Bristol, upon returning from a shopping trip in Anchorage, received Palins nod of approval for the $15 dress she bought for the nights gala they were about to attend. No need for a $300 gown, Palin said.

But when Bristol revealed she spent $30 on leg waxing--"That was supposed to be gas money," Todd Palin said disapprovinglythe governor wasnt too happy, either.

"Thats a waste of money," she said. "You have razors."

I don't know. I think this story is just too kooky to be true. Anyone have a link disputing the claim? It doesn't smell right to me in light of Palin's penchant for selling off jets, being a fiscal conservative, etc.

Chicka Chicka Bow Bown

Again, if true, just more cognizant dissonance on Palin's part:

Skin cancer is the most common cancer in the world and its incidence is increasing at the highest rate of any type of cancer. According to the American Academy of Dermatology, more than 1.3 million new cases are diagnosed in the United States every year. Melanomathe deadliest form of skin cancerkills one person every hour in the United States and is the third most commonly diagnosed form of cancer among women ages 25-45 and second most commonly diagnosed form of cancer among men of this age group. Skin cancer is caused, overwhelmingly, by over-exposure to ultraviolet radiation from the sun and from tanning beds. It is largely preventable. In fact, 95percent of skin cancers are preventable if we properly protect ourselves from UV rays. Eighty percent of ones lifetime sun damage occurs before age 18. It is imperative that we instill sun safety behavior among our children at an early age and thus incorporate sun safety education in our public educational system. The Cancer Crusaders Organization, an award-winning nonprofit skin cancer education facility and the proud home of the National Skin Cancer Awareness Symbol, strongly urges all Americans to become proactively engaged in efforts to protect children and young adults from this common, yet preventable, disease.

The Organization further asks for the enthusiastic and proactive support of our educators, health professionals and leaders to support initiatives and other such efforts to encourage sun-safe practices among our community, and thereby significantly reduce skin cancer incidence and mortality throughout the United States and thus improve the overall quality of life.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, Sarah Palin, Governor of the State of Alaska, do hereby proclaim May 2007, as:

Skin Cancer Awareness Month

in Alaska, and urge all Alaskans to become proactively engaged in efforts to protect our children and young adults from this common, yet preventable disease.

Dated: May 4, 2007

Another myth--or why do we care moment..

Murphy,

If true, I explained the reason I care above. The Palins were upset with Bristol for spending $30 to have her legs waxed, because it was supposed to be gas money. What does it say about your budgeting ablities if you buy a tanning bed, even a used one, for the governor's mansion, and then have to scrounge around for gas money?

What does it say about your judgment if you legislate Cancer Awareness Week for your state, note that skin cancer is preventable and is caused by using tanning beds, among other things, only to install a tanning bed in the governor's mansion?

Nah, this story can't be true. It's too stupid to be true, so I think you are right: this must be a myth.

P.S. I hope you weren't one of the people who pilloried John Edwards for his $400 haircut, because it would seem you should look askance at Palin's narcissism too. But like I said: this can't be true. I've been looking for a link that refutes the claim. No doubt someone will find one soon. Anyone?

Says right in the article she paid for it with her own money. So why is it any of your damn business?

I don't support Palin/McCain but when it comes to this story I don't care. If Palin wants to abuse a tanning bed and get skin cancer then that is her own business. Hell, for all I know tanning bed could be common in Alaska. Maybe they don't get enough vitamin D in the winter.

As for your reasoning GT, did you give any thought to the notion that maybe they are trying to teach Bristol how to be responsible with her money?

tanning bed? i knew it!

sarah palin is trying to look muslim ;)

FF for Kliff!

she should be able to fake and bake like the rest of them! in ak - a common malady is s.a.d. - many people use tanning beds and special lights to overcome this during the long winter months.

Gosh, a used tanning bed can cost as much as $1500. Wow! Maybe she used the money Alaskans receive from oil revenue. Who knows? What an extravagance. And she used her own money. Put it in perspective. How much does a car cost?

And somehow, there is concern regarding the health effects of tanning. Skin cancer. Gosh. What about the benefits? There are short days up North there, and sunlight is not available. What about the depressive effects of lack of sunlight and the palliative efects of artificial light, which is recommended. And what about ... ? Oh gee, gosh, much ado about nothing.

Are the lefties grasping at straws? Next thing they'll investigate is the table settings she uses. Quickly. Get Martha Stewart on her. Martha is a Democrat. Martha can criticize her housekeeping.

Pucker up those lips as you folks walk by the graveyard as midnight (Election Day) approaches, and whistle to keep away those anxieties, those things that exist in the night and cause you nightmares, the prospect of voters electing McCain-Palin instead of "The Chosen and Anointed One"-Biden. You folks anointed "Him," Obama, too early. Obama's Kingdom may not come, and His will may not be done. Wait for 2012, Ms Hillary is in the wings.

But wait, does Buffalo Bob think that there will be a 2012 election? After all, the Mayan Calendar indicates that ... . Well, let Bob tell it.

she should be able to fake and bake like the rest of them! in ak - a common malady is s.a.d. - many people use tanning beds and special lights to overcome this during the long winter months.

Tanning beds are not recommended as a treatment for SADs as for as I know.

As for your reasoning GT, did you give any thought to the notion that maybe they are trying to teach Bristol how to be responsible with her money?

LOL Thanks, I needed that. Well, if I was Bristol Palin, I'd say, "Mommy, dearest, you don't need a tanning bed. You have tanning creams. They are a whole lot cheaper, and according to your cancer awareness week blurb, they don't cause skin cancer."

I guess it's just me, but I find it hypocritical to praise Bristol for buying a cheap $15 dress while splurging on a big vanity purchase like a tanning bed. In this as in many other things, Sarah Palin isn't just like me.

What is this, the Democrats finally revealing how much they like Soap Operas?

As for the item, she paid for it herself. Even Amazon sells one, and it's about a third of the price of one of JohnKerry's bikes and probably costs less than a few months of Michelle's private trainer.

The Democrats are really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really desperate.

If people haven't yet caught on about what a complete unqualified joke Palin is, it is just because they don't want to know. And truthful information will have no impact upon them.
It is an insult to all intelligent people that this election is even close. It reveals a lot about America and how vacuous many of Her inhabitants really are.

she paid for it herself.

With per diem?

Moder8 is right. Palin is an insult, and her sycophants a joke.

As for your reasoning GT, did you give any thought to the notion that maybe they are trying to teach Bristol how to be responsible with her money?

Here's a thought: they could encourage Bristol's entrepreneurial spirit by allowing her to rent out sessions in the tanning bed.

Tanning beds should not be used to treat SAD. The light sources in tanning beds are high in ultraviolet (UV) rays, which harm both your eyes and your skin.

Republicans spent the last two years saying what an empty suit a harvard law prof. with a magna cum laude graduation was.

Then they offer a VP that can't even live up to the experience lies told about Obama. Sad.

guess it's just me, but I find it hypocritical to praise Bristol for buying a cheap $15 dress while splurging on a big vanity purchase like a tanning bed. In this as in many other things, Sarah Palin isn't just like me.

Has it ever occurred to you that Mrs. Palin expects her daughter to earn and then spend her own money? Or, that a given allowence is for a specific purpose?

Frugality is all about living within one's means. My dad was very well off when I was growing up. Nice house, a vacation place in northern Michigan and he drove around in Lincoln's. Yet, he was operating well within his income circle. When I was 14 I purchased a moped for about $750 (an Aero50 - it actually wasn't legally a moped, but the state of Michigan hadn't yet caught on. The fucker topped out at 42 mph! Most mopeds struggled to hit 35). I had a lot of fun with it and used it to deliver my paper route. When I turned 16 I sold it for $200. My dad called it a waste of money, to which my mom pointed out how much fun I had with it and the fact that I used it for my paper route as well. I then pointed out to my dad that he just dropped $4k into a grandfather clock - an imprecise time piece. He laughed and ceded my point.

Anyhow, if Mrs. Palin could easily afford this thing, I guess I don't see where you are going with this. Is it a predisposition to dislike her?

Basically, you know very little background on this. This is obviously a parenting issue - how Mrs. Palin goes about instilling a sense of responsible spending in her daughter. My dad used to drop subtle, and sometimes not-so-subtle hints. Example, I remember asking him if he ever considered moving out of our house into a bigger one. His reply: We can easily afford a bigger house, but we like this one. We particularly love that it backs up to the woods.

Point being, you're being awfully judgemental regarding a situation that you know very litte about.

More important than a tanning bed:

Why I found this story to be of interest is that it is another example of a tendency, common among Republicans--and apparently Palin is no exception-- to advocate a "Don't do as I do, do as I say" policy. The latest development in Troopergate is another example. Palin is running on a platform of ethics reform, of restoring accountablity and transparency to government--as long as it's not her own ethics that need looking into in a transparent and accountable way.

Says right in the article she paid for it with her own money. So why is it any of your damn business?

Because it's weird. And because Palin and her supporters make such a big deal out of what a down-to-earth normal person she is.

If Edwards is the "Breck girl" because he got an expensive haircut, what does that make Palin now? (Other than tan, of course.)

Gal,

You claim "The Palin's are scrounging around for gas money".

Can you substantiate that?

Do you have access to their financials?

Or, is it possible, just maybe, that Mr. and Mrs. Palin have decided that their daughter's allowence will only be so much each week, and they are trying to teach her to be responsible with her money?

Allow me another personal anecdote:

I went to a Catholic High school and had to commute. My bro was 2 year's older and was given a hand-me-down car (my parents arranged car-pooling for his first 2 years). By the time my bro graduated, I was 16 and had my liscence. My bro's hand-me-down car became mine. My dad gave me an allowence, enough to cover going to and from school, and that was it. He suggested however, that if I car-pooled with a couple of friends, and/or asked for gas money from any friends who didn't have a car, I could stretch that allowence to cover other discretionary items as I saw fit. I did exactly that. He made one thing very clear though: I was responsible for getting myself to school - he provided the wheels and the gas money, but if I chose to spend that money on bullshit and DIDN'T legally supplant it with other monies to make sure I got myself to school, then I was screwed. Usage of the car would be strictly limited to going to and from school and that would be it. Now, I loved the freedom that having my own wheels allowed me, so I lived up to his parameters.

I am seriously surprised at the tack you have taken. Hopefully, you just haven't thought through all of the possibilities - as you are one of the more reasonable and fair individuals on this site.

Later all.

Anyhow, if Mrs. Palin could easily afford this thing, I guess I don't see where you are going with this.

Maybe she can afford it because of those per diem reimbursements? I don't know. Here's the context of waxing quote I mentioned above, which is why I made the connection to the tanning bed:

In the end, Palin is a practical, real-life person applying the rules of everyday life to government. When she laid off the chef at the governors mansion, it was not because of poor performance; she simply didnt need one.

She told me, I get home from the capital at 9, 10 oclock. I can warm up something myself, -- Heath said. The lady was a good cook, but the kids would rather have a hot dog than a gourmet crab cake.--

Bristol, upon returning from a shopping trip in Anchorage, received Palins nod of approval for the $15 dress she bought for the nights gala they were about to attend. No need for a $300 gown, Palin said.

But when Bristol revealed she spent $30 on leg waxingThat was supposed to be gas money,-- Todd Palin said disapprovinglythe governor wasnt too happy, either.

Thats a waste of money,-- she said. You have razors.--

Of course, we now know that the chef got another positon and still did cook for the family.

Hotdogs and razors and moose stew and tanning beds are in. Gourmet crabcakes and fancy dresses are out.

Correction: Gourmet crabcakes and waxing and fancy dresses are out.

If Edwards is the "Breck girl" because he got an expensive haircut, what does that make Palin now?

A handful of $400 haircuts quickly exceeds the cost of a used tanning bed. Furthermore, a used tanning bed likely pays for itself over time as opposed to paying a spa to use their, un-sterile shit. Lastly, the use of tanning beds is FAR more common than $400 haircuts.

"Breck girl's" living arrangements are VASTLY more ostentatious than Palin's.

You're comparing apples and oranges, and you know it.

What's next? Are you going to link an article that Sarah Palin got a pedicure once?

Because it's weird. And because Palin and her supporters make such a big deal out of what a down-to-earth normal person she is.

If Edwards is the "Breck girl" because he got an expensive haircut, what does that make Palin now? (Other than tan, of course.)

That's exactly it, RCade. Doubly so, in light of the context the quote about waxing versus razors was presented in the article "Palin's Way."

If Edwards is the "Breck girl" because he got an expensive haircut, what does that make Palin now? (Other than tan, of course.)

#22 | Posted by rcade

A "moosiah" who works part-time as a stripper?
You may also include-a former beauty queen who's getting a bit older(ala Janice Dickenson), who's trying to recapture some attention.

I wonder how long before she starts charging the government for botox, collagen treatments, lip injections-etc.

What's next? Are you going to link an article that Sarah Palin got a pedicure once?

Nope. Manicures and pedicures are out; she has nail clippers, fingernail files, nail polish and a husband with strong hands.

Tanning bed equals vacuous, self-indulgent, image conscious twenty-something. Tanning bed equals skin cancer. Tanning bed equals vanity. Palin equals all of the above. Rovian politics 101. Negative imagery creating unelectability. You righties should know this better than anyone. Always amusing when the biter gets bit.

Doesn't have to be true. Doesn't have to be relevant. Just has to be negative.

So, I guess Mrs. Palin should just give her daughter whatever she wants in terms of money then?

Were my parents hypocritical to question some of my $20 expenditures when my dad was driving a Lincoln Continental? Or, when my mom dropped $5k on a mink coat?

My parents earned their money. My dad worked very hard and very smart. When he retired, he was still working for the same company that hired him out of college. He retired as a partner of that company. My parents purchased luxury items because they could afford them. Their message to me was with hard and focused work and an awful lot of perserverence, maybe someday I'd make enough money for myself to afford some extravagences.

For fuck's sake, drop your partisanship and consider viewing this from more than 1 perspective.

More important than a tanning bed:

www.huffingtonpost.com

So the media will skip it?

You must have been reading my mind.

Gal,

Have you actually considered anything I've typed on this thread?

Tanning beds are out cause there is the Sun She could use. Tanning Beds signifies hoity toity status symbols nothing more. She claims to be a fiscal Conservative which blows that Charade all out of wack. The right pitched a royal bitch about John Edwards hairdo turn about is fair play. Besides it's not the Liberals who say they are responsible with their monies like the Republicans are.

Larry

So, I guess according to Gal and Rogers, a parent whose earned a fair amount of money can't spend it as they see fit and THEN try and teach a sense of financial responsibility to their children. That would somehow be hypocritcal, which is absurd on its face when the parents can AFFORD their discretionary items and their children can't.

Do you guys applaud when ghetto children drop everything they've got into a pair of $150 sneakers?

Yes, Jeff, I did. I really did, and you do make a good point about teaching kids financial responsiblity. Neither of us knows if that was the Palins intention or not. What we do know is that Palin has billed herself as a frugal, no frills governor, and the purchase of a tanning bed, bought with her own money even, doesn't jive with that picture. At least, not in my mind.

Now here's a question for you: did you actually consider anything I said? The tanning bed in an of itself is not the issue. I can just imagine how the right would have spun it if John Kerry, the liberal elitist, had had a tanning bed in his home. Who knows? Maybe he does, but the media didn't get wind of it.

No Ghetto Kid is trying to claim they are Fiscal Conservatives JeffJ. They aren't running for High office on that platform.

Larry

Do you guys applaud when ghetto children drop everything they've got into a pair of $150 sneakers?

Now who is comparing apples and oranges?

Hi Larry! Long time no see. Hope you are feeling better.

Yeah losing weight Gal. lost 28 pounds in 30 days. I am doing better with the ulcers too. Thanks for asking.

Larry

PS for JeffJ Kinda hard to say You will be fiscally responsible with other peoples money when You aren't with Your own. Know what I mean??

All of the used tanning bed sites request to be called for pricing.

However, NEW tanning beds start at $1499.

WOW 1,200 for a Tanning bed plus maintanence or using the Sun for FREE. Hmmmmmmmm hard one.

Larry

A Tanning Bed in Every Home if I am president! Oh, and more money for cancer research, especially melanoma.

PALIN: As mayor and governor, I tried to lead by example. As mayor, I had taken a voluntary pay cut, which didnt really thrill my husband. And then as governor, I stopped the personal chef position from the budget which did not thrill my kids.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MADDOW: Actually, the personal chef just sort of got reassigned.

But anyway, Palins self-touted image as a cut expenses indulgence because its the right thing to do kind of gal-- was undercut by the Washington Post-- today which reports that Governor Palin taps the Alaskan state budgetthats taxpayer money, folksfor nearly $17,000 in per diem expenses to spend the night in her own home. She also used more than $40,000 tax dollars to transport her daughters and her husband between the state capitol and her hometown.

All the while, she was criticizing state legislators for taking the same kind of payment.

The tanning bed in an of itself is not the issue. I can just imagine how the right would have spun it if John Kerry, the liberal elitist, had had a tanning bed in his home. Who knows? Maybe he does, but the media didn't get wind of it.

A tanning bed is considerably cheaper than a hot tub.

My next door neighbor has a frickin' not tub - well, he HAD one. He sold it becuase he didn't feel he was using it enough.

A used tanning bed is NOT an expensive item. Would you be all huffy if you learned that the Palin's had a 45" plasma TV in their family room?

You will be fiscally responsible with other peoples money when You aren't with Your own.

Fiscal responsibility means living within your means. Fiscal responsibility does NOT mean doing without luxuries, no matter what. If you can somehow prove that the Palin's couldn't afford this thing, then you'd have a point.

OMG! She's just like me! I LOVE Sarah!

WOW 1,200 for a Tanning bed plus maintanence or using the Sun for FREE. Hmmmmmmmm hard one.

Sun-tanning in Alaska? During winter???

I can't do that even here in Michigan.

Actually, the personal chef just sort of got reassigned.

So, she'd have been better off firing the chef then? Or, does she personally do without that extravagence and then re-assign the talented chef to a different department as a morale booster? I don't know about you, but I would be tickled pink if some big-wig in my company said, "Our company is paying for this chef and I am the only one using her services. I am going to re-assign her to YOUR branch office and she will cook lunch for you every day!"

You guys are so partisan it is unbelievable.

What is wrong with tanning in the winter in Alaska?? Hell I bet ole JeffJ has never made a naked snow angel at night either. How hard could it be to wear some heavy socks some underwear and maybe a hat and lay out in a towel mid january?? I'd do it.

Larry

You guys do realize that to set up and maintain a home office, in addition to the governor's mansion DOES cost money, don't you?

Alaska is a huge state and considerable travel is necessary.

At my office we have employees tied to our office. However, since the region they manage is so far away, they also have a small, home office and the expenses for such are charged to the company. This is pretty common.

PS - I was curious as to what Obama's per diem expenses were. However, a google search turned up zilch. His per diem expenses have never once been reported on. He has been in the national spotlight for over 3 fucking years and the media never found the time to report on it; yet they dig shit shit out in a matter of 2 weeks once Palin enters the spotlight???

I can't find any reporting on Murkowski's per diem expenses either.

This is one of my favorites, Jeff:

"I pushed her on the earth's creation, whether it was really less than 7,000 years old and whether dinosaurs and humans walked the earth at the same time. And she said yes, she'd seen images somewhere of dinosaur fossils with human footprints in them."

Well hell JeffJ You claim Obama ain't an executive so what does His per deims have to do with anything?? According to You He ain't in charge of anything so who cares??

Larry

"...as governor I cut the personal chef position from the budget"

Ah...the position, not the expense.

Hop in a tanning bed and you are going to get burned! But seriously, there was a report I heard on MSNBC about trooper gate that I'd like to know more about. Something about Palin putting pressure on somebody to deny her ex-brother-in-law's disablity or medical leave claim. Palin said she didn't do that, but then the woman in charge of determining the claim came forward and said she did. Something like that, but I'm fuzzy on the details and may have gotten some wrong. I can't find a link. Anyone else know anything about this under reported aspect of the story? If true, it would show a greater blurring of politics and personal life by Palin than was previously reported.

Nice hit piece, BetelG.

Did you notice that your beloved author didn't put Palin's supposed comments in quotes?

Your author isn't directly quoting Palin, she is 'saying that Palin said this'. Pretty unprofessional.

Also, the Catholic church and just about every other Christian spin-off acknowledges that the earth is well over 7,000 years old.

Creationism is NOT about a literal interpretation of Genesis.

Furthermore, Palin NEVER said that creationism should be part of the curriculum. What she said was if the question was raised by a student, she feels it shouldn't be avoided - nothing wrong with open debate in school.

You anti-Christians usually have no idea as to what in the hell you are talking about.

Going to bed now.

Gal-
I don't think this answers your specific question, but it's an interesting read:

"nothing wrong with open debate in school"

Debate what?

Science versus what?

And how would the teacher moderate...according to curriculum rules? According to her or his own personal beliefs?

I heard tonight on CNN that almost everyone in Alaska uses tanning salons due to the obvious lack of a chance to get much sun.

For a Governor to have a tanning bed in the Governor's mansion is to me is no big deal at all. Do you really expect Palin to stand in line with a bunch of other people at some tanning salon tucked inside some mini-mall?

There are security issues and with her political schedule (not to mention having 5 kids to care for) her having a tanning bed available for use in her home makes the most sense for not wasting the time it would take to travel to some local tanning salon. She paid for it with her own money.

Let's stop falling for these stupid non-issues about Palin -- the lipstick on a pig remark ginned up by McCain and the all the comments on her daughter's pregnancy, and everything else that means squat in the lives of most regular Americans.

If the Democrats are the ones who brought up this tanning bed issue up for discussion then they are fools. What they're doing is taking away time when we should all be asking ALL the candidates hard questions about the REAL issues like the economy, energy, jobs lost, out of control deregulation of the finance industry, and things which affect us personally.

I'm given my often negative opinions on Palin plenty of times but this isn't one of those times. Who cares if she owns her own tanning bed. I want to know more about her foreign policy, what she plans on doing about the mess our economy is in, and things which matter to me and the rest of America. I couldn't care less if Sarah Palin even has an indoor swimming pool in her home as long as she used her own money to buy it.

We need to get back to the issues. People like Danforth harping on this nonsense will be the downfall of the dems.

Right. We should get back to the issues of Edwards' haircut, or Kerry windsurfing, or Gore inventing the internet, or Obama as a secret Muslim who will be sworn in on the Koran....

Ahhh.... my nightly peek thru the asylum window....look! here's another lib inmate....hoo hoo hoo hoo ....duhhhh....

GreatAmerican-
Get back in bed now. The nurse is making her rounds.

Right. We should get back to the issues of Edwards' haircut, or Kerry windsurfing, or Gore inventing the internet, or Obama as a secret Muslim who will be sworn in on the Koran....

#60 | Posted by BetelG at 2008-09-16 02:17 AM

Those issues about Kerry windsurfing were just as stupid and as big a waste of our time as talking about Mayor Mukluk's tanning bed.

Americans with half a brain want to spend our time on the real issues concerning our country, not this crap.

We have less than two months until the election.
Today Wall Street went into meltdown and we're wasting time talking about a tanning bed in Palin's Governor's mansion that she paid for herself? Sorry, it's a non-issue -- and a stupid issue. Why don't these reporters dig up stories about things that are important. Sarah Palin's tanning bed is not one of them.

Why don't these reporters dig up stories about things that are important.

Shit sells.

CC-
No, it's not an important issue at all. I never claimed it was. The difference is that this tanning bed story is a flash in the pan from a site no one has heard of, while Kerry windsurfing, Edwards' haircut, and Gore "inventing" the internet became memes repeated ad nauseam on the nightly news as part of the narrative regarding how the Republican candidate was a "regular guy", and the Dem. of the moment was an effete elitist.

BetelG

Okay, I see the point you were trying to make now.
You're right.

BTW, CC, my one comment regarding the tanning bed business was this:

OMG! She's just like me! I LOVE Sarah!

#44 | Posted by BetelG at 2008-09-16 01:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

Which may give you some indication of how seriously I treat this topic.

LOL! BetelG

CC-
De nada. I didn't mean to butt heads. It is rather comical that we shut nonsense like this down even when it is about the opposition, while the opposition pushes nonsense like this because they can't win on the actual issues. And the media comply.

It is rather comical that we shut nonsense like this down even when it is about the opposition, while the opposition pushes nonsense like this because they can't win on the actual issues. And the media comply.

#69 | Posted by BetelG at 2008-09-16 02:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

It's one of the reasons we (libs, the country, sanity) loses on a regular basis.

The big reason is that republicans are excellent at framing every issue as black and white with their straw men narratives. American's have little taste for ambiguity or gray areas. Dems are too wishy washy.

The voters want strong and wrong before weak and right.

And lefties are viewed as weak even when they aren't.

I've been called a "girl" or a "she" about 500 times in the last two days, even when my arguments ranged from factual to plain ugly and abusive.
We can't win because the republicans decided we can't win, and they're a little more willing to(and better at) lying to the public shamelessly.

Far right wingers have no soul.

Alexandrite and CC-
I thought this guy expressed it well:

It's terrifying that so many Americans are so driven by resentment that they will vote against more qualified candidates simply because they seem "different" from them. For what this means is that anyone with expertise, unusual intelligence, mastery, special knowledge, is likely to be rejected by voters who are resentful of "elites." This constitutes a rejection of the very idea that it matters if someone is better at something than someone else.

From Betel's article.

And yet...these are the very people complaining about the PC nature and pussification of the US.(which i agree).

The very idea that a person is better at being president than the average guy should be a good thing. Instead, it seems that Americans really WANT to put down achievement on the basis of personal jealousy or ignorance. Strange.

Even stranger, the people they vote into office are even more "elite" than the ones painted as such. Not the elites you want, those that can do the job, but little princes and princesses of the know nothing monarchy. The children of wealth who live inside a bubble, who get everything they want with zero effort because they fell out of the crotch of important rich folk.

American voters pick the persons least like themselves when they fall for the "beer" narrative. Fools.

Maybe you all should be wondering how Barack got the money to buy drugs when he had no job!

Probably dealt drugs to pay for his habit!

You're retarded.

Boxitch. Been a long time.

Alexandrite
As much as I think Mencken was a snot, he nailed this:

As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.

I'm starting to think HL Mencken was an optimist. This shit gets worse and worse.

Flopears-
How did "W" afford his drugs? Oh, nevermind. A check from daddy.

Alexandrite-
re: American voters pick the persons least like themselves when they fall for the "beer" narrative.

I thought that one was especially funny, given that Bush is a dry drunk.

And dad profited by selling drugs to dictators and scumbags overseas, while keeping the price of drugs up with the phony "war on drugs" in America.

It's beyond irony.

FlopEarsIsToast just makes the argument stronger that Obama is more qualified to be President than old John McCain. He declares that Obama had no money to buy drugs. If this is the case(Which I believe it is) He came from nothing to achieve the impossible the Presidential Nomination for the Democratic party. What more experience do You want?? He has actually lived His experience by His lonesome without any well connected Family members help. Now John McCain is an older version of Dubya. He got His Daddy to get Him a prestigious Pilots assignment just like ole Dubya. ONLY difference is John McCain actually put His life on the line. His POW Status would mean something had He never used it to campaign on. The TRUE Heroes are the ones who never or rarely talk about it. They did their duty and that is what mattered. Oh and Obama is more faithful to His spouse than ole McCain too. Loyalty to ones oaths is VITAL especially today.

Larry

"Says right in the article she paid for it with her own money. So why is it any of your damn business?

Because it's weird. And because Palin and her supporters make such a big deal out of what a down-to-earth normal person she is. Posted by RCADE"

What whack jobs the dr left ARE. So a lady Anchoarge, which gets 5 hours of daylight in December, uses a tanning light and you have a hissy fit. SOOOO WHAT? How fitting that you have nothing but envy for her appeal to the average voter...

I would say the actual time online for the average dr left user, now THAT is inappropriate and shows us who the nutcase whacks jobs really are. The the whining jealous dr left...

LOL...LOL...LOL

I hope we can get to the bottom of this scandal soon! Tanning beds in the house? My gosh, what has this country come to when we allow such corruption and graft in our public officials?

I wish Charles Rangel would chime in here and help bring justice and order out of this terrible travesty!

"Republicans spent the last two years saying what an empty suit a harvard law prof. with a magna cum laude graduation" ..... and then this Harvard law prof. picks Biden and proves he is the empty suit.

Huffing post says "Palin Refuses To Meet With 'Troopergate' Investigator" Really?

"Spokesman Ed O'Callaghan said he has not spoken with Palin, but she was "unlikely to cooperate" with the inquiry "as long as it remains tainted."

Sounds like liberal speculation again to me.

Tainted? That is an understatement. Three of them are in the Obama tank. How can that be? And they promise an October surprise?

"McCain's campaign insists the investigation into the firing of Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan has been hijacked by Democrats."

Why would McCain say that? Oh because half of the investigators are Obamafans and proudly display it.

Monegan did not listen to his boss and thought he was above her in the decision making process. (That is insubordination in anyone's book and grounds for termination) And now pisses and moans about being fired.

I did NOT read anywhere where Palin refused to meet with the 'investigative' team. Good headline to sway those who will not read the article though.

"Three of them are in the Obama tank. How can that be?"

Because one of them's a Republican from Wasilla?

I know NONE of the Dems ever use tanning beds and if they did who CARES.

Damn, I heard she bought a coffee pot for work too. I read somewhere that coffee is bad for you so that means she is too dumb to be VP.

And lets not forget that the taxpayers will have to foot the bill for the electricity to run the tanning bed and coffee pot so this proves that Palin is corrupt.

Man, this is big news!

BTW, McCain continues to lead in the polls and is now ahead in projected electoral votes so lets spend more time discussing tanning beds.

Sarah Palin had a tanning bed installed in the Alaska governor's mansion in 2007

Politics as usual from the "reformer".

The only reforms she likes are ones that hurt people she is opposed to.

"The Democrats are really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really desperate.

#14 | Posted by LonewackoDotCom"

It's not the Democrats, it's the news media wanting to keep the "OMG SARAH PALIN" frenzy going.

I know the Grey sky days are bad in Ohio but up there they do not see the sun for weeks on end.

"The Palins were upset with Bristol for spending $30 to have her legs waxed, because it was supposed to be gas money"

Ever hear of an allowance? How about teaching kids to budget their allowance to cover their necessities first ?
Maybe if a few more parents had instilled this in their kids ...there would be much less bankruptcies and foreclosures. Eh?

Lastly, the use of tanning beds is FAR more common than $400 haircuts.

The purchase of tanning beds for your home isn't common at all. Unless you're buddies with George Hamilton, I'll bet you don't know a single person who owns one.

You guys are fucking hilarious. A thread on a tanning bed in a home?

And Rcade, if I want advice on who does, and who doesn't own a tanning bed, the last person I'm asking is some douchebag from Florida. Have you ever lived north of Georgia?

I doubt too many Floridians own a Parka and a fur lined hat.

One of the mysteries of life:

Scottsdale has one or two tanning salons in every shopping center. I'm pretty sure the sun shines there.

SNOWBILLY ALERT!!

She resembles the Spears family white Trash!

Yes - Many people can relate to her because she is mostly hillbilly like common Folk.

BUT - We want IVY League BETTER OBAMA for President!

Have you ever lived north of Georgia?

I lived near Peoria, Illinois, for a year in the mid-'90s.

Some people who don't think this matters sure are getting worked up about how it doesn't matter.

Remind me again how many times Kerry's windsurfing came up in 2004 as an example for how he didn't engage in normal American pastimes, and this showed he wasn't a real American like Bush.

Some people who don't think this matters sure are getting worked up about how it doesn't matter.

Remind me again how many times Kerry's windsurfing came up in 2004 as an example for how he didn't engage in normal American pastimes, and this showed he wasn't a real American like Bush.

#97 | Posted by rcade at 2008-09-16 08:57 AM | Reply

I think people are simply rubbing your silly noses in the fact that this is how far you've fallen. A front page dedicated to lame Palin criticisms while your boy is falling in the polls.

You should be embarrassed for putting a thread about a tanning bed that she bought with her own money on the front page.

As for Kerry...Who said he wasn't a real American like Bush because he windsurfed or that it wasn't an american past-time? You seem to have held on to those criticism (which I think you just made up) for an unhealthy amount of time. Is that what all of the lame Palin threads are about? Rcade wants to avenge Kerry? Too fucking funny.
Don't play stupid, the criticism was because he was so fucking transparently trying to look like a "real" guy. Like the hunting photo op he did.

" $400 haircuts. "

I believe the haircuts were an issue because of the little adulterer's two America's spiel.

Being very fair myself...I can understand the vanity of using a tanning bed when you are stuck in an office for hours per day and a state where you would get very little sun .
Sarah however does not look an old dried out piece of bacon like Hamilton...so she must use it sensibly.
Glad she did not go for the orange glow like Kerry.
Then you could poke some fun at her.

Do the Palins scrounge for $10,000 worth of dance lessons?
How many sun tanning booths can be bought with $10,000 a year?

You fucking clowns are desperate.

Rcade,

The thing is, you clowns aren't ripping her as engaging in abnormal behavior.

You are claiming that she's financially irresponsible for purchasing this thing.

You are claiming that she's a shitty mother for purchasing this and then directing disappointment toward her daughter for a $30 wax-job.

The purchase of tanning beds for your home isn't common at all.

I didn't say it was common. I said it was MORE common than $400 haircuts.

Furthermore, regarding Kerry's windsurfing...

That was a publicity stunt as much as anything. Just like Mondale (or was it Dukakis?) riding in a tank. Kerry wanted people to know he went wind-surfing to make him sound cool. Palin hasn't done this.

You clowns are ridiculous.

Superficial and sexy sells. What can I say? Now if all you outraged righties want to put your money where your mouths are, let's talk about the something I think, and I'm sure you'll agree, is very relevant:

"Once Elected, Palin Hired Friends and Lashed Foes"

"The purchase of tanning beds for your home isn't common at all.

I didn't say it was common. I said it was MORE common than $400 haircuts.
#101 | Posted by JeffJ at 2008-09-16 09:13 AM"

How do you know?
Oh, right, lava lamp and tanning bed sales champeen of Lower Iskabibbil.

Given that democrats have gotten so desperate as to be scrutinizing the purchases of a VP candidate, I'd like someone to say how much "spending money" the candidates are allowed to have so we can start holding Obama and Biden to the same standards.

How much is Palin allowed to spend on discretionary items per week? $100? $50?

If she paid the bill she's ahead of Biden at this point.

Jeff,

If it was her own money that Bristol spent, I think the same logic applies to her as your say applies to Sarah: it was her money. If she spent gas money on leg waxing, then I guess she would have had to walk, get a ride, work more hours at her job or borrow the money. If it was her money, then it was her choice to spend it as she wanted and then face the consequences.

What Palin was pushing in the article I cited was a down-to-earth, frugal, no frills lifestyle and value system. As I said upthread, installing a tanning bed in the governor's mansion, where she didn't even spend that much time, belies the myth she has been trying to create.

How much is Palin allowed to spend on discretionary items per week? $100? $50?

#104 | Posted by JOE at 2008-09-16 09:21 AM | Reply

$10,000 worth of dance lessons don't count towards that allowance do they?

Gal,
Perhaps you'd like to comment on that? Michele said times were tough, and that she understood. She offered the $10k in dance lessons as an example of how she was part of the club that's struggling.
Did you start a thread about that hypocrite?

"A front page dedicated to lame Palin criticisms "
101

I posted two stories about this....I don't recall it ever making the front page.

You should be embarrassed for putting a thread about a tanning bed that she bought with her own money on the front page.

101,

I'm not embarrassed I started it. I had a lot of fun posting in this thread, something I thought you of all people would have appreciated. :-)

Did Bristol perhaps have the Brazilian wax, and maybe that's what got Levi so excited he forgot to pull out?

(No, I won't bring "the children" into it...)

Did you start a thread about that hypocrite?

No, 101, I left that to you and your cronies.

In my original post, which RCade edited, the irony of Palin owning a tanning bed while her running mate has had several bouts with skin cancer was emphasized. Her declaration of Cancer Awareness Week, with mention of the dangers of tanning beds, is incongruous.

I'm late to this thread, but I have to state that---Not only is the leg waxing story weird---What's weirder still is that any of us know about it.

Someone thought it was important this bit of family drama was given to the people. So the questions I have are--

1) Was there like an all-nighter where family anecdotes were recorded from the Palins for future propaganda?

2) Did some paid writer just make the thing up?

"You should be embarrassed for putting a thread about a tanning bed that she bought with her own money on the front page."

Hey, whattaya expect? It looks like those stupid, uneducated, foolish, conservatives are gonna elect ANOTHER president and the highly-educated, brilliant, elitist, leftists are getting panicky....sigh. They should appreciate that they were able to get that ONE elected since 1976 (with Perot's help,) don't ya' think? They don't see the irony here...makes ya' wonder who's REALLY stupid.

Palin's tanning bed.... she needs to put it on EEEEEE - baaaayyyyyyyyy (applause)

"the irony of Palin owning a tanning bed while her running mate has had several bouts with skin cancer was emphasized"

How is that "ironic?" She owned and used the tanning bed probably before she ever even met McCain. I also was not aware that you were not allowed to go tanning after you have met someone that had skin cancer. Does this mean that all smokers have to quit after they meet someone with emphysema?

"What's weirder still is that any of us know about it."

I agree. You can blame the rabid, desperate media along with Obama's "operatives" for that.

You can blame Obama "operatives" for that?

Damn. Those must be some kick-ass operatives.Think they hide under Palin's bed?

this is a non-story.. she paid for it with her own money. and I'm not a palin fan.. there's more substantial things to criticize her for...

t

Does this mean that all smokers have to quit after they meet someone with emphysema?

It would if the smoker declared stop smoking cancer week.

It seems joe just can't stay on actual entire issue of the posting.

Those sinister Obama operatives are everywhere!

Did some paid writer just make the thing up?

An online news site named NarcoNews got a tip about the tanning bed, reported the story after it checked out as true, and then Alaskan state official Roger Wetherell confirmed the story when the rest of the media came calling.

You are right, Joe, the real irony is that she issued that Cancer Awareness message while owning her own tanning bed. Hey, maybe she didn't use it but just bought it for show? You know, so that she could be one of the people. . .

The bias from the left on Palin is at the same time shocking and funny. Shocking because in their reckless abandon to destroy a working woman and her family they have show themselves as the superficial hypocrites they are. The democratic party, with their allies the liberal media and their half-witted friends in Hollywood have trampled everything they claim to be democratic values, compassion, womens rights, empathy for the working class to name a few. Funny because the more they open their mouths to attack Palin the rank and file democrats see the party for the hypocrites they are and the higher McCain travels up in the polls.

To quote an excerpt of an article from the William Crystal.

By the end of the week, after Palin's tour de force in St. Paul, the liberal media were so befuddled that they were reduced to complaining that conservatives aren't being narrow-minded enough. Thus, Hanna Rosin--who has covered religion and politics for the Washington Post, and has also written for the New Yorker, the New Republic, and the New York Times--lamented in a piece for Slate: "So cavalier are conservatives about Sarah Palin's wreck of a home life that they make the rest of us look stuffy and slow-witted by comparison."

Amen Billy, Amen.

can't a person want to end cancer and have their tan or their smoke too?

"Much has been made this year about how the fundamentals favor the Democrats. An unpopular Republican president, a war that has dragged on beyond the limits of public tolerance, a declining number of people identifying as Republicans and a worrisome economy all set the stage for the Democrats to reclaim the White House.

While citing these factors, Rasmussen Reports and many others have not often pointed out another fundamentalthe difficulty Democrats have in attracting a majority of the popular vote."

Have you ever wondered why?

"Since 1860, the year that Abraham Lincoln became the first Republican president, only three Democrats have won the White House with a majority of the popular vote. Each of the threeFranklin D. Roosevelt, Lyndon Johnson, and Jimmy Carterwere aided by extraordinary circumstances.

Roosevelt was elected during the depths of the Great Depression. Johnson was elected less than a year after he assumed the presidency following the assassination of John F. Kennedy. Carter was elected in the immediate aftermath of Watergate, a time that makes even the current challenges faced by the Republican Party seem tame by comparison.

For a while, it appeared to many that Barack Obama might be able to expand the traditional limits of Democratic appeal and break through the 50% ceiling. But despite all the polling done by Rasmussen Reports and others this season, he has not yet broken through that barrier."

OK....back to the important issue of the tanning bed.....hee hee hee.

This just in:

Barack Obama owns a Juice Tiger!

OK....back to the important issue of the tanning bed.....hee hee hee.

Not half as important as "Obama doesn't need a tanning bed" hee hee hee

BTW has anyone seen Biden. I keep looking for him to show up on a milk carton.

Like I said before - given that democrats have gotten so desperate as to be scrutinizing the purchases of a VP candidate, I'd like someone to say how much "spending money" the candidates are allowed to have so we can start holding Obama and Biden to the same standards.

How much is Palin allowed to spend on discretionary items per week? $100? $50?

Biden is the one that needs a tanning bed. Next to Obama he looks like he has on white pancake make-up.

I would like to recommend that all those who are bored, insulted, outraged, etc. by this topic mosey on over to this thread, started by Corky:

"Conservatives Turn On McCain-Palin"

You are right, Joe, the real irony is that she issued that Cancer Awareness message while owning her own tanning bed. Hey, maybe she didn't use it but just bought it for show? You know, so that she could be one of the people. . .

#122 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2008-09-16 09:46 AM | Reply

Is the irony of Joe Bidens son being a lobbyist more or less ironic than Palin owning a tanning bed before she ever met McCain?

Is the irony of Joe Bidens son being a lobbyist more or less ironic than Palin owning a tanning bed before she ever met McCain?

Both are less ironic than the anti-lobbyist McCain having his entire campaign run by lobbyists. How many are there again? I lost count.

"Both are less ironic than the anti-lobbyist McCain having his entire campaign run by lobbyists. How many are there again? I lost count.

#133 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday"

You're fooling yourself if you think Obama's campaign hasn't been funded, at least in some respect, by private donations from lobbyists.

Some say that this story is irrelevant, but it reinforces that a.) Palin is dumb as a rock and b.) Conservatives are shortsighted morons who sacrifice the long term for a quick boost.

Yes, because we all know that one conservative owning a tanning bed shows all conservatives to be shortsighted morons who sacrifice the long-term for a quick boost. How many liberals own tanning beds?

You're fooling yourself if you think Obama's campaign hasn't been funded, at least in some respect, by private donations from lobbyists.

#134 | Posted by Kinger at 2008-09-16 10:20 AM
**

Oh, here is one.

Sen. Barack Obama
Lehman Brothers - $365,922 in contrabutions since 1989

Oops and another one.

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Campaign Contributions, 1989-2008

Obama, Barack Dem $126,349 $6,000 $120,349

Yes, because we all know that one conservative owning a tanning bed shows all conservatives to be shortsighted morons who sacrifice the long-term for a quick boost. How many liberals own tanning beds?

How many liberals have sacrificed long-term skin health for a quick tan? I don't know. Probably a lot. Just like a lot of conservatives. The real question, now that you have conflated the issues and misrepresented what Knowstoomuch said, is how many liberal governors own tanning beds and have decreed Skin Cancer Awareness Month in their states?

Yesterday, Obama declared how we are in "the most serious financial crisis since the Great Depression."

Today he will host a dinner in Beverly Hills --- costing attendees $28,500 dollars each!

"The real question, now that you have conflated the issues and misrepresented what Knowstoomuch said, is how many liberal governors own tanning beds"

Knowstoomuch didn't say anything about conservative governors. He said conservatives, period. Talk about misrepresenting.

I've been called a "girl" or a "she" about 500 times in the last two days, even when my arguments ranged from factual to plain ugly and abusive.
We can't win because the republicans decided we can't win, and they're a little more willing to(and better at) lying to the public shamelessly.

* * * *

Cheer up Missy, and direct a little faux outrage at your fellow lefties who throw Nazi epithets around at people who disagree with them.

I like thinking about Sarah's body all naked and tan - without tan lines.

yeah.

Good grief, Palin buys a $1500 tanning bed and there is unease and outrage among Dems, while Gore travels about in private jets, polluting the environment, and champions legislation that would exempt the rich from enduring any consequences from his environmental protection proposals, and is cheered. Heck, Gore will buy "carbon credits," and continue to be an outstanding polluter, while "conforming" to the law that protects special interest people, such as himself.

Thus spake Gore, "Do as I say, 'plebian.'" Maybe Gore can learn some medieval speech forms, and properly address we varlets. And you Dems can pay tribute to and adulate your nobility, liege lords, who are exempt from strictures that apply to you lower classes. It's remarkable the way "the self-described "party of 'the people,'" venerates its leaders, and chooses elites to follow.

Gosh, Palin indulged herself with a used $1,500 tanning bed paid for with her own money, and there is consternation among the lefties because ... . Well, just because. Tough. Be agitated.

"Gosh, Palin indulged herself with a used $1,500 tanning bed paid for with her own money,..."

A USED tanning bed!? Her OWN money? This is way too big to overlook! Damn, that does it! I'm voting for Hillary...I mean Biden...oh, hell that OTHER guy, whatshisname. I bet HE doesn't have a used tanning bed.

Knowstoomuch didn't say anything about conservative governors. He said conservatives, period. Talk about misrepresenting.

That's right, Joe, he wasn't talking about conservate governors, but if I read him correctly he wasn't talking about tanning beds either as your post suggests.

Johnson, you seem to be confusing amusement with consternation. Carry on.

Damn, that cost a bundle. How can the state ever pay for that?

Lets see who's dumber someone who owns a tanning bed or someone who has taken cocaine, smoked marijuana, and continues to smoke cigarettes until this day?

Yep, Obammy is dumb as a sack of hammers and still stammers without his teleprompter. Didn't he get the surgeon generals report?

"if I read him correctly he wasn't talking about tanning beds either as your post suggests."

What else would he have been talking about with regard to "sacrificing the long term for a quick boost" in a thread about tanning beds?

How do you know?

#103 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Economics, Starvis.

3 $400 haircuts equals the cost of a used tanning bed.

The further south we travel, the less tanning beds are in demand. The further north we travel, the more they are in demand.

Going further, do you retards decry her owning a tanning bed, or simply using one?

An awful lot of people use tanning beds at spas, and whatnot. At some point, the cost of incremental rental usage exceeds that of the total cost of ownership. If Sarah Palin wants to maintain a semblance of a tan, it is more frugal for her to purchase a used bed, than to go to the spa. Going further, since her favorite form of excersize is running, other workout benefits that a spa might offer as part of a package are of no benefit to her.

This woman has cast a spell on all of you retards. I have never seen any group of people so reflexively hateful in my entire life. She hasn't been in the spotlight nearly long enough to generate anything remotely akin to the degree of seething hatred that you douchebags (and the media and lefties in general) display on a continual basis.

"Going further, do you retards...

...you retards.

...you douchebags (and the media and lefties in general) display on a continual basis.

#149 | Posted by JeffJ

Awwwwww. Somebody pissed in Jeff's cereal.

Awwwwww. Somebody pissed in Jeff's cereal.

#150 | Posted by nullifidian at 2008-09-16 12:44 PM | Reply

Pretend you really care and start a thread about it.

I'll do that after you start a thread about Boyd, Herm, or Doc.

Null,

I invoked the words "retard" and "douchebag" because they were perfectly apt descriptors of the shit that the 'I hate all things Sarah Palin' crowd were spewing.

If the shoe fits, and all that.

"If the shoe fits, and all that."

Yeah but the shoe doesn't fit. Maybe if Palin had showed a little humility instead of sneering and snarling in her convention speech, she wouldn't have received the animosity she's gotten.

At some point, the cost of incremental rental usage exceeds that of the total cost of ownership. If Sarah Palin wants to maintain a semblance of a tan, it is more frugal for her to purchase a used bed, than to go to the spa.

At some point having a private jet for the governor and her family is more frugal than billing the state every time the governor and her family fly, especially if that same private jet was used to transport prisoners. Even though she sold the jet at a loss, I don't think the frugality tipping point on that one has been reached yet..

And actually, Jeff, I was wondering the same thing in the razors versus wax debate. Waxing is more expensive, but the results last a lot longer. It may be more fiscally responsible to wax than to shave. It's certainly a time saver and a lot more sexier.

All this is, of course, said tongue-in-cheek.

Oops--a lot more sexy!

Also, raising one's risk for skin cancer may prove less than prudent or frugal in the end.. Oh, well. Ain't America great? You can do what you want. Declare Skin Cancer Awareness Month from the governor's mansion one minute and then walk down the hall and jump into you very own tanning bed the next.

SNL and Maureen Dowd ought to have a field day with this. But, I digress, there are more important things to discuss. Let's try this:

At some point having a private jet for the governor and her family is more frugal than billing the state every time the governor and her family fly,

Which is akin to saying that the total cost of ownership on a BMW 7 Series is LESS than exlusively using public transport.

TOTAL COST OF OWNERSHIP:
Acquisition cost
Depreciation
Maintenance
Jet fuel
Pilot and support staff pay
Storage
Airport and airtraffic control usage fees
All applicable taxes

Not to mention, the opportunity cost loss of NOT having that $2.7 million in liquid assets that could be invested elsewhere and earn interest.

You are delusional if you believe what you just typed.

Even though she sold the jet at a loss

She didn't sell it at 'a loss'.

Just like cars, airplanes lose value over time and usage. If you bought a Ford Taurus today for $27k and sold it 2 years later for $18k, you didn't necessarily sell it at a loss.

Null,

Yeah but the shoe doesn't fit. Maybe if Palin had showed a little humility instead of sneering and snarling in her convention speech, she wouldn't have received the animosity she's gotten.

The animosity started WAY before her convention speech, and you know it. Don't be disingenuous. The attacks were viscious and they were nasty, and YOU expect her to get up there and say, 'thank you sir may I have another.'? That may work for the appeasement-politics of the candidates you adore, but I prefer someone a little tougher.

The animosity started WAY before her convention speech, and you know it. Don't be disingenuous.

Most of the country didn't know who she was before her convention speech.

"Declare Skin Cancer Awareness Month from the governor's mansion one minute and then walk down the hall and jump into you very own tanning bed the next."

I still don't necessarily think that's hypocritical. To satisfy the governor's request to be "aware" of skin cancer, one need only become aware of it. Perhaps she is already aware of the risks but chooses to tan in the face of those risks. Perhaps her point was that it's better to do that than to tan without knowing there is a risk of cancer in the first place. I don't think there is anything related to having a "skin cancer awareness month" that involves boycotting tanning beds or clamoring for their being made illegal. I guess I'm just wondering where the hypocrisy is so long as she was aware of the risk herself.

I just thought of a title I could have used for this thread: Baked Alaska: Palin's Tanning Bed.

From Palin's Skin Cancer Awareness Month announcement:

Melanoma the deadliest form of skin cancer kills one person every hour in the United States and is the third most commonly diagnosed form of cancer among women ages 25-45 and second most commonly diagnosed form of cancer among men of this age group. Skin cancer is caused, overwhelmingly, by over-exposure to ultraviolet radiation from the sun and from tanning beds. It is largely preventable. In fact, 95percent of skin cancers are preventable if we properly protect ourselves from UV rays. Eighty percent of ones lifetime sun damage occurs before age 18. It is imperative that we instill sun safety behavior among our children at an early age and thus incorporate sun safety education in our public educational system. The Cancer Crusaders Organization, an award-winning nonprofit skin cancer education facility and the proud home of the National Skin Cancer Awareness Symbol, strongly urges all Americans to become proactively engaged in efforts to protect children and young adults from this common, yet preventable, disease.

The Organization further asks for the enthusiastic and proactive support of our educators, health professionals and leaders to support initiatives and other such efforts to encourage sun-safe practices among our community, and thereby significantly reduce skin cancer incidence and mortality throughout the United States and thus improve the overall quality of life.

Maybe she was planning on teaching tanning bed safety programs in the schools.

Most of the country didn't know who she was before her convention speech.

She was introduced to the public 6 days prior to her speech.

A day before her speech, after the absolute thrashing she took in the media, Odds-makers started taking bets as to whether or not McCain would Deep-6 her as a running mate.

The number of people who did or didn't know her is irrelevant to my point - the attacks were immediate, they were unprovoked and they were viscious.

When Nancy Pelosi posed for a photo while holding her grandchild, the press hailed her as the quintessential multi-tasking mom and Grandma. Ditto for Joe Biden when he became a widower. Obama? Nary a question raised about he and Michelle's ability to raise their 2 young daughters given that they both work full time.

Throw a Conservative Republican mom into the fray though, and the gloves came off. Big time! And this ALL happened BEFORE her big convention speech.

"That may work for the appeasement-politics of the candidates you adore, but I prefer someone a little tougher. "

Yeah, someone who won't "blink". Just great, an Alaskan Annie Oakley who shoots from the mouth about going to war with Russia. Now that's--to use your insult de jour--retarded.

Baked Alaska: Palin's Tanning Bed.

That would have been funny.

You are delusional if you believe what you just typed.

As I said at the end of that post: "All this is, of course, said tongue-in-cheek."

Yeah, someone who won't "blink". Just great, an Alaskan Annie Oakley who shoots from the mouth about going to war with Russia. Now that's--to use your insult de jour--retarded.

Whatever.

Your original comment was this:

Maybe if Palin had showed a little humility instead of sneering and snarling in her convention speech, she wouldn't have received the animosity she's gotten.

I pointed out that the animosity occurred well before her speech. So, obviously, you focus in on a little jab I threw in at the end, because your 'point' was proven to be, well, pointless.

Okay - I'll concede that Palin is just another "do as I say, not as I do" politician. Whether that makes her worse than anyone else has yet to be proven.

Jeff,

I truly believe that if Obama had picked a liberal version of Palin, family situation, experience level, etc.all being equal, the exact same things would have happened, only in reverse. I know that you know this too, deep in your heart.

"All this is, of course, said tongue-in-cheek."

I thought you were just referring to the comment about razors vs. waxing.

Mea Culpa.

Jeff,

Not that the fact that both sides do, or would do, it is any excuse. I'm just saying.

"If she is this irresponsible with her own family's finances, I don't want her anywhere near the budget of this country."

What-the fuck-ever!

A tanning bed? What is that, about $1000? Spitzer wouldn't have even touched a hooker that only charged a G.

But the faux-outrage is awesome, nonetheless.

I imagine Spitzer liked his girls waxed and tan, so he would have given Palin props for the tanning bed but not for being so stingy about waxing.

Stop all the non-sense!

The tanning bed wasn't for her! It's for her "kill of the day"!

Keep an eye out for "Hockeymom 'Moose Jerky'"!

As for the item, she paid for it herself. Even Amazon sells one, and it's about a third of the price of one of JohnKerry's bikes and probably costs less than a few months of Michelle's private trainer.

The Democrats are really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really desperate.

#14 | Posted by LonewackoDotCom at 2008-09-16 12:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

Well, since you want to go after potential first-ladies, how many FakeBake Beds could Cindy McDrugAddict have bought with her quarter-million dollar earrings?

Keep an eye out for "Hockeymom 'Moose Jerky'"!

Don't mess with moose jerky or blood sausage. You don't know what your missing.

Sarah paid for a tanning bed? Oh no, there might an ethics investigation by the NY Times.

You guys are really struggling to find things on her aren't you?

Just hoping if you throw enough at her eventually things will stick...

This has to be a top 5 non-issue thread here... might even be #1.

Fucking bitch wants to look good... clearly not qualified.

I'll do that after you start a thread about Boyd, Herm, or Doc.

#152 | Posted by nullifidian at 2008-09-16 12:52 PM | Reply

Bill, spare me your deflections. Kicking Boyd, hermie, Starvis, and any number of other posters around still won't compare to your blatant stalking of Joe and sniping at JeffJ.
Your skin is nearly as thin as Alexandrites, which is saying quite a bit.

For complaining about rock throwing as often as you do, one would assume you'd quit throwing rocks. Crazy, isn't it?

"still won't compare to your blatant stalking of Joe and sniping at JeffJ."

Give me a break. You're the one obsessed with Boyd, his handles, his mom, etc. I don't stalk anybody, unless you're now classifying retorts as stalking. Talk about thin-skinned.

"You guys are really struggling to find things on her aren't you?"

I agree it's a non-issue, Rob. As much as a non-issue as Obama allegedly calling Palin a pig, or Obama's flag pins, etc. It's the silly season.

Give me a break. You're the one obsessed with Boyd, his handles, his mom, etc. I don't stalk anybody, unless you're now classifying retorts as stalking. Talk about thin-skinned.

#180 | Posted by nullifidian at 2008-09-16 03:03 PM | Reply

Seeing as though I taunted Boyd about his mommy for a span of less than 24 hours, and you've been chasing "Rightwing Joe" for years, I'd hardly say they are comparable.
Are you purposefully being crazy? I mean how can you seriously compare the two?

Here's where Null Set claims he doesn't stalk me again. There was a period of time where I hadn't been here for months and Null Set was still bringing my name up in threads. What a fucking loser.

"Are you purposefully being crazy? "

Are you? You bring up Boyd's other handles every day. Who cares? I was never one to trash that Lokisfur guy for multiple handles. Who knows why people make alternate handles. Sometimes it's to avoid being stalked by some loon. Whatever.

As for Joe, I no more stalk him than he stalks me. We snipe at each other. Big fucking deal. I criticize him for the content of his posts, not his handles.

" What a fucking loser."

What a crybaby. If someone posts a retort to your bullshit, it's stalking.

Oh shit, I just responded to Joe! That makes me a stalker!

"If someone posts a retort to your bullshit, it's stalking."

No it isn't. Normal back and forths are one thing. The way you used to bring my name up constantly, and follow me from thread to thread was pathetic. Apparently you've found something else to do with your time. Good for you.

"The way you used to bring my name up constantly, and follow me from thread to thread was pathetic. "

Stop crying. I never followed you from thread to thread. You're not that important. Get over yourself.

I'm not crying. If you're going to lie about your stalking, I'll call you on it. Simple as that.

Whatever.

Who cares! This story just shows you how SCARED the lib Democrats are. She paid for tanning bed with her own money.

Obama has $28,000 a plate fundraisers in Beverly Hills. Hillary spends several hundred dollars on each haircut. John Edwards spends over $1,000 for a haircut. Get used to saying Vice President Palin libs!!!!

At least her tan looks a hell of a lot better than the one Kerry had.

Oh, who cares. If I lived in Alaska I'd want a tanning bed, too. It's probably healthy. Besides, she paid for it.

Palin is vulnerable but attack her where she can be taken down.

Come one guys, give her a break. Remember, according to recent reports, she needed the bed to treat her depression.

I mean, we want her depression to be cured before she goes to the White House, right?

LOL Midiman! FF for you.

All i can say is at least she was a smart enough GOV to LIVE IN the Mansion! Our state shame of a GOV Rod Blago(D) is so fucking full of himself and ignorant that he thinks the GOVs office is in Chicago!!! FUck i cant understand how people could vote for that asshat! TWICE!

guess they got bigger graveyards than downstate.

Are they really claiming that Sarah!'s tanning bed was necessary to combat depression?

Are they really claiming that Sarah!'s tanning bed was necessary to combat depression?

#197 | Posted by nullifidian

Seasonal Affective Disorder. It's f-ing dark in Alaska in the winter. Makes you want to get in helicopters and shoot things on the ground.

"Are they really claiming that Sarah!'s tanning bed was necessary to combat depression?"

Are we REALLY carrying on for two days in a thread about a used tanning bed?

she bought it with her own money...

Are we REALLY carrying on for two days in a thread about a used tanning bed?

#199 | Posted by jestgettinalong

LOL. funny flag.

These people are grasping at straws because the Republicans who went over to Obama away from McCain have now switched back.

I mean, we want her depression to be cured before she goes to the White House, right?

#193 | Posted by midiman

ummmm.... duh! Depression develops from a lack a sunlight... a situation that happens about once a year in Alaska. LOL. Yes, I am laughing at you.

Note to the Youth of America. Don't ever buy a tanning bed if you're thinking about running for public office.

Maybe we should ask the two-pax-a-day, former cocaine and heroin user Miracle Man Obama about cancer and high-risk behavior, before begrudging an Alaskan a tanning bed.

It seems democrats only have a problem with someone spending money on personal items or engaging in somewhat risky behavior when they are a republican with whom democrats are obsessed - right now that's Sarah Palin. If democrats want to come out and say what levels of personal spending are allowed by all VP and Presidential candidates, as well as what level of risk said candidates are allowed to engage in, it would improve the conversation as those standards could then be applied to all. In the meantime, so long as democrats have no standards and instead become outraged at anything Palin says or does, they come off looking petty and ridiculous.

Well, Joe, I will say this: I don't think John McCain should borrow Palin's tanning bed anytime soon.

Fair enough. And I don't think Biden should be hitting up Barack for a smoke, or for anything else that might cause him another aneurysm.

Yo Nanc. Sounds like you're one of the folks in the cemetary, completely uncaring that our economy is in ruin thanks to the failed policies of Bushman and his compatriots McCain, et al. It is obvious that Palin also is unaware of the necessities of the economy and a balanced budget by her own behavior. Having 1/3 of the state monies from Federal grants and 1/3 from oil revenues held hostage, there wasn't much she had to manage either re: Alaska. Your comments do not reflect the reality of the situation of massive debt, killed soldiers, restricted freedom and liberties, continued threats/distortions/lies and then those folks that follow them blindly like WWII Germans.

Note to the Youth of America. Don't ever buy a tanning bed if you're thinking about running for public office.

#203 | Posted by wisgod at 2008-09-17 10:13 AM

But, you can do a lot of Cocaine and drink a lot of Whiskey and avoid the draft by never showing up to your National Guard Duty unless you "have" to.

Oh, and you only have to be a C student.

enjoi!

Come on people. If there isn't any real news to report, let's just post pictures of our pets or something.

Monster-
re: "Come on people. If there isn't any real news to report, let's just post pictures of our pets or something."

Here's a photo of my dog, with an accompanying article:

:)

Rcade,
And here I thought I was imagining the smell of the Union Stockyears reincarnated when the wind blew out of the Southwest back in the 90's! Here it was you down there in Peoria giving off that awful smell.

No wonder you have such an afinity for Obama, he smells like the Stockyards too, but that is from all of the Bullshit he spews out in a constant stream. Probably learned that from living just Southeast of where the Stockyards used to be for 106 years from 1865 to July 30, 1971 while slaughtering billions of head of cattle, calves. sheep and hogs (Hog Butcher to the World - Swift slaughtered 4 million hogs per year, Armour almost 8 million/year). Nothing worse than a South breeze on a 95 degree day... pew

The part of the Chicago River that passed the Yards was called "Bubble Creek" because of the gasses from decaying livestock dumped into it. To this day, 37 years after the last slaughter, the river STILL bubbles with these gasses! At one time 85% of all dressed meat supplied in the USA originated there...

We need to start listing the reasons not to vote for McCain that have to do with Palin:

1) she installed a tanning bed
2) her staff is friendly to her issues and agendas
3) her kids have funny names

What an evil woman

"We need to start listing the reasons not to vote for McCain that have to do with Palin:"

Yeah, those are the reasons. Tool.

They are some of the ones I've seen threads on. Tool

This is 2008. We know about skin cancer. Is she so delusional she thinks she's immune?

Thanks but no thanks. I want a reality-based President and Vice-President in office.

Roskyn
www.tanningbed-free.info

This is 2008. We know about skin cancer. Is she so delusional she thinks she's immune?

Thanks but no thanks. I want a reality-based President and Vice-President in office.

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How about lung cancer? Ever heard of that? Or is Barack so delusional he thinks he's immune?