the bill and say managing money according to a political agenda is a bad bet. Managers of the state savings accounts say House Bill 287 would complicate their work, raise expenses and have little effect in Darfur. Managing money according to a social or political agenda is a bad bet, said Mike Burns, the permanent fund chief executive officer." [AP, 3/4/08 ]

Palin Appoints the Board of the Alaska Permanent Fund Corporation. "A governor-appointed board of six trustees sets APFC policy. Alaska law provides that the APFC Board be comprised of four public members, the Commissioner of Revenue and one additional cabinet member of the governor's choosing. Public members serve staggered four-year terms." [Alaska Permanent Fund Corporation, Website ]

Under The Palin Administration, The Department Of Law Issued No Opinions Containing The Words "Divest," "Sudan," "Darfur" Or "Genocide." The Department of Law has issued no opinions containing the word "divest" since 2004. It has never issued an opinion containing the words "Sudan" "Darfur" or "genocide." Searches for opinions on "social and invest" and "sanction and invest" revealed nothing relevant to Sudan or Darfur. [Alaska Department Of Law ]

Sarah Palin's Administration Was Complicit In Killing Sudan Divestment Bills In Committee. On February 9, 2008, Governor Sarah Palin's appointed Deputy Commissioner of Revenue spoke to the Alaska House State Affairs Committee on bipartisan HB 287, which would require the state to divest from Sudan. He agreed with another speaker who said divestment was not the right tool.' On April 1, Commissioner of Revenue paid lip service to SB 227 in the Alaska Senate State Affairs Committee, saying that the bill "should be amendedin the Finance Committee" and said that the Department of Revenue was "working with the Department of Law... to actually take certain actions with regard to divestiture that would still be compliant with the state investment laws." The Legislature adjourned Sine Die on April 13. [Minutes Of The 25th Alaska Legislature]

www.barackobama.com (see Murhpy, two can play that game)

"is this the last time america will see or hear palin before the election?"

Could the country survive hearing any more of that cornpone hokum?

Sarah was already with Carl Cameron--

Ther will be more--

"That legislature hasn't passed (it) yet but it needs to because all of us as individuals and humanitarians and as elected officials should do all we can to end those atrocities in that side of the world."

I think the key word is here is "yet". Appears they are still working on it and it is not dead.

"PALIN WAS NOT THE FIRST GOVERNOR TO ACT ON CLIMATE CHANGE OR REORGANIZE HER CABINET TO DEAL WITH IT"

Who was the first Governor then?

"PALIN HIRED HER FRIENDS TO KEY ADMINISTRATION POSITIONS"

What friends did she hire in what positions?

Back to Spud--

Congrats to Palin for doing an outstanding job at the debate, and even Biden who for the first time in his career behaved himself for the most part.

Spud, you crack me up. You know you have to be a member of this club before opening your fat mouth... So go have some maple syrup and shut the fuck up... ea....

"So go have some maple syrup"

In Vancouver?

Could the country survive hearing any more of that cornpone hokum?

#1026 | Posted by nullifidian

yet another wonderfull example of why we call liberals like you unamerican.

what about that liberal idea of "diversity" and all that nonsense.........

and here is one thing that got by a lot of people

when biden warned that mccain 5k tax credit would go straight to the insurance companies, it probably sent a shiver through every liberal who heard it.

well guess what.

WHERE IN THE FUCK DO YOU THINK THAT MONEY IS MEANT TO BE SENT>........to pay the doctor bills....you silly goose.......

and the biggest one in my mind has to do with the topic that i just wiped out bob with

biden complaind that policies of the past that led to this and he VOTED For the 1999 deregulation law
THE SAME ONE THEY ARE BLAMING FOR PART OF THIS CRISIS TODAY..........

Bidden looked like a cheesy used car salesman and I would'nt buy from.

Make a statement about Sarah Palin's positions on issues affecting all of us (not just women!) -- specifically in this case the issues of choice, sex education
and access to birth control.

Make a $5 donation to Planned Parenthood in honor of Sarah Palin. The best part is (1) it's tax-deductible and (2) PP will send a card to Sarah Palin letting her know about your gift.

Support a good cause (a necessary cause---PP is fighting for so many important services and issues) and send a message to the McCain/Palin campaign that you think choice is important, health care for women is important, sex and health education are important, etc. Donating 5$ never felt so good! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just click this link secure.ga0.org

And enter Sarah Palin's name and the address of the McCain/Palin campaign. John McCain 2008 P.O. Box 16118 Arlington, VA 22215

Favorite Line McCain Taps Palin!

Did anyone else catch in the video Biden giving

Sara P Lyin the bird? while he scratched his nose. That was classic.

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