I've seen it happen in the 5 years I've lived here in Iowa. Many fields that I drive by that were soy in the past are now corn. Just chalk it up to the law of unintended consequences.

I am sure that the leaders of Indonesia eat quite well. How come they are not addressing the problem?

Many fields that I drive by that were soy in the past are now corn.
~MSGT

Newsworthy

I wonder what is causing that? Ain't my fault.

How bout Jumadi trying to grow some of his own food so he dosen't have to worry about the cost of beans.

I wonder what is causing that? Ain't my fault.

How bout Jumadi trying to grow some of his own food so he dosen't have to worry about the cost of beans.

#4 | Posted by Sniper at 2008-09-07 07:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

He doesn't own any land. Minor problem, but I'm sure you and your bootstraps could overcome it if you were not the privileged ignorant yahoo that you are.

How bout Jumadi trying to grow some of his own food so he dosen't have to worry about the cost of beans.

It's now a world wide economy. Who do you think is making your cheap clothes. Everything is interrelated.

ZAP-
Sniper isn't. He just goes about his business as he grows his own food, builds his own cars, paves his own roads, picks and ships his own lettuce, sews his own clothes and kills his own meat. He has no connection to the actual world we live in. He's a caveman, and perhaps a little slow, but proudly so.

Bad policy for people is good for Capitalists.

They better plant some soybeans next year in Indonesia!

This problem can be laid right at the feet of Al Gore and the weirdo libs in the renewable energy crowd. The demand for corn in the stupid subsidized corn ethanol industry is to blame for rising commodity prices like soy.

Thanks, libs for starving people arouns the world. Can you stop bashing Sarah Palin's family long enough to at least say you are sorry?

This is so typical of gov getting involved with things. Look at the other post where it would hurt Ford to bring in their 65mpg diesel car because of the EPA regulations.

And there are people out there who want the gov to run their health care. How foolish.

Bad policy for people is good for Capitalists.

#8 | Posted by nutcase

People are a commodity these days ya know.

Look at the other post where it would hurt Ford to bring in their 65mpg diesel car because of the EPA regulations.

And there are people out there who want the gov to run their health care. How foolish.

#11 | Posted by sawdust

Nowhere in the article did it say the car is not being imported into the US because of the EPA.

The reasson were:
1. Too costly to import from Europe.
2. The engine is built in the UK and the pound is trouncing the dollar.
3. It would cost too much to build a diesel plant in Mexico to import the car to the US.

Foolish indeed.

I doubt those consequences were unintended.

"Over the past decade, Indonesia went from growing more than half its soy to relying on the U.S. for 70 percent of it. Now the poor among this country's 220 million people are going hungry because of changes thousands of miles beyond their shores. It is the same story for dozens of countries that came to depend on richer nations for cheap food, only to find themselves squeezed when prices start rising last year."

This is exactly why it pisses me off when people complain about US farm subsidies. Some people bemoan the "unfair" advantage these subsidies create. They argue that third world farmers should be growing our food but that the subsidies prevent this.

But third world farmers are subject to the whims of third world dictators. Being able to feed ourselves is a national security issue. This should be a cautionary tale as to what happens when you rely on people who don't give a shit about you to feed you.

But third world farmers are subject to the whims of third world dictators. Being able to feed ourselves is a national security issue. This should be a cautionary tale as to what happens when you rely on people who don't give a shit about you to feed you.

#15 | Posted by Sully at 2008-09-08 11:14 AM |

AGREED....................

Bad policy for people is good for Capitalists.

#8 | Posted by nutcase at 2008-09-07 08:19 PM

And what form do you like? Socialism, communisum?

Just chalk it up to the law of unintended consequences.

Exactly, MSGT. The decimation being caused by the rush to use corn for fuel has caused beef prices to skyrocket here, and now has other effects like the soy impact world-wide.

The Law of unintended consequences seems to strike particularly hard in liberal circles:

Here in Mass, the state Senate pushed through modifications to our gun laws, saying that there would no longer be an intermediate "Hunting and Target-Shooting" class B license for people who want to own hanguns, but have no interest in caryying them concealed. After the law changed, there were now only two categories of gun owners: You either had a Firearms ID (for non-auto rifles) or you had a license to carry (LTC)for all handguns and for all semi-auto rifles and shotguns. Police chiefs (who approve gun licesnes in Mass.) would simply have to fill out a 3-page document stating why they had denied the LTC license. INTENDED OUTCOME: Because LTC had heretofore been hard to get in Mass., people would end up losing the right to own or keep their handguns, and even would have to give up their semi rifles and shotguns. So less guns in homes, and the anti-2nd amendment folks win. UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE: What actually happened was that police chiefs refused to have to do all the paperwork to write up the 3 page document about why they had denied people (in many cases, their own neighbors and respected members of the commmunity) the permit, and they also got sick of having people accost them about why they could not now own their shotgun or keep their revolver for target practice, so the chiefs simply gave LTCs to any member of the community who was not insane or a felon. So, in the end, the removal of the interim Class B by the libs means that pretty much anyone can get a license to carry concealed in Massachusetts now. Ooops.

Even more recently, a few months ago the morons in the Statehouse added a major tax increase per pack on cigarettes, saying it would be a good revenue stream. INTENDED OUTCOME: More money for the state on the backs of an adddicted group. ACTUAL OUTCOME: New Hampshire ajoins Mass., and their cigarettes cost 1/2 (or less) what you pay in Mass. So, everyone now goes to NH (and I mean EVERYONE) for their butts, and brings cartons upon cartons back for their friends and coworkers. So, Mass. revenue from cigarete sales are actually below what they were before the tax. Oh, and aside from the inane argument from some Mass legislators that cigarette consumption may be off and that's what accounts for the reduced revenue, one of the local TV stations did a story about how many Mass. smokers are now smoking MORE because they are buying butts for $3.50 a pack in NH, instead of $6.50 a pack in MA, and so are more likely to light up when they may only smoke 1/2 or 3/4 of the cigarette.

I am sure there are many other examples of unintended consequences, but the subject one and these 2 are examples spawned by liberals who didn't really seem to think things through.

Obviously everyone is forgetting this is George Bush and Dick Cheney being in bed with Big Soy. We need to tax the windfall profits of Big Soy and this will make everyone feel better!

No matter how good the deal sounds. never sacrafice you own mode of feeding yourself.

Capatilism strikes again.

No matter how good the deal sounds. never sacrafice you own mode of feeding yourself.

Capatilism strikes again.

#20 | Posted by fresno500

U.S. outsourcing jobs and corporations setting up shops overseas comes to mind.

thrilled - now, maybe, just maybe they'll start leaving it OUT of my hot and sour soup!

Sniper isn't. He just goes about his business as he grows his own food, builds his own cars, paves his own roads, picks and ships his own lettuce, sews his own clothes and kills his own meat. He has no connection to the actual world we live in. He's a caveman, and perhaps a little slow, but proudly so.

#7 | Posted by BetelG

So mr rocket scientist. What part of growing your own food doesn't make sense for someone that doesn't have much money but does have a little land around his house?

I know you are a rich SOB that dosen't bother but not everyone has your bank-roll.

My world is many square miles with lots of game animals in it. I can see mountains that are over 50 miles away in just about any direction I look. My life is good, what's yours like?

"This problem can be laid right at the feet of Al Gore and the weirdo libs in the renewable energy crowd. The demand for corn in the stupid subsidized corn ethanol industry is to blame for rising commodity prices like soy.

Thanks, libs for starving people arouns the world. Can you stop bashing Sarah Palin's family long enough to at least say you are sorry?"

No farm subsidies for ethanol were given out from 2001 to 2006 when the Republicans had total control over Congress and the White House? I love how you Republicans completely forget what the GOP did to this country before the people of this country got sick of Bush getting every little thing he wanted (from 2001-2006). The GOP voted strictly along party lines and did not pay any attention to their constituents during that time. It was not so much the event that included perverts that cost the GOP control of Congress, but people getting sick of Bush getting every little thing he wanted. If your party actually had people with balls who could stand up to him, maybe Congress would still be controlled by the GOP.

Whereas in America, the increase in soy costs only worries trust fund hippies. Or not, because they have a ton of money anyway to buy that crap.

Seriously, anyone noticed that, here in America, the SOY stuff is always the really expensive shit, and good old fashioned beef is the cheap stuff?

Well shit! So much for soylent green.

Let 'em eat okra.

fried in corn meal. Good stuff

No matter how good the deal sounds. never sacrafice you own mode of feeding yourself.

Capatilism strikes again.

#20 | Posted by fresno500

U.S. outsourcing jobs and corporations setting up shops overseas comes to mind.

#21 | Posted by goblinsrreal2 at 2008-09-08 04:20 PM | Reply

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I'm impressed to see that both Fresno and Gobbler grow all their own food. They raise livestock, grow veggies in the the yard and have fruit trees -- not to mention fresh bread from their own grain.

No, these champions of freedom would NEVER, EVER risk their personal food supply to evil capitalists -- like farmers, grocers and fishermen.