don't you just hate it when a real despot like this is more factual than your own government?

I wonder. If Ahmadinejad were allowed to vote in the US election, whom he would vote for? According to a poll last week, 80% of Russians would support Obama. I wonder how the radical Islamists would vote?

Hmmmm.

Thank you George W. Bush and the Republican (party of greed)Party. Party before country caused this. There is no way to ever remove the stain on the Republican's souls.

"I wonder how the radical Islamists would vote?"

Because we should---of course---always vote based on their views.

Unless of course they decide wrong...then they should be treated as the worthless opinions they are...right?

Ahmadinejad giving out the facts. the rethugs hate the fact that he is more truthful than their own idols.

don't you just hate it when a real despot like this is more factual than your own government?

#1 | Posted by Lipzoidial

Actually, people like you and Danni are far more destructive to the country than this ding dong. You can look no further than the mirror in the morning to assign blame for the diminishing greatness of the country.

And Danni, 50% of the country is not republican you dimwit - Dems and independants voted for Bush and the congress/senate - your partisan drivel never dries up. Party of Greed? Funny coming from someone of the "me" generation. Obama is as greedy as the rest danni don't fool yourself - er too late.

Because we should---of course---always vote based on their views.

Unless of course they decide wrong...then they should be treated as the worthless opinions they are...right?

#4 | Posted by Danforth
* * * *

Nope. I just find it curious that 80% of the population of our adversary during the cold war, and significant majorities of the radical Islamic population, want Barack Obama to be our president.

Isn't it worth a few moments, to reflect on why that is? The Confederates desperately wanted George McClellan to win the election of 1864. Guess why.

"I wonder how the radical Islamists would vote"

YEAH!

Except Everyone Already Knows a Right Winger always instinctively Votes for its Contemporary Right Winger(s)!

" I just find it curious that 80% of the population of our adversary during the cold war, and significant majorities of the radical Islamic population, want Barack Obama to be our president."

Admit it...if they wanted McCain, you'd slough it off.

Nope. I just find it curious that 80% of the population of our adversary during the cold war, and significant majorities of the radical Islamic population, want Barack Obama to be our president.

YEAH!

So where then is the Study you used to come to this conclusion?

To quote exact percentages and claim "significant majorities" you certainly must be possession of some pretty detailed information.

I would like to see it.

"Nope. I just find it curious that 80% of the population of our adversary during the cold war, and significant majorities of the radical Islamic population, want Barack Obama to be our president."

As opposed to "Bomb bomb bomb let's bomb Iran?"

Gee, why would they prefer Obama???

Duh!

Peace in our time.

Actually, people like you and Danni are far more destructive to the country than this ding dong. You can look no further than the mirror in the morning to assign blame for the diminishing greatness of the country.

#6 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

Well, I guess you may be right. when thought and speech and ideals are controlled by a bunch of silver spoon criminals, voices that oppose those people can be very dangerous.

Just ask the people that lived under hitler and stalin, etc....

Elcidce90 = debating champion of the third grade bible school class, 3 years in a row.

Elcidce90 = debating champion of the third grade bible school class, 3 years in a row.

#13 | Posted by Lipzoidial
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So says the guy who just invoked Godwin's Law.

Well, it would be nice if we didn't put our noses in other country's business and yes, protected our borders.

You know I bet if the "American Empire" collapses it takes Iran and a whole bunch of other folks with it.

It sure won't be a "quiet" collapse...like the USSR.

Well, what happened when Rome ended? What happened was about 1000 years of the so-called "Dark Ages" or Medieval Ages.

Can you imagine if in 2000 years from now people consider English a dead language and many of their technology, legal, etc, words have English roots?

"Well, what happened when Rome ended?"

It did?
Has anyone told the Romans?
I had some great risotto there just a few years ago.

I would imagine that the lives of average Romans is better in today's Italy than it ever was as the center of an empire. As we watch 10 billion a month leave for Iraq we might consider whether empire is good for Americans.

Well, I guess you may be right. when thought and speech and ideals are controlled by a bunch of silver spoon criminals, voices that oppose those people can be very dangerous.

#13 | Posted by Lipzoidial

Says someone from the party of PC controlled speech. Libs are too funny. When are you going to advocate child pornography as free speech Lip?

"Iranian President says american empire near end"

Well, he would know.

So says the guy who just invoked Godwin's Law.

#14 | Posted by rightisright

The law states that in any debate the longer the dabate goes on the greater the chances are that a nazi reference will come up until the probability reaches 1.

So, what if the debate is about naziism? Any discussion related to right wing politics, Bush, cheney, Rove or Elcid is always about nazis or nazi principles (or child pornography in elcids case) so the law does not apply....

Have you heard of the Elcid law? It states that the longer you talk to him, the higher the probability that you will find him unintelligent and with nothing real to add to a debate. this probability starts at 1 and never changes.

"Well, what happened when Rome ended? What happened was about 1000 years of the so-called "Dark Ages" or Medieval Ages."

In Europe. Elsewhere in the world, science, mathematics, and the arts flourished.

As for Ahmadinejad, I wish some of my fellow 'lefties' wouldn't be so quick to say that he's right. I for one don't think we were overstepping our bounds to go into Afghanistan. Iraq, on the other hand....

At any rate, I do see many troubling trends in American society. I love America and don't think I'd want to live anywhere else, but I don't see us really being the "best" at anything any more, except military spending. Just about every list measuring quality of life is topped by some other country. And I honestly don't know much about economics, but what's going on now seems like it could be ba-a-ad.

I don't think we'll disintegrate as a country or anything, but it does seem like perhaps a hard rains a-gonna fall.

Let's hope he's right.

We are a republic, not an empire.

Neither I nor any other American voted to "convert" to an empire.

We need to start taking care of our own needs instead of trying to foist our ideals on the world.

Ahmadinejad should check the weather channel before he flys back to Persia. Some predict it will be very sunny and 10,000 degrees.

Actually, people like you and Danni are far more destructive to the country than this ding dong. You can look no further than the mirror in the morning to assign blame for the diminishing greatness of the country.

yeah! Cuz danni ran up record trillions in debt while wearing a "w" mask.

Idiot. Don't breed, please.

Danni is actually George "W" Bush? Damn. Those libs ARE awfully crafty. And all of those "conservatives" voted for her twice? And watched while she and her ilk ruined the nation in a multitude of ways?

Wow, they must feel stupid. It was the "libs" all along!

"Posted by fwthom "

This is for you, in your yard, three feet from your worthless ass; Nuclear war is planetary suicide.

Zat,

Don't worry Israel will just use small tactical nukes that won't add up to more than a few hundred megatons.

Our treasury is depleted.
We are borrowing money from COMMUNIST China (just in case anyone has forgotten China is still a communist nation).
The financial condition of this country is on the verge of collapse, and we are bailing out the inept, or criminal.

Yet we still send BILLIONS in aid, and we still pay losers in this country to have children they cannot afford?

Marvelous strategy. (sarcastic)

Our new motto ought to be
"United we stand ... around." (and watch our country go to $hit).

There is no American empire.

Anyway, people around the world are wishing for America to be brought down on its knee --- out of hatred and out of jealousy.

When Gustav disturbed the RNC, Michael Moore gushed that God was there to punish the Reps. He spoke too soon and destroyed his credibility. Now only the loons will be influenced after seeing his propaganda movie.

God specializes in death and resurrection. God specializes in the rescue effort. America about to collapse? Ha.....

I HAVE NEVER SEEN THE RIGHTEOUS FORSAKEN, NOR HIS SEED BEGGING BREAD.....

As I've been saying, this nation was dedicated to the Yahweh of Abraham and God will never forsake His heritage. America will overcome this financial Pearl Harbor and proved all its enemies and critics wrong.

In fact, a long season of peace and prosperity is on the way and when the energy solution (non ethanol non fossil) is implemented over time America will ERASE all its debt and then some.

God bless America!

(To all the naysayers and doubters and pessimist... you will be proven wrong.... just you wait...)

"To all the naysayers and doubters and pessimist... you will be proven wrong.... just you wait...)"

There is a magic buzzing bumblebee up in my attic that takes me away to lush lavender scented gardens with rainbow painted gumdrop trees where bubble gum blowing hippos sing kum-ba-ya with the sacred moon pie people. Honestly, what need do I have for your version of paradise?

I can see the future, and you cannot.

"I can see the future, and you cannot"

It's infinitely better to understand the past than to misunderstand the future, Takitez.

radicals?
i don't know
but most of the muslim world
outside of the western countries are against obama

especially pakistan

ask tosser

guess we should send a group "thank you" card to jimmy carter for imadinnywhackjob?

don't you just hate it when a real despot like this is more factual than your own government?

Almost as much as I hate it when people believe the word of a despot. I'd take buffalo bob's word over his, even.

Actually, I guess he is technically correct since there is no US empire, so since it has never started, I guess one could logically argue it is at its end.

The simple fact that most of the world would like to see Obama win is quite telling.

These people in other countries have a vested interest in the success of the United States and the fact that you RIR can't seemed to see this is quite telling.

You try and throw out a pejoritive statement towards other nations wishes never grasping that most of those nations admire the success because it makes those nations better.

the rethugs hate the fact that he is more truthful than their own idols

???

He is more truthful? There is no American empire. Look up the definition of the word, idiot. Here, let me help you.

As usual goat tries and convolute word play without actually addressing the issue but the person.

the U.S. has been acting as an Empire for years now, and asking any prudent person across the world and they would say just that.

Trying to convolute definition is laughable, it is like saying republicans are conservative, lets hold that to the fire.

What is amazing to me is the utter lack of confidence in America coming from both sides of the spectrum. Even if we do have a recession it won't be the first time the US has fallen on hard times. I am way, way too young to remember the depression, but I do know people who were young adults in the 1930s, and it is amazing how many of them have a much brighter outlook on things. My grandmother's family lived on a farm in the middle of no where when it all started. In the early 30s my g. grandfather left for the city to find work. A few years ago a read some of the now ancient letters he used to send home while visiting my grandmother's over the holidays. It is interesting that he did usually he find work it's just that it would be at a wage which was 1/2 or less of what it would have been for the same job only a few years earlier . Things went on this way pretty much until the start of the war.

It took a long time, sure, but I don't think anyone would argue that we didn't overcome the ravages of the depression. If anything we were stronger than we were before. Unless you believe we are headed for even harder times, what would make this any different? (So much for the optimistic American mindset. ) Things will get better, and we will be stronger and wiser than before. So there.

In some ways maybe a few lessons from the school of hard knocks would actually benefit our country as a whole (unfortunately, at the expense of those who are already living it every day). We have had it so good for so long even the slightest hint that things may change causes everyone to run around, arms flailing about, saying the sky is falling. We are spoiled. Our reaction to this situation proves it.

Tell that to a 70 year old woman with $32,000 in her IRA that could go to $19,000 on Friday.

Tell that to a 70 year old woman with $32,000 in her IRA that could go to $19,000 on Friday.

You're right. What was I thinking. We're all going to die. Is that better?

but most of the muslim world
outside of the western countries are against obama

especially pakistan

ask tosser

Somebody wanted to ask me?

Ok... Obama is a worm.

There.

Tosser's comedy minute!

One day a black dude was walking along a lake and he sees this Chinese guy throwing stones across the water making them skip.

Each time the stone skipped across the water is made sounds... CHING.. CHONG... CHIN...!!!

Black dude stops and goes wtf?

CHING.. CHONG... CHIN.... as the Chines guy skips another stone across the water.

"Hey man, watcha doin?" asks the black dude.

"I communicate with ancestor. Old Chinese trick. Skipping stones across water make sound of ancestor name.. Ching Chong Chin".

"Ooo man, I gotta try that!" sez the blac k dude.

So he picks up a stone and skips it across the water...

CHIM... PAN... ZEEE!

"Hey!... must be a mistake"

Tries again...

CHIM.. PAN.. ZEEE!

Black dude loses his temper and picks up a huge rock and throws it in the lake.

BHA-BOON!!!

Realize this.

There is no country on earth that has a black leader and that isn't going toilet.

Your only hope is to go find yourselves some Asian... any Asian.

Only an Asian has the brains and can solve the problems that black and white morons create.

As long as the US doesn't have far more Asians in Govt, you will keep going downhill. LOL

tosser most people from your part of the world drive cabs here. Asians are computer programmers here. even though places that end in stan are part of asia I don't think of you as being asian.

ven though places that end in stan are part of asia I don't think of you as being asian.

That makes you a moron.

Case in point.

tosser maybe so but at least my country doesn't look like the surface of the moon and we don't live in caves.

and we don't live in caves.

We don't live in caves either. We live in the trees.

LOL

There is no country on earth that has a black leader and that isn't going toilet.

~Tosser.

Does that include Pakistan?

Wots that? You say yer brown not black?

Well, good luck with yer KKK membership application then.

Be Well.

/Well and truly gone.

As usual goat tries and convolute word play without actually addressing the issue but the person.

Here, runnysore, let me fix that for you:

As usual I use a word in its literal and proper context and do not assign my own special definition to it. Also, as usual runnysore gets upsest when I do this because he wants things to say and mean what he wants them to, not what they really do.

Runnysore thinks this is poetry where one can make things mean anything they want to.

GDP - per capita (PPP):

$2,600 (2007 est.)

Wow tosser you all are seriously broke.

You say yer brown not black?

"Wheatish"... kind of yellow with a reddish tan.

Wow tosser you all are seriously broke.

Cost of living.. even now.. is very low in Pak and India.

Now American GDP doesn't show the trouble your broke, debt-ridden economy is in, does it?

Tosser I know this is wrong but I used to call into my pizza Joint that was owned by a guy from Pakistan and ask for camel meat on the pizza. He used to get so angry. His son was cool though. I used to smoke weed with him after school.

There is no country on earth that has a black leader and that isn't going toilet.

Though he is no longer president, S Africa did not go down the toilet when Nelson Mandela was in office

Rasta... I know that joke got to you (you have a black name)... I am not the one saying that. It is being repeated be anyone who hears of Saint Obamma. LOL

Tosser as bad as the economy gets I figure I'll still be doing better than 2600 a year. You can probably collect cans and do about that good.

S Africa did not go down the toilet when Nelson Mandela was in office

It made a good start in that direction. These days it has the highest number of violent crimes and rapes in the world.

Now the next president is going to be Zuma. The guy who rapes women and then takes a shower to protect himself from AIDS.

Winnie Mandela is one of the most controversial people of our time. She was married to one of South Africa's most famous equal rights activists, Nelson Mandela. In November of 1997 she was charged with eighteen crimes including murder, kidnapping, and torture. Most of these crimes were committed in the 1980's and she was finally brought to trial in November of 1997

I'll still be doing better than 2600 a year

A GDP of $2600 per capita is pretty good for a country in our class.

India has a per capita income of $2700.

It is normal.

I don't think you are able to understand the concept of purchasing power?

China, btw, has a per capita income of $5300. LOL

Yes of course I understand purchasing power but a good computer is half a years salary in India compared to a weeks salary here.

Some things are cheaper there but not everything.

See.. black people don't come to power alone. They bring all their "issues" with them.

The most innocent of things becomes a black-issue.

Want to deal with that? Go right ahead. LOL

a good computer is half a years salary in India

And yet, India (and Pak) is floating in computers. There are more computers in India and Pak than in most places (except US or China or Europe). They seem to be everywhere.

See? Until you learn to interpret data properly, you will keep looking silly.

The most innocent of things becomes a black-issue.

No doubt. They already have. If you oppose obama for any reason, some think you are a racist. I don't think I can deal with four years of that kind of mentality in this country.

except US or China or Europe

why don't you just say the industrialized world. people live in shacks in your country

Democrats won control of congress in 2006 claiming they would end the war and restore fiscal responsibility to the budget.

DOn't forget Nancy's promise to bring gas prices down. They have risen $2/gal since that well publicized promise.

I interpret data just fine tosser. Your standard of living sucks in Pakistan.

It is you who needs to reassess your living situation.

You may want to think about doing something intelligent and MOVE

I am already doing something intelligent by NOT MOVING.

Meanwhile go get yourself another sub-prime mortgage or whatever the hell it is called.... hahahahahaa

I interpret data just fine tosser.

No, I don't think so.

Your standard of living sucks in Pakistan.

You might think so, of course. But since I don't survive on credit card debt and mortgages, whatever we have is for real at least. LOL

It is you who needs to reassess your living situation.

I did. And I think God, I don't have a mortgage and no bank or loan-shark breathing down my neck.

You might think so, of course. But since I don't survive on credit card debt and mortgages, whatever we have is for real at least.

Not all Americans do. I don't, for example. I do have a mortgage, but it is only $225/mo because I put 80% down on the house when I bought it. I have only 5 years to go on it. Not everyone over here is one of those subprime idiots.

What about that sbuhuman Larry King rimjobbing Ahmuaduhmass?

What a disgusting piece of trash Larry King is.....

Do you think people live like this www.tropicalisland.de here???

Yes. I have seen plenty of pictures of American inner-city slums (Obama-land). Those are worse.

This pic was of India. But let me assure, however bad it might look, they own those old houses and they have almost zero crime when compared with American inner-cities.

India and Pak and China have more than 2 billion people. You can find all kinds of living conditions and people.

Pictures of Pak.

I wouldn't blow my nose on Kings head if his hair was on fire.

Not all Americans do. I don't, for example.

You also have a great fun job. (yes I saw the pics)

Everyone can't work on an off-shore platform.

Not everyone over here is one of those subprime idiots.

There are enough of them to put the American economy in jeopardy.

Tosser you can keep your country. poor in america means not having an x-box or having to take the bus. Poor in Pak means living in a mud hut with no utilities.

poor in america means not having an x-box

See? We don't waste money on X-boxes. Why would we?

We are not spoiled.

Poor in Pak means living in a mud hut with no utilities.

Yes, of course... everyone who doesn't live in USA, HAS TO live in a mud hut.

For every pic of some temporary farmer's market (juma bazaar) you can show me, we can see a thousand of the "real" Pakistan. LOL

Go ahead and Google, little fella.

Now where were we?

Yes... is Obama going to be a disaster?

Oh yes?

Are McCain and MILF going to be a disaster?

Maybe.

In the end, get Ahmed-Nijad to run America. He will do a better job. LOL

Iranians don't believe in usury and sub-prime mortgages and living in high debt. It is considered un-islamic. LOL

Rasta -- I have ragged Tosser about Pakistan, too, and I know that you are right that America is a better place to live, but in fairness I have to say you are wrong about the all the mud hut things. I've been there twice (tosser doesn't believe this though, but that's irrelevant) and at last the places I've seen weren't that bad. I'm sure there are slums that rival Dante's 7th circle of hell, but the entire country is not like that.

In fact, in a perfect world, countries should be allowed to switch leaders for 5 years... like a leadership-exchange program. French govt. runs America and America runs France for 5 years, for example.

Who will take War-Chimp???

Who will take Obama? LOL

I've been there twice (tosser doesn't believe this though

I believe you.

I will believe you even more if you send me a single pic.

and at last the places I've seen weren't that bad.

Thank you for the comment Goatee.

You were here a long time ago. It has changed since. For the better? That is a matter of opinion.

The nature-boy in me would like more green areas not more fly-overs.

Who will take War-Chimp??? Who will take Obama?

I will take MILF though. She's cute.

I will believe you even more if you send me a single pic.

Belief is a binary thing -- you either do or you don't. And I don't really care if you do or don't.

But as far as pictures, I could glean one off of the internet and say I took it, so what's the point? Google 'Pakistan westpac' and you will get more pictures taken by sailors of the American 7th fleet the last 50 years than you can shake your dick at. I could copy one of those and send it, so what would a picture prove anyway?

Hell, one of my photos may already be there. I've already found two of mine that found their way to the web and I have no idea how

Good example of my claim above. I took the bottom picture on this web page:

I am not asking for proof, Goatee.

I asked for the sake of curiosity.

I am interested in how Karachi changes over the years. Yes, I can get plenty of pics on the net, but no harm in asking for more.

Yes, you showed that one some time ago.

remind me later. I am on the rig now, and I am making a trip to Canada when I leave Friday. But when I return, if I can conveniently find some, I'll scan and forward.

I confess that for the thousands of pictures I have I am not very organized and they are not catalogued, but with a little luck, a couple will surface.

Just tell me this... did you go to a place called "Beach Luxury Hotel"? Does that name sound familiar?

This is not a trick question. The hotel survives in fine shape today.

I am still obsessed with where you had vindaloo (something I have never had). Beach Luxury Hotel was one possibility back then, I was told.

But when I return, if I can conveniently find some, I'll scan and forward.

Thanks.

Yes, you showed that one some time ago.

LOL Old man syndrome. I'm probably starting to tell the same stories to my son and daughter in law over and over, but they're too polite to tell me, just as I was to my grandparents.

but they're too polite to tell me, just as I was to my grandparents.

Ouch!

Sorry.

did you go to a place called "Beach Luxury Hotel"? Does that name sound familiar?

That name does not ring a bell. It was unlikely I went there. The only reason I would have gone to a motel is if I had a hooker. I did not get laid in Pakistan. The hookers, if there were any, were not as obvious as they are in other ports. Probably a Moslem thing, I imagine.

Sorry

It was a joke. I hope so anyway. lol

I've got some work to do before I get off at 6:00. Later, Tosser et al.

The only reason I would have gone to a motel is if I had a hooker.

It's a restaurant for God's sake...

In Pakistani english (in Urdu actually), a "hotel" can also mean "eating place".

The hookers, if there were any, were not as obvious as they are in other ports.

These days you can find a few at the ATMs. I don't know why.

Maybe I was there, then, because I always made a habit to eat the local food where ever I went when in port. I did this quite a bit. But still, the name does not ring a bell.

Really last one, now. Hard hat, safety glasses, and steel toed boots have been donned.

"Really last one, now. Hard hat, safety glasses, and steel toed boots have been donned."

Time for some serious sex.
Yup.
~Hombre de la Cabra

Clever.

BTW, If you choose that form of translation, it would be hombre del cabron, but what we call goatman, the Mexicans call the infamous chupacabra

Spanish and Latin aren't your strong suits?

"hombre del cabron"

If you want to be called "cabron", that's up to you. Where I come from, it's an insult.

"Spanish and Latin aren't your strong suits?"

Better at both than you are at logic, Cabron.

"cabron" LOL!

Yes, I know it also means bastard or something similiar, but it also means billy goat

"Cabron"--Come on, you have to give Goatman credit--for once it seems, he knows what he's talking about.

Reminds me of "bato" which is "duck".

In other spanish speaking areas though...it's slang for "faggot".

gotta be careful if you're a first year spanish student. lol

Or if you are a ESL student in Europe. You don't want to ask for a fag in this country

Or if you are a ESL student in Europe. You don't want to ask for a fag in this country

Posted by goatman at 2008-09-25 06:09 AM | Reply

Not in most areas, no. hehehe.

Meanwhile, new President of Pakistan (drug addict with dementia) met Palin and got a hard-on. I must admit your MILF is nice to see.

Palin gets cozy with Pakistan's president

Sarah Palin, John McCain's running mate, has been getting a crash course in diplomacy and international affairs this week, meeting her first foreign heads of state courtesy of the U.N. General Assembly's annual gathering of international bigwigs.

Most of the meetings have gone off without a hitch, a lightning round of sessions in which curious world leaders finally get a gander at a potential vice president who has rarely traveled abroad and who has claimed that her foreign policy credentials include living in a state that is close to Russia.

On Wednesday, however, officials traveling with Pakistan's new president, Asif Ali Zardari, got up close and personal.

Shortly before Palin met the Pakistani leader at the InterContinental Hotel, aides for the two squabbled about whether they should sit behind a low coffee table. Zardari's aides wanted a table, Palin's staff did not. Ultimately the table was taken away. Score one for the Americans.

Entering the room, Palin was introduced not only to Zardari but to Makhdoom Shah Mahmood Quershi, Pakistan's foreign minister, and Sherry Rehman, the information minister.

"So nice to meet you," Palin said politely.

"Busy on the campaign trail?" Rehman asked.

"Yes, yes," Palin replied.

"How does one keep looking that good?" She (Rehman) inquired.

"Oh, oh, thank you," the governor responded.

At that point, Zardari entered and the conversation turned decidedly flirtatious. He told her she was "even more gorgeous" than he thought.

"You are so nice," Palin said. "Thank you."

Zardari pressed on: "Now I know why the whole of America is crazy about you."

At that point a Zardari handler asked them to shake hands again for the cameras.

"I'm supposed to pose again," Palin said.

"If he's insisting," Zardari said, "I might hug."

Eventually, real business got underway.

Palin, who has yet to hold a news conference since McCain plucked her from relative obscurity on Aug. 29, even answered a reporter's question as to how she enjoyed her meetings.

"It's going great," she said. "The meetings are very informative and helpful. A lot of good people share an appreciation for America."

"See.. black people don't come to power alone. They bring all their "issues" with them.

The most innocent of things becomes a black-issue."

#68 | Posted by Tosser

Obama does not spring from nor is an example of the wounded African-American culture of the US. Neither he, nor his wife, bear any resemblance to the militaristic thugs in power across Africa. Both are highly educated, intelligent people who, for the most part, have not made race an issue during the presidential campaign. It is people of your ilk that choose to make race the issue.

Obama does not spring from nor is an example of the wounded African-American culture of the US.

His wife is. Seems like an angry person.

His preacher is. "God damn America".

You can't take one black person alone. The whole wounded, angry, circus travels with him.

Both are highly educated, intelligent people who

Obama seems to have lost his thesis just like the dog once ate my homework. So we can't quite tell how brilliant this man is. Just opening his mouth to pretend scholarship will only get you so far. Having a biography ghost-written will only take you so far.

just like Martin Luther King was a fake (his thesis was plagiarized from elsewhere).

#115 | Posted by Tosser

Wow... you're lucky you're saying that from the other side of the planet tosser.

I thought you were just bigoted against white americans. I didn't realize you had it out for the whole lot of us.

"I thought you were just bigoted against white americans. I didn't realize you had it out for the whole lot of us."

You have to take him with a grain of salt. He's the guy who insisted Mushie was staying in power because he never heard of the people who were demanding he resign. He was making these statements the day before Mushie resigned. You can't take someone who offers their ignorance as proof of something seriously. And you can't expect someone who has no idea what is going on under his nose to have an accurate idea of events occuring thousands of miles away.

Obama, Rice, and Powell are not stupid. All three are of extraordinary intelligence. Stupid people generally do not rise to the positions of power that they have achieved.

(Of course, there is always that exception to the rule...)

Intelligence can employed for Good or Evil.

The only one of the three I mention who I might have considered voting for if running would be Powell. Yes, Powell deceived, but I believe that he was instructed to deceive. Note that he pretty much fell from grace after that.

He's the guy who insisted Mushie was staying in power

He should have stayed. Yet he surprised everyone (including myself) and said "fuck you all, I'm done." and just left.

He was making these statements the day before Mushie resigned.

People were making these statements 5 minuted before he said "I'm done." LOL

And you can't expect someone who has no idea what is going on under his nose to have an accurate idea of events occuring thousands of miles away.

Mushi was hard to figure out.

You people, however, are damn easy.

you're lucky you're saying that from the other side of the planet tosser.

Yes.. aren't I?

I didn't realize you had it out for the whole lot of us.

Kind of slow today are we?

You people, however, are damn easy.

tossoffer, enlighten us with what you think you know about us.

Google for it. Martin Luther King's thesis was plagiarized. LOL

"You people, however, are damn easy."

If the US economy collapses, you won't see many Americans moving to Pakistan - even the ones originally from Pakistan. They'll still be better off here. That's how bad you guys suck. I realize your attitude is just a defense mechanism but to pretend that people in your neck of the woods are brighter than Americans is just silly. The reality of our circumstances proves you wrong.

people in your neck of the woods are brighter than Americans

I am pretty sure we are generally brighter.

Pakistan was born in 1947. Give us time to be as old as you, then we shall compare. LOL

f the US economy collapses, you won't see many Americans moving to Pakistan

Thats why you are dumb.

Pakistani-Americans might move to Pakistan. Many have.

"Pakistan was born in 1947. Give us time to be as old as you, then we shall compare. LOL"

Give me a break. There have been people living there for centuries and centuries. They just had to be dragged out of the dark ages kicking and screaming by the Brits. And your superior Pakistani mind should tell you that it isn't possible to catch up to someone else in age as they age at the same rate you do.

And your superior Pakistani mind should tell you that it isn't possible to catch up to someone else in age as they age at the same rate you do.

When we... as a country (under the British, United-India had everything stolen from it and had zero control)... are over 200 years old... when we have stolen as much oil and killed as many people as you have to get to where you are... when we lie and cheat to attack countries like Iraq to steal their resources.... then compare us.

As countries, India and Pakistan are babies. And yet, we already have the equal of your weapons. Maybe not as much, but we got it. So there are standards we can compare. LOL

Now that we are militarily strong and getting stronger, the economy will also take care of itself.

You should learn a little patience. After all it is your impatience that caused your economic troubles.. living beyond your means for so long. LOL

They just had to be dragged out of the dark ages kicking and screaming by the Brits.

If you look up the history of the British Raj, you might see how ignorant you just proved yourself.

Then again, you might not. You are American after all... the finer points of history are not your department.

Point is... countries like China are sending men into space while you make shuttles that kill astronauts.

The world moves on... you are not only staying the same, you are now going in reverse.

Enjoy the ride.

Ahmed-Nijad is right. You couldn't even stop Iran. You can only bitch about it.

As countries, India and Pakistan are babies. And yet, we already have the equal of your weapons.

Sure.

Angry resentful bloggers isn't a "weapon".

Angry resentful bloggers isn't a "weapon".

Try and keep up, you silly goose.

We were discussing county to country rhetoric.

But I am surprised you associated me in your mind with a weapon....hahahahaha... good one!

But I am surprised you associated me in your mind with a weapon

perhaps a really nasty fart.

perhaps a really nasty fart.

I bet it went up your nose and lingered? LOL

I bet it went up your nose and lingered? LOL

Posted by Tosser

Thank goodness Pakistan is far enough away not to smell it.

"I bet it went up your nose"

Thank goodness Pakistan is far enough away not to smell it.

So you don't like the smell of curry?

Weak tummy?

"Me likes. Thanks."

Posted by Tosser

Sure thing. And I like curry just fine.

"As countries, India and Pakistan are babies. And yet, we already have the equal of your weapons. Maybe not as much, but we got it. So there are standards we can compare."

#126 | Posted by Tosser

The equal?????

India:

"Though India has not made any official statements about the size of it nuclear arsenal, the NRDC estimates that India has a stockpile of approximately 30-35 nuclear warheads and claims that India is producing additional nuclear materials. Joseph Cirincione at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace (3) estimates that India has produced enough weapons-grade plutonium for 50-90 nuclear weapons and a smaller but unknown quantity of weapons-grade uranium. Weapons-grade plutonium production takes place at the Bhabha Atomic Research Center, which is home to the Cirus reactor acquired from Canada, to the indigenous Dhruva reactor, and to a plutonium separation facility.

According to a Jan. 2001 Department of Defense report, "India probably has a small stockpile of nuclear weapon components and could assemble and deploy a few nuclear weapons within a few days to a week." A 2001 RAND study by Ashley Tellis asserts that India does not have or seek to deploy a ready nuclear arsenal.

Pakistan:

"The Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) estimates that Pakistan has built 24-48 HEU-based nuclear warheads, and Carnegie reports that they have produced 585-800 kg of HEU, enough for 30-55 weapons. Pakistan's nuclear warheads are based on an implosion design that uses a solid core of highly enriched uranium and requires an estimated 15-20 kg of material per warhead. According to Carnegie, Pakistan has also produced a small but unknown quantity of weapons grade plutonium, which is sufficient for an estimated 3-5 nuclear weapons.

Pakistani authorities claim that their nuclear weapons are not assembled. They maintain that the fissile cores are stored separately from the non-nuclear explosives packages, and that the warheads are stored separately from the delivery systems. In a 2001 report, the Defense Department contends that "Islamabad's nuclear weapons are probably stored in component form" and that "Pakistan probably could assemble the weapons fairly quickly." However, no one has been able to ascertain the validity of Pakistan's assurances about their nuclear weapons security."

Source:

"equal"

Pakistan: 10

US: 10,000 and an airmail delivery system.

Nice try.

Make that 12,000.

Pakistan can't kill every living thing on Earth.
Only Russia and the US can do that.

The freaking Russkies have about 22,500 warheads.

There is enough info about Pakistan's nuclear weapons out there... most of it speculation... and your info is 10 years old.

And you completely missed the point. LOL. The point was (this is like explaining to a child) that we ... a nation of hillbilly farmers... already has nukes and we are only 60 years old. When we are 200.... what then???

a single US boomer could transform both India and Pakistan into a vast plain of Trinitite.

Sure. But will you survive?

You really believe we can't target you?

Pakistan: 10

Around 200 actually. This is the latest speculation. It isn't less than that, we are reasonably certain.

And we have an airmail. And it can reach you. It isn't assembled (and never will be hopefully) because we are not targeting you.

Pakistan can't kill every living thing on Earth.
Only Russia and the US can do that.

If Pak and India go kaboom, temp on planet will drop by at least 20 degrees C.

Hello global warming... or is it winter... some bad shit anyway.

Pakistan can't kill every living thing on Earth.

Ans we would want to kill everything on Earth.. WHY?

Americans have wet dreams like that. We don't.

By saying equal, I meant we have the secrets of the atom, which a people like us normally shouldn't have at this stage of our development. This only shows we are not quite normal.

"Around 200 actually."

[citation needed]

Nuclear Winter is nothing compared to utter obliteration. Think more than 30,000.

The human race really needs to get rid of the damn things.

-a nation of hillbilly farmers

More like a nation of 7-11 attendants.

This poster is likely Lee Atwater, posting from his local Quickie Mart.

"I meant we have the secrets of the atom"

So does every physics student.

Building a functional bomb is quite another thing.

Of course if it weren't for all the expatriate Europeans who left the Nazis, well, ....

Now, about that curry ....

"some bad shit anyway."

Posted by Tosser

Good shit is better.

[citation needed]

None available off hand.

But AQ-Khan did brag, we can hit each Indian target of any significance 3 times. That means at least 150 nukes.

And he said it 10 years ago.

And then Mushi said, "we are making more than we will ever need".

It will never be revealed on a webpage if that is what you want.

Look up Khushab 2 and Khushab 3. I am sure you, at least, will get it.

So you don't like the smell of curry?

Weak tummy?

no, curry is fine. the overwhelming stench of BO is what I don't care for.

Building a functional bomb is quite another thing.

It takes around 27 different technologies to master and a massive infrastructure to come up with the fissile material. You can't make one in your basement.

Yes, one guy did that. But it was only on paper.

the overwhelming stench of BO is what I don't care for.

Pakistanis don't have BO. You do. (a mix of beer and urinals)

Nice try.

Pakistanis don't have BO

"Everyone likes their own brand, don't they?"
---Fat Bastard

"You can't make one in your basement."

I don't have a basement.
But my buddies in New Mexico have made a bunch.
The neo-cons want to make more.
Crazy.

There was once a study made on how many nukes would it take to destroy the US as an industrial power, forever.

The method used to get the answer was called a "Delphi analysis". And the answer was classified.

But it was made public many years later when it became clear everyone else had figured it out too.

Answer is, it takes around 400-450 small nukes to do it.

It is no accident that all nuclear powers try and have at least 400 nukes or around that number. Only Russia and US have thousands.

"Only Russia and US have thousands."

Overkill.
Brilliant idea.

Here ya go Toaster ...

Also, a nuke... any nuke... specially a boosted weapon (like Pakistan's)... will run out in what? 8 to 10 years?

You then have to have more fissile material to replace it.

Keeping thousands of nukes maintained is a heavy burden and something I fail to understand.

From the JASON study ...

"The use of TNW [tactical nuclear weapons] in Southeast Asia would be highly damaging to the U.S. whether or not the use remains unilateral."

There is no way to use nukes in any number without also being the victim. Nukes are nuts.

The other declassified JASON studies ...

Fascinating. Thanks.

"will run out in what? 8 to 10 years?"

# Reliable Replacement Warhead Executive Summary, JSR-07-336E, September 7, 2007

NNSA asked JASON to conduct a technical review of the Reliable Replacement Warhead (RRW), with a focus on the LLNL/Sandia design.

# Pit Lifetime, JSR-06-3335, January 11, 2007

JASON reviewed the nearly-completed assessment of primary-stage "pit" lifetimes due to plutonium aging for nuclear weapon systems in the enduring U.S. stockpile.

Nukes are nuts.

I agree. They are an unislamic weapon (it kills non-combatants... not allowed).

But when one side got it in 1974, the other side had to get it too (first Pak nuke test in 1983).

"Overkill.
Brilliant idea."

Yeah, but the one who bounces the rumble higher wins!

I WIN!

Fascinating. Thanks.

Posted by Tosser

A good read

"Point is... countries like China are sending men into space while you make shuttles that kill astronauts."

LOL. They are only 50 years behind the curve on that one. And to pretend the Chinese care about idividual safety is just stupid.

"The world moves on... you are not only staying the same, you are now going in reverse.

Enjoy the ride."

Says the fool typing on his home PC and sending out messages over the internet. Who conceived such technology? Not some Asian shithole. Asians can't do anything but copy us. No originality. If the US weren't leading the way, you'd have nowhere to go.

From what I understood, that PDF is talking of the life of the a-bomb component that triggers an H-bomb?

You have this info on the internet???

ARE YOU PEOPLE NUTS???

And to pretend the Chinese care about idividual safety is just stupid.

They care more about their astronauts than you do about yours.

Says the fool typing on his home PC and sending out messages over the internet.

Using the internet makes one a fool? LOL

Well, I guess in your world...

Who conceived such technology? Not some Asian shithole.

The web.. which we use now... was created in CERN. Not American either.

Ok ok... the internet is an American idea... but then I am using it now.

Thank you. LOL

Asians can't do anything but copy us.

Why re-invent the wheel? That would be kind of silly, no?

If the US weren't leading the way, you'd have nowhere to go.

We might mooch from Russia (and have... in a big way)... we might copy from Europe...

Don't forget, American science is only there because of WW2 when Europe gave it's scientific brains to America. Those people.. Fermi, Szilard, Von Neuman, etc. made sure the next generation of scientists were produced in the US.

But historically, it was always Europe that was the scientific leader. And now it looks like becoming the leader again.

Think before you type your nonsense here. I can refute most of your crap.

THAT DOES IT!!

WE MUST NOW INVADE!!

WE CAN'T LET ANYONE SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT US!!

-Jowels McCain and his lipstick wearing pet pitbull.

didn't this joker show up leading the hostage
kidnapping? talk about interference.

I wonder. If Ahmadinejad were allowed to vote in the US election, whom he would vote for? According to a poll last week, 80% of Russians would support Obama. I wonder how the radical Islamists would vote?

Hmmmm.

#2 | Posted by rightisright

Thank you George W. Bush and the Republican (party of greed)Party. Party before country caused this. There is no way to ever remove the stain on the Republican's souls.

#3 | Posted by danni

Danni, you pretty much represent the Left and RightIsRight, You represent the Right.

And, you both JUST DON'T GET IT!

Danni, Bush had nothing to do with the coming collaspe of the American Empire. All he did was to prop it up for a few more years, but it's coming down anyway.

RightIsRight, We started the war with these "radical Islamists". They exist ONLY to try and bring down the Empire. Wake up!!!

I am ashamed to see America torn between 2 seemingly opposite candidates, but they both share the same ideas! They both deny America is an Empire and neither have a plan to bring it down gracefully before Iran/Russia/China/Europe shuts it down for us!

"You really believe we can't target you?"

#143 | Posted by Tosser

Please provide verifiable information that the Pakis indeed have global nuclear strike capability, other than trying to sneak it in on a freighter or across one of the borders. Otherwise, long-range strike systems are not in the inventories of either nation.

Perhaps you didn't fully read or comprehend the assessments from the FAS site. These assessments are also corroborated from other sources in terms of strike capabilities of other nuke capable nations.

Perhaps in time, but not today.

"Sure. But will you survive?"

Well, yeah. It's that hemisphere thing, y'a know.

no body is gonna nuke nobody. it's bad for business. one commonality between different races and cultures is that they all have greed.

The sad truth is
He is right!

Please provide verifiable information that the Pakis indeed have global nuclear strike capability

We don't. But we do have the technology in reserve.

The engine for the Ghauri-3 was successfully tested 10 years ago, but never deployed, for example.

It is a political decision... and a good one... that Pakistan will not piss in all directions. Only in India's direction.

Even today, we have very important friends in high places in the US. If we ever target the US, we are going to lose them all.

Plus there is (and this is somewhere on the net) that we have around 36 nukes under the ocean at any time. Nuclear cruise missiles, Baber-2, can be submarine fired.

Perhaps you didn't fully read or comprehend the assessments from the FAS site.

Perhaps you are not aware, people don't refer to FAS any more. Their material doesn't update for years. But then, I can't blame them... these things aren't supposed to be public knowledge. One can only make good guesses by putting together hints from many sources.

Btw, look up India's polar launch vehicle.

When you can launch satellites in polar orbit, you can toss a nuke on any target. The only problem is Indian missiles tend to go off-course during re-entry. But they will fix that too.

If you are interested in Pakistan's nukes or any other capabilities, don't bug me about it.

Go here instead:

TOSSER

Where is the majority opinion in Pakistan about the new government?

Where is the majority opinion in Pakistan about the new government?

That Zardari is a spineless cocksucker.

And that the Prime Minister is an over-dressed gigolo. (look at him!)

And that the info minister, Sherry Rehman.. she's a whore...

etc etc.

When you can launch satellites in polar orbit, you can toss a nuke on any target.

That is true. Polar orbits are difficult to obtain

"Think before you type your nonsense here. I can refute most of your crap."

LOL. More delusions of grandeur from Stinkyland.

"Where is the majority opinion in Pakistan about the new government?"

tosser is a pakistani
i'm a pakistani-american

both of us agree

zardari is a gangster
its like if the potus was john gotti

he probably killed bhutto
to broker his own power.

but sarah palin seems to like him.
he called her "gorgeous"
and she blushed.

More delusions of grandeur from Stinkyland.

I told you, you are easy to figure out..

he probably killed bhutto
to broker his own power.

No probably about it. Only he could have done it. Pak's very own OJ Simpson. lol

The GOP has done a number on us, but I hope we have something left.

GoP means "Govt. of Pakistan", where I come from, but I am sure you don't know that and weren't using it that way.

What does GOP mean?

OK. never mind... I looked it up. Grand Old Party. Republican Party.

Bhutto was Pakistan's greatest hope, I was actually looking forward to her being PM...

Bhutto was Pakistan's greatest hope, I was actually looking forward to her being PM...

I wasn't. And neither was her husband it seems. lol

America's only hope is making Ahmed-Nijad POTUS (which of course can't happen).

The man knows his stuff and is on top of his game.

I heard Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a senior level Obama adviser. Is this true? Sounds like the same liberal Democrat message. I defy anyone to differentiate statements from Admadinejad and any prominent liberal politician.

I think this country will come to an end but not as soon as Iran thinks. first we are going to nuke them before we come to an end.