Is anyone watching Palin with Gibson? The woman doesn't know what the Bush Doctrine is.

Well let's see what is the extent of Palin's foreign policy experience? Oh yeah she finally got a passport a year ago.

Seriously Palin's lack of curiosity and knowledge of the world is so acute if she threatened to nuke Russia Rawanda or Brazil should be real scared as well.

To blithely answer "Perhaps so" when confronted with the possibility of going to war with Russia over a shithole on their border marks this nutter as truly dangerous.

Well what is NATO for if not to protect the members in it?

Are you guys getting the whole interview or the link with 2 minutes?

"Perhaps so...."

Now, now, Doc---I'm sure Palin was only stressing she'd wait at least fifteen minutes before starting thermonuclear war.

Furio--Obama went to Iraq once--once--until just this past July he made his second trip to Iraq.

Sarah went to Kuwait and Germany after becoming Gov as the AK National Guard was there.

What is your point?

can Sarah pick Iraq out on a map? Can Murphy?

That's indeed the purpose of NATO, Sweetums---And Sarah Barracuda would have a war with Russia over Georgia, of all places.

Ah, the Russians--As Palin mentioned during her interview, you can see a few from Alaska.

"Well what is NATO for if not to protect the members in it?"

Being in NATO just raises the stakes but guarantees nothing. Ask Czechoslovakia about treaty support.

Also Russia is no longer a threat to take over Europe but is now a business partner so NATO isn't as important as it used to be. An attack on Lithuania or Latvia would be far more interesting.

Did you follow the question by Gibson--He asked if Georgia was a member of NATO--would we have to go to war with Russia over attacking Georgia?

You guys are so smart--what is the correct answer? Oh words of wisdom..

"What is your point?"

Palin has no knowledge of anything outside the US and never cared to travel abroad except a year ago when she had to for publicity reasons.

She is not qualified in any way to interact with the rest of the world as a VP is expected to. Obama on the otherhand has demonstrated an obvious curiosity and interest in the rest of world and has shown the ability to interact and be respected on the international stage.

The US is declining in global influence. Much of the US's future will be in diplomatic engagements around the world. Palin has no shown abilities or aptitude. She is from a backwater and has never tried to increase her knowledge. She can't even learn as demonstrated by her horrible academic record.

Yes Murphy we would have to. but they aren't

"Oh words of wisdom...."

Gidget wants Georgia to be a NATO member. Therefore, Gidget would want a war with Russia.

What didn't I understand? By the way---That's a war with RUSSIA.

I swear murphy reminds me of LZK.

I'm afraid to ask MURPHY how she feels about the benefits of a US/Russian war, really afraid.

"You guys are so smart--what is the correct answer? Oh words of wisdom.."

I expect it to anwered by someone more qualified than me not someone who is a self proclaimed redneck ignorant of the world outside of her town of 9000.

The answer, Murphy, is that the entire concept of NATO needs to be re-thought. NATO has become an anachronism. NATO is the reason why Russia is engaged in these acts of provocation. They want to provoke us. We take the bait. Oil goes to $300 a barrel. You see where I'm going?

"You guys are so smart--what is the correct answer? Oh words of wisdom.."

One good answer would've been: I'm not going to address that hypothetical question. We obviously would hope that it wouldn't come to that, and a Bush/Palin administration would use vigorous diplomacy in conjunction with our NATO allies to prevent such a scenario.

That's how someone who is not a bumpkin burgermeister from nowheresville might answer it.

I've mentioned this in another thread, but Gibson was obliged to educate Palin on the Bush Doctrine during the debate itself.

Amazing stuff. If this had been an 8th Grade debate Palin would have lost through forfeiture---Debate coach can't argue for you.

It was obvious that those coaching her had not actually used the term "Bush Doctrine". She hedged, as if he was asking her if she liked Bush or not.

"She hedged...."

What I saw was blankness. Further, I notice the less Palin knows the more she speaks.

I noticed something else---Palin isn't used to interactions where others are free actors. And she isn't used to be being pressured, even in so mild a way as Gibson proceeded.

That's true, Zed, she is one of those.

When in doubt, say "Charlie"

After watching the video the real scary thing is it was obvious she didn't have a clue about what the discussion was about but she wasn't scared. She wasn't blinking fast or stuttering. She is a pure opportunist bullshit artist and has probably always been. dangerous to America

Yes. She is kind of "scareproof". After all, if you aren't afraid of a moose, how could you be scared of Charlie Gibson?

In another era, I'd say she was on a valium/speed combination.

"After all, if you aren't afraid of a moose, how could you be scared of Charlie Gibson?"

Moose hunting with a rifle and a scope at 500 yards is not dangerous. It's shopping.

You want to impress me? Use bow and arrow.

"GIBSON: Do you agree with the Bush doctrine? PALIN: In what respect, Charlie? GIBSON: The Bush -- well, what do you -- what do you interpret it to be? PALIN: His world view. GIBSON: No, the Bush doctrine, enunciated September 2002, before the Iraq war."

Hahahahahaha. What a clown.

GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?

GIBSON: And under the NATO treaty, wouldn't we then have to go to war if Russia went into Georgia?

PALIN: NATO, shmato, Charlie. Holey moley, if the Russkies invated the Peach State I don't think we'd have any choice but to react. I mean, cripes, we can't let them burn down Atlanta. Why, the last time that happened, Clark Gable's moustache nearly caught on fire and Vivian Leigh's hair got singed. That won't happen in a McCain-Palin administration, you bet your booties. Yup.

My thoughts about this disastrous Palin interview is the woman might be taught to think her way out of a paper bag provided someone first taught her what a paper bag was.

My thoughts about this disastrous Palin interview is the woman might be taught to think her way out of a paper bag provided someone first taught her what a paper bag was.

#31 | Posted by Zed

In order to teach about paper bags-she'd have to be taught what paper is....

She's an ignorant pos who shouldn't be any where near the levers of Government-especially at the Federal level.

This woman is an insulated ignorant moron. A petulant child with an overblown sense of self importance.

We've had 8 years of that. Enough.

Alexz sure does hate women, she needs to get a grip on that and come to terms with what her mother put her through.

Forgive your mother Alexa, you don't need to hate women.

Why are you stalking Alex, Rex?

You should pray for Alexa too, Bill. His hatred of women is alarming.

If you have any concern for her well being, engage her in private conversation about this self directed misogyny.

I know that is a cause you champion.

Her* hatred of women. My bad.

I watched this interview. My God, her stupidity is scary. She is the 2008 version of GWB. A person you maybe want to have a beer with, so let's put them at the head of our nation. God have mercy on us.

And Obama believes there are 57 states. Now THERE is true stupidity.

It was really refreshing not to hear a lot of umm....., uh....I, I, I.....

57 states was a gaffe, dummy.

She's a freaking crusader terrorist. Trying to double speak her way out of some very disturbing comments.
McCain just wants to be involved in WINNING a war. ANY war.
And you want these nut jobs to rule this nation?
Control of our nuclear weapons?
It would be safer to live in Poland- after the abm shield is in place.

Palin looked nervous (for good reason), and Gibson, who'd probably planned to lob softer questions to her looked peeved she didn't even know the answers to the simplest questions. Even fundie pundits aren't giving glowing reviews. She was obviously trying to remember the plethora of simple facts crammed into her head by McCain (and Bush's) people. The complete interview should be even more unflattering. They left a lot on the cutting room floor. If they kept the best parts to air God help us.

Way to go GOP. You couldn't come up with someone who at least had a passport before last year?

PS The third country touted as giving her foreign policy experience, Ireland, was a refueling stop.

Dear Dan Quayle:

You've been redeemed.
You're not the most fucking stoopid veep candidate, ever.

But I've found a presidential candidate who is, Doc. Not a gaff, just sheer stoopdity. He doesn't even know what he was going to say from the beginning of his sentence.

I wonder why she answered a hypothetical question.

She should have simply said Georgia is not a member of NATO yet.

And if pressed.... 'should Georgia becomes a member and if this happens again, then NATO will make a collective decision.....'

But she is the veep and has a resume as impressive as Obama's who is running for the top job.

Now we know why the GOP has kept the lid on Palin. She has credentials to deal with Russia because she can SEE it from some island off the coast of Alaska??? THIS is foreign policy experience to her???!!!! She's a bigger whack job than McBush or Shrub put together! YIKES!

Gov. Palin explain the Bush Doctrine to us.

I'm not expecting a dramatic impact from Palin's ditzy performance last night, but I remain impressed about how really bad it was and think that just two or three more like that will settle the question of this woman's lack of intellect and gravitas forever.

Watching Palin with Gibson, I asked myself a question I often asked myself when watching Bush: "Couldn't even my next door neighbor do better than that"?

The answer is yes, I know dozens of local people that would have been more articulate, poised, and knowledgeable than Sarah Barracuda.

This may be a good time to ask how, really how, such an unqualified woman got as far as she has in life.

This is why we should be disbanding NATO.

"This may be a good time to ask how, really how, such an unqualified woman got as far as she has in life."

We learned recently that Alaska leads the nation in rape and incest. Any more questions??

I spent a year in Shemya Alaska in the Aluetion Chain a few miles from Attu the last island and I only saw Attu a few times because of fog, rain and snow. On a clear day you might see the outline of Kamchatka(Russia) on the horizon. I guest that qualifies me as an ambassador to Russia.

"I guest that qualifies me as an ambassador to Russia."

Posted by bigblackie

Can you get Stoli at a discount?

"How likely would that be...."

How likely would it be that either Russia or the US could win a US/Russia War?

Now, THAT'S the sort of question I'd like to ask a candidate for president. Just for kicks, what do you think Sarah would say?

Russia has already paid over $17 billions in flight money. More to come. Over time, "Russia will pay more" --- Putin is putting up a brave front, but still smarting from the international sting: it will bother him to the rest of his earthly life.

I don't believe either candidate would want war with Russia. As to which could win? Do you really want to find out?

"Do you really want to find out...."

I already know. I want to find out if Palin knows. If you're going to sabre rattle, it's a fair question.

"I don't believe either candidate would want war with Russia."

Of course not, but does one candidate desire a proxy-war??? That is a different question and one that hawks like McCain seem to be all too willing to answer in the affirmative.

i guess palin thinks we are all georgians

lets arch duke ferdinand another world war and kill millions of people

yay for mass death!

going to war with russia? what a moron

"Desire", Danni? Look up the meaning of the word "desire" if you don't know already. I honestly don't believe either candidate "desires" war, no matter what you want to call it.

The point is, of course, not who desires war, but who is stupid enough to blunder into one.

I think we had an answer to that question last night.

"I honestly don't believe either candidate "desires" war, no matter what you want to call it."

John McCain is now considered a neocon by many and the neocons are on record wanting a war with Iraq, it isn't a stretch to far that those who consider themselves as neocons do desire conflicts.
"Make no mistake, there will be more wars."

I take it back: I don't want Sarah Palin to do media interviews. I didn't realize she'd use the opportunity to get us into more wars.

How dumb do you have to be to throw around the idea of war with the next most powerful military in the world? War with Russian would mean (at least) tens of thousands of dead American soldiers.

So let me get this straight; if we act on a commitment, like supporting a felow member of NATO, we are fools?????? What would you do??

Did you follow the question by Gibson--He asked if Georgia was a member of NATO--would we have to go to war with Russia over attacking Georgia?

You guys are so smart--what is the correct answer? Oh words of wisdom..

#11 | Posted by MURPHY

It's not the answer, you apologist tool - it's the utter lack of sophistication and common sense it betrays to actuaslly SAY such a thing in those terms.

Good grief be serious

I swear murphy reminds me of LZK.

#15 | Posted by rastaninja at 2008-09-11 07:19 PM

nah. nanc is LZK. without the / / / /

hillary might be a walking, talking pile of bullshit but palin is bat-shit crazy.

good job rethugs.

Danni, throught the history of this world, you cannot deny that war has been waged in some form or another. How many wars has this country been involved in since its inception? And we are a young country in comparison to most countries. So, I would agree that there will be more wars.

"What would you do....?"

LEDBALL---I think I'd approach the idea of war and potentially millions on both sides dead as something more than brain-dead and knee-jerk reaction.

"That's indeed the purpose of NATO, Sweetums---And Sarah Barracuda would have a war with Russia over Georgia, of all places."

Well she didn't say she would, she said "perhaps." But I love how you denigrate NATO allies based on their size, or their relevance to your life. Maybe when you are the chair of NATO you can determine how large a country must be before they are allowed into the secret club.

History is wasted on Americans as a whole---LEDBALL---In the lead up to WWI all major powers about to lose millions of soldiers asked, "Well, what would you do?"

The simple, common-sense answer was---"Anything else but what you did, you fools".

"Perhaps...."

Palin said "perhaps" we would have a nuclear war over Georgia? Boy, I'm so much more relieved.

"I love how you denigrate NATO allies according to their size...."

1) Georgia isn't in NATO

2) We have no vital interests in Georgia

3) I love Luxembourg

I swear murphy reminds me of LZK.

#15 | Posted by rastaninja at 2008-09-11 07:19 PM

nah. nanc is LZK. without the / / / /

#72 | Posted by hillbillydeluxe at 2008-09-12 10:26 AM | Reply

These 2 "new" guys are discussing LZK...

so, who's new "necksnapper'?

Zed missed the part where she said "We must have good relationship with our allies, pressuring, also, helping us to remind Russia that it's in their benefit, also, a mutually beneficial relationship for us all to be getting along."

It's not the answer, you apologist tool - it's the utter lack of sophistication and common sense it betrays to actuaslly SAY such a thing in those terms.

#71 | Posted by midiman at 2008-09-12 10:26 AM | Re

I'm sure you feel that way about Barry's answer in regards to his answer at the debates about attacking inside of Pakistan...

b...b....bbbbb....but that's different.

"Georgia isn't in NATO"

They will be soon. And the question to Palin was whether we'd go to war with Georgia had they been attacked when they were a NATO member.

"We have no vital interests in Georgia"

So what? The same could be said for a few other countries in NATO. Again, since when are we allowed to violate the terms of the NATO agreement based on how important you think one of the members are?

You are Palin and Gibson asks you to describe the "Bush Doctrine", what do you say?

come on guys
She shot a moose for God Sake
what do you want from her.
She said she can actually see Russia looking from her home state
why do you people hate Alaska so much

She spoke strongly in favor of diplomatic pressure and war as a last resort. Guess you guys missed that part. Or was it edited out of the interview? Could be...I just read the ABC transcript.

"I'm sure you feel that way about Barry's answer in regards to his answer at the debates about attacking inside of Pakistan..."

I thought it made sense then and I still did when George Bush announced that was what he was doing.

what do you say?

What could she say?

If she really represented change she could have denounced Bushco for it's fuck up, but didn't. I would say that she didn't because she did not want to anger the base, but it looked more like she did not know what it was. Either way, she beleives it.

After all it was God's will that we invaded Iraq. Now that is change.

Her lack of understanding of what exactly the Bush Doctrine was speaks volumes of just how unqualified she really is.

More change. Another unqualified leader in the whitehouse. At least Cheney knew what was going on.

Anamerican,

Bush also has said that. Too bad he does not beleive it.

To blithely answer "Perhaps so" when confronted with the possibility of going to war with Russia over a shithole on their border marks this nutter as truly dangerous.

#4 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis
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Really, how do you think we got the rest of the world into the war on terror? There is a article in the NATO charter that says "an attack on one of us is an attack against all of us." It goes on to say if one NATO member is attacked then we will all rush to aide them in the fight.

Lonnie

I'm sure you feel that way about Barry's answer in regards to his answer at the debates about attacking inside of Pakistan...

b...b....bbbbb....but that's different.

#83 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Nope - not even close. Obama was correct, and little W is doing exactly as Obama suggested.

Across the border raids into Pakistan in the pursuit of known terrorists vs a European-theater all-out war with Russia?

Gee ... hard to decide.

726, I see you have been following the eroious reports on Palin's comments about God's will. Her words were more that she prayed that what our country was doing was within God' will. What a difference a few words make. Don't believe me? These are her words:

Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God,-- she exhorted the congregants. Thats what we have to make sure that were praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is Gods plan.--

The AP version:

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin told ministry students at her former church that the United States sent troops to fight in the Iraq war on a task that is from God.--
Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God,-- she said. Thats what we have to make sure that were praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is Gods plan.--

Whats missing from the APs version? Right the beginning of what she said, the part that makes clear shes not asserting that were doing Gods will but simply praying that we are. Its the difference between me saying McCain will win-- and I pray McCain will win.-- The first is an assertion of fact/secret knowledge, the second is an expression of desire/hope. The AP actually stoops to picking up the quote mid-sentence to make it better fit the stereotype of the holy-roller yokel claiming divine inspiration for Bushs Crusade.

"It goes on to say if one NATO member is attacked then we will all rush to aide them in the fight."

Which is exactly why it is irresponsible to allow Georgia and other former satellites of the USSR to join NATO. We are not the policemen of the world, we need to concern ourselves with our own hemisphere. American machismo drives our foreign policy under Bush/Cheney or McWar/Palin and is a dangerous game that will make the consequences of Iraq seem small in comparison. AT least let us have one Democratic administration to repair the economy and rebuild the military before any more neocons continue their New World Order agenda.

One good answer would've been: I'm not going to address that hypothetical question. We obviously would hope that it wouldn't come to that, and a Bush/Palin administration would use vigorous diplomacy in conjunction with our NATO allies to prevent such a scenario.

#19 | Posted by nullifidian at 2008-09-11 07:28 PM |

Bush/Palin?

Was that a mistake or just saying there's no difference between McCain and Bush anyway?

Now we know why the GOP has kept the lid on Palin. She has credentials to deal with Russia because she can SEE it from some island off the coast of Alaska??? THIS is foreign policy experience to her???!!!! She's a bigger whack job than McBush or Shrub put together! YIKES!

#50 | Posted by DawnGlo
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As opposed to Obama who has only been to Iraq 2 times? Who has spent less than 2 years actually participating in the Senate and then decided he was more than qualified because a. he was a public organizer and b. he was a 1st term senator? Please, go sell that somewhere else because I've seen the book value on that one and it ain't worth sh*t!

Lonnie

Nope - not even close. Obama was correct, and little W is doing exactly as Obama suggested.

Across the border raids into Pakistan in the pursuit of known terrorists vs a European-theater all-out war with Russia?

Gee ... hard to decide.

#92 | Posted by midiman at 2008-09-12 11:02 AM | Reply

It's a little hard to suggest doing something that had been being done for at least a year or two prior. Wouldn't you agree?

But of course somebody like you wouldn't admit that Hussein clumsily used the debates to sound tough to the american people.

I'm interested in how you sycophants believe that Barry some how came up with that "foriegn policy" tid bit though. I often see you fools suggesting that W somehow took Barry's advice.

It's a little hard to suggest doing something that had been being done for at least a year or two prior. Wouldn't you agree?

But of course somebody like you wouldn't admit that Hussein clumsily used the debates to sound tough to the american people.

I'm interested in how you sycophants believe that Barry some how came up with that "foreign policy" tid bit though. I often see you fools suggesting that W somehow took Barry's advice.

#97 | Posted by 101Chairborne

You do know that McCain called Obama "naive" for proposing these raids, right?

My comment about W was not a serious one, chair, and you know it. Nice try, though.

BTW : Do you know that factcheck.org is criticizing the McCain campaign for distorting one of ITS stories? You HAVE to love that.

"It goes on to say if one NATO member is attacked then we will all rush to aide them in the fight."

Which is exactly why it is irresponsible to allow Georgia and other former satellites of the USSR to join NATO. We are not the policemen of the world, we need to concern ourselves with our own hemisphere. American machismo drives our foreign policy under Bush/Cheney or McWar/Palin and is a dangerous game that will make the consequences of Iraq seem small in comparison. AT least let us have one Democratic administration to repair the economy and rebuild the military before any more neocons continue their New World Order agenda.

#94 | Posted by danni
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Last time I checked, NATO decides who's allowed into NATO not We the people but do try to make the case, I find humor in it.

Lonnie

You do know that McCain called Obama "naive" for proposing these raids, right?

My comment about W was not a serious one, chair, and you know it. Nice try, though.

BTW : Do you know that factcheck.org is criticizing the McCain campaign for distorting one of ITS stories? You HAVE to love that.

#99 | Posted by midiman at 2008-09-12 11:28 AM | Reply

I know what McCain and many other prominent Repubs said in regards to Barry. Politics as usual. Good thing I don't agree with everything the repubs do or say.
I didn't know your comment was in jest. I assumed you, like most of the people on the left that attempt to foolishly forward that ridiculous notion, were serious. My apologies for assuming.

I'm not aware of the factcheck scenario. I'm also not voting for McCain (in case you thought I was some how going to attempt to defend something he or his campaign have done that is clearly wrong or disingenuous).

Whats missing from the APs version? Right the beginning of what she said, the part that makes clear shes not asserting that were doing Gods will but simply praying that we are. Its the difference between me saying McCain will win-- and I pray McCain will win.-- The first is an assertion of fact/secret knowledge, the second is an expression of desire/hope.

There is a difference between Palin praying, "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God,-- she exhorted the congregants. Thats what we have to make sure that were praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is Gods plan" and you praying McCain wins in November. The election is in the future. The war in Iraq had been happening for a number of years and was continuing. She said, pray to sway God's will to make sure it is in line with what we are already doing and pray that God sends us a plan for how to execute the war successfully. Palin didn't say, "Let's pray for guidance to determine whether the war is part of God's will." She didn't assert last night that the war was wrong in the first place. She said blunders had been made. In other words, the plan wasn't good, but the task of going to war with Iraq wasn't questioned. I really don't think she was praying as Lincoln did to be on God's side. I think she was praying that God was on our side, after the fact. Many religious leaders here and world wide disagreed with her when the war started, and they disagree with her now.

She did the same thing when it came to the pipline: assume it was God's will to have one, then ask that ask people to pray that His will be carried out:

I can do my part in working really, really hard to get a natural gas pipeline, about a $30 billion project that's going to create a lot of jobs for Alaska. [but] I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that,-- she said.

She didn't say, let's pray to see if it is God's will to have a pipeline.

In Palin's defense she thought Charlie was talking about Georgia the state, you know Scarett and Rhett and all.

Gal,
What do you make of the below comment?

This Saturday's South Carolina primary could make or break Barack Obama's presidential aspirations. The Illinois Senator was interviewed by phone on Monday by Beliefnet politics editor Dan Gilgoff....

..."The prayer that I tell myself every night is a fairly simple one: I ask in the name of Jesus Christ that my sins are forgiven, that my family is protected and that I am an instrument of God's will. I'm constantly trying to align myself to what I think he calls on me to do. And sometimes you hear it strongly and sometimes that voice is more muted.

I have no 15-16 yo sons coming of age.

Bring them ruskies on!!!!

Cheney's response to Palin saying Perhaps...

"So?"

Zed? Hello?

Gal,
Is it only bad when Palin talks of Gods will? I'm not sure how many times Obama has invoked God, God's will, etc, but I'll bet it's more than just the one example I've provided.

The difference is that Obama is not stating what God's will is. When he says "It's God will that my healthcare plan be implemented in the US...." then we have an apples to apples comparision.

I think Obama is full of shit when he talks about religion anyway. He just isn't quite as creepy about it as Palin is.

"...and that I am an instrument of God's will."

Gee Sully, I don't know. It appears to me that anything Obama does or says would be God's will, or at least he prays that it will be.

"Last time I checked, NATO decides who's allowed into NATO not We the people but do try to make the case, I find humor in it.

Lonnie"

We the people elect our president who then becomes the most powerful member of NATO. Hawks like McWar would happily encourage other members to accept Georgia, Ukraine or other former satellites to be invited to become members but the reality may be that if push comes to shove it will put NATO in a position that it does not wish to be in. Especially Georgia, which provoked Russia by going into S. Ossetia, would seem to provacative for other NATO members to want to have any obligations which could be manipulated by Georgia.

I ask in the name of Jesus Christ...that I am an instrument of God's will. I'm constantly trying to align myself to what I think he calls on me to do. And sometimes you hear it strongly and sometimes that voice is more muted.
-Obama

Pray...that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending (U.S. soldiers) out on a task that is from God.
-Palin

So...what's the difference? Obama prays that he is an instrument of God's will, and he says he is "constantly trying to align himself with what God calls on him to do." And that he hears the voice strongly sometimes.

Palin says she prays that our soldiers are on a task from God. Which sounds weirder to you? I'd argue that someone who thinks HE is exercising the will of God is a lot creepier than someone who hopes our troops are backed by God and that what they are doing is his mission.

Danni,

It is the advisor to Carter that has been the largest promoter of Georgia into NATO....

"It appears to me that anything Obama does or says would be God's will, or at least he prays that it will be."

If you are praying to be an instrument of God's will then you are acknowledging that it is possible that you aren't one.

But if you just say "It is God's will that we build this pipeline", then you are claiming to speak for God .

I personally find the latter much more offensive although I've already said that I think Obama is full of crap when he babbles about faith.

" I'd argue that someone who thinks HE is exercising the will of God is a lot creepier than someone who hopes our troops are backed by God and that what they are doing is his mission."

But you're switching around what Palin has said about Iraq. She called it a task that is from God. As if God conceived that clusterfuck, which is utterly retarded. And how could that kook possibly know that anyway?

Obama is at least leaving room for doubt by saying he is "trying" or "praying" to be an instrument of God. That at least acknowledges that must maybe he isn't. He's still a phoney but at least he's a slightly more humble one.

"If you are praying to be an instrument of God's will then you are acknowledging that it is possible that you aren't one."

He also says that God calls on him to do things. You don't think that's a little fucked up?

Danni,

Then become president and exert your will then. Others might not see it your way.

I know Obama should have just consulted McCain for accurate comments since he said something about it on vacation then had to come back and agree with John McCain on the issue.

Lonnie

"She called it a task that is from God."

No she didn't. She said the following:

"He also says that God calls on him to do things. You don't think that's a little fucked up?"

Yes. That is pretty much exactly like saying God wants you to build a pipeline.

Joe - this is the way I've heard the Iraq quote:

"Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God," she said. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan."

"
Danni,

It is the advisor to Carter that has been the largest promoter of Georgia into NATO....

From 1995....
www.foreignaffairs.org

Today.....
www.kavkazcenter.com"

I didn't know that but I do know that Clinton too was in favor of bringing the former Soviet states into NATO, I don't agree with him either. I see it as us putting ourselves in a precarious situation, far too far from home, and difinitely none of our business. To be honest I don't know Obama's position on all of this. I hope he is pragmatic and agrees with me but I noticed he wavered when Russia invaded Georgia, not his greatest moment IMHO.
He should have told McCain that he doesn't speak for all Americans especially considering the fact Georgia struck first in S. Ossetia.

Sully,

The yahoo and AP articles clearly cut out the beginning of her sentence if you do a search for the whole quote, or if you watch the videos available on youtube. Though a minor distinction, it does make her seem as though she thinks the war is a task from god, even though really she was just saying that she prays they are being sent on a task from God.

Gal,
Is it only bad when Palin talks of Gods will? I'm not sure how many times Obama has invoked God, God's will, etc, but I'll bet it's more than just the one example I've provided.

When Obama starts saying it is God's will that we get out of Iraq, then I'll worry and put him in the same class as Palin. Not before.

"The yahoo and AP articles clearly cut out the beginning of her sentence if you do a search for the whole quote, or if you watch the videos available on youtube. Though a minor distinction, it does make her seem as though she thinks the war is a task from god, even though really she was just saying that she prays they are being sent on a task from God."

Agreed.

I'm sure you feel that way about Barry's answer in regards to his answer at the debates about attacking inside of Pakistan...

b...b....bbbbb....but that's different.

#83 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-09-12 10:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

Your cheerleading man-boy hero has just done that very same thing, you fucking tool.

McCain - Palin = Endless war

Obama - Biden = Hope, rebuilt infrastructure, strong America

He also says that God calls on him to do things. You don't think that's a little fucked up?

#117 | Posted by JOE at 2008-09-12 12:40 PM

we talkin about duhbya here, wanna be lawyer?

Meanwhile in the real world----russia wants to control all of the artic for the oil and mineral rights. I'm sure the russians will have great and long debates about how to best protect the enviroment and animal life; this is of course after they have threatened a showdown with US Canada Norway etc. Wake up, US & Nato are being pushed around as we speak.

Did anyone check the comments by Obama and Russia?

He condemned Russia (although it was his third trip to the mic while on vacation) and agreed with McCain.

War with Russia?

Is there anyone here that is for the US going to War with Russia? It's lunacy!

I can tell you this, it will change your way of life forever, that is, if you survive.

Meanwhile, Venezuela and Russia will be conducting joint Naval operations in the Carribean this November.

Let's turn up the fear factor and elect Rethuglican's. Everything they've touched has turned to shit, but just give them one more chance.

She talked tough for an ally of the US and NATO.

Obama did the same thing.

It's only the left with the vapors that are accusing her of saying she says we are going to war with Russia.

"if you survive"

You won't.

you go girl

Palin said she supported NATO membership for Ukraine and Georgia -- a move Russia strongly opposes. She also said the United States must be "vigilant" about larger powers invading small democracies.

Sarah, what the hell do you mean, the "United States must be vigilant?"

Yup, it's true, a NATO pact theoretically means we'd defend little countries the Russians might want to gobble up as they reconstitute the heady days of the USSR.

What's the Soccer Mom to do when Putin starts playing a serious game of "Risk"??

Launch missiles? Send aircraft carriers to force Russia to back down? This is starting to sound like the first ten minutes of "The Day After", a film that surely brought us all nightmares back in the early 80s.

"Would you be ready to go to war if Russia invades Georgia?", Gibson asked. Palin paused for one second, and blurted with a slight smile, "Perhaps so."

Lets face it, if Russia wants to rebuild the USSR, we have two choices. Whine about it or engage in a serious game of "Global Thermonuclear War." Economic sanctions won't do much to pressure Russia which is another new oil rich country. They don't hardly sell anything that people want besides weapons and vodka!

Sorry, girl. You're not ready. You're making me nervous. You and McCain? Shall we start building basement fallout shelters again?

Note to self. did you see the the pix of Sarah in a swimsuit with AK-47? Yeah it's a photoshop. It's funny until Charlie Gibson starts asking her questions about the Russians!

And McCain too. I don't see either one of them reminding me of JFK during the Cuban Missile Crisis. But yes, I can see Barack Obama calling Putin on the phone and asking him bluntly and personally, if he really wants to risk everything.

I don't see McCain calling Putin at all; I just see the cocky fighter pilot pretending he's "Maverick" and heading for a sortie in the sky. I don't want to even THINK of what Palin might do.

Everybody knows she's (Palin) only "the face."

Lieberman is the "advisor" to McCain, he just can't make it known "publically."

AIPAC has both sides covered.

don't phuck with Putin, hockey mom.

he ain't Saddam.

If the voters don't reject McStank and PailofShit then America would deserve the resulting misfortunes. I don't believe this scenario will happen. Obama will win over enough undecided voters to clinch the win.

You'ld hope Governor Bunny Boots would have the humility not to threaten global war in her first interview.

Be afraid, be very afraid.

Where the hell are the real republicans I grew up with?

I don't see either one of them reminding me of JFK during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Yeah, JFK did a great job on the Bay of Pigs. Pull the air support at the last minute while the american trained cubans are landing on the beach.

And JFK did a great job getting us into vietnam.

"Well she didn't say she would, she said "perhaps." But I love how you denigrate NATO allies based on their size, or their relevance to your life. Maybe when you are the chair of NATO you can determine how large a country must be before they are allowed into the secret club."

Forgive me I am not familiar with your background. Have you ever fought in the United States military? No one wants to fight for some small shitty country because it is not worth it. I think the Democrats should ask McSame and Gidget what they think about bring back the draft.

"Global war...."

I think it's all just words for her. I'd like to ask her if she's ever seen a dead person.

Did anyone check the comments by Obama and Russia?
HAHAHA. He wants to let the UN security council deal with it. Didn't Ohmama know Russia has veto authority on the security council? I guess not which proves he is an empty suit.

All talk no results.

To be honest I don't know Obama's position on all of this.
Neither does he, the polling numbers aren't in yet.

I've just gone through this thread again. The number of posters who seem to find nuclear war something they feel not only be possible but a natural outcome of US foreign policy scares the hell out of me.

Let's put it this way---Palin seems to think war is something that hurts other people---Never her and never us.

The same neocon attitude has been firmly in place since 2002 or 2003. I'd have thought people were a bit tired of it by now.

"You'ld hope Governor Bunny Boots would have the humility not to threaten global war in her first interview."

Presumptuous little trollop isn't she?

This is one of those great political divides---God help me not to be one of those people who thinks that war is a sort of video game that can be walked away from when it's no longer amusing.

I just have to get these points out about Palin's interview with Charles Gibson last night. I just caught parts of Palin's interview but when I heard her say these points last night my jaw literally dropped to the floor, especially for this first part of Palin's answer about her willing to go to war with Russia --

And we've got to keep an eye on Russia. For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable," she told Gibson. Russia invaded Georgia after the ex-Soviet republic invaded the separatist region of South Ossetia. ...

The leader of Georgia went into South Ossetia and bombed and fired upon and killed amost 2,000 Russian residents of South Osettia. Thousands of South Ossetians (many who held Russian passports) fled for their lives into Russia. Palin's own quote says Russian invaded Georgia AFTER Georgia first attacked South Osettia so what is she talking about?

Georgia attacked FIRST and Georgia was the one who "provoked" the fight, not Russia! Putin responded back by moving Russian forces into South Osettia to stop the carnage and yet Governor BunnyBoots said Russian invaded unprovoked! She has absolutely no qualification to run for the second highest office in the land.

If I knew that Georgia was the one who provoked that conflict by attacking first sitting here in California then WHY would she lie and say Russian attack unprovoked? She either lied or she's too stupid to know what happened. One or the other.

NEXT, Palin sounded like a fool when she said she had "foreign policy experience" simply because Alaska borders on Russia. Well, then why not make ME Vice President. Using Palin's weird logic, I too have lots of "foreign policy experience" because my State of California borders on the foreign country of Mexico and I've been to Mexico many times.

LASTLY, right wing local talk radio here in L.A. was trying to spin it as though Charles Gibson was talking to her in a "too fatherly and condescending manner" and "would never have talked that way to a male candidate."

The talk radio host (whom usually I agree with on almost everything as he's usually so fair and right on the point) also said Gibson should not have asked Palin about the "Bush Doctrine" because no one knows what he's talking about when he only says "Bush Doctrine" instead of "pre-emptive strikes." Huh?

Bush will forever go down in history famous for HIS ONE and ONLY doctrine -- the infamous "Bush doctrine" of pre-emptive strikes -- which means we are the first to attack another country who never attacked or threatened us which is what he did with Iraq.

The Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive attack means even though another country never planned on attacking or invading us, we will still attack them first anyway "just in case" we think maybe somewhere down the line that country might attack us.

THAT is the sole definition of the "Bush Doctrine" and it will always mean the use of pre-emptive first military strikes against a country who did not attack us first. There was no other way to interpret the meaning of the "Bush Doctrine."

How Palin could not have known what was meant by the "Bush Doctrine" or who started the conflict in South Ossetia so she's willing to go to war with Russia for God's sake -- this gal needs to pick up her mukluks and head north -- ASAP. Stay home with your babies, Sarah, you don't have what it takes for this job.

Sarah the Conqueror, the Great White Dope from The North, thinks she can take on the Russkies exactly why? Because she can see Russian tundra from Alaskan tundra?

Sarah should not be so shy - why not "perhaps" threaten China also ???

How else would you fix Russia, they know we are tied up with the middle east. So we can't do anything.

Contrast the 2 Gibson interviews. And remember which is on the top of his party's ticket.

Nuff said.

#39 | Posted by anamerican

Thank you anamerican.

After comparing those 2 videos, I know I'm doing the right thing by voting for Obama.

He at least has a little humility and he knows he doesn't know everything. That means he will be willing to listen to opposing views on what needs to be done for this country. Instead of the view of the cowboys--all hat, no horse, which got us into this mess in the first place.

I'm tired of the "shoot first, ask questions later" type of government we've had

For those who don't know, Russia and China are America's two biggest financiers.

We get BILLIONS from both of them each year. The high price of oil has given Putin an enormous amount of cash.

If you still think Russia is the broken machine of the late 80's/early 90's, think again.

They have built a massive military over the years and war with them won't be something you sit and watch on TV. All our asses will be in the fight. Think about that before you scream for all out war.

Has anyone noticed in Charlie Gibson's interview that Palin speaks as if she is talking to a child? Like a kindergarten teacher.

Let's read the excerpts that landed on the cutting room floor--

You get dizzy from spinning so much, Murphy? The Tundra Trollop didn't have a clue as to whether there even was a "Bush doctrine."

If you want to see what the REAL interview was ...not the edited version that ABC played you can read it here.

"What's the sense of signing an agreement for mutual defense if a nation will back out of it when the time comes.....?"

What's the use of such an agreement if fulfilling it willl almost inevitably entail a choice between backing down and nuclear war?

FOSHAFER---I'm afraid to ask this, but do you think defending Georgia is worth up to 160 American dead?

God save us from "realists".

That would be 160 MILLION American dead. In your opinion, expert that you are, what's Georgia got that we need to pay that price for it?

"Think of any other VP candidate that's received this sort of scrutiny....?"

Wrong question. The right question is: Can you think of any other VP candidate that's been shown to be this nasty this quickly?

"So you can crack as much as you want on Sarah...."

Thanks, And you know, I have a feeling we're not even 10% finished uncovering what a bully and a loon she is.

" 160 American dead? "

That many?
They'll all be dead soon enough anyway.

"They'll be dead soon enough anyway....."

True. But they don't need Barracuda and FOSHAFFER shuffling them along prematurely.

I killed a barracuda at Tektite with my spear gun.

"I killed a barracuda..."

What was it's bust size?

Zed,

If you are not willing to risk the lives then you should not sign the agreement.

But - if you do not stand up to bullies - they will continue to push and take until SOMEONE steps up to them....that is why NATO was formed in the first place.

And remember it will not be one sided. You act as if America was this weak country that could not defend itself against a Russian attack.

Freedom means that you have to stand up to those who will take it from you..either within your own country - which is what Obama stands for - or a Putin what wants to control the Oil pipeline that supports Europe.

To defend it means you have to have someone with Testicals - and it looks like this women has bigger ones than you do.

I wouldn't sign the agreement. Yes, such a war wouldn't be one-sided at all, but that just makes it worse.

FOSHAFFER---I recall the Cuban Missile crisis. Curtis LeMay had your general view on the Russians at the time, and he had Kennedy's ear.

If Kennedy hadn't been the very wise man that he was and ignored LeMay, your daddy and mommy would likely have died in 1962. Therefore, and just think of it, no you.

And for all of you who are just as ignorant as the media on NATO - IT REQUIRES member nations to support (go to war) if any other nation is attacked.

Sorry I missed the part where Georgia was part of NATO.

I swear murphy reminds me of LZK.

Perhaps but the ankles don't quite get up as high.

Zap - read the interview. The question was IF Georgia was Part Of Nato. That is where all this comes from.

And Zed - Read your history - Kennedy's diplomat in Russia led Kruschev to believe that we would not make an issue out of Cuba if he did not make an issue out of ours going into Turkey.

In addition his failed "Bay of Pigs" adventure pushed the Cubans closer to Russia in the first place.

Kennedy make the mess - and almost got us (and them) killed. He was far from "wise" in that his first marriage was to a Russian spy.

So before you trot out Kennedy you need to read the full story..not the made up mythology that the Dems trot out on him.

For Palin to suggest the notion of going to war with Russia is pretty idiotic...& anyone who see it that way probably is, too...which is why gw is President ~ right?:>)

Campaign of lies disgraces McCain

This nation is facing real challenges on the economy, health care, jobs and the ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. There are significant differences between how Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. John McCain would address them. But McCain's recent campaign ads suggest the most vital issues are whether Obama wanted to teach sex education to kindergarten children and whether he derided the Republican's running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, by talking about lipstick on a pig.

So before you trot out Kennedy you need to read the full story..not the made up mythology that the Dems trot out on him.

#176 | Posted by foshaffer

you mean this story?

Shortly before President John F. Kennedy was murdered in Dallas, Texas, he made certain statements, any one of which would align powerful antagonistic forces against him:
1) He would eliminate the CIA,

2) He would issue Treasury greenbacks (which dont pay interest) in lieu of financing government deficits through the Federal Reserve, and

3) He spoke against empowering the state of Israel with nuclear capability.

Anyway you want to slice it Clearly McSame / Palin is the War Ticket.