Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Thursday, September 04, 2008

Organizers conceived of this convention as a means to inspire, but some African American Republicans have found the Xcel Energy Center depressing this week. Everywhere they look, they see evidence of what they consider one of their party's biggest shortcomings. The convention is almost entirely white.

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And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this, this is working very well for them.

B. Bush

Is the lack of African American presence at the GOP convention a direct result of the GOP embracing policies that adversely effect the African American community?

how many brownies besides jindal were there?

Klifferd,

Does that inlcude the janitors and valets?

The only blacks there were the hotel staff!

-Howard Dean

DEFLECTION!

DEFLECTION!

- Joe the Deflection Police.


Is the lack of African American presence at the GOP convention a direct result of the GOP embracing policies that adversely effect the African American community?

#2 | Posted by 726

I think it is. It also does not escaped the attention of people of color that these are the same pasty-faced old and fat whites that formed the resistance to racial equality.

I am white myself and I tell you now is the time to kill this infection that america has, this 'america belongs to jesus and white people infection'. And stop picking the scab.

Maybe they're casing the electronic stores in advance. A possible loss on November 4th now seems realistic.

how many brownies besides jindal were there?

#3 | Posted by klifferd

Last night there were two Black speakers Michael Williams (who gave a great speech even though he's really a nobody) and Michael Steele, one Puerto Rican don't remember his name, then there was the govenor of Hawaii but I think she just had a good tan....

are we bean counting now?

"Are we bean counting...?"

I'm a Bozo, not a beaner. Come to think of it, there WERE a lot of Bozos at the Convention last night.

We're all Bozo's on this bus.

Everyone at my place noticed the Sea of White immediately. There are two logical reasons possible for it:

1) Non-white people just don't want to be Republican delegates.

2) Non-white people are prevented from being Republican delegates

I think it is. It also does not escaped the attention of people of color that these are the same pasty-faced old and fat whites that formed the resistance to racial equality.


I am white myself and I tell you now is the time to kill this infection that america has, this 'america belongs to jesus and white people infection'. And stop picking the scab.


#7 | Posted by Lipzoidial at 2008-09-04 10:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

Tell it to LINCOLN, and oh yes, all those Dems (more so than Republicans) that fought the Civil Rights Laws.

Cmon', they had the token black bb player give the opening prayer.

What more do you want?

Well, they are all F**** Rednecks, what do you expect.

By the way, my fater is a retired fighter pilot and for the first time in his life he is voting democrat due to McCain's poor VP pick.

That woman cannot be a heartbeat away from the Oval Office, and in McCain's case, it's half a heartbeat away.



Tell it to LINCOLN, and oh yes, all those Dems (more so than Republicans) that fought the Civil Rights Laws.

#14 | Posted by ride_on

Licoln is dead, and a lot of those dems became and/or vote republican. YOU may be genetically republican, but a person's party affiliation should be depending on how that person votes, and not the other way around.

If you think today's repubs can be compared ot Lincoln, you are beyond hope.

Well, the African American are voting based on RACE for the Black guy - just like Hillary didn't have any black support. If Hillary - with 95%+ policy overlap with Obama can't get any black support - why would it surprise you that the GOP can't? Do you blame the GOP or African Americans for being racist?

Tell it to LINCOLN, and oh yes, all those Dems (more so than Republicans) that fought the Civil Rights Laws.

#14 | Posted by ride_on

Did you see Lincoln or liberal democrats at the republican convention?

"Well, the African American are voting based on RACE for the Black guy"

Yeah. That would explain all the time when there wasn't a Black Democratic nominee and the Republicans got very little support from the African American community.

Sounds like a Big Tent to me!

Wanna know why? Ask Shannon Reeves....

When I travel to speak at Republican conferences and events around the country, wandering through hotels, convention centers and social clubs, as I approach the rooms where I'm scheduled to speak, I am often told by Republicans that I must be in the wrong place. While boarding a shuttle bus to a national convention a few years ago, an attendee who was already on the bus introduced himself to another white guest who was boarding, took one look at me and, in an attempt to be helpful, told me I was on the wrong bus. As a Bush delegate at the 2000 convention in Philadelphia, I proudly wore my delegate's badge and RNC lapel pin as I worked the convention. Regardless of the fact that I was obviously a delegate prominently displaying my credentials, no less than six times did white delegates dismissively tell me to fetch them a taxi or carry their luggage.

Imagine how our Republican women would have felt if they had been mistaken for hotel maids. These people didn't see that I wasn't wearing a uniform; all they saw was a black face and they made an assumption.

Maybe that's why blacks want to vote for a black guy. After all, they've gotten so much respect from white politicians all these years.

"Do you blame the GOP or African Americans for being racist?"

Well, since the GOP admitted it, I'd say the GOP.

www.usatoday.com

So 1.51% of the delegates were black.

Black % in America 12.8 of population

7% of blacks are Republican.

12.8 % out of 300,000,000. = 38,400,000.00

of that 38+mil 7% are Repub = 2,688,000.00 black repubs

So .89% of all Americans are Black Republicans.


Looks like they are doing pretty good at 1.51%

I can see why the numbers are so low. Not that surprising really.

Whatch talkin 'bout???? I dun saw me a negra in the audience... heeza one tossin da peenuts frum da aisles.

Dem elleyfants sho luves dem sum peenuts

and the upper seating was almost completely empty.

the cameras were narrowly focused almost constantly to hide that fact, but you could see the empty seats when they panned across the stadium quickly when lights were out or dimmed.

How about their rock star line-up, Kid Rock and Alice Cooper seem to be their only fans.

Dont forget Ted Nugent


Maybe that's why blacks want to vote for a black guy. After all, they've gotten so much respect from white politicians all these years.

#23 | Posted by TFDNihilist

Or maybe they knew there'd be no free cigarettes at a RNC Convention.

But they tapped an Old English 800 Kegger??????????

Being BLACK in the GOP is like...

... being a DEER in the NRA!

See, you have nothing to worry about, you have the black vote sewed up and all will go well for you in November. No worries mate!

And in other news, the sun came up today. People shoved pieces of paper around in the stock market, producing nothing yet making money doing it, thus further devaluing our currency. Lindsay Lohan snorted some coke. Jerry Garcia is still dead. Nintendo sold some Wii systems today. A dog took a crap. Someone's cat ignored them.

Oh I'm sorry, I thought this was a thread for pointing out the obvious.

Although it was cute how they had the token black cowboy give the "I have a dream" part at the end there.

I bet after seeing Sarah's booty, they wish they had posse'd over.

Ordinarily I'd offer up some deflection, but I don't see this as a bad thing.


Besides, blacks aren't even allowed in to Minnesota unless they are a Viking or a Timberwolf.

The "principles" of the leftists are quite malleable.

Here, they support a candidate, whose roots are the black equivalent of the "White Identity Movement," the same racial focus and racial preference, the epitome of racial identity governing political choices.

There is not a word of condemnation for the "black identity movement" as exemplified by Rev. Wright's cult of which Obama was a member for some 20 years, and whose leader was Obama's mentor so that he learned those precepts and they became part of his thought processes and values.

The leftists here seem to find no fault with the black voting bloc, voting on the basis of racial identity. If the black bloc had voted thus in the general election it would have been understandable since they are identified with the leftist Democrat Party political program.

But the blacks engaged in bloc voting, voting based on racial identity, when they repudiated Hillary Clinton, a person with a long history of support for their ideological program, and instead supported a parvenu "because he was black," because of "black identity." Now that somehow from the leftist perspective, embodies "virtuous" support. But if whites identify with a white candidate, that is distinguished, and "bad," because of reasons not articulated by posters here or elsewhere.

If the left is steadfastly opposed to racial identity politics, why doesn't it condemn that choice, whenever it occurs, and flog the blacks for abandoning a tried and proven white person, Hillary Clinton, in favor of an untried black with racist hate-group roots. Hmm.

The absence of blacks at the convention may be due to the universal draw that programs providing for black preference have for blacks. This is coupled with such a large component of the black population constituting a welfare constituency, whose votes are bought and paid for by welfare program fund distribution, supported by Democrats.

Blacks have been welcomed by the Republicans, the party of Lincoln, the party that led the Union cause, the abolitionist cause, in the War Between the States, that resulted in so many hundreds of thousands of deaths (mostly deaths of whites - many of whom were ideologically motivated abolitionists). But blacks identify their current interests with black preference and welfare programs, bones which the Democrats have thrown to them. And are in thrall to black opportunists such as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, who have worked the programs for their own enrichment under the aegis of democratic political philanthropy, which has delivered huge sums of taxpayers' money to support such charlatans, so as to secure support for turnout for voters for Democrats.

But again, why is it that blacks identifying with a party, and voting on the basis of racial identity politics, is "good," while whites identifying with a party and voting on the basis of racial identity politics, is "bad."

And "the eye of the beholder" seems to distort the picture viewed. The Republicans certainly looked as hale and hearty and healthy as the Democrats at their convention, indeed more so. But it is so necessary for some of you leftist zealots to denigrate Republicans that your powers of observation are impaired.

Keep whistling on your way to the graveyard. A throwaway election has become a race because of the candidate that "racial identity politics" with "racial bloc voting" has foisted on the Democrat Party. Que tal.

Well, we can't be too sure that the Palin whore's baby daddy wasn't an African Muslim.
-The Left

"Maybe they're casing the electronic stores in advance. A possible loss on November 4th now seems realistic.

#8 | Posted by wisgod"

That's some hilarious shit, you cracker fuck.

Hey Jo, where you been? Gathering illegal voter registrations?

Maybe they're casing the electronic stores in advance. A possible loss on November 4th now seems realistic.

#8 | Posted by wisgod

I'm being repetitive again but... whenever I begin to despair, and think that the Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans... one comes along and reminds me that there ARE differences.

Only 36 of the 2,380 delegates seated on the convention floor are black, the lowest number since the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies began tracking diversity at political conventions 40 years ago.

Is there an implication that this is a bad thing? Possibly so, since it demonstrates how in thrall to Democrat Party goodies, blacks have become.

Since the 43 million blacks constitute some 14.3% of the U.S. population, and are overwhelmingly concentrated in the Democrat Party so that they are a bloc probably exceeding 25% of Democrat Party voters, until further polarization of white voters occurs so that they too vote based on white racial identity, blacks will be in control of Democrat Party candidate selection outcomes. This may not bode well for them since those candidates may themselves encounter bloc voting at the general election, and there may be a loss of political influence.

Aside from the ideologically driven and fringe left, national convention viewers may develop an unconscious identification with the Republican Party as better reflecting "them."

Yeah soheifox, you are so much better than some...


Dick.. set.. HER daughter.. rofl. That's the first time I've ever seen THAT typo, and it's particularly hilarious. Would make a fine headline as well, wouldn't it? "Dick sets her daughter on fire.". *slaps hand* bad foxy! Getting too used to using that line with Palin.

Posted by soheifox at 2008-09-04 08:04 AM

#5 | Posted by JOE at 2008-09-04 10:46 AM

The only blacks there were the hotel staff!

-Howard Dean


No. The Latinos have those jobs now.

Dick.. set.. HER daughter.. rofl. That's the first time I've ever seen THAT typo, and it's particularly hilarious. Would make a fine headline as well, wouldn't it? "Dick sets her daughter on fire.". *slaps hand* bad foxy! Getting too used to using that line with Palin.

Posted by soheifox at 2008-09-04 08:04 AM

#44 | Posted by wisgod at 2008-09-04 04:27 PM | Reply | Flag

.. I'm not following you here, Wisgod. I'm horrible for making fun of myself making an idiotic typo?

Maybe in 2012 we can be 100% white!

So..who's the racists now?

When 91% of blacks are voting for Obama and have been in the pocket of the DEMS and then you make a comment about the convention being white? - DUHH - it is not because REP are racists - it is because the Blacks are.

Why are they voting for Obama?

- not because he has any credentials (funny..you guys attack Palin as not being qualified when she has more track record than Obama)

- Not because of his policy's (Historically - Black employment have been impacted the most when ever minimum wage or business taxes are raised)

Because he is black. Pure and simple.

I am NOT voting for him - Not because I am White - Not because he is Black - Because he is a communist. Because he a light weight with no experience, because he is funded by a radical Muslim in Al- Mousor, because he will tax us to death which will KILL the economy (if that is not true -then why to STIMULATE the economy everyone that was poor got a tax rebate check?)

So ..whos rascists now?

Because he is a communist. Because he a light weight with no experience, because he is funded by a radical Muslim in Al- Mousor, because he will tax us to death which will KILL the economy (if that is not true -then why to STIMULATE the economy everyone that was poor got a tax rebate check?)


So ..whos rascists now?


foshaffer

lol. don't know who's racist but you've outed yourself as a big retard. no wonder you get a boner from mr. poopypants and gidget.

FullOfSShitHaffer,

Well I see you've caught up on you reading and gotten your facts all straight. Oh, and by the way, McCain fathered a black baby.

The Republicans think they can ignore demographic trends for a few more elections. Like most things they believe in reality indicates otherwise.

Typical yet again...Pancho and Nut - neither can come up with a coherant argument why my statements are wrong...so like all good "Useful" idiots, just attack the poster personally. No thought, no logic, no reason, - just follow the party line.

Which is exactly what I read on all these posts - Deathspud, Spud, Danni and even the big guy himself RCade (though he does tend to remain above the fray)

Sad - Baa, Baa, baa sheep BAAAMAAA BAAAMAAA OOOBAAAMAAA

#7 | Posted by Lipzoidial at 2008-09-04 10:57 AM

I think it is. It also does not escaped the attention of people of color that these are the same pasty-faced old and fat whites that formed the resistance to racial equality.

What kind of "racial equality?" Is it opportunity to participate on an equal basis? Or is your denominator equality of outcomes?

What if there is inequality in the gene pools of blacks and other races, so that they excel in sports, having superior physical attributes, strength, faster reflexes, and excel in musical entertainment, being right brain focused, while others may have left brain advantages?

Could it just be that after decades of preferences, the whole matter has shaken out based on reality rather than following an imposed model, which is incongruent with the reality?

I am white myself and I tell you ...

You're white yourself. So what? Do you think that you're making some statements against interest? Does that give them greater impact? You seem to sometimes preface statements inserting allusions to mathematical education, being white, and who knows what else as if somehow these "credentials" increase the value of your observations. Why not let them stand your points stand on their intrinsic merit? You seem to be a decent guy, but guilt-ridden? Keep in mind that you are not inferior and have no need to buttress your statements.
... now is the time to kill this infection that america has, this 'america belongs to jesus and white people infection'. And stop picking the scab.

I'm perplexed that you mention "jesus and white people" in the conjunctive as operators as somehow opposed to blacks.

Much of our culture is based on Judaeo-Christian roots. And for the most part, it seems to be a good thing.

Are you denying that blacks are to a large extent, focus their social organization on Christian churches (and to a greater extent than white people do). The churches served as rallying points in the civil rights efforts. Remember Martin Luther King, and other preachers, who provided leadership, and the gatherings at black churches. Why you combine "jesus and white people" and in the context of a pejorative statement, is unclear.

What do you have against Jesus, belief in Jesus in America, Christian doctrine? What do yo have against "white people?" The people of this country have been among the most open and this society has provided a place for free expression of views, and freedom of opinion. There are atheists. There are agnostics. There are Christians. There are Jews. There is a growing number of Islamics, whose religious beliefs seem antithetical to American principles, but that's another thing. And the views of Christians are so varied that they don't constitute a unified group.

Christianity has been expunged from many areas of American life. Christmas is under attack. No "Merry Christmas" greeting in some areas. No Christmas Carols in schools. And this when it is a cultural rather than a religious observation for many.

Many of us are white. What's wrong with being white? I like being white? I like fitting in in my country. What is it about the country and white people that you would change specifically? Your statements are vague and don't identify what it is that offends you in this country. How does this country belong to "white people?" What's your complaint? Nothing general now. Come on. Tell us.

Give them a bit of a pass. They're still struggling to accept women. Yes. yes I know about Condi but Laura's more typical.

Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell, Clarence Thomas....

Under the dems, no Blacks have reached that high yet.

But JJackson and JWright and Sharpton are not happy.

The people of this country have been among the most open and this society has provided a place for free expression of views, and freedom of opinion.


the openness and place for free.... has been achieved in spite of the nations historic conservative "-isms"

Irish Need Not Apply
Wops Need Not Apply
Jim Crow Laws
Slavery
Women precluded from the vote until less than 100 years ago
Anti semitism
gay bashing
Attempts at banning same sex marriage
English Only laws
Legalized segregation
Environmental Injustice
Present day hostility towards muslims

Inspite of conservative attitudes, not because of them

"Christmas is under attack." Saying "Happy Holidays" is not an attack on Christmas. It's called being inclusive.


"No "Merry Christmas" greeting in some areas." And where are these areas? Are you referring to businesses? Here's a headsup for you, Sparky.. how good would you fee if every time you went into Target someone said "Joyous Festivus!"? Pretty weird huh? It's actually INCLUSIVE, not EXCLUSIVE to generic up the greeting a bit. Nobody's stopping you PERSONALLY from saying "Merry Christmas". I'm not even a Christian and I say it.

"No Christmas Carols in schools." I keep hearing this one also, but I never actually see it in practice. I see that the winter presentations kids put on include stuff about solstice, Kwanzaa, and menorahs in addition to Santa and Jesus, but I've never seen any of the productions escape Jesus-free entirely. It's inclusive, is what it is. What are they supposed to do, have a three hour Christmas pageant, and then put the other stuff on another night entirely?

"And this when it is a cultural rather than a religious observation for many."

Amen to that one. I'm religiously something else entirely, but you bet your sweet bippy I have a christmas tree, lights, the whole 9 yards. And I don't exclude the Jesus carols when Town Park Radio goes Christmas, either. They're all part of the culture. (In fact, if you notice, that station's website has sort of a Christmas motif year round, lol)

Fosh,

The reason nearly everybody dismisses your arguments are:

You are a blind partisan.
Your arguments are incoherent.
You can't spell.
Your grammar is bizarre.
You make ridiculous statements like Obama is a communist and he is funded by radical Muslims.

I guess you think that much or all of that doesn't matter and I'm being elitist for pointing it out. I am not an elitist and neither is Obama no matter what the Limbaughs, O'Reillys and Hannitys say and the presentation of a point of view does matter if you want it taken seriously.

That's still 36 more blacks than Howard Dean had his his government staff in Vermont.

FullOfSShitHaffer,

You original response was a very personal attack on Obama. You are the one repeating Machevillian Lies, without thought or factual basis.

My response is intended to be humorous, since reasoning with diehard Republicans, like religious fanatics, is an exercise in futility.

But, I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings.

The democrat convention was mostly Black and the Whites that showed up were just as stupid.

Fwthom news service

its not like the DNC was a NWA concert.

Many of us are white. What's wrong with being white? I like being white. I like fitting in in my country. What is it about the country and white people that you would change specifically? Your statements are vague and don't identify what it is that offends you in this country. How does this country belong to "white people?"....

-- Johnson

Good points in your # 53 post, Johnson. It's just the usual liberal Democrat white media guys groveling and hanging their heads in shame because they're white and need to bash their own ethnic group so they come off "p.c. and cool" when instead they look like asses.

I'm proud of my ethnic group (white) just the way all other Americans who are different ethnicities should each be proud of their own ethnic group. If these minorities hate whites so much then tell them not to bother ever using anything invented or discovered by white people. As for hating Christians, last time I checked, most people in the two largest minority groups -- Blacks and Hispanics -- all believed in Christ and attended Christian and Catholic churches.

So screw the white liberal Democrats and their cohorts in the media who constantly feel they have to belittle and bash whites all the time so they can grovel to different minority groups. I'm white with an Irish/English heritage, believe in Christ, and am proud of it and have no apologies. I didn't own any damn slaves nor did my ancestors. I'm sick of being expected to do a mea culpa over something that happened more than 150 years ago and which I had no part in.

Will the minorities (and liberal white Democrats) ever quit their whining? No one is stopping them from registering as Republicans. I don't want to be a Republican anymore either. If minorities choose to all be Democrats then they should get on their knees and thank God that all of us live in a country which allows each and every person here -- of every race and creed -- to choose to belong to any political party they want. Yawn. Listening to any excuse to "bash whitey" gets so boring after awhile.

sorry, I screwed up and also put in blockquote all of my own portion of the post.

You left out they were mostly 'rich' and white.

"The democrat convention was mostly Black and the Whites that showed up were just as stupid."

And the GOP wonders why it cannot attract people of color.

Don't encourage them to change their ways, Truth. We need a quite a few years of competence, relative honesty and policies based on justice and fairness to retire the debt and deficits the last 8 years have brought us. SCOTUS matters too.

"Under the dems, no Blacks have reached that high yet."

Yet. Get used to it.

Clarence Thomas? Please. I thought you guys were against affirmative action.

"Is the lack of African American presence at the GOP convention a direct result of the GOP embracing policies that adversely effect the African American community?"

Nope, but nice try on the race baiting. Imagine how white the DNC would have been if they had a white nominee.

African Americans don't get it. They keep voting for the democrates and continue to get FUCKED. WAKE UP. These ASSHOLE DEMOCRATES ARE USING YOU.

Don't encourage them to change their ways, Truth. We need a quite a few years of competence, relative honesty and policies based on justice and fairness to retire the debt and deficits the last 8 years have brought us. SCOTUS matters too.
BlueBallsInBushLand, didn't that rep controlled congress do a great job balancing the budget under Clinton?

Blue,

"You are a blind partisan". - No Sorry...I do not like McCain either...but if you are saying that I believe in my conservative values - then yes...just as you believe in....the dem side.

Your arguments are incoherent. " Point out where?"

You can't spell. "True ..I can't thank god for Spell check"

Your grammar is bizarre. Point out where?

You make ridiculous statements like Obama is a communist - " he is. He believes in the redistribution of wealth and he has 3 former ACP leaders on his staff. Just because you do not want to believe that does not make it ridiculous and why I say you guys don't think for yourselfs..and he is funded by radical Muslims. "He is"

Johnson and Chris,

There's nothing wrong with being white. I am, you are. Like it or not though, demographics are changing, I know I don't have to tell you that, Chris. A living, vibrant and relevant party needs to change as well. I see precious little attempt to do so and the past three conventions at least have borne this out.

What is more unrealistic than wrong is not to change with the times. Fairly or not, and I would say fairly, the Republican party is viewed as the party of the privileged who are mostly white, the white Christian movement, particularly the evangelically oriented part of it and the bigots and racists -- nearly exclusively white. These people have swamped the fiscal Republicans which is the reason so many of them are leaving the party or whose enthusiasm has turned lukewarm.

We're all Bozo's on this bus.

#12 | POSTED BY LEEATWATER


FF

/Thank you dear friends

Race is always a touchy subject and can also be used as a hammer to push one's views.

While race isn't a "chosen" part of one's personna, there are other aspects of one's personna which are chosen.

For example, what percentage of delegates are Evangelicals? Why aren't more of them represented in the Dem party? Or pro-lifers? It comes down to policies and to those the party tends to court.

Simply being black doesn't mean you HAVE to affiliate with either party. You make conscious decisions based on a number of factors. If the Dem party has told blacks for decades that they're the party who'll help them the most... handing out gov't benefits, etc., then it stands to reason blacks will migrate to their party. One could easily argue that decades of "help" hasn't done a heck of a lot for them and perhaps it's time to look elsewhere for help and accountability.

Obama, in a perverse way, may help Reps. If minorities like him can show they're not tied to the entitlement mantra of Jackson/Sharpton... and that they shouldn't expect government to cater to them simply based on their race, then perhaps more blacks will realize the goal of rising above being dependent on gov't as their arbitor.

The party does not and should not "court" the black vote - nor should it "court" the white vote, hispanic vote, asian vote or any other demographic vote. It should court the CONSERVATIVE vote.

If blacks are not represented in the Republican party it is the blacks choice. Who votes for someone that has different beliefs in what is best for them? Obama does not have any interest in what is best for me. So why should I vote for him? Same for the blacks. I welcome all conservatives to the party regardless of skin color. I don't give a damn if there are 5 or 5 million blacks in the party as long as they are conservative.

How many "rednecks" were at the DNC convention? The parties each have their own base. Mess with the base at your own peril. Again - I do not care what color you are as long as you are a conservative - you DR libbers do not need to turn this into a racist thing - Obammmy already has.

FOShaffer,

There's no point going back and forth with "is" and "is NOT". It is what it is or isn't depending on how one sees it.

Nothing wrong with being partisan, it's embracing the wilfully blind variety that causes arguments to be dismissed.

Redistribution of wealth within a capitalist system by means of the tax code or incentives is not Communism. What the hell do you think Republicans do, for Christ's sake? The destination of the goodies is the only difference. If you haven't read that recent thread and article about income growth under Republican and Democratic presidents I'd respectfully ask you to do so with an open mind.

There are many of Black Republicans. And they are refreshing to talk to. Unfortunatly, they are successfull and not seeking entitlements. And they are the true minority in the Black community.

Oohrah,

I'm not black but I'm pretty sure that the reason black voters reject Republicans by about a 90% to 10% majority is because they think that the racists in our society have gravitated towards the Republican party because the Republican party has not been motivated enough to stop that. I've expressed that thought in the mildest terms I could think of. Others would be more straightforward about it and who could blame them?

Such opinions and ideas do not materialize out of thin air, they have their origin in reality. The South was and is the breeding ground of racism in this country and the South is a Republican stronghold. It used to be a Democratic stronghold for exactly the same reason. LBJ and Nixon changed all that.

#25 | Posted by _2112_ at 2008-09-04 03:58 PM

If 2112's math is correct it looks like the Republicans may have actually padded extra minorities into the convention.

lol

I really don't disagree a whole lot with you, BLUE. Peoples' perception is their reality. And, yes, I think white racism has historic roots moreso in the Rep ranks than the Dem ranks.

However, and this is key... the racism of the 60's and earlier is largely gone from our society. At least the overt racism. There will ALWAYS be racism - it's human nature. I think today it's more covert vs overt.

So if you're black and your folks and grandparents all voted Dem... and they've told you all your life that Reps are racist, etc... who would you vote for?

I think as blacks become more affluent and educated they can reach their own conclusions as to which party stands for the things they value. If those things are items other than "whitey has held me down and I want government to be my guarantor" then I'm fine with that.

If, however, blacks want government to provide where they (blacks - or anyone for that matter) refuse to take responsibility, then I don't like that.

BLUE - serious question. Why do you think libs and/or black libs denigrate people like Clarence Thomas, Michael Steele, etc.? Successful and conservative black people. Or women like Palin? Where are the feminists defending a "supermom" like Palin?

Why are people acting so surprised that most blacks want to vote for Obama because he is black.

Imagine the shoe on the other foot. Imagine there had never been a white president and you've felt disillusioned by all the people who have been president up until now....and then suddenly, there's a white man who stands a very good chance of becoming the next president...OF COURSE YOU WOULD VOTE FOR HIM/HER!

Hell, many whites have already said they won't vote for him because he is half-black...and these same people are the ones screaming that blacks are only voting for him because of race....Well....DUH! Ya think?

"Or women like Palin...."

Palin was the mayor of a town that had no more than a few thosand people in it. Nonetheless, she felt no compunction about ruining the jobs and lives of persons who must have been her neighbors.

She's a punk. The term is gender neutral.

That's easy. Thomas is denigrated because he doesn't belong where he is. Not because he's black but because he was unqualified(he's a classic example of affirmative action being misapplied) and some of his public statements sound like he's a petulant 6-year old. Anita Hill may or may not have been lying, only she and Thomas and possibly his wife know for sure. I'm inclined to believe her but it's only a gut feeling.

Michael Steele I know nothing about. I vaguely recognize the name. So I can't comment.

Successful black people. There are as many or more likely more of them who are Democrats I would think. There are successful and wealthy people of all races who find Republicans not to their taste or loathsome just as the opposite is true too, just less so(or should be) in my never humble opinion.

Palin? Supermom?? Superdaughter??? Come on. The Vice Presidency of the united States of America deserves better than that. It was McCain being an impulsive dick. No more, no less.

This really isn't that difficult to comprehend. Dems give out more free money than Repubs. Especially in Minnesota - easier to qualify for food stamps, hra, and mfip.

Next...

Oohrah,

If it's perception it's a disservice to the word and the people holding that view to say that perception is reality. Perception is based on reality. Reality describes what is real which is why it sits uncomfortably with politics at election time, particularly when people on the right bandy alternative constructs about(all right, on the left, too -- just less so). Black people, in my opinion, think as they do because they have evaluated their lives and find that politically one party is more friendly(by far) to them than the other.

Covert and overt. I agree. Not sure that covert is better than overt in all respects though. Is racism or distrust of the different inherent? Yes, I think it is but it can be intellectually overcome if not emotionally. I think we should all try our damnedest to do so. That includes marginalizing those politicians and media types who would seek to inflame the situation. Some hope, huh?

Generational stuff? I dunno. I'm shaky with the timeframes. A grandparent of a 20-year old today would have been born in the 1940's or 1950's? Their ability to vote at all would have been questionable and wouldn't they have voted Republican because Lincoln freed the slaves and he was a Republican and all the people oppressing them in those days in the South would have been Democrats. Dunno.

If you don't mind me saying so I think the concluding paragraphs of your post were well meaning but a bit paternalistic.

Football. Later.

However, and this is key... the racism of the 60's and earlier is largely gone from our society. At least the overt racism.

#81 | Posted by OohRah

Yea, tell that to Shannon Reeves.....

When I travel to speak at Republican conferences and events around the country, wandering through hotels, convention centers and social clubs, as I approach the rooms where I'm scheduled to speak, I am often told by Republicans that I must be in the wrong place. While boarding a shuttle bus to a national convention a few years ago, an attendee who was already on the bus introduced himself to another white guest who was boarding, took one look at me and, in an attempt to be helpful, told me I was on the wrong bus. As a Bush delegate at the 2000 convention in Philadelphia, I proudly wore my delegate's badge and RNC lapel pin as I worked the convention. Regardless of the fact that I was obviously a delegate prominently displaying my credentials, no less than six times did white delegates dismissively tell me to fetch them a taxi or carry their luggage.

Imagine how our Republican women would have felt if they had been mistaken for hotel maids. These people didn't see that I wasn't wearing a uniform; all they saw was a black face and they made an assumption.

msnbc, go figure. msnbc will be off the air in a year or two.

"msnbc will be off the air in a year or two."

Wanna bet?

I can't help but laugh when the leftists show faux outrage over race....yet throw the word REDNECK around without hesitation. I realize that REDNECK isn't a race, but neither is BEANER or SPEARCHUCKER...yet we all know that I would be labeled a racist FO SHO. Hypocritical and Biggoted, but since liberals are the only "enlightened" people in tis country...that makes it ok.


Monster

you have to remember up to 1 week ago many Republicans beleived that teenage pregancy is the fault of the parents,premarital sex is sinful and the womens place is in the home and women with 5 children should be taking care of their kids,not working a job which could have serous world consequences .My Republican friends espouse this view again and again.Now everything changes very quickly now its different

hypocritical

I agree with you that some people show fake outrage and are hypocritical with their use of demeaning terms but that is not the usual .As a independent intending to vote for Obama I would tell these lefties to lighten up and are usually holier than thou fcks

..yet throw the word REDNECK around without hesitation.

#90 | Posted by Monster

Well, was anyone ever called this as they were being denied admittance to a hospital? Has anyone ever said, "No Redneck, you can't sit in the front of the bus"? How about, "Sorry, the redneck entrance is around back"?
Until that day, you have no point.

Shannon Reeves - I want to validate your experiences. You wrote:

"When I travel to speak at Republican conferences and events around the country, wandering through hotels, convention centers and social clubs, as I approach the rooms where I'm scheduled to speak, I am often told by Republicans that I must be in the wrong place. While boarding a shuttle bus to a national convention a few years ago, an attendee who was already on the bus introduced himself to another white guest who was boarding, took one look at me and, in an attempt to be helpful, told me I was on the wrong bus. As a Bush delegate at the 2000 convention in Philadelphia, I proudly wore my delegate's badge and RNC lapel pin as I worked the convention. Regardless of the fact that I was obviously a delegate prominently displaying my credentials, no less than six times did white delegates dismissively tell me to fetch them a taxi or carry their luggage.

Imagine how our Republican women would have felt if they had been mistaken for hotel maids. These people didn't see that I wasn't wearing a uniform; all they saw was a black face and they made an assumption."

This reality is indeed America. Those who say racism is a thing of the past do not have a clue. I am a Magna cum Laude graduate of Yale. I cannot enumerate the times that others have approached me using monosyllable words as if that is all that I can understand. I have had my skin touched and my hair pulled (I suppose to see if it was real) when it reached my waist. When wearing business attire while traveling professionally, I have been approached and openly propositioned as if my profession was that of a sex provider rather than that of a manufacturing manager for Procter and Gamble. By the way, racism is not the exclusive domain of people of European descent. On the contrary, these behavioral aberrations are human deviations caused by the desire of rapacious persons (whatever their age and sex) to unfairly hold on to benefits not earned.

Que todo el mundo sobreviva segun las bendiciones del espiritu.

NBCNEWS gave a figure for the average net worth of GOP delegates. It was in the mid six figures. No wonder they whoop and holler when taxes are discussed.

Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell, Clarence Thomas....

Under the dems, no Blacks have reached that high yet.

But JJackson and JWright and Sharpton are not happy.

#55 | Posted by takitez at 2008-09-04 05:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Poor dems. They're just the first party to nominate a half black guy for President.

"If it's perception it's a disservice to the word and the people holding that view to say that perception is reality." - BLUE

I said peoples' perception is THEIR reality. (From my 7:04pm post)

That perception is formed, in my view, from a variety of sources. Your friends/relatives, the media, your own sense of "fairness", other various life experiences, etc.

People don't knowingly want to be wrong - or, in other words, you don't select a view you know to be wrong. So as they reach conclusions they seek others to validate & defend their decision. This applies to political views, one's choice of religion, etc.

This isn't to say the politcal view one might hold (me as a conservative) means everyone else who identifies with my views is always right or above making mistakes. So when I talk of "defending" it's not to claim, for instance, that Nixon was without blame or that Dubya's war strategery was flawless. When I talk of "defending" I'm speaking of defending the overarching prinicples of conservatism.

"If you don't mind me saying so I think the concluding paragraphs of your post were well meaning but a bit paternalistic." - BLUE

How so, specifically, BLUE?

On the Clarence Thomas thing - being unqualified, etc. I would agree with you that someone like a Harriet Myers would fit that category. But Thomas? He had experience - just not the proper political/judicial views. en.wikipedia.org

He had one year as a judge, if that's what you mean. Keep that in mind when/if Hillary Clinton is later up for the SCOTUS.

His appointment to the SCOTUS was due, in large part, to his race. He replaced another black guy - as though that should matter. Identity politics? The law is the law and it ought not matter that one person has lived a certain sort of life - as though that life should help shape their views of what is the law. It shouldn't.

That sort of thinking belongs in the legislative branch to craft laws - not in the judiciary. Thomas' adherence to original intent infuriates the left, who (in my view) seek the judiciary to implement an agenda they'd have a hard time forging legislatively.

I agree with you that affluent blacks can and often are still voting Dem. My hope (and, I suspect, yours as well) is that they are doing so for reasons other than what you apparently view as my paternalistic-formed reasons (from the 7:04pm post).

My view is that as blacks (or anyone who perhaps started as poor) break out of the cycle of dependency on government and begin to achieve, to take responsibility for oneself... that they'll see that conservatism makes more sense for them. Yet, to do so, at some point they have to acknowledge that they were "wrong" earlier on in life. And that's not likely, so feelings perpetuate... unless one views conservatism or liberalism as having really shifted over time. And they realistically have, so then you have your out - like Reagan -
"I didn't leave the Democratic party. It left me."

I've been quite the windbag this morning. Enough of that. Have a great day, BLUE. I'd enjoy continuing these sorts of discussions with you down the road.

We see that McCain has voted with Bush 90% of the time. Do not forget why we needed a real change.Remember the economy, and paying $4.00 a gallon for milk and gas. Remember the deceitful lies to get us into an unprovoked war. Remember the many many people who have lost their homes with foreclosures, and the many who have lost their jobs. Don't forget the vets . McCain has voted against helping the vets. Remember Walter Reed hospital? Think of all the homeless vets and their homeless families.Is this how we repay them? Army suicide rate is expected to reach an all time high.
Don't forget the shady deals of Gonzalez,and their need to cover everything they do with "top secret or executive privilege." Do not forget Rove and Cheney.
McCain says that Obama will raise taxes. That is not true. Obama says he will lower taxes for the middle income people and raise taxes on the rich.
Let's not forget how strongly McCain was against torture. Now he is for it.
Think of our status in the world where we are no longer respected, and our allies are not so proud of us, and we are not so proud of us. Do you really think that McCain will be any different than Bush when he voted with Bush 90% of the time?
Obama is a very intelligent sincere person and I believe he will do his best to make this country better. Bush had experience as a governor and look at what we got. More important than experience is being intelligent enough to run a country and to listen to advisers in their given fields. I ask you to THINK before you vote.

President Bush doesn't have a vote in the Senate. So just who is it that McCain is voting with? That would be Republicans. But wait! Most votes in the Senate are unanimous! So that would mean that for most of those votes where McCain was voting "with Bush" you would find every Democrat voting right along with McCain. Funny we don't see that in the mainstream media. Fact is, where there is an actual contested and meaningful vote in the Senate you'll find McCain voting "with Bush" only 45% of the time.

dusgysted, your just too stupid to be allowed to exist.

and why would most of the convention be white, because more blacks are race minded than whites, yep, i know more black people, that are voting for obama just because he is black, they cant name anything the guy actually stands for, nor do they seem to care.. so, its really hard for you all to see truth, even when it slaps you in the face they are being lead by another black man, that they will vote for, not because they know what or why, but because of the color of his skin.

White people do the same thing.

Frankly, I don't even see it as a skin color issue. it's a voter problem. Voters pick the dumbest most trivial reasons to fucking vote. There's a lot of political and historical ignorance of ones own country in the USA, unfortunately.

Why? Well, not only is the media dumbed down to the point of insanity, so are the public schools.

dusgysted, your just too stupid to be allowed to exist.

#99 | Posted by kc101


funny shit

DISGUSTED: People should be "DISGUSTED" with you. You are using liberal talking points, which most all are lies like your lying canidate Biden.

"You are using liberal talking points, which most all are lies..." Posted by Oozieoswald

Oozie - why don't you go ahead and list out those lies for us?

SANAN

Don't you understand that in Rush Lollipop Land all you have to do is say so?

I know. And nobody likes those lollipops better than Oozie. But he has assured me that he "graduated near the top of his class" before so I am sure he can articulate those "liberal talking point lies" for us.

Dear SANOBAMA:

Yesterday Joe "Motor Mouth" Biden was asked, if he and FLOP EARS won the white house would they bring criminal charges against the Bush administration. Motor Mouths answer was, "I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT!".

That afternoon in Deerfield Beach, FL He said they would consider bringing criminal charges against the Bush administration.

I think, like you, Motor Mouth runs at the mouth so often he can't remember his last lie.

Maybe you should have graduated in the top of your class instead of the bottom.

Hows that for number ONE LIE!

By the way, how is AIR AMERICA doing?

You are, as usual, incorrect Oozie.

He said: "IF there has been a basis upon which you can pursue someone for a criminal violation, they will be pursued... no one is above the law."

Now its only in the most feeble minded that this translates into "if we win the white house we will bring criminal charges against the Bush administration." So I can see why you're confused.

probably because "black" ideologies don't agree with conservative ideologies.
Or im assuming you they're all suporting Obama, you gotta watch the back of your own kind rite?

besides, it doesn't bother me there were no blacks there.

I think what this country needs is the equivalent
Englands BNP (British National Party)

www.bnp.org.uk

"I think what this country needs is the equivalent
Englands BNP (British National Party)"

We already do: the Republicans.

SANOBAMA: Again you have the facts wrong. But what is new with you liberal ASSHOLES!

I think the BNP is a little more extreme, for the better.

That's why I vote republican.

?I think the BNP is a little more extreme, for the better. That's why I vote republican."

Gee, that's a sooprise.

"Again you have the facts wrong. Posted by oozieoswald"

Do tell?

I provided you with the actual quote from Biden. You provided ... nothing.

So if I'm wrong, prove it. Come on smart guy.

the Republicans are the closest to the BNP. I can't stand you pussy footing liberals who have to be "politically correct" with every little thing.

as well as liberals attempting to make everyone happy by classifiying them as a race.

Have you looked at a job application.
Race:
Caucasion
Black
hispanic
hispanic of african decent
hispanic carribean
hispanic carribean of african decent
Hispanic of white decent (don't leave out those arginitineans who mite trick you because they look white!)
African of non-black decent (b/c any south african really cares)

and the list goes on.


That is all thanks to pussy footing liberals.

"I can't stand you pussy footing liberals who have to be politically correct...."

There were so few non-whites at the Republican Convention because---

1) Non-whites just don't want to be Republican delegates.

2) Non-whites were prevented from being Republican delegates.

and besides, since when did anyone actually care if their were no blacks?? Oh when a black man was running for president.

This kind of reminds me of the white guys who hates blacks, but doesn't say anything when a black guy is around. no one ever cared if there were blacks or not at the RNC,but now that their is a blakc man running, lets make the point of noticing their are no blacks. Man, this liberal media cracks me up.

JEANYUS, operating on the assumption you are, in fact, not drunk----No one made a "point" of noticing there were few non-whites at your Convention---The fact was thrust in our faces.

"and besides, since when did anyone actually care if their were no blacks??"

At a GOPiggy convention?
Oh, that was probably a looooong time ago.
Back in the days when the Southern Strategy were percolating through Nixon's noggin.

The republicans should coddle the blacks to their faces and fuck them over behind their backs like the Dems.
The problem is that blacks are like sheep in the voting department. They're incapable of voting outside of the herd. 95% for Obama over Hillary. I wonder what the possible difference between the 2 was...hmmm.

"There were so few non-whites at the Republican Convention because---


1) Non-whites just don't want to be Republican delegates.


2) Non-whites were prevented from being Republican delegates."


Prevented???? hahaha Do you think the republican party wants to say to all blacks "fuck off" non-chelantly. When they know majority are going with Obama, they will try to take any "black vote" they can.

even though i personally don't care how many non-whites where there, i just think making a statement that they "were prevented" is absolutly rediculous. You probably get your news from those newspapers near the cashier at the supermarket.

Blacks don't tend to like Republicans. Can't imagine why.

"The republicans should coddle the blacks to their faces and fuck them over behind their backs like the Dems.
The problem is that blacks are like sheep in the voting department. They're incapable of voting outside of the herd. 95% for Obama over Hillary. I wonder what the possible difference between the 2 was...hmmm."

+1. definetly agreed.

No, JEANYUS, not nonchalantly, out of practiced and now often unconscious habit.


Blacks don't tend to like Republicans. Can't imagine why.

#126 | Posted by Zed at 2008-09-05 09:36 AM | Reply |


Maybe it's that whole "work hard/personal responsibility" thing Republicans talk about?

No, CHAIBORNE, I rather think it's the whole racist thing, as reflected in your 9:38.

there you go CHAIBORNE. Zed did exactly what i figured would happen. Some liberal put you into one of those "groups" again. you know those "groups" that always title someone.

i.e. the ethnicity groups, "racisits" for speaking whats true etc.

Now asking someone to work hard and take personal responsibilty is racist? I'll have to label my parents as such. Zed, you are a fucking hoot.

WISGOD, Zed is a liberal, you can't get to mad at someone just because they are politically dense.

I'm a hoot? Of course. And you're deliberately misreading CHAIRBORNE'S post and my response.

Reminds me of Rush. He often says fey things and then guilt trips people for understanding them as fey.

Tell you what---Let's ask CHAIRBORNE if he thinks Blacks as a group work hard and accept personal responsibility---Like your parents.

"I'm a hoot? Of course. And you're deliberately misreading CHAIRBORNE'S post and my response.
Reminds me of Rush. He often says fey things and then guilt trips people for understanding them as fey.
Tell you what---Let's ask CHAIRBORNE if he thinks Blacks as a group work hard and accept personal responsibility---Like your parents."


well featuring a very high percentage live off the system (in all aspects, homes, stamps etc) i would CHAIRBORNE is proably rite. llllaaaaazzzzzzzyyy. but of course im not speaking for all blacks, i dont want to be labeld as a racist.

I won't speak for all blacks either. Just the ones in the Milwaukee inner city.

"I don't want to be labeled as racist...."

Too late.

what a surprise.

SANOBAMA: I told you ASSHOLE. It was his statement in Deerfield Beach. Prove I,m wrong! It was repeated several times over the radio. I'm sure you will not find the lie in the New York Slime.

PS SANOBAMA: I saw Joe (Mortor Mouth)Biden on FOX yesterday and your so called proof is Bull Shit. He stated he had never heard "Criminal charges against the Bush Administration. Maybe you should go back to Berkely and start over with your education.

repulicans don't talk about race because it doesn't matter what color you are. Dems talk about it all the time because color of your skin does matter to them and they make it an issue when they can.

Rush's right hand man is black; Rush never mentions it because it doesn't matter.

Republicans are about equal rights, not special rights.

google the history of Civil Rights Act of 1964 and look what party tried to block it

Votes for the Act by party
House
Dems 61%-39%
Rep 80%-20%

Senate
Dems 69%-31%
Rep 82%-18%

"It was his statement in Deerfield Beach. Prove I,m wrong! It was repeated several times over the radio. Posted by oozieoswald"

You can claim he said this or that he said that as much as you want to Oozie. I gave you his EXACT quote.

"He stated he had never heard "Criminal charges against the Bush Administration."

That is correct... because he never said they were going to bring criminal charges against Bush or the Administration.

So again, smart boy, give me a quote or a link to back up what you're saying.

Good post 'KC101'... I find it interesting that being of 'mixed race', and raised by white grandparents....and, using his mother and grandmother in so many speeches as his models, etc.. that when it came time to package himself, he totally elected the 'black persona'... now, there is a real reason for that and it is because he knew, that no matter his lack of experience, no matter that as an 'elected' member of the state legislature and the US Senate, that he wasted a lot of time voting 'present' and missing votes and the only real focus has been campaigning, that he really has nothing other than race to stand on..yes, he knew as the first 'black' candidate, that voters would come his way specifically and solely based on that reason... this is not rocket science... look at his associations...most border on the early 'Malcolm X' theory and I am not totally convinced that he does not believe that underlying tone will get him that particular black vote.. now, in other posts, I do not think that black people are ignorant of issues and what they want in a good life, like everyone else... and, in reality, there is no difference, to me, in all of God's children.. but, I think it would take a complete idiot not to believe that most of the voting black poplulation see this as a lot more than just a Presidential election and will vote for him no matter what he lacks in qualification...

google the history of Civil Rights Act of 1964 and look what party tried to block it

Votes for the Act by party
House
Dems 61%-39%
Rep 80%-20%

Senate
Dems 69%-31%
Rep 82%-18%

#141 | Posted by Maverick

And then all the Southern Dems quit to form the Dixiecrat party and then joined the Pubs, as that was where they found a comfortable home for their racism. I suggest you Google the history of the Republican party.

repulicans don't talk about race because it doesn't matter what color you are.

#141 | Posted by Maverick

Tell that to Shannon Reeves. Actions speak louder than words.

When I travel to speak at Republican conferences and events around the country, wandering through hotels, convention centers and social clubs, as I approach the rooms where I'm scheduled to speak, I am often told by Republicans that I must be in the wrong place. While boarding a shuttle bus to a national convention a few years ago, an attendee who was already on the bus introduced himself to another white guest who was boarding, took one look at me and, in an attempt to be helpful, told me I was on the wrong bus. As a Bush delegate at the 2000 convention in Philadelphia, I proudly wore my delegate's badge and RNC lapel pin as I worked the convention. Regardless of the fact that I was obviously a delegate prominently displaying my credentials, no less than six times did white delegates dismissively tell me to fetch them a taxi or carry their luggage.

Imagine how our Republican women would have felt if they had been mistaken for hotel maids. These people didn't see that I wasn't wearing a uniform; all they saw was a black face and they made an assumption.

How many white delegates at that convention do you think were asked to carry someones luggage?

that when it came time to package himself, he totally elected the 'black persona'...
#143 | Posted by drsoul

No, because that's the way race is seen in America. He has a brown face, so he is seen as a Black man. It's that simple. I don't think he's packaged himself as a black man at all. Its the image others, like yourself, have thrusted on him his whole life.

No, because that's the way race is seen in America. He has a brown face, so he is seen as a Black man. It's that simple. I don't think he's packaged himself as a black man at all. Its the image others, like yourself, have thrusted on him his whole life.
#145 | Posted by TFDNihilist

I personally do not see him as a black man because he has a brown face...and the 'thrusted' comment is certainly not a very intelligent one.. my world is not about color, but substance of a person.. the mechanics of politics is very different than other vernaculars of the world and I think that he would get more respect if he did not choose the black side of his heritage as the dominant factor.... pretty simple for intelligent minded souls..!!! It is still not an easy life to be of mixed race in this country, unfortunately, and I think he would establish himself better if he had not CHOSEN one side or the other... the majority of votes in this election for him are still based on HISTORICAL CULTURAL ISSUES, not substantive issues to carry out in the oval...

oh tfd.....you HAVE to be kidding. a BROWN face is why we see him as black.
so how do you explain him going from barry to barak?


and so its understandable that leftists will do anything to keep the black vote because its about as dependable as you can get
what I dont understand is why blacks keep voting for them when the war on poverty failed at least up to now...
and there is still a precieved need for people like jackson and sharpton........

and I assure you there are plenty of black republicans but when they are out too much, they get the condi rice treatment and they are dismissed by democrats because they are seen as an erosion into thier "AUTOMATIC" vote talley.

in other words, its not in the best interest of the democrat party to really get something done for blacks. if they did, then they wouldnt NEED Them anymore......
I know many intelligent and hard working blacks from my teaching days that considered the democrat treatment of blacks when it came to voting and issues as racist.........

TFD
that's one persons account; could be true, could be false.

this coming from a rep. with mostly rep. family and friends; color doesn't mater, either you are a good person or bad.

my bottom line is I don't want the gov. providing more and more programs like the dems want. I can take care of myself.............freedom

well, I need to get to work. have a good day

good post maverick

and lets go back to the comment from huckabe...
he didnt work hard to succeed because the government was there to see to it.
lots of people need help now and then but the less government you have, the better
I just thank God that the texas leg only meets every other year.

BL2 be honest. You gave minority students lower grades didn't you?

We see that McCain has voted with Bush 90% of the time. Do not forget why we needed a real change.Remember the economy, and paying $4.00 a gallon for milk and gas. Remember the deceitful lies to get us into an unprovoked war. Remember the many many people who have lost their homes with foreclosures, and the many who have lost their jobs. Don't forget the vets . McCain has voted against helping the vets. Remember Walter Reed hospital? Think of all the homeless vets and their homeless families.Is this how we repay them? Army suicide rate is expected to reach an all time high.
Don't forget the shady deals of Gonzalez,and their need to cover everything they do with "top secret or executive privilege." Do not forget Rove and Cheney.
McCain says that Obama will raise taxes. That is not true. Obama says he will lower taxes for the middle income people and raise taxes on the rich.
Let's not forget how strongly McCain was against torture. Now he is for it.
Think of our status in the world where we are no longer respected, and our allies are not so proud of us, and we are not so proud of us. Do you really think that McCain will be any different than Bush when he voted with Bush 90% of the time?
Obama is a very intelligent sincere person and I believe he will do his best to make this country better. Bush had experience as a governor and look at what we got. More important than experience is being intelligent enough to run a country and to listen to advisers in their given fields. I ask you to THINK before you vote.

Dear Disgusted... it is about a hell of a lot more than being 'intelligent' to run a country and listen to advisers in given fields.. you have to show the ability to make good 'judgements' and Obama is bankrupt on that element... 'idealism' in how to run a country is fine, but you have to back that up with a long road of 'judgement' experience.. his judgements alone in associations and his own brand of deceit certainly do not rank very high in qualifications.. you can keep throwing this rhetoric of the 90% support of Bush around for McCain, but that is also a line of deceit..
Listen, neither of these men are actually very strong candidates alone...and BOTH have flipflopped as much as the other... unfortunately, in the REAL WORLD category, Obama stands a little behind McCain and that is a critical element.. if he had really worked in the Senate instead of politic primarily from day one and remove some of the naivety about him, it might be different... Yes, this nation needs change, but do not be blinded by 'idealistic naivety' in a charismatic person to think that he has the wherewithal to come in and make all of the changes he proposes... great rhetoric (as every politican likes to spout)..but he is not very realistic.. CHANGE will come in small doses no matter the winner of this fragile election..!!!


BL2 be honest. You gave minority students lower grades didn't you?

#151 | Posted by rastaninja at


well of course you dope

I wouldnt want to lose my republican status now would I ?

well have to go now........the deadbeat bum on the corner is going to be there and I can drive by real fast and throw some shit on him
and the little old lady down the street might be getting a government check today that I can steal............

disgusted........I stopped reading after your line about voting with bush 90 % of the time with no mention at all that figures I have read showed that obama voted with the liberals 95 % of the time.
is there a party over country comment soon to come?

and remember one important vote

ENERGY BILL FROM GEORGE BUSH

MCCAIN NO
OBAMA YES


and please add that to you well written post about energy

Don't forget the shady deals of Gonzalez,and their need to cover everything they do with "top secret or executive privilege
Posted by disgusted

You certainly and conveniently forget how Obama uses the same tactics to cover up his relationships and 'behind the scenes' tactics... yes, I really want a leader who tries to suppress the freedom of press and speech, especially when it serves to cover up the truths he disguises in 'dust off' remarks of 'poor me'...!!!

Fiscal Conservative Reagan $200 billion deficit
Fiscal Conservative Bush 1 $300 billion deficit
tax and spend liberal Clinton $200 billion surplus
Fiscal Conservative Bush 2 $482 billion deficit

McCain
My friends, you'll be pleased to know I'm a fiscal covservative

This has been passed around the net, but it does illustrate some good 'plank' suggestions..!!!

Bill Cosby: (and Bill has not truly confirmed this for me)....HERE IS MY PLATFORM:

(1) 'Press 1 for English' is immediately banned. English is the official language; speak it or wait at the border until you can.

(2) We will immediately go into a two year isolationist posture to straighten out the country's attitude. NO imports, no exports.
We will use the 'Wal-Mart's policy, 'If we ain't got it, you don't need it.'

(3) When imports are allowed, there will be a 100% import tax assessed.

(4) All retired military personnel will be required to man one of our many observation towers on the southern border. (six month tour) They will be under strict orders not to fire on SOUTHBOUND aliens.

(5) Social security will immediately return to its original state. If you didn't put nothing in, you ain't getting nothing out. The president, nor any other politician, will not be able to touch it.

(6) Welfare - Checks will be handed out on Fridays at the end of the 40 hour school week and the successful completion of urinalysis and a passing grade.

(7) Professional Athletes --Steroids - The FIRST time you check positive you're banned for life.

(8) Crime - We will adopt the Turkish method, the first time you steal, you lose your right hand. There are no more life sentences. If convicted, you will be put to death by the same method you chose for your victim; gun, knife, strangulation, etc.!

(9) One export will be allowed; Wheat, The world needs to eat. A bushel of wheat will be the exact price of a barrel of oil.

(10) All foreign aid using American taxpayer money will immediately cease, and the saved money will pay off the national debt and ultimately lower taxes. When disasters occur around the world, we'll ask the American people if they want to donate to a disaster fund, and each citizen can make the decision whether it's a worthy cause.

(11) The Pledge of Allegiance will be said every day at school and every day in Congress.

(12) The National Anthem will be played at all appropriate ceremonies, sporting events, outings, etc.

Sorry if I stepped on anyone's toes but a vote for me will get you better than what you have, and better than what you're gonna get. Thanks for listening, and remember to write in my name on the ballot in November.
God Bless America !!!!!!!!!!!

This article say it all

The truth is difficult

Too funny. The Dems have strict rules about what percentage of their delegation has to be women, minorities, GLBT--then they tell everyone how diverse they are.

It almost as if they were to mandate no fried foods and no meat, then put out a press release saying how unusually healthy and low in cholesterol are the diets are among their delegates.

President Bush doesn't have a vote in the Senate. So just who is it that McCain is voting with? That would be Republicans. But wait! Most votes in the Senate are unanimous! So that would mean that for most of those votes where McCain was voting "with Bush" you would find every Democrat voting right along with McCain. Funny we don't see that in the mainstream media. Fact is, where there is an actual contested and meaningful vote in the Senate you'll find McCain voting "with Bush" only 45% of the time.

Who really wins?????

www.uncountedthemovie.com

"Most votes in the Senate are unanimous!"

Link?

Wow DrSoul, sounds like quite the authoritarian state you've set up there. Personally, I prefer a free republic where the Government doesn't tell me what to pledge or what language to speak.

Repub Convention 'Almost Entirely White'

Damn!!!

That is kinda fucked up.

Let's see, where did this story come from .. OH, MSNBC.. the OBama Channel! What a surprise!

Let's look at the real world.. Clarence Thomas, Condeleeza Rice, Colon Powell.. who appointed those "people of color" to their high positions.. Democrats? Nope, think again..

Who played the race card against OBama.. Repubs? nope.. think again.. it was the Clintons..

The implications of this story just don't pass the truth meter..

"The implications of this story just don't pass the truth meter.. "

But Republicans admitting they're the party of racism sure does:

www.usatoday.com

Repub Convention 'Almost Entirely White'

Damn!!!

That is kinda fucked up.

#166 | Posted by fresno500

Sure as shit is, what were those few non-whites doing there any way... if only colt 45 malt liquor was begin served, things could be different.


President Bush doesn't have a vote in the Senate. So just who is it that McCain is voting with? That would be Republicans. But wait! Most votes in the Senate are unanimous! So that would mean that for most of those votes where McCain was voting "with Bush" you would find every Democrat voting right along with McCain. Funny we don't see that in the mainstream media. Fact is, where there is an actual contested and meaningful vote in the Senate you'll find McCain voting "with Bush" only 45% of the time.

#161 | Posted by kc101


politifact.com

The republicans should coddle the blacks to their faces and fuck them over behind their backs like the Dems.
The problem is that blacks are like sheep in the voting department. They're incapable of voting outside of the herd. 95% for Obama over Hillary. I wonder what the possible difference between the 2 was...hmmm.

#124 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-09-05 09:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

If it were just about skin color, then 95% of blacks would have voted for jackson or sharpton previously.

They didn't.

I've been quite the windbag this morning. Enough of that. Have a great day, BLUE. I'd enjoy continuing these sorts of discussions with you down the road.

#97 | Posted by OohRah at 2008-09-05 05:41 AM |

Apologies for being so tardy in replying. I haven't yet taken on board the rest of your post but on first reading there's some of it I might mostly agree with. I'm sure we can find a path through the partisan dreck on future threads to discuss our differences further because I enjoy our discussions too. If only all who lean to the left or right were like us, eh!!!! Or like Obama and .... I'm trying to think .... Colin Powell? .... Paul O'Neill? .... Christie Todd Whitman??, I'm sorry, I really am out of names so unbalanced, in all senses of the word(IMO), has the Republican party become. Maybe you can suggest a few more, I still haven't got round to finding out more about Michael Steele(sp?).

Oohrah,

Just been through Wikipedia on Michael Steele. Seems like an OK guy only marginally connected to DeLay/Abramoff. He took over GOPAC when both of those sleazeballs were history. The Oreo cookie incident must have been great fun on FOX News. He's a bit lukewarm on the death penalty and banning stem cell research for the rightnuts and though opposed to abortion is not opposed to Roe v Wade on stare decisis grounds which won't endear him to the rightnuts either. A bit shaky on affirmative action for them too. I see there was some buzz about him being the VP pick but those positions probably did him in with rightnut appeasement being necessary, which is why we got Palin.

WTF IS stare decisis, anyway. "Let the decision stand"??? Gotta clue myself up on that now!

I've just looked at(not read) stare decisis on Wikipedia. My brain hurts.

Stare decisis (Case Law) simply means that judges are obligated to base future decisions on the precedents of past decisions, though it is not uncommon to ignore Case Law when expediencies take precedent.

A lawyer when arguing a case would typically cite past decisions to buttress the strength of his argument.

Roe v Wade did ignore Case Law, but politically, the issue is too hot for any Supreme Court to overturn. It ain't gonna happen.

"...and banning stem cell research for the rightnuts..."

Nobody has or will ban stem cell research. The federal government has just refused to FUND any FURTHER stem cell research beyond what it is already funding....as it should. Read the WHOLE article and become better informed.

newsbatch.com

JGA,

All right. Banning federal funding for stem cell research or only using those stem cells that Bush(Bush!)considers proper. May I remind you that he issued THAT pronouncement in early August 2001? About the same time his administration might have been more profitably considering terrorist threats rather than appeasing rightnuts and thinking about ways to invade Iraq.

The "Bin Laden determined to strike in US." Presidential Daily Briefing which specifically mentioned New York was delivered to him down there in Crawford on August 6, 2001. You know, the one where he dismissed the person delivering it with "All right, you've covered your ass".

If it were just about skin color, then 95% of blacks would have voted for jackson or sharpton previously.

They didn't.

#170 | Posted by Alexandrite

Ah but a black with charisma and a chance of getting elected, that's different. It's interesting that Obama shares a common background as a "Community Organizer."

"Banning federal funding for stem cell research or only using those stem cells that Bush(Bush!)considers proper. May I remind you that he issued THAT pronouncement in early August 2001?"

Only for federal funding. Any private firm can do ANY type of stem cell research on ANY type of stem cell it wants. It just won't be funded by the government (taxpayers.) Now...was that easy enough for you to grasp?

From the article:

"The Gallup Poll following the debate indicated support for the decision but there is evidence that the public has a limited understanding of the issue."

Obviously, the "public" is YOU.

Read further:

"How will the decision impact U. S. research?

The decision will certain limit the number of government funded research projects but it has no effect on private stem cell research except that there will be a continuing ban on the cloning of embryos for the purpose of extracting stem cells. Because this technology is so promising, it is likely that there will be privately funded research. Because of the limitations, there is minimal funding for embryonic stem cell research although there is significant funding of other types of research involving stem cells."

Feel free to get back to me for interpretation if you need it.

Thanks for the clarification, Ray. I think that's what Wikipedia was saying, among other things. As a layman I think that precedents should always be considered and given great weight but they are not Holy Writ.

I'm not arguing and I don't know but how did Roe v Wade overturn case law? I agree that it's a minefield politically. I don't agree that it could never be changed. Let the rightnuts and the evangelicals back in control of Congress and the Presidency as they were for a few years and more judges like Roberts and Alito, or even Scalia and Thomas, on SCOTUS would be the result. They'd do it.

"...and more judges like Roberts and Alito, or even Scalia and Thomas, on SCOTUS would be the result. They'd do it."

Please excuse my intrusion, but Roe v. Wade SHOULD be repealed. Abortion is not an issue to be dealt with by the federal government. How in hell the SCOTUS ever found a "right" to abortion in the Constitution, I'll never know. It is an issue that should be left to the individual states.

Of course I can grasp the difference between public and private funding. Can you grasp the ramifications arising from a decision not to publicly fund scientific and medical research on religious grounds because, after you blow away all the smoke, that's why that decision was made?

I'd suggest a little reading for you. Article VI of the Constitution of the United States of America and the first Amendment and their implicit if not literal meaning.

What's next? Privatize the military? The intelligence services? Of course, I'm being absurd to suggest this but Bush has started us down that path with the military and probably the intelligence function as well.

JGA, the GOP platform calls for an Amendment to the 14th Amendment, changing "born" to "born and unborn" - removing the right from the States.

I'm not arguing and I don't know but how did Roe v Wade overturn case law?'


Roe v Wade was a state's rights issue. The Supreme Court over reached its authority when it made abortion a federal issue. If Roe v Wade were to be overturned, it would have to be on those grounds. I agree with Jest.

Abortion is not an issue to be dealt with by the federal government.

I'm open to correction here but wasn't Roe v Wade a judicial decision and ratified in effect by the ultimate authority in the judiciary, SCOTUS?

SCOTUS can rule on lots of things that aren't explicitly in the Constitution. Again I'm open to correction but I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few decisions regarding slavery, voting rights and Prohibition that SCOTUS made that the Constitution didn't address, deliberately or otherwise.

What's next? Privatize the military? The intelligence services? Of course, I'm being absurd to suggest this but Bush has started us down that path with the military and probably the intelligence function as well.

As absurd as it sounds, it's already been done to give the impression that the DOD employs less personnel and resources than in actuality.

"Can you grasp the ramifications arising from a decision not to publicly fund scientific and medical research on religious grounds because, after you blow away all the smoke, that's why that decision was made?"

Sure I can. I don't care WHY the federal government isn't going to "publicly" fund (with my taxes) stem cell research. It has no business funding stem cell research. Where did you find THAT a function of the federal government in the Constitution. Next, you'll be wanting federal funding for development of softer toilet paper to pamper your candy ass

I'm open to correction here but wasn't Roe v Wade a judicial decision and ratified in effect by the ultimate authority in the judiciary, SCOTUS?

The trend towards federalizing state laws has been accumulating since the Civil War. At this point in time, Congress and the Judiciary usurp the powers of the states whenever the whim suits their purpose. In effect, the states have become cantons of Washington.

Another case is where Washington recruited the National Guard to send to the ME.

Roe v Wade needs to be a federal issue. You can't have Southern red states making decisions on health care in any sense. The people are too stupid to make such decisions. Living in one until the school year ends has proven it to me. the republicans here are like cartoon characters. Imagine boss hogs on every corner. That is what your modern southern republican is like.

Ray the constitution is just a piece of paper these days. People are more intelligent than they were all those years ago.

"SCOTUS can rule on lots of things that aren't explicitly in the Constitution. Again I'm open to correction but I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few decisions regarding slavery, voting rights and Prohibition that SCOTUS made that the Constitution didn't address, deliberately or otherwise."

Absolutely...and you may notice that those mistakes were repealed...just like Roe v. Wade should be.
Incidently, some states still deny convicted felons the right to vote. The right to vote is a matter left to the individual states. The Constitution just says states can't deny that right on certain rights, like race, color, sex etc. They can, however, deny the right to vote in SOME instances.
My whole point in all these discussions is that the federal government has expanded WAAAYY beyond its powers granted by the Constitution....and it KEEPS expanding.

"Ray the constitution is just a piece of paper these days. People are more intelligent than they were all those years ago."

LOL...YOU are living proof that this is bullshit...LOL.

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jest you aren't even a real man. I'll take your words as a compliment

I don't care WHY the federal government isn't going to "publicly" fund (with my taxes) stem cell research

In the real world scientific and medical research can be expensive and sometimes needs lots of money to fund it. Sometimes it is of such a magnitude that only a government can wholly or partially fund it.

The governments of China, Russia, India, most EU members and other developed countries are very glad to see the United States voluntarily relinquishing its world leadership in science and research through one of its major political parties pursuing policies based on rigid ideological grounds born of me, me, me attitudes or in order to appease a doctrinaire voting bloc that they must kowtow to.

Jest would rather just pray to jeebus for his healthcare.

The right to vote is a matter left to the individual states ... posted by JestGettingAlong.

Not wanting to start an argument or anything but I would merely mention the Bush v Gore decision when State's rights are being discussed vis a vis SCOTUS. Seems to me there was something of a contradiction there that might, just might, have been based on a conflict of interest resulting in that 5-4 decision. But I'm probably wrong and certainly won't lack any amount of downright, upright, sideways right, right thinking and righteous people to correct me.

when Palin heard that Obama finally beat Hillary she was overhead saying "so Sambo beat the bitch"

she appears to be in the right party!

you may notice that those mistakes[decisions regarding slavery and voting rights] were repealed...just like Roe v. Wade should be.... Posted by JestGettingAlong

This assumes that Roe v Wade WAS a mistake.

Endorsing slavery and denying voting rights to ANYBODY are obviously wrong. Roe v Wade is not OBVIOUSLY wrong unless you have allowed your religious faith to supplant your ability to reason. Its opponents, if it were repealed and the decision turned over to the States, would immediately attempt to ban it at the federal level. You know they would, it's an article of faith with nearly all of them and a great many of them are holy rollers, speak in tongues or do other weird stuff. Once you let religion in the door, sanity and objective reasoning fly out the window.

when Palin heard that Obama finally beat Hillary she was overhead saying "so Sambo beat the bitch"

You can't just say this kind of thing without sourcing it. A quick Google just turns up a bunch of partisan left-wing sites repeating it just like the right-wing blogs, rightwingradio, the other Drudge and FOX do from the other side.

It's BS. Who the hell says Sambo in 2008? There IS video of Palin trashing Clinton for playing the gender card just like Palin and her supporters are doing right now. Use that.

"Endorsing slavery and denying voting rights to ANYBODY are obviously wrong."

It wasn't obvious back in the Dredd Scott days, was it?

"Roe v Wade is not OBVIOUSLY wrong unless you have allowed your religious faith to supplant your ability to reason."

It's obvious to me that the federal government has no business being involved in the issue, PERIOD! Religion has no bearing on the matter as far as I'm concerned.

"Its opponents, if it were repealed and the decision turned over to the States, would immediately attempt to ban it at the federal level."

If you mean the states would begin a movement to ban abortion by amendment to the Constitution, I don't agree with you. Nobody in his right mind would ever think there was a chance of getting 67% of the states to ratify such an amendment. The states will pass their own laws, some more restrictive than others, but I don't think any state will ever completely ban all abortions.

after this story, believing the Sambo story not hard!
certainly knows how to embelish, isn't that what Bush does?

Palin: "I told the Congress "thanks, but no thanks," for that Bridge to Nowhere. If our state wanted a bridge, we'd build it ourselves."


Just to reiterate what others have said: Congress' requirement that funds be spent on that bridge (aka the 'earmark') were removed before Sarah Palin became governor. She was therefore in no position to tell Congress anything about the bridge, one way or the other. During her campaign, she said she supported funding for the bridge. Brad Plumer, citing the Anchorage Dialy News via Nexis:

"5. Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?

Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now--while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist."

This has been a fascinating thread. Repeatedly the real-life experiences of blacks has been ignored (eg. Shannon Reeves), in favor of generalities to more often than not cast persons of African inheritance in a poor light. Many years ago, the Dred Scott decision said that the words and actions of any person of African inheritance could be utterly disregarded. The legacy of unfairness remains today, for poor judicial decisions can be overturned, new laws can be enacted but personal sentiments are heavily influenced by cultural legacy. Ralph Ellison wrote the "Invisible Man". Sojorner Truth allegedly said "Ain't I a Woman". I thank God for their eye-opening witness of life in the United States. In the same vein, I thank God for the candor of all the writers in this thread who have, by and large, let me see that real experiences and aspiration of United States citizens of African inheritance is considered unimportant. By the way, I share many Republican sentiments and maintain membership in the Heritage Foundation. I maintain registration as a Democrat and have been elected to be an Election Judge, because I seek to minimize the interpersonal violence that I encounter as an independent, accountable, self-actualizing humanist woman.

Well said, Sobrevivir.

I keep reading that the Republican party is racist - YET, the civil rights bill only passed because of the Republican votes - as the Democrats were too many in opposition: Matter of Congressional Record. The left has used the 'big lie' (ref: Mein Kampf ) for many decades, yet the record exposes the truth.

You're welcome to look it up [both the 'big lie' and the congressional record on the votes Civil Rights Bill] if you actually want to know the truth (I'm sure most of you will not).

"I keep reading that the Republican party is racist - YET, the civil rights bill only passed because of the Republican votes - as the Democrats were too many in opposition: Matter of Congressional Record."

You mean the liberal Republicans joined with the liberal Democrats to pass a bill signed by a liberal president? Meanwhile, the conservative Democrats who opposed the bill went on to become Republicans?

Like that?

Oh, and if the Republican party isn't racist, how do you explain such choice representatives of the GOP right here who say things like "FLOP EARS" and "The first Yellow Negro"?


YET, the civil rights bill only passed because of the Republican votes

And the President who introduced the bill was ??


Nothing yet?

Hm.

Blessings go to all persons on this thread who have let me that racialist assaults perpetrated against a G_d believing human being do not merit attention, let along empathy. Blessings to all members of the Drudge community.

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