In the spirit of dishonest headlines written by Murphy...

World class douchebag John McCain releases new ad calling Obama a pervert who wants to teach kindergardeners how to give blow jobs.

This headline is total bullshit...

lmao

Rob is right.

The ad merely claims that Obama has authored legislation to teach "comprehensive sex education to kindergarteners", which is a lie, and easily refuted but for the fact that idiots such as Rob are old enough to vote.

"It is shameful and downright perverse for the McCain campaign to use a bill that was written to protect young children from sexual predators as a recycled and discredited political attack against a father of two young girls - a position that his friend Mitt Romney also holds. Last week, John McCain told Time magazine he couldn't define what honor was. Now we know why," said Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton.

Good response to the despicable McCain/Palin ad from the Obama camp, but they need to do more than issue a statement. They need to run an ad debunking McCain's ad, and they should include the line about understanding why McCain can't define honor. Turning the truth about a bill meant to protect young children from sexual predators into a lie about comprehensive sex education for kindergartners is lower than low.

Over a year ago Obama in reference to teaching sex ed to preschoolers said and I quote "It's the right thing to do"

i was told about this stuff in the gop run america

when i was 5 years old

good ole pedofile reagan

i mean oops..

Nullifidian -

Didn't realize you'd posted this when I posted the piece later.

McCain's new policy... pro sexual predators.

Well you do have to wonder about an old man constantly asking people to "trust" him.

McCain campaign goes after lowest common denominator voters big surprise. He's a Republican, please someone tell me when they don't go down in the filthiest mud and sling it. McCain may just win this election but he will never be a president we can be proud of. Obama needs to learn to deal with this crap much better than he has so far. Get rid of the consultants and just start dealing straight with voters.

Monkey see, monkey do, eh Null?

It's the next generation "call me, harold" ad.

comprehensive sex ed to kindergartners?

Give me a break!

Look, I remember this subject coming up on the DR before, and I disagreed with the left's position on this. Nevertheless, to label this particular advocacy of Obama as endorsing 'comprehensive sex ed' for kindergartners is absurd.

A big middle finger to the McCain camp for this ad.

This is bullshit.

"During his entire tenure in both the U.S. and Illinois Senate, Barack Obama has failed to produce one bit of legislation to prevent cannibalism.

Barack Obama supports cannibalism.

Barack Hussein Obama will eat your children."

paid for by friends of John "I'm Above This Sort of Shitty Campaign Tactic Unless I Think It'll Work" McCain

Y'all didn't really expect Rove to just disappear, did you?

Our campaign tax dollars at work! Disgraceful.

Ya' all should have voted Ron Paul.

"McCain ad depicts Obama as a pervert"

the ad doesn't come anywhere close to Obama being a pervert.

only the dems could turn this ad into perversion

Hey America John McCain is calling you stupid.

I'm suspecting he's right.

Over a year ago Obama in reference to teaching sex ed to preschoolers said and I quote "It's the right thing to do"
posted by shirtsbyeric

As for the ad it's shameless. Bush must be proud of McCain, he's grown into a shameless wretch so fast. I'm sure it brings a tear to his eye when he thinks about it.

Obama and the perverts in the dem party want sex education taught at younger and younger ages because they want to gain control of children's minds like they do in Cuba and North Korea.

Once they get the kids attached to blow jobs and condoms these weirdo libs will be able to push the rest of their crazy agenda: collectivism, speech codes, diversity, global warming, evolution, anti-religion, pro-abortion, anti-democracy, and anti-capitalism.

Counter Revolutionary Commander Thom

I love the pictures they use of Hussien. They were specifically used because they make Obama look like curious george/alfred e newman.

Again children Sam Stein is a bloger not a journalist. He is also a moron.

But that aside you can put lipstick on a racist, sexist, Marxist, pig like Obama and he is still a racist, sexist, Marxist pig.

Commander Thom, Leader of Men

Hey America John McCain is calling you stupid.

I'm suspecting he's right.

#18 | Posted by danni at 2008-09-10 09:20 AM
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No danni, just the liberals and he is right.

I give it less than 24 hours before some slope-browed mouthbreather is calling Obama a "kiddie-toucher" because of this ad.

You have to give McCain the benefit of the doubt though, I seriously question whether he reviews every campaign ad that is placed on the radio, tv, or newspapers. What's sad and nauseating is that after saying that he would not engage in this type of campaign, that is exactly what McCain's people are doing when they release shit like this.

I guess the mccain type of sex education worked well for palins' child. Maybe we should push his style to the rest of the country.

Wait... this thread that Null put up as a retort/insult to Murphy is up on the front page but not the Pig thread?

LOL... Obama's pig gaffe is all anyone is talking about today...

"You have to give McCain the benefit of the doubt though, I seriously question whether he reviews every campaign ad that is placed on the radio, tv, or newspapers."

If it says "I'm John McCain and I approved this ad", he damn well better have reviewed it.

No danni, just the liberals and he is right.

#24 | POSTED BY MUTT

It took you a whole 7 minutes to come up with that? Do better than you're doing Mutt.

This goes along with McCain saying Obama will raise taxes. Simple lies that he knows will sway the weak minded. McCain can't win on the issues or the truth--his only hope is that people buy his lies like they bought the lies from Bush. He has a good chance.

Obama will raise taxes on those who make more than 250,000 a year---is that YOU? Obama would promote age appropriate sex education which would give greater protection from pedophiles. Sounds like a good idea to me---I guess McCain favors the pedophile stance and hopes to keep children innocent of what is wrongful touching.

"LOL... Obama's pig gaffe is all anyone is talking about today..."

Corporate media has gotten their orders from above and are the obedient lap dogs of the REpublican party that we have known them to be for years.

It took you a whole 7 minutes to come up with that? Do better than you're doing Mutt.

#29 | Posted by ddenton at 2008-09-10 09:34 AM | Reply

It took you 7 to comment on his.

I think Obama should repeat the lipstick on a pig statement from now until election day

It's true---that is what Palin is--pretty lipstick on the pig McCain

SanAn,

Good point.

I think Obama should repeat the lipstick on a pig statement from now until election day

Posted by Buffalo_Bob
===========================

I 100% AGREE!

Keep it up Hussein!

FACT!

Over a year ago Obama in reference to teaching sex ed to preschoolers said and I quote "It's the right thing to do"

#5 | Posted by shirtsbyeric

You are an ignorant ass. REally -if you can't take the time out to find out what he actually said, then why don't you just STFU?

Good grief these simpletons are pathetic at times.

Good grief these simpletons are pathetic at times.

#36 | Posted by midiman

Who is more pathetic, the simpleton or the person who keeps losing elections to simpletons?

These smear tactics are straight out of the Rove playbook. While Cindy McCain runs around in a $300,000 convention gown, Obama is accused of being an elitist. How absurd is this? The fact that Rethuglican loyalists people buy it is proof the majority of voters are idiots. Obama thinks and speaks more clearly than McCain or Shrub, so make a positive a negative, at least in small minds of rednecks and evangelicals. In this country that can take you over the top. Even if it won't Diebold now provides a last line of defense in States with Rethuglican Governors and Secretaries of State. Anywhere else it would be too difficult.

There are several indications that McCain is desperate even though the media continues to maintain this is not only a horserace, but McCain is ahead. Fear and uncertainty feed advertising revenues in a big way.

Its all bullshit and its bad for you.

Sorry Denton I don't sit in my mothers basement reading the DR while wacking off like you waiting for my next chance to retort.

#38 | POSTED BY MUTT

Actually I'm at work making sure your mommy and daddy's checks to their brokerage account get processed in a timely manner.

Count my posts on this thread, then count yours, and tell me who's foaming at the mouth for the next post, Princess.

You DR psycopaths are trying to go off on a tanget. The headline is the real attack ad. McCane said nothing in the add that is factually wrong. Here is the core of the bill Mohamad Hussiam Obama....I mean Barack Hussian Obama passed.

Each class or course in comprehensive sex
education offered in any of grades K through 12 shall
include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted
infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread
of HIV AIDS. Nothing in this Section prohibits instruction in
sanitation, hygiene or traditional courses in biology.

Corporate media has gotten their orders from above and are the obedient lap dogs of the REpublican party that we have known them to be for years.

#31 | Posted by danni at 2008-09-10 09:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

Smoking too much dope consistently year after year after..........brings on such paranoia.

Actually I'm at work making sure your mommy and daddy's checks to their brokerage account get processed in a timely manner.

Count my posts on this thread, then count yours, and tell me who's foaming at the mouth for the next post, Princess.

#40 | Posted by ddenton at 2008-09-10 09:45 AM

Ahh, you're a clerk, how quaint.

Who is more pathetic, the simpleton or the person who keeps losing elections to simpletons?

#37 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-09-10 09:40 AM | Reply

The simpletons. People like you. You think you have ever won an election? No. That's what makes you a simpleton.

Nutcase demonstrates that he doesn't go beyond the talking point. His knowledge of actual events is as deep as the one liner he heard and feels the need to repeat.

With people like nutcase and goblins on your side how can you lose...

The simpletons. People like you. You think you have ever won an election? No. That's what makes you a simpleton.

#44 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-09-10 09:52 AM | Reply |

The bigfoot hoax believer, 911 conspiracy freak, and the smokestack on the moon loon calling somebody else a simpleton is fucking priceless.

You're an absolute peach Bobby.

You DR psycopaths are trying to go off on a tanget.

Why? We're "off on a tangent" because nobody is paying attention to your bullshit?

I'd be willing to bet most people here, even some righties would consider you the "psycopath".

McCane said nothing in the add that is factually wrong.

Boy, the least you can do is spell your candidate's name correctly. How about "Learning about sex before learning to read?" the ad says. "Barack Obama. Wrong on education. Wrong for your family.".
How is this factually correct? He doesn't want to teach them how to have sex, he wants to teach them about inappropriate touching.

I'm willing to bet you don't have kids. People without kids don't know what it's like to have to protect kids from predators. People with kids can recognize the need to atleast tell them "someone touching you here is wrong...".

101

You believe kerosene melts steel--and you call me a whacko?

Tell me what you see--I'm always amused by the idiots view on life.

This ad is unbelievably slimy -- depicting Obama as a leering figure who wants to teach "comprehensive" sex education to kids, when what the bill did was help teach stranger danger to kids about sexual predators. McCain has no honor. Wonder if he ever did.

depicting Obama as a leering figure who wants to teach "comprehensive" sex education to kids, when what the bill did was help teach stranger danger to kids about sexual predators.

Obama can release his own video clarifying what type of sex education he wants to teach kindergarteners... if he's freaking retarded...

Ahh, you're a clerk, how quaint.

#43 | POSTED BY MUTT

Actually Tiffany, I support the infrastructure of a company that processes hundreds of thousands of check transactions a day, with customers nationwide.

The bigfoot hoax believer, 911 conspiracy freak, and the smokestack on the moon loon calling somebody else a simpleton is fucking priceless.

You're an absolute peach Bobby.

#46 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-09-10 09:54 AM

101,
Being a conspiracy freak doesn't mean that B_Bob is a simpleton, it means that his sanity is questionable. Distinct difference.

The faux outrage is a nice touch Rogers. I'm sure you're deeply troubled by this political ad.

You wouldn't mind linking me to the bill so I can read that the comprehensive sex ed for kindergarten kids is strictly limited to stranger danger and inappropriate touching, would you? It's not that I think you're trying to put a positive spin on it, I just don't believe you.

Silence that was adorable... you're a treat...

The faux outrage is a nice touch Rogers.
Posted by 101Chairborne

Or at least a nice deflection after last night.

Boy, the least you can do is spell your candidate's name correctly..

#47 | Posted by ddenton at 2008-09-10 09:57 AM

Guilty, I didn't know you got points for spell checking on a blog. You must have been potty trained too early Denton.
***

I'm willing to bet you don't have kids. People without kids don't know what it's like to have to protect kids from predators. People with kids can recognize the need to atleast tell them "someone touching you here is wrong...".

#47 | Posted by ddenton at 2008-09-10 09:57 AM

How wrong you are, AGAIN.

But tell me how that kerosene melts steel again?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by Buffalo_Bob
==================

Folks we have now outed Buffalo Bob!

Its ROSIE!!!!!!!

FACT!

"Smoking too much dope consistently year after year after..........brings on such paranoia."

Riiight. I turned on MSNBC this a.m. which is supposedly liberal leaning and all they could talk about was Obama's use of the lipstick on a pig thing, they never seem to have time though to discuss the lies McCain peddles. Just a coincidence I'm sure and the ownership of the networks would never push their own agenda....riiiight.

Actually Tiffany, I support the infrastructure of a company that processes hundreds of thousands of check transactions a day, with customers nationwide.

#52 | Posted by ddenton at 2008-09-10 10:01 AM

And just think how much more efficient you would be if stopped wasting time on blogs. Do you charge the time you are on a blog to the compamy?

Pervert???????

Who says McLame didn't learn anything from his beatdown in 2000?

He certainly learned to embrace all of those things he denounced then...

He certainly learned to blame the media for any of his (or his VP pick's) troubles...

...and he certainly learned to use the same type of attack ads.

when what the bill did was help teach stranger danger to kids about sexual predators

I'm gonna call bullshit on this for at least one reason:

I turned on MSNBC this a.m. which is supposedly liberal leaning and all they could talk about was Obama's use of the lipstick on a pig thing, they never seem to have time though to discuss the lies McCain peddles.
Posted by danni

You can't blame them for covering a Catagory 5 fuckup.

Guilty, I didn't know you got points for spell checking on a blog. You must have been potty trained too early Denton.

Could be. I was pissing on your mom's face by the time I was 2.

#47 | Posted by ddenton at 2008-09-10 09:57 AM
How wrong you are, AGAIN.

#57 | POSTED BY MUTT

Well then, demonstrate that you know better. Again, do better than you're doing.

Obama and the perverts in the dem party want sex education taught at younger and younger ages because they want to gain control of children's minds like they do in Cuba and North Korea.

Once they get the kids attached to blow jobs and condoms these weirdo libs will be able to push the rest of their crazy agenda: collectivism, speech codes, diversity, global warming, evolution, anti-religion, pro-abortion, anti-democracy, and anti-capitalism.

Counter Revolutionary Commander Thom
posted by FWThom

FACT!

What the hell are "speech codes"? Just more paranoia from Thom?

"'Nobody's suggesting that kindergartners are going to be getting information about sex in the way that we think about it,'" Obama told the Daily Herald. "'If they ask a teacher 'where do babies come from,' that providing information that the fact is that it's not a stork is probably not an unhealthy thing. Although again, that's going to be determined on a case by case basis by local communities and local school boards.'"

Even Obama says it wasn't just about teaching kids to recognize inappropriate touching...

But I think that was obvious to everyone...

Sorry Denton I don't sit in my mothers basement reading the DR while wacking off like you waiting for my next chance to retort.

#38 | Posted by Mutt

So you read the DR after you have finished. Make sure you wash your hands.

Over a year ago Obama in reference to teaching sex ed to preschoolers said and I quote "It's the right thing to do"
posted by shirtsbyeric

Being as you are completely full of shit 9.9 times out of 10 you'll have to excuse me for not taking your word. Got a source for that?
As for the ad it's shameless. Bush must be proud of McCain, he's grown into a shameless wretch so fast. I'm sure it brings a tear to his eye when he thinks about it.

#19 | POSTED BY DFIANT

Sex Ed for Kindergarteners 'Right Thing to Do,' Says Obama

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ABC News' Teddy Davis and Lindsey Ellerson Report: Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., told Planned Parenthood Tuesday that sex education for kindergarteners, as long as it is "age-appropriate," is "the right thing to."

What parent doesn't want their child educated that they can call for an adult if they feel uncomfortable and to not get into a car with a stranger...

The parent who has the balls to talk to their kids about such things and doesn't rely on others to do so. I don't understand why so many parents feel so uncomfortable talking to their kids about this topic along with the dangers of abusing drugs/alcohol, unprotected sex, driving like maniacs, etc...

Even Obama says it wasn't just about teaching kids to recognize inappropriate touching...
But I think that was obvious to everyone...

#68 | POSTED BY ROB_THE_A_HOLE

"Although again, that's going to be determined on a case by case basis by local communities and local school boards."

Doesn't this demonstrate that HE'S NOT going to be the one determining what the curriculum would be?

Jet fuel burns at 800 to 1500F. Steel will lose about half its strength at 1,200 degrees F.

"You can't blame them for covering a Catagory 5 fuckup."

Or turning it into one.

as long as it is "age-appropriate," is "the right thing to."

#71 | POSTED BY SHIRTSBYERIC

Read between the lines dip-shit. "age-appropriate". Do you honestly think they'll be teaching sex to kindergarteners? You should really stick to making t-shirts. It requires less human interaction.

The parent who has the balls to talk to their kids about such things and doesn't rely on others to do so. I don't understand why so many parents feel so uncomfortable talking to their kids about this topic along with the dangers of abusing drugs/alcohol, unprotected sex, driving like maniacs, etc...

#72 | Posted by taxman

As far as sexual education ("where do babies come from") that's my job, and I'll have no problem talking to her about it, and I don't want a teacher doing that before I do.

As far as teaching my girl to be safe and to call for an adult if she is uncomfortable with how an adult is acting around her, I'm fine with that... Hell I don't care if every person we pass on the street points a finger at her and says, "Don't talk to strangers." In my opinion they can't hear that stuff enough... but teaching them actual goings on of baby makin'... no... my job... not a teachers.

If she asks her teacher "where do babies come from," I would want her teacher to give some very vague BS answer and then tell me she was asking those questions...

Doesn't this demonstrate that HE'S NOT going to be the one determining what the curriculum would be?

#73 | Posted by ddenton

Right... it means the legislation he supports would have given a very wide latitude for schools/teachers to decide. That's not a good thing...

Here's one fact-check on the McCain attack that calls it incorrect and "out of bounds":

Hell I don't care if every person we pass on the street points a finger at her and says, "Don't talk to strangers."

I think stranger danger is on the way out. It teaches children to avoid talking to people who could help them. We teach our child to talk to police, firemen, and adults with kids. Adults with kids are more likely to help a child.

Starflyer

Kerosene only burns in a mist or vapor. Liquid kerosene will not ignite even if a blowtorch is held to it. Jet Fuel is kerosene. Most of it was lost in the fireballs, and the rest ran down stairs or elevator shafts. The kerosene fire was negligible, and the fire itself was smoke filled indicating a cooler fire. In addition, the fire was not uniform as to melt or weaken the girders so that they gave at the same time. But the key is---heat sink. The girders themselves would have acted as giant heat sinks taking away heat so the girders wouldn't weaken.

Are the firefighters and your eyes lying to you?

Posted by Buffalo_Bob
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Hey Rosie, you are a little off topic!

Here's one fact-check on the McCain attack that calls it incorrect and "out of bounds":

One man's comprehensive is another man's "age appropriate."

Neither is APPROPRIATE for Kindergarteners...

If she asks her teacher "where do babies come from," I would want her teacher to give some very vague BS answer and then tell me she was asking those questions...

#77 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-09-10 10:20 AM | Reply

1. Why is it important to you who gives her the talk?

2. Do you think every parent gives their child the talk?

3. Don't you think every child should have an understanding as to how babies are made before they can actually make a baby?

4. You understand Obama wasn't talking about telling first graders where babies come from don't you?

not just a pervert... but a muslim pervert...

I think I'm on board with Rob at #77.

How pathetic a parent can you be that you aren't dealing with these issues with your child on your own and expecting the school system to do it?

How much outsourcing of your parental responsibilities do you want?

Who is more pathetic, the simpleton or the person who keeps losing elections to simpletons?

#37 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Well, if losing elections means not stooping to that level and sticking to your convictions, I'll take losing, thank you.

1. Why is it important to you who gives her the talk?

Because I'm her father.

2. Do you think every parent gives their child the talk?

I don't give a fuck what other parents say to their kids. I will raise MY daughter...

3. Don't you think every child should have an understanding as to how babies are made before they can actually make a baby?

And she will, by me... not when she's 5... you sick perverts...

4. You understand Obama wasn't talking about telling first graders where babies come from don't you?

Uh, actually according to his words, yes he was.

"'If they ask a teacher 'where do babies come from,' that providing information that the fact is that it's not a stork is probably not an unhealthy thing. Although again, that's going to be determined on a case by case basis by local communities and local school boards.'"

~Obama

According to Obama this wasn't just about stranger danger and safety education...

Well, if losing elections means not stooping to that level and sticking to your convictions, I'll take losing, thank you.

#87 | Posted by TFDNihilist

But tell me how that kerosene melts steel again?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

#48 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-09-10 09:58 A

Yo, Bobby this is a little complecated so try to keep up and take off your tin foil hat.

Steel melts at about 1500C, but it does not have to melt to bring down a building. At 600C Steel looses over half of its strength. Jet-A fuel burns at between 426-815C, depending on how much oxygen is available. The quote below is from the NYFD Chief (ret).

Jet fuel burns at 800 to 1500F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

1. Why is it important to you who gives her the talk?

2. Do you think every parent gives their child the talk?

3. Don't you think every child should have an understanding as to how babies are made before they can actually make a baby?

4. You understand Obama wasn't talking about telling first graders where babies come from don't you?

#84 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-09-10 10:31 AM

I am gong to go out on a limb here, I would bet bob does not have any children.

WOW Buffalo_Bob
THE bombs were so hot the steel was still melting a week later. Now I can sleep at night.

"Here's one fact-check on the McCain attack that calls it incorrect and "out of bounds":"

Factcheck is a good place to look for accuracy, etc. but only when it is defending McCain or attacking Obama, it is never ok to use it to sully the image of God's chosen team of McCheney/Palin.

1. Why is it important to you who gives her the talk?

Because I'm her father.

a)And why is being the father important that you give the talk?

b)What do you lose if the teacher gives the talk?

c) If you give the talk, is it ok if the teacher gives the talk after you?

2. Do you think every parent gives their child the talk?

I don't give a fuck what other parents say to their kids. I will raise MY daughter...

a) You don't think other children living in ignorance will affect your daughter?

3. Don't you think every child should have an understanding as to how babies are made before they can actually make a baby?

And she will, by me... not when she's 5... you sick perverts...

I don't think she would be capable of understanding at 5, and that isn't what has been proposed.

4. You understand Obama wasn't talking about telling first graders where babies come from don't you?

Uh, actually according to his words, yes he was.

Link?

#88 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-09-10 10:33 AM | Reply

"Here's one fact-check on the McCain attack that calls it incorrect and "out of bounds":"

Factcheck is a good place to look for accuracy, etc. but only when it is defending McCain or attacking Obama, it is never ok to use it to sully the image of God's chosen team of McCheney/Palin.

#94 | Posted by danni

That wasn't a link to FactCheck.org... though I'm sure they'll weigh in on the subject...

The fact is whether its comprehensive or "age appropriate" or whatever, kids in kindergarten shouldn't be taught how babies are made.

Do you lefties have to agree with everything Obama says? Is that part of the deal? You can still vote for him even if you just say what you know is true...

Obama is not a pervert he is a big eared PURPLE pig with lipstick, notice I said Purple not black as most liberal @ssholes would say calling Obama black is racist. I knew as soon as McCain picked Palin Obama and all the rest of you liberals would hit the hypersensitivity button, get over it already Obama is in trouble in the polls the race card WILL be played next. What a bunch of whiney @ss liberal cry babies...

THE bombs were so hot the steel was still melting a week later. Now I can sleep at night.

#93 | Posted by starflyer137 at 2008-09-10 10:39 AM | Reply

Actually it was six weeks later. But you never answered the question. What a surprise. Let's try again. The record is thirteen avoidances before they run off.

Were the firefighters and your eyes lying about the melted steel?

a)And why is being the father important that you give the talk?

Because I'm responsible for raising her... because she should feel comfortable asking any question she wants, but might not in a classroom environment with her friends around... because maybe the teacher is a pervert, or maybe the teacher doesn't have a fucking clue what they are talking about... There's a million different reasons why its better for a parent to give that talk then for some teacher.

b)What do you lose if the teacher gives the talk?

Control of the situation... complete knowledge of what she knows... assurances that she has no other questions

c) If you give the talk, is it ok if the teacher gives the talk after you?

I learned about it through health class in 5th grade... my parents had already talked to me, and that is fine with me for my daughter.

Cabo is right... you don't have kids

McCain has no honor. Wonder if he ever did.

#48 | Posted by rcade at 2008-09-10 09:59 AM

Because I'm responsible for raising her... because she should feel comfortable asking any question she wants, but might not in a classroom environment with her friends around... because maybe the teacher is a pervert, or maybe the teacher doesn't have a fucking clue what they are talking about... There's a million different reasons why its better for a parent to give that talk then for some teacher.

I don't see how the teacher giving the talk affects how you raise her--or how she should feel comfortable asking question. Have you thought she might be more comfortable talking to her teachers and classmates than you? Is the important part to you that she receives the information or that you control the information?

Facts are most parents don't have the talk, and teen pregnancy shows it. Facts are most parents are like you in that they don't want sex education taught in schools. That's why there are so many teen pregnancies and abortions.

Control of the situation... complete knowledge of what she knows... assurances that she has no other questions

You can do that no matter who tells her the story. Getting info from the teacher would be beneficial to you since you could correct the teacher when necessary.

Still waiting for that link that says Obama want to tell first graders where babies come from. Need help?

Still waiting for that link that says Obama want to tell first graders where babies come from. Need help?

#99 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

No its been posted twice, along with the quote posted twice... you're inability to scroll is not my problem.

Facts are most parents don't have the talk, and teen pregnancy shows it

The only explanation for this profoundly stupid line is that not one girl went anywhere near you in High School or college...

Rob the Ahole

What was the post number?

facade (rcade) is at it again. He is like all the rest of the lib lemmings. It is funny how scared they are now and will say or do anything. Rats on a sinking ship.

If any of you actually saw this out of that ad well, then you ned some help.

Who is more pathetic, the simpleton or the person who keeps losing elections to simpletons?

#37 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

You are right! maybe this nation has a majority of simpletons who elect faux cowboys and faux heroes because they are just as stupid as they are.

And Obama virtually suggested that Palin is a pig, but not technically.
--Danforth

Here you go liar.
posted by shirtsbyeric

Everyone's a pervert, everyone's a pig, everyone's too old, everyone's too young, everyone's out of touch with America. There. It's all out of the way. Can we please, please start talking about what Obama plans to do for America and how he plans to pay for it? Can we talk about what McCain plans to do for America and how he plans to pay for it? Can we talk about Social Security and get some real plans laid out? Can we get the same for health care and the Iraq war? How about getting a debate going on illegal immigration (or does that not matter anymore)? Let's talk about energy policy, privacy, specifically what programs will be added or cut in all areas and what the tax rates will be for all individuals and corporations. Can we get that information out there and start talking about it? Or are we going to talk about pregnant daughters, angry priests and other irrelevant information all the way up to November?

Rob the Ahole

That doesn't sound like Obama wants to tell them where babies come from--far from it. It seems he is saying that if a child asks where babies come from that not lying to them about a stork is probably a good thing.

What would you tell your six year old if she asked where babies come from?

I think Obama made it clear that "age appropriate" means just that. That phrase makes it clear there should be gradual information given. If he meant for all information to be given to six year olds, he would have said--six year olds need sex education just like teens. That isn't what he said. He said age appropriate. What do you think he means by that? At 6 years old a child should definitely know about "bad touching"--but many don't. I think their education in this area far outweighs your wanting to be the first to break the news. If you want to be first to break the news, ask for the school curriculum for that year and beat them to it. But to fight to keep sex ed out of schools shows your unwillingness to face simple facts. If you need to teach your children how dirty sex is, you can do it any time.

Here is McCains platform. Simply put, but accurate.

Can we please, please start talking about... Can we talk about what ...Can we talk about ... Can we get the same for ... How about getting a debate going on ... Let's talk about... Can we get that information out there and start talking about it? Or are we going to talk about pregnant daughters, angry priests and other irrelevant information all the way up to November?

#108 | Posted by JOE

Do you really not know the answer to any of those questions? As long as we keep re-electing incumbents 95% of the time, the answer to all of those questions is NO... Except for that last question, the answer to which is ABSO-F'ing-LUTELY!!

I guess spending 20 years in church rcade, exposing you and your children to GOD DAMN(much more than that also) america, take illegal land tractions from Rezko and and on and on is honorable, you are one of those party before contry hu? Associating with Airyes(sp?) Thats honorable? Oh you bet from the dem side they think he should have done more. YOU TOO RIGHT.

Joe

Obama will raise taxes on those making more than 250,000 a year. Is that you?

Obama will lower taxes on the rest. Is that you?

Obama will try for an affordable national heath care plan. If you got yours, you can say fuck everybody else.

Obama will get us out of Iraq sooner than McCain. If you like 10 billion a month in Iraq--vote McCain.

Obama will not start a war in Iran. If you want war with Iran--vote McCain.

Obama will raise the United States integrity in the eyes of the world so we aren't quite the laughingstock we are now. If you like our world status, vote McCain.

That doesn't sound like Obama wants to tell them where babies come from--far from it. It seems he is saying that if a child asks where babies come from that not lying to them about a stork is probably a good thing.

You contradict yourself... if not lying to them about where babies come from is a good thing then how is he far from telling them where babies come from.

He wants the teacher to give the inquisitive child a truthful answer... which means, telling them where babies come from.

No matter how you interpret that line though, between that line and the "opt out" provision for parents in the legislation its obvious there was more to this then just safety and predator awareness education as Obama's supporters are saying.

I think their education in this area far outweighs your wanting to be the first to break the news.

You need to go back and read what I've been saying on this thread since the begining.

I have no problem with them learning about bad touches and calling for an adult if they're uncomfortable or not being afraid to tell an adult about something, or any safety issue. I have a problem with them teaching where babies come from at such an early age as Obama advocates.

Schools and teachers can teach all the safety topics they want... I don't care... I guarantee you though, they won't get to that topic before I do though.

Obama will raise taxes on those making more than 250,000 a year. Is that you?

YES

Obama will lower taxes on the rest. Is that you?

NO

Obama will try for an affordable national heath care plan.

No he isn't. He is for national HEALTH INSURANCE - I would rather keep the system as is than inject more insurance company oversight. We need a national health service like England, Germany, Canada, etc - not more kickbacks to the insurance lobby.

Obama will get us out of Iraq sooner than McCain. If you like 10 billion a month in Iraq--vote McCain.

Obama voted to fund the war (continue it) 13 times. If you believe he will pull troops out you are kidding yourself. Regardless of who is president, we will have troops in that shithole of a country for years - well, unless Ron Paul somehow wins the election.

Obama will not start a war in Iran. If you want war with Iran--vote McCain.

Didn't sound like that when he was pandering to the Israeli's. He already said he would attack Pakistan - you honestly believe Iran is offlimits?

Obama will raise the United States integrity in the eyes of the world so we aren't quite the laughingstock we are now. If you like our world status, vote McCain.

No, he will kill the economy with huge deficits due to increased spending. He also will likely get indicted on criminal charges before it is all over if his previous dealings are any indication of how he handles power. With criminal investigations, a weak economy, and the dollar in the toilet, I doubt it will raise our esteem in the rest of the world - not that I give a shit what they think anyway.

ROB.......I didnt read the whole thread. are there more leftists here who bitch at nully for distorting the entire issue?
I didnt think mccain was correct here myself. they should have known what the bill was about.
this is a "touchy" subject, pardon the pun, because its the PARENTS JOB TO do this, not nanny government........its just too bad that we have so many parents who dont DO THIER JOB.

but nowhere will you even get close to thinking that mccain camp called him a pervert
typical liberal spin

I guarantee you though, they won't get to that topic before I do though.

#115 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Rob's pulling his daughter out of daycare early today to get started. I might follow his example and do the same.... *ugh.

Fatherhood... its a sonofabitch!

We are in so much trouble.

Obama will raise taxes on those making more than 250,000 a year. Is that you?

Obama will lower taxes on the rest. Is that you?

Obama will try for an affordable national heath care plan. If you got yours, you can say fuck everybody else.

Obama will get us out of Iraq sooner than McCain. If you like 10 billion a month in Iraq--vote McCain.

Obama will not start a war in Iran. If you want war with Iran--vote McCain.

Obama will raise the United States integrity in the eyes of the world so we aren't quite the laughingstock we are now. If you like our world status, vote McCain.

#113 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008

HEY BOB>.......hows it hanging

obama has now changed his hardline stance on tax cuts........(see orielly interview)
JUST as he has backtracked on occasion about getting troops out so your comments are tepid at best.

rest of the world can go to hell but its us that they still come to for help.

but nowhere will you even get close to thinking that mccain camp called him a pervert
typical liberal spin

#117 | Posted by bushlovertwo

What's funny is Null put this thread up with the title as a slam against murphy for the "Obama calls Palin a Pig," thread, and yet it ends up on the front page with pretty much the same title...

lower taxes on us?

so he will tax the rich and give to the poor.
hey I hear a little robin hood soundtrack, dont you?
or is that the sound of "YES COMRADE" instead.......

Hell Null even says so in his first post:

In the spirit of dishonest headlines written by Murphy...

and here we are...

I didnt think mccain was correct here myself. they should have known what the bill was about.

Well, they just omitted the word 'age-appropriate' before comprehensive sexual education. The bill was targeted at K-12 (which includes kindergarten) and did focus on comprehensive sexual education. Obama just added verbally that it should be age appropriate...so, the ad was 100% correct on the bill, which is exactly what the ad talked about - educational bills passed by Obama. It did not speak to his verbal musing afterwards - Obama can do an add and clear up how his voting record does not match his personal feelings, that is not MAC's job.

Rob the Ahole

Do you think the only alternative to a child asking "where do babies come from" is to tell them a lie or to tell them everything? Is that all you can come up with? No wonder you think Obama wants to teach where babies come from to first graders.

How about this. Tell them babies come from a special place and mommies bring them home from the hospital.

You never answered the question. Let's try again.

What would you tell your six year old if she asked where babies come from?

Would you tell her the stork brings babies or would you tell her the whole thing?

"so, the ad was 100% correct on the bill, which is exactly what the ad talked about"
--JACQUE_STRAP

Not to mention, the look on Obama's face is hilarious.

so he will tax the rich and give to the poor.
hey I hear a little robin hood soundtrack, dont you?
or is that the sound of "YES COMRADE" instead.......

#121 | Posted by bushlovertwo at 2008-09-10 12:01 PM | Reply

Just reversing the Bush program of taxing the poor and giving to the rich.

or is that the sound of

YES COMMISSAR

obama has now changed his hardline stance on tax cuts........(see orielly interview)
JUST as he has backtracked on occasion about getting troops out so your comments are tepid at best.

rest of the world can go to hell but its us that they still come to for help.

#119 | Posted by bushlovertwo

here is a transcript of the o'reilly interview

Just reversing the Bush program of taxing the poor and giving to the rich.

or is that the sound of

YES COMMISSAR

#126 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

The poor don't pay any federal taxes.

I posted this for Rcade earlier and surprise surprise, no response...

You wouldn't mind linking me to the bill so I can read that the comprehensive sex ed for kindergarten kids is strictly limited to stranger danger and inappropriate touching, would you? It's not that I think you're trying to put a positive spin on it, I just don't believe you.

#52 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-09-10 10:02 AM | Reply

What's the matter lefties? Why did all of you "it's only about stranger danger" creeps run and hide?

lower taxes on us?

so he will tax the rich and give to the poor.
hey I hear a little robin hood soundtrack, dont you?
or is that the sound of "YES COMRADE" instead.......

#121 | Posted by bushlovertwo

the options are continue the way we are going-add debt to the credit card of china
raise taxes on everyone-most americans dont have the money
lower taxes on everyone-adds MORE to the debt
raise taxes on those with the money

hmmmm if you are making $50K per year what should YOUR choice be?

What would you tell your six year old if she asked where babies come from?

Would you tell her the stork brings babies or would you tell her the whole thing?

#124 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

Actually I had answered this question already much earlier before you even asked it... I said I would prefer a vague BS answer given to my kid and then the teacher notifies me she is asking those types of questions so I can talk to her about it. Then at home I would let her ask me questions and depending on her age I would tell her what she needs to know.

The idea that is what Obama wants though is laughable... they needed legislation in Illinois to say that a teacher could do that? Give me a break Bob... you don't need legislation for that. They were trying to form some kind of curriculum for sex education at all levels and you know it.

"typical liberal spin

Posted by bushlovertwo"

What whooshing sound you heard was the entire point of the thread whizzing over your head.

The poor don't pay any federal taxes.

#128 | Posted by STIRSUMUP

yes they do or havent you ever heard of FICA?

What's the matter lefties? Why did all of you "it's only about stranger danger" creeps run and hide?

#129 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Maybe they're waiting for the reply from the Obama camp on what they should say back...

*That*, not What

"whooshing sound you heard was the entire point of the thread whizzing over your head."

He hears it all the time, all the time.
Still thinks it's the flies trying to steel the honey that keeps his toupee in place.

They were trying to form some kind of curriculum for sex education at all levels and you know it.

#131 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-09-10 12:14 PM | Reply

Yes. Absolutely. Age Appropriate.

Get it?

Yet?

hmmmm if you are making $50K per year what should YOUR choice be?

#130 | Posted by uallsuck

Im not a Republican because I grew up rich, but because I didnt want to spend the rest of my life poor, waiting for the government to rescue me.

~Mike Huckabee

typical liberal spin

Posted by bushlovertwo"

What whooshing sound you heard was the entire point of the thread whizzing over your head.

#132 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at

wrong again bucket breath.........you just dont want to admit that this shit goes on from the left over and over

and notice how they change things.
during the election of 04. the republican who went after pages was headline news and now with the media pick running behind in polls, we hear NOT ONE WORD about rangle in MORE TROUBLE.....the head of the ways and means committe who doesnt pay all of his taxes........

what does that have to do here?
easy....more typical liberal hypocracy and spin

Yes. Absolutely. Age Appropriate.

Get it?

Yet?

#137 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

Yes, and what we're saying is its not appropriate for teachers to be giving sex ed to kindergarteners... any form.

What harm does it do to tell a kindergartener that a stork does it, or any old BS line and then let the parents deal with it? What harm does that do to a Kindergartener...

Most kindergarteners believe in Santa Claus, does Obama think we should legislate telling them that's fucking stupid and its Mom and Dad putting presents under the tree?

Im not a Republican because I grew up rich, but because I didnt want to spend the rest of my life poor, waiting for the government to rescue me.

~Mike Huckabee

#138 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 200

thank you so much........I was trying to remember the exact quote.........

THIS is the essence of liberalism in one tight little sentence.......

SORRY......about the tight little remark...still looking at the blonde across the library

I posted this for Rcade earlier and surprise surprise, no response...

You wouldn't mind linking me to the bill so I can read that the comprehensive sex ed for kindergarten kids is strictly limited to stranger danger and inappropriate touching, would you? It's not that I think you're trying to put a positive spin on it, I just don't believe you.

#52 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-09-10 10:02 AM | Reply

What's the matter lefties? Why did all of you "it's only about stranger danger" creeps run and hide?

#129 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-09-10 12:12 PM | Reply

Rob,

I've had this discussion with BBob before.

He believes that not only is this information totally appropriate for 5-year olds, but that the state should circumvent the wishes of the parents and provide this information no matter what.

This is his opinion and that's fine. I just wanted you to be aware of what you are ultimately dealing with on this one.

Im not a Republican because I grew up rich, but because I didnt want to spend the rest of my life poor, waiting for the government to rescue me.

~Mike Huckabee

#138 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at

if you are poor under the current republican polices you will never become rich

"wrong again bucket breath......."

No, I'm not wrong. You did your usual act of jumping in late in a thread and not really understanding the whole gist of what went on before. At least read the very first post and you might have a starting point.

(a) If any school district provides courses of
8 instruction designed to promote wholesome and comprehensive
9 understanding of the emotional, psychological, physiological,
10 hygienic and social responsibility aspects of family life,
11 then such courses of instruction shall include the teaching
12 of prevention of unintended pregnancy and all options related
13 to unintended pregnancy,
14 appropriate to the various grade levels; and whenever such
15 courses of instruction are provided in any of grades K 6
16 through 12, then such courses also shall include age
17 appropriate instruction on the prevention of sexually
18 transmitted infections, including the prevention,
19 transmission and spread of HIV AIDS. However, no pupil shall
20 be required to take or participate in any family life class
21 or course on HIV instruction if his parent or guardian
22 submits written objection thereto, and refusal to take or
23 participate in such course or program shall not be reason for
24 suspension or expulsion of such pupil

101chariborne I presume you are now reading the law that is the basis for McCain's assertion?

age appropriate.

This is his opinion and that's fine. I just wanted you to be aware of what you are ultimately dealing with on this one.

#144 | Posted by JeffJ

I know there isn't going to be a point in this argument where either says, "You're right." I just really like to argue.

Now Buffalo Bob, since its so wrong to lie to a kid and tell them that there is a stork that brings babies, the next time you see Santa in the mall with a long line of kids waiting to see him you're going to run up, pull the beard off and yell, "Its your Mom and Dad, you fucking stupid brats!!" Right?

Day 12: Palin continues to hide from the press...

age appropriate.

#148 | Posted by uallsuck

That's different from the people saying its just about "Stranger Danger"

Day 12: Palin continues to hide from the press...

That would be Day 6.

Only a partisan hack and a dildo would expect her to grant an interview before the Rep. convention reached a conclusion.

Don't get me wrong, I want to see her interviewed as much as anybody. That said, let's keep it real.

OK?

(8) (7) Course material and instruction shall
16 advise pupils that it is unlawful for males or females of
17 any age to engage in sexual conduct or have sexual
18 relations with a minor

(9) Course material and instruction shall discuss
24 and provide for the development of positive communication
25 skills to maintain healthy relationships and avoid
26 unwanted sexual activity.
27 (10) Course material and instruction shall
28 emphasize that the pupil has the power to control
29 personal behavior. Pupils shall be encouraged to base
30 their actions on reasoning, self-discipline, sense of
31 responsibility, self-control, and ethical considerations,
32 such as respect for oneself and others.

(11) (8) Course material and instruction shall
34 teach pupils to not make unwanted physical and verbal

-4- LRB093 05269 NHT 05359 b
1 sexual advances and how to say no to unwanted sexual
2 advances and shall include information about verbal,
3 physical, and visual sexual harassment, including without
4 limitation nonconsensual sexual advances, nonconsensual
5 physical sexual contact, and rape by an acquaintance. The
6 course material and instruction shall contain methods of
7 preventing sexual assault by an acquaintance, including
8 exercising good judgment and avoiding behavior that
9 impairs one's judgment. The course material and
10 instruction shall emphasize personal accountability and
11 respect for others and

The course material and
15 instruction shall inform pupils of the potential legal
16 consequences of sexual assault by an acquaintance.
17 Specifically, pupils shall be advised that it is unlawful
18 to touch an intimate part of another person as specified
19 in the Criminal Code of 1961.
20 (12) Course material and instruction shall teach
21 male pupils about male accountability for sexual violence
22 and shall teach female students about reducing
23 vulnerability for sexual violence.
24 (13) Course material and instruction shall teach
25 pupils about counseling, medical, and legal resources
26 available to survivors of sexual abuse and sexual
27 assault, including resources for escaping violent
28 relationships.
29 (14) Course material and instruction shall teach
30 pupils that it is wrong to take advantage of or to
31 exploit another person.
32 (15) Course material and instruction shall be free
33 of racial, ethnic, gender, religious, or sexual
34 orientation biases.

(1) Factual information presented in course
10 material and instruction shall be medically accurate and
11 objective.
12 (2) All (1) course material and instruction shall
13 be age and developmentally appropriate.
14 (3) Course material and instruction shall include a
15 discussion of sexual abstinence as a method to prevent
16 unintended pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections,
17 including HIV.
18 (4) Course material and instruction shall present
19 the latest medically factual information regarding both
20 the possible side effects and health benefits of all
21 forms of contraception, including the success and failure
22 rates for the prevention of pregnancy and sexually
23 transmitted infections, including HIV.
24 (5) Course material and instruction shall include a
25 discussion of the possible consequences of unintended
26 pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including
27 HIV.

god the horrors of an informed child

if you are poor under the current republican polices you will never become rich

#145 | Posted by uallsuck at 2008

well of course not. its easier to sit at home or sit around the corner store like the bum that keeps asking me for handouts.
its easier to sit and bitch about the evil rich republicans not helping you rather than GETTING OFF YOUR ASS AND DOING SOMETHING TO HELP YOURSLEF

and again we see where libs dont see the greatness of this country and how people can make a successfull life for themselves MANY TIMES eaier without the government in the way........

"What's the matter lefties? Why did all of you "it's only about stranger danger" creeps run and hide?"

#129 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Isn't it ironic that the thread was intended to be about McCain lying, but when caught in the "it's only about stranger danger" lie, they all run and hide.

"Only a partisan hack and a dildo would expect her to grant an interview before the Rep. convention reached a conclusion."

Bullshit. Biden didn't wait until the convention. You're the hack.

SA.....I said that it was typical of the left to just throw in a comment like null did about mccain depicting obama as a pervert.....that is NOTHING OF THE KIND in the ad or anywhere around it.
TYPICAL LIBERAL SPIN and I stand by that comment

god the horrors of an informed child

#155 | Posted by uallsuck

Looking forward to seeing the articles in the news about you being dragged from your local mall for assaulting the Easter Bunny

You get dizzy spinning so much, Jeff?

null........I think that most of us posters from the right think she should be doing interviews, but its coming starting this weekend and your side is GOING INTO IT talking shit about the interviewer already........

Bullshit. Biden didn't wait until the convention. You're the hack.

#158 | Posted by nullifidian

What the hell does Biden have to do with anything? Is he on the ticket? I forgot who Obama picked as his running mate... Lil' help?

well of course not. its easier to sit at home or sit around the corner store like the bum that keeps asking me for handouts.
its easier to sit and bitch about the evil rich republicans not helping you rather than GETTING OFF YOUR ASS AND DOING SOMETHING TO HELP YOURSLEF

and again we see where libs dont see the greatness of this country and how people can make a successfull life for themselves MANY TIMES eaier without the government in the way........

we are speaking of the 95% of Americans who AINT the richest of the rich,those that will see cuts in their taxes. are they the bums sitting on the corner looking for handouts?

the point is that republican policies do not make it feasible for the middle class and ESPECIALLY the poor to get off their ass and do something.

see that is the point you are missing. the middle and poor classes work more and more and harder and harder and still fall farther and farther back.

but in your mind they fail because they are lazy.

nice your attitude is towards the citizens of this great nation.

btw how can this nation be so great if we are all lazy bums?

and besides there is an army of reporters and private dicks in alaska right now searching for anything at all and sometimes just making shit up.
I think she is being 'vetted' pretty exstensively as we speak with more to come.

if it were the dem nominee not talking would I be talking the same shit as you........sure, of course.
JUST LIKE I DID WHEN DEMS REFUSED To go on fox.
of course your side didnt see anything wrong with that because of the sopossedly bad treatment they would get.
and THIS IS DIFFERENT HOW??????????????????

"SA.....I said that it was typical of the left to just throw in a comment like null did about mccain depicting obama as a pervert.....that is NOTHING OF THE KIND in the ad or anywhere around it.
TYPICAL LIBERAL SPIN and I stand by that comment

#159 | Posted by bushlovertwo"

Just go back and read the very first post. Then maybe you won't look so silly.

Biden couldn't wait until the convention

There thats better...

"Biden couldn't wait until the convention"

True, he's always eager to take questions, like he was the day Obama picked him, unlike Sarah! who is still hiding.

first the the slam is that liberals won't post the law

then the slam is that the law isnt about education about inappropriate touching

the truth is that the law is about educating children about many things including inappropriate touching, in fact much of the law covers sexually abusive behaviour and what children should be taught in that regard.

the law ALSO covers abstinence and sexually transimitted diseases and pregnancy.

I'd like a poster sized still of that shot of Obama in front of all the kindergarteners with "Comprehensive Sex Education" plastered across the bottom.

Fucking hilarious.

and besides there is an army of reporters and private dicks in alaska right now searching for anything at all and sometimes just making shit up.
I think she is being 'vetted' pretty exstensively as we speak with more to come.

if it were the dem nominee not talking would I be talking the same shit as you........sure, of course.
JUST LIKE I DID WHEN DEMS REFUSED To go on fox.
of course your side didnt see anything wrong with that because of the sopossedly bad treatment they would get.
and THIS IS DIFFERENT HOW??????????????????

#165 | Posted by bushlovertwo

there is a slight difference, (and I do believe that the dems should have debated on FOX). the voters had other avenues to see the candidates.

Palin is new the race and we know next to nothing on who she is etc. that makes her a special case.

I'd like a poster sized still of that shot of Obama in front of all the kindergarteners with "Comprehensive Sex Education" plastered across the bottom.

Fucking hilarious.

#170 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

that is because you advocate for ignorance-an odd thing in my humble opinion.

Knowledge will set you free.

Age Appropriate. I guess if you were an advocate of education you would understand that concept.

I've had this discussion with BBob before.

He believes that not only is this information totally appropriate for 5-year olds, but that the state should circumvent the wishes of the parents and provide this information no matter what.

This is his opinion and that's fine. I just wanted you to be aware of what you are ultimately dealing with on this one.

#144 | Posted by JeffJ at 2008-09-10 12:24 PM | Reply | Flag

You think it is a bad thing for six years olds to be taught about inappropriate touching? I wonder why.

When Obama's campaign was asked by ABC News to explain what kind of sex education Obama considers "age appropriate" for kindergarteners, the Obama campaign pointed to an Oct. 6, 2004 story from the Daily Herald in which Obama had "moved to clarify" in his Senate campaign that he "does not support teaching explicit sex education to children in kindergarten. . . The legislation in question was a state Senate measure last year that aimed to update Illinois' sex education standards with 'medically accurate' information . . . 'Nobody's suggesting that kindergartners are going to be getting information about sex in the way that we think about it,' Obama said. 'If they ask a teacher 'where do babies come from,' that providing information that the fact is that it's not a stork is probably not an unhealthy thing. Although again, that's going to be determined on a case by case basis by local communities and local school boards.'"

You get dizzy spinning so much, Jeff?

#161 | Posted by nullifidian

No, dickbag.

I am not spinning at all.

I don't find it unreasonable to postpone interviews until after the convention is over, particularly given that she was announced 1 day prior to the convention.

Take your hack accusations and shove them up your ass. You have become one of the bigger hacks on this site, ever since Obama secured the nomination. You have purposefully avoided straight questions from me, while I've dutifully answered questions from you - even when said answers exposed bullshit coming from the Right.

Do you honestly feel that Palin should have said, "Fuck my speech preparation, I need to be interviewed by a media that reflexively hates my guts."???

That's just stupid, and you know it.

Having said that, now that we are post-convention, she needs to get in front of the media, and quick.

Not that any interview she performs will affect your hackery though. In your eyes, she is already a radical and extremist and is probably worthy of a public flogging.

You are rapidly becoming this site's biggest douchebag and I hope you put the kabosh on it.

"Explaining where babies come from?
Sorry...this is a parents prerogative...not the states.

#174 | Posted by kerrin57"

Then send a note to school with Kerrin Jr. and opt out.

"that the state should circumvent the wishes of the parents and provide this information no matter what."

JJ.... there was an "opt out" clause for parents.

Then send a note to school with Kerrin Jr. and opt out.

As long as parents retain that option....

However, that isn't what BufBob advocates - he believes that parents should be denied that option.

Kerrin57

Sorry...Parents aren't doing it. States should educate their children--or maybe you think all children should be home schooled. Children need education about sex, and the parents aren't doing the job.

It does no damage, and helps children immensely if they get sex education. It makes absolutely no difference where the child gets that education from--as long as they get it.

What would you tell your child that the school wouldn't? What difference does it make if it comes from you or the school?

Kerrin,

I am aware of the opt-out clause.

I was addressing BBob's views and he opposed the opt-out clause.

"As long as parents retain that option...."

I'm talking about the bill in question which has the specific provision that parents can opt out with no penalty to the kid.

Sanan....Bet you ass I would!

However, that isn't what BufBob advocates - he believes that parents should be denied that option.

#178 | Posted by JeffJ

and if the parent is the one doing the diddling, which option do you think they will select? teach or not teach their children that what daddy is doing is wrong?

Sorry JJ...I get all glassy eyed when I see Buffy's posts.

there is a slight difference, (and I do believe that the dems should have debated on FOX). the voters had other avenues to see the candidates.

Palin is new the race and we know next to nothing on who she is etc. that makes her a special case.

#171 | Posted by uallsuck

OKAY I can but that and mainly because you made a point with credibility and not just attacks.
point made and as I have said.......we are ALL looking to her talking and she should do it soon and make all of the normal stops.

Sanan....Bet you ass I would!

#182 | Posted by kerrin57

worried your kid might find out something that might cause you a problem or two?

Obama will raise taxes on those who make more than 250,000 a year---is that YOU? Obama would promote age appropriate sex education which would give greater protection from pedophiles. Sounds like a good idea to me---I guess McCain favors the pedophile stance and hopes to keep children innocent of what is wrongful touching.

#30 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob
-----------------------------
Buffalo Bob,

Don't you think that a small businessman/woman making 250,000 a year is going to assume his/her tax burden by themselves? They will raise the price on their goods so you and I will be paying their taxes. They will cut jobs because they are paying higher taxes. Just look at the public disaster that Michigan has become. Companies pulled out of Michigan when the Democrats took over because they felt the businesses should pay more. You can't look at this issue with blinders on and think this is a good idea.

Lonnie

"Sanan....Bet you ass I would!

#182 | Posted by kerrin57"

Thats great! So your rights and your beliefs are not being abridged in any way.

I love it when the law works out for everyone!

that is because you advocate for ignorance-an odd thing in my humble opinion.

Knowledge will set you free.

Age Appropriate. I guess if you were an advocate of education you would understand that concept.

#172 | Posted by uallsuck

You're fucking retarded.

Please link to where I argued against age appropriate sex education.

"You are rapidly becoming this site's biggest douchebag and I hope you put the kabosh on it. "

Posted by Partisan Hack

I'd like a poster sized still of that shot of Obama in front of all the kindergarteners with "Comprehensive Sex Education" plastered across the bottom.

Fucking hilarious.

#170 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

right here you seem to be slamming Obama for his stance which is age appropriate sex education.

if you are for obama's position fine, if not please explain how you are both for age appropriate education and against obama's position.

"Take your hack accusations and shove them up your ass."

Stick a falafel in it you apologist hack.

As long as parents retain that option....

However, that isn't what BufBob advocates - he believes that parents should be denied that option.

#178 | Posted by JeffJ at 2008-09-10 12:58 PM

Why should parents have the right to deny their children sex education?

cause sex is icky?

Stick a falafel in it you apologist hack

Nice rejoinder.

Why don't you run away. Again.

"Why don't you run away. Again."

Fuck off, douche.

"The primary reason she's being shielded is due to her probable shortage of knowledge on certain key issues."

from a person who thinks they are wise.

I am an apologist?

I am clamoring for her to get in front of a camera, just like you.

I am the one acknowledging your criticism, provided she doesn't do some genuine interviews - soon.

How much of a douchebag are you going to try to be?

How badly do you have to be kicked around before coming to?

"How much of a douchebag are you going to try to be?"

Can't rise to your level, jackass.

Don't you think that a small businessman/woman making 250,000 a year is going to assume his/her tax burden by themselves?

You mean people like Oprah--or Obama? You assume that all people who make more than 250,000 a year are in manufacturing. even if they are in manufacturing--raising their prices could cost them more if their customer go to a less expensive product. When Bush lowered their taxes---did you see prices go down?

Companies pulled out of Michigan when the Democrats took over because they felt the businesses should pay more. You can't look at this issue with blinders on and think this is a good idea.

Companies pulled out of Michigan because greedy auto manufacturers took away the job base and the economy. It was a domino effect from the seventies when Michigan failed to adapt to the influx of cheap efficient reliable foreign cars and insisted on putting out gas guzzlers for the next 35 years---including the stupid SUV bullshit.

Fuck off, douche.

*Sniff*

Can't rise to your level, jackass.

You can't rise period, which is why you remain unmarried, no kids and still a virgin. But I digress.

Care to respond to this, or are you going to run away - again:

Null,

I seriously hope she does answer questions, as she should.

That said, has the media ever investigated and reported on Obama's expense reports?

Has the media ever called into question the Obama parents' ability to raise their 2 children as Barack is running for POTUS and Michelle works full time? Going further - has the media ever suggested that Obama should drop out of the race because he has children to raise? Has the media ever suggested that the Obamas are shitty parents as a result of running for office?

Has the media ever scrutinized and reported on all of the earmarks that could be tied to Obama? They certainly have with Palin, and it's SENATORS who tack pork onto bills in the senate, NOT governors or mayors.

Did the media ever place bets as to whether or not Obama would withdraw from the primary when the Rev. Wright story broke?

Look, I am all for a serious vetting of Sarah Palin. Digging into her expense reports is responsible journalism IMO. I just wish the media would exert even a fraction of the effort into vetting Obama as they have done with Palin. For fuck's sake! He's been running for the #1 spot for 19 months now and yet the media can't be bothered to investigate some of the things they've dug-up on Palin over the course of the 10-days she's been in the spotlight???

I've only been drawing parallels. The media has glossed over Obama's relationships with Rezko and Ayers. The only relationship that has even been remotely reported was his relationship with Wright. On that note, has anyone in the media sought to interview Rev. Wright after Obama fucked him over? What about interviewing fellow parishioners who can either confirm or deny Obama's presence during some incendiary sermons? The media has certainly found some obscure Alaskans who question Palin's creds for VP. Of course, they haven't even tried to balance that with some props from other obscure, or not so obscure, Alaskans.

If we ever needed an example of blatant media bias, this is it.

Posted by JeffJ at 2008-09-09 07:53 PM | Reply

"You can't rise period, which is why you remain unmarried, no kids and still a virgin. But I digress."

You're pathetic, hack. I'm done with you.

Meanwhile...

McCain calls Obama's campaign wolves...

You can't rise period, which is why you remain unmarried, no kids and still a virgin. But I digress.

if you dont think obama has taken serious hits over the past 19 months you are deluding yourself.

it SEEMS palin is getting slammed cause all that stuff is being compressed into a short period of time

you cant stand the heat stay out of the kitchen

We can't have any pervert community organizers as POTUS!

My vote goes to McCain/Palin!

They have the experience!

FACT!

"Explaining where babies come from?
Sorry...this is a parents prerogative...not the states."

Posted by kerrin57

That explains all the knocked-up teenagers.

BillOfidian,

You're pathetic, hack. I'm done with you.

Cry me a freakin' river.

You can't rise period, which is why you remain unmarried, no kids and still a virgin. But I digress.

Was that a mistake on your part?

I am married, have 2 boys and get laid regularly.

Regardless, I don't desire a DR war with you.

It is obvious that I've irritated you and vice versa.

I prefer civil discourse if for no other reason that over the years you've earned some slack and that I enjoy hearing your views - as much as I disagree with them.

As far as I am concerned, to hell with recent events - bygones.

Truce?

I've gotta run for now - I've got to take my youngest to the park. I will check back later though.

"Explaining where babies come from?
Sorry...this is a parents prerogative...not the states."

Posted by kerrin57

That explains all the knocked-up teenagers.

#205 | Posted by Zatoichi at

no, that happened because a bunch of girls sit on toilet seats after boys used em-my mommy told me so.

You're fucking retarded.

Please link to where I argued against age appropriate sex education.

#189 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2008-09-10 01:02 PM | Reply

He is retarded. He also doesn't like tag, if you catch my drift.

caution: a troll has entered the room.

truthhurts,
It must suck to continually be bested by me.
I'm thinking you'll be getting suspended for longer than 14 days. Too bad huh? I caused your first one, and now I outed you causing the second one.

Smooches you sissy.

"Truce?"

Ceasefire starts now.

On the sex ed bill, it's possible that Obama had the best of intentions, but the bill text did include, "Each class or course in comprehensive sex education offered in any of grades K through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV."

ahhhh life as a troll

must be good being you.

must be good being you.

#213 | Posted by uallsuck

101 just has superior skills spotting the f.k.a.'s and suspended posters hiding behind new handles.

he must be a dick in the real world.

I mean detective. :-/

just a troll that is all.

kerrin57

Obama didn't want that bill to read that way. He shouldn't be blamed for how others wrote the bill. Obama wanted age appropriate education.

"I mean detective. :-/"

Yes he is. BTW, Chairborneth, did you see the story about your fav babe, Anne Hathaway?

Thanks Null. I will console her...

truthsquirts,
Buh-BYE! So long sucker. Take a hike. Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.

"Thanks Null. I will console her..."

You wish! I think she's above our paygrade.

tattletale=pussy

#220 | Posted by uallsuck

You don't seem too concerned about having your IP address permanently banned.

Sniffle sniffle. Bye little man.

Ceasefire starts now.

Cool.

Thank you.

"Obama supported "age appropriate" sex-education for children as a means of teaching them what was proper or inproper touching, as well as to protect them against pedophiles, his campaign has said."

McSame and the rest of the republicans don't want children to know about pedophiles and how to deal with them as it will ruin the next republican convention.

"right here you seem to be slamming Obama for his stance which is age appropriate sex education.

if you are for obama's position fine, if not please explain how you are both for age appropriate education and against obama's position."

#191 | Posted by uallsuck

Holy shit, you're more retarded than I thought. I didn't say anything about Obama's stance, I just thought the visual was hilarious.

Do your parents trust you with small animals?

"He is retarded. He also doesn't like tag, if you catch my drift."

#208 | Posted by 101Chairborne

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!

I love the pictures they use of Hussien. They were specifically used because they make Obama look like curious george/alfred e newman.

#21 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-09-10 09:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

versus John McCain, who looks like he's held together with duct tape and putty....and let's even get started on the makeup they use on him. I think they apply it with a trowel.

Live or die-
More lies wouldn't have helped?

Live or Die-
So, the truth/lie bit (ie, factual content of the ad) you didn't care much about one way or the other. You just liked the inference of Obama as not quite right around children.

versus John McCain, who looks like he's held together with duct tape and putty....and let's even get started on the makeup they use on him. I think they apply it with a trowel.

#227 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2008-09-10 02:46 PM | Reply

I didn't see a picture of John McCain in that ad, did you? No? So once again you're completely oblivious to the conversation at hand.

Don't look now folks, but the Boyd show is about to start. Better get the popcorn ready because BetelG, Cooper, Barney, Badweek, and assorted other losers will be performing as well.

"So, the truth/lie bit (ie, factual content of the ad) you didn't care much about one way or the other. You just liked the inference of Obama as not quite right around children."

#230 | Posted by BetelG

Pretty much.

When the bitter tears trickle down your flushed cheeks as the emotions take hold, try to keep them from drip-dropping into your cup of coffee or keyboard.

And let me call you a whaa-mbulance.

Just heard the Audio from when Obama was at a Planned Parenthood rally where - after he deigned saying that he said he was for teaching sexed to kindergartners he followed it up with "but that would be the right thing to do".

You can run but you cannot hide Obama.

Just a question; When are all the news outlets going to go to Chicago to investigate the Low Income Housing scam he had set up with Rezco...OR who paid for HIS way into Harvard and Columbia?

They sure are going after Palin...and if the press was unbiased wouldn't they be doing the same thing to him as her?

Fact check .org is calling Mccain a liar on this one.Obama has to call MCCain aliar to his face because that is in fact `what he is.Call McCain on the facts.Fact check is full of MCains distortions and lies.Check it out

McCain should stop pussy-footing around. Just come out and say that Obama likes to expose himself to little girls. Follow that up with an ad claiming he is a Muslim extremest and helped plot 9/11. Go nuts. Seriously -- who cares if factcheck.org and a few pundits call you a liar the next day? Once you've planted a sick and disturbing image in people's heads it's mission accomplished.

He deigned it? Really?

Ok, so he denied it (because it isn't true -- he never sponsored or even cosponsored the legislation). And then he said, but it isn't a bad idea. Ok -- so read the bill.

It mentions comprehensive sex ed (IN HIGH SCHOOL) and says the program should begin as early as kindergarden or 1st grade with AGE APPROPRAITE MATERIALS. For children that young, it means the teacher would explain to them that there is such a thing as inappropriate touching. If an adult or another kid touches you in certain places or in a way that makes you feel uncomfortable, you should tell your parents or teacher.

REALLY DEVIOUS STUFF, EH?

McCain and his damned swift-boaters are trying to make it like he gets off on showing porn to 5-year-olds. So who here is sick in the head?

I have voted many times through the years. I am 78 years old. I have never seen such dirty politics in all my life. When the Repubicans have an inferior candidate, they cover with the slander. Obama continues to run a respectful intelligent campaign. Bush was one of our dumbest presidents and he was also elected with swift boating. To cover their ignorance, they attack a good man.Seems like Rove???????? People are not thinking of all the reasons WHY we were screaming for a Bush impeachment.Keep in mind that the last 8 years, the Republicans were in control of the Senate, the House , the Presidency and even most of the governors offices. Do you really feel you are better off now after those 8 years?

I saw the ad and feel the thread's headline was not accurate. The spot didn't portray Obama as a perv in my view.

And while the ad was short on specifics (the exact content offered to K-12) it was accurate in as far as it goes.

The implication, and I think a fair one, is that Dems are very much in favor of sex "education" - the earlier the better... something many Reps see as more of a family matter vs having the schools be the source.

My life experience tells me that when a person condemns another's behavior loudly, even when the charge is completely silly, then that first person is hiding something.

I'll bet McPOW is playing hidethesalami with Sarah, and when Cindy finds out, she'll have the old coot offed!

JOHN47

"My life experience tells me that when a person condemns another's behavior loudly, even when the charge is completely silly, then that first person is hiding something.

That's been my experience as well, as in "Methinks thou protests too vehemently."

Like you, I'm inclined to cast an eye toward the skeltons in the closet of the one who shouts the loudest.

but in your mind they fail because they are lazy.

nice your attitude is towards the citizens of this great nation.

btw how can this nation be so great if we are all lazy bums?

#164 | Posted by uallsuck at 2008-09

There is a distinct difference between people who sit around and wait for the government to be thier mommy and those who do whatever they need to do to succeed
problem they have is that when the government is into every aspect of you life, you are NOT HELPED. you are inhibited with regulations and proceedures and the biggest beaurocracy in history.
I salute ALL who grab those bootstraps and obama can say anything he wants about not having boots, they are there if you take advantage of them.
this is the greatest and most hardworking country in the world and I will vote republican to keep it that way.

SA.......I still dont see why you are attacking me for comments on this thread,.
the pervert line was an obvious addition by null in order to incite and its bullshit

also I read yesterday that this bill was changed at the last minute to add the kindegarten section
what, if any, effect does that have on the discussion?

its amazing but never doubted that the democrats would fuck themselves up and they have.

"SA.......I still dont see why you are attacking me for comments on this thread,.
the pervert line was an obvious addition by null in order to incite and its bullshit"

Bingo! You finally caught on. The headline was written as a deliberate, sarcastic response to an ACTUAL false & misleading headline put up by Murphy.

Hence your "typical lib" comment criticizing a "misleading" headline was absurd because he DID IT ON PURPOSE.

San--Obama referred to Sarah as a pig and McCain as an old fish.

On this thread--here is the link with the actual language on the bill that Obama voted for--and then the bill did not pass in the end.

But he voted for it--not Present, not No--but Yes.

sa....PLEASE.........it has become increasingly harder on this site to seperate the sarcasim from opinion in many of your fellow liberal posters.
the opinions of so many leftists here are so far wacked out, that it gets tougher all the time to seperate the two.

and what better examples than the recent rantings of jomama and kilfferd.........

kerrin57

Obama didn't want that bill to read that way.
#216 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-09-10 01:53 PM

Buffy...you can put lipstick, a strapless evening gown and three inch heels on that pig.
As a state senator in Illinois, Obama voted for the sex education bill in committee in 2003.

And 2007 Planned Parenthood event....

"Barack Obama complained about Alan Keyes using this argument against him in the Senate race, but then listen to how he ends up."

OBAMA: I remember him, uh, using this in his campaign against me, saying, "Barack Obama supports teaching sex education to kindergarteners." (laughter) And, you know, which -- I didn't know what to tell him. But it's the right thing to do.

its amazing but never doubted that the democrats would fuck themselves up and they have.

#245 | Posted by JMFJ at 2008

correctamundo...

thats what happens when you have an empty suit at the top and a life long professional and entrenched politician in the vp slot.

whats the difference between obama and an empty suit?

"sa....PLEASE.........it has become increasingly harder on this site to seperate the sarcasim from opinion in many of your fellow liberal posters. Posted by bushlovertwo"

That may well be why he said EXACTLY what he was doing in the very first post of the thread.

"San--Obama referred to Sarah as a pig and McCain as an old fish. Posted by MURPHY"

No Murphy. He didn't. No matter how many times you repeat it, it just doesn't magically become true. Even your buddy Billo had to admit yesterday that he wasn't referring to Palin with the comment.

BL2

A nation that can educate its citizens should educate them. There is no reason why every citizen of the United States can't go to college. The nation would be much better off if all those who could be educated were educated. Do you agree? We need engineers, scientists, theoretical mathematicians, and lots of them to maintain our place in the world. Without those brains, we could easily slip into a second class nation with widespread poverty which could very easily cause a civil war.

We can't let ourselves be left behind by countries that are educating their citizens. The loss of tech jobs to India is just a beginning. China, Japan, and others are competing heavily, and gaining ground. The ten billion a month in Iraq is blowing in the wind. No return except death, and more foreign hate for our country. Not a good investment. How many college degrees could we have gotten with last months bill? How many new ideas that will now be a long time coming, were not brought to light?

Just curious--if it were up to you, would you continue in Iraq, or spend the money on education.

"San--Obama referred to Sarah as a pig and McCain as an old fish. "

Murphy's streak remains unbroken; every post contains a least one falsehood or outright lie.

Rouge,

A couple of things:

1. When I watched the video, it was clear that Obama was referring to the pig as Bush, and McCain as Bush with lipstick - he was trying to tie the 2 together.

2. He uttered the lipstick comment on the heels of Palin alluding to lipstick in a joke during her huge speech. Was it coincidence? Was it intended to draw a parallel? When it comes to politics, who knows.

Having said all of that, he made a big blunder IMO. His comment is alreay being effectively tied to Palin - a woman who has already garnered considerable public sympathy over the elite media's ridiculous attacks. At best, it was an oversight. At worse, it was a strategic blunder.

As for me, I am gleeful. This shit has been viciously used against Republicans and Conservatives for decades. It's fun to see the tables turn and watch Obama squirm.

"San--Obama referred to Sarah as a pig and McCain as an old fish. "

Murphy's streak remains unbroken; every post contains a least one falsehood or outright lie.

#254 | Posted by nullifidian

Null,

Invoking lipstick on a pig 1 week after Palin's much-celebrated lipstick joke???

Maybe it was just an unrelated analogy. But maybe it wasn't.

Obama is a politician. You are giving him too much of the benefit of the doubt here, IMO.

Buffy...you can put lipstick, a strapless evening gown and three inch heels on that pig.
As a state senator in Illinois, Obama voted for the sex education bill in committee in 2003.

#249 | Posted by kerrin57 at 2008-09-11 12:14 PM | Reply

Obama didn't write the bill, and Obama was for AGE APPROPRIATE sex education for kindergartners and first graders, etc. Voting for the bill was better than not having sex ed at all. Do you think they are now talking about utereses and sperm in the kindergartens of Illinois? Is that your concept?

Obama made it clear that he was talking about inappropriate touching. Do you think we should keep such information away from first graders? Is that your stance? Or should first graders have age appropriate sexual education to help protect them from pedophiles as Obama suggested?

What's your view?

"1. When I watched the video, it was clear that Obama was referring to the pig as Bush, and McCain as Bush with lipstick - he was trying to tie the 2 together."

I completely disagree. The pig was not Bush, but the old Bush policies that McCain wants to continue, and is trying to put "lipstick" on them to make them seem like something new and different.

The fish is also old policies and ideas that still stink, even if you wrap them in a newspaper called "change".

Rogue,

You make a distinction without a difference.

You and I are on the same page on this.

The point is, he wasn't referring to the individuals, but to their ideas and policies. He didn't call Palin a pig any more than John McCain was calling Hillary a pig when he referred to her health care program as "lipstick on a pig" (comparing it to her 1993 effort).

"You make a distinction without a difference."

No, there is a huge difference between calling someone a pig, and characterizing their ideas as "lipstick on a pig".

Jeff J

How about McCain hinting at Obama being a pedophile?

Palin called herself lipstick. So to say she is lipstick is to agree with her stance. McCain is the pig. Palin is the lipstick on the pig.

Rogue,

The "pig" is Bush - or more accurately, the implemenation of Bush's policies.
Po-tay-toh Po-tah-toh

You seem to want to disagree for the sole purpose of being disagreeable.

You can put lipstick on Sarah Palin, but it's still a pig.

You seem to want to disagree for the sole purpose of being disagreeable.

#263 | Posted by JeffJ at 2008-09-11 12:44 PM

I guess facts have no bearing. Just because Obama didn't call Palin a pig--that makes no difference to you--anyone who disagrees is doing it just to be disagreeable.

I guess McCain calling Obama a pedophile is ok though--right Jeffy? Party first as usual I see. You'll never change.

Here--vote for your man--just get a look at his true face first.

The difference between the two parties is if the dems fuck up---the dems and republicans get together and kick their ass out.

When the republicans fuck up--the republicans deny it and insist on more of the same.

Bob please tell me you are not being serious.

I will vote republican to keep it that way.

#243 | Posted by bushlovertwo at 2008-09-11 11:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

WOW....really? I never would have guessed.

FOX NOISE ALERT: BushLover2 set to vote for more Bush!

Sorry CommonDense, I could care less about McCain. I was just pointing out the simple fact that you've continually quoted posts and then replied with something completely unrelated to the quote.
In other words, you're retarded.

Bob please tell me you are not being serious.

#268 | Posted by salamandagator at 2008-09-11 01:23 PM

I'm being absolutely serious---do you think it was just republicans who kicked the dems out in 1994? No--dems realized that the assholes in charge were fucking up, and put country first and voted their ass out along with the republicans.

Do you think it was just republicans who voted for Bush in 2000? It was just dems that wanted Bush out in 2004--where were the republicans? They were in denial and asking for more of the same---just like this year.

If the lipstick fits...

Anybody notice that McCain wants to fly all over with P lyin. How soon will the story come out that they are having an affair.

What happened to that lobbyist that McCain was boinking. She disappeared.

How about McCain cheaing on his wife with his current wife.

How about MCains wife being convicted for stealing drugs.

Oh well I'm in enough trouble for one day.

What's your view?

#257 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-09-11 12:32 PM

Say it fifty different ways...so he didn't write it...he wanted different language...

Obama voted for the sex education bill in committee in 2003.

Obama voted for the sex education bill in committee in 2003.

Obama voted for the sex education bill in committee in 2003.

Obama voted for the sex education bill in committee in 2003.

Obama voted for the sex education bill in committee in 2003.

Obama voted for the sex education bill in committee in 2003.

Obama didn't call Palin a pig--

I guess McCain calling Obama a pedophile is ok though

LOL!

Obama voted for the sex education bill in committee in 2003.

#274 | Posted by kerrin57 at 2008-09-11 02:31 PM

That's a good thing. I guess you think he should have voted for ignorance.

Here are McCains plans:

I guess you think he should have voted for ignorance.

Not the point Buffy.
The point and truth is he voted FOR the bill. Put tap shoes and a tutu on that pig! Won't change the facts.