Too bad he won't come out against earmarks as a matter of principle.

I challenge Obama on the following
*Tony Retzko
*Weather Underground terrorist association
*Illegal acquiring of his house
*Reverend Wright or Reverend wrong
*Allowing babies to be killed through abortion

BARACK OBAMA SUPPORTS TERRORISTS AND HE IS A TERRORISTS

he's king of posture.

you gobama!

John Martha and Hillary are the biggest recepients of Earmarks is he going to call them out as well..?

I was a membeber of the democratic party until I did my home work and found the following facts

Republics actually helped stoping slavery
Democrats do not see me as a person, through their eyes see me as another vote...

Obama is down in the polls and when Tony Retzko is sentenced next month Barack will be no where to be found..

Obama has lost..Biden will help him destroy the campaign very soon..

OBAMA BYETHEN 2008

sorry Obama Biden 2008 something to that crap

I respect Obama and I know he has a genuine heart for Christ (not a Muslim though he may have Muslim friends).

(I've seen ahead....)

I do not wish this on Obama and I intend not to delight in it --- but Obama will face an embarassing moment soon: something real hitherto hidden may be revealed, or he may goof on something.

Posts 2-6 (so far) are hilarious. I suppose when you can't argue the point, you can always make shit up and deflect.

You do realize how pathetic that looks, don't you?

That is hypocritical after HIS track record!

Why doesn't Obama act like a man and attack McCain instead of attacking Palin and her family?

"Posts 2-6 (so far) are hilarious."

Thanks, Yav. :-)

FWTHOM: who's attacking her family? Why is she off limits to questions? Why have repubs used morals as a dividing line, but have now moved the bar? What's so great about her? What about the bridge to nowhere, the trooper situation? What about McCain's transformation into a suck up to the superstitious base? What about 8 years of failure? What about McCain's myopic views on everything from the backwardness of drilling to the simplistic definition of what the surge was supposed to be? Why should American's vote for more bullcrap, other than the chance to vote against the black guy with the funny name? FWTHOM -- why do you hate the future and pine for the past?

I challenge Obama on the following
*Tony Retzko
*Weather Underground terrorist association
*Illegal acquiring of his house
*Reverend Wright or Reverend wrong
*Allowing babies to be killed through abortion

I would add, how did he pay for law school....

Man, the repubs and their straw man enemy -- the press. The founding fathers would be spitting their false teeth out in guffaws and disgust at this Grand Old Pisshouse as it continues to call for a press that shuts its trap and begs for forgiveness as the nation goes down the suckhole.

I would add, how did he pay for law school....

#12 | Posted by libslayer

if it wasn't with scholarships and student loans, please provide some proof or STFU with this insinuatory crap. You are even more idiotic than NAMBLA member, with a negative 158 IQ, FuckWadThom.

Why doesn't Obama act like a man and attack McCain instead of attacking Palin and her family?

#9 | Posted by fwthom

Oh, come on. If she can't take the heat...

May I remind you Dem's the past two years have been an a complete failure in the do nothing Congress. Didn't they promise low gas prices when it was $2.70. they also promised to bring the troops home but they didn't have the backbone to puit their money where thier mouth is.

The Obiden ticket says the same message as the Dems in 06... change. But the fact is, Pelosi and Reed have resisted everything hoping for a Dem win. What does that tell you about your parties values. Country first... ha! The only ones that have proven records on tackling this corrupt mess is McCain and Palin...

May I remind you Dem's the past two years have been an a complete failure in the do nothing Congress.

#16 | Posted by smashmouth

Selective memory, SM. You may also want to remember that the SIX years befor that, the Repubs had the majority in BOTH houses of congress and the idiot in the WH. That is how we got to the truly fucked up state we are in now. So don't give me the bullshit about the do-nothing dem congress. Bush still has the veto, which he has used like no other president, and the the repub senators and representatives have been top-class obstructionists as well.

The only ones that have proven records on tackling this corrupt mess is McCain and Palin...

Sometimes you just have to read it again to see if you could believe what it said the first time.

Smouth,

Have you forgotten who started this AIPAC war bullshit, labor busting outsourcing and unmanagable deficits. Rethuglicans that call themselves "Conservative". It can't any more Orwellian and intellectually dihonest than that.

The only way the Democrats could have affected gas prices would be to bring our troops home. I can excuse them for not winning, if they had the balls to put up a good fight against the military industrial complex or tried to impeach Shrub. So you make an important point whileignoring a larger truth that the financial mess we're in is primarily the result of deregulation and Republican leadership pandering to their Corporate donors.

But, everyone with a real record of tackling corruption is quickly marginalized. Dean might have done it. Kucinich, Paul and Nader want to do it.

But McCain/Palin talk tough and do nothing while keeping their palms greased.

So you're actually believe we should put a slick junior Democratic politican from Chicago who has done NOTHING in the WH with Madam Speaker and that idiot Reed so they can bring huge tax increases, more programs we can't pay for and powerful unions driving the rest of our manufacturing base overseas... not to mention the collapse of public education

TCS, Post examine Palins pursuit of earmarks

Palin is just another hypocritical Republican. No plans, no positions, just open pockets.Like McSame she'll take any position that makes the Rightys happy. Before Ted Stevens became a joke, she loved him as much as she loved Jesus. Or dope.
If the GOphers supported abortion, she would have personally done one on her daughter at the convention.
She should have flashed around all that profit she made selling Alaska One on ebay.

Oh wait, that was another of McSame's lies.

You do realize how pathetic that looks, don't you?

#7 | Posted by YAV

shhhhh!!! don't tell them ... it'll only spoil our fun. Reading crap like their posts makes me very thankful that I took my education seriously and live in a deep-blue state.

So you're actually believe we should put a slick junior Democratic politican from Chicago who has done NOTHING in the WH with Madam Speaker and that idiot Reed so they can bring huge tax increases, more programs we can't pay for and powerful unions driving the rest of our manufacturing base overseas... not to mention the collapse of public education

#20 | Posted by smashmouth

lo. what an idiot. You forgot welcoming the muslim hordes and massacring infants, along with giving free handouts to mexicans.

Note to young people: stay in school.

I for one do not underestimate Governor Palin's ability to surprise, as I believe she did to early naysayers at the RNC. However, I'm amazed she wasn't vetted more closely (if, at all...) prior to her selection. I can't believe how much dirt has come out in such a short time; and none of it has been factually refuted by the WAaaaahhhpublicans other than Please feel sorry for poor, victimized Sarah.

You don't hear any GOPer actually refuting her blatant lie regarding the bridge to nowhere...they just start talking about Rezko or something...

She will do okay in the debate, however I don't expect her to stray much from canned talking points.

So you really believe that McCain only spoke with her 15 minutes and made his pick. She's been on cable as a potential candidate for months. Considering the ridiculous press coverage, he may have had his sights on her for awhile but made the wise decision of surprise...

She's been on cable as a potential candidate for months. ...

#26 | Posted by smashmouth

A...you gotta be kidding... even repub insiders were caught surprised by the pick.

Second, the only footage of her was town meetings in Wasilla

and D..No one in the McCain camp has refuted the fact that McCain didn't talk to her much before offering her the VP post. Even McCain himself sid that "he had been foolowing her career for months" whether true or not.

You just making this shit up?

Obama requested $740,000,000 in earmarks in 2006 and 2007. Who is he to challenge anyone on that topic?

Read 'em and weep.

Obama: "But, you know, when you've been taking all these earmarks when it's convenient, and then suddenly you're the champion anti-earmark person, that's not change. Come on! I mean, words mean something, you can't just make stuff up."

Funny, since that's exactly what Obama himself did.

"Funny, since that's exactly what Obama himself did."

Obama championed himself as anti-earmark ("and then suddenly you're the champion anti-earmark person, that's not change.")???

You've proven Obama applied for and took earmarks, but where did he champion himself as anti-earmark?

"Who is he to challenge anyone on that topic?"

I believe he's challenging the hypocrisy of being anti-earmark, all the while taking them:

"But, you know, when you've been taking all these earmarks when it's convenient, and then suddenly you're the champion anti-earmark person, that's not change. Come on! I mean, words mean something, you can't just make stuff up."

As mayor and gov it was Palin's job to secure federal monies for her constituencies.

Just as it was Obamas's job to bring earmark money home to his district...while also wanting reform.

I challenge Obama on the GAY SEX EXPERIENCE . DID HE ENJOY IT?

DID YOU?

That's more than any other state received, per person, from Congress for the current budget year.

Why doesn't Obama act like a man and attack McCain instead of attacking Palin and her family?
posted by FWTHOM

"You've proven Obama applied for and took earmarks, but where did he champion himself as anti-earmark?"

He's taking credit for being anti-earmark by requesting "no earmarks in 2009." Did you not read my posts?

Obama's challenging Palin on earmarks?

Smouth,

The problem is we have no other realistic choice. It is far more important to punish Republican misbehavior from Abramoff to McCain than it is to rule out Obama. Palin is cuter than the other candidates, but that is beside the point.

I would much rather vote for a third party, but what if the Republicans won again because of it? It would give them a license to continue to destroy our country as they are busy doing.

"Obama's challenging Palin on earmarks?"

Nope. Obama's challenging Palin on her hypocrisy: Being for earmarks before she was against them:

"When you've been taking all these earmarks when it's convenient, and then suddenly you're the champion anti-earmark person, that's not change"

Wow! The chutzpah and demagoguery being displayed by the McCain camp is absolutely STUNNING!

"He's taking credit for being anti-earmark by requesting "no earmarks in 2009."

He'll have more important responsibilities in 2009.

Has anybody challenged Obama on his eamarks for Syrian slumlords in Chicago lately?
#40 | Posted by Farmer_John at 2008-09-07 02:36 PM

You must've posted a thread on that, yes?
Whuhappen?
Slip through the cracks?

Obama's challenging Palin on her hypocrisy: Being for earmarks before she was against them

...and Obama wrote $750 in earmarks... and is now "against them" for 2009?

Hypocrite, thy name is Democrat!!!

erratum- $750 MILLION in earmarks...

Whuhappen?
Slip through the cracks?

Nope. It got burned in Obama's crack pipe.

"and is now "against them" for 2009?"

So, you're admitting that both Obama and Palin are hypocrites?

Fair enough.

Shouldn't Obama be challenging JOHN McCAIN on HIS earmarks...

Oh yeah, McCain's are miniscule by comparison.

"Oh yeah, McCain's are miniscule by comparison."

That would be the "I'm just a little bit pregnant" defense.

No, I'm NOT admitting that Palin's a hypocrite. She hasn't been a member of the US Congress and so by definition has earmarked exactly ZERO US taxpayer dollars from special projects in Alaska.

Obama, on the other hand, has earmarked $3/4 of a billion, including money to his own wife's employer...

So truth, please, show us a "list" of earmarks John McCain has written... I'll provide one for Obama... and we'll compare to determine which nominee would best qualify for the title "King of Pork"...

"No, I'm NOT admitting that Palin's a hypocrite. "

Sure you are.

"She hasn't been a member of the US Congress and so by definition has earmarked exactly ZERO US taxpayer dollars from special projects in Alaska."

But gladly lobbied for and accepted same.

Recipients of stolen cash, when they know it is stolen, are just as guilty as those who commit the robbery. To say that they weren't in on the actual robbery is no defense. It is called being an accomplice.

Posted by Farmer_John at 2008-09-07 02:48 PM

Oh, so you didn't post it, then?
Pity.
You wanna see something posted here?
You post it.
If you can't figure out the simple instructions Rogers' posted here, send him an email.
He'll give your request all the attention it merits.

"and we'll compare to determine which nominee would best qualify for the title "King of Pork"..."

Ah, yes, the "I'm just a little bit pregnant" defense again. Don't you have any new material?

"...and requesting money from a federal agency... and creating an "earmark" in response to it are two completely different things."

And few people can go a week without a rationalization.

"they have many means of making funds available."

Slush funds? LOL!!!

"I'm just a little bit pregnant" defense again.

Since you have no evidence of McCain ever requesting an "earmark"... so far the only evidence is against Obama... and he's over $350 MILLION pregnant w/earmarks... so unless you can list something on the McCain side... so far, he's still a virgin.

Slush funds? LOL!!!

Yes, THAT would be the way the Democrats would do it... but Republicans usually use the "regular" budget appropriations process... you know the one I'm talkin' about... it's how 99% of Congresses money gets spent.

Earmarks actually represent a very small percentage of the federal budget...

Taxpayers for Common Sense reports the federal budget for 2008 includes 11,331 Congressional earmarks worth $15.3 billion.

...That's out of a $2.9 trillion budget.

Obama's a great guy. He writes earmarks for his wife... he writes earmarks for Joe Biden's son...

He sure likes to keep it in the family... but then that's what Machine politics is ALL about. Patronage.

"Since you have no evidence of McCain ever requesting an "earmark"."

Whoops:

McCains claim is false. In 2006, the senator teamed up with fellow Arizona senator Jon Kyl (R) to funnel $10 million toward the University of Arizona for an academic center named after the late Supreme Court Justice William Rehnquist. Even Arizona lawmaker, Rep. Jeff Flake (R), said he was planning to lean against the measure.-- The National Taxpayers Union, another traditional McCain ally, questioned why the senator was making federal taxpayers foot the bill for the center.

In 2003, McCain also slipped $14.3 million into a defense appropriations bill to create a buffer zone around Luke Air Force Base in Arizona. As Roll Call reported in 2003, this project violated McCains own anti-pork rhetoric

Ah, so now the data is in. Over the past three years, Obama requested over a billion in earmarks, of which $750M got funded... and over the past five years John McCain has requested $24.3M of which we don't know how much got appropriated. And of course, the entire time these two have been running for president, John McCain has requested $0 in earmarks, and Barack Obama has requested 1/2 a BiLLION.

Gee, which one of these two candidates is the hypocrite, the one who has requested zero or the one who has requested $1/2 billion...

Oh, but Obama is promising to change... all ya gots to do is believe! LOL

Farmer John-
Which candidate has as the centerpiece of his campaign his opposition to earmarks? Yeah, McCain. And which candidate chose a queen of earmarks for his VP? McCain again. And which VP nominee queen of earmarks is pretending she's not? Palin.

McCain had no earmarks this year. His last one was three years ago. Palin never written an earmark in her life.

Barrack Obama has written a over a $Billion worth. Joe Biden hasn't disclosed HIS earmarks.

I think we know who the king of earmarks is.

Oh, I guess people are begining to take note of Joe's earmark record...

Funny thing about that Biden number above is that the Obama number cited is 10x less than what the campaign disclosed... so the real number could be off by a factor of 10.

The clock is ticking... you mean the press is actually going to start counting Obama's $1 million a day "earmark" habit?

"McCain had no earmarks this year."

"so unless you can list something on the McCain side... so far, he's still a virgin."

#57 | Posted by Farmer_John at 2008-09-07 03:08 PM

So, since McCain had no earmarks this year I guess that makes him a born again virgin.

WASILLA, Alaska For much of his long career in Washington, John McCain has been throwing darts at the special spending system known as earmarking, through which powerful members of Congress can deliver federal cash for pet projects back home with little or no public scrutiny.

He's even gone so far as to publish "pork lists" detailing these financial favors.

Three times in recent years, McCain's catalogs of "objectionable" spending have included earmarks for this small Alaska town, requested by its mayor at the time Sarah Palin.

Three times in recent years, McCain's catalogs of "objectionable" spending have included earmarks for this small Alaska town, requested by its mayor at the time Sarah Palin.

BWHAHAHHA!

I guess that makes him a born again virgin.

Add in Biden and son Inc. earmarks

It's time to "catch up to history", Farmer John. I understand you're a bit behind there, but electrons just as fast in whatever little fort you've constructed out of pillows and sheets in your den.

Funny how an entire sentence is deconstructed when you forget the verb. LOL on me.

This year, as the Senate funding request deadline approaches and the final primaries of the Democratic nomination process draw near, Obama's staff told CNN the junior senator from Illinois will request no earmarks for fiscal year 2009.

The dramatic change is in line with a statement Obama issued last month in connection with an amendment calling for a one-year moratorium on earmarks in the Senate.

Now THAT is the kind of earmark reform we can expect from Obama... a ONE YEAR MORATORIUM... Woo-Hoo!

What a reformer! A WHOLE year running for president without submitting earmarks. Of course, Obama's earmark requests in 2010 will be at LEAST 1/2 a billion... after he loses and becomes the "business as usual" Senator from Illinois vs "agent of change" of the campaign commercial.

Meanwhile, win or lose, McCain's earmark requests will again total $0...

I sure wish Joe Biden would release data on his earmark requests... these silly watchdog groups keep coming up with different numbers...

Republicans are taking aim, too, at Mr. Biden's record on taxpayer funding for pet projects. Mr. Biden backed $85 million in congressional earmarks to pay for 71 projects in 2008, according to the nonpartisan Taxpayers for Common Sense.

Now its $85M... up from $67M reported earlier.

Might as well blame kids for wanting to visit the candy store.

After all, they didn't build the candy store...

#79 | Posted by Farmer_John at 2008-09-07 07:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Your argument is that Palin was like a kid in a candy store.

Okay.

"Funny how the candy men of Left are trying to paint Palin w/earmarks.

"Might as well blame kids for wanting to visit the candy store.

"After all, they didn't build the candy store..."

No doubt Sarah Palin has the same maturity as kids. So much for just say no.

Interesting observation, farmer.

"Your argument is that Palin was like a kid in a candy store."

LOL, Betelg!!!

...and Barack and Biden were waiting on her hand and foot taking money out of the cash register and throwing it at the customers!

W00-Hoo! Them thar idjits in DC are giving away FREE Money!

No doubt Sarah Palin has the same maturity as kids. So much for just say no.

Yeah, you're right. "Just say no "doesn't work very well when the rest of the adults are pushing free money, free earmarks, and free condoms on ALL the kids.

Gee, maybe that says something more about the nature of "liberal" policies than it does about conservative ones... how they're designed to ensure that the conservative ones don't have a chance in hell of success.

As Isaiah Berlin once said about incommensurability of values, some of the great goods cannot live together, and so we are forced to choose... and the result illustrates the tragic nature of choice.

"...and Barack and Biden were waiting on her hand and foot taking money out of the cash register and throwing it at the customers!"

You're not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer. That would be Senator Ted ("Them thar idjits in DC are giving away FREE Money!") Stevens, R-Alaska.

"Yeah, you're right. "Just say no "doesn't work very well when the rest of the adults are pushing free money, free earmarks, and free condoms on ALL the kids."

We've already established the fact that you consider Governor Sarah Palin a "kid".

Ted Stevens can't pass a bill in Congress all by himself. He needs stooges like Barack & Biden to fill up their shopping carts, too.

And THAT they do. Hillary's was over half a billion last year!

Farmer John-
re: "Yeah, you're right. "Just say no "doesn't work very well when the rest of the adults are pushing free money, free earmarks, and free condoms on ALL the kids."

So, Palin was a victim of liberalism and like a kid in a candy store. Until last week.

(In addition to all the pork she was lobbying for and spending, couldn't she have at least left a few condoms around the house? I'm just sayin'...)

Of course, Obama going to "change" all that....

Don't hold your breath...

Seems that the only man with an ACTUAL record of being able to "Just say no" to earmarks is John McCain!

"Ted Stevens can't pass a bill in Congress all by himself."

You're right. He needs stooges like John McCain to fill up their shopping carts, too.

"Seems that the only man with an ACTUAL record of being able to "Just say no" to earmarks is John McCain!"

We've already established that this was just this year. You know, when he became a born again virgin.

Truthsetyoufree-
Not just any "kid", but a "kid in a candy store" who had no control over the evil influence of all that is wrong in gov't and the world(liberals, of course), until last week.

couldn't she have at least left a few condoms around the house?

She shouldn't have to, should she. The left should stop forcing their values into America's schoolrooms.

...and into America's households.

"Seems that the only man with an ACTUAL record of being able to "Just say no" to earmarks is John McCain!"

Whoops:

We've already established that this was just this year.

...and abstinent the year before, as well. Besides, what McCain did three years ago... requesting $10M wouldn't even fall into a "heavy petting" category compared to Obama bin Biden at $350+M and $87M respectively.

"Besides, what McCain did three years ago... requesting $10M wouldn't even fall into a "heavy petting" category compared to Obama bin Biden at $350+M and $87M respectively."

Ah, yes, your favorite defense: The besides "I'm just a little bit pregnant" defense.

couldn't she have at least left a few condoms around the house?

She shouldn't have to, should she. The left should stop forcing their values into America's schoolrooms.

#93 | Posted by Farmer_John at 2008-09-07 08:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think you actually just blamed liberals for sex, LOL.

"I think you actually just blamed liberals for sex, LOL."

Something we'll gladly take credit for. Afterall, conservatives seek the status quo, which would mean not even getting to first base.

Liberals, on the other hand, are as their name implies: progressive.

Whoops:

But the three examples of spending highlighted in the ad a bridge to nowhere,-- a study of bear DNA and a museum dedicated to Woodstock seem chosen more for their impact than for any direct involvement McCain had in attacking them. In fact, he voted in favor of the bill that included the bear study funding; he was absent for key votes on the Woodstock museum (including one on an amendment he co-sponsored); and he never specifically tried to eliminate the bridge earmark and missed some crucial votes on that one, as well.

I think you actually just blamed liberals for sex, LOL.

No, I think I just blamed liberals for forcing their values of promiscuous sex upon every adolescent teen in America, despite the values of their parents.

Coitus interruptus, Farmer John latin prayer in the dark..

"Whoops indeed since Obama bin Biden and nearly all the democratic campaigners missed the BtN vote as well."

So much for refuting McCain's hypocrisy on earmarks. Must be your second-favorite defense: The besides, "Democrats do it, too" defense.

Liberals, on the other hand, are as their name implies: progressive. Kinda like aging, or a disease.

"I just blamed liberals for forcing their values of promiscuous sex upon every adolescent teen in America..."

Favorite defense #3: The "liberals made me do it" defense.

McCain hasn't placed a single earmark in over two years. Palin visited the earmark store, but never placed a single earmark either.

So far it's Obama-Biden with $450M in earmarks last year... and McCain/Palin w/ zero.

No wonder Obama-Biden feel the need to "change" what they've been doing in Washington.

"Kinda like aging"

Beats the hell out of the alternative.

Farmer John is almost as good with a dictionary as Vernon is with a calculator.

"McCain hasn't placed a single earmark in over two years."

The "McCain is a born again earmark virgin" defense.

The "liberals made me do it" defense.

Minor children are incapable of making adult decisions on mature subjects like sex, by definition. So yes, the liberals MADE them do it IS a very good defense.

No, I think I just blamed liberals for forcing their values of promiscuous sex upon every adolescent teen in America, despite the values of their parents.

#101 | Posted by Farmer_John at 2008-09-07 08:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

So, Palin is a kid in a candy store, due to liberals, and her teen daughter is pregnant due to liberals.

"Farmer John is almost as good with a dictionary as Vernon is with a calculator."

Oh, now that is a Drudge Retort Classic! FF for you, Zap.

"So, Palin is a kid in a candy store, due to liberals, and her teen daughter is pregnant due to liberals."

We liberals have quite the power at our disposal.

Beats the hell out of the alternative.

What? Death isn't an event in the "progression" of life? Just what have YOU been smokin'... LOL!

Let's progress faster and faster... then comes death... then come decomposition... it's ALL progress.

"Minor children are incapable of making adult decisions on mature subjects like sex, by definition. So yes, the liberals MADE them do it IS a very good defense."

ROTFLMAO!!!

So yes, the liberals MADE them do it IS a very good defense.

#110 | Posted by Farmer_John at 2008-09-07 08:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

I like it. It has the ring of complete absence of responsibility, with the addition of victim status at the same time as it proclaims a valiant self-righteousness while naming a ghost as an enemy.Very good.

Palin visited the earmark store, but never placed a single earmark either.

LOL
Excellent value for the $26.9 million invested in Lobbyists.

"What? Death isn't an event in the "progression" of life?"

Short memory, or just stupid?

Kinda like aging, or a disease.

#104 | Posted by Farmer_John at 2008-09-07 08:27 PM

Reply:

"Kinda like aging"

Beats the hell out of the alternative.

#107 | Posted by truthsetyoufree at 2008-09-07 08:31 PM

First rule when you find yourself in a hole: Stop digging.

"I like it. It has the ring of complete absence of responsibility, with the addition of victim status at the same time as it proclaims a valiant self-righteousness while naming a ghost as an enemy.Very good."

Excellent observation, Betelg.

We liberals have quite the power at our disposal.

To seduce the vulnerable to ruination, you sure do.

As Geraldine would say, "The Devil made me do it!"

He made me take that 125% equity balloon-payment loan.

"To seduce the vulnerable to ruination, you sure do."

Boo!

You liberal are a walking, talking moral hazard factory
~Nanc

And the $26.9 million invested in Lobbyists was just good god fearing good thinkin..

"What? Death isn't an event in the "progression" of life?"

Short memory, or just stupid?

Who's stupid? You're the one who thinks that "progress" has a destination you can get off at.

"To seduce the vulnerable to ruination, you sure do."

We were right there with Bristol and Levi, whispering in their ear:

Farmer John-
re: As Geraldine would say, "The Devil made me do it!"

That is precisely how you waved away Palin's conduct. And you even tossed in the bonus of blaming "the left" for knocking her daughter up.

You win the prize.

"Who's stupid?"

Well, since you asked: you.

Truth-
Don't you understand that when good Republicans sin it is the fault of their political opponents and Satan (all libs)?

"You win the prize."

Gold, plus a dishonorable mention.

You're the one who thinks that "progress" has a destination you can get off at.

I doubt he said it did FJ. Life evolves leaving your kind in the past.

"Don't you understand that when good Republicans sin it is the fault of their political opponents and Satan (all libs)?"

Yeah. "Personal responsibility" is just a bumper sticker slogan. Just like "support the troops."

That is precisely how you waved away Palin's conduct

Palin only visited the candy store as a customer. McCain's objective is to shut down the store.

And Obama's position is to shut it down for a year, so it can be refurnished and reopened once Democrats own it completely. There may even be plans to expand it with a candy factory or two... now that the Fed is regulating more than the banking industry...

Life evolves leaving your kind in the past.

What goes around comes around. Ixion's wheel. All progressives do is make the wheel spin faster... and they call it "progress".

Farmer-
re: "Palin only visited the candy store as a customer."

No. You were the customer, insofar as you will pay for it. Palin was merely the professional shopper.

"Palin only visited the candy store as a customer."

Kid = customer. How cute.

What goes around comes around. Ixion's wheel. All progressives do is make the wheel spin faster... and they call it "progress".

With every revolution we move further along. Most times not as far as the wheel has moved but mostly an advancement.

Away from fear of the dark, away from a need for a addressable concerned god, into reality.

Everyone else is doing it, mommy!

Change. LOL! "Believe" ROTFL!

"or since everyone's doing 'em"

You've already tried that. My comment from earlier:

"Whoops indeed since Obama bin Biden and nearly all the democratic campaigners missed the BtN vote as well."

So much for refuting McCain's hypocrisy on earmarks. Must be your second-favorite defense: The besides, "Democrats do it, too" defense.

#103 | Posted by truthsetyoufree at 2008-09-07 08:26 PM

isn't it time to get rid of earmarks...
~Nanc

By pushing Palin forward it would seem not.

Farmer John-
re:...and Obama bin Biden was her pusherman...

I understand. "Sarah!" is a victim of "the left" like a kid in a candy store, until last week. Now she's a maverick.

Now she's a maverick.

Speaking of which if McSame really was one he would have gone with Lieberman.

With every revolution we move further along.

...and as Nietzsche would say in Zarathustra, eventually you re-cross your old path and discover it's all been one big circle. Just circles within circles within circles. Please. Progress? To progress you must have a goal. And to progress you must be able to surpass yourself.

You're just another rope dancer like the rest of us. I'm just the fool that kicks you in the ass.

"...Lieberman"

Now there's an Israel first champion if ever...but Biden will get the job done enough for GZLives satisfaction, I'm sure:>)

ps when's the impeachment for 'em gay guys murder coming?

Ps2 whoops, he isn't Prez yet

I understand. "Sarah!" is a victim of "the left"

Nope. Sarah couldn't close the candy store. McCain has tried to close it. But Obama and Biden refuse to vacate it.

And to progress you must be able to surpass yourself.

You're just another rope dancer like the rest of us. I'm just the fool that kicks you in the ass.,?I
~Nanc>

LOL the Sun does not revolve around the Earth...

And to progress you must be able to surpass yourself.

You're just another rope dancer like the rest of us. I'm just the fool that kicks you in the ass.,?I
~Nanc

LOL the Sun does not revolve around the Earth...

Sarah isn't a member of Congress. Congress is the candy store. And if you remember your old threads, once upon a time Sarah wanted to dump Congress altogether. After all, what good is a candystore in the middle of Alaska? Good for nothing, if you'd asked me.

Sarah couldn't close the candy store.
~Nanc

INVESTING $26.9 million invested in Lobbyists is, how would you say, an awkward start?

ROTFLMAO

INVESTING $26.9 million invested in Lobbyists is, how would you say, an awkward start?

Watch how Congress makes the candy...

Translation: Ignore Sarah Shopping.

Watch how Congress makes the candy...

Translation: Ignore Sarah Shopping.

Actually that's not true. The real deal is: Ignore Sarah Spending $26.9 million for a Lobbyist to shop.

How cosmopolitan a paid shopper..

INVESTING $26.9 million invested in Lobbyists is, how would you say, an awkward start?
If you build it, they will come.
~Nanc

So much for a enlightened christian.

Hey, once you've built the WalMart Superstore, it's a little hard to blame the people who step inside and are looking for a bargain.

And it tends to destroy all the mom & pop competition that cam before it.

So much for a enlightened christian.

Who the f*ck do you think is a Christian? I sure as hell am NOT one.

Hey, once you've built the WalMart Superstore, it's a little hard to blame the people who step inside and are looking for a bargain.
And it tends to destroy all the mom & pop competition that cam before it.
~Nanc

I'll take that as an admission there will be no change with Sarah.

Unless you want to push she will be better with a little responsibility.

< Snicker >

Oh, you think I'm nanc. You REALLY ARE STUPID! LOL!

Who the f*ck do you think is a Christian?
~Nanc

I thought Sarah, perhaps not..

'll take that as an admission there will be no change with Sarah.

Not at all. Her dalliance with the Alaskan Independence movement serves as her bona fides for the shutting down of the DC candy store.

Sept. 7, 2008

Gallup poll. McCain 54 Obamie 44.

Quick on the uptake Nanc you figured it out after the 7th time.

Her dalliance with the Alaskan Independence movement serves as her bona fides for the shutting down of the DC candy store.
~NANC

To the tune of $26.9 million.

Say Hallelujah!

"Gallup poll. McCain 54 Obamie 44."

Whoops:

Gallup Daily: McCain Moves Ahead, 48% to 45%

In the new poll, taken Friday through Sunday, McCain leads Obama by 54%-44% among those seen as most likely to vote. The survey of 1,022 adults, including 959 registered voters, has a margin of error of +/ 3 points for both samples.

Pardon me... but what were Biden's actual earmarks last year, $87M? And Obama's, $350M+? Now throw in ALL the money Alaska & the other 57 states requested, and then Obama and Biden APPROVED ALL THOSE expenditures, too???

Wow, Barrack Obama and Joe Biden are the guys who are REALLY responsible for wasting ALL THAT money. Whodathunkit!

But Sarah was "bad" for asking for the money...

Ouch! That hurts. LOL!

But Sarah was "bad" for asking for the money...

Asking, $26.9 million invested in Lobbyists!

Ouch! If that doesn't hurt you and Sarah are puling hypocrites.

meanwhile, it's business as usual at the candy store...

When he introduced him as his running mate, Obama said of Biden: "He has brought change to Washington, but Washington hasn't changed him."

"While Barack Obama decries Washington insiders and says that he detests lobbyists, Joe Biden is the model Washington insider with numerous connections to lobbyists and special interests," Republican National Committee spokesman Danny Diaz said.
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Sen. Barack Obama sought more than $3.4 million in congressional earmarks for clients of the lobbyist son of his Democratic running mate, Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware, records show. Obama succeeded in getting $192,000 for one of the clients, St. Xavier University in suburban Chicago.

Obama's campaign has taken a hard stance against the world of lobbying in the nation's capital. Obama said he limits his own efforts to get money for pet projects -- a process known as earmarking -- to those that benefit the public. He has posted his earmark requests on his presidential campaign Web site to encourage transparency.

Since Obama announced his selection of Biden on Saturday, attention has focused on Biden's lobbying connections as well as his son's lobbying activities. R. Hunter Biden is one of many relatives of members of Congress who work as lobbyists.

The younger Biden started his career as a lobbyist in 2001 and has registered to represent about 21 clients that have brought in $3.5 million to his Washington firm, according to lobbying disclosure forms.

Hunter Biden and his colleague, Eric Schwerin, told Murphy they were "working with a number of clients, institutions like yours, and we would like to help you identify earmarks, federal support and grants."

Murphy said he found Biden's parentage a selling point. Murphy then accompanied Biden to the offices of the Illinois delegation, including Obama's.

Obama requested $1.4 million for St. Xavier, including $900,000 to establish an early-childhood teacher training center "to meet the demand in the southwest Chicago metropolitan area," according to a news release on the Web site of Obama's Senate office. Obama requested the early-childhood money in both 2006 and 2007.

Obama also in June 2007 sought $500,000 for a skills laboratory for St. Xavier's nursing school, which has one of the largest nursing programs in the state.

In the end, Obama's $1.4 million in requests resulted in $192,000 for the nursing facility.

Murphy said that a big selling point was the diversity of the nursing students, who often ended up working in communities where nurses were in shortage.

"Two years ago, we graduated more African American and Hispanic nurses than any private college in the state of Illinois," Murphy said. "I'm not at all apologetic that we asked for federal support for huge health-care needs of this growing community."

Since Hunter Biden signed St. Xavier as a client in December 2005, the firm has earned $320,000 from the university.

In 2006, Obama also asked for $2 million for a cancer research treatment center at Chicago's Thorek Memorial Hospital, according to an Obama letter requesting the money posted on Obama's campaign Web site. Hunter Biden was the registered lobbyist and his firm was paid $120,000 for representing Thorek, which has not received funding.

Obama's spokesman also acknowledged lobbying for Mercy Hospital, another client of Hunter Biden.

You mean lobbyists like Hunter Biden? LOL!

These are all distortions and/or outright lies. Check on factcheck.org.

You check it. You suffer from "false authority syndrome"... mistakingly believing that factcheck.org has any "checked facts".

Under Palin's leadership, Alaska this year asked for almost $300 per person in requests for pet projects from indicted Republican Sen. Ted Stevens.
So Stevens works for Palin? What a strech. Has the top of a ticket ever been so concerned with the VP candidate of another ticket? He is constantly comparing his resume with hers and his experience with hers.

What a dumb pick by McCain. HAHAHA. If only McCain was a smart as some of the libs on this site think they are, one day he might become a Sen and run for president.

It appears as though "TruthSetYouFree" is the new resident Obama apologist, too biased to admit that Obama is a hypocrite when it comes to earmarks. The facts are, this article shows him "challenging" Palin on earmarks when he himself requested over $740,000,000 in earmarks in just two fiscal years. If his point was instead to call Palin on being anti-earmark after she used to be pro-earmark, he himself has the same flaw in that he now takes credit for his new commitment not to take any earmarks in the future. There is no way around any of this, he is a hypocrite. Admit it and STFU already.

McCain PWN's Obama bin Biden on the 'earmark' issue. As for Palin, she's never been a player.

lets look at how the media has tried to screw her candidacy and this also answers some questions from the 'hiding sarah' thread

media.....which of course is another word for obama campaign.... said that she cut funding for pregnant teens and that she was a member of the alaska independence assc and that her special needs daughter wasnt really hers.

ALL BOGUS CLAIMS

and even more bullshit claims from daily kos (or is it daily comrade)...which drove more reputable scources to look into her personnaly.

and the charge that she kept the money from the bridge to nowhere.........OF COURSE SHE DID but the left makes it sound like she put it in her bank account
IT WENT TO HIGHWAY CONSTRUCTION THAT THEY COULD ACTUALLY USE>........oooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh
hhhhhhhhhhhhh

thats some really bad shit now isnt it

and isnt it something that
gloria steinum says that mccain should have picker hutchison or snowe........well of course, they are prochoice when it comes to killing a baby or not.....

and ONE MORE THING..........stienem claims that she has been called a tax cutter when alaska has no state income or sales tax and YES SHE HAS

I watched cspan yesterday and they had the governor's debate and one of her oppenents said he would institute a state income tax and the other said that he would bring a sales tax.......and she said only sales tax if it didnt include food and medicine so by being elected they did NOT GET THOSE TAXES...............

keep trying boys and girls......you are only getting in deeper

info above from wire reports in houston chronicle....sept 6 and 7

I don't see what the big deal is. If you have earrings, they leave marks. So what?

It is amazing how Obama has killed himself by picking such a yutz for a running mate and McCain the old duffer has blown everybody away with such a winner as Palin.

"Hi I'm a democrat. Watch me shoot myself in the foot"

Signed BHO (You can call me BO for short)

and here is another case of dem dirty tricks

one of the alaska state senators who is driving the investigation of troopergate........HOLLIS FRENCH.......is OF COURSE a democrat and he said that results will be an "OCTOBER SURPRISE" that is likely to be damaging, he then was quoted as saying that he said "things that I shouldnt have"

so much for THAT investigation being honest

What? Obama AND Biden voted FOR the bridge??? Wow!

Nay IN Bayh, B. [D]

The only "No" vote in the bunch.

What? Obama AND Biden voted FOR the bridge??? Wow!

#182 | Posted by Farmer_John

You really aren't that clueless as to how these things work, are you? Do you think that there was a separate vote on the bridge, or was it one of many earmarks in a much larger bill? Or are you just fundamentally dishonest, relying on the stupidity of others to advance your cause (the norm for republicans)?

If there indeed was a separate bill and vote for the bridge, I'm sure you can cite it.

I'll wait.

Correction to post #186... it would have shifted all earmarks (not just the bridge) that year to Katrina Relief... but it didn't pass either.

Senators just seem to really want their OWN pork, and not divert it for such silly projects as Katrina Relief.

We now have evidence of several bills and amendments being submitted by Republicans to eliminate earmarks, and none of them passing. Gee, I can't imagine why.

Oh well, yes I can.

Gov Palin should do another of her "Here's a little newsflash" moments regarding this:

"Last week, in my acceptance speech, I explained to our opponent what the job of a small town mayor involves. It seems I have to explain to him today what his own job as a Senator involves: Governors do not approve earmarks, Senator; Congressmen and Senators do."

again how may "present" votes did nobama have in the IL senate? 140-150?

now that's change.......do nothing

"Present" - 129.

His legislative record?

Present vote doing nothing?

How would you know this? Maybe his constituents requested he not cast one way or the other.

I find it humorous how these people totally don't understand the system.

Votes are supposed to be cast not by how the representative thinks, but what his constituents think.

And by looking at his area of representation, I think they like him. Unless you think obama is going to lose the state of ILL. and any prudent man would say you are dreamin.

McCain, The Most Absent Member Of The Senate, Blasts Congress For Taking A Week Off

McCain, by far, has missed more votes in this Congress than any other memeber - 408.

He's sponsored 39 bills. Obama's sponsored 128.