Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Wednesday, October 01, 2008

PBS anchor Gwen Ifill, the moderator of Thursday night's vice presidential debate, has a new book scheduled for publication on Inauguration Day titled Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama. "She's so far in the tank for the Democratic presidential candidate, her oxygen delivery line is running out," argues Michelle Malkin.

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Another link.

If nothing else, she has a vested interest in an Obama win with her book carrying Obama's name in the title and set to come out on Inaugaration Day.

gwen ifill? couldn't they have gotten whoopi goldberg?

Well isn't this just peachy king!

Friggin A...

The fix is in. Just like the early voting in Ohio.

If Obama loses, it will not be because of the media. He is their darling.

what? was tupac busy?

oh, wait a minute...

Why not Keith Olbermann?

alan colmes?

Or why not just go ahead and let Sandra Bernhard do it? She can go ahead and mouth off that Palin a bitch and a whore because we know that is what Ifill will be thinking the entire time.




the debate has now become a sham.

good capture on this anamerican.

In THE BREAKTHROUGH, veteran journalist Gwen Ifill surveys the American political landscape, shedding new light on the impact of Barack Obama's stunning presidential campaign and introducing the emerging young African American politicians forging a bold new path to political power.

www.amazon.com

Ha! Talk about in the tank! This bitch is in so deep she needs a snorkel!

Watch her in this video, reporting on Palin's speech at the convention. She acts like she has a small turd under her nose, and is disgusted that she has to report on how moving it was. I see a big problem here with this hack moderating the debate. Watch this and tell me I'm wrong.

www.youtube.com

nanc and Murphy and Phoenix and I hould be the debate moderators.

We'd be good at it too, huh, nanc? lol

Front page on the real drudge site. Hmmm.......

If I were a student of sociology, I would be paying very close attention to this election.

The pop culture/media complex has abandoned all pretenses of objectivity on a guy who's going to lose the election.

The resultant meltdown afterwards will be the most interestig thing in the world.

Be ready for it.

chris - i would be a good moderator, having aided in the upbringing of three great children. #one rule - mom's always right - rule #two - when in doubt, see rule #one! who's phoenix? murphy would be fair - as for you, i'm not so sure about...

pinche - some of u.s. have been preparing our entire lives for such an occasion.

Well, with Brokaw in the McCain camp it's kind of a wash, isn't it?

You wingnuts are so funny.

Ifill has been hosting Washington Week in Review for years. I guess because of the color of her skin you're going to assume she'll be partisan in her questions.

You forget both candidates answer the same questions? Duh.

Everyone is already buzzing that Palin is going to fall flat on her face tomorrow night.

She won't. With the bar set so low from her Couric interviews, she can't help but do well.

It's the "George W effect" If she doesn't drool they'll congratulate her.

Ifill has been hosting Washington Week in Review for years. I guess because of the color of her skin you're going to assume she'll be partisan in her questions.

No, that's just something an uninformed partisan asshole would say to play the race card when they can't address the evidence right in front of them. This woman has a book coming out about Obama, and has clearly showed contempt for Palin and Republicans in the past. But lets' bring race into it, because that's all you've got, right, Alexa?

AND American Loonity!

Sorry, Alex, got the wrong idiot mixed up in the race card comment.

It's the "George W effect" If she doesn't drool they'll congratulate her

Which goes a long ways towards explaining your perception that Obama "won" his debate.

But whatever makes you happy.

I guess because of the color of her skin you're going to assume she'll be partisan in her questions.

Jesus.

There you have it, folks.

Which goes a long ways towards explaining your perception that Obama "won" his debate.

Go check the polls. Personally, I thought they were fairly even. No knockout punches. Slight edge to Obama because McCain couldn't even be bothered to look at his opponent. Bad move when introducing yourself to the voters.

But Obama certainly didn't get his ass kicked in the minds of most. That loony impression belongs to the 27%ers like you, pinche.

When in doubt, stack the deck.

www.drudgereport.com

murphy would be fair - as for you, i'm not so sure about...

#16 | Posted by nanc at 2008-10-01 12:47 AM

I'd be the fairest one of all of you.
Your idea of being "fair" is to be pro-McCain/Palin.

You and Murphy continue to drool over McCain/Palin while I don't really care for either McCain or Obama. I'm a registered independent who isn't thrilled with either candidate. I'd be the most impartial person of the debate moderators. For the simple fact you named Murphy as being "fair" shows that you yourself would not even be close to being able to be impartial as Murphy is solidly pro-Sarah/McCain -- the same as you are.

Sorry, Alex, got the wrong idiot mixed up in the race card comment.

#23 | Posted by cookfish at 2008-10-01 01:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

Gee, with an apology like that how could I hold a grudge?

who's phoenix?

A female Drudgie who, although much more to the left than I am, seems to be open-minded and balanced in her opinions. She and I would provide some counter-balance to you and Murphy who are far, far right.

PINCHE

I hit your sore, racist, spot.

The locations and moderators for the debates were picked months ago before anyone even knew who the final candidates would be.

Those of you pretending this is 'stacking the deck' obviously don't know the simplest facts about how these debates were set up by the commission.

I'm a registered independent who isn't thrilled with either candidate.

Except one of them is a goddamn Communist, Chris.

One of them has a inherent disgust of the country he seeks to "lead".

One of them seeks to tear your country apart so that he may "re-build" it into a model of socialist ideology.

Don't be silly.

Everything you love about the United States, Obama hates.

This goes way beyond the hyperbolic perceptions about "neo-con Republicans" you've developed by listening to California talk radio the past several years.

This is a tad more fundamental and real.

Pinche Madre = Bold face liar.

Everything you love about the United States, Obama hates.

This goes way beyond the hyperbolic perceptions-

It sure does. You're a lunatic.

Pinche but you admit to being a liar right?? The thing is that is all you have. You can't tear down his legacy. All you have is lies.

You're a lunatic.

Oh yeah?

Well you're a poo-poo face.

All you have is lies.

Lies, I tell you...

I have "half-truths", too...

Pinche spouts his nightly tirade of lies but does anybody even listen? No I think not. He has become obsolete.

Hints and Allegations...

Oh I forgot to mention obfuscation. few have mastered that skill as well as you.

Pinche spouts his nightly tirade of lies but does anybody even listen?


I still ♥ Pinche, lol.

He makes me laugh. I like dry humor.

Pinche spouts his nightly tirade of lies but does anybody even listen?

Apparently you do.

You're addicted to me.

That's why you show up like clockwork.

Every night.

I own you.

One of them seeks to tear your country apart so that he may "re-build" it into a model of socialist ideology.


Interesting, gaffe or slip!

One now has to question where mao actually resides.

I like dry humor.

#44 | Posted by CalifChris at 2008-10-01 01:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

Like Obama is a commie?

He isn't joking, chris. He's nuts.

One now has to question where mao actually resides.

Panama.



Panama?

Did your family move its cattle ranch?

PINCHE

Rastaninja was here long before you showed up tonight.

Did your family move its cattle ranch?


Nope, he just likes canals.

Rastaninja was here long before you showed up tonight.

No he wasn't.

But whatever makes you feel good.

JJ,

Nice to hear from ya!

How is the night shift treatin ya?

AU FYI Rastaninja is Jackass/Hardcore/Messiah He isn't to be trusted. Just to let You know.

Larry

They all have similar jackass styles

This site is a hoot

I can't wait for 4 years of wingnuts spitting at their computer screens.

I probably won't post much after Obama wins. Just started as a place to vent at Bush and Co.

Once the government is back in steady hands I'll rest a little easier and read a little so I can laugh my butt off at the Rushbots on the verge of strokes.

:-)

This video, with a FOX News reporter asking the question, should make McCain's supporters very nervous. 26 seconds long (someone explain it to PINCHE. He's on dialup and can't watch it):

www.drudge.com

There is no such thing as a non-partison moderator.
Look at McCain's policy positions and tell me you'd pull the McCain lever and I'll have the guys in white jackets take you away.

Larry what is your problem with me? I never did anything to you.

You like to lie a lot don't You Jackass aka rastaninja Hmmmmmmmmmm

Larry

Larry you are confused. I never did anything to you. If I did why don't you tell me what I did that was so bad?

RASTA

After 8 years of Bush few of us are in our best moods.

:-)

AU you are right about that. I can't wait to tune into Rush and Hannity the day after the election and hear the meltdown. After that I hope their ratings tank and we never have to hear them again.

IDIOT

You got yourself an Abusive Flag.

I'm sure RCADE will look up your ISP and ban you like he did your other ID's.

Gwen Ifill is moderating the Veep debate?

Sweet! Spud likes her. She's a good egg.

In the tank fer Obama you say?

Bwa hah hah hah hah hah hah!

Hey, if Gwen can just keep from laughing out loud everytime Caribou Barbie opens her squeaky cakehole then she'll be more fair and balanced than most folks could manage.

Pinchaloaf and Jeff making commie cracks agin?

* YAAAAWN *

See here's the thing, kidlets.

There is no left left in American politics.

No commies at all. None.

The right, otoh, have gone so far to the right that it could be more truthfully said that they are neo-fascists.

GOPhers are closer in spirit to Nazis than Dems ever will be to Commies.

/The more you know!

Be Well.

Maybe Palin, in her opening remarks, should ask Ifill for a signed copy of her book, "Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama".

That way everyone is watching the debate will know the moderator is in the tank for Obama.

"Once the government is back in steady hands I'll rest a little easier"


Ja wohl!

"Obama Supporter is Moderator for Debate"

More bleating from the frightened herd.

Check out Richard Hofstadter's "The Paranoid Style in American Politics" and see if you recognize anyone: karws.gso.uri.edu

Hey Doc.
Consider your outrage if the moderator of this event was the author of a book to be released on Inauguration Day about McCain's rise from the prison camps of Vietnam to the position of candidate for the President.

And don't tell me there wouldn't be any outrage.

I've seen outrage from you and others for much less.

I don't know if there would be any outrage--I suppose there would be as there's never any shortage of outrage, whether it be over large matters or nothing at all--but it sure wouldn't come from me.

Have you read the book in question? Are you fully aware of its contents?

As I said, check out Hofstadter's "The Paranoid Style in American Politics" and tell me if you recognize anyone.

"Once the government is back in steady hands I'll rest a little easier"

Sorry.
Ike and JFK are both dead.

Hey anamerican would You be outraged if the moderator was "In the Tank" for McCain?? Would You be declaring that was unfair??

Larry

Yes, Larry, I would acknowledge the bias.

The debates are serious and any moderator shouldn't be this obvious in their own bias.

Have Palin cancel the debate. Tell the U.S. how biased and unfair PBS is, and how biased Ifill is - to the point where she can't be fair. I'm sure that in RWW (right wing world) the equivalence will work. After all, the Democrats wouldn't debate on Fox. Of course it's not the same, a fully Democratic primary candidate debate, versus two VP's of different parties, but you'll get some traction.

Of course the rest of the Nation will view this as a fear based decision based on the interviews Palin's had already.

I enjoy this, though. The right is already laying the groundwork for Palin's failure in the debate. I think you'll be more surprised and relieved with her debate performance.

Then you can spin this as "despite the horribly biased evil Ifill, Palin knocked it out of the ball park!"

"The Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations."

So anamerican it would be best to find some hermit in the boonies somewhere that doesn't have cable nor a tv nor knows either Obama or McCain to do the debate then?? Is THAT what You are in effect saying??

Larry

How about just putting in a moderator that isn't so obviously in the tank for Obama? How hard is that? In YAVWorld, stupidity reigns supreme.

chris - i don't DROOL over anybody. the moderator's job is to ask the questions, keep the peace and make sure those debating DO NOT go over their allotted time - how hard can it be?

guess we'll find out after one of biden's 40 minute diatribes in which he says NOTHING!

I've got to get ready for work. May check back during my break or lunch to see how having this moderator for a debate has been spun as being a conspiracy to favor Palin.

Larry, why are you even here? Didn't you just post a big whiny thread that everyone here was picking on you, and you were leaving for good? Is it safe to assume that everything else you say is just bullshit too? Sure seems that way.

It is rare that any judge does not have some prejudice in any contest or legal case. The question is, will it affect his performance or judgement? The moderator has his reputation on the line also--his future employment could easily be affected.

The debates are serious and any moderator shouldn't be this obvious in their own bias.

How about just putting in a moderator that isn't so obviously in the tank for Obama? How hard is that?

Everyone has bias. Fairness isn't about being unbiased, it's about knowing your bias, being aware of how it affects your views, and working to avoid allowing it to affect the job you do as a professional.

I see that I agree with Bob.

"The Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations."
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Soft machine.
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The low spark of high heeled boys.
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"Ike and JFK are both dead."

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Can't Find My Way Home
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Where's Andy Jackson when you need him?
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You have a problem with Me cookfish no sweat. Take it off the Retort. larrydmohr@cox.net we can discuss it there.

Larry

Thanks, Zat.

It is rare that any judge does not have some prejudice in any contest or legal case. The question is, will it affect his performance or judgement? The moderator has his reputation on the line also--his future employment could easily be affected.

Bob - She's got a book due out praising Obama scheduled to release on Inauguration Day. HOW MANY JUDGES FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY?! Are you totally blind, deaf, and dumb? She clearly is biased against Palin and Republicans - watch the video, dummy:

www.youtube.com

Talk about biased!! Of course, this story isn't about penis pumps or a Palin gaffe, so you won't see it anywhere but the back page. But at least Rogers has been up front about being in the tank for Obama. This bitch needs to remove herself IMMEDIATELY.

www.drudgereport.com

"Thanks, Zat."

Posted by Doc_Sarvis


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How about Rush Limbaugh and Bill Maher co-moderate?

That ought to be fun.

"I think you'll be more surprised and relieved at her (Palin's) debate performance...."

I would be surprised if the woman thinks better on her feet under pressure than sitting down with little or none.

i'd rather watch THOSE two debate, zat! with sarah and joe as moderators!

If the current tone of right-wing blogs is an indication, they've surrendered, with ill grace of course. Interesting how quickly McCain has been (re)added to their enemies list. I guess they'll stay home November and stab at their eyes with needles.

"THOSE two"

It would be like matter meeting antimatter; Annihilation.

"stab at their eyes with needles"

Implicit: They're so dumb they might miss.

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You got yourself an Abusive Flag.


I'm sure RCADE will look up your ISP and ban you like he did your other ID's.

#65 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Isn't there a DR version of "The View" that would suit you better, Sally?

"stab at their eyes with needles"

Hotel California
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zed - so that's the HOPE snowjobama's been awaiting?

Ifill should be replaced. Otherwise, the debate should be canceled and moved to another date. Her actions already prove she cannot be fair in the V.P. debate.

if anybody feels ifill should be replaced, let them write here:

Janet Brown, email address is jb@debates.org or you can call and raise hell with the commission at 202-872-1020.

Gwen Ifill's book doesn't mean she's in the tank for Obama. His candidacy is a "breakthrough" regardless of whether he wins the election, because he's the first black on a major party's presidential ticket.

The fact that her book's timed to make a lot of money if he wins -- and will be much less successful if he loses -- does call her impartiality into question.

Ifill should be replaced. Otherwise, the debate should be canceled and moved to another date.

Is this the point of Malkin's media storm -- to give Palin more time to bone up on presidentin'?

Perhaps the McCain campaign should follow the Dem example.

www.politico.com

April 09, 2007
Read More: Barack Obama

Obama Ditches CBC/Fox Debate


Barack Obama has chosen not to attend September's Democratic presidential primary debate co-sponsored by the Congressional Black Caucus Institute and Fox News, an aide said, effectively dooming the event.

Obama is the only member of the Congressional Black Caucus running for President, and his decision allows other candidates to skip the debate without facing criticism that they are turning their backs on a leading black institution.

Friday, John Edwards was the first candidate to announce he'd skip the debate. The CBC Institute is hosting one other debate, with CNN in January, in which all candidates are expected to participate.


Ifill should be replaced. Otherwise, the debate should be canceled and moved to another date.


Is this the point of Malkin's media storm -- to give Palin more time to bone up on presidentin'?

#103 | Posted by rcade at 2008-10-01 10:21 AM


Malkin is not the only one talking about this, Rcade. Look on Drudge Report or google Moderater for VP Debate Gwen Ifill. Its all over the place.

Anybody here read Ifill's book?
Anybody know exactly what she's going to say?
What her perspectives might be?
The video promoting the book makes it sound interesting (
www.metacafe.com).
Whiney rightbot gun-jumpers.

"Ifill has been hosting Washington Week in Review for years. I guess because of the color of her skin you're going to assume she'll be partisan in her questions."

#19 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

AU ignores the book coming out and goes straight for the race card. AU is fucking retarded.

That established, I don't see how a moderator can really do much of anything to swing it in favor of their candidate. As long as the same questions are asked, the same amount of time alotted per candidate, etc.


Yes the percieved injustice here would almost be as bad as having obama debate with a baptist minister as the moderator.

You know, he was white and McCain is white-ish, actually kinda yellow-ish, but you understand.

The election is over and McSame has lost.

The body language and tone of the moderator (or reporter asking the questions) can speak volumes.

Big deal, everyone already knows who they're voting for - Malkin's crazy if she thinks this debate is going to change anything. That said, I'd like to see Michelle Malkin kiss Sarah Palin.

Obama supporter vandalism:


Obama image painted on Republican Club building

NEW SMYRNA BEACH -- Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama made an appearance here over the weekend at the campaign headquarters of the Republican Club of Southeast Volusia, or at least his image did.

A likeness of the Illinois senator, in purple spray paint, was stenciled on the front window and outside columns of the Third Avenue headquarters overnight Friday.

Club officials reported the vandalism Saturday morning and told police they would be willing to prosecute the responsible party.

"I think it is some un-American, uninformed and misguided individual," headquarters committee chairman Bob McKeen said.

Fellow Republican supporter Jerry Rowen said his sign promoting the John McCain-Sarah Palin candidacy suffered the same fate.

"They also did it across the street to a telephone box," he said Monday.

In addition to spray painting, McKeen has heard of about 50 campaign signs being stolen since Thursday. That includes a 4-foot by 8-foot billboard from the 2300 block of State Road 44 overnight Friday. But he isn't pointing fingers at his Democratic counterparts.

Clyde Walker, president of the Southeast Volusia Democratic Club, was equally disgusted with the vandalism and thefts.

"That is aberrant," he said. "This should not be part of the democratic process."

-- Mark I. Johnson

"You know, he was white and McCain is white-ish, actually kinda yellow-ish, but you understand."

Ol' Lipzzie is really wound up over this race/color thing, aintcha, boy. We conservatives are racist because we won't vote for The One...right. On the other hand, I bet you wouldn't vote for Justice Thomas or Michael Steele if either one was running for office....you RACIST PRICK.

At the end of the debate, will Ifill have us all join her with the new sing-along in our little kid voices. "Obama's gonna wead the world....oh....Yes we can..yes we can....oh...yes we can...."?

When Palin can't answer even the most soft-ball of questions, it will be time to blame the moderator.

A built-in excuse.

Malkin is not the only one talking about this, Rcade. Look on Drudge Report or google Moderater for VP Debate Gwen Ifill. Its all over the place.

I know. The media storm began with Malkin and the right-wing has gone nuts with it this morning.

ifill's broken her leg or ankle today...wonder if she'll still moderate?

rcade - no more nutz than the left would be going if it found someone like sean hannity were moderating the debate...

hahahaha, republicans just learning today what the politics of the moderator are!

are you stupid or just plain old incompetent?


repubs and dems approved moderators.

why are righties such whiny pussies?

"republicans just learning today what the politics of the moderator are! "

Although a Fox News piece featured Ifill's upcoming book weeks before the moderators were announced.

" stupid or just plain old incompetent?"

Maybe both.

This kerfuffle is just part of an attempt to get Gwen Ifill to go easy on Sarah "Pathetic" Plain.

"Nancy Pfotenhauer, senior strategist for John McCain's campaign, asks debate moderator Gwen Ifill to not to ask Sarah Palin too many foreign policy questions in Thursday night's debate. And if she doesn't listen, Pfotenhauer says, Ifill will have questions of her own to answer."
www.huffingtonpost.com

You can watch the clip of Pfotenhauer---such a whiner!--- and a complete moron from Faux "News" at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ 2008/09/29/mccain-camp-to- ifill-go-e_n_130202.html

"no more nutz than the left would be going if it found someone like sean hannity were moderating the debate"

That would be a non-starter, as you well know.
The campaigns signed off on the moderators.
So now that McCain-Palin is tanking it's time to "suspend" the moderator?

btw

www.randomhouse.com


the name of the book is

The Breakthrough Politics and Race in the Age of Obama

ABOUT THIS BOOK

In THE BREAKTHROUGH, veteran journalist Gwen Ifill surveys the American political landscape, shedding new light on the impact of Barack Obama's stunning presidential campaign and introducing the emerging young African American politicians forging a bold new path to political power.

Ifill argues that the Black political structure formed during the Civil Rights movement is giving way to a generation of men and women who are the direct beneficiaries of the struggles of the 1960s. She offers incisive, detailed profiles of such prominent leaders as Newark Mayor Cory Booker, Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick, and U.S. Congressman Artur Davis of Alabama, and also covers up-and-coming figures from across the nation. Drawing on interviews with power brokers like Senator Obama, former Secretary of State Colin Powell, Vernon Jordan, the Reverend Jesse Jackson, and many others, as well as her own razor-sharp observations and analysis of such issues as generational conflict and the "black enough" conundrum, Ifill shows why this is a pivotal moment in American history.

THE BREAKTHROUGH is a remarkable look at contemporary politics and an essential foundation for understanding the future of American democracy.


it couldnt be that certain elements are intentionally misconstruing what the book is about, could it?


truth hurts

last week mccain tried to run from the debate and didnt

this week they are trying to get rid of the moderator over a trump up outrage.

and will fail

why are righties such whiny pussies?

Un-Truth,

What are our options? NBC? CBS and Couric? ABC? MSNBC and Olberman? Someone from the NY TIMES?

The problem is we see how biased everything is...and you know they are biased...but you believe everything that they put out! You just tow the party line. Does that make you feel good that you cannot think for yourself. Do you think that is the way to "truth"? They laugh at Palin and make fun of her, but Biden asks a parapalegic to "stand up" and says how FDR "Went on TV" and nothing is said about it. Obama goes into the meeting on Friday when they are discussing the deal and blows up the meeting - and then runs away...but the spin misters try to pin it on McCain...and off course you believe them.

You wouldn't know the "truth" if it hit you in the ass.

#125 | Posted by foshaffer


The paranoid style in American politics, alive and well.

holy obfuscation batman!

this thread is about the SO CALLED AGE OF OBAMA BOOK

we are discussing that book, that issue.

the book is not about obama except so much as he reflects the change in american politics.

it is not a puff piece about obama.

and again

the republicans approved her, why the whining at the last minute?

"why are righties such whiny pussies?"

Because their paranoid vision of the world demands that they play the victim card every chance they get.

I would like to say that I read yesterday that Tom Brokaw has been quite involved with the McCain campaign. As he has been chosen, and according to reports on another site, the McCain would only accept Brokaw as a moderator. So, if they are not willing to accept Gwen Ifill then perhaps there should be an outcry that Tom Brokaw should not be the moderator of the McCain/Obama debate. Several people have sent emails to NBC asking he not be involved with this debate as he has issues with other members of NBC and MSNBC. Specially Olbermann and Matthews. He got his way according to the report yesterday. But if he is so involved with the McCain campaign that should be an issue for this country.

What are our options?


the formation of a bipartisan committee to select debate formats and moderators, agreed on aforehand.

which was done.

why not question the debate format, which will have an equal impact on the debate as the moderator.

ie short answers, no interplay between the candidates.

both these things clearly favor palin.

but you dont hear dems whining.

cause BOTH SIDES AGREED>

btw I have a problem with Ifill cause she did a HORRIBLE job at the VP debate in 2004. HORRIBLE.

the questions she asked were just plain awful.

The media storm began with Malkin and the right-wing has gone nuts with it this morning.


As they should.

As it is, the MSM has already abandoned any pretense of objectivity during this election.

That is bad enough.

But to have a moderator who is so in-the-tank for one party where her financial livelihood (likely more of her books sell if Obama wins, given the content of her book) is on-the-line???


McCain and Palin need to come out swinging during the remaining debates. It's the ONLY chance they have to convey their message without the tremendous bias of media filters.

and we are supposed to believe that she will now be objective and fair? yeah sure


and how about those little songs the kids are singing about obama
all PRODUCED BY A HEAD OF NBC.

and how many liberal fucks want to tell me now that the media isnt in the tank for obama???????????

McCain camp neds to cancel this debate until impartial moderators can be found.

"McCain camp neds to cancel this debate until impartial moderators can be found."

And his promise will be about as empty as his promise to suspend his campaign until the bailout deal was completed. They've already had one word-eating moment regarding the debates; I doubt they want another.

BTW, where was your bitching about Brokaw?

BL2, that is a proven falsehood.

"BL2, that is a proven falsehood."

That's never stopped him before.

bullshit

have you heard the little songs sung for obama
sounds just like the signing for the guy from north korea and if you really put your ear to it you can almost hear the brown shirted youths singing in the late 30's........

and those songs WERE PRODUCED BY a high ranking member of nbc...............

and several other hollywood elites........

and I will let this go about this biased moderator ig they let HANNITY AND RUSH do the last one.

hey.....fair's fair isnt it??????????

or how about if I get some little kids to sing
all about how obama doenst like for little kids who had a botched abortion to LIVE............that would make your head explode.....but THIS SHIT is okay.............more liberal jibberish

and OH YEAH

think back to the SCREAMING AND WHINING when bush brings families into an issue or shit like that.
you all called him all sorts of names and HERE LEFT WING MEDIA are using little children in the same way they are used in north korea.

thier parents should be ASHAMED..........

why are righties such whiny bastards?

Bullshitlover27%

REPUBLICANS AGREED ON IFFIL

KNOWING SHE WAS WRITING THE BOOK

why are you such a whiny bitch?

no complaints about Brokaw

no complaints about a format that favors Palin

just whining.

whhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Since the majority of people in the media are liberals, it isn't a big shocker to me that the person moderating this debate is - brace yourself - a liberal. I assume that any debate on a mainstream network is being moderated by a liberal until they prove otherwise. Usually they don't.

amd ONE MORE PROOF OF MY POINT


its almost a miracle when a conservative is elected because they have to beat their opponent AND THE MEDIA.........

again ,,,just this morning.....today show, good morning america and cnn..........all talked about NO ONE BUT REPUBLICANS who voted no and NOT ONE FUCKIN WORD ABOUT THE DEMS Who voted no......

when all they needed was 12 votes and EVEN FRANK ON HIS OWN committee had 12 dems who voted no......


and while this might not be all on topic, it sort of it.

the media is in the tank for obama, pure and simple

truth........that is a question that I wonder about.

"Obama's gonna weed the world....oh....Yes we can..yes we can....oh...yes we can...."

Actually, a flaming lib being the moderator and trying to swing the debate toward their preferred candidate would be a gift to McCain's campaign. If people think that the media is out to get him or Palin, then they'll sympathize with them.

So either she's going to be biased and it'll be a boost to McCain's/Palin's campaign, or she'll be fair and all the whining will have been for nothing.

I just heard on the radio something interesting.

a question

will all this hullabaloo make her lean more towards mccain?
will it change any questions she will ask?

or will she just not give a shit about how it looks........( my words)..........

pelosi held up her end of the bargain, she got the necessary dem votes

repubs couldnt get theirs.

whiny bitches.

or will she just not give a shit about how it looks........( my words)..........

#149 | Posted by bushlovertwo at 2008-10-01 11:54 AM |


She won't give a shit. The media will make sure its a non-issue.

she will ask questions, the candidates will answer them.


it is how the questions are answered that count.


the question you should be asking:

If Palin cant handle some slanted questions (Im not saying there will be, but presume for the moment there are) or a slanted moderator, how could she handle the office of POTUS?

"pelosi held up her end of the bargain, she got the necessary dem votes"

#150 | Posted by truthhurts

Yep, Pelosi and dems voting with Bush on more handouts to the rich. That's change you can believe in.

"Wait Mr. Putin, that's not fair, that's a gotcha, that's slanted, that's biased! You cant do that!"

whiny bitches

Sympathy didn't work for Hillary Clinton. Why should the Republicans think of relying on it?

whiny bitches

#154 | Posted by truthhurts at 2008-10-01 11:58 AM | Reply


It reminds me of Uallsuck crying to rcade that he got suspended because 101 was a meanie.

Almost, but not quite as whiny, as His Highness, the great Obama.


"pelosi held up her end of the bargain, she got the necessary dem votes"


#150 | Posted by truthhurts


So all the Dems voted for it then...It passed right?

I pointed out a problem with his policy.

now go away troll

How can this possibly be billed as a debate moderated by an unbiased person?

Ifill needs to recuse herself from this debate or no matter what happens, if Palin fails, then Ifill's bias toward Obama will be pointed to as the cause. Right or wrong.

BLT,

Given the crap you post if "the questions you wonder about" were currency, you could solve the global financial crisis without leaving your living room.

Keith Olberman would probably volunteer to fill in as he did for McCain on the Letterman Show. If the politics of the moderator doesn't matter, why not go for the biggest loser of them all.

why not go for the biggest loser of them all.

#162 | Posted by anamerican at 2008-10-01 12:05 PM | Reply | Flag:


Lush Rimjob?

At least this time there is no veneer of impartiality - thank goodness we can all sit back and not have to listen to the feigned moral outrage of the media at the suggestion that they are all partisan hacks - there is no argument this time and there is a book to prove it.


why not go for the biggest loser of them all.


#162 | Posted by anamerican at 2008-10-01 12:05 PM | Reply | Flag:


Lush Rimjob?


As a journalist whose responsibility it is to give an unbiased report of the news, I maintain that Olberman is the loser. Rush is not a journalist.

it is how the questions are answered that count.

What a sophomoric statement.

The ability of the moderator to destroy a candidate through nuanced choice of anecdote and adjective is well documented.

"How would you feel if your wife was raped, Mr. Dukakis?"


michellemalkin.com

LOL


michellemalkin.com


LOL


#166 | Posted by anamerican at 2008-10-01 12:22 PM | Reply | Flag:


Twat's that you say? I cunt hear you.

They'll be bringing in the dead from the morgue soon - under the cover of darkness.

"pelosi held up her end of the bargain, she got the necessary dem votes"

#150 | Posted by truthhurts

You have got to be kidding. 95 dems voted nay - only 12 more votes were required for passage. This could be the most assinine statement ever on the DRUDGE. All of BF's committee did not even vote for it. Tool.

"How would you feel if your wife was raped, Mr. Dukakis?"

Bernard Shaw was a total douchebag fer askin' that question.

Dukkakis was a total asshole answering it.

Be Well.


They'll be bringing in the dead from the morgue soon - under the cover of darkness.

#168 | Posted by anamerican at 2008-10-01 12:25 PM | Reply | Flag:


John NEVERFORGETIWASAPOW McBush has proactively taken up residence in the morgue?

A homeless thug now registered to vote comments: "They picked me up. They seen me walkin' around. So day said, You wanna vote?' I said, Yeah, I'll vote.' (laughs) Day said, We'll take you anywhere you want.' I said, Dat's cool'If day say 'sign the ballot,' just give em and do exactly what they want you to do.' I mean, hey, dis is America, you know?" (laughs).

Who does this new voter support?

"Barack! I mean, I want him to do his thang. You know, do his thug thizzle. You know. That's how I like it to be. You know. (laughs)."

Organizers hoped to sign up 1,000 like him by the end of the day yesterday and more all week.

I am just trying to figure out, who did NOT know GWEN Iffel was not a liberal democrat?. I have watched her on PBS for years, first if your on PBS, there is a slim chance you support McCain. Second, It is unbelieveable people are surprised. The fact that she has written a box on her "Dear Leader" is surprising But jeez,

My next question is where will you get a moderator from the main stream media that DOES NOT support Obama? I'd love to see O'Reilly do it, But I know lefties would whine terribly. I say let here do it, now that the cat is out of the bag, I think she will go out of her way to be "fair and balanced"


"How would you feel if your wife was raped, Mr. Dukakis?"


Bernard Shaw was a total douchebag fer askin' that question.


Dukkakis was a total asshole answering it.

Yup. The point is that the moderator can affect the outcome of the debate. In the Dukakis case, Shaw may well have affected the outcome of the election itself by lending credence to the whole "Willie Horton" smear.

Anyone who thinks IFill can still be the moderator, without calling into question the fairness of the debate, is wrong.

Hey, hillbillyjihad, did you watch the video on michelle malkin's site showing Iffel's commentary on the Palin speech at the convention? Body language and tone can speak volumes even if the questions are appropriate. You can tell from the video she has nothing but disdain for Palin. She looked like she was all but making the "finger down her throat" signal in that clip.

I have a question what is a "Thug Thizzle" and why would Obama be doing his?

www.urbandictionary.com

1. thug thizzle 30 up, 6 down

Doing your thang. Putting your mack down.


"Playboy, I'm just out here doing my thug thizzle"

Everyone knows that all lefties in the media has disdain for Sarah, it is illogical and based on a sheer hatred for people who are not "smart" like them. But I don't think there is anything you can do about it. You just have to hope that regualr people like us, can see what is happening and see through it, which is why ACORN picks up people off the street to register them to vote. ACORN figures if it comes right down to it, they can offer them a "Colt 45 Malt liqour " and they have an Obama vote

I went to that Urbandictionary thing

Do thugs know that there are "gay" thugs and is advertised on there "thug thizzle" page,doesn't being gay automatically make you not able to do your "thug thizzle"

One letter was posted that was sent to the Presidential debate website:

Dear Ms. Brown,

I call upon your sense of justice and fairness regarding Gwen Ifill moderating the vice presidential debate.

There is a legitimate, and dare I say legal, conflict of interest involved. She has a vested financial interest in one candidate winning over the other. The term "moderator" implies someone impartial, in the middle, with no strings attached. That cannot be said about the author of a book heavily promoting one of the candidates. How is that just, fair, or impartial?

I call on you to do the right thing and replace Ms. Ifillor at the very least make an announcement at the beginning of the debate regarding her book and the conflict of interest it represents.

I've been to 40+ countries and seen much injustice. Our country's free and relatively untainted election system is a model for the world. Please do not taint it through your actions.

Thank you.


The last paragraph says it best.

On the other hand, I bet you wouldn't vote for Justice Thomas or Michael Steele if either one was running for office....you RACIST PRICK.

#111 | Posted by jestgettinalong


I would not because they are both dumbasses. Don't have anything to do with race in my mind.

I have not heard one single rational comment on Ifill related to her politics. So what's the objection? The book? Have you read it? It may call Obama Hitler. Maybe that's whay she's waiting, she doesn't want to impune her journalistic integrity and become part of the campaign.

But the implication is that since she is black, obviously she is an avid Obama supporter, despite the fact that the woman is considered to be intelligent and a good journalist.

I don't remember anyone on the left whining because the debate at the church was moderated by a right wing nutjob talibaptist. And his allegience is completely known. That's why he tried to swing it McSames way.

Jestgittingstupid, just because you don't understand doesn't mean I don't.

"(Disdain for Palin) is illogical...."

It just reflects her performance to date. She has a chance to show she can think and chew bubblegum in her debate. But if she screws that up it means she's officially stupid.

"People who are not smart like them..."

We need some smart people now, and if it's not intellect the way you or I value it it sure as hell needs to be something.

It's interesting to reflect that George W. Bush was just as stupid in 1999 as he is today.

Zed, I can't believe you are supporting uh....Barack H. Obama after that dissertation.

ANAMERICAN----I can't see how anyone in their right mind could vote Republican after the last eight years.

Y'all had your heads up your collective asses, and while I don't see Democratic rule as any sort of a panacea, I do want to see the looks on your faces when said heads are forcefully removed.

By any means necessary...right Zed. Hey, they could pick up the homeless everyday for weeks and have them sign up with a different temporary addresses. Who would know the difference?

Here's the difference between the left and the right.

Folk on the right can't or won't be impartial as a rule while folk on the left at least try and are largely successful.

It's funny fer Spud to come onto this thread and see so many rethugs who believe in the "fair and balanced" FOX coming unglued at the thought of Gwen moderating the debates.

Yup. The point is that the moderator can affect the outcome of the debate.

Yes, Spud's point is that Bernie worked fer CNN at the time he made those comments. Can you imagine a right leaning moderater tossing such a loaded question at a Repub candidate?

By the way, in case some assholes hadn't figured it out CNN does not stand fer Communist News Network as some Rtards try to claim. It stands fer Corporate News Network.

Always has and always will.

PBS is indeed a liberal leaning organisation but it also has a shitload of corporate contributers and thus is a semblence of balance achieved.

Lefties inherently believe in being fair.

Righties think playing fair is for pussies.

Be Well.

Dethspud, your argument against this is so lame even the nearby "peas" are popping out of their pods in disbelief.


her book, quite simply put is about "black political power" and if the last debate she covered is any indication:

"Ifill's profile there describes her as a longtime correspondent and moderator for national news programs and includes her service as moderator of the 2004 debate between Edwards and Cheney."

say HELLOHHHHHHH SARAH!

this may not be a bad thing after all.

spudley - lefties fair??? bwaaaaaaaaaahahahaha! which one?

all of us nanc

it is in our DNA

it is who we are

diplomatic, compromising, inclusive, interdependent, empathetic, concerned about fairness and equality is in our very makeup.

Dethspud, your argument against this is so lame...

O'Rly?

Then you should have no trouble finding an instance of a right leaning commentator sinking a Rep candidacy the way Bernie did Dukkakis.

Spud'll just wait right here fer that example.

/Not gonna hold me breath or nothing.

Be Well.

Truthhurts, gag me with a spoon. Especially after seeing voter fraud going on right now as we speak.

michellemalkin.com

Michelle "Meshugena" Malcontent is the one protesting about unfair newsies?

Bwa hah hah hah hah hah hah hah.

That's not a case of a pot calling the kettle black it's more like the grass calling the sky green.

Be Well.

Sure Spud, I've not seen Michelle Malkin out picking up bums off the street to vote for a candidate of her choice. Bums that will have a different address tomorrow and another one the day after that... Have you?

no but we have seem Michelle Malkin post the home address of a child used in a political ad.

I'm not aware of that, but I have a question. If so, wasn't it was also the address of the child's parent who allowed their child to be used in a political ad? God, you people have no shame, do you?

"I've not seen Michelle Malkin out picking up bums off the street..."

Are you joking? She picks up bums off the street all the time.

"...to vote..."

Ohhhhhh...to vote.

Nevermind.

oh - oh !!
by Greta Van Susteren
I confirmed for us here on GretaWire: the McCain campaign did NOT know about Gwen Ifill's book (I think I told them when I made my efforts - emails about midnight - to find out!) I am stunned.the campaign (actually both) should have been told before the campaign agreed to have her moderate. It simply is not fair - in law, this would create a mistrial.


If Ifill's refuses to step down due to an unbelievable conflict of interest I submit the local chapter Grand Wizard moderate the debate instead, I am sure the left would agree since most of them seem to think the moderator is not relevant...

www.youtube.com

I would like see the addresses of all the parents of these children so I could tell them what I think of their use of their children.

Have you?

Of course not ya big goomba.

Michelle works for the propaganda section of the dirty tricks division of the rethuglican crime syndicate. Yer thinking of the caging section.

You know like in the last couple of elections where rethugs deliberately disenfranchised MILLIONS of voters including members of the armed forces and especially the poor and minorities largely w/o them being aware it had taken place.

People like Monigoo and Tim Griffin who eventually paid back fer their perfidy with cushy gigs well above their capabilities by the GOPher party where no great crime goes unrewarded.

Be Well.

If Ifill's refuses to step down

Just because one holds a political position does not mean it has to affect ones job. Especially if that job by definition demands objectivity.

The Rs are simply lowering the bar of expectations fer the debate to laughable levels and setting themselves up with a prefabricated excuse fer when Sarah Failin' fergits her flashcards.

Be Well.

Spuddy buddy, your outrage is noted. If you read Michelle Malkin at all, you would see that she has little use for McCain. However, she definitely does not see Obama as a better choice.

I suppose the Keith Olbermans and their like of the tv media are not supposed to have any opposition to balance their liberal mantra. With an Obama World, you may get your wish.

... the McCain campaign did NOT know about Gwen Ifill's book ...

Hard to believe. Ifill's book has been mentioned numerous times in the media, including in an AP story two weeks before she was chosen as moderator.

"I am stunned.the campaign (actually both) should have been told"

They were.

There was a piece on Fox News weeks before the moderators were announced. If the McCain camp didn't know, it's their own fault. More than likely, though, they're loading up on excuses. Look for all Palin's flubs to be laid squarely at the feet of the moderator. If she asks the exact same questions, for example, it'll be the way the question was posed to Palin.

"I would like see the addresses of all the parents of these children so I could tell them what I think of their use of their children."

I'm sure Malkin is on it as we speak.

The first mention of Ifill's book I found through some haphazard googling was in an AP story on July 22, although it came up again in this Kurtz profile of her in WaPo on September 4. She was announced as the VP debate moderator on August 5. The two sides agreed to the Debate Commission's proposed schedule on August 21, although wrangling over the format of each event was still going on as recently as 10 days ago. Don't the campaigns vet and sign off on the moderators? How'd they miss this little detail? Or is this a case of Team Maverick deciding that the racial demagoguery they'd get from the left for trying to have her removed because of a pro-Obama book made it simply not worth the aggravation?

hotair.com

Looks like the McCain campaign vetted Ifill the way they did Palin.

Whether they knew about the point about Fox News that Danforth raised above, this is being used to (a) lay the groundwork to explain Plain's performance if she embarrasses herself and (b) shake up the moderator in the hope that tough questions won't be asked.

"Or is this a case of Team Maverick deciding that the racial demagoguery they'd get from the left for trying to have her removed because of a pro-Obama book made it simply not worth the aggravation?"

If so, it's now a case of whining about the bed you yourself made.

If you read Michelle Malkin at all, you would see that she has little use for McCain.

Of course not, McCain has been a victim of vicious rethug infighting fer decades. Rush hates him too. He is seen by the Talibaptists as too moderate and not enuff of a "true believer". He's the singularily least impressive rethug candidate fer decades.

That sed, Michelle Malcontent is a total psycho chick.

A self loathing anchor baby with a penchant fer stretching, fudging and obliterating the truth.

From welcoming interment camps to saying that the majority of hispanic pols support the "reconquista" agenda to starting a war against dunkin donuts and paisley ties she is batshiat insane.

The fact that you read her and find her to be anything other than an obvious joke sez tons about you, btw.

Be Well.

How'd they miss this little detail?

In John's case? Senility.
In Sarah's case? Stupidity.

Thanx fer askin'.

^_^

Be Well.


Gwen Ifill sheds 'new light on the impact of Barack Obama's stunning presidential campaign'...
McCain campaign 'did not know about Ifill's book'...

Don't the campaigns vet and sign off on the moderators?

TH: YES, so they have no reason to complain. Like the dems cant complain about a format that favors Palin.

How'd they miss this little detail?

TH: Incompetence. Mirrors the incompetence of failed intelligence leading to a war in Iraq.

Or is this a case of Team Maverick deciding that the racial demagoguery they'd get from the left for trying to have her removed because of a pro-Obama book made it simply not worth the aggravation?

TH: Assumes facts not in evidence. Sorry, please try again.

psst there are a few african american journalists who they could have substituted. you are aware she did the VP debate 4 years ago?

"McCain campaign 'did not know about Ifill's book'... "

"The first mention of Ifill's book I found through some haphazard googling was in an AP story on July 22"

Maybe McCain should learn to use the internets, after all....

McCain campaign 'did not know about Ifill's book'...

The things that McCain and his campaign do not know could fill a lot of books.

Hell, it could prolly fill the Library of Congress twice over.

Be Well.

Gwen Ifill sheds 'new light on the impact of Barack Obama's stunning presidential campaign'...
McCain campaign 'did not know about Ifill's book'...


#210 | Posted by ATaxpayer


The new light being that Obama is up against an incompetent boob?

McCain campaign 'did not know about Ifill's book'

McCain doesn't know what he had for breakfast.

Bush didnt know about WMD

McCain didnt know about Ifill's book

When you are intellectually incurious this is what happens.

To paraphrase what a scottish super hero once said:

"It tells me, that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try *reading* books instead of *banning* them!

I'm getting back to work now. Will check on the left wing lunacy that pervades this thread later.

They need to pull this moderator so that when the Mukluk Messiah BOMBS, the McSame/Failin trolls can't try use that as an excuse for their candidates abysmal performance.

I can't wait to watch 'Sara BarraCoochie' to go down in flames.

How dare someone have the audacity to write a book about Obama AND try and come up with impartial questions for those running for president at the same time? Next you'll be asking she walk and chew gum at the same time! Crazy talk!

This modern crop of big-government republicans are the ones who thought it was ok to have the mortgage industry regulate itself while awash with imaginary money...leading to a massive systemic credit crisis. Have they learned their lesson about conflicts of interest and are trying to share their newfound wisdom with the rest of America so we can choose a president based on facts instead of beliefs? Or are they just as opportunistic and full of shit as they have been for the last 8 years, with short term gain as the sole objective?

Tough one, I know. Anyhow, back to pointing and screaming.

After reading some of the responses from the rightards on here, I have to ask, "Don't both candidates get the same questions"?

I keep hearing how it's all 'in the tank' but how can that be if they both have to answer the same questions?

I guess you'll grasp at anything when Sara Failin is your Mukluk Messiah and you know she's going to say the most stupid shit in front of a live audience.

Expect the retard from Alaska to have a new 'do' to hide the earpiece that will be feeding her bullshit.

I suppose the Keith Olbermans and their like of the tv media are not supposed to have any opposition to balance their liberal mantra.

One doesn't need to be a liberal to oppose the stupid, cruel and cowardly policies of Cheney's pet chimp-in-chief.

One simply requires a brain and a heart and some courage.

Be Well.

The new light being that Obama is up against an incompetent boob?

I know Biden is an incompetent gaff master and he charges Obama's campaign ads as being in poor taste, but I still would not call him a boob fact is he is not intelligent enough to rise to the status of boob. Spin this however you like at the end of the day the truth comes out having a moderator with such a huge conflict of interest is unprecedented. If liberals were smart they would insist the "excuse for loosing" be removed and replaced...



Debate Moderator Writing 'Age of Obama'



So the moderator wrote a book about race and politics. So What? I think everyone is forgetting the fact that the moderators are approved by both campaigns. So the McLame campaign either didn't do their homework, which would be a display of gross incompetence, or they did know and wanted to paint the moderator as biased to cover for that idiot Palin. I report, you decide.

Ifill declined to return a WND telephone message asking for a comment about her book project and whether its success would be expected should Obama lose. But she has faced criticism previously for not treating candidates of both major parties the same.

Fox News commentator Greta Van Susteren reported the McCain campaign didn't know about the book.

"It simply is not fair in law, this would create a mistrial," she said.


But she has faced criticism previously for not treating candidates of both major parties the same.

#224 | Posted by ATaxpayer

But apparently such criticism was not taken seriously by the McCain camp, which approved this moderator.


Fox News commentator Greta Van Susteren reported the McCain campaign didn't know about the book.


"It simply is not fair in law, this would create a mistrial," she said.

#225 | Posted by ATaxpayer

So that would make the McCain camp a bunch of bumbling idiots? Don't they know how to use the 'google'? Do we really want these people in charge?

"Ifill and her publisher are banking on an Obama/Biden win to buoy her book sales. The moderator expected to treat both sides fairly has grandiosely declared this the 'Age of Obama.' Can you imagine a right-leaning journalist writing a book about the 'stunning' McCain campaign and its 'bold' path to reform timed for release on Inauguration Day and then expecting a slot as a moderator for the nation's sole vice presidential debate?"

Bullshit has been declared this moderator is clearly biased and should be removed and replaced an act that thinking liberals would support as this would take away any "excuse" for a poor performance by Palin. If Palin does poorly on a level playing field that's life, having a biased moderator with a vested interest in turning a profit on her book is BULLSHIT...


.' Can you imagine a right-leaning journalist writing a book about the 'stunning' McCain campaign and its 'bold' path to reform timed for release on Inauguration Day and then expecting a slot as a moderator for the nation's sole vice presidential debate?"

#228 | Posted by ATaxpayer

Yes I can. And the Obama camp might approve of such a moderator if their VP choice was an uneducated, simple fool. That way they could blame the VP choice's gaffes on the moderator and still be able to claim victory. But apparently the didn't need to pull a stunt like that this year. ATAXPAYER, does the fact that the McCain campaign approved this moderator not register with you?

So that would make the McCain camp a bunch of bumbling idiots? Don't they know how to use the 'google'? Do we really want these people in charge?

McCain's campaign fumbled big time their incompetence at not finding this out before approving the moderator is frankly unbelievable. Having said that the moderator is still clearly biased and has a vested interest in the outcome of this debate, can you not see that her book profits will certainly be effected. The moderator has a huge conflict of interest no matter how you spin this...

If Ifill isn't impartial, then Palin can demonstrate how effective she is in the face of adversity. Which is what a VP does with when meeting with international leaders. They definitely won't care if they are called "partial".

"ATAXPAYER, does the fact that the McCain campaign approved this moderator not register with you?"

Yes point taken that still leaves the issue of a moderator that is clearly biased and looking to make a profit on her book deal.


If Ifill isn't impartial, then Palin can demonstrate how effective she is in the face of adversity. Which is what a VP does with when meeting with international leaders. They definitely won't care if they are called "partial".

#232 | Posted by fyi at 2008-10-01 02:44 PM | Reply


This about sums it up.

If Ifill isn't impartial, then Palin can demonstrate how effective she is in the face of adversity. Which is what a VP does with when meeting with international leaders. They definitely won't care if they are called "

Then you must agree it would be a good idea to have the local Grand Wizard conduct all future debates so Obama can demonstrate how effective he is in the face of adversity.


The moderator has a huge conflict of interest no matter how you spin this...

#231 | Posted by ATaxpayer

Spin this? Can't you tell when you're being played? The McCain camp knew about the book. Whether she is trully biased is another issue. All that mattered to them is that she appear biased in order to lower the expectations of Palin's performance even further. At this point all she has to do is show up and the GOP will declare victory (and they probably already have, given their recent history). So they pull out the sob story about the poor 'feisty' Palin, with all the cards stacked against her, so that people that 'think' with their feelings will feel sorry for her. Are you a man or a woman?

This about sums it up.

The Librual fix is on. I can just see the questions now...

"Senator Biden what day of the week is it?"

"Gov Palin please recite line 104 from the Magna Carta and describe the impact it had on the 1978 local elections in Darwin, Australia"

"Senator Biden boxers or briefs?"

"Gov Palin please recite the first 500 places of pi"

"Senator Biden what shampoo do you use?"

"Gov Palin please describe the advances in angioplasty over the last twenty years in chronological order by month."

"Senator Biden what city was "New York" named after?"

"Gov Palin please solve this Rubik's cube in your alloted response time in the minimal amount of moves possible."

"Senator Biden what's the name of your running mate?"

"Gov Palin when did you stop cheating on your husband?"

Palin can demonstrate how effective she is in the face of adversity

~DC

She had that chance the other day.

She ended up having her ass handed to her by Cutie Couric of all people.

Her brain would hafta put on a few pounds in order fer her to be considered a intellectual lightweight.

Nice postage. Party on, Darth!

Be Well.

Spin this? Can't you tell when you're being played? The McCain camp knew about the book. Whether she is trully biased is another issue. All that mattered to them is that she appear biased in order to lower the expectations of Palin's performance even further. At this point all she has to do is show up and the GOP will declare victory (and they probably already have, given their recent history). So they pull out the sob story about the poor 'feisty' Palin, with all the cards stacked against her, so that people that 'think' with their feelings will feel sorry for her. Are you a man or a woman?

It looks like you are being "played" if you can see McCain doing all this on purposeAs I said before where are all the liberals calling for the moderator to be pulled so McCain can not claim victory with this dirty little trick ? The moderator stays and there is no level playing field, so if Palin bombs she can always blame it on BOOK GATE...

"The Librual fix is on. I can just see the questions now..."

Sean Hannity: Governor Palin, why is Obama's plan so dangerous for America?

"Then you must agree it would be a good idea to have the local Grand Wizard conduct all future debates so Obama can demonstrate how effective he is in the face of adversity."

What an idiotic comparison.

Wake us up when one of your Grand Wizard buddies has similar credentials to Gwen Ifill:

Ifill worked for the Boston Herald (1977-1980), Baltimore Evening Sun (1981-1984), The Washington Post (1984-1991), The New York Times (1991-1994), and NBC. In October 1999, she became moderator of the PBS program Washington Week in Review. She is also senior correspondent for the NewsHour with Jim Lehrer.

(from wiki)

"Wake us up when one of your Grand Wizard buddies has similar credentials to Gwen Ifill"

Suppose that someone in the Klan did. Would the principle of allowing biased moderators as a way of seeing how candidates handle adversity extend to that?

Ifill's profile on the website describes her as a longtime correspondent and moderator for national news programs and includes her service as moderator of the 2004 debate between Edwards and Cheney.

However, there's no mention of her upcoming book. Nor does the website for the Commission on Presidential Debates mention her book.

Gee I wonder why that part was LEFT out...

"Would the principle of allowing biased moderators as a way of seeing how candidates handle adversity extend to that?"

Prove her bias, or STFU.

"Gee I wonder why that part was LEFT out..."

So McCain wouldn't know...isn't it obvious?

"Spin this? Can't you tell when you're being played? The McCain camp knew about the book. Whether she is trully biased is another issue. All that mattered to them is that she appear biased in order to lower the expectations of Palin's performance even further.

Kind of hard to follow your logic since the moderator was picked a month in advance of Palin being named VP candidate.

"Then you must agree it would be a good idea to have the local Grand Wizard conduct all future debates so Obama can demonstrate how effective he is in the face of adversity." - Atax

So you equate Ifill with the Grand Wizard? You think that makes your argument sensible? Personally I think it makes you look like you do not know how to debate. And that you are afraid of adversity.

"Wake us up when one of your Grand Wizard buddies has similar credentials to Gwen Ifill"
Suppose that someone in the Klan did. Would the principle of allowing biased moderators as a way of seeing how candidates handle adversity extend to that?

First of all I do not have any "Grand Wizard buddies" that being said I was making an analogy of how unbelievably biased it is to have the moderator in the middle of a book deal that depends on the outcome of this debate. So far the explanation is that it is a dirty trick by McCain so he can claim victory in the face of "BOOK GATE"... WTF and BULLSHIT...

To: NANC
The expression is peachy KEEN!!! you dolt!!
gwen ifil may be in the tank for Obama but i respect her as a journalist and think she will be fair toPalin. besides that if the McCain camp and the GOP are so uninformed that they just now figured this out and are raising hell about it, how uninformed will they be when running our country. This is just a pre-emptive scapegoat employed by McCain's camp to provide an excuse for what will be a massive failure by Palin to prove her credibility.

"Suppose that someone in the Klan did. Would the principle of allowing biased moderators as a way of seeing how candidates handle adversity extend to that?" - Joe

You really believe that taking things to a logical extreme (reducio ad absurbum) is a valid comparison? If so, you will never have any debates because everyone is biased.

"First of all I do not have any "Grand Wizard buddies""

Of course you don't.

"have the moderator in the middle of a book deal"

The book deal was already inked.

"So far the explanation is that it is a dirty trick by McCain"

The real reason is the incompetence of McCain's campaign. Time to place blame where it belongs: if the McCain camp is uncomfortable with Ifill, why did they agree to her?

"Prove her bias, or STFU."

I never said she was biased, and the question posed to you had nothing to do with whether she is or she isn't. Answer the question or STFU.


The real reason is the incompetence of McCain's campaign. Time to place blame where it belongs: if the McCain camp is uncomfortable with Ifill, why did they agree to her?

Fox News commentator Greta Van Susteren reported the McCain campaign didn't know about the book.


"It simply is not fair in law, this would create a mistrial," she said.

There's much that's been said already upthread.

With Ifill asking the questions it seems as though it'll provide cover for Palin. Not unlike when we see a party investigate itself - the cries of it being unfair abound.

If Ifill's "too tough" on Palin, it'll be spun by the right as the lib media beating up on her. If Palin handles the debate well, extra cudos to her for defeating both Biden and Ifill.

Biden, meanwhile, has been bumped to #3 behind both Palin and Ifill.

"Answer the question"

"Would the principle of allowing biased moderators as a way of seeing how candidates handle adversity extend to that?"

Sure, if that's the point you're trying to make.

""It simply is not fair in law, this would create a mistrial,""

Too bad McCain's lawyer didn't object. I'm sure Joe can enlighten you on the finer points.

"It simply is not fair in law, this would create a mistrial,"

Ignorance of the law doesn't get you set free. The world doesn't give a fuck if you're up to date on info. Nature doesn't care if you are prepared. All this talk of personal responsibility - where's the "walk" to support the talk?

Kind of hard to follow your logic since the moderator was picked a month in advance of Palin being named VP candidate

~Furio

Yes, but this manufactured "controversy" didn't rear it's ugly head until the last second did it?

Be Well.

""It simply is not fair in law, this would create a mistrial,"

Yep, it's called receiving bad counsel.

Fox News commentator Greta Van Susteren reported the McCain campaign didn't know about the book.

"It simply is not fair in law, this would create a mistrial," she said.

Ha! A FOX commentator bitches about "unfairness"

Could someone please e-mail Greta "Plastic Surgery Disaster" Van Suckup the definition of "irony".

Spud would but he's too busy laughing at her.

Be Well.

do any of you complaining about Ifill even know who she is? she's as fair as they come.

I guess because of the color of her skin you're going to assume she'll be partisan in her questions.

per AU--

Unbelievable you would post that AU.


www.electoral-vote.com


today Obama 286 McCain 190 Ties 62
yesterday Obama 286 McCain 225 Ties 27
9/29/08 Obama 286 McCain 252
9/18/08 Obama 243 McCain 274 Ties 21


McCain is about to crater.

Ding, Ding, Ding!

I've got to get ready for work. May check back during my break or lunch to see how having this moderator for a debate has been spun as being a conspiracy to favor Palin.

#77 | Posted by anamerican at 2008-10-01 07:49 AM


See?

"The real reason is the incompetence of McCain's campaign. Time to place blame where it belongs: if the McCain camp is uncomfortable with Ifill, why did they agree to her?

#252 | Posted by Danforth at 2008-10-01 03:20 PM |


I called it about right at 7:49 this morning when I left to go to work. Instead of the left calling it a conspiracy its only incompetence. Nevertheless, in their oh so honest opinion, it's no big deal.


Does everybody know that practically every newsperson on the idiot box is writing or has written a book by this point?

Gwen's book is about race and politics in the US, an important subject. The book does not, by it's mere existence, prove that Gwen is a partisan hack.

Saying that just because one has written a book on a subject means they will obviously be biased towards that subject is a bit of a stretch and Gwen Ifill to date has shown a capacity fer objectivity and professionalism that certain folks at other Faux News organizations will never be able to achieve.

FOX watchers should be taking notes during tommorow nights debate to see wot credible journalism looks like.

Be Well.

And folks it is not that she is bias or likely bias--she has a "financial interest" in one party winning.
----------

And to Joe --the newly passed lawyer in Illinois.

If you are in front of a judge and the judge wrote a book on your opponent counsel...Would you ask the judge to recuse him/her self?
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Heck 98% of the media is biased for Obama.

That being said--there should be a change in the moderator.

How about if Jerome Corsi moderate the next POTUS debate?
_________-

And for the record--Sarah will do fine. She is intelligent and with all this brouhaha--she knows what she is walking into. We'll just get a glimpse of Sarah Barracuda--that oughta shut up some folks! 'o)
_______________

Gwen will watch herself because if she doesn't she will be ruined career wise. She should have the questions reveiwed by Jim Lehrer--now that guy is a fantastic moderator--really top notch.

www.fivethirtyeight.com

Obama 336
McCain 202

"How about if Jerome Corsi moderate the next POTUS debate?"

Nah...they're going to have Tom "I make up facts to prop up McCain" Brokaw for the next one, and Bob "I'm a personal friend of Bush's" Schieffer moderate the final one.

mediacenter.mochacity.com

What's does "upbeat story" mean, and why was Ifill doing one on Obama?

" in their oh so honest opinion, it's no big deal."

No...it's a big deal. The moderators were vetted with the same vigor as Palin. McCain's camp is now claiming something they didn't believe was important when they agreed to it is now VERY important. The fact of Ifill's book was known. That the McCain camp didn't know isn't anyone's fault but their own.

But you'll try to get Brokaw and Schieffer tossed off, right?

Dan--who picks these people?

Are there any people out there that folks will trust?

Jim Lehrer was great--are there any others like him?

"who picks these people?"

The campaigns. The McCain camp signed off on Ifill.

Fox News commentator Greta Van Susteren reported the McCain campaign didn't know about the book.

"It simply is not fair in law, this would create a mistrial," she said.

#225 | Posted by ATaxpayer at 2008-10-01 02:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

You mean the McSame would have to admit that he didn't do his homework again? Just like when he chose the Mukluk Messiah?

Hmmmmmm.....I guess doing the groundwork needed isn't one of McCains strong points. I'd bash him over the head with that in the ads if I were Obama.

"Jim Lehrer was great--are there any others like him?" - MURPHY

Well, there's Tim Russert. He and Larry King have about the same amount of living cells.

From 101 link--

OBAMA PRESS TOUR: Barack Obama and family will be making the rounds on even more covers once the September issues of the monthlies hit newsstands. First, the entire family will appear on the cover of Essence for an upbeat story by PBS newswoman Gwen Ifill. The magazine nailed the exclusive interview and photo shoot with sister Time Inc. title People that took place in Butte, Mont., during the Fourth of July and at the Obamas' home in Chicago in mid-June (People's Obama interview and photo shoot ran in its Aug. 4 issue). Among the highlights in the Essence story, Ifill reports from the campaign bus as the family travels to Montana, and how they interact with supporters and with each other. "The Obamas pride themselves on creating a family picture that is authentically black with shades of Norman Rockwell," she summarizes. Michelle Obama also discusses her family's relationship to its neighborhood on the south side of Chicago: "For all of this wonderful madness that comes along with our lives the Secret Service, the cars there are kids on Forty-seventh and King Drive who can walk two blocks and be that close for the first time to somebody who can be the president of the United States. I love that," she says.


Can it get any worse?

"And for the record--Sarah will do fine." - Murphy

And if she does so in the face of all those obstacles you mentioned, it will make her look even better. So the issue of the moderator is really no issue. Good to know.

Common--McCain camp was asked if they knew about Gwennie's book and they did not.

They are not complaining are they?

The ones questioning this are folks like us and the other media.


_________

How about Luke Russert?

Gwen Ifill should publicly disclose her book's impending release and title to the entire nation at the very beginning of tomorrow night's debate. To do anything less would be unethical. The disclosure itself is unlikely to do Ifill any harm rather, it may actually pump her pre-release sales.

But you'll try to get Brokaw and Schieffer tossed off, right?

#271 | Posted by Danforth at 2008-10-01 04:06 PM | Reply


Only if she's in to old people.

In an imaginary world where liberal journalists are held to the same standards as everyone else, Ifill would be required to make a full disclosure at the start of the debate. She would be required to turn to the cameras and tell the national audience that she has a book coming out on January 20, 2009 a date that just happens to coincide with the inauguration of the next president of the United States. Yep no problems here...

If you ask me Nils Lane should moderate the debate-"Let's Get it ON!"

Michael Buffer should announce the candidates

"LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!!!"

Mean Gene Okerland should do the announcing.

Ring Girls between questions.

Taser collars around the candidates necks if they go over their time

OOOOOH IF I WERE IN CHARGE!

"The disclosure itself is unlikely to do Ifill any harm rather, it may actually pump her pre-release sales."

If she doesn't:
That PROVES she's biased!

If she does:
She used the debate to shill for her book. That PROVES she's biased!

MURPH-
To your point about fairness... that's the problem. It's virtually impossible to find anyone who is fair to both sides. Journalism has devolved into advocacy.

It's not hard to see if one really cares to acknowledge it.

Perhaps to get away from the "moderator led" Q & A format, a better format might be to allow each candidate to initiate a set number of topics (3, say). Then allow each to comment on the other's points.

You could have 15 minute segments - the topic being initiated by a candidate. Example: first 15 minute segment McCain leads off talking about Iraq for 3 minutes, then Obama for 3, then rebuttals, then a free for all till the time expired.

Then Obama can initiate a topic. Healthcare. Same format follows.

I really like it when candidates are allowed to expound on a topic and when there's back and forth between candidates vs having the moderator be high profile trying to rush things to get in all their questions. They're like the ref in football - best not to be "the story" but, like Lehrer the other night, allowing candidates the freedom to really explain their stance.

In an imaginary world where republicans weren't such pussies, the republicans and the democrats would get together agree on a format and moderators and that would be that.

oh what's that? that is how it played out?

and the republicans should have known about the book? you mean it was common knowledge? reported on FOX and all? and they still agreed to her?

why are righties such whiny pussies?

"where liberal journalists are held to the same standards as everyone else"

Bwahahahahaha!

Sean Hannity: Governor Palin, why is Obama's plan so dangerous for America?

Actually here is the question: Sean Hannity: Governor Palin, you are a GREAT AMERICAN, why is Obama's plan so dangerous for America?

Folk on the right can't or won't be impartial as a rule while folk on the left at least try and are largely successful.

SPUD

Followed by the impartial and tolerant use of the made up word Talibaptists.

a better format might be


any of the following:

1. nude oil wrestling
2. death cage matches
3. duels with flame throwers
4. Dwarf tossing.


"....why is Obama's plan so dangerous for America?"


Uhhh...maybe because it will make America look like Chicago???


Body count: In the last six months 292 killed (murdered)*** in Chicago ; 221 killed in Iraq .

Sens. Barack Obama & Dick Durbin,
Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr.,
Gov. Rod Blogojevich,
House leader Mike Madigan,
Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike),
Mayor Richard M. Daley (son of Mayor Richard J. Daley)
.....our leadership in Illinois .....all Democrats.

Thank you for the combat zone in Chicago .
Of course, they're all blaming each other.
Can't blame Republicans; there aren't any! LOL

State pension fund $44 Billion in debt, worst in country.
Cook County ( Chicago ) sales tax 10.25% highest in country. (Look 'em up if you want).
Chicago school system rated one of the worst in the country.
This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois .

And he's gonna 'fix' Washington politics for us!

yes cause cities arent impacted by national or statewide economic policies.

so any bad answers will be the moderators fault, good trick there! If Palin wants to win the debate all she has to do is have Tina Fey stand in for her!

...the impartial and tolerant use of the made up word Talibaptists.

The whole point to the word "Talibaptist" is to underscore the intolerant nature of these theocracy seeking fundy farkups.

Intolerance of unjust intolerance is as righteous as hating hate or loving love.

Impartial, by the way, in the sense that one tries to be fair and not merely a partisan hack, not in the sense that one has no opinions at all.

Impartial in the sense that all of one's opinions are well-considered enuff to have validity.

Spud's got that in spades.

G08ama/8iden '08!

Be Well.

Let's see if Ifil is replaced....

Whoopi. Joy Behar. Heather Mallick. Jamie Lee Curtis. Mrs Osbourne. Arianna Huffington, Kathleen Parker, Lindsay Lohan....

For guys....

Matt Demon, Joe Klein, Fareed Zakaria, Chris Matthews, Olbermann....

more later

Update:michellemalkin.com

Responding to questions about PBS anchor/VP debate moderator/"Age of Obama"-proclaiming author Gwen Ifill's conflicts of interest, a PBS spokeswoman huffed: "The book has been a known factor for months, so I'm not sure what the big deal is."

It wasn't a "known factor" to the McCain campaign. And it's highly doubtful the American public would have been fully informed about Ifill's Inauguration Day-timed Obama book before Thursday by PBS or Ifill or the Presidential Debate Commission.

John McCain told Fox News that's he confident the "well-respected" Ifill will be fair. But at the heart of the controversy is an issue McCain is supposed to care deeply about: Transparency.

PBS, I'm not sure.

NPR, left leaning.

Truthhurts wants flame throwers and shooting exercises--

Sarah would kick Joes' butt! ;o)


Dan points out the obvious double edged sword in divulging that Gwen has an upcoming book.

As long as Gwen respects the process--no gotcha questions to either candidate. Calls them by title and no snarky or snippy remarks after an answer (ie Cheney Edwards debate)--it should be fine.

Gwen needs to address "Governor and Senator" on every question--no "Mr. or Mrs." stuff.

Obama is taking some heat for calling Senator McCain "John". He stopped himself pretty quickly but Americans noticed and did not like it.

And all of us junkies will be keeping tabs--won't we!?

Don't worry righties, I'm sure that her campaign has made sure that as part of the rules for this one that she doesn't technically have to speak at all during the "debate." It's kind of hard to fuck up in a "debate", hell, she probably already knows what questions are going to be asked word for word.

I guess McCain supporters will have to suck it up. But this interview should give you another example of the bias that Ifill brings to the debate:


Ifill interviewing Congresswoman Heather Wilson.


IFILL: There is also a big difference between running a state -- or running -- as long as she has run a state -- and running for one of the biggest jobs in the country. What advice do you give her, how to balance it?

WILSON: Let me say something on that.

IFILL: She's got five kids! She's got challenges.

WILSON: That bothers me.

IFILL: Tell me why.

WILSON: No one ever asked John Kennedy whether he could be president and be a dad. Nobody asked Senator Obama whether he could be president and be a dad. But because Governor Palin is a woman, they're asking whether she can be vice president and a mom.

IFILL: But she described herself in herself in her --

WILSON: It's time to end the double standard.

IFILL: I understand what you're saying. She described herself as a "hockey mom." That was her self-description.

WILSON: One of the greatest things about Senator Obama is he talks about the important of being a father and a parent, but nobody asks whether he can do both at the same time. We need to end the double standard -- and the double standard, I think, is not being pushed by Republicans here at the convention. It's being asked by people in the media who should know better.

I've heard a lot about Palin being prepared for the debate. They all prepare for a debate but I guess leftists thinks it's "cheating" when the other side is doing it.

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. - Sen. Barack Obama will be spending more time in Florida next week, as he sets up his debate camp in a battleground state to prepare for Friday's first presidential debate with Sen. John McCain.

Campaign aides are offering few details, but did confirm Obama will be in the Tampa area as he works to get ready for what is viewed as a critical moment in the fall campaign.

As first reported by the New York Times today, Greg Craig, an Obama adviser and foreign policy specialist, will play the role of Sen. John McCain in mock practice sessions.

Presidential candidates typically set up camp for several days before a debate so that they can practice their lines and participate in mock sessions with advisers.


and this:

thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com
Biden Chooses Debate Prep Partner
By John M. Broder

(Photo: Carlos Osorio Pool Photo, via Reuters)And Starring as Sarah Palin . . .

. . . Will be Jennifer Granholm, the 49-year-old Democratic governor of Michigan, mother of three and former Miss San Carlos, Calif.

The Obama-Biden campaign has selected Ms. Granholm, left, to stand in for Ms. Palin to help prepare Senator Joseph R. Biden for the nationally televised Oct. 2 vice presidential debate in St. Louis.

Ms. Granholm, a Phi Beta Kappa graduate of the University of California, Berkeley, and Harvard Law School, has agreed to devote four days to Mr. Biden's prep work, Biden aides said. Ms. Granholm is particularly well-suited to the task, having herself faced questions of inexperience when she was first elected governor in 2002 against a field of male candidates with many years in public office, including former Michigan Gov. James Blanchard.

firstread.msnbc.msn.com

Per NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli, Obama strategist David Axelrod talked about the upcoming Biden-Palin debate. On the preparations: "You prepare like you would for any debate." Says VP debates are "the most difficult" though because "in a vice-presidential debate you gotta think about your own record, the candidate's record, and your opponent's record This is primarily gonna be a debate about where the principals, the presidential candidates, want to take the country, but there's more to keep track of."

This woman has a book coming out about Obama

COOKFISH

You called me 'uninformed'.

Well, the book is about black politicians. It's not a book about Obama in particular. Seems I'm the one who's informed :-)

Product Description

In THE BREAKTHROUGH, veteran journalist Gwen Ifill surveys the American political landscape, shedding new light on the impact of Barack Obama's stunning presidential campaign and introducing the emerging young African American politicians forging a bold new path to political power.

Ifill argues that the Black political structure formed during the Civil Rights movement is giving way to a generation of men and women who are the direct beneficiaries of the struggles of the 1960s. She offers incisive, detailed profiles of such prominent leaders as Newark Mayor Cory Booker, Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick, and U.S. Congressman Artur Davis of Alabama, and also covers up-and-coming figures from across the nation. Drawing on interviews with power brokers like Senator Obama, former Secretary of State Colin Powell, Vernon Jordan, the Reverend Jesse Jackson, and many others, as well as her own razor-sharp observations and analysis of such issues as generational conflict and the "black enough" conundrum, Ifill shows why this is a pivotal moment in American history.

THE BREAKTHROUGH is a remarkable look at contemporary politics and an essential foundation for understanding the future of American democracy.


www.amazon.com

If that is the case, AU, why is Obama's name in the title?

The public hasn't read it yet, but if you apply the same rules to the book as you would the ingredients on a can of soup, the first name mentioned is the main "ingredient" in the book.

Hey, I wonder if she mentions Hiram Revels, the very first black Senator, a Republican. And how about Edward Brooke? I'll be looking for those names and I question why those names are left off in the list of readers in the product description.

in the list of "leaders" not readers

Now Ifill plays the race card - and

The host of PBS'"Washington Week" and senior correspondent on "The NewsHour" said she did not tell the Commission on Presidential Debates about the book.

Hmmmm.....


"Do you think they made the same assumptions about Lou Cannon (who is white) when he wrote his book about Reagan?" said Ifill, who is black. Asked if there were racial motives at play, she said, "I don't know what it is. I find it curious."

I don't remember Reagan moderating a vice presidential debate, Ms. Ifill.

"I don't remember Reagan moderating a vice presidential debate, Ms. Ifill."

Lou Cannon did, Einstein.

For the vice presidential debate when Reagan was on the ticket?? Link please.

"Link please."

AnAmerican,

My mistake, and my apology. I was wrong.

Thanks, Dan. I appreciate it.

I should have said "I don't remember Cannon moderating a vice presidential debate when Reagen was on the ticket, Ms. Ifill."

If that is the case, AU, why is Obama's name in the title?

ANAMERICAN


Kind of like if someone wrote a book about 'The Reagan Era'. He'd certainly be mentioned. Since the title is "Age of Obama" I'll take the description of the book in the review as literal.

Ultimately this is a non-story. Was there any doubt in the mind of any rational person that a black woman living Washington would vote for anyone besides Barack Obama? What's more, is there any doubt that as soon as Joe Biden opens his piehole to bloviate about every other damn thing except the question asked, he is going to have millions of Americans mashing the MUTE buttons on their remotes?

Palin will win just by showing up. Nobody watches PBS, and nobody will buy Gwen Ifill's silly book. And anyone capable of writing--or even THINKING--this: "A lot of people have never seen anything that looks like a Michelle Obama before. She's educated, she's beautiful, she's tall, she tells you what she thinks and they hope that she can tell a story about Barack Obama and about herself"--

is a douchebag. What--Gwen, do you really think that most of have have never met a tall, good looking, educated woman before? Godalmighty, you're stupid. I'll save myself the $29.95, and the ninety minutes it would take me to wade through similar swill.


Word has it that Gwen stands to make about $350,000 if Obama wins the election and he book sales would be up. Quite a bit of cake for someone to be unprofessional and throw the debate.


Gwen should have disclosed to the Campaign Commission that she had a book in the works about Obama and doing articles on him and his family for Essence, etc.


If she had--McCain camp would have known up front--and the CC --then she could have been passed over for another moderator (or not).


But the disclosure would have been there in the open.

MURPHY

Click the link I posted above to the review at Amazon.com and come back and tell us it's all about Obama.

It's analogous to a book about 'The Reagan Era'

Tom Brokaw wrote, 'The Greatest Generation', who's topics lived in the 'Era of FDR'.

"Gwen should have disclosed to the Campaign Commission that she had a book in the works"

It was public knowledge weeks before the McCain camp agreed to Ifill. Republicans have no one to blame but their fearful leader.

Word has it that Gwen stands to make about $350,000 if Obama wins the election and he book sales would be up.

* * *

Could be. And whaddya wanna bet she hires the best CPA firm she can find, to keep Obama's grubby paws off as much of the money as possible?

"whaddya wanna bet she hires the best CPA firm she can find, to keep Obama's grubby paws off as much of the money as possible?"

What's wrong with that? Paying the lowest legal amount of taxes is, I believe, part of one's civic duty.

Really? But Joe Biden says paying higher taxes is a patriotic duty.

Hmmm. Should I do my civic duty? Or my patriotic one?

""Gwen should have disclosed to the Campaign Commission that she had a book in the works"

What Murphy is engaged is the Bush doctrine: pre-emptive whining.

Tom Brokaw wrote, 'The Greatest Generation', who's topics lived in the 'Era of FDR'.

LOL!

the greatest generation = the selfishish generation

The generation that has given us the problems we now have to face.

I always find it amusing that these neoliberal republican dolts cry about how a democratic president is going to raise taxes so very high.

All the while these idiots probably have only lived in their life time under one democrat president.

In their life time, all the problems of our society and tax spend policies have been from republican presidents but some how they ignore such information.

"Should I do my civic duty? Or my patriotic one?"

Both. The tax code should reflect the bill for what the country spends, and the wealthy who got the bulk of the tax cuts during a time of record deficits should insist rates return to reason. Bush's justification for giving the wealthiest most of the tax cuts was 'they pay the taxes'. Well, that got us massive deficits, including another trillion this year. If 'they pay the taxes', the time has come.

Good. Time for Gwen to pony up, then. She can put her money where her mouth is, and she doesn't need a partner at Deloitte & Touche to do that for her. Ditto for all the other limousine liberals who've complained that their taxes for the past eight years have been unconscionably low.

I'll bet not, though. CPA firms will be busier than ever, figuring out a way around Obama's definition of nouveau riche. For libs and cons alike.

"Really? But Joe Biden says paying higher taxes is a patriotic duty.

Hmmm. Should I do my civic duty? Or my patriotic one?"


Just because you are a typical free-lunch leech who wants something for nothing, i.e. trillion dollar wars AND tax cuts doesn't mean everyone else is a welfare queen like you.

Oh.

Oh.

I can't remember the last time I've had a free lunch. I'm too busy paying for everyone else's. But under the Obama Regime, I suppose I'll finally be paying my fair share, so that the other 95% of American families can finally get the tax cuts I've been stealing from them. Or something.

Then again, maybe I'll just take a whole lot of deferred comp, with a seven-year cliff vesting schedule of company stock. Hmmmmm.

I'll never understand the right wing talking point about 'free lunch'. Welfare as we knew it ended during Bill Clinton's presidency.

I'd bet no bid contracts, corporate welfare, and tax havens have eaten up far more money than any undeserving individuals have in the last decade.

"Then again, maybe I'll just take a whole lot of deferred comp, with a seven-year cliff vesting schedule of company stock. Hmmmmm."

Better yet, since you're clearly unwilling to pay for the government service you need and want, including trillion dollar wars, why don't you just get the fuck out of the country?

If the last two weeks haven't been proof of that what is?

Hey RIR, if you're so oppressed, you can always emigrate.

Oh, believe me, I pay for it. I pay for yours too. Some gratitude would be in order, but you're a liberal. So your sense of entitlement overwhelms.

Hey RIR, if you're so oppressed, you can always emigrate.

#330 | Posted by nullifidian
* * * *

I'm not "oppressed". That is libbie-speak for "give me some free stuff, by raising taxes on those guys over there."

Nope. Life is good here. Quit projecting your miserable life on everyone else.

Some great deals in Panama for you, RIR. Why don't you take your whiney ass down there?

www.movetopanama.com

There you go again. What am I whining about? Hell--if all the liberals who promised to move out of the country if Bush had won reelection actually HAD, there'd be no place to buy overseas. In Panama or anywhere else.

Believe me, if Alec and Leonardo and Babs Streisand suffer living in Bush's America, I'll be okay under Obamania.

Nope. Life is good here.

Hard to tell this through all the bitching.

"Nope. Life is good here."

Never would've guessed it from all the whining you do. "Cry me a river" must be your theme song.

RIR doesn't know a damn thing about obama, and quite frankly surprises me that he would even care to participate in such discussion because he apparently gets what he wants when he wants, just look at his 700 billion bail out now.

Don't fool yourself folks, RIR is part of creating this mess.

RiR

You throw the word 'liberal' around like Rush.

I'm a moderate. For fiscal responsibility, strong military, respect for the Constitution, et al

Tee hee, I beat you to it Nulli.

The word liberal has become nothing but a political bash at anything bad in his eyes that he doesn't like.

The problem is they have misused the word so much that now it is becoming their own demon.

Neoliberal = republican.

RiR

You throw the word 'liberal' around like Rush.

I'm a moderate. For fiscal responsibility, strong military, respect for the Constitution, et al

#338 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY
* * * *

Whoopee. I wasn't talking to you. And considering I haven't heard Rush in about ten years, I'll have to take your word for it.

The word liberal has become nothing but a political bash at anything bad in his eyes that he doesn't like.
* * * *

Nope. That's what "douchebag" is for. Like when I said that Gwen Ifill was one, for that ridiculous quote, above.

And considering I haven't heard Rush in about ten years

Cupping my hands over my mouth.......bull shit!

Don't fool yourself folks, RIR is part of creating this mess.

#337 | Posted by moneywar
* * *

Uh huh. Because a long time ago I championed the Community Reinvestment Act, then instructed Fannie and Freddie to bribe congressmen to allow them to accept structured notes from subprime borrowers. Then I had Bear Stearns and Lehman Bros work with mortgage companies all across the country, giving away hundreds of billions of dollars worth of mortgages to people whose incomes were too low to be buying homes half the size the ones they were moving into. Then I had builders all over South Florida, Las Vegas, Phoenix, and California switch from modestly priced homes to $500,000 McMansions that they could peddle to sanitation workers and office temps making $35,000 a year. Yep. You got me pegged. In fact, I'm surprised I had time for much else, I was so busy creating this mess.

Cupping my hands over my mouth.......bull shit!

#343 | Posted by moneywar
* * *

I have XM. Regular radio is for losers. And as long as CNBC is on XM, there's no need to listen to anything else during the day. Eh?

Besides, who has to listen to him? I can just come on here, and read all you guys, furious at what he said today. Liberal bloggers are his biggest demographic.

It's nice watching RIR go from one extreme to another as if that is normal world.

XM Radio isn't that for Guys with their noses stuck up in the air?? Just curious.

Larry

It does make you wonder, though, just what the hell the so called "Debates Commission" is good for, if they can't even vet the moderators. Godalmighty. She has a book coming out, celebrating the enormous significance of Barack Obama--on Inauguration Day, no less--and nobody on the storied commission thought to make a phone call?

At least there's no pretense of partiality. That's good. That was always the problem with the Dan Rathers and the Tom Brokaws--they tried so hard to conceal their hostility, it made for amusing viewership. With Gwenbama, no need.

Yes larry, it is for the bourgeoisie.

XM Radio isn't that for Guys with their noses stuck up in the air?? Just curious.

Larry

#347 | Posted by LarryMohr
* * *

No--that's Air America Radio.

Easy mistake. I listen to Air America sometimes, it's channel 167. Funnier than the comedy channels, usually. But that's not saying much.

You are the drizzling shits when it comes to politics and being a Republican Conservative RiR but I gotta love You anyways. (Oh don't worry it's not in THAT way trust Me)

Larry

I wish sirius had Air America

Now it's Ifill who will be to blame if Palin does horribly?

I can just hear some, "Joe Biden is too experienced. She didn't stand a chance".

Chances are, though, Palin will remember most of the stuff crammed in her head the last few weeks and it won't make much of a difference one way or the other in forming people's opinions. Most of them have either heard about or watched the CBS News interviews.

AP: PBS' Ifill dismisses questions of partisanship

PBS journalist Gwen Ifill, moderator of the upcoming vice presidential debate, dismissed conservative questions about her impartiality because she is writing a book that includes material on Barack Obama.

Ifill said Wednesday that she hasn't even written her chapter on Obama for the book "The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama," which is to be published by Doubleday on Jan. 20, 2009, the day a new president is inaugurated.

www.msnbc.msn.com

FYI

Ifill moderated the 2004 VP debate.


FYI

Ifill moderated the 2004 VP debate.

Yes, but her book "Why Kerry's Manmeat Makes Me Moist" hadn't yet been picked up by a major publishing house.

and since republicans dont read books, there isnt much of a chance of a conflict on interest for them.

"PBS journalist Gwen Ifill, moderator of the upcoming vice presidential debate, dismissed conservative questions about her impartiality because she is writing a book that includes material on Barack Obama."

Includes material? What's the title again? And what is the scheduled release date again? And she didn't see a need to let the Commission know about it?
Anyone who claims there is no conflict needs to see a shrink.

Either they knew about the book and accepted her
or
they didnt know about the book and accepted her

SOOOOOOO

either they knowingly put a potentially unfair moderator in place (lying now about the outrage)

or

they didnt know about the book (incompetent)

SOOOOO

is it incomptence or lying?

The host of PBS'"Washington Week" and senior correspondent on "The NewsHour" said she did not tell the Commission on Presidential Debates about the book. The commission had no immediate comment when contacted by The Associated Press.

It's tough to claim McCain was incompetent, truth.

The host of PBS'"Washington Week" and senior correspondent on "The NewsHour" said she (Ifill) did not tell the Commission on Presidential Debates about the book.

is it incomptence or lying?

#359 | Posted by truthhurts

That's a great question for Gwen and the Lefty DR Hypocrites.

soooooo the republicans didnt vet the moderators.

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

Brownie youre doing a heck of a job.

intellectual incuriosity will get you stuff like this.

the actuarial risk, based on mortality tables, of Palin becoming president if the Republican ticket wins the election is about 1 in 6 or 7.

" Time for Gwen to pony up, then. She can put her money where her mouth is"

Ah, the idiot response:

If you really believe the race is unfair, prove it by shooting yourself in the foot.


soooooo the republicans didnt vet the moderators.


hahahahahahahahahahahaha


Brownie youre doing a heck of a job.


intellectual incuriosity will get you stuff like this.

#363 | Posted by truthhurts


That's right!

To hell with an honest debate! To hell with an objective, un-biased moderator!

As long as my side gets an advantage, it's all good!


Sincerely,

Truthhurts

Ifill moderated the LAST VP debate. Good lord.

Danforth,


Do you honestly not see the inherent problem with having this woman as the debate moderator?

Thankfully, she's moderating the veep debate in lieu of the POTUS debate.

If she were moderating the latter, she'd look like someone spilled a jug of water on her groin area every time Obama spoke.

"To hell with an honest debate! To hell with an objective, un-biased moderator!"

I know, but the Obama campaign agreed to Tom "I make up facts to support McCain" Brokaw, and Bob "I'm so close to Bush it's hard to report on him" Schieffer.

They'd look like real pussies if they whined about someone they themselves approved at this late hour.

Are you actually suggesting that Brokaw and Scheiffer are in the tank for McCain and are biased against Obama???


BWAHahahahahahahaha

jeff

the republicans approved her.

the republicans agreed to the debate format

the republicans 1 or 2 days before the debate suddenly have a problem with her.

that is bullshit, pure and simple.

They are doing this intentionally to fuck with her, get her off her game.

Is THAT Fair? to tamper with the moderator like that?

we live by rules, the repubs knew the rules,

the info on her book was there to be known so either they didnt do their job and are incompetent or did and are lying fauxoutrage now.

you live by the rules.

the format favors palin, but the dems are not whining about that.


This is simply a ploy to fluster Iffil and to give built in excuses for palin.

I'm sure her book will sell the same number of copies, should the Messiah lose. No conflict here. -The DR Left

"Do you honestly not see the inherent problem with having this woman as the debate moderator?"

No more than Brokaw or Schieffer.

But shouldn't she be judged on her questions after she asks them?

Do you honestly not see the inherent problem with having this woman as the debate moderator?

#368 | Posted by JeffJ at


I see the problem and that problem is the repubs ONCE AGAIN, playing games.

her book is about blacks in politics

here book was common knowledge in July of 2008

PRIOR to the agreement of her as moderator

there were numerous media stories on this fact.

Republicans agreed to her either knowing this fact or not knowing this fact.

Brokaw and Schieffer have similarly obvious yet opposite leanings.

Republicans are whiny bitches.

"No conflict here.
-The DR Left"

It's anyone's fault but McCain's!
-The DR Right

Truth, do you close your eyes, and plug your ears everytime you see or hear:

"The host of PBS'"Washington Week" and senior correspondent on "The NewsHour" said she (Ifill) did not tell the Commission on Presidential Debates about the book."

Actually what I have a problem with is the tampering with and intimidation of the moderator that is going on by the republicans.

If she asks tough questions of Palin she will be decried as a shill for the dems and her carreer will suffer. So she will bend over backward and be less harsh on Palin.

and regardless republicans will use her supposed bias against her.

it is a win-win for the republicans.

and hey lets leave it to 24 hours before the debates to make it an issue so she cant back out as moderator.

Danforth,


It's anyone's fault but McCain's!
-The DR Right


Please reconcile your sarcasm with Wisgod's recurring point:

The host of PBS'"Washington Week" and senior correspondent on "The NewsHour" said she (Ifill) did not tell the Commission on Presidential Debates about the book."


#378 | Posted by wisgod


Let's analyze this with the justice system:


If a judge has a conflict of interest, he is expected to disclose said conflict and recuse himself if necessary.

'Ifill my pussy with Obama's man-meat' never disclosed her obvious conflict.

analyze = analogize

LOL Jeff. She comes out and admits it, but truthhurts keeps arguing it was common knowledge. Who to believe....Gwen or Truthhurts.

Whizzz, do you close your eyes, and plug your ears everytime you see or hear:

it was common knowledge in July 2008, PRIOR to the selection of her as moderator that she was writing this book, including the title.

What does that say about the republican party?


"Please reconcile your sarcasm with Wisgod's recurring point:"

The AP reported on Ifill's book on July 22nd. Even Fox had done a piece on Ifill's book, before the moderators were chosen. The McCain camp seemingly didn't even know this fact yesterday. Isn't that their charge?!?

Your turn. Are you similarly proposing Brokaw and Schieffer step down or be replaced?

TH,

Your whine would have much more clout if she had actually disclosed her book in the vetting process.


Don't sit there and try to tell us that you'd be cool with Hannity, on the eve of publshing a book titled, "Why I'd Like to Smoke McCain's Pole" being a debate moderator - particularly if he didn't disclose the writing of his book.

Ifill's book was mentioned by name in a July 21 Associated Press article by Kinney Littlefield

it was common knowledge in July 2008, PRIOR to the selection of her as moderator that she was writing this book, including the title.


Posted by truthhurts

So explain her statement. She's a liar?

"truthhurts keeps arguing it was common knowledge."

What part of "news story by AP" and "a piece on Fox News" do you not understand? AP knew it. Fox knew it. The McCain camp didn't, and now righties want to blame anyone and everyone but the McCain camp for the fumble.

"explain her statement."

She probably thought Republicans watched Fox News.

Danforth. I guess Gwen didn't know it either then.

jeff

your arguement relies on the basic premise

THAT REPUBLICANS ARE INCOMPETENT!

intellectual incuriosity will result in stuff like this.

of course, since privately (and we all know this), republicans are in a masterbatory frenzy of happiness over this cause it gives you an EXCUSE to rail about over the next month, the whole fauxrage is a smoke screen from that reality.

The AP reported on Ifill's book on July 22nd. Even Fox had done a piece on Ifill's book, before the moderators were chosen. The McCain camp seemingly didn't even know this fact yesterday. Isn't that their charge?!?

Fair enough point.


Are you similarly proposing Brokaw and Schieffer step down or be replaced?

Are you actually peddling the notion that these 2 are in-the-tank for McCain and are biased in favor of Obama?


Lastly, going back to your first point...fine. Blame the Republicans for not properly vetting this woman. It's a fair criticism. Nevertheless, do you NOT see the inherent problem with having her moderate this debate?


"Your whine would have much more clout if she had actually disclosed her book in the vetting process."

And yours would if AP and Fox hadn't already done stories on her book before the moderators were chosen. And since it appeared on Fox, why wouldn't she feel she had "disclosed" it to the Republicans and Democrats aiike?

aiike = alike

The McCain camp didn't,


the McCain camp CLAIM they didnt.

of course they knew, they are loving this controversy.

this is a buit in excuse, REGARDLES of how Palin does tonight, this will be the talking point.

Iffil squawk Squawk, Iffil Squawk Squawk, Age of Obama,squawk, squawk....

I dont know what questions that the vettting committee asked her, nor do you.

I do know that the repubs SHOULD have known and not knowing is like Iraqi WMD or Katrina, or a whole slew of things

INCOMPTENCE due to intellectual incuriosity.

OR

intentional gamesmanship.

I believe that the repubs knew this all along. Why disclose this 24 hours prior to the debate except to smear and intimidate and have an excuse.

oh yes, btw there is another angle you all are ignoring.

Ms. Palin is more than free to not show up for the debate. or even to make a point of this AT the debate.

she wont mind you.

"Are you actually peddling the notion that these 2 are in-the-tank for McCain"

Brokaw was caught using an old, unrepresentative poll in a nod toward McCain:

Brokaw ended the segment by announcing -- "in fairness to everybody here" -- that the "latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll" found that John McCain "continues" to lead Barack Obama on the question of who is "best-equipped to be commander in chief." Yesterday, Nicole Belle at Crooks and Liars pointed out that the numbers Brokaw read did not, in fact, appear in the "latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll." Now MoveOn says they contacted NBC -- and "it turns out Brokaw was referring to a poll taken weeks ago--right after the Republican convention and well before Friday's big national security debate. And in each of NBC's last two polls, Americans chose Obama over McCain."

mediamatters.org

And Schieffer has his own baggage:

mediamatters.org

What say you?

some other salient points

Do you realize that Barack Obama HAS appeared on Fox News, in an interview with Bill O'Reilly and fielded VERY difficult questioning. By contrast, neither John McCain nor Sarah Palin have appeared on Keith Olbermann's show, which would be the equivalent move for them. Perhaps you should take your own advice and seek to be better informed.


Palin cant even handle katie couric

Nevertheless, do you NOT see the inherent problem with having her moderate this debate?



#393 | Posted by JeffJ at 2008-10-02 09:15 AM | Reply


Of course they do.
The confusion they're experiencing comes from the fact that they if they admit it then they are playing in to the McCain Camp's hands (as everyone knows, the McCain camp is lying about just finding this out).
The absolute best thing the Obama Camp could have done was to request Ifill stand down. It would show everyone that they want to be fair, but more importantly they're taking away the Palin crutch, and even more importantly they'd be showing what pussies the Republicans are ("Palin's afraid of Ifill, how will she deal with North Korea or Putin?")

"Nevertheless, do you NOT see the inherent problem with having her moderate this debate?"

No more than Brokaw, who has done something Ifill hasn't: gotten caught making untrue, partisan statements.

I dont know what questions that the vettting committee asked her, nor do you.


We DO know that she didn't discloser her book to them (the vetting commitee), by their own admission.

So, it appears that both parties rely on a 3rd-party to vet the moderators and when that process fails you guys blame it on the party that comes out on the losing end?


Regardless, you guys are so fixated on blaming Republicans that you fail to answer the core question:

Do you NOT see the inherent problem with this woman moderating this debate?


PS - at this point it is too late to replace her - I understand this.

Danforth again dodges a direct question.

Do you believe they are in the tank for McCain was the question.
He didn't ask you to provide media matters links that of course are going to try and paint that picture. If they need to resort to "Brokaw asked that Olbermann and Matthews be removed from News coverage" in order to make their case then you know it's weak at best.

jeff, as in life, there are plenty of problems with any situation.

that is why we have rules

and we are living by those rules.

he we can change the moderator,

but lets also remove the rules that favor palin.

what about the intimidation of the moderator.

what about prejudging her?-will you be here apologizing if she is fair in her moderation?

Danforth,

What say you?

He's a lazy hack who didn't keep up with the polls.


Chunk it up - are you suggesting that Brokaw is biased to the right? He's shown more conservative than liberal leanings over the years?


Chairborne - Well-stated.

"it appears that both parties rely on a 3rd-party to vet the moderators and when that process fails you guys blame it on the party that comes out on the losing end?"

Yes, the Dems deserve the heat for okaying Brokaw and Schieffer. But they'd look like WATBs if they cried about it after giving the approval.

Maybe a day or two before they can "discover" Brokaw's Broken Polls!

wrt to brokaw and schiefer.

the question should not be are they in the tank but

can they be fair to both sides? And did both sides have a fair opportunity to vet the moderators prior to agreeing to their appointment?

that is why we have rules


and we are living by those rules.

Agreed - it is too late to do anything meaningful regarding Ifill as a moderator.


will you be here apologizing if she is fair in her moderation?

Apologizing?

No. It is inherently problematic having her as a moderator, for obvious reasons. That said, I will gladly acknowledge her fairness and preparedness if she performs well in her role.


I thought the first prez debate was well-moderated overall - I like that the candidates were allowed to freely speak, without rigid timetables. That said, it may be more attributable to the agreed-upon format than the moderator. Regardless, I liked that the candidates weren't pigeon-holed with their responses.


point is moot or so one might think


John McCain, though, spoke highly of the reporter in an interview with FOX News Channel. "I think Gwen Ifill is a professional and I think she will do a completely objective job because she is a highly respected professional," he said Wednesday.

"are you suggesting that Brokaw is biased to the right?"

Have you been listening to him? Did you hear him over the conventions? YES.

And his lazy lie, told from the "final point punditry" angle and preceded by "to be fair", should be ample proof.

that must hurt

John McCain, though, spoke highly of the reporter in an interview with FOX News Channel. "I think Gwen Ifill is a professional and I think she will do a completely objective job because she is a highly respected professional," he said Wednesday.

I'd guess if I'd seen the RealClearPolitics polls yesterday and this morning, knew McCain was tanking, and my head was exploding as a result, I'd be fishing for some reason, any reason, that the same woman who moderated the last VP debate in 2004 - who's highly regarded by her peers and has moderated Washington Week in Review for years I'd be grasping at straws too.

BTW, she hasn't even written the ONE chapter that will be about Obama in her upcoming book yet.

Maybe a day or two before they can "discover" Brokaw's Broken Polls!

#407 | Posted by Danforth at 2008-10-02 09:29 AM | Reply


Well seeing as though you've been repeating the shit the left wing sites have fed you about Brokaw and Scheiffer I think it's a little late to be pretending they aren't already crying about it.

I'm sure that fact escapes you.

Yes, the Dems deserve the heat for okaying Brokaw and Schieffer.


So, I take it you are labeling Brokaw and Scheiffer as Conservatives then.

You'd better let them know, as I think they'll be shocked by such a label.

C-SPAN reran several years of debates last night.

The 1984 VP debate between Ferraro and Bush 41 was proof positive that today's debates are loaded with softball questions and questioners.

"If they need to resort to "Brokaw asked that Olbermann and Matthews be removed from News coverage" "

No, they resorted to:

"In fairness to everybody here, I'm just going to end on one note. And that is that we continue to poll on who's best equipped to be Commander in Chief, and John McCain continues to lead in that category despite the criticism from Barack Obama by a factor of 53 to 42 percent in our latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll."

1. Hardly "in fairness".
2. NOT the "latest poll"
3. The poll was taken immediately after the RNC.
4. Two subsequent polls showed Americans favoring Obama.

(BTW, I'm glad Olbermann and Matthews got the boot, and I agree with the reason.)

"I think it's a little late to be pretending they aren't already crying about it."

Bwahahahahahaha!

Heard any calls to dock TB or BS that weren't mockery?

Well seeing as though you've been repeating the shit the left wing sites have fed you about Brokaw and Scheiffer

This very thread is based on a National Review article. I mean, they're so unbiased. (snark)


"are you suggesting that Brokaw is biased to the right?"


Have you been listening to him? Did you hear him over the conventions? YES


Wow!

So, Brokaw is to the right of Stalin therefore he's a "righty"!

According to Danforth, not a member of our federal government resides to the left-of-center. They are all conservatives.


AU,


BTW, she hasn't even written the ONE chapter that will be about Obama in her upcoming book yet.

I am sure her writings of Obama will be very critical and negative. / Sarcasm

John McCain, though, spoke highly of the reporter in an interview with FOX News Channel. "I think Gwen Ifill is a professional and I think she will do a completely objective job because she is a highly respected professional," he said Wednesday.

No, they resorted to:


"In fairness to everybody here, I'm just going to end on one note. And that is that we continue to poll on who's best equipped to be Commander in Chief, and John McCain continues to lead in that category despite the criticism from Barack Obama by a factor of 53 to 42 percent in our latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll."


1. Hardly "in fairness".
2. NOT the "latest poll"
3. The poll was taken immediately after the RNC.
4. Two subsequent polls showed Americans favoring Obama.


(BTW, I'm glad Olbermann and Matthews got the boot, and I agree with the reason.)

#417 | Posted by Danforth at 2008-10-02 09:37 AM | Reply


You must have noticed the hot link where they called Brokaw the liason for the McCain camp, no?
If you click that you'll see exactly what I'm talking about.

Danforth,


(BTW, I'm glad Olbermann and Matthews got the boot, and I agree with the reason.)


Olbermann - yes.


Matthews - I am not so sure.


I feel bad for Matthews on this. Yes, he's biased. However, he tries to keep it in check. He was thrown under the bus on this IMO.


PS - Why do you and I disagree on almost everything? You always manage to take the easily-labelled 'rightie' position ONLY when I break rank.

It's strange.

This very thread is based on a National Review article. I mean, they're so unbiased. (snark)

#419 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-10-02 09:38 AM | Reply


What does that have to do with my post to Danforth stupid?
Nothing? Then why interject with your deflection? Bugger off Grecian Boy.

"the shit the left wing sites have fed you about Brokaw"

Brokaw's own words, 101. Clearly proven false.

This shouldn't happen in America...Ohio maybe, but not America!

"You must have noticed the hot link where they called Brokaw the liason for the McCain camp, no?

I hadn't. Is he?

101

You made a comment about Danforth: "Well seeing as though you've been repeating the shit the left wing sites have fed you about Brokaw and Scheiffer.."

I pointed out this thread is based on an article from a right wing site.

Does the irony elude you oh troubled one?

"So, Brokaw is to the right of Stalin therefore he's a "righty"!"

WTF are you talking about? Who mentioned where on the right he lands? And Stalin?!?


"I think it's a little late to be pretending they aren't already crying about it."


Bwahahahahahaha!


Heard any calls to dock TB or BS that weren't mockery?

#418 | Posted by Danforth at 2008-10-02 09:38 AM | Reply


So Media Matters asking for an "apology" and all of those articles about Brokaw that came out before Malkin's article serve what purpose?

You are so transparently hypocritical it isn't even funny. You've been repeating the Brokaw schtick for 2 days now. You obviously didn't come up with it on your own, and you obviously didn't get it from sites that were pointing it out for a humorous or mocking purpose.

Clearly the lefties were planting the notion that Brokaw is in the tank. Only a fool or a hypocrite would deny it. I'm pretty sure you're not a fool, and we've already agreed you're a hypocrite.

Brokaw's own words, 101. Clearly proven false.

#425 | Posted by Danforth at 2008-10-02 09:42 AM | Reply


Uh huh. Brokaw is the liason to the McCain camp...

I pointed out this thread is based on an article from a right wing site.


Does the irony elude you oh troubled one?

#428 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-10-02 09:45 AM | Reply


You have trouble following a thread don't you dummy?

Danforth pretended as though the left would wait until a day or two before the debate to cry about Brokaw. I pointed out that obviously they won't because they've been doing so for days now. Can your feeble mind understand that gramps? Glad I could help, now take a hike dummy.

TH,

John McCain, though, spoke highly of the reporter in an interview with FOX News Channel. "I think Gwen Ifill is a professional and I think she will do a completely objective job because she is a highly respected professional," he said Wednesday.


Hopefully, she performs well.


She's supposedly trained to be objective. That is the mantra of journalism - objectivity.

Sadly, objectivity has become increasingly rare in this field.

What's funny is that I have an extremely liberal aunt whose life-dream is to be a journalist. *She's a gifted-writer and is VERY strong-willed regarding her liberal beliefs*

In a recent discussion, her comment to me regarding alleged, steadfast objectivity was:

"Bullshit!"

Just about anyone attracted to journalism has strong beliefs regarding the world and politics. To believe that said beliefs can be 100%-shelved and true journalistic objectivity will ensue is a pipe-dream. Going further, her biggest disgust with journalism is her perception that it's become increasingly tainted by bias and group-think. This is a point that she willingly ceded that caught me by surprise, given the ferocious resistance to any mention of a biased media that I get here on the DR.

Sadly, objectivity has become increasingly rare in this field.



i think the concept that journalists were ever objective is kind of quaint and naive. look at the partisan stuff from a 100 or 200 years ago.

it is just a new media, thus seemingly more shocking.

101, Let me spell it out for you. You're rather slow on the uptake:

What does that have to do with my post to Danforth stupid? Nothing? Then why interject with your deflection? Bugger off Grecian Boy.

#424 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Well seeing as though you've been repeating the shit the left wing sites have fed you about Brokaw and Scheiffer

101STCHAIRBORNE

This very thread is based on a National Review article. I mean, they're so unbiased. (snark)

#419 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

DUH. DANFORTH was quoting Brokaw verbatim.

WTF are you talking about? Who mentioned where on the right he lands? And Stalin?!?

#429 | Posted by Danforthy


So, now you've narrowed it down to parsing semantics?


Broadly speaking, are you characterizing Brokaw as right or left of center?


PS - Barack Obamas is NOT center. Not even close.

PPS - I am operating under the assumption that you possess the intellectual-honesty to assume a reasonable reference-point for "center".

think the concept that journalists were ever objective is kind of quaint and naive.


Amen.

I see you need it spelled out for you stupid...Try and follow along.


But they'd look like WATBs if they cried about it after giving the approval.


Maybe a day or two before they can "discover" Brokaw's Broken Polls!

#407 | Posted by Danforth at 2008-10-02 09:29 AM | Reply


Well seeing as though you've been repeating the shit the left wing sites have fed you about Brokaw and Scheiffer I think it's a little late to be pretending they aren't already crying about it.


I'm sure that fact escapes you.

#414 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-10-02 09:33 AM | Reply



Seriously, how fucking slow are you?

I asked you what your deflection had to do with what I was saying to Danforth. Obviously in context it had nothing to do with it. Honestly, STFU about it already. You're wrong once again.

PS - Barack Obamas is NOT center. Not even close.
#436 | Posted by JeffJ

I guess coming from the wacked out right, it might seem that way to you.

According to Obama-lovers:


The ideal, "fair" moderator is a black woman whose idea of heaven is performing a 'Rusty Trombone' on the annointed one.

John McCain is an Obama-lover?

John McCain, though, spoke highly of the reporter in an interview with FOX News Channel. "I think Gwen Ifill is a professional and I think she will do a completely objective job because she is a highly respected professional," he said Wednesday.

HC,


I guess coming from the wacked out right, it might seem that way to you.

#439 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine


OK.

Pick 10 polarizing issues and then record how many of said issues that Obama comes down right-of-center.

And then get back to me.

Pick 10 polarizing issues and then record how many of said issues that Obama comes down right-of-center.


soooooooooo right of center is now the center

thanks

"Wow!


Obama comes down as far-left as possible on 8 1/2 of 10 polarizing issues.

Yet, to suggest that he doesn't define center can only come from being a product of "the wacked out right."


Sincerely,

Hagbard Celine Dion

You see, we invented to Old Boys Club. We all know women can't be trusted to do things correctly. That's why we torpedoed Hillary, and why we hate Palin, and why we barely stomach Pelosi. No woman can effectively hold power.
Signed,
The Left

PS - Unless she is a media shill for electing any black, no matter who it is.

soooooooooo right of center is now the center


Not at all.


I would define a centrist as one who comes down on the right of some polarizing issues and on the left of others.

Severity of support matters too.

For examle:

1. I am pro-choice, albeit barely.

2. I am in favor of gay-marriage, although I am insouciant toward the issue when measured against personal importance toward other issues.


Regardless, it is absurd to try and paint Obama as a Centrist.

Trough,


What I really enjoy is the leftist notion that a Palin victory in November somehow sets the feminist movement back by a measurement of decades.


That's a hoot!

i view a centrist as someone who shares the values of the majority of americans.

What I really enjoy is the leftist notion that a Palin victory in November somehow sets the feminist movement back by a measurement of decades.


That's a hoot!

Posted by JeffJ at 2008-10-02 10:21 AM | Reply


/Because She is anti choice. That is against the feminist belief system.

Larry

i view a centrist as someone who shares the values of the majority of americans.


So, if the 'majority' is pro-abortion at a measure of 52% vs. 47% then THAT is being a Centrist?


You may want to re-consider your math and your premises.

Ooooh, Hagbard Celine Dion....

Did you write that one yourself?

"Pick 10 polarizing issues and then record how many of said issues that Obama comes down right-of-center."

And then get back to me.
#442 | Posted by JeffJ

Nah, but I'll give you a sample:

Gay Marriage - Obama Against

FISA wiretapping - Obama For

Faith Based Initiatives - Obama For

To suggest that Obama is "as far-left as possible" demonstrates two things. One that you don't really know what it means to be on the left and that's because of two, that you really are on the fringe right.

I'd love Obama to be even remotely left on the majority of issues, but he's not, and he's not getting my vote. You'll see when he's president though.


You see, we made up the Old Boys Club. We all know girls or my-no-righties if you get round to it; well can't trust em to do the right thing. But we know you need a few tokens to point too like Powell, Thomas, Rice, Palin and that spic we have as AG. We he hate anyone who is not a old white man. Women should be bare-foot and with child.
Signed,
The Right


PS - Now get me a beer bitch.



(note the limit on multi-syllable words to satisfy the intellectually incurious)

/Because She is anti choice. That is against the feminist belief system.


Over the years I've been lectured that the feminist movement was about, first and foremost, the advancement of women in society. I've been lectured that the feminist movement isn't one of a monolithic belief system.

The fact is, an awful lot of women, almost all of whom would call themselves 'feminist' under the classic definition, are pro-life.

Regardless, the modern feminist movement is a sham. It has NOTHING to do with the advancement of women in society. It's a PC-protected mouth-piece for the leftist agenda - nothing more.

view a centrist as someone who shares the values of the majority of americans.


So, if the 'majority' is pro-abortion at a measure of 52% vs. 47% then THAT is being a Centrist?


You may want to re-consider your math and your premises.



the majority seems to be for safe legal abortions with policies to minimize the need for abortions.

101

Boy (pejoratively), you are a slow witted one. You're proven dead wrong, and your retort is to throw a tantrum as usual.

In all fairness, waking up in Buffalo must be a bitch, or in your case turns you into one.

You still didn't get it even after having it explained to you. Shocking.

Go pet the cat and water the plants you doddering old fool.

Ooooh, Hagbard Celine Dion....


Did you write that one yourself?

It was in response to this:


PS - Barack Obamas is NOT center. Not even close.
#436 | Posted by JeffJ


I guess coming from the wacked out right, it might seem that way to you.

#439 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2008-10-02 10:01 AM


First off, I was trying to be funny with that - it wasn't meant as an insult. However, given how such subtleties are easily lost in a text-environment, I don't begrudge your misunderstanding.

Having said that, my snarkiness, although intended as good-natured, was in response to your calling me a product of the "whacked out right".


Gay Marriage - Obama Against


To what extent? Forgive my ignorance, but it was my understanding that he was at worst, tepid toward this issue.


FISA wiretapping - Obama For


Faith Based Initiatives - Obama For


The rest of my response got fucked-up.
Please be patient while I re-type my response.

"I am in favor of gay-marriage, although I am insouciant toward the issue "

Translation: I already get to sit at the lunch counter.

HC,


Please be patient while I re-type the remainder of my reply.

"Broadly speaking, are you characterizing Brokaw as right or left of center?"

Right-of-center.

Several comments he made during the DNC made me take notice. The bogus "latest poll", made from the Professor Pundit moment "in fairness to everyone" was the capper.

BTW, 101, those are the provably wrong statements of TB's to which I was referring.

Hagbard Dion - :-)


Fuck my long-winded response!


Let's keep it simple:

I emphatically claimed that Obama didn't represent "center" in regards to American politics.


You 're-defined' said statement as a proclamation that Obama was as far-left as possible - which is NOT what I was stating.

Danforth,


Let's be clear:

Are you stating that the overall sum of Brokaw's positions supposedly 'hidden-biases' throughout his career are tainted left?


Is Krugman a "righty" too?


"Are you stating that the overall sum of Brokaw's positions supposedly 'hidden-biases' throughout his career are tainted left?

No...leaning right.

But I don't think that disqualifies him from being a moderator.


"I am in favor of gay-marriage, although I am insouciant toward the issue "


Translation: I already get to sit at the lunch counter.

#458 | Posted by Danforth at 2008-10-02 10:46 AM


No.

It's a matter of being historically literate (I am not suggesting that you aren't)


The lack of gay marriage is NOT synonomous with:

Jim Crow Laws
Segregation
Cross-burnings
Crass depictions of "Sambo"
Etc.


It's a legitimate issue. Having said that, it pales in terms of scope and degree with historical, racial issues.

"The lack of gay marriage is NOT synonomous with:"
"it pales in terms of scope and degree with historical, racial issues."

Not at all. Gays are, under current law, treated as second-class citizens. They have no access to many of the same laws, protections, and privileges my wife and I got the moment we said 'I do'. To anyone who truly believes "all men are created equal", it's unacceptable. The fact it doesn't rise to slavery doesn't make it any less wrong.

John McCain, though, spoke highly of the reporter in an interview with FOX News Channel. "I think Gwen Ifill is a professional and I think she will do a completely objective job because she is a highly respected professional," he said Wednesday.

#441 | Posted by truthhurts at 2008-10-02 10:08


yeah and what was he supposed to say...

that I wont have my running mate in a debate moderating by a black women who is biased and bigoted toward the black man at the head of the ticket even though he would be a european socialist if he wins.

please............he has no choice at this point.
as far as him accepting her as the moderator earlier, this could be a concession to other things that he wanted for this debate.........

but regardless of the outcome or how it works out
this is just another little prick in the argument.
MEDIA IS IN THE BAG FOR OBAMA.............

and with this book, she ceases to be a journalist and becomes a shill.............

TO ALL ....LIBERAL OR CONSERVATIVE...FYI only.


George Bush and the republicans have been in office for 7 1/2 years. The first six the economy was fine.

A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%.
4) the DOW JONES hit a record high--14,000 +
5) American's were buying new cars,taking cruises, vacations overseas, living large!...

But American's wanted 'CHANGE'! So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic Congress and yes--we got 'CHANGE' all right. In the PAST YEAR:

1) Consumer confidence has plummeted ;
2) Gasoline is now over $4 a gallon & climbing!;
3) Unemployment is up to 5.5% (a 10% increase);
4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 TRILLION
DOLLARS and prices still dropping;
5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
6) as I write, THE DOW is probing another low~~
$2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS HAS EVAPORATED FROM THEIR STOCKS, BONDS & MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT
PORTFOLIOS!

As a result of the Democrats blocking the reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the resulting collapse has pushed the lending market to the brink, necessitating a possible 3/4 trillion dollar bailout.


YES, IN 2006 AMERICA VOTED FOR CHANGE...AND WE SURE GOT IT! .....


REMEMBER THE PRESIDENT HAS NO CONTROL OVER ANY OF THESE ISSUES, ONLY CONGRESS.


AND WHAT HAS CONGRESS DONE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.


NOW THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT CLAIMS HE IS GOING TO REALLY GIVE US CHANGE ALONG WITH A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS!!!!


JUST HOW MUCH MORE 'CHANGE' DO YOU THINK YOU CAN STAND?


Meanwhile back in the voting booths in Ohio...............


Early voting is taking place in Ohio. Through the end of the week, people can register and vote on the same day. The Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner argues that they are merely "casting their ballot" rather than "voting" so the fact that Ohio statute requires 30 days between registering and voting would not interfere.

So here is what is happening today. People are showing up to register and vote. There is no affirmative evidence that these people have not registered or voted somewhere else. There is no control. Normally in an election, partisan election monitors are allowed into polling places so that they can police each other. But not in two counties, Franklin and Montgomery, in Ohio. Brunner also issued an advisory opinion to counties saying that they are not required to allow election monitors.

www.thenextright.com

www.herald-dispatch.com

CHARLESTON -- West Virginia Secretary of State Betty Ireland recently issued a release to address concerns about voter fraud in the state.

"My office takes the matter of election fraud very seriously, and every precaution is being taken to make sure no voter is disenfranchised by this activity," Ireland said.

It has been discovered that "several hundred" voter applications have been filed with forged signatures, wrong addresses or changed party affiliation. Ireland's release stated some submitted registration forms contained names and addresses "that have simply been lifted from the phone book."

Ireland said cases of voter registration fraud have cropped up in Kanawha County. The U.S. Attorney's Office of Southern West Virginia, the FBI and the U.S. Postal Service are investigating the issue statewide, along with other agencies.

"WHAT HAS CONGRESS DONE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS"

Put up with the most obstructionist congressional minority in history.

Give me 41 Senators, and I could grind things to a halt, too. You not only won't pass a law, you won't even close a debate.

Gays are, under current law, treated as second-class citizens.

Really? What, they get more speeding tickets? Have to go to the back of the bus? Different water fountains? Different schools?

To anyone who truly believes "all men are created equal",

They are. Apologies to HERM who thinks that only starts when a child hits the open air. All men are also created with free will. Rapists and Child molesters are created equal also - their choices later in life modify this equality.

OMG, an idiot who still conflates gays with sex offenders.

"Really?"

Yes, really. No Social Security survivor's benefits. No unlimited gifts between partners. No guarantee of access to second-to-die pensions. No protections against testimony. No joint custody. The list goes on and on.

Gwen should have told the Campaign Commission--which she didn't and they didn't know either. People blame McCain for not knowing and the Commission folks didn't know either.

So it is what it is.
----------------

So I am going to be the Mom here. :o)


It will all be fine. The folks on the stage including the moderator are all professionals.

The debate will be hopefully insightful for the American people who will be watching. We have very big issues that have to be dealt with. We want to know what these folks think and will do for the country in these heady times.

OK?

-------

Sarah will be personable and Joe will need to stop talking short of gaffing. I anticipate it will be as good a debate as McCain and Obama.

---------

I will only be able to catch the first 30 minutes or so and then I will have to board a dinner cruise to market potential clients to bring in more business. So unless there is a TV on board (doubt it) or someone has internet on a phone gadget, I will have to wait until after the debate to know what happened.

to reinsurelaw,
The change that I am looking for is an end to the Iraq war. The war has effected the economy as much as the housing crisis. Most of the houses have some value which can be recaptured by someone. The 10+ billion dollars a month will never be retrived. Over 5 years we have spent close to bailout dollars (about 700 billion)and have nothing to show for it except failure. We didn't learn anything from the collapse of the Soviet Union when they spent themselves out as a super power. We don't see the big picture we muster up our energy over how someone looks or who moderates a debate.

Failure in Iraq? Oh contraire grasshopper..


AA---

The best news this morning is from Chuck Todd from MSLSD. (You know his wife was involved in the Webb campaign).

The tipping point has been met! And the election is over as Obama has reached 50% in some polls!

More efforts from the MSM on Obama and he has already won the election and we are 30 days away...

We don't need to vote! Whew!

Most of you neocons have no problem with Bob Schieffer, the moderator of the 3rd debate, even though Schieffer is the older brother of Tom Schieffer, a friend and former business partner of President George W. Bush, who was appointed U.S. Ambassador to Australia 2001-2005 by President Bush and as of November, 2005 is currently the U.S. Ambassador to Japan.

Yes, really. No Social Security survivor's benefits. No unlimited gifts between partners. No guarantee of access to second-to-die pensions. No protections against testimony. No joint custody. The list goes on and on.

#472 | Posted by Danforth

Sorry dan, most of the country agrees with me. Until a man can marry a horse and get the same benefits that you want to give to same sex couples, I am against any laws legitimizing behavior against my morality. Yep, mine. Don't like it, talk to the constitution. No mention of same sex marriage there btw. Why do you think?

"We don't need to vote! Whew!
#475 | Posted by MURPHY at 2008-10-02 12:19 PM"

Are you even allowed to vote?

No one takes for granted more false assumptions than Gwen Ifil. She is a real lightweight thinker, recruited from Sesame Street in a bold affirmative action move. The commercialization of PBS by Reagan has reduced standard broadcast TV to just another Corporate puppet.

"She is a real lightweight thinker, recruited from Sesame Street in a bold affirmative action move." We are talking about Palin aren't we?

Put up with the most obstructionist congressional minority in history.


Give me 41 Senators, and I could grind things to a halt, too. You not only won't pass a law, you won't even close a debate.

#470 | Posted by Danforth at 2008-10-02 11:55 AM | Reply


LOOK you people WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO FORGET HISTORY AND HOW THE DEMOCRATIC MINORITY STOPPED THE REPUBLICANS ON ISSUE AFTER ISSUE and many times they did it with the help of.........

JOHN MCCAIN..............stop changing or forgetting history to try and prove a bullshit point

Yes, Doc she and I are both allowed to vote. Unlike your friend, Spuddy Buddy.

"Until a man can marry a horse"

Good God, you're dumb.

"...and get the same benefits that you want to give to same sex couples."

I believe they should get the same rights my wife and I got the moment we said "I do".

"I am against any laws legitimizing behavior against my morality."

What is it about your "morality" which justifies treating someone as a second-class citizen?

"Don't like it, talk to the constitution. No mention of same sex marriage there btw. Why do you think?"

Probably for the same reason there's no mention of heterosexual marriage in the constitution.

"stop changing or forgetting history to try and prove a bullshit point"

Did the Republicans set the all-time record for obstructionism, or did they not?

But thanks for the projection, anyway....

Meanwhile in other news:

In a letter dated June 25, 2008, the FEC asked the Obama campaign to verify a series of $25 donations from a contributor identified as "Will, Good" from Austin, Texas. Mr. Good Will listed his employer as "Loving" and his profession as "You."

A Newsmax analysis of the 1.4 million individual contributions in the latest master file for the Obama campaign discovered 1,000 separate entries for Mr. Good Will, most of them for $25. In total, Mr. Good Will gave $17,375.

Following this and subsequent FEC requests, campaign records show that 330 contributions from Mr. Good Will were credited back to a credit card. But the most recent report, filed on Sept. 20, showed a net cumulative balance of $8,950 still well over the $4,600 limit.

There can be no doubt that the Obama campaign noticed these contributions, since Obama's Sept. 20 report specified that Good Will's cumulative contributions since the beginning of the campaign were $9,375.

In an e-mailed response to a query from Newsmax, Obama campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt pledged that the campaign would return the donations. But given the slowness with which the campaign has responded to earlier FEC queries, there's no guarantee that the money will be returned before the Nov. 4 election.

Similarly, a donor identified as "Pro, Doodad," from "Nando, NY," gave $19,500 in 786 separate donations, most of them for $25. For most of these donations, Mr. Doodad Pro listed his employer as "Loving" and his profession as "You," just as Good Will had done. But in some of them, he didn't even go this far, apparently picking letters at random to fill in the blanks on the credit card donation form. In these cases, he said he was employed by "VCX" and that his profession was "VCVC."

Following FEC requests, the Obama campaign began refunding money to Doodad Pro in February 2008. In all, about $8,425 was charged back to a credit card. But that still left a net total of $11,165 as of Sept. 20, way over the individual limit of $4,600. Here again, LaBolt pledged that the contributions would be returned but gave no date.

In February, after just 93 donations, Doodad Pro had already gone over the $2,300 limit for the primary. He was over the $4,600 limit for the general election one month later. In response to FEC complaints, the Obama campaign began refunding money to Doodad Pro even before he reached these limits. But his credit card was the gift that kept on giving. His most recent un-refunded contributions were on July 7, when he made 14 separate donations, apparently by credit card, of $25 each.

Just as with Mr. Good Will, there can be no doubt that the Obama campaign noticed the contributions, since its Sept. 20 report specified that Doodad's cumulative contributions since the beginning of the campaign were $10,965.

www.newsmax.com

And then there are the overseas donations at least, the ones that we know about.


The FEC has compiled a separate database of potentially questionable overseas donations that contains more than 11,500 contributions totaling $33.8 million. More than 520 listed their "state" as "IR," often an abbreviation for Iran. Another 63 listed it as "UK," the United Kingdom.


More than 1,400 of the overseas entries clearly were U.S. diplomats or military personnel, who gave an APO address overseas. Their total contributions came to just $201,680.


But others came from places as far afield as Abu Dhabi, Addis Ababa, Beijing, Fallujah, Florence, Italy, and a wide selection of towns and cities in France.


Until recently, the Obama Web site allowed a contributor to select the country where he resided from the entire membership of the United Nations, including such friendly places as North Korea and the Islamic Republic of Iran.


Unlike McCain's or Sen. Hillary Clinton's online donation pages, the Obama site did not ask for proof of citizenship until just recently. Clinton's presidential campaign required U.S. citizens living abroad to actually fax a copy of their passport before a donation would be accepted.


With such lax vetting of foreign contributions, the Obama campaign may have indirectly contributed to questionable fundraising by foreigners.


In July and August, the head of the Nigeria's stock market held a series of pro-Obama fundraisers in Lagos, Nigeria's largest city. The events attracted local Nigerian business owners.


At one event, a table for eight at one fundraising dinner went for $16,800. Nigerian press reports claimed sponsors raked in an estimated $900,000.


The sponsors said the fundraisers were held to help Nigerians attend the Democratic convention in Denver. But the Nigerian press expressed skepticism of that claim, and the Nigerian public anti-fraud commission is now investigating the matter.

In July and August, the head of the Nigeria's stock market held a series of pro-Obama fundraisers in Lagos, Nigeria's largest city. The events attracted local Nigerian business owners.

At one event, a table for eight at one fundraising dinner went for $16,800. Nigerian press reports claimed sponsors raked in an estimated $900,000.

The sponsors said the fundraisers were held to help Nigerians attend the Democratic convention in Denver. But the Nigerian press expressed skepticism of that claim, and the Nigerian public anti-fraud commission is now investigating the matter.

~Anna Merkin

Fraud?! In Nigeria?!?!?!?

Say it aint so, Anna!

Quick, somebody alert Ric Romero

Yer not just grasping at straws now, Anna.

Yer grasping at SILLY STRAWS!

Reading yer story there's no there there.

If Obama coulda legitimately recieved money from overseas donations then he woulda quadrupled McLame's contributers easily and Spud woulda been the first in line there.

Is okay though. Spud has found another way to support the man and his plan.

G08ama!

Be Well.

Is okay though. Spud has found another way to support the man and his plan.


G08ama!


Be Well.

#487 | Posted by dethspud

Still don't know why you care. You have enough problems in that little state you call Canada. Just curious, do you blog on a site concerned with Canadian issues? Your so concerned over the US, just wondering if you are as concerned with your home ice? My guess, no.

Here is another impartial media member to host the debate:

detnews.com



The moderator is clearly going to be in favor of Sara Palin, who also happens to be a woman, right Sen McCain?

heh heh.

BTW, she hasn't even written the ONE chapter that will be about Obama in her upcoming book yet.

#413 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-10-02 09:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

Huh. Somehow claiming only one chapter will be about Obama in a book tha thas his name in the title is setting off my bullshit detector. Go figure.

"and with this book, she ceases to be a journalist and becomes a shill"

Is the book available for reading already? Are pre-publishing copies available?

I wonder, if Matt Welch were the moderator in a McCain-Obama debate, would the right side accept him? After all, he did write a book about McCain.

Most of you neocons have no problem with Bob Schieffer, the moderator of the 3rd debate, even though Schieffer is the older brother of Tom Schieffer, a friend and former business partner of President George W. Bush, who was appointed U.S. Ambassador to Australia 2001-2005 by President Bush and as of November, 2005 is currently the U.S. Ambassador to Japan.

Ifill's cousin has jumped in to the fray. She claims black women are insulted by a woman who claims to have it all put together.

Apparently they'd be happy if Palin were a single mom with 5 kids that all have different last names and were being raised by Grandma.

Is it because Ifill is black and Obama is black? Just about all the other scenarios in the past has been white candidate white moderator. Scheiffer is white and is in the tank for McCain. Who's complaining?

I'm sure you have something to back up your Scheiffer claim other than his brother was friends with a guy who isn't named McCain.

Bush=McCain
Bush employs Tom Scheiffer
Tom is Bob's brother
So Bob's in bed with the Mc Cain Crowd. Makes as much sense as Obama's black , Iffil's black. Therefore Palin can't get a fair shake.

... Bob "I'm so close to Bush it's hard to report on him" Schieffer.

Are you thinking of his brother Tom Schieffer? I've never heard anything like that about Bob, my fellow UNT alumnus.

newsbusters.org

This debate is so rigged!

Biden is going to screw up his chances though. I can just see it happening

How many questions from the unbiased moderator will start with "Looky here.."?

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