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Monday, September 22, 2008

Congressional Democrats began to set their own terms on Sunday for a plan to rescue the nation's financial institutions, including greater legislative oversight of the Treasury Department, more direct assistance for homeowners and limits on the pay of top executives whose firms seek help.

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"Several Democratic senators are intensely interested in reviving a provision that was knocked out of the foreclosure prevention legislation last summer, to grant bankruptcy judges the authority to modify the terms of primary mortgages. That provision is opposed by the banking, lending and securities industries. But supporters say it would guarantee that lenders enter negotiations to modify loans of struggling homeowners."

Saves taxpayer money and might help some families keep their homes. No wonder the GOP is against it.

No rubberstamps!

He urged Congress to move swiftly to approve a "clean" rescue plan without tacking on extra programs.

I.E. no new regulations to prevent this from happening again. How conservative.

"But Mr. Paulson said that he was concerned that imposing limits on the compensation of executives could discourage companies from participating in the program.

"If we design it so it's punitive and so institutions aren't going to participate, this won't work the way we need it to work," Mr. Paulson said on "Fox News Sunday." "Let's talk about executive salaries. There have been excesses there. I agree with the American people. Pay should be for performance, not for failure."

But he quickly added: "But we need this system to work, and so we the reforms need to come afterwards."

ER...If they don't want to participate because they don't like the limits on executive compensation then fuck them.
This is just a big money grab. they all know the house of cards is getting ready to collapse and are just trying to grab as much as they can before it does. NO GOLDEN PARACHUTES AT ALL if they want into any bailout program.

Arrest paulson, he helped this come to pass.
He made millions destroying the prosperity of the average citizen.
Let them fall, let them burn.

"But Mr. Paulson said that he was concerned that imposing limits on the compensation of executives could discourage companies from participating in the program."

If they are really broke then the executives get nothing. So participating in a program that would give them something is the only logical thing to do.

The only execs who would turn it down are the ones who think they can get more by turning the company around on their own. And if that is even remotely possible, then they shouldn't be seeking a bailout in the first place.

There is no logical reason why anyone would turn down a bailout because of the cap on exec pay unless they don't really need a bailout. Paulson either lacks common sense or he's lying in order to scare people into rubber stamping a deal that fucks taxpayers.

""He urged Congress to move swiftly to approve a "clean" rescue plan without tacking on extra programs.""
I.E. no new regulations to prevent this from happening again. How conservative.

And no new highways in Robert Byrd's West Virginia.

But Mr. Paulson said that he was concerned that imposing limits on the compensation of executives could discourage companies from participating in the program.

Fine, then they don't need a bailout then do they?

If the CEO comp is more important than the viability of their company then they cannot be all that bad off.

Taxpayer $$$ saved.

" Paulson either lacks common sense or he's lying in order to scare people into rubber stamping a deal that fucks taxpayers."

Oh..I know! I know!

The second one.

On top of those things, any company that receives government help or government contracts should be banned from lobbying, or from donating to Congressmen and politicians.

Let them fall, let them burn.

#4 | Posted by gitmboy

I don't agree with that either.

Too many state and local governments would have their pension obligations fucked if there was a complete and total collapse of the markets.

Too many small businesses would not have access to capital.

But I do agree with limiting officer pay if they participate. It is common sense that if they are that bad off financially that they need goverment help then they should not be paying hundreds of millions out to the CEO.

"He urged Congress to move swiftly to approve a "clean" rescue plan without tacking on extra programs."

I.E. no new regulations to prevent this from happening again. How conservative.

Where you get that translation, I'll never know. Perhaps he meant that legislators shouldn't take advantage of the obviously imminent passage of this bill by adding pork and other unrelated garbage.

"Too many state and local governments would have their pension obligations fucked if there was a complete and total collapse of the markets. Too many small businesses would not have access to capital."

If those are your only fears, then why not have the federal government take on those obligations rather than having them buy up all the bad loans and keep all the greedy investment bankers from realizing the true consequences of their actions?

So Barney and Dodd have now come up with a 'plan' to gain control. They were warned about this over 2 years ago. Legislation was introduced to try and prevent this. Why did they block it? What have they been doing the last two years? Maybe they allowed this to happen implement their own plans. Make it easier to grab the WH.

Obama has been one of the largest recepients of donations from FannieMae and FreddieMac. No wonder he has 'held off announcing his plans as to not impact the market'. What a leader he is. He is waiting for the dust to settle and then chose the winning side.

keep all the greedy investment bankers from realizing the true consequences of their actions?

#12 | Posted by JOE at 2008-09-22 03:50 PM | Reply

The greedy investment bankers took their 40 million dollar golden parachutes and bought beachfront property. They could give a shit less what you or the government does--it won't affect them at all.

NEW YORK (AP) - Oil prices spiked more than $25 a barrel Mondaythe biggest one-day price jump everas anxiety over the government's $700 billion bailout plan, a weak dollar and an expiring crude contract ignited a dramatic rally.

Drill baby drill!!! LOL

Congress, Bush team agree on some bailout terms

news.yahoo.com

Go 'Bama!

Senator Lipzoidials terms for bailout;

1) any person voting for this automatically is dis-qualified from ever making investments again,

2) since investment banks will become government agencies, they will now be run by the DMV,

3) if you vote yes, please signify by shooting yourself in the head,

4) if you vote no, please shoot yourself in the head for being in congress while it happened,

5) the only way to escape shooting yourself in the head is to shoot your next level supervisor in the head, if he has already been shot and is not still twitching, please go up the ladder and shoot the next level manager.

6) wednesday is 'shoot a banking lobbyist in the head for free' day.

On top of those things, any company that receives government help or government contracts should be banned from lobbying, or from donating to Congressmen and politicians.

#9 | Posted by rightisright at 2008-09-22 03:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

WOW....it must be the fall equinox or something, but I find myself agreeing with RIR.

Where you get that translation, I'll never know. Perhaps he meant that legislators shouldn't take advantage of the obviously imminent passage of this bill by adding pork and other unrelated garbage.

#11 | Posted by JOE

Well then you are stupid.

Look at the three page bill that was sent to congress. $1 billion per word. Unlimited power for the administration to set who would get bailed out, no judicial review. No relief for homeowners, no limits on executive pay.

Just give him the money.

Serious question --

I'm going to buy WAMU stock.

I don't have a stock broker.
At WAMU when I called about how to buy stock, he told me I could even buy it myself making an e-trade. Is it hard to do? Do you save broker's fees? Do I pay for it with my credit card? How do you set up an account and how do you get proof of your stock buy?

I just want to buy 500 shares and not have some stockbroker messing with my account and getting front and back door fees. I'm new at this so any suggestion as to what type of buy to ask for if I want to just buy the shares and hold them until I resell them (without some stock broker making a ton of commissions) would be appreciated.

WAMU's employees were all buying stock like crazy last week and on Friday. WAMU has now auctioned themselves off and is looking for buyers so I figure at around $3 plus a share as of today, the shares should go up if they find a buyer. Yes? No?

Help.

WOW....it must be the fall equinox or something, but I find myself agreeing with RIR.

Commonsense.

Me too. Freaky, isn't it?

Actually, you are mistaken in your accusations. It is the republicans that have been calling for deregulation of business as part of their platform for the last eighty years and more. Smaller government means less interference in business. That's the republican mantra. The market is smarter than government. That's the republican creed. It has been McCains battle cry for the last thirty years until this last week.

But as to the current crisis--it is on the republicans who finally got what they asked for. After the depression, there was a law passed in 1933 that put up barriers between banks, investment houses, and mortgage companies. This law was placed there to prevent what happened in 1929 from happening again. That law was called the Glass-Steagall Act In 1999 the republican congress repealed this law with the Gramm-Leach-Bliley This law was signed into law on Nov 12, 1999.Now before you bring out your Clinton Did It sign--consider a couple of facts.

"Democrats agreed to support the bill only after Republicans agreed to strengthen provisions of the Community Reinvestment Act and address certain privacy concerns.[3] The final bipartisan bill resolving the differences was passed in the Senate 90-8-1 and in the House: 362-57-15. Without forcing a veto vote, this bipartisan, veto proof legislation was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on November 12, 1999. [4]"

en.wikipedia.org

Now, the Gramm in the Gramm-Leach-Bliley act is the same Phil Gramm that is now McCains economic advisor. That should give you confidence in your candidate. Gramm also says we are in a "mental recession".

Several Democratic senators are intensely interested in reviving a provision that was knocked out of the foreclosure prevention legislation last summer, to grant bankruptcy judges the authority to modify the terms of primary mortgages. That provision is opposed by the banking, lending and securities industries. But supporters say it would guarantee that lenders enter negotiations to modify loans of struggling homeowners."

Saves taxpayer money and might help some families keep their homes. No wonder the GOP is against it.

No rubberstamps!

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2008-09-21 10:25 PM |

Let us know when Obama, Dodd, Clinton and the rest of the Senate dems became republicans. You seem ignorant to which party held up the passing of this bill.

On top of those things, any company that receives government help or government contracts should be banned from lobbying, or from donating to Congressmen and politicians.

~RIGHTISRIGHT

Excellent point and Newsworthy

On top of those things, any company that receives government help or government contracts should be banned from lobbying, or from donating to Congressmen and politicians.

How about political advisors to a presidential candidate? Johnson and Raines anyone???

RiR

Hope you come on DR soon. Please take a look at my #20.

I just took a look at how to make e-trades. Afraid I'm too much of a novice to mess with that stuff so can you give me the name of a good company to make a one time buy of WAMU stock that won't gouge me with commissions? I'd like to buy before WAMU maybe gets a buyer for their company (they're actively looking now) and their stock price shoots up again. It was $40 plus a share last year and is now around $3 a share. Might be a good time to buy. Thanks.

Chris, I've heard that ING is a legit company, though I've never used it myself and only heard that from friends.

content.sharebuilder.com

www.msnbc.msn.com

Why isn't more being done to help homeowners?
That's a key question being asked this week by congressional Democrats, and it's a major sticking point in the current debate over the details of the bailout. The debate has gone on for the last year, and both sides are pretty well dug in.

Opponents of aggressive measures to "bail out" homeowners argue that this would reward bad behavior or at least bad financial decisions. Homeowners who reached too far, this thinking goes, should suffer the consequences.

wouldnt the nation be better served by bailing out the homeowners? the loans would no longer be bad, the investment and mortgage companies would make profit and people would keep their homes aiding the local areas, municipalities etc?

How about political advisors to a presidential candidate? Johnson and Raines anyone???

There goes half of Mcsame's advisers as well as his campaign manager-the $30,000 a week pimp for Fred and Fannie.

CC,

I haven't used them but a friend swears by scottrade. he does all his buying and selling through them.

I believe there is a small fee per trade.

There goes half of Mcsame's advisers as well as his campaign manager-the $30,000 a week pimp for Fred and Fannie.

So ignore Obamas advisors who ran the Company into the ground and received millions? Gotcha.

Messes like this seperates the every day party hacks from the real diehards. You can see it in this thread. Most posters are talking about what they think are sensible measures to take now with an eye towards avoiding a repeat. Then you have the diehard fools who need to pretend it was one party or the other that caused this as if either is beyond blame. They could end up living in cardboard boxes and they'd tuck themselves under their newspapers with a smile on their face every night so long as they can blame the right people. Amazing.

Dems will load up that bill with so many "ear marks" that Flop Ears will look like the Tattoo Man.

The Treasury bailout (today) seeks to make $700 billion of fictitious financial claims "real" that is, way overvalued as compared to their actual worth(lessness). But our total liability could be $56 trillion.

What is reducing real estate, stocks and bonds to junk is the exponential growth in this country's debt. Debts that cannot be paid have little market value at any price. The nation must make a choice: If the government bails out the large financial institutions for having made bad loans, then the only way the government can be paid back is by not forgiving the debts owed by homeowners. This would tighten the debt terms on debtors at the bottom of the food chain, against whom new bankruptcy are aimed. The government bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac for their junk mortgages packaged by predatory lenders such as Countrywide Financial and Washington Mutual is wrong.

It was at Wall Street's command that the BushCo deregulated all the key positions. Regulations didn't matter at the EPA, at the Fed under Greenspan, at the SEC under Mr. Cox (Donaldson resigned when the White House refused to let him regulate) or at the DoJ under Gonzales.

What to do?
The public interest requires maintaining the economy's basic bank and credit functions. But the Treasury should only buy junk mortgages at current market price. The price of using the Government's borrowing facility should be to forfeit all equity stock. The Treasury should also prohibit any financial institution that borrows from the Fed from paying dividends to shareholders or stock options and bonuses to managers. It also should give the government priority over all other creditors.

Second, we need to restore the Glass-Steagall separation of commercial banks from investment banks, mortgage brokers and other financial predators. On Monday, Sept. 22, Mr. Paulson's announced his Wall Street firm, Goldman Sachs, was transforming itself into a bank holding company. Should casinos take over Banks? Again, big fish eat little fish. New giants are emerging, larger than the government in debts and earning power. Is extracting interest from the U.S. economy the new form of taxation, albeit private?

Third, re-write the bankruptcy laws to favor debtors once again, not creditors. This means reversing the current bankruptcy code sponsored by lobbies from the credit-card companies.

Fourth, sharply increase property taxes, shifting them back off labor and sales. We need to return to the classical idea of taxing unearned and unproductive income instead of adding to the price of labor and industry. What has been freed from the tax collector by the shift of taxes off property has not lowered the cost of housing and other real estate, or corporate costs of doing business. The income "freed" has ended up being paid to the banks as interest. Labor and industry now pay twice for what they formerly paid only once. They still pay the same overall amount of taxes, but also pay an equivalent amount of interest.

Fifth, reaccess the need for a banking system that behaves in the way the present one does. In recent decades banks have made loans mainly to inflate asset prices by loading real estate and industry with interest-bearing debt.

Any solution does indeed need to be radical. But Mr. Paulson's power grab for Morgan Stanley and the rest of Wall Street in the closing days of the Bush administration just before the Republicans look like losing power must not stand. Government funds are not unlimited. Is it worth wiping out hopes for Social Security and public health care, for renewed national infrastructure spending and industrial restructuring in order to bail out a banking and financial system that has not contributed to economic growth but has weighed it down with reckless debt regardless of the economy's ability to pay?

Excerpted from Michael Hudson @ Counterpunch

Democrats agreed to support the bill only after Republicans agreed to strengthen provisions of the Community Reinvestment Act and address certain privacy concerns...
nuff said. Force companies to make risky loans in order to 'deregulate'. Now those risky loans are come home....

Lipzoidial

CC,

I haven't used them but a friend swears by scottrade. he does all his buying and selling through them.

I believe there is a small fee per trade.

Thanks, that relieves my concern a little bit.
I just got off the phone quizzing some poor fellow with an e-trade company called "Sharebuilders.com" for a half an hour as to just how e-trades work. It's $9.95 for a buy and the same for a sale and no other hidden fees (like "inactivity charges" and other hidden charges brokers can sneak in). It sounds pretty good because you can make your buy in seconds. They keep the stock in their "street name" but he told me that enables you to sell your stock right away whereas if it was in your own name you'd have to bring it in to a broker to sell it and there's a lot more formalities.

WAMU is now looking for a buyer. Their stock is $3.33 a share today (was around $37 a share last year). I'm just purely guessing but I think if they can find a buyer their stock might shoot up? WAMU has a good depositor base but they were at the top for taking in these sleezy subprime loans so WAMU is teetering now and have been classified as "junk bond" status. I think I'll do some more research and sleep on it for one night. Was thinking of buying around 500 shares.

CC
ETrade is a company. In order to buy the stocks with your online account there, you have to open one. You can also do so at Charles Schwab, TD Ameritrade, and a handful of others. You'll pay something like 20 bucks--maybe less--to place the trade you want. ScottTrade is something like $8 per trade. And you do whatever you want online.

Washington Mutual was down 22% on the day. Of all the regional banks, it's the one that's the least desirable, for a few reasons. Yes, they're looking for a buyer. Yes, they might get one. Yes, if they find one, the stock might move up. Then again, it might not. AIG found a buyer, and went down anyhow. Bear Stearns found a buyer a $2 a share, down from $178 a year before. Is it worth the risk of them not finding one, and their stock doesn't move anywhere but down? That's up to you.

It looks like greed has overtaken good common sense. Although I agree that something needs to be done, there shouldn't be any plan that doesn't include taking back the big bucks from the executives and Congressmen who benefited from the low security loans. Anyone who has read any of my recents posts on this matter knows there are many in Congress who got huge donations from executives of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. And these same executives made MILLIONS off FM & FM, knowing all along it would eventually need to be bailed out.

These people shouldn't be treated any differently than the high rollers in the Enron scandal.

On top of those things, any company that receives government help or government contracts should be banned from lobbying, or from donating to Congressmen and politicians.

~RiR

And we haff a winner in the DR's daily Captain Obvious award.

Be Well.

The proposal by Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., the Banking Committee chairman, gives the government broad power to buy up virtually any kind of bad asset including credit card debt or car loans from any financial institution in the U.S. or abroad in order to stabilize markets.
the smart thing to do,load up on credit card debt,buy a hummer and miss a couple of house payments,let someone else pay for it.

Corrupt "Community Organizer" organization ACORN, an institutional ally of Barack Obama, lobbied Freddie and Fannie to extend even more risky loans to credit-poor borrowers in the interest of ending "racial redlining." But they didn't end "racial redlining." What they ended was any credit-checking at all, as subprime mortgage providers simply stopped verifying self-reported claims of income and in fact ended even the most basic prudential element of a mortgage -- the down payment.

"Fannie Mae is proud to work with ACORN Housing, " said Thomas Collins, Director, Single Family Business, and Fannie Mae. By working with ACORN and lenders like Citibank, we can support their efforts to expand homeownership opportunities for underserved communities at affordable price points achieve sustainable homeownership."

In this same speech, Collins referred to, Obama, and other members of the Black Congressional Caucus which had worked so diligently to craft the time bomb that would ultimately destroy two key segments of the American economy (both housing/home construction and the financial sectors), members of "the family."

If they (CEOs) don't want to participate because they don't like the limits on executive compensation then fuck them

The CEO's aren't going to have the final word. If it is a good deal for the company, the board of directors has an obligation to act in the best interest of the company. Even if the board fails to act, institutional investors will weigh in.

Cali,

Don't do it unless you can stand to lose all of it with no regrets. I found out the hard way that you can lose it all buying companies that are in the toilet.

If you can take the loss without berating yourself for it, go for it. You may be right on the bounce back theory, but you also may want look around for other distressed banks with better portfolios.

In any event, remember; never bet the rent money.

The importance of wiretapping cannot be overstated at a time like this. In order to whip Congress into compliance, it will now be necessary to blackmail the unwilling. All they need is 51% and they can fuck everyone in the country.

Ditto #42, STAY AWAY If the shorts could have been
in play today it would have closed at probably $2.50 area.
If you do not know what you are doing
now is not
the time to play in a high risk stock or sector!

WE NEED TO MARCH ON WASHINGTON, DC AND MAKE THIS STOP. THEY ARE GOING TO STEAL EVERYTHING!!!!!

What if the bailout plan doesn't work?

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