Yeah, well, if the gays get in then everbody gets raped.

You better join up then.

This is my rifle.
This is my gun.
This one's for killing.
This one's for fun.

I can't speak for the other services, but the Air Force barrages us with all sort of "No, means No" messages on TV, radio, posters, and so forth in our deployed locations. Sadly, it still seems to happen and the offenders spend time in Leavenworth.

Did you know that Obama was a community organizer just like Jesus Christ.

"Like" Jesus Christ? Are you not aware that he is the Second Coming?!

Well this just goes to show you that women should be on more patrols.

The libs obviously believe he is the second coming. What I personally think is hilarious is how congressional Democrats are freaking out as Obama's campaign faltersGibson tried his best last night to roast Palin with his typical condescending attitude and Palin handled herself extremely well. Obama is in real trouble in the polls and the Dems know it things should get real interesting around here.

Well this just goes to show you that women should be on more patrols.

I'm still trying to figure out what this means?

"Palin handled herself extremely well."

You need to adjust your set.
The sound's obviously not working.

Why are Palins poll numbers so high then...

I'm still trying to figure out what this means?

#9 | Posted by IraqiBukkake at 2008-09-12 08:44 AM | Reply

It means that if they were doing the dangerous work the ratio would change.

Tick tock tick tock tick tock...

Well of course. Men don't see women as a threat, or feel they even BELONG in combat, so they use them and toss them aside. Killing them would actually be LESS dominant then raping them and letting them live. I'm gonna.. have to quote myself here...

"And in other news, the sun came up today. People shoved pieces of paper around in the stock market, producing nothing yet making money doing it, thus further devaluing our currency. Lindsay Lohan snorted some coke. Jerry Garcia is still dead. Nintendo sold some Wii systems today. A dog took a crap. Someone's cat ignored them.

Oh I'm sorry, I thought this was a thread for pointing out the obvious.

Posted by soheifox at 2008-09-04 04:13 PM | Reply"

duh

women are not in combat

1 woman getting raped is more than dies in combat

this is a loaded stat

The only times we ever saw female soldiers or "airmen" was when we jumped (there were female riggers and some AF chicks around Pope AFB).
Occasionally you'd run in to some at the Main PX or some military schools.
As you can easily imagine they were always flanked by dudes trying to impress them. Even the god awful ugliest amongst them had dudes hanging all over them. To say that the chicks thought they were something special would be an understatement.

We did have quite a few foriegn chicks deployed with us in the Sinai, and the situation was similar.

I can't imagine a time or place that a rape could happen and go unnotticed. Obviously it happens, and in no way am I saying it doesn't or can't. I just have to wonder how many of these "sexual trauma" incidents are rape, and how many are unwanted attention or harrassment.

(A buddy of mine needed a jump to get his airborne pay, and there was one available. It just so happened it was on a day that was the anniversary of the first female jump, and in commemoration they had all (or as many as they could get) of the female paratroopers on a bunch of flights. When he was boarding the plane they all hooted and hollered at him and made a big show of it. The irony escaped nobody I imagine).

I wonder what percentage of non-military women that have been cat called or sexually harrassed is?

palin is an idiot

she wants to go to war with russia

It means that if they were doing the dangerous work the ratio would change.

This makes no sense, but I'll play along.

Why would men stop raping women if they were doing more dangerous work? Or is it that your really not concerned about how many women are getting raped, you're only concerned about the rape metric?

160k women have served in the various theaters in the "War on Trrrr". 15 percent of that is 24k. There have been roughly 4000 males who have died in OIF. The ratio based on this synthetic metric is still 6 to 1. Is that an appropriate sexual trauma ratio?

Just like the question "How do we define winning in Iraq?" that doesn't get answered, let me pose another that won't get answered.... What is an appropriate amount of sexual trauma in Iraq?

Wrong thread, kliff. I think this is the one you want:

Why would men stop raping women if they were doing more dangerous work?
What is an appropriate amount of sexual trauma in Iraq?

#18 | Posted by IraqiBukkake at 2008-09-12 09:54 AM | Reply

I think you're missing the obvious here bucko. If more women were on patrols and doing the dangerous work then more women would be KIA, there-by changing the ratio. Did that actually need to be explained twice after the initial statement?
The appropriate amount in Iraq? Who knows. It's the definition of "sexual trauma" that boggles my mind. What's the appropriate level in the USA?

The Associated Press reported in July that of all the women who have visited a VA facility after serving in Iraq or Afghanistan, 15 percent of them screened positive for military sexual trauma.

"That means they indicated that while on active duty they were sexually assaulted, raped, or were sexually harassed, receiving repeated unsolicited verbal or physical contact of a sexual nature," the report said.

Why would men stop raping women if they were doing more dangerous work?

That's not the point.

The quoted statistic is the same as a headline that reads: "most people behind the wheel in a car wreck have a driver's license" then asking why a having a driver's license makes the operator of a vehicle more dangerous than someone who doesn't have one.

Women being raped while serving in the military is just another good reason why women should not be in the military at all except behind the lines, in separate units, and as nurses.

Feminism is responsible for this problem. Women and men are different in the real world.

The only times we ever saw female soldiers or "airmen" was when we jumped (there were female riggers and some AF chicks around Pope AFB).
Occasionally you'd run in to some at the Main PX or some military schools.
As you can easily imagine they were always flanked by dudes trying to impress them. Even the god awful ugliest amongst them had dudes hanging all over them. To say that the chicks thought they were something special would be an understatement.

We did have quite a few foriegn chicks deployed with us in the Sinai, and the situation was similar.

What are you saying here? Even ugly chicks get attention here so it's OK to be sexually traumatized?

I can't imagine a time or place that a rape could happen and go unnotticed. Obviously it happens, and in no way am I saying it doesn't or can't. I just have to wonder how many of these "sexual trauma" incidents are rape, and how many are unwanted attention or harrassment.

In a report in 2006, Col. Janis Karpinski reported on an increase in deaths due to dehydration because women would not drink water at night for fear of having to use the latrine and putting themselves in situations where they could be raped. Imagine, our military personnel afraid to use the bathroom for fear of rape. So what happened when these dehydration deaths started occurring?

'"And rather than make everybody aware of that - because that's shocking, and as a leader if that's not shocking to you then you're not much of a leader - what they told the surgeon to do is don't brief those details anymore. And don't say specifically that they're women. You can provide that in a written report but don't brief it in the open anymore."

For example, Maj. Gen. Walter Wojdakowski, Sanchez's top deputy in Iraq, saw "dehydration" listed as the cause of death on the death certificate of a female master sergeant in September 2003. Under orders from Sanchez, he directed that the cause of death no longer be listed, Karpinski stated. The official explanation for this was to protect the women's privacy rights.'

This is one example I pulled up from 2 minutes of google search.

I wonder what percentage of non-military women that have been cat called or sexually harrassed is?

The more appropriate comparison would be how many non-military women have been cat called or sexually harassed while on the job.

The military should issue heavy-duty chastity belts for the gals, with defense mechanisms that harm the junk of the wannabe-rapist.

If more women were on patrols and doing the dangerous work then more women would be KIA, there-by changing the ratio. Did that actually need to be explained twice after the initial statement?
The appropriate amount in Iraq? Who knows. It's the definition of "sexual trauma" that boggles my mind.

Ok...so your issue is with the ratio, and the definition.

"That means they indicated that while on active duty they were sexually assaulted, raped, or were sexually harassed, receiving repeated unsolicited verbal or physical contact of a sexual nature," the report said.

Is this appropriate on the taxpayer dime?

What's the appropriate level in the USA?

Iraqi,
Discussing this with somebody as thick as you is a waste of time. First I had to explain the most obvious point 2 times. Now you expect me to answer your question about a point I never made and that nobody in their right mind could confuse?
Finally, you ask me a question that I just asked you at 957am?

As for women not drinking at night for fear of getting raped on the way to the bathroom, I call complete bullshit. Common sense says this is complete and utter bullshit. First and foremost, if you stayed hydrated during the day you wouldn't need to be drinking water at night. Not to mention it's fucking cold in the desert at night.
Also, who in their right mind believes a person armed with a pistol or M16 fears being raped. As you probably don't know, you don't go anywherw without your weapon in a combat zone.

Go sell crazy some other place.

That last line should have been quoted...

My response is comparing the general population to a select group funded by the taxpayer is apples and oranges.

2 minutes of google searches shows your Karpinski story is full of holes and completely unbelievable.
I had to go through 4 pages of obscure whacko websites parroting the story before I laughed and clicked on one.

There was no E8 female that died at the time of the Karpinski "Report in 2006" (look up and find out a little more about that "report" dummy. It was a mock trial by some freakishly ridiculous anti-war/human rights losers.)

How long does it take to dehydrate in the cool desert night? How did nobody notice the deteriorating performance of these "dehydrated" females? An E8 (that we both know didn't exist) doesn't just mill around with nobody noticing her weakened state. You don't die of dehydration overnight.

You're an embarrassment.

"palin is an idiot ... she wants to go to war with russia" #17 | Posted by klifferd

GIBSON: And under the NATO treaty, wouldn't we then have to go to war if Russia went into Georgia [if Georgia was a member of NATO]?

PALIN: Perhaps so. I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you're going to be expected to be called upon and help.

klifferd, klifferd, klifferd. Where ever did you get the idiotic notion that Palin WANTS to go to war with Russia? I posted the exchange above to help you out.

Now you expect me to answer your question about a point I never made and that nobody in their right mind could confuse?

So then your non-sequitur about ugly chicks meant nothing and was used to obfuscate the point. I knew that all along, but I thought I'd humor you. Instead I should have just said you're full of shit. Better?

As for women not drinking at night for fear of getting raped on the way to the bathroom, I call complete bullshit. Common sense says this is complete and utter bullshit. First and foremost, if you stayed hydrated during the day you wouldn't need to be drinking water at night. Not to mention it's fucking cold in the desert at night.
Also, who in their right mind believes a person armed with a pistol or M16 fears being raped. As you probably don't know, you don't go anywherw without your weapon in a combat zone.

Go sell crazy some other place.

What rank were you 101? The reason I ask is because you frequently use your military service and "I was there man" attitude as though it supports your argument. The appeal to authority works both ways...and I think I trust the Colonel who was actually reading the reports than Admiral Chairborne of the 101st keyboardists.

"women are not in combat"

idiot flag

I'd think the reason they didn't want to go to the latrine at night is because it was cold. I think you guys are reaching for excuses rather than facts.

I've been on deployments and there are no areas that rape could happen without half the camp knowing about it. There is no place to have a private moment 99% of the time.

Most of the lefties here, have not served in the military and so they will repeat utter nonsense when it comes to the military. I'm a 20-year veteran of the Armed Forces.

Lonnie

"Palin handled herself extremely well."

You need to adjust your set.
The sound's obviously not working.

#10 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis
I am surprised you admit that doc. I thought she did too.

klifferd, klifferd, klifferd. Where ever did you get the idiotic notion that Palin WANTS to go to war with Russia?

Kliff is a leftbot. He automatically parrots what his sheepleherds tell him to -- and usually right on cue, too. They really like him.

Most of the lefties here, have not served in the military and so they will repeat utter nonsense when it comes to the military. I'm a 20-year veteran of the Armed Forces.

Right on cue... "I was there man."

Admiral Chairborne of the 101st keyboardists.

#31 | Posted by IraqiBukkake at 2008-09-12 10:44 AM |

FF!

So then your non-sequitur about ugly chicks meant nothing and was used to obfuscate the point. I knew that all along, but I thought I'd humor you. Instead I should have just said you're full of shit. Better?

#31 | Posted by IraqiBukkake at 2008-09-12 10:44 AM | Reply |

We've already established your inability to comprehend what is written.

What rank were you 101? The reason I ask is because you frequently use your military service and "I was there man" attitude as though it supports your argument. The appeal to authority works both ways...and I think I trust the Colonel who was actually reading the reports than Admiral Chairborne of the 101st keyboardists.

#31 | Posted by IraqiBukkake at 2008-09-12 10:44 AM | Reply

Don't worry about my information when yours is second hand, flawed, and a proven lie. One doesn't need to be a Col. or a General to know the dehydration story is bullshit. Hell, you don't even need to be a veteran to know that you can't dehydrate overnight, that military personell are armed at all times while in a combat theater, and that it's freezing (at least it feels that way compared to the daytime temp) in the desert overnight.

You trust the Karpinski because she played the fool in front of a leftwing loon mock trial and said what you fools wanted to hear. I'm sure her actions at Abu Grahib make her an impeccable source...

I'm done addressing your craziness until you address the facts and common sensical points I've hit you with (mainly that your Karpinski story blows and so do her points about the non-existant E8).

I think we need to bring in the reformers- Palin can charge these women for rape kits and therapy.

Hey, since when do we allow women in the military?

Most of the lefties here, have not served in the military and so they will repeat utter nonsense when it comes to the military. I'm a 20-year veteran of the Armed Forces.

Right on cue... "I was there man."

#36 | Posted by IraqiBukkake
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Obviously, you lack a good education because nowhere there did I say I was there man.

But feel free to repeat utter non-sense, it's just so liberal leftie that I find it amusing how someone with ZERO military experience can tell us all how being in the military really is without actually having been in. Is IraquiBukkake one of those guys you liberals swears is more intelligent than republicans? If he is, NEXT!

Lonnie

If women were to dress a little more conservatively it wouldn't happen so much.

If women were to dress a little more conservatively it wouldn't happen so much.

#41 | Posted by rastaninja
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Yeah, you know how provactive women are wearing Desert BDU's. They were asking for it hugh? I'm guessing this was sarcasm because civilian clothes are not authorized in a combat zone deployment.

Lonnie

I am suggesting they wear the hajib and keep their sleeves rolled down.

I am suggesting they wear the hajib and keep their sleeves rolled down.

#43 | Posted by rastaninja
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Hmmm so your attempting to say that if female GIs didn't expose their arm, it would keep guys from arousal? Are you serious? You can't be, cause that is the most idiotic thing I've heard today and I've been on Drudge for about a couple of hours.

Lonnie

They would be less likely. If a woman is covered head to toe it acts as a deterrent.

I'm done addressing your craziness until you address the facts and common sensical points I've hit you with (mainly that your Karpinski story blows and so do her points about the non-existant E8).

Sure, I'll address your "points". Your anecdotal stories are relevant, and Col. Karpinski's are bullshit.

Obviously, you lack a good education because nowhere there did I say I was there man.

But feel free to repeat utter non-sense, it's just so liberal leftie that I find it amusing how someone with ZERO military experience can tell us all how being in the military really is without actually having been in. Is IraquiBukkake one of those guys you liberals swears is more intelligent than republicans? If he is, NEXT!

Lonnie

Linky no worky Bukake.

Try to adress your failed points in your own words. There's a crazy idea huh?

palin is an idiot
she wants to go to war with russia

#17 | Posted by klifferd

Klifferd posses little or no cranial capacity to leap to such conclusions, he is upset that Palin's poll numbers prove him wrong yet again. Also Russia as well as Palin should be capitalized but you're an idiot so that is to be expected.

Maybe that's the custom in your country, I don't know. The military is held responsible for the health and welfare of it's troops. You can't put someone in a f*cking desert in 120+ temps and tell them they have to keep their sleeves down.

I don't really think a Hajib and rolled down sleeves would do anything but help her dehydrate 2 times faster than men.

Lonnie

Women shouldn't be even serving in the military.

en.wikipedia.org

Hey buddy...that's you!

Women shouldn't be even serving in the military.

#51 | Posted by rastaninja
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How sexist of you. I'll just bet you believe women should be barefoot, pregnant, at home too.

Lonnie

Linky no worky Bukake.

Try to adress your failed points in your own words. There's a crazy idea huh?

Really, the link didn't work? I just clicked it and it worked...hmm. It's a PDF, did the PDF come up?

I can't read the reports that Karpinski read. Two other soldiers mentioned by name (Mickiela Montoya and Abbie Pickett) in a series of interviews about women soldiers in Iraq while stationed in "generator city" speak of taking knives to latrines with them for fear of being raped by other soldiers. Does it sound like it refutes Karpinski's claim as unfounded? No...sound's to me like it merits further investigation. Certainly doesn't sound like a failed point.

Iraqibukkake,

The link tried to come up but stopped due to an error. However, I'll tell you how the top brass will think about this.

If these ladies felt like they were going to get raped with no factual data to back up those feelings, then the investigation is pointless. You can't prosecute anybody based on a feeling they may have been raped without having facts to back you up. This may fly in certain liberal courts but the "by the books" court's see it differently.

Lonnie

Well this just goes to show you that women should be on more patrols.

#7 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-09-12 08:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

101Turds, are you still acting like the total hypocrite and saying others are 'limp-wristed' ALL WHILE flagging comments made by others towards you?

Don't answer that....I already know. I got the email last night telling me so.

Continue to be a hypocrite because at this point, it must be hard to break such deeply ingrained habits.

"Feminism is responsible for this problem. Women and men are different in the real world."

Vive la difference, as the French would say. And feminism, as Thommy's spiritual leaders have pointed out, was punished by "God" with 9/11 and some number of hurricanes. herm

"What rank were you 101? The reason I ask is because you frequently use your military service and 'I was there man' attitude as though it supports your argument."

Maybe Rcade could find some small reward for any proof that "101" ever really wore a uniform. There's more "mentality" on marine drill sergeants. herm

Really, the link didn't work? I just clicked it and it worked...hmm. It's a PDF, did the PDF come up?

#54 | Posted by Iraqibukkake at 2008-09-12 12:58 PM | Reply

A window popped up but no info, nothing.

Anyway, you can't possibly keep avoiding the fact that there was no female E8 can you?
You can't keep avoiding that your dehydration angle is absurd can you?
You can't keep avoiding the fact that she was at a leftwing loon mock trial, can you?

You, like your proof, are embarrassing.

hermaphrodite,
How much of your social security check are you willing to lose? Just ask yourself if you really like catfood and the embarrassment of being bested by me again.
Rcade can be the judge. I'll give him 100% of the money to donate to any childrens charity of his choice. Put up or shut up old man.

It worked that time.

Chair,

The whole point of this discussion is that you questioned whether or not this is really happening. I should have spent the extra few minutes looking for the GAO report in the first place but didn't, because it clearly covers all the bases without scouring the internet. Though if you must, carry on not seeing the forest for the trees.

hermaphrodite,
How much of your social security check are you willing to lose? Just ask yourself if you really like catfood and the embarrassment of being bested by me again.
Rcade can be the judge. I'll give him 100% of the money to donate to any childrens charity of his choice. Put up or shut up old man.

#60 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-09-12 02:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Herm is still beating that drum? That's pretty stupid. It's easy to prove or disprove military service. I could see if maybe you were in here yammering about all the Black Ops you were on or something, but I've never seen that. All I've seen is Herm constantly flailing about calling you a fake paratrooper and whatnot. You and I don't see eye to eye on shit, but as one ex-serviceman to another... whiskey tango foxtrot, you know? What kind of idiot doubts the service of someone who isn't claiming to be Rambo? Drive it home. Nail him down. Make him take the bet, since he can't stop yammering that stupid shit.

Then again, what can we expect from someone so arrogant they feel the need to sign their posts... like we thought someone else might be posting under Herm's screen name?

SoHe,
There's a small group of tards that post here that like to beat that drum. None of them are interested in losing any money.

IB,
Nobody doubts women get raped or sexually harrassed in the military or anywhere else for that matter.
What I take issue with is you psoting a easily proven falsehood about the dangers of going pee to the point you are attempting to forward the notion that women are dying from dehydration.
It's the silliest fucking story on the planet. Why would Karpinski lie about it? There is no female E8. The story just didn't pass the smell test and you've yet to address that. I've only directly challenged you to do so at least 5 times now and not once have you even tried.

However, I'll tell you how the top brass will think about this.

You don't need to tell me what they think. I read the report, and they concur with the GAO that their policy needs to be reviewed and properly implemented through all the Armed Services, and that the military needs to do improve when doing their due dilligence when investigating these cases.

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Actually, I'm not exactly surprised, you mention cases where the females felt they were going to get raped, then compare that to women who did get raped, and present it by sending us a link to a GAO report. Ain't that swell.

That report has nothing to do with females feeling scared that they would get raped going to the bathroom with no evidence to suggest that they would. I mentioned what most commanders would say in that situation but then you attempted to tie that to a report on verifiable sexual abuse cases which is null and void since the females YOU mentioned were not assaulted in any way shape or form. They felt compelled to carry a knife to the latrine out of fear.

That is a dishonest argument requiring a jump that Evil Knevil could NEVER make.

Lonnie

They felt compelled to carry a knife to the latrine out of fear.

Why? Must have been PMS I guess...

"... the embarrassment of being bested by me again."

Bogus one (Bogus One Oh One), what really interests me is the "again ." In what homosexually-oriented wet dream you you feel that you "bested" me? herm

LOL IraqBukkake. Well if there is no rape attempt or evidence of such things, why does a report on the military Sexual Abuse training/Rape training apply? Come on man, you can't take the boogie man to court because he doesn't exist just like you can't teach the boogie man about sexual abuse/rape.

I think I've made my point just in time to go to work.

Lonnie

Remember that man was made in the image of God, and man evolved from Apes! Yep, you got to be right, Obama IS the Second Coming of Christ, after all he is the spitting image of that poster depicting evolution of the species!

My experience has been that some (a few) women in the service (specifically Army) would take it upon themselves, to get pregnant, to escape Field Duty/training (FTX), and deployments!

It was a common practice and was spoken of by those who were pregnant! I repeat, NOT ALL, some!

Available Counselling includes offering early release of military service (after the baby was born, of course), retention in service, light duty until due date with maternity leave after delivery.

Ther are also mandatory classroom sessions concerning responsibilities of parenthood, taught by civilians from specialty clinics, hospitals also State/county and NG Organizations!

There is consequence instructions/classes concerning rape, incest, and all other jailable crimes, equal to, and exceeding those available in civilian life! They do know the consequences of their actions!

Problem is not repeating the instruction in a timely manner!

Why? Must have been PMS I guess...

#66 | Posted by IraqiBukkake at 2008-09-12 04:10 PM | Reply

Or a lie.
Another post and no response to my challenges.

Why would they need to carry knives when they are issued and expected to carry fire-arms?

There is no female E8.

I stand corrected. There have been no female E-8 casualties in OIF from what I can determine. My point wasn't hyperbole, more to illustrate that there are significant examples...which I could have easily done with the GAO report alone.

Looking for this stuff in between reloading servers clearly isn't the best way to do it and you can fuck up. So...my bad. Nonetheless, there is an issue here based on the GAO report that needs to be addressed.

IB,
I appreciate the ownership of the E8 issue. It makes it hard to be an asshole now.
I never doubted that there are rapes and harrassment. In fact, my main issue is what percent is an actual rape or assault versus simple cat calls and typical harrassment (that any chick at a football game or bar full of guys would see in the states).

They said 15% of all women serving in the GWOT. I think combining the rapes and sexual assaults (I assume that means an ass or tit grab, attempted kisses, etc) with cat calling and repeatedly being asked out is a really shitty way to inflate numbers and have people jump to the wrong conclusions.

Why would they need to carry knives when they are issued and expected to carry fire-arms?

Who knows? If you were assaulted and killed the attacker with your issued firearm, you could be in a very difficult situation with you vs. a corpse. Shank someone and they are more likely to say they "slipped" instead of "this was a result of an uncooperative rape."

Of course this is pure speculation...but that's the game we're playing right now isn't it?

"more likely to be raped than killed"

I'd rather be raped than killed. Of course I'd rather be just killed than raped and then killed. Better still, killed and then raped. Wait...

You can't rape the willing.

You can't rape the willing.

Classic case of "he said, she said" as to whether or not it was willing or rape.

She says she wasn't willing, he says she was.

Which one will be believed? Who knows.

Women shouldn't be deployed in stressful combat areas in the first place.

"Women shouldn't be deployed in stressful combat areas in the first place."

Chrissy baby, NO one should be deployed in combat areas in any place. herm

You can't rape the willing.

Goatse.. did you just call every woman in uniform, a slut? LOL

"You think rape is bad..."

A f'ing nightmare that story. And the lengths the military is willing to go to prevent anyone from finding out the truth. If Johnson's father wasn't a doctor and could see with his own to eyes that they were lying to him....

Did a say this is a f'ing nightmare already?

ought to check out the death of PFC LaVena Johnson.

That's horrible.

I have always said here that people in the US military... specially the Marines... are rapists.

From bases in Japan and Korea we keep hearing about assaults on local women by these people. Of course one doesn't even have to mention the sexual abuse that went on in Iraq... still goes on in Iraq... and the growth of the hooker industry in Afghanistan serving the Americans there.

And if these rapists are ever caught, they only get a slap on the wrist.

I have often run into Americans online who seem a bit nuts... loony (I found them here as well)... and 9 times out of 10, it comes out "I was a Marine". LOL

In fact, see above... a big part of the problem.

Goatse called every woman in uniform, a slut. (Goatse claims to be ex-navy)

Typical attitude that makes rape easy.

I am not saying Goatse is a rapist... hell no. He is most likely a neat guy.

But he did learn this attitude from somewhere and repeated it without thinking.

when you're training people to treat life as if its theirs to take, then how do you expect that some will not treat things that are less sacred than life in the same manner?

I think the training's potential to create rapists , or to bring out the rapist inside, is considered acceptable risk under the circmstances

"I was one of those young captains who got out instead of continuing service with the Army. I served for seven and a half years as an enlisted man, and then went to officer school and served for four more years before I'd finally had enough.

What really got to me was that the officers who learned to keep their mouths shut and play along were the ones moving up the chain. This included officers who were guilty of grievious misuses of their command authority. I saw a company commander recommend that his XO keep his security clearance despite the fact that this lieutenant had sexually assaulted a junior soldier. I saw commanders with absolutely abysmal command skills walking away from deployments with bronze stars and glowing evaluations. There came a point when I realized that I would have to work for these people for the rest of my career, and that thought was intolerable."