How long before Moss turns on the new guy?

How long before Moss turns on the new guy?

A New York second.

Watching him going over the middle will be much more fun without Brady throwin..

I hate the Patriots, hate Boston, and hate Tom Brady. But IMO it was a cheap shot. I hate to see players go down, especially with knee injuries--in fact, I can't even watch the TV when they replay the tape, I get an upset stomach. I've had two full reconstructive surgeries, one on each knee. And every time I see a player go down, I remember what it's like.

In my perfect world, NE would go 0-16, with Brady and Moss healthy every single week. Hopefully he recovers quickly, and comes back to demolish Kansas City and their cheap-shot defense, and burns this POS safety for 10 long touchdowns to anyone BUT Randy Moss. Then, lose the rest of them.

One of my sons tore his ACL playing football, and while I could care less for the Pats, but to see someone go out like this regardless of who they are or who they play for is terrible.

I read on SI that the Pats are bringing in Chris Simms for a physical today. Do they seriously not have a backup that already knows their playbook and can run the offense?

Go Jets!

RIR - I hate to see anyone injured, but things happen in sports and it seemed much like the injury Carson Palmer took. I didn't think it was a dirty play just bad luck. Even the almighty Tom gets hurt too.

Carson Palmer's was a cheap shot too. Depending on the angle, I could see how this injury to Brady was NOT a cheap shot; however, looking at the play from behind Brady, it seems more obvious.
But in Palmer's case, there was no question--a blitzing linebacker (von Oelhoffen) went for the knee, and got it. He's a POS too.

neither palmer's or brady's was a cheap shot

It wasn't a cheap shot. Brady still had the ball and the defensive player was just trying to get the sack. If Brady were a RB, nobody would be questioning the play at all.

Do they seriously not have a backup

They are bringing in someone to be a backup, not the starter.

Cheap shot safety, huh? Well the Pats know something about that. Perhaps this is the karmic effect of making Rodney Harrison--cheap shot artist extraordinaire--your defensive captain?

The Pats just became an average team.

It was a bad day for the two primadonna quarterbacks who were too good for preseason field time. Of course their choice to not take a single snap has nothing to do with their performances... No, what we need are some new rules, something that will keep anyone from even thinking about hitting a quarterback, and skirts, lots of skirts.

I understand Chris Simms is in NY today.

But really, how 'bout them Cowboys?

NE, I meant

"But really, how 'bout them Cowboys?"

I'm hoping the Browns and the Rams really stink because the Cowboys and Philly both looked very good yesterday.

I thought it interesting that both AFC leaders San Diego and Indy were knocked off by 2nd level NFC teams Chicago and Carolina.

The Browns were 7-1 at home last hear. Just sayin'.

Sports is the mechanism that the rich and powerful use to placate the masses. A century ago, the wealthy used religion to oppress the people. Now, the corporate media distract the people through athletic competition in the same way. Professional athletes are little more than enslaved gladiators forced to fight one another; they are puppets of the rich whose main purpose is to distract the oppressed masses from their empty, pathetic lives. Those who follow sports are no different than drug users who inject themselves with mind-altering drugs to escape the misery of their own existence.

This topic is a complete waste of brain cells.

Those who follow sports are no different than drug users who inject themselves with mind-altering drugs to escape the misery of their own existence.

Posted by KnowsTooMuch

Not that I'm questioning your knowledge on mind-altering drugs, but aren't you confusing the CWF (Catholic Wrestling Federation) with the NFL?

"Sports is the mechanism that the rich and powerful use........blah blah blah"

No, its a form of live entertainment just like concerts, theater, ballet, etc. And your snobbish attitude is betrayed by your use of silly faux-inellectual talking points.

Professional athletes are little more than enslaved gladiators forced to fight one another; they are puppets of the rich...

the vast majority of them ARE rich.

(Catholic Wrestling Federation)

Go Cardinals!

Those who follow sports are no different than drug users who inject themselves with mind-altering drugs to escape the misery of their own existence.

I'm guessing that you can't afford to go to a game.

I played football as a kid and like watching it now. I didn't know I was drug addled from doing so.

If Brady were a RB, nobody would be questioning the play at all.

#10 | Posted by Sully
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Well, that's because an RB tends to spend his time running. Except, of course, the ones who play for my Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

I can see how Brady's injury might not have been deliberate, and should retract my comments from above, with apologies. I should always give the benefit of the doubt to the player, unless clear evidence suggests otherwise.

Which brings us back to Carson Palmer. That was an obvious attempt at a career-ending injury, and he nearly got it.

"empty, pathetic lives"

Much like yours, a life consumed by fear of George Bush and obsession over race. How sad it must be to be so paranoid about the world that you can't even enjoy a sporting event. The fact that you have the vocabulary to cloak your fixation over victimhood as some sort of "argument against sports" does not make you correct. Just sad.

I played football as a kid and like watching it now. I didn't know I was drug addled from doing so.

#23 | Posted by rastaninja at 2008-09-08 10:31 AM

You may not be drug addled, but you are the loser that pretended to be Danforth on Nanc's blog and then ran away after he skinned you on that fact.

Why would a lefty pretend to be another lefty? Would that mean he wasn't spoofing but instead really wishes he was Danforth in some sick, weird way?

I have no idea what you are talking about. danforth has been lying about me since day 1. Show me the proof if you have any. Danforth's word is worth zilch these days.

"Well, that's because an RB tends to spend his time running. Except, of course, the ones who play for my Tampa Bay Buccaneers."

Yeah, after I posted that I realized its not the same thing. RBs aren't protected the same way as QBs for reason and that is that QBs can't protect themselves when they are trying to make a throw. But I still didn't think it was a dirty play, just an unfortunate one.

I thought it interesting that both AFC leaders San Diego and Indy were knocked off by 2nd level NFC teams Chicago and Carolina.

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It's week 1. San Diego was 1-3 last year but still made it to the AFC championship game.

Even the Giants started 0-2 last year.

Cowboys started off last season 5-0 but were one and done in the playoffs.

Pirate historians. What WILL they think of next?

I call Brady's injury the return of Vince Wilfork. I don't think Wilfork intentionally tried to hurt JP Losman of the Bills last year (might be the best thing that happened to the Bills) nor do I think this guy intentionally tried to hurt Brady. IMO he was trying to make a play and sack in the beginning of the game.

Tom Brady has been listed as "injured" for every game of the last 3 seasons. Each week a dozen Pat starters are called "questionable" for a game they eventually play every minute of. This is one of the many things the Pats do because they believe the rules don't really apply to them. At least they wont be lying about his status next week vs the Jets.

Brady better hope for a full and fast recovery. Remember he got his job after the Pats traded one of the team's most loyal servants whilst injured. They will have no problem whatsoever of taping up a new QB in the offseason, and the media will give full backing to management as usual. If there is one lesson to be learned from Belichick's reign it is that no name is too big for the trading block/trash heap. If someone steps into Brady's pocket and performs reasonably well at 1/4 the cost, Tom and his 14 million per will be sent to some desolate wasteland for a first rounder.

If someone steps into Brady's pocket and performs reasonably well at 1/4 the cost, Tom and his 14 million per will be sent to some desolate wasteland for a first rounder.

I'm sure Brady will still be able to afford to eat.

BTW, cutting labor costs that much is business.

Professional athletes are little more than enslaved gladiators forced to fight one another; they are puppets of the rich whose main purpose is to distract the oppressed masses from their empty, pathetic lives.

I thought that was what the internet was for?

BTW, cutting labor costs that much is business.

Sure it is. It serves as a great line of demarcation among teams. Some are in it for the competition, the love of sport, the trophy room. Some are in it for the bottom line.

The Browns are a great example. Randy Learner could care less about the win/loss record. He searches the bottom of the barrel for coaches, and haggles over a few quid for top draft choices. He is in it for the money. Meanwhile, his other football team, Aston Villa, will over pay for a young English winger and refuse to sell the holding midfielder for 18 million pounds! He sits with his kids among the fans at Villa Park but watches highlights of the Browns on ESPN like everyone else. Not all owners/teams worship the bottom line.

the browns problem is romeo.

Much like yours, a life consumed by fear of George Bush and obsession over race. How sad it must be to be so paranoid about the world that you can't even enjoy a sporting event. The fact that you have the vocabulary to cloak your fixation over victimhood as some sort of "argument against sports" does not make you correct. Just sad.

My fixation on race? How about this little set of facts:

13.4% of America is African-American.

Approximately 70% of the NFL is African-American.

You don't see anything disturbing about the idea that blacks are paid to mutilate themselves and each other for the entertainment of the (predominately white) masses? And you don't think it's the least bit strange that when a white man gets his knee injured that the media immediately plasters it all over the news, but when the same injury occurs to a black man that nobody cares as much? Or how about that when the injury is "caused" by a black man that it's referred to as a "dirty play"?

Or how about that when the injury is "caused" by a black man that it's referred to as a "dirty play"?

#39 | Posted by KnowsTooMuch

Boyd, is that you?

Sad for the Pats--

What was sad here was the finish of the San Diego game. Ugh! ;o(

the browns problem is romeo

No shit, who is Romeo's boss?

Why would a good coach go there when they know Learner doesn't give a shit about the team? Learner knows Cleveland muppets will show up in their halloween costumes and drink his $8 beer no matter what. The Browns will get the same cut of tv revenue as the Giants or Colts no matter how poorly they perform. The Browns are a business not a football team, expensive free agents--the kind of guys you need to win a championship--need not apply. Learners approach isn't uncommon in the NFL and it isn't a personality issue either. He is willing to spend money and make decisions based on passion not profit, just not when it comes to the Browns.

every team is a business.

just ask the guys who get let go every year because they won't take pay cuts.

"You don't see anything disturbing about the idea that blacks are paid to mutilate themselves and each other for the entertainment of the (predominately white) masses?"

Most people who play this sport (aka "mutilate themselves" in crazy speak) do so for free (Pop Warner, HS, College). And most of them are white. So how exactly are the guys who get payed to play the game victims of racism?

"And you don't think it's the least bit strange that when a white man gets his knee injured that the media immediately plasters it all over the news, but when the same injury occurs to a black man that nobody cares as much?"

He threw 50 TD's last year and has 3 Super Bowl Rings (2 MVPs) in the last 6 years. That makes him a unique talent who makes more headlines that other players, black or white. Any number of white QBs could have blown their knee yesterday and it wouldn't be as big a story because they don't have Brady's resume. You are ridiculous.

" Or how about that when the injury is "caused" by a black man that it's referred to as a "dirty play"?"

Why do you have the word 'caused' quoted? You can quite clearly see who caused the injury and it was an opposing player who happens to be black. Anytime someone has their knee taken out it raises question. The NY papers ran stories saying a hit by a white lineman on a black defensive lineman on the Giants was a dirty play this week. (and it was seeing as how it drew a penalty).

Pro sports is about performance. Nobody cares about race. From your first post, it seems you don't like pro sports and don't follow them. I would suggest you keep quiet on subjects where you are, by your own admission, ignorant.

"You don't see anything disturbing about the idea that blacks are paid to mutilate themselves and each other for the entertainment of the (predominately white) masses?"

Most people who play this sport (aka "mutilate themselves" in crazy speak) do so for free (Pop Warner, HS, College). And most of them are white. So how exactly are the guys who get payed to play the game victims of racism?

"And you don't think it's the least bit strange that when a white man gets his knee injured that the media immediately plasters it all over the news, but when the same injury occurs to a black man that nobody cares as much?"

He threw 50 TD's last year and has 3 Super Bowl Rings (2 MVPs) in the last 6 years. That makes him a unique talent who makes more headlines that other players, black or white. Any number of white QBs could have blown their knee yesterday and it wouldn't be as big a story because they don't have Brady's resume. You are ridiculous.

" Or how about that when the injury is "caused" by a black man that it's referred to as a "dirty play"?"

Why do you have the word 'caused' quoted? You can quite clearly see who caused the injury and it was an opposing player who happens to be black. Anytime someone has their knee taken out it raises question. The NY papers ran stories saying a hit by a white lineman on a black defensive lineman on the Giants was a dirty play this week. (and it was seeing as how it drew a penalty).

Pro sports is about performance. Nobody cares about race. From your first post, it seems you don't like pro sports and don't follow them. I would suggest you keep quiet on subjects where you are, by your own admission, ignorant.

Sully,

I wonder if Knowstoomuch gets all excersized about the unbalanced coverage Tiger Woods gets relative to his peers.

I guess that's a product of racism too?

every team is a business.

Even the ones with owners who put more money in than they expect to take out? Without profit, or even a desire to make a profit, it becomes more of a charity than a business, no?

Some teams, like Chelsea or the Cowboys, are the play toys of oligarchs; money is no object. Some teams, like Barca, are a joyful expression of the collective, owned by the working class families who love them. Some teams, like QPR, are haywire experiments of fed-up supporters tired of seeing sport ruined by bottom-line-bastards and bored Wall Street retirees. And some teams, like the Pats, are simply one arm of a vast business model meant to sell soap, razors, or CBS "restaurant" franchises.

"My fixation on race? How about this little set of facts:"

The funny thing is, I based that comment on things you've said in the past. But, you took the bait anyways and managed to turn this thread into a discussion on race. Because that's all you know how to do. Like I said, it must be a sad life not being able to talk about anything without (a) bringing up Bush or (b) bringing up race. Seek therapy immediately.

"I wonder if Knowstoomuch gets all excersized about the unbalanced coverage Tiger Woods gets relative to his peers.

I guess that's a product of racism too?"

Probably not. Knowstoomuch is a patronizing racist - even black millionaires are puppets/victims. I'm sure he could tell us how Tiger is just some dupe being exploited by Whitey.

The funny thing is, I based that comment on things you've said in the past. But, you took the bait anyways and managed to turn this thread into a discussion on race. Because that's all you know how to do. Like I said, it must be a sad life not being able to talk about anything without (a) bringing up Bush or (b) bringing up race. Seek therapy immediately.

So instead of answering my question, you turned it into a personal attack? And then you tell me that I need to see a doctor because I'm mental? You ignored the issue by turning the thread into a name-calling contest.

I guess you see nothing wrong with rich, white men hiring black men to fight each other in an arena? And selling tickets to wealthy whites and corporations so they may enjoy the bloodsport? You can't even agree that I might have a point that athletics is used to control the populace in the same way the Romans used their Gladiators?

Other countries look at the NFL and grimace at the violence. Yes, *some* professional athletes are paid handsomely... many are not. In fact, how many poor blacks are transported from their homes under the lure of a "free college education"? In exchange, they must agree to jeopardize their health in a brutal contest for the amusement of the student and alumni populace. If you consider the number of student-athletes [sic] who never graduate, the practice has to be considered racism on some level. Have you ever seen the football teams of "white" states such as West Virginia (95.0% white) and New Hampshire (96.0)? How many black students are imported from other states for the sole purpose of amusement and exploitation?

This guy is a fucking loser. Let's beat him up too.

"I guess you see nothing wrong with rich, white men hiring black men to fight each other in an arena? And selling tickets to wealthy whites and corporations so they may enjoy the bloodsport?"

Let's assume that you are talking about boxing for a minute because that would at least make your question somewhat sensible...... My answer is "NO". Boxers are not hired based on race but based on ability. What attracts crowds is not race but the performance of top level talent.

"You can't even agree that I might have a point that athletics is used to control the populace in the same way the Romans used their Gladiators?"

Places that don't have governments still enjoy athletics.

"Have you ever seen the football teams of "white" states such as West Virginia (95.0% white) and New Hampshire (96.0)? How many black students are imported from other states for the sole purpose of amusement and exploitation?"

They get an education and possibly a degree out of it. If the players decide to leave early for the NFL draft that isn't the university's fault.
And again, they are not brought over because "white states" want to watch black people play football. They want to watch top level atheletes play football and they want their teams to win. There are plenty of white kids dying for those same spots on those same teams. They just aren't good enough to earn them.

Your whole racism arguement is based on the assumption that black players are recruited because they are black because whites only want to see blacks on the field. Not only is this silly in the present tense, but it doesn't even fit in with historical reality. When we did have racists running the teams they exlcuded black players. Black athletes had to fight for the right to be judged on merit. Your whole arguement is ludicrous.

knowstoomuch is most likely another neutered self loathing white liberal male.

I guess you see nothing wrong with rich, white men hiring black men to fight each other in an arena?

That post is so full of presumptions I don't know where to start. Even if that were the case, I wouldn't be against it, since our Constitution provides people with the freedom to form contracts with others. Further, your post suggests that there is some sort of barrier to minorities owning sports teams other than the simple acquisition of money itself. There are no rules that say minorities cannot own sports teams. Also, you say "black men" are hired to "fight in an arena" in your general description of all sports. Wrong again. Not all athletes are black, so you are the one who sounds like a racist here. Also, most sports don't involve a "fight" but instead involve playing a game. The only sport I'd argue involves a real fight is boxing.

You can't even agree that I might have a point that athletics is used to control the populace in the same way the Romans used their Gladiators?

No. I pay attention to sports and I am also outraged at our government. People don't forget about war, taxes, corporate welfare and other problems in our country just because they happened to sit down and watch a baseball game.

Yes, *some* professional athletes are paid handsomely... many are not.

If you're complaining about minorities, I'd ask you to do some reading. 7 of the top 8 compensated athletes in America are minorities, and basketball players (most of whom are black) earn the most money of anybody.

In fact, how many poor blacks are transported from their homes under the lure of a "free college education"?

I don't know. How many? Even so, what's wrong with that? Most of them are probably glad to get away from their homes, get an education and play sports with a chance to become a star. Again, what's wrong with that? You seem to mistake the fact that black people are generally more athletic than white people to be the result of some sort of white racism. It isn't. If white 17 year olds were the ones tearing up the basketball courts, they'd be the ones getting scholarships.

How many black students are imported from other states for the sole purpose of amusement and exploitation?

I don't know. How many? And how many of them have this "happen to them" against their own will? Do you have a problem with people choosing what to do with their own lives?

I appreciate Sully's thoughtful response. It's fun to disagree with someone when they offer points that challenge rather than insult. We need more of that type of debate on this site and in America.

I still assert that the NFL, major league baseball, and several other sports enjoy the endorsement and support of goverments, whether they be federal, state, or local. This support (financial and through civic demonstrations) is intended for the amusement of the population. The more brutal and inhumane the sport, the more people seem to enjoy it. (That's a subjective assertion on my part... you might agree or disagree.) As the amount of distractions and amusements increase, less attention is paid to things that matter. I wonder how many people can name their local team's QB but not their Senators?

I'm not saying that the black students who attend school in predominately white states are not good athletes. I'm also not saying that whites wouldn't rather be playing. However, how can you objectively say that racism is not present when the percentages are so far out of proportion with the general population? This would be like looking at the thousands of people trapped in Katrina and saying that race had nothing to do with it -- how could it *NOT* matter?

The universities don't care about the education of the students. These young men are told that they need not attend classes. Some have their homework done for them. Many are put into majors that teach them nothing ("Sports Management", "General Studies"). Most do not ascend to the ranks of the pros, but the schools give them false hope while exploiting their talents for the enjoyment of the powerful who run these institutions and the wealthy who control the funds.

Other countries look at the NFL and grimace at the violence

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Right, like rugby isn't violent. Or soccer where the fans are more violent. Then there's fencing, martial arts, etc.

KnowsTooMuch.........aww, give this guy a break, it simply sounds like he spent all of his time in the band pulling on the trombone and is still doing it until this day. Of course he took that up after being cut from the sports team.

Boyd/Cooper/Badweek/Barney/et al......time to fess up AGAIN.

I suggest you read this article. The whole thing. Just because you see a group of black people somewhere does not mean that a racist put them there.

It's official. Brady is out for the rest of the season.

FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- Patriots quarterback Tom Brady will undergo surgery on an injured left knee and miss the rest of the season, the team announced Monday.

athletes are little more than enslaved gladiators forced to fight one another

Posted by KnowsTooMuch at 2008-09-08 10:07 AM

Yeah. Professional athletes are treated like crap. Some of them are even "enslaved" to the tune of a quarter billion dollars or so.

Where kin I finds me a massa like dat one?

BTW: Did someone not make it when he tried out for the JV badminton squad?

Tom and his 14 million per will be sent to some desolate wasteland for a first rounder.

Denver?

That's what happens to lying douche-bags. I hope he never walks again.

da bears!