Wasilla is Inuit for "crazy white pig"

Brave New World. Oh, by the way, Sarah Palin shot a moose. Guess it was just as well she wasn't sexually assaulted by one.

That's "change" women can really get behind.
Sarah Palin is a woman that doesn't seem to really care about......women.
I hope every single former Hilary supporter that has switched hears this story.

The effect of this policy is to make women much less likely to report rapes. Why on God's green earth would that be important to any one but a rapist?

She found a new revenue stream. You can't fault her for that.

In a related story, Palin wanted to charge rape victims for police time spent on their cases, on an hourly basis.

I wondered when this would hit the Retort. This sums up Savior Sarah perfectly.

Since 1976, Alaska has ranked every year in the top five for rapes, with a rate currently 2.2 times the national average, according to the state's Health and Social Services department.

No money? No rape kit for you! Who cares? You will carry the baby to term and you will LIKE IT!

Hey, only Socialists expect the Government to give a shit if they've been raped. If any of them had been real Americans they would have done their own exam and investigation and then shot the rapist with their handgun.

And then given birth to the baby.

Holy shit! This bible-thumping bumpkin is going to be a heartbeat away? Why not make James Dobson President?

This is a really odd story. I'm getting the strong impression Palin as a general rule faults women for being raped and wants to punish them.

In a way this is funny---I was promising MURPHY last night that Palin is so "colorful" there would be no early end to stories like this.

I wondered when this would hit the Retort. This sums up Savior Sarah perfectly.

Since 1976, Alaska has ranked every year in the top five for rapes, with a rate currently 2.2 times the national average, according to the state's Health and Social Services department.

No money? No rape kit for you! Who cares? You will carry the baby to term and you will LIKE IT!

#7 | Posted by YAV at 2008-09-10 05:52 PM

Yeah. You're right. Sarah Palin personally performed those rapes. Going further, she personally pushed through legislation during her term as governor that not only encouraged rape, but protected rapists after the fact.

This is the type of post that would get BetelG all excersized, if it was aimed at a Democrat.

When did the policy of charging victims start?

Neither article mentions it. It only quotes the police officer as saying "In the past".

Sarah Palin personally performed those rapes. Going further, she personally pushed through legislation during her term as governor that not only encouraged rape, but protected rapists after the fact.
#12 | Posted by JeffJ at 2008-09-10 06:02 PM

You got a link for that?

"Sarah Palin personally performed those rapes....."

It appears she was interested in aiding and abetting rape. I don't put that statement out casually. If you think this policy could have any other effect, have on.

"Just sit back and enjoy it" Senator Packwood (OR-R)

While you're mulling over your response, another question---Did police actually inform rape victims they would be liable for up to $1200 before their investigation commenced?

How many then decided not to prefer charges?

How long will it take before this story proves "false" Boy yoy lefties are really making a name for yourselves

Quit the faux outrage libs. You are on the rapist's side anyway. Especially if it involves a child. Oh yeah here's a link to support claim:

"How long will it take for this story to be proven false....?"

Let's say for the sake of argument that it's true. Make any difference to you at all?

No sexists or homophobes in the McCain campaign...

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
Because her father is Janet Reno."

--John McCain

Apparently this is not unusual for most states in the US. Some hospitals already offer anonymous rape kits, but most states refuse to cover the cost of the exam (approximately $800) unless the survivor files a police report.

Starting next year across the country, rape victims too afraid or too ashamed to go to police can undergo an emergency-room forensic rape exam, and the evidence gathered will be kept on file in a sealed envelope in case they decide to press charges.

The new federal requirement that states pay for "Jane Doe rape kits" is aimed at removing one of the biggest obstacles to prosecuting rape cases: Some women are so traumatized they don't come forward until it is too late to collect hair, semen or other samples.

My goodness, EL CID---Someone really twisted your nads.

"No sexists or homophobes in the McCain campaign..."

Let's not forget McCain's woman-gorilla "joke."

Here's the really interesting thing----Apparently what Palin was doing in Wassila in regards to rape cases was so egregious the Alaska State government stepped in.

"You are on the rapist's side anyway. Especially if it involves a child.
#19 | Posted by ELCIDCE90 at 2008-09-10 06:13 PM"

Did those liberal cops, the liberal D.A., and that liberal judge put you away for a long time?

Damn Doc... Beat me to it...

I managed to dig up this gem from his [John McCain's] 1986 race for US Senate, as quoted in the Tucson Citizen:

"Did you hear the one about the woman who is attacked on the street by a gorilla, beaten senseless, raped repeatedly and left to die? When she finally regains consciousness and tries to speak, her doctor leans over to hear her sigh contently and to feebly ask, Where is that marvelous ape?"

Obama sends 30 members of his tribe to Wasilla, and this is it after a 2 week investigation? Besides, that small hick town run by a small town hick mayor isn't that big of a deal, is it girls?

Poor people don't get raped.

Love,

Sarah Palin

Someone posted above the very high rape rate in Alaska, more than two victims per thousand.

"This is it after a two week investigation...."

That would come out be at least sixteen rapes per year in Wassila. An interesting study would be to compare the expected rape rate with the reported rape rate in that town.

Funny, the quote from the police chief says something about charging their insurance companies or making thr criminal pay. I didn't see anything in the quote about the rape victims actually being forced to pay..

"Obama sends 30 members of his tribe to Wasilla"

Speaks for itself.

I'd be more inclined to believe that Palin had anything to do with this if we hadn't already heard here that her youngest child is actually her daughters kid, or that she tried to ban books, or that she cut funding for special needs kids... and so on and so forth...

Sorry, the left has no credibility left with accusations against Palin...

"Obama sends 30 members of his tribe to Wasilla"

Speaks for itself.

#35 | Posted by nullifidian

Sure it does, but I'm not running for President this year.

Actually, it appears statistically likely there were around fifty rapes in Wassila last year.

WISGOD has discovered Obama is a negro. How quaint.

"Sorry, the left has no credibility left with accusations against Palin..."

Sorry, the right has no credibility left with its hysterical apologetics for Savior Sarah, who is still hiding from the press on Day 12.

"During the first four years that Sarah Palin was mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, the town's police department charged women who had been raped with the cost of "rape kits," the $300 to $1,200 exams necessary to collect evidence of the sex assault."

YEAH!

Big deal! Last weels story!
Everyone already knows wasilla is Full of Sluts!

Sincerely

Eberlyelcid

WISGOD has discovered Obama is a negro. How quaint.

#39 | Posted by Zed

because he said, "tribe?" wouldn't that be Indian, not black

(Feathers Indian... not Dot)

"The Left has no credibility left in their accusations against Palin...."

Palin still lying her ass off about that bridge, Kemosabe?

WISGOD has discovered Obama is a negro. How quaint.

#39 | Posted by Zed

Liar, he's a halfrican.

"Wouldn't that be Indian....""

I suppose he could have been refering to Scotsmen. What strange people.

Well, Rob---You have to admit---This Palin stuff is starting to resemble the Cult of Bush at it's worst.

Sure it does, but I'm not running for President this year.#37 | Posted by wisgod at 2008-09-10 06:35 PM

Neither is Palin, Wisgod.

Palin still lying her ass off about that bridge, Kemosabe?

#43 | Posted by Zed

Lets see...still lying her ass off and hiding for the last 12 days? You poor bastards can't even agree on your story. LOL.

Neither is Palin, Wisgod.

#48 | Posted by anamerican

Don't tell me, tell Barry. :)

Sigh....Palin has national ads out lying about that bridge. I've seen them; I'll bet you have too.

Come clean---Don't care it's a lie or not. Am I right?

"And you trying to portray the Right as being cultist for Palin after standing in line for the last 3 years to suckle Obama's bag is really hysterical...

#45 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole "

Apparently you haven't been reading my posts for the last 12 months. Or you're just a liar.

Why the Ef do lefty DR desparates need to dig up insignificant drivel that they THINK slimes Palin?

Oh yeah! They know what aint gonna be the new sherrif in town is a ***BOINGGGGGGGGGG****

(veiled reference to blazing saddles)

FACT!!!!

Whenever JAMES DEAN appears, suddenly I'm thinking about sausage.

Whenever JAMES DEAN appears, suddenly I'm thinking about sausage.

#54 | Posted by Zed

I think retard... But really so we should care about BO pastor? LOL

FF Zed.

Apparently you haven't been reading my posts for the last 12 months. Or you're just a liar.

#52 | Posted by nullifidian

Oh let me guess... you're just another independent here... right?

d.yimg.com

Yesterday at McCain rally.

#55 | Posted by anamerican
Was it the early bird special? Couldn't tell, sorry.

Thanks WISGOD.

Eat your heart out, chill.

I aint' gots one...

"Oh let me guess... you're just another independent here... right?"

Like I said, you either haven't been reading my posts or threads posted critical of Obama, or you're just a liar. Ask JeffJ about what I've posted about Obama, dipshit.

Well, Rob---You have to admit---This Palin stuff is starting to resemble the Cult of Bush at it's worst.

#47 | Posted by Zed

the "cult of bush" is nothing compared to the "church of Obama."

Leftist have no room to talk about how the Right feels about Palin. Hell we've only been a little high on her for what? 2 weeks? Lefty "men" have been taping Barack's headshot to the back of their wives' heads since the 2004 convention speech...

Like I said, you either haven't been reading my posts or threads posted critical of Obama, or you're just a liar. Ask JeffJ about what I've posted about Obama, dipshit.

#63 | Posted by nullifidian

Yup... nothing but independents and republicans here.

"the "cult of bush" is nothing compared to the "church of Obama."

And neither compare to the cult of Palin, who nobody heard of two weeks ago, and is now the next Ronald Reagan in eyes of her brain dead worshippers.

And Rob BO will last longer. Not say, just saying... Palin will FAde::;;;...........

Null is an = hater;-) Keeps folks on there toes...

say=saying "Not saying, just saying" I feel better.

And neither compare to the cult of Palin, who nobody heard of two weeks ago, and is now the next Ronald Reagan in eyes of her brain dead worshippers.

#66 | Posted by nullifidian

Nullindependent must think nobody but he has had a television or internet access since 2004...

*pfffft*

*pfffft*

#72 | Posted by nullifidian

Ah... touche... I stand corrected...

In the past we've charged the cost of exams to the victim's insurance company when possible. I just don't want to see any more burden put on the taxpayer, Fannon said.

Ultimately it is the criminal who should bear the burden of the added costs, Fannon said.

I think people may be jumping the gun a bit with this. A small town only has so much money, I don't see why it is a big deal to charge the criminal and/or insurance company for the exam. As long as the victim doesn't have to pay out-of-pocket, I really see this as a non-issue.

Yup... nothing but independents and republicans here.

#65 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Maybe all the Independents are black.

Maybe all the Independents are black.

#76 | Posted by wisgod

From the Slapahoe tribe...

So Sarah gets blamed for all the lame laws on the books?

OMG--they spit on the sidewalk--it's all Sarah's fault!!

----------------

Check it out--

If she doesn't start talking to the press BO will define her. He's a dumb fuck for not doing it already. After BO's 2004 speech he was on the scene, but not an intense 10 week blinding spot light. I think there is a difference. He had time to simmer. "The light that burns the fastest, burns the quickest" or some ole shit like that... I think BO messed up in VP choices. To safe...

I think people may be jumping the gun a bit with this. A small town only has so much money, I don't see why it is a big deal to charge the criminal and/or insurance company for the exam. As long as the victim doesn't have to pay out-of-pocket, I really see this as a non-issue.

#75 | Posted by katieberry

$20 million skating rink.... I agree fuck the chicks. I wanna play some Hockey!!!

"Excuse me while I check my lipstick..

#78 | Posted by MURPHY "

You need something, proven liar.

"Excuse me while I check my lipstick..

#78 | Posted by MURPHY "

You need something, proven liar.

#81 | Posted by nullifidian

Speaks for itself.

"Speaks for itself."

Yep. If the shoe fits...

Yes--Chilly--since you brought up 2004--

Here is the one talking about his lack of experience to run in 2008--he said this in 2004.

He's humble. Not a cowbay. Bush turned out all right...

Palin Code Name: 'Denali'
The Trail Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:34:53 PM
By Anne E. Kornblut GREAT FALLS, Mont. -- The Secret Service has selected a fitting enough code name for Gov. Sarah Palin: ...

I thought it was going to be "bebe". Never betting again...

I thought it was going to be "bebe". Never betting again...

#86 | Posted by Chill

I would have guessed you'd bet on "Porky".

More of a Bebe then Porky. If there was some smutty videos out there of her though....

Peace out DR. Going home.

XXX0000 Chill. -Sarah

FF as always for WisGod...

Abortions for some...Tiny American flags for others.

A small town only has so much money, I don't see why it is a big deal to charge the criminal and/or insurance company for the exam. As long as the victim doesn't have to pay out-of-pocket, I really see this as a non-issue.

At the time of the crime, there's no criminal to bill, and some victims might not be insured. If you charge rape victims with the cost of collecting their own evidence, you make it more likely that victims will either (a) not pursue charges, or (b) not pay to collect the evidence, keeping rapists on the street.

It's an atrocious policy. Nothing good comes of it.

New talking points fromn the left, and Donna Brazil was the only name I caught out of the 6 quotes:

Jesus was a Community Organizer, but Pontius Pilot was a Governor. It just doesn't get any better than this!

RCADE and the left wing political hacks have been known to dig through trash dumpsters and ouyhouses for their "headlines".

"Excuse me while I get my lipstick...."

Ma, MURPHY just called me a pig!

Abortions for some...Tiny American flags for others

Eric - if the tiny flag is in the right place, the pregnancy may be avoided.

Sometimes I find it very difficult to understand how Murphy could name her child "Dylan".

Is there somebody other than Bob D or D Thomas I am not thinking of? Was there a Republican Dylan?

At the time of the crime, there's no criminal to bill, and some victims might not be insured. If you charge rape victims with the cost of collecting their own evidence, you make it more likely that victims will either (a) not pursue charges, or (b) not pay to collect the evidence, keeping rapists on the street.

It's an atrocious policy. Nothing good comes of it.

#93 | Posted by rcade

Have any victims come forward who were charged with the cost of the rape kit?

Maybe its just naive of me, but I would hope that if they couldn't get the insurance company to take it or the victim didn't have insurance that they would just eat the cost...

With what seems like weekly rapes in Wasilla you would think at least one would speak out about it... just curious.

Is there somebody other than Bob D or D Thomas I am not thinking of? Was there a Republican Dylan?

#98 | Posted by sitdown

Beverly Hills 90210

Here sitdown. Sleep well.
The boy's and girl's name Dylan d(y)-lan is pronounced DIL-an. It is of Welsh origin, and its meaning is "son of the sea".

At the time of the crime, there's no criminal to bill, and some victims might not be insured. If you charge rape victims with the cost of collecting their own evidence, you make it more likely that victims will either (a) not pursue charges, or (b) not pay to collect the evidence, keeping rapists on the street.

It's an atrocious policy. Nothing good comes of it.

Yes, I agree it's *potentially* a bad policy. If the PD only charged if there is health insurance but otherwise ate the cost, would you have a problem with it?

It appears she was interested in aiding and abetting rape. I don't put that statement out casually. If you think this policy could have any other effect, have on.

#15 | Posted by Zed

she is in essence levying a "pole" tax on the rape victim in order for the police to do their job.. How about using some of the free money you stole from the rest of the USA taxpayers from earmarks and help some of your citizens.

With what seems like weekly rapes in Wasilla you would think at least one would speak out about it... just curious.

#99 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Alaskas rape rate is 2.4 times the national average.

Alaska has six times the national average of reported child sexual assault.

1999 reported 83.5 rapes per 100,000 females compared to a U.S. average of 32.7 per 100,000 females

rural areas disproportionately shoulder the burden of higher rates of rape

60% of sexual assaults are not reported to the police

* Approximately 73% of rape victims know their assailants.
* Only 6% of rapists will ever spend a day in jail.

Biden admits Hillary would have been a better pick for VP than him--

Biden: Hillary a Better Pick Than Me
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ABC News' Matthew Jaffe Reports: Barack Obama's vice-presidential nominee Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., Wednesday said that Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, might have been a better pick for the position than him.

At a rally in Nashua, New Hampshire, a man in the audience told Biden how glad he was that Obama picked him over Hillary "not because she's a woman, but because look at the things she did in the past."

"Make no mistake about this," Biden responded. "Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Lets get that straight. Shes a truly close personal friend, she is qualified to be president of the United States of America, shes easily qualified to be vice president of the United States of America and quite frankly it might have been a better pick than me. But shes first rate, I mean that sincerely, shes first rate, so lets get that straight."

Spokesman Ben Porritt offered this response from the McCain camp: "Barack Obamas most important decision of this election and Biden - the candidate he selects - suggests himself that he wasnt the right man for the job and that Hillary Clinton would have been a better choice. Biden certainly has a credible viewpoint on this."

It makes no sense that the police would charge the victim to collect evidence.

They don't do that when your house or business is robbed.

They don't do that when your house or business is robbed.

#106 | Posted by Proven Liar at 2008-09-10 08:41 PM | Reply

so going by the logic of the left.... if i get shot...and the police need to have the ballistics of the bullet in my body...i can charge the state to remove it....wow my insurance company will be happy to know that

Umm. I see that NONE of you are up on the issues regarding women. Alaska does the same thing everywhere else does. If a woman requests a rape kit but doesn't want the police involved, she's requesting an elective procedure, just as much as a woman asking to have her breasts enhanced. Before you get your bile up, read that sentence again. Then one more time. Even then, she STILL has a chance to press charges. If she does so, then a suit for the cost of her medical care is added to the criminal charges brought against her assailant.

The only time they will ever keep the charge on HER for the kit is if she never brings any charges. I know it hurts to think that a woman might lie about such a thing, but it really IS more common then you'd think. This exists to discourage frivolous civil suits which can somehow pop up regarding a "rape" that nobody ever calls the police for.

When a woman is raped, and actually goes to the police, nobody says a damned thing about the price of the test. Here's a headsup guys, if you get shot in the shoulder and go to the hospital, you or your insurance get billed for it. If someone stabs you in the gut, you or your insurance get billed for it. If you are raped, you or your insurance get billed for it. This is the way it has been. The reason the victim rarely ends up paying for these things is that it is figured into the damage awards. Who else is going to sign for the initial bill, the rapist?

Does this mean that if you get stabbed in the gut and the cops never find the guy, _you_ will be on the tab for paying for your medical care? YES IT DOES AND IT ALWAYS HAS. Sometimes the state steps in and uses part of it's budget to cover your medical care, but they are in no way obligated to.

Headline should read: "Hopsitals bill patients for emergency medical treatment and medical evidence kits." (Which, in itself, really IS kinda crappy, but it is the standard)

Nothing about Palin at all. This has as much to do with Palin as saying "Palin's Town allows snow to fall on people's driveways and town doesn't plow it themselves!"

Null--grow up --

The Dems have picked a rookie with a glass jaw and is melting.

He can't get Sarah out of his head and he screwed up with the pig joke.

You know why?

Because now he lied about it. The crowd knew his joke was aimed at Sarah and that's the truth.

And all of America knows it--he is either stupid or lying or thought it was funny or has a problem with women or all of the above.

It was aimed at Sarah just like the old fish part was aimed at McCain.

It was clever--but it backfired. Red meat for yellow dogs.

He should have known better --but most of the Dem side of the aisle is out of control over Gov Palin.

And Obama is in the lead of the lemmings getting ready to go over the cliff..

"He screwed up with that pig joke...."

MURPHY, why do you persist in spreading that lie in regards to what Obama said? Serious question.

From what I can tell, McCain was looking for a reason to fight and when no immediate cause presented itself, made one up.

I'll put a finer point on it, McCain was looking for some reason to deffenf the littel lady's honor, so made one up.

From what I can tell, McCain was looking for a reason to fight and when no immediate cause presented itself, made one up.

#111 | Posted by Zed

He's getting alot of milage tonight from the MSM for what he made up.

WHups---McCain was looking for some reason to defend the little lady's honor, so made one up.

"Null--grow up --"

I'm not a chronic liar, like you, Murphy. You should stop lying. Are you a Christian?. Why do Christians lie?

Nothing I can do about the MSM, WISGOD---But MURPHY'S here and she appears to think the rest of us are stupid. What's the point of that?

Murph isn't saying anything that I haven't heard on CNN, MSNBC or Fox tonight.

New talking points fromn the left, and Donna Brazil was the only name I caught out of the 6 quotes:

Jesus was a Community Organizer, but Pontius Pilot was a Governor. It just doesn't get any better than this!

#94 | Posted by wisgod at 2008-09-10 07:31 PM | Reply

Sooooo what you're saying is, by extension, Sarah Palin actually ordered the execution of Jesus Christ. I guess that does away with her critics' claim that she has no meaningful executive experience.

I've listened to what Obama said a number of times now. You can't get the meaning out of it MURPHY does.

Sooooo what you're saying is, by extension, Sarah Palin actually ordered the execution of Jesus Christ. I guess that does away with her critics' claim that she has no meaningful executive experience.

#118 | Posted by anton

Noooo, what I'm saying is that it's a stupid comparison, that appears to have been born fron D. KOS.

That is, you can't get that meaning if you: 1) Comprehend the King's English or 2) are honest about it.

I almost feel sorry for McCain.

A quarter century in Washington. Always a bridesmaid, never a bride. Lets Bush and Rove hit all over him AND HIS FAMILY eight years ago. Finally gets the nomination and now plays second fiddle to his running mate.

I've listened to what Obama said a number of times now. You can't get the meaning out of it MURPHY does.

#119 | Posted by Zed

Have you listened to the pundants and their guests on CNN, MNSBC and Fox?

MURPHY's gone into cloister. Woo-woo. However, a lie remains a lie even when you're not confronted on it. Nasty little fact of life you're just going to have to live with.

No, I've listened to no pundits, I've listened to the actual statement. Not good enough?

No, I've listened to no pundits, I've listened to the actual statement. Not good enough?

#125 | Posted by Zed

No big deal to me, but this air time normally costs big bucks.

This is the old Hitler-Had-One-Testicle ploy. He had two, but it was ever so much juicier to claim one.

Zed, politics aside, as both sides are guilty. Can you imagine what the rest of the world thinks about our political process?

Can you imagine what the rest of the world thinks about our political process?

#128 | Posted by wisgod at 2008-09-10 09:39 PM | Reply | Flag

I don't give a shit about the rest of the world.
Posted by JeffJ at 2008-09-09 07:06 AM | Reply

Pontius Palin.

You guys are going after the wrong person--!!

1) If you look at the video they are looping on every channel--you will see Obama cross the stage to your right. There two black women sitting in the front row.

When Obama wipes his forehead and goes with the lipstick on a pig remark--one of the women touches her friends leg--"see--listen to this--he is going after Palin". It's obvious body language.

The crowd understood the inference and so did America--I am not the liar. Obama is the liar by not admitting to his poor joke.

BTW--the new ad on the sex education with Obama--is stupid and BS. I sent an email.

_________

Now for some jokes about Sarah---

Hockey Rink - $20,000,000
Rape Victims - $0

AU --do you read anything?

Go read Sohe #109

AU --do you read anything?

Go read Sohe #109

#133 | Posted by MURPHY

No, he normally grabs a mug of Obama koolaid, and scrolls to the bottom of the thread. He still thinks Palin screwed the special needs kids in Alaska.

MURPHY

I've pretty much quit reading anything by most posters.

"Those fucking libs", "You lib pukes", et al

This site has denigrated to the lowest common denominator.

As to SOHE, he's gotten in the "Obama is a ----" pond.

I've attacked political stands and am sick that people aren't really talking about issues. Hypocricy runs rampant. If it's a Dem doing something it's HORRIBLE!!!!!!

If a Republican does exactly the same or similar thing it's the "Main Stream Media" and their bias.

Murphy-
Still, what is your job as 'facilitator' of "mediation"?

What is "mediation" in this context?

WISGOD just made my point for me.

Troll looking to throw shit.

To bad you couldn't reference the Special Needs budget cuts. But in AU world, that's just mean spirited politics, right? You don't want anyone to challenge you, leave.

WISGOD just made my point for me.
Posted by AMERICANUNITY

And if it wasn't me, it would be anyone who questions you. Leave.

Can anyone tell me what a licensed "facilitator of mediation" does ala Murphy?

MURPHY---Interpreting a statement through the lense of "two Black women" is just plain crazy. If this is what you're doing, then you're guilty of rabid bias, not dishonesty. But the bias has undogged your hatches.

I agree with my friend WISGOD fully, both sides can and have done much the same things. After this week I imagine it's war.

Thanks Zed. Night all.

Wow. AU, amazing. Because I don't like your Messiah any more then I like McCain I can't POSSIBLY be knowledgeable about other subjects?

Neat. No wonder people constantly get confused as to what the hell you're talking about. Unless someone agrees totally with you or argues with you by name, you don't take the time to read their posts. Good to know.

I've attacked political stands and am sick that people aren't really talking about issues. Hypocricy runs rampant. If it's a Dem doing something it's HORRIBLE!!!!!!

If a Republican does exactly the same or similar thing it's the "Main Stream Media" and their bias.

#135 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-09-10 10:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

And furthermore, I don't think that at all.

I think BOTH sides are full of shit. I just think the largest current example of hypocrisy is the fact that the Dems spent so many years claiming how much better then the Republicans they were morally.. and it turned out not to be true in the lsoghtest bit. This BEING a Democratic-leaning site, I'm clearly going to end up clashing with Dems more for the time being. If you pull your head out of your rectum you'd realize when I'm not slamming Dems for hypocrisy, I'm slamming rich dickheads for being greedy, and Christians for being hypocrites.

You know why? Because I put the truth ahead of any party loyalty. Just for the longest time, I was fooled into thinking the Democrats also cared in the slightest about the truth.

How in the hell did spell check let the word "lsoghtest" through? It did it again. Does anyone know what that word MEANS?

This election is about Nepotism and Profiteering vs. Democracy and Competence.

McCain/Palin want to change America back to the traditional values of nationalism commonly associated with war (both external and domestic), secession, and even genocide in contexts ranging from imperial conquest to struggles for national liberation. Smaller but highly visible groups also self-identify as 'nationalist', although it may be a euphemism for neo-Nazis or white supremacists. Activists in other countries are often referred to as ultra-nationalists, with a clearly pejorative meaning. See also chauvinism and jingoism. Nationalism is a component of other political ideologies, and in its extreme form, Fascism.

Obama/Biden are obviously Cosmopolitan -the idea that all of humanity belongs to a single moral community. Essentially, they are promoting the Post-Industrial Society, which has been prophesied by Daniel Bell in his tome, The Coming of Post-Industrial Society. Their, "hope for change," then is really a sublimated desire for progress, efficiency, and equillibrium.

Thus, this election should really boil down to the simple question of: Do you want War or do you want Peace?

Zed, I gotta challenge your numbers from way upthread - all my data indicates less than 10 rapes from 2001 to 2005. Of course, these are only reported rapes, but you gotta start somewhere.

You'd think a woman would have made sure rape kits were free.

A whole lotta talk about this little thing, Got'em SERIOUSLY runnin scared. Articles about everything except what her favorite brand of shoes are.

60% of the news has been about her since introduction.

Obiden Who?

This things cooked and done just ready to serve.

This is also true for Obama's home town Chicago.

If you go to an emergency room for anything including as a rape victim they will charge your insurance for every little thing (the visit, the exam, any treatments, a rape kit, klennex, etc.)if you have insurance.

That is what the article says btw is that they charge the insurance company if the person has insurance. They don't say if they charge if the person has no insurance.

Why didn't Obama change these things in Chicago when he was a community activist. Oh, I see, a community activist doesn't have any power or actually do anything.

Another false smear by the Democrats. You must all be so proud!

wow, desperation is so evident among you lefties that you hope anything will gain traction against this woman.

oh yeah, biden admits hitlery was a better choice, so how will biden exit the vp slot?

OMFG ! Read the article!

" *DEMOCRATS* such as former Alaska governor Tony Knowles *** who signed the rape-kit bill into law *** and was defeated by Palin in 2006 are raising the issue to question Palin's commitment to women's issues and crime victims."

Typical! Democrats blaming Republicans for their bad decisions.

Oh, I added the stars and caps to highlight the real story.

You're confused, KBM. Democrats signed a bill that stopped Wasilla from charging rape victims for their evidence collection. They didn't institute the original policy to charge them.

I have no problem with insurance companies being charged, as long as no one is forced to pay out-of-pocket if they have no insurance.

I do have a problem with Palin's stance on rape and abortion. Is it correct that Palin believes a rape victim should be forced to to carry to term, and if she does get an abortion, the rape victim and her doctor would be the ones going to jail?

It is very unlike rcade to put up a story so full of holes. But most of the stories against Palin have been so, or have been issues so insignificant, or issues of which Obabama is guilty, too. I see rcade's posting of this thread as a bellwether of most of the stories about Palin and the left's fear of her impact on the left's deity.

It is also duly amusing watching Mr. Nice Guy start to lash out in a negative manner -- something he said he early in his run that he would not do. But all bets are off when a dog -- er god -- is cornered.

The slippage of the Saint's halo is directly proportional to his slippage in the polls, I've noticed. It's sad to see him not maintaining his earlier taken high road.

While the Alaska State Troopers and most municipal police agencies have covered the cost of exams, which cost between $300 to $1,200 apiece, the Wasilla police department does charge the victims of sexual assault for the tests.

Wasilla Police Chief Charlie Fannon does not agree with the new legislation, saying the law will require the city and communities to come up with more funds to cover the costs of the forensic exams.

In the past weve charged the cost of exams to the victims insurance company when possible. I just dont want to see any more burden put on the taxpayer, Fannon said.

According to Fannon, the new law will cost the Wasilla Police Department approximately $5,000 to $14,000 a year to collect evidence for sexual assault cases.

Ultimately it is the criminal who should bear the burden of the added costs, Fannon said.

The forensic exam is just one part of the equation. Id like to see the courts make these people pay restitution for these things, Fannon said.

Fannon said he intends to include the cost of exams required to collect evidence in a restitution request as a part of a criminals sentencing.

Sounds more like police department policy than any law Palin would be involved with.

"It sounds more like police depratment policy than any law Palin was involved with...."

Sure, Palin was only the mayor. Mayors never have any connection to municipal police departments.
Not expected to know what those damned coppers do.

You fellows are funny, and will remain so until you decide whether Palin was large-and-in-charge getting all that great executive experience in Wassila, or just the empty-headed lady you describe her as being MUCH more often than you realize.

All you Palin fans are missing the point. Of course the cost of the rape kit should be paid as restitution once the rapist has been caught and convicted (just as SBI lab fees are charged to anyone convicted of a drug crime). However, from what I understand these women were told that they would have to pay for the rape kit, either through their insurance or out of pocket. That is simply an inhuman way to treat a victim of rape, but when you think about it (and this might have been the whole purpose) it would discourage women from reporting a rape if they couldn't afford the fees, thereby bringing down the "stats" for Wasilla. It is an incredibly sexist and to be honest medieval treatment of rape victims. If someone breaks into your house and steals your stuff do the PD charge you for the fingerprinting? No. If you are the victim of a gunshot wound do the PD charge you for the ballistics test? No. Even if you are the criminal and driving drunk, does the PD charge you for the breathalyzer? No. If someone is murdered is the family charged for the autopsy? No. This is just another example of Palin's distain for women. Oh poor you, you were raped, now pay for the evidence and then carry the baby to term should you be pregnant. As the Spudmeister is wont to say

DO. NOT. WANT.

Sorry,

If the women goes to the hospital because of a crime like rape her insurance company is not charged a dime, the state picks up the tab.

So, now we are back to the beginning, charging for the rape kits, boy it is nice to see those defending palin for her womenly attitude. I am sure her sand point idaho white supremist experience is coloring through her.

BREAKING NEWS---Palin is bombing her interview with Gibson, and badly.

SO another myth of Sarah is gone by the wayside--

Murphy---Why doesn't Palin know what the Bush Doctrine is? Are you watching that woman?

"On the anniversary of the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history, Gov. Sarah Palin took a hard-line approach on national security and said that war with Russia may be necessary if Georgia were to join NATO and be invaded by Russia. "

Fucking great.

"Palin, who obtained her first passport last year and who has served just two years as Alaska's governor, told Gibson that she was up to the challenge of being Sen. John McCain's vice president. "

LOL.

MURPHY---Having any luck interpreting Palin's body language with Gibson? I'd say she's pissed when not frantic.

Here is a link of part of the intgervie to air tonight on ABC--

Swingng and missing.
#163 | Posted by MURPHY at 2008-09-11 06:45 PM

Are you on drugs?

MURPHY---Are you LISTENING to Palin? She was on the tube just three minutes ago?

GIBSON: And you didn't say to yourself, "Am I experienced enough? Am I ready? Do I know enough about international affairs? Do I -- will I feel comfortable enough on the national stage to do this?"

PALIN: I didn't hesitate, no.[After all, any burgermeister of some tiny hamlet is qualified]

GIBSON: Didn't that take some hubris?

PALIN: I -- I answered him yes because I have the confidence in that readiness and knowing that you can't blink [think], you have to be wired in a way of being so committed to the mission, the mission that we're on, reform of this country and victory in the war, you can't blink [think]. So I didn't blink [think] then even when asked to run as his running mate.

Palin so far is turning in the worst performance I've seen in any major political figure since Bush's miserable debate against Kerry.

You guys have a serious case of the vapors.

I checked the link--watched the one minute teaser.

I guess Gibson is on at 7 pm?

I have to wait three hours..

Gibson adopted a quiet and fatherly approach to Palin that emphasized the woman's essential immaturity and, I think, unsettled her visibly.

Null--Obama has been to Iraq two times and Sarah went to Kuwait and Germany.

What's your point?

Are you on drugs?

#168 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2008-09-11

No Doc--I don't do drugs.

But the swinging and missing is the rape kit story that is the topic of this thread.

Check out the link.

MURPHY---Do you think Palin will know what the Bush Doctrine is after tonight? My opinion---She has a nightmare about the damned thing.

Tomorrow: Palin learns airplanes aren't supported in flight by fairies.

Wasilla did charge for rape kits. The state had to step in.

MURPHY is a troll that should be ignored

The expected comments from the usual suspects. (and btw, guys -- you are more believable if you leave out the personal comments in the quotes. It's hard to do for a partisian hack, but as Jack Webb would say, "Just the facts, ma'am."

I understand that as a partisian hack you feel you must explain the 'true meaning' since everyone else is just too fucking stupid to figure things out on their own.

It sucks to be a sheeple.

Wasilla did charge for rape kits.

and Bush charges you income tax.

It just takes time to separate the chaff from the wheat.

Goatman-
You're saying that Palin didn't know.

She did fire the police chief when elected, and hired one more loyal. For one.

You're saying that Palin didn't know.

???

I am. Thank you for telling me what I am saying. I don't know what this stupid ass would do without your big brain propping me up.

She did fire the police chief when elected, and hired one more loyal. For one.

No kidding? A person in an executive position actually fired one of their underlings and hired one more friendly? That is totally unprecedented! Someone get a rope!

Zed--

The Bush Doctrine is a phrase used to describe various related foreign policy principles of United States president George W. Bush, created in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks. The phrase initially described the policy that the United States had the right to treat countries that harbor or give aid to terrorist groups as terrorists themselves, which was used to justify the invasion of Afghanistan.[1] Later it came to include additional elements, including the controversial policy of preventive war, which held that the United States should depose foreign regimes that represented a threat to the security of the United States, even if that threat was not immediate (used to justify the invasion of Iraq), a policy of supporting democracy around the world, especially in the Middle East, as a strategy for combating the spread of terrorism, and a willingness to pursue U.S. military interests in a unilateral way.[2][3][4] Some of these policies were codified in a National Security Council text entitled the National Security Strategy of the United States published on September 20, 2002.[5]

Was she asked a question on the Bush Doctrine--asked about terrorism??

Wasilla did charge for rape kits.

and Bush charges you income tax.

#180 | Posted by goatman at 2008-09-11 07:11 PM | Reply | Flag

Isn't it interesting that one can't see the difference in what they actually post.

These are morally comparable and show real ethical value.

Wasilla did charge for rape kits.

and Bush charges you income tax.

After all, the women who was raped shouldn't have put herself in the situation and she is using the service.

goat

MY dear MURPHY---I know what the freaking Bush Doctrine is. SARAH BARRACUDA does not.

Gibson had to clue her in during the interview itself. She was pitiful.

sn't it interesting that one can't see the difference in what they actually post

That's why I'm trying to teach idiots like you and betelg the right thing.

Palin charged no one anything. The city of Wasilla did. Since you missed the allegorical concept, hopefully the blunt blow on the head version sinks in.

If Palin had enacted that law, maybe you could say she charged rape victims. But she didn't even enact the law. So I fail to see how it is Palin, not the city of Wasilla who made the charges.

You ignorance never fails to leave me in utter awe. It is indeed quite impressive, runnysore.

I find myself wnating to ask Palin how WWII started. I think that would be a riot--Scary, but funny.

Goatman-
You claimed that Palin didn't know. I responded that immediately upon her election she fired the police chief (tried to fire the librarian) and hired her own loyal police chief. Their policy was to charge for rape kits. I thought the difference, according to Palin, between mayor and community organizer was actually having responsibilities (the buck stops here, and all that)?

BETELG---

You put your finger on it---Palin is a fearsome executive except when she is expected to know anything.

Goatman-
More on the "responsibility" question: When Palin learned that the loyal police chief she hired was charging for rape kits, what reprimands or firings occurred?

You claimed that Palin didn't know.

???

When? Where?

Just like runnysore, you have to lie to validate your position and invalidate mine falsely assigning positions. (a nice way of saying you are a liar)

I grow so weary of that childish tactic. Like runnysore, you need to grow up and quit making up lies and assigning positions to others.

More on the "responsibility" question:

Let's see you exercise it first by apologizing for your lie.

You're saying that Palin didn't know.

???

I am.

#184 | Posted by goatman at 2008-09-11 07:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sorry. I took you at your word.

I am hearing Sarah is knocking the answers out of the park on this interview with Gibson.

Goatman-
I'm now unclear as to where you stand on whether she knew or not, and I certainly haven't received a response concerning her official reaction when she found out (if she didn't know previously).

I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a community organizer, except that you have actual responsibilities,--

Betel--there are not done anymore. They were apparently doing this acroos the country and now it is against the law.

What is your point?

Sorry. I took you at your word.

No you didn't, because I never said what you said I did. If you disagree, tell me when and where, please.

I'm now unclear as to where you stand on whether she knew or not,

You should've been unclear all along because until today I haven't even typed the word "palin" in my entire life. But no, you have to assign a position to me and pretend that I insinuated otherwise.

You are an ass.

"I am hearing Sarah is knocking the answers out of the park on this interview with Gibson.

#199 | Posted by MURPHY"

Hahahahahahaha. You're always good for a laugh, Goofy.

Wasilla did charge for rape kits.

and Bush charges you income tax.

And what position is being assigned here? I would say a prudent individual would say you are comparing income tax to being raped but in some strange way find justification for both, other wise you tone of words would have been different.

I guess the assigning things to you don't fall far from that tree.

Goatman-
Fine. I apologize, as I seem to have upset you. Was she aware of the practice or not, and when she found out (if she didn't know), what firings or reprimands resulted from her personally appointed police chief charging rape victims for evidence collection?

I understand the skepticism. I heard that Obama kicked McCain's ass in their first debate. But then I actually saw it and realized it was the sheeple talking again.

I'll reserve my judgement until I can see it for myself. I don't trust the sheeple here who will give their same predictible views -- right or wrong.

"I heard that Obama kicked McCain's ass in their first debate. But then I actually saw it and realized it was the sheeple talking again."

Which debate would that be?

Murphy-
See my post at 7:56 (#207) in response to this:

Betel--there are not done anymore. They were apparently doing this acroos the country and now it is against the law.

What is your point?

#202 | Posted by MURPHY at 2008-09-11 07:47 PM | Reply | Flag

Aditionally, do you think the sate should even need to tell a town (in this case, Wasilla, mayored by Palin) that charging victims for evidence collection was really, really bad?

Faith Forum--

Hey they are in the Service Nation Forum --not a debate I guess but something else--check cable

They had a debate?

They debate???

Wow, goat has the validity of about let say murphy........LOL!

Betel--

It's a stupid law--the country was doing this--guess we have to go back to when it first started and figure out the assholes them that put this practice in place for the entire --or many places in the country to do this.

They charge the person found guilty. Insurance covers it.

And now the state covers it.

You act like she is personally attacking rape victims--can you stoop any lower?

Go read my #163 link and find out the truth on the issue.

"Now, ma'am, calm down. Now we could do a rape kit, but do you have insurance?

well, why don't you think about that for a bit, Okay?

want some coffee?"

Fellas--the Service Forum is on cable--check your channels.

McCain is talking first to two reporters at Columbia--

This is not a debate but answering questions separately.

The Faith Forum was not a debate--it was a Forum--same as this one on right now.

Murphy-
re: "It's a stupid law--the country was doing this--guess we have to go back to when it first started and figure out the assholes them that put this practice in place for the entire --or many places in the country to do this."

It wasn't a law. The sate had to pass a law to stop Wasilla (under Palin) from charging victims for evidence collection. Are we on the same page here?

My question to you is simple. Did Palin know about this practice? If not, what did she do when she found out that the loyal police chief she appointed charged victims of rape for the rape kit?

And what position is being assigned here? I would say a prudent individual would say you are comparing income tax to being raped

I don't know about a prudent person, but one with half a brain would realize it is the office or law that makes the charge, not the person.

You stiill don't get it, do you runnysore? As I said before I stand in awe at your ignorance and complete inability to grasp the obvious, even when you are beaten over the head with it.

It is even more amazing that this concept has to be explained to you. The person who holds the office of tax assessor in my county does not charge me to build schools. His office does. Bush does not charge me for roads and defense. His office does. Governor Perry does not charge me for state highways. His office does. Palin did not charge rape victims. Her office did.

Please, runnysore, I beg you to tell me that you are not so stupid that this concept is over your head.

Please? For me? Let me keep this notion that you do have at least a handful of brain cells. Don't dash that last hope on the rocks, too.

I agree Boyd--it is a shameful law.

Cops don't charge the time and expense for investigating a burglary at your home or business.

It was passed during a time when women were (and sometimes still are) treated like crap when they are the victim.

Murphy-
re: "It's a stupid law--the country was doing this--guess we have to go back to when it first started and figure out the assholes them that put this practice in place for the entire --or many places in the country to do this."

What other towns in Alaska were doing this (there may have been others)?

"I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a community organizer, except that you have actual responsibilities,--"

(or not)

You act like she is personally attacking rape victims--can you stoop any lower?

There is no act here, palin was personally attacking rape victims, now that you are trying to slant it some other direction shows who is really stooping low.

The fact that payment would be required from any victim so the police could follow up in doing their actual job and you trying to justify such through other actions shows the low ethical and moral value, particularly when the issue is rape.

Nice women there murph, I suppose you're a real lady killer.

Boyd--are you daft?

Go read the link #163 post--

And please read PAGE 2--then you come on back here and tell me the answer to your question about what she knew and when.

Like I would know this personally--other than what is in the link.

Geez Louise--

"I agree Boyd--it is a shameful law."

It WASN'T A LAW! Read! A LAW HAD TO BE PASSED TO PREVENT TOWNS LIKE WASILLA (under Palin) FROM CHARGING RAPE VICTIMS FOR EVIDENCE COLLECTION!

What reprimands and or firings resulted when Palin found out what her police department was doing?

as I seem to have upset you.

Having positions falsely assigned to you doesn't upset you? Oh well. If not, why do you support Nazis?

Was she aware of the practice or not, and when she found out (if she didn't know), what firings or reprimands resulted from her personally appointed police chief charging rape victims for evidence collection?

How should I know?

On thing that baffles me as to why it was not addressed, but you sheeple are so blinded by your party leaders you've missed the obvious question. Why does a town of 10k have a rape problem?

I suspect the reason that your sheepleherders haven't sent you out with this question is because non occured under her watch and they would hate to admit that. It's just a guess, but why else isn't this important question asked?

Which debate would that be?

My bad. Not a true debate, the Q&A session with the good reverend

Check out the link.
#175 | Posted by MURPHY at 2008-09-11 07:03 PM

I did, which is why I asked: are you on drugs?
Your link doesn't prove what you think it proves.
Did you even read past the rightbot headline?

Murphy-
There is no new information in your link. What reprimands/firings occurred when the SHOCKED Sarah Palin found out her police department was charging rape victims for rape kits (she obviously could not have been aware of it before, because "sarah! would never allow that, and if she found out about it...)?

So what did "sarah!" do when she found out about it?

"It WASN'T A LAW! Read! A LAW HAD TO BE PASSED TO PREVENT TOWNS LIKE WASILLA (under Palin) FROM CHARGING RAPE VICTIMS FOR EVIDENCE COLLECTION!"

BETLEG -
I'm afraid that's much, much too subtle a point for the GOPiggy mind to grasp.

I agree Boyd--it is a shameful law.

THe irony here is that I also believe it is a shameful law. But so is blaming Palin for it. It existed when she took office. As mayor, she had no power to change it (like the president, the mayor does not make laws. The city council does, just as Congress does.)

But to see such a tempest in a teapot is very telling. The left doesn't really have much at all bad to say about the lady so they are grasping at straws as they see Obamama's numbers wane. Understandable.

Goatman-
re: "I suspect the reason that your sheepleherders haven't sent you out with this question is because non occured under her watch and they would hate to admit that."

I'm sure that's it. Sarah would never allow a rape to happen in her town, so the question as to why her police department charged victims of rape for evidence collection is moot, and sharply partisan.

It boggles the mind, if one is burdened by such an appendage.

"THe irony here is that I also believe it is a shameful law."

IT WASN'T A LAW.

A LAW HAD TO BE PASSED BY THE STATE TO PREVENT WASILLA FROM CHARGING RAPE VICTIMS FOR EVIDENCE COLLECTION.

Damn!

Goatman-
re: "As mayor, she had no power to change it"

I repeat. IT WASN'T A LAW!

It was a practice, and a foul one at that. Palin could have changed it with a nod and a whisper.

"THe irony here is that I also believe it is a shameful law. But so is blaming Palin for it."

Goatman, it wasn't a law.
It was a policy.
She was the mayor.
Did she ever speak out against that policy?
If not, she condoned it by occupying a position of authority and remaining silent.
Frankly, I don't know what the answer to that question is.
But I suspect that if the answer helped Palin, we'd have heard something about it by now.
(By which I mean, more than is in the article Murphy linked but clearly didn't bother to read beyond its headline.)

There is no act here, palin was personally attacking rape victims

Really? How many did she personally attack? Why hasn't this been reported?

Oh, it's runnysore running his sore mouth. I thought it was someone with a brain and something valid to say. Nevermind.

Doc-
The only remaining defense is that Palin was unaware of the practice all the way until the state actually passed a law to prevent them from doing it.

So what heads rolled when she found out?

I'm sure that's it. Sarah would never allow a rape to happen in her town, so

I was wondering how many rapes took place when she was in office. I suspect none since the libs haven't latched their frothing mouths on it.

The republicans will defend anything no matter how ethically and morally incorrect it is if it involves their party policy.

The republicans are surely showing their value of victims and their support. I suppose by their support they know the rapists are their real voters, why else would they defend protecting em.

I'll take that bet goat, and then we can watch you say I never said that, stop assigning positions to me.

Goatman-
re: "I suspect the reason that your sheepleherders haven't sent you out with this question is because non occured under her watch and they would hate to admit that."

Has it occurred to you that you are actively trying to be an idiot at this point?

"The only remaining defense is that Palin was unaware of the practice..."

How many people in that town? How many people involved in government there? Palin knew.

Having said that, she was so brain-dead on the tube tonight perhaps it's possible.

1.0 is the national average Rape Risk (County wasilla) 0.63, so I guess goat isn't going to take that bet.

My friends, my friends, oh my friends.
C'mon, guys are guys, stuff happens, know what I mean?
If those girls weren't running around in such skimpy attire, made up like trollops, acting like cunts. . .
Well, if pigs could fly. . .
Heh, heh, scratch that, okay?
Hey, have I told you the one about the gal and the gorilla?
~John "The Birds and the Bees" McCain

Palin could have changed it with a nod and a whisper.

Am I safe to take your word for that? I mean, you have read and understand the city's charter enough to know that a $1k expenditure in a town that small can be done with "a nod and a whisper"? Wasilla ain't New York, you know.

But if you somehow know this to be fact, please share the source of your information. I think most small towns have to have city council approval to make spending changes.

But again I ask (and will probably still not get an answer) how many rapes occured while she was mayor? IOW, how many rape victims did she charge this fee to as so many on this thread allege?

"The only remaining defense is that Palin was unaware of the practice all the way until the state actually passed a law to prevent them from doing it."

Exactly Betleg.
What did Palin know and when did she know it?
Or what didn't Palin know and why didn't she know it?
And what did she do or not do about it?
I can't imagine the rightbots wouldn't have tried to "clarify" this if they had the information.
So much for McCain's vaunted "vetting" process.

"Damn!

#231 | Posted by BetelG

Frustrating isn't it? I know the feeling when dealing with certain posters. It isn't worth the headache.

The republicans will defend anything no matter how ethically and morally incorrect it is if it involves their party policy.

The democrats will avoid a potentially ugly followup question. Maybe you can enlighten us, runnysore, since you said she personally attacked rape victims: How many woman were raped while she was mayor? How many did she 'charge' this fee to, runnysore? Can you answer or not?

Being that it is a well known fact that you are full of hot air and can never back up your outrageous statements, I won't hold my breath waiting for your answer.

You are pathetically led by the nose, runnysore. It must really suck.

Goatman -

What was Palin's reaction to this policy, assuming she even knew it existed?

Has it occurred to you that you are actively trying to be an idiot at this point?

No. Has it occured to you that you are avoiding my question? How many rapes happened while Palin was mayor? How many people did she 'charge' this fee to?

Just like runnysore you. . . .

. . .never mind. Waste of time

"But if you somehow know this to be fact, please share the source of your information. I think most small towns have to have city council approval to make spending changes."

I'm sure they would have been outraged that a new mayor would suggest not charging victims for evidence collection. So I guess it was a political calculation.

(You really don't know when you are on the wrong side of an argument. Pride runneth deep with you, Goat)

I can't imagine the rightbots wouldn't have tried to "clarify" this if they had the information.

Just as I can't imagine the leftbots not coming up with the numbers of people 'charged' this fee while Palin was mayor.

Does this thing work both ways, or is the playing field slanted for the left side?

Goatman-
re: "How many rapes happened while Palin was mayor?"

You've already answered that question: You're fairly sure none happened on "sarah!"'s watch, so the question of the rape kit is moot.

Goatman -

Even if not a single person was charged for the rape kit--and obviously neither you nor I know whether they were or weren't--what did Palin do to get rid of that policy?

Doc-
Well, we know that because upon assuming office Sarah fired the police chief and hired hew own, more loyal, police chief.

What was Palin's reaction to this policy, assuming she even knew it existed?

i don't know. Has it not been made public?

See ya'll later.

"Has it not been made public?"

Probably still being "vetted."

(You really don't know when you are on the wrong side of an argument. Pride runneth deep with you, Goat)

c,mon, boyd. I know you can deflect better than that. I've seen you do it.

Well, we have 3 children here,

John Malcom Groff is accused of having intercourse, oral sex and other sexual acts with two 12-year-old girls and one 7-year-old girl over the course of four days in July while they were staying in a cabin in Wasilla.

Nice small town.

You've already answered that question:

???

when? where?

There you go again, boyd. Pitiful.

what did Palin do to get rid of that policy?

I don't know. There are probably dozens, if not hundreds of policies she (like any person in an executive position) failed to change.

Who's to say that if a woman did get raped on her watch that she would not have stepped in and said, "this fee is wrong. We will not charge it now nor again"?

We'll never know, but just because we'll never know does not mean we have the right to assume the worst, does it? To do so is just plain mean spirited and we know that democrats are anything but that and always give the benefit of the doubt. Right?

Wow, from 1980 to 2000 not one rape and along comes palin, 5 rapes in 2 years.

Great to see such governance.

Well, we know that because upon assuming office Sarah fired the police chief and hired hew own, more loyal, police chief.

The horror! Never has a person in an executive position replaced those under him with someone they liked better. Totally unprecedented! Someone get a rope! (I see the dems have already got one, though)

WTF is your point, boyd?

Aren't you glade you didn't live in wasilla with your wife goat, men could have their way and not have to worry, but oops, you for that kind of thing.

Yep, neighbor having his way with your wife, oops, you're not there because you're having your way with the co-ed down the street.

Good to see such in your ability of victim protection.

Well, we have 3 children here,

John Malcom Groff is accused of having intercourse, oral sex and other sexual acts with two 12-year-old girls and one 7-year-old girl over the course of four days in July while they were staying in a cabin in Wasilla.

Nice small town.

Was Palin Mayor then? Were the woman charged for the rape test kit? (remember, runnysore, this is the issue which you conveniently fail to mention. Short attention span acting up again?)

Wow, from 1980 to 2000 not one rape and along comes palin, 5 rapes in 2 years.

link?

were the victims charged for the test kits?

Goatman -

It's a small town. I mean, a really, really, really small town.

If she's really a feminist, she'd have gone to work on nixing that policy.

I'm not assuming "the worst." But unless McCain's flunkoids come up with and document another explanation, I have no choice but to believe she didn't lift a finger to change that policy.

You'd think that if she did, word of it might've surfaced by now, wouldn't you? I mean, McCain's got some of the highest-priced K Street lobbyists around running his campaign and telling him what to say. Surely they understand the importance of perceptions. (I realize, as his main handler says, that the campaign isn't about issues. . .but you'd think this would fall into the Perceptions Dept., wouldn't you?)

As to the "benefit of the doubt," while I cutomarily extend that to my wife, my child, my friends, my dog, normal humans, I never---ever---extend it to politicians.

"were the victims charged for the test kits?"

Goat -

Are you sitting out on a rig in the Gulf with nothing to do? Because you seem to be working awfully hard at playing obtuse. C'mon, whether they were charged or not isn't the point. It was the policy. And, as mayor, what did she do about that policy? Did she ever, once, speak out against it?

You'd think that if she did, word of it might've surfaced by now, wouldn't you?

I'll grant you that if you admit that if some women were charged this fee during her tenure as mayor that that would have come up as well.

Fair enough, doc?

Or is it different rules for different sides?

What was Palin's reaction to this policy, assuming she even knew it existed?

i don't know. Has it not been made public?

#255 | Posted by goatman at 2008-09-11 08:54 PM

I believer her response was:

"So?"

Oh, wait, that was the other Republican VP.

This one claims Pre-Executive Privilege and does not speak to the press.

As to the "benefit of the doubt," while I cutomarily extend that to my wife, my child, my friends, my dog, normal humans, I never---ever---extend it to politicians.

Although my exension of the benefit of the doubt reaches much further than yours (I'm a "innocent until proven guilty" guy) I will begrudgingly admit I sometimes have a difficult time extending it to politicians. *grin*

"Or is it different rules for different sides?"

No, not different rules. Let's find out if one or more women were actually charged. And let's also find out what Palin's reaction was to the policy.

Reasonable enough, Goat?

PS: On the extending of the benefit of the doubt to politicians, I've been around a passle of them over the years (including at the national level) and I've often found that for the front men and front men the difference between them and t.v. weatherpersons is the price of their suits; as for the behind-the-scenes crowd, they tend to be pond scum on all sides.

"front men and front men" = front men and front women.

Sheesh.

Are you sitting out on a rig in the Gulf with nothing to do?

No. I am sitting by the phone waiting for a storm to pass. Pay is the same, though.

Because you seem to be working awfully hard at playing obtuse. C'mon, whether they were charged or not isn't the point. It was the policy.

It is not I who is being obtuse. Unless it can be proven that a woman got charged this fee after she was raped, it cannot be proven it was policy -- unless of course you can provide a copy of such policy. It is you, betelg, and runnysore being obtuse. I keep asking for such proof, but none is provided. Just accusations and attacks on me.

So can or can you not provide a link to a copy of this policy? Can you provide a news story that a woman was charged this fee under Palin? If not, j'accuse of something much worse than being obtuse, and that is slander.

Donnerboy said: This one claims Pre-Executive Privilege and does not speak to the press.

She's already invoked Executive Privilege in not releasing 1100 e-mails (with her husband copied on them, no less) regarding "Troopergate" and the public safety employees union.

Actually--check it out--it's not "slander."
The cop talked about the policy.
What happened next?

All that aside, good luck with the storm.
My son and his wife had to evacuate from the Keys a few days ago. Fortunately, they were able to return home and the place was still standing. I have friends on Grand Cayman who went through a whopper a couple of years ago and even the ballsiest of them say that if they even suspected something like that was going to happen again they'd be on an outward bound plane.

Good luck to you, Goat.

Didn't she compromise her claim to executive privilege once she copied those emails to Alaska's "First Dude"?

I've looked at about 20 different links about rape in Wasilla and the charges for the rape test kits. I've yet to come up with a single one that said the victim was charged -- under any mayor. Yes, the victim's insurance companies have been charged, but I can't find a single instance of the victim having to fork out a dime.

The disingenousness of this issue is appalling. But as I said upthead before I even figured this out, it is a tempest in a teapot. If this is the best that Palin's detractors can come up with -- an insurance company being charged -- she's got the libs scared.

BTW, I would think the lefties would love hearing that the big bad corporation having to foot the bill instead of the taxpayers. Under different circumstances, I'll bet they would. But partisianship clouds the brain, doesn't it?

Goatman, good luck to you and your property during the storm. I hope it becomes a big nothing by the time it gets to Texas.

Good luck to you, Goat.

Thanks. My poor son's rig headed south to avoid the storm. (they are not a moored vessel like mine) He was supposed to have been home yesterday and close on his first home tomorrow. He won't be home for another week because he is about as far from land as one can be in the GoM -- far from helicopter range.

So his wife and my granddaughter will be with me for another week or two. The seller of the house is distraught because of the need the contingency of the sale as do about 4 more 'dominoes' in this chain. So Ike is keeping at least 6 people from closing on homes and moving this week.

But I am enjoying the time with my new granddaughter.

Goatman, good luck to you and your property during the storm

Thanks. We should be OK in SA. They are predicting 45-50 MPH winds and 2 inches of rain here on Saturday. THere will be a lot of leaves and small branches to clean up, but that should be the worst of it.

Goat,

take care of yourself and be safe during the storm.

"Unless it can be proven that a woman got charged this fee after she was raped, it cannot be proven it was policy -- unless of course you can provide a copy of such policy.'

The state telling them to stop the practice isn't enough for you to believe they were engaging in it?

That takes some serious koolaide; those things never crop up in a vacuum.

GOAT -

What a hassle. It'll pass. (Easy for me to say.) But you're lucky: enjoy that granddaughter.

From the Wasilla Frontiersman (May 22, 2000), when Sarah Palin was mayor:

"While the Alaska State Troopers and most municipal police agencies have covered the cost of exams, which cost between $300 to $1,200 apiece, the Wasilla police department does charge the victims of sexual assault for the tests.

Wasilla Police Chief Charlie Fannon does not agree with the new legislation, saying the law will require the city and communities to come up with more funds to cover the costs of the forensic exams.

Now MOney wants to bring up crimes in Wasilla and blame those on the mayor?

Let's take a good look at Chicago--shall we?

take care of yourself and be safe during the storm.

THanks.

I'm more worried about my 77 YO uncle who is more bull-headed than I. He lives alone in League City, about 25 miles N of Galveston. I've called him twice telling him I'd come get him since he doesn't like to drive, but he refused. He told me I'd never make it in and out in 24 hours anyway since the traffic is so bad. He told me he sat out Alicia in the same house in 1983, so he'll make this one. He told me (I hope it's true) that about 1 in four of his neighborhood stayed and that they are looking out for each other. I finally got him to promise he'd go stay with another neighbor which is better than being alone since he is very frail. But knowing him, he lied just to shut me up.

But he is such an ornery old fart, he'll probably be OK no matter what.

"Let's take a good look at Chicago--shall we?"

Where Mayor Daley presides over a government that includes a police force that charges the victim and/or her insurance company for the cost of rape kits?

C'mon, now seriously, Murphy, what are you on?

Doc, I see you quoted the policy. I don't deny that the policy existed. But was it ever enacted. To run with you idea in your #268, don't you think the press or Daily Kos would have come up with at least one woman who actually had to dig into their pocket? I can't find a single one, and I looked on many sites -- most of them left leaning.

I know that this doesn't prove they weren't charged, but it seems that a woman who was forced to pay for her own rape test kit would be bitter enough to come forward. I wonder why none have. I sure as hell would. With the teeth and resources that are available these days, I think that one of these left wing web sites could produce at least one woman who had to make these outrageous payments, don't you?

From the link on post #163--

Reporters Ken Dilanian and Matt Kelley used a 2000 quote from former Wasilla Police Chief to blame Palin for an outdated, now illegal policy she never supported.

In the past, weve charged the cost of exams to victims insurance companies when possible,-- former chief Charlie Fannon told the Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman in 2000 as then-Democratic Governor Tony Knowles was signing legislation to make local police branches cover the costs of the kits.

I just dont want to see any more burden on the taxpayer,-- Fannon said at the time, which was reprinted in the USA Today.

Sarah NEVER supported the policy.
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Doc--Money wants to say Wasilla is "such a nice town" since they had a pedophile in it.

That is riducluous on it's face--same as pointing to Obama for all the crap that goes on in Chicago or even the south side.
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You guys fail to remember that Sarah fired that Monegan guy because he wouldn't hire troopers fast enough for the State levels.

And in her debate with Knowles and the other guy for Gov in 2005--she was promoting more police to help the citizens of AK for the crime that occurs in the outlining areas and smaller towns in AK.

"Doc, I see you quoted the policy. I don't deny that the policy existed. But was it ever enacted"

Goat - the Wasilla newspaper said (see above), "the Wasilla police department does charge the victims of sexual assault for the tests. . . ."

"Sarah NEVER supported the policy."

More to the point, Murphy, she doesn't appear to have ever OPPOSED the policy.

Goat - the Wasilla newspaper said (see above), "the Wasilla police department does charge the victims of sexual assault for the tests. . . ."

So, IOW, you don't find it strange at all that all these left leaning reporters and web sites haven't dug up a single person who was charged? This isn't a rhetorical question -- I truly would like your opinion.

You know, the TDOT has a policy that that distinctly forbids roadside shrines to car accident victims that grieving families put up. However, it is never enforced. You see these shrines everywhere on the road.

Along the same line, isn't it possible the policy exists, but is never enforced? If so, I'd say that is to her credit, not discredit. But as I've said -- I tend to see the good in people, not bad. Admittedly after a year on the DR I am becoming convinced this is an undesirable trait in a human being.

Let's try again and see if you rightboits understand what we're talking about.

From the Wasilla paper, when Palin was mayor:

"THE WASSILA POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES CHARGE THE VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ASSAUAL FOR THE TESTS. . . "

Got it?

"So, IOW, you don't find it strange at all that all these left leaning reporters and web sites haven't dug up a single person who was charged?"

Oh, you mean a rape victim who's dying to relive the experience?

Puh-lease.

Anyhoo, see my 11:23 above, and the 9:55 that preceded it.

According to the local paper, at the time Palin was mayor, the rule was and had been enforced.

Her husband received more in per diem than the rape kits cost.

This in a state with the highest rape rate in the United States.

Her husband received more in per diem than the rape kits cost.

This in a state with the highest rape rate in the United States.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-09-12 12:01 AM | Reply

Ouch. Hadn't thought of it that way. Compassionate conservatism strikes again.

Oh, you mean a rape victim who's dying to relive the experience?

No. I mean a rape victime who is willing to come out and say, "I had to pay $300 for a rape test kit". Honestly, doc -- no need to be so melodramatic. It distracts from your cause.

As though rape victims in a small and very Republican town, home of the GOP VP candidate and present Governor of Alaska, are willing to go public with a very painful and traumatic episode and say, "I had to pay for a rape kit"?

The city has said they charge rape victims and don't want the added financial burden.

Case closed.

Murphy,

You really a dumb idiot, if you charge the exam to the victims insurance company you are charging the victim.

Who pays for the insurance? There is a whole lot wrong with your thinking but you just can't see the wrong in this.

I suppose that is why medical insurance is so damn high, the state charging for their need.

The city has said they charge rape victims and don't want the added financial burden.

The state of Texas says it strictly forbids roadside shrines to accident victims, yet the roads are full of them.

But then maybe policies are more strictly enforced in Alaska than Texas. I don't know. Do you?

Goat,

I send prayers your families way, stay safe and wish the best.

Not too many roads in Alaska goat, 3/4's of the year it is in lots of snow. Snow "machines" are used a lot though. Oh, boat too.

The city has said they charge rape victims and don't want the added financial burden.

Even if strictly enforced (no proof it was) this policy has been around for how long? Long before Palin was mayor.

case closed

OK

I send prayers your families way, stay safe and wish the best

Thank you

GOATMAN

You made a real apples and oranges analogy there with the 'roadside shrines' and 'rape kits'.

Rape is a serious criminal act that mandates an investigation by the police including forensic evidence be collected.

Nice try though. Too bad Palin didn't send the money she charged for, say, one of her kids travel to Wasilla to remedy that egregious practice of charging rape victims.

Who knows what the city did before? Upon taking office she fired the Chief of Police because he didn't support her politically. Of course, she found plenty of money for a hockey rink and several renovations on City Hall and her office. Guess she had to keep her priorities straight and all.....

Who knows what the city did before?

I do. The the same. Palin did not institute the rape evidence collection policies of Wasilla. They were already in place when she became mayor. Tempest in a teapot. If she had instituted the policies, there might be a pot of mud here to sling. But she didn't, so for those who would rather sling mud than debate real issues, you should go somewhere else.

I've never heard of any city anywhere charging citizens to do investigations for felonies. Not when they've gotten $27,000,000 from the Feds to build a hockey rink. Shoot, her mistake in not ensuring they actually owned the land the hockey rink was to be built on cost them over $1,000,000 more.

If times are tough economically in a woman's household in Wasilla then it's probably better to leave the crime unreported.

But, let's keep arguing the practice of charging rape victims for police investigations is hunky dorey.

"They were already in place when she became mayor."

And they remained in place.

Thank you for helping prove the point, Goatman.

And they remained in place.

???

As do almost every every law in every city, county, or state in the USA when a political seat changes hands.

Thank you for helping prove the point, Goatman.

You are welcome

And thank you for proving that it takes a tempest in a teapot to come up with mud to sling at the lady. Real issues worthy of debate are obviously hard to come by.

Yet again you miss the point.
Palin, as mayor, doesn't appear to have done anything to get rid of this screwball policy.
It took an act of the State Legislature, inspired by the meanspirited wackiness of the s.o.p. in the municipalilty in which she was mayor, to rectify the situation.
Got it?
Yet?

I've never heard of any city anywhere charging citizens to do investigations for felonies.

reread the article

But, let's keep arguing the practice of charging rape victims for police investigations is hunky dorey.

???

I don't recall having seen that argument being made here or anywhere else. I myself said upthread it is a bad policy.

Palin, as mayor, doesn't appear to have done anything to get rid of this screwball policy.
It took an act of the State Legislature, inspired by the meanspirited wackiness of the s.o.p. in the municipalilty in which she was mayor, to rectify the situation.
Got it?
Yet?

Yep. I got your point yesterday. It is just as silly this morning.

BTW, the mayor is an executive position as is the president. They don't make laws. That job goes to the city council, as it does for congress

As I said -- tempest in a teapot. Beat it to death. Maybe in the meantime a real issue will emerge. Make a huge deal of it if you wish -- it seems the frenzy over this is confined to the left blogs. Thinking Americans seem to be pretty blase' about the issue. I think they want to hear about real issues. Thank god -- I was beginning to think I was the only one.

"BTW, the mayor is an executive position as is the president. They don't make laws. That job goes to the city council, as it does for congress"

Wow, thanks for the civics lesson.

Let me see if I can follow this.

So a mayor, like a president, has a bully pulpit, right? From which to speak out on matters that concern him/her, in an attempt to influence public policy?

And Sarah Palin did what, exactly, to change the policy in Mooseville?

It's not, as you lamely characterize it, "a tempest in a teapot." In fact, it's extremely revelatory.

Though apparently not for you.

But, then, you probably need to look a bit more into that subject you brought up: civics.

Goatman, it wasn't a law. The only law was the one the State created to deal with Wasilla's policy.

I usually don't finalize my ballot box decisions until a week or less before the elections. But thanks to the lefties here who have brought this heinous situation to the forefront, I have decided I cannot vote for the McCain ticket. Obviously since Palin did not initiate legislation that prevented rape victims from paying for the own rape test kits, she will rush into office and use all her powers to make sure that rape victims across this great country of ours do have to pay for their own test kits. I cannot tolerate that.

Thanks for setting rubes like me straight on this issue. I used to be concerned with things like a candidate's stance on foreign policy, the economy, the war in Iraq, etc. But thanks to you on the left blogs I now understand the real focus is on legislation not passed in a tiny hamlet in Alaska. That is what we should be spending our debate time on.

Where would I be without the internet?

"Where would I be without the Internet....?"

Ignorant of the Bush Doctrine, I imagine. Apparently Sarah uses it just to get recipes.

Goatman, it wasn't a law.

Exactly. Which puts this issue even higher on the hilarity scale than other issues. I don't think in my 53 years on this planet I've ever heard debate on laws not passed by a political candidate. It is always past legislation that is dug up and exposed during an election.

But "well, she didn't pass this law!" is about the funniest chapter in this election yet. And I thought I had a good laugh during the Hillary primary debacle!

As I said upthread -- this just underscores the lack of dirt the left is unable to dig up on this woman. Hey! Maybe we can get her for failure to pass legislation limiting moose farts in Wasilla, a known greenhouse gas.

I think we should all agree that Palin is not qualified to be vice president and Obama is not qualified to be president.

Both should be dropped from their respectice tickets and their parties should get someone else.

Palin spokeswoman Maria Comella said in an e-mail that the governor "does not believe, nor has she ever believed, that rape victims should have to pay for an evidence-gathering test."

"Gov. Palin's position could not be more clear," she said. "To suggest otherwise is a deliberate misrepresentation of her commitment to supporting victims and bringing violent criminals to justice."

I think we should all agree that Palin is not qualified to be vice president and Obama is not qualified to be president.

Both should be dropped from their respectice tickets and their parties should get someone else.

Too late.

But I agree anyhow. But all else being equal, I'd rather have a politically experienced president and inexperienced VP than vice versa

Then I guess you're left with the Palin Didn't Know position, Goatman. Otherwise she would have ditched the policy when mayor. That's simple logic, therfore it will be rejected.

Then I guess you're left with the Palin Didn't Know position, Goatman.

???

maybe you missed my 9:30. I read it before I C&Ped it.

Sorry if I misstated your position. For myself, knowing a smidgen about small town politics, the idea Palin didn't know her neighbors were being charged for rape kits is fantastic.

the idea Palin didn't know her neighbors were being charged for rape kits is fantastic.

So is the notion of a misogynistic woman. I would want neither in office.

"Where would I be without the internet?
#315 | Posted by goatman at 2008-09-12 09:20 AM"

Oh, probably sitting out in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico on an oil rig, jerking off.

Palin spokeswoman Maria Comella said in an e-mail that the governor "does not believe, nor has she ever believed, that rape victims should have to pay for an evidence-gathering test."

Fine.
Now, what did she do about that policy?

Oh, probably sitting out in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico on an oil rig, jerking off.

#325 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2008-09-12 10:15 AM | Reply

Yeah, because everyone knows the internet kept people from jerking off...

Oh, probably sitting out in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico on an oil rig, jerking off.

Not with a storm out there. I have to limit my autoerotic activities to the confines of my own home.

Now, what did she do about that policy?

???

You've been screaming that she has done nothing.

Honestly, doc -- as I said upthread, I am much more interested in her stance on foreign policy, the economy, the war in Iraq, trade deficits, China, etc. than I am on a law she didn't pass that affect on average a person or two (or their insurance companies) a decade.

So I'll let you have the last word on this tempest in a teapot. It really is a non-issue in the big scheme of things. But sheeple have to have something to whine about, so if this is the left's cause celebre take it by the horns and run with it.

Me? I think there are far, far larger fish to fry.

The floor is yours.

Goat, I doubt it was a "law." Probably a policy. Which she apparently never spoke out against or did anything to revoke.

Like you, I'm more interested in her stands on other, larger issues. But if she never did anything to dismantle this policy, that says something about her. Something I find offensive.

Her statement about the possibility of NATO going to war with Russia is alarming and her lack of awareness about the Bush Doctrine is beyond ridiculous. Those are, of course, matters of considerably greater import and consequence.

Anyway, I think we've probably run this one dry.

How are things going for you at this point with Ike?

How are things going for you at this point with Ike?

We should be safe here in San Antonio. They are predicting 40-50 MPH winds and up to 2" of rain tomorrow. But I think we can handle that. There will be a lot of messy yards, but probably very little if any property damage.

Right now the sun is shining. I just hung up a load of laundry on the line to dry, AAMOF.

Here we go again. . .

Palin's town had a tiny population of around 6,300. I am sure they did not have enough money in the treasury for stop lights or rape kits. They are lucky they had money for law enforcement at all.

sombody has to pay

"sombody(sic) has to pay"

Posted by mcduff

We can start with your spelling teacher.

Then, when the swift, competent police convict the perp, he can pay. What a thought!

New Evidence: Palin Had Direct Role In Charging Rape Victims For Exams
www.huffingtonpost.com

Maybe one of you lefties can help me here. Generally I avoid the huffington post for this very reason. The article has a link that 'proves' Palin had an involvement in charging victims for rape kits. But as is often the case with huffington drivel, it is a link which has page of links which of course to lead to more links.

Why didn't they post the relevant link? Can someone tell me which one is indeed the relevant link?

When a web site pulls this kind of crap, I have to be very suspicious. It is just as easy to post the relevant link as it is to post to the 'master' link or web page. Why don't they do that? A: They know that no one will take the time to go through every branch on the 'link tree'. They know people like doc will post it and if it gets posted enough (even if never viewed) well we all know it's gotta be true.

So can anyone help ms huffington regain some credibility and post the relevant link?

Thanks

"I am sure they did not have enough money in the treasury for stop lights or rape kits."

Here's another link.

I guess if your link is true, Chris, this precludes anyone from Illinois, North Carolina, Georgia, or Arkansas from ever being fit to be tapped for the VP position.

Unless of course they are a democrat? Then the policy doesn't really matter -- right? *grin* I see a lot of different rules for different parties on this blog. When they are explained, it is always preceded with, "But this is different".

I wonder why Obama never introduced legislation ending that practice in Illinois when he was a state legislator? He could have banned it for the whole state of 12,000,000 whereas Palin could done it for a town of less than 10,000.

Let's hear your indignation, lefties.

Betelg:

I know. That was in the original link that CC posted, which I obviously read (or I couldn't have named the states, right?). It was a joke. Subtlety is lost on you.

From Chris' link:

"Obama filed legislation to change state law so that the victims don't pay. It was signed by the governor of Illinois in 2001."

Palin, on the other hand, did bupkis about it in her burg.

Goatman-
re: "I wonder why Obama never introduced legislation ending that practice in Illinois when he was a state legislator?"

He did.