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Monday, September 01, 2008

The 17-year-old daughter of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is pregnant, Palin said on Monday in an announcement intended to knock down rumors by liberal bloggers that Palin faked her own pregnancy to cover up for her child.

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McCain officials said the news of the daughter's pregnancy was being released to rebut what one aide called "mud-slinging and lies" circulating on liberal blog sites...

"The despicable rumors that have been spread by liberal blogs, some even with Barack Obama's name in them, is a real anchor around the Democratic ticket, pulling them down in the mud in a way that certainly juxtaposes themselves against their 'campaign of change,'" a senior aide said.


So, what have these people got against birth control?

I suppose the good news is Palin wasn't writing a book about family values.

The story of this woman and her family gets better and better and more and more like a comic strip every hour.

I don't suppose the daughter had made the "pledge" about sex before marriage, by any chance? Or the father?

It's just going to be a little shotgun wedding.

That's something we Southerners can understand.

Here's the deal. The righties will be on here shortly to drag this down as an abortion debate, and that is nothing but a distraction. The real issue is that a 17 year old shouldn't be pregnant in the first place, and abstinance only education is a horrible failure.

Yes, the issue is that Palin supports abstinance only education, and couldn't keep her own daughter from getting pregnant out of wedlock. And that is exactly what she wants to foster upon the entire nation. A known failed policy that she couldn't even effectively administer to her family.

If abstinance only worked, Bristol wouldn't be pregnant. The only thing abstinance only does is deny birth control to teens who are going to have sex anyway. It creates more teen pregancies, the pre-requisites for abortion.

Now it's great that Bristol has a loving family and has the financial support to keep the baby, and that daddy is going to marry her.
But most girls aren't going to be that lucky. And when they get pregnant because a McCain/Palin administration has banned birthcontrol, abortions will increase.

The repeatedly proven failure of abstinance only education is a major reason why I have no interest in supporting a Republican candidate.
This isn't about Palin's daughter, it's about Palin's judgement.

These bumpkins are looking weirder than the Addams family every day.

So, what have these people got against birth control?

#2 | Posted by Zed

jesus will slap you silly if you even think about birth control.

haven't you been paying attention to the experts (the pope and other celibate men, the prez and other impotent men, talbibaptists and others that shouldn't breed under any circumstances.)

WTF is Sarah Palin hiding in her hair?

I wonder when the "young man" will marry Bristol? Before or after the election? The point of waiting would be? Well, to be cynical, the point of waiting is to see if you can evade it.

I see my stalker, Ray, has arrived.

I wonder if Sarah Palin, "Miss Whale Blubber 1994" runner up, wishes she HAD been for sex education and birth control.....

Oh, the irony.

Soon, TonyRoma will come along and apologize for his cut-and-pasting of all the other disinformation from the past two days.

Or not. Why let facts get in the way of some good Obamite talking points?

Palin Almost Recalled As Mayor

Seems that Palin honed this skill back as Mayor of Wasilla, where she was nearly recalled, for firing the Police Chief and Library Director for not supporting her in her 1996 race for Mayor.

Yes, that's right. Hack n' Sack Sarah didn't even try to hide it. She didn't say the Police Chief and Library Director were doing a bad job. No, she fired them for "not fully supporting her efforts to govern" (i.e., not endorsing her for Mayor).

www.huffingtonpost.com

And when they get pregnant because a McCain/Palin administration has banned birthcontrol, abortions will increase.
* * * *

LOL. What a retard. More BS regurgitated from the NARAL crowd.

I love the way the lefties get so hysterical about abortion rights, as if any administration would be able to ban birth control, or abortions.

Carry on, though. You're funnier this way.

"As if any administration would be able to ban birth control...."

Are there condoms in Alaska?

Since John McCain has called Sarah Palin his 'Soulmate'(after having been with her for a total of 3 hours in 6 months), does this mean he's some kind of an great uncle/granddaddy to Bristol's baby? I'm not sure how that kind of thing works up there in Alaska.

#20 | Posted by nullifidian
Tsk tsk. I must have hit a sore spot.

If I am wrong, I will never post on this blog again.

That is how serious and completely confident I am of my assessment of this flow of historical information. I don't boast or make wild claims. This is all too very real.

Palin was so deep into the conservative ethos of no-sex-before-marriage that she lied about and covered-up her own daughter's teen pregnancy for the sake of her political standing....

Posted by tonyroma at 2008-08-31 08:17 PM

FRONT PAGE PLEASE!!!

"Tsk tsk. I must have hit a sore spot."

You've posted nothing but personal attacks on this thread. Looks like you're the one that has a sore spot. I've better things to do than waste time on your nonsense.

p.s. How much money have you donated to the Von Mises Institute?

I'm glad Bristol has the love and support of her family, that's expected and proper.

My question is: If the child was aborted-still love and support? If not, why not?

I second SITDOWN's "FRONT PAGE"

Gee, if Miss Whale Blubber runner-up had been paying attention to what her daughter was doing maybe this wouldn't have happened.

Sarah Palin's pregnancy as she was elected Governor was irresponsible too.

But, when you don't believe in birth control - even for married couples - shit happens

Right?

"Had been paying attention to what her daughter was doing...."

My wife just pointed out Dr. Laura states much the same thing all the time: It's selfish for a parent to take time away from their family for any reason, and when they do just look what happens.

How much have you donated to the Von Mises Institute?

Gotta love the lefties here belittling a family which chooses to stand behind their child for making a teenaged mistake and trying to make the best of it.

Seeing that the lefties are so understanding and compassionate how long is it going to take the malicious rumormongers to apologize for spreading that vile innuendo that Palin "faked" her pregnancy to cover her daughter's pregnancy and she is really the grandmother? THAT should have been the FIRST thing out of your mouth.

I like what I've heard about Sarah Palin so far but John McCain still bothers me but not for the reasons you lefties seem to think make a difference so as of now I'm still not voting for him. However if I hear too much more contrived wishful BS about either Palin or McCain from the left I'll vote for him as will millions of other Americans.

Too bad 0bama's pledge to "take the high road" so to speak hasn't reached his minions on the DR.

BTW this will be the 10th Presidential election I have voted in and IF I vote for McCain the 2nd time I have voted Republican so dont bother trying to label me partisan - that shoe is on YOUR foot.

That Bristol is one tough cookie. Her dad couldn't get her to stop the video camera when she was 5 or 6 years old (see other thread)

I love the way the lefties get so hysterical about abortion rights

Oh yes, Righties don't get hysterical about abortion at all. What is Palin's qualification for VP, besides her pro-life stance?
If Palin was pro-choice, the conservative outrage would have already booted her off the ticket, and you know it.

If the plan isn't to ban birth control and abortion, then what does it matter what the VP's personal beliefs are, if it has no bearing on policy? The GOP orgasm over Palin betrays your claim.

Did Grandpa McCain know about Bristol's Indiscretion before he chose the Hockey mom?
I absolutely love it when these Evangelical Hypocrites get caught up in their preaching "Do as I say, but not as my family does".

"Teenaged mistake...."

1) Teens should not have sex, period. Parents should enforce that as humanly possible, period.

2) If teens DO have sex, they should use birth control, period.

3) If you're a teen and have sex but don't use birth control, a reasonable assumption is you wanted the kid before you got into bed.

Bristol can always name the little bugger John. McCain's reckless pick of Palin will make Bristol's baby the most famous baby in America for a time. He is, after all, Sarah's 'soulmate' (his own words)

Wonder if they'll get married with her preggers or after.

"..dont bother trying to label me partisan"

says Gimme a Scotch, but all he does is make derogatory remarks about "the lefties"

I for one couldn't care less who he votes for.

How much have you donated to the Von Mises Institute?

#29 | Posted by nullifidian

A hundred dollars a year goes to:
Antiwar.com
Mises Institute - Mises.org
LewRockwell.com
Foundation for Economic Freedom - fee.org
The Future of Freedom Foundation - fff.org

I recommend anybody who cherishes freedom to donate to these worthy causes. They among are the best sites that inform us on the evils of government. Sadly they are out matched by the Mainstream Media.

Gotta love the lefties here belittling a family which chooses to stand behind their child for making a teenaged mistake and trying to make the best of it.

GIMME A SCOTCH

Huh? She's 17. It was a parental mistake.

Since he mom doesn't believe in birth control (even for married couples), sex education, and was more concerned with being a politician than being a mother who had a clue where her daughter was or if she was it was a glaring parental mistake.

You right wing nuts are a friggin' hoot !!

Gotta love the lefties here belittling a family which chooses to stand behind their child for making a teenaged mistake and trying to make the best of it.

GIMME A SCOTCH

Huh? She's 17. It was a parental mistake.

Since her mom doesn't believe in birth control (even for married couples), sex education, and was more concerned with being a politician than being a mother who had a clue where her daughter was or if she was using birth control (which Miss Whale Blubber runner-up doesn't believe in) it was a glaring parental mistake.

You right wing nuts are a friggin' hoot !!

Bwa hah hah hah hah hah.

Spud swears to gawd that the graveyard guy down at the local 7 Eleven prolly went through a more serious vetting process than Sarah "Clowncar" Palin.

Too funny.

Be Well.

/More on topic?

Kudos to Miss Palin and hubster fer not shunning their 17 yo pregnant daughter. Unfortunately fer her she loses all those kudos and them some fer being such an anti-contraceptive/ anti choice individual in her political and private life.

//'Kay?

"If I am wrong, I will never post on this blog again.
That is how serious and completely confident I am of my assessment of this flow of historical information. I don't boast or make wild claims. This is all too very real."
#459 | Posted by tonyroma at 2008-08-31 08:17 PM |

The silence would be golden but Tony will renege on his promise using some feeble excuse. But that's almost OK his 0bamanizing makes him the best shill McCain/Palin could hope for on the DR.

And BTW Tony the "fact" you were pushing was that Sarah wasn't pregnant and the baby wasn't hers but actually her daughters. NOT that her daughter was pregnant NOW.

And AU I bet it's only a "parental mistake" to you cause Palin is a Republican but if she wasn't you'd be saying "Shit happens". Hypocrite!

what else do you expect them to do?

GIMME

BS. Palin wasn't up to the task of balancing motherhood with being a politician.

This is just to much fun for A "Labor Day".
I just love it when any Republican gets caught with their pants down, but in this case with their panties down.

I said from day one, after reading McCain picked her as his VP, I thought Sarah Palin should have been spending her time at home raising her five kids (the last child a special needs infant) -- rather than running around as Alaska's "Political Queen."

Oftentimes teenage girls have gotten pregnant as a cry for attention they didn't feel they were getting at home. If Sarah Palin had her baby last June, then her now 5-months pregnant daughter had gotten pregnant when her own mother was 7 months pregnant. Did the daughter ever get any attention from her mother? Was her mama ever home long enough to listen to any of her daughter's concerns, even get to know the boys her daughter was dating?

Sarah Palin is selfish and self-centered. She chose to have five kids and she was fortunate in that she has a husbsand who could support them all while she stayed home and raised their children. But apparently Palin likes being in the limelight a little too much.

There's no excuse why she needed to hold political office all over Alaska as she's done since her all five of her kids were very young. Sarah Palin wasn't a single mom or in a household where both parents needed to hold down jobs to put food on the table. She is needed at home, she has five children to raise. Now with her 5th child being special needs infant, she's needed at home more than ever -- not running all over the country campaigning to be VP of the USA.

When you choose to have five children, then you owe it to your children to give them (and your marriage) all of your time -- not spend at least 1/3rd of each day in political office.

Maybe if Sarah Palin had been home a little more often when her now-pregnant 17 year old daughter needed a mother to talk to....?

"BS. Palin wasn't up to the task of balancing motherhood with being a politician." AMERICANUNITY

Funny AU if she was a Dem you'd be defending her admit it.

You other folks making it sound like it's a crime not to use birth control where's the CHOICE? I myself have nothing against preventive birth control but I respect a person's right not to use it if they're willing to deal with the consequences which it appears the Palins' are. If I'm getting this right choice is "good" only if it agrees with YOUR choice? Hypocrites!

Yeah Chris damn those women libbers who think they can balance motherhood and work! The nerve to think they have the right! [satire y'all]

So now you're a closet Neocon and bible thumper Chris?

what else do you expect them to do?

#42 | Posted by mariachi at 2008-09-01 02:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Like I said on the other thread, apparently, according to the left, she was supposed to set her daughter on fire or something.

Let's go down the checklist of things decent parents do when one of life's unfortunate little incidents comes up.

Loving their child, no matter what happened? Check

Not throwing her out on her ass? Check

Encouraging the father to own up? Check

Being outraged that pompous assholes are invading her daughter's privacy? Check

Being adult enough to own up to the facts? Check

Seems like, once more, Palin is doing the RIGHT THING here. Frankly, I am not seeing the hypocrisy everyone keeps accusing her of. She encouraged her daughter not to have premarital sex. The daughter didn't listen.. as kids are periodically wont not to do.. and the daughter got pregnant. As their family, retardedly, believes that all sex is only for procreation.. well.. I don't see the contradiction here. I see how an idiot mentality made what woulda just been premarital sex a pregnancy.. but I don't see Palin doing anything wrong in the aftermath of what happened. She has her standpoint on things, and, regardless of how we thinks she should raise her family, or how she thinks we should raise ours: it's nobodys damned business but the persons involved! It's all well and good to point out that she, PERSONALLY, doesn't like birth control, but last I checked she didn't raise a finger to try to make it illegal, ever.

I do, however, see the Left acting like the flying monkey right about this. If this is any of our business, then so was where Clinton deposited his semen.

Did Grandpa McCain know about Bristol's Indiscretion before he chose the Hockey mom?

His staff says he did. I guess he just wanted to cover it up. Of course, when Mommy tells her little girl daddy isn't much of a man anymore, anything can happen...

Is there anything, anything at all, that the right can't swallow whole, regurgitate, chew up and feed to themselves again as something more wholesome to that imaginary America that they all inhabit?

Did Grandpa McCain know about Bristol's Indiscretion before he chose the Hockey mom?

I'd guarentee the answer is NO

I hate this situation.. its not uncommon these days, but its not good.. .. It is interesting how the supposedly caring liberals are all set to pile on and condemn everyone involved, but somehow the Clinton and Kennedy escapades are excused. Double standards anyone?

I wish my fellow Dems would stop frothing over this story. She is a 17 year old child having a child. Let's leave this kid's judgement and the personal judgement of Sarah Palin in this situation alone. I think by Dems continously harping on it and making it personal will only cause a back lash. It will only help the Repubs by making people feel sympathy for this kid and her mother - whether it's deserved or not.

The real point of this, and what everyone should be focusing on is that Sarah Palin clearly was not vetted by the McCain camp. That in itself should speak volumes about McCain's judgement.

Does anyone else besides me think something is very odd here?

Wouldn't McCain picking a female VP with all the proper conservative creditials he needed to grab the evangelical vote (who previously were not in McCain's camp) but now due to "unfortunate circumstances" he has to drop her name from the ticket still prove very advantageous to him? Could that have been the motive all along?

McCain can now boast - "See, I'm all for the strict evangelicals' conservative values and I even picked one to be my VP" knowing all along she would have to be dropped from the ticket.

Was McCain's pick of Sarah Palin as his VP merely a temporary "smoke and mirrors" trick to move the evangelical far right voters solidly into his corner (a group previously not thrilled with McCain) and when she possibly is removed from the ticket McCain can move on to picking his REAL choice for VP?

I feel sorry for the girl. entering a marriage at 17 is a recipe for disaster.

"You're one of the dumbest fucks on this site, an equal to Danni."

Huh?

Danni can whup both your asses!

Agree with #53.

Piling on this kid, who must feel awful, considering her family background, is mean, wrong, and counterproductive.

It's something the GOP would have done had, say, Chelsea, gotten pregnant.

Let's be better people.

I don't see anybody piling on "this kid".

The issue, as so often, is hypocrisy about sex.

Good point #57. The right would have been slobbering over every detail they could discover or invent. They know that, America knows that. The Sexual Harasser and He Who Visits The Dominican Republic With Somebody Else's Viagra would have been positively nauseating with their holier-than-thou acts.

first the hurricane stealing uncle dick and the boy blunder's thunder. now this.

it's called karma and she can be a bitch.

GIMME

Birth control is one of THE very best and most effective abortion preventives there is.

Palin can't have it both ways.

"The right would have been slobbering over every detail they could discover or invent. They know that, America knows that."

And now America knows the left is just as hypocritical as the right they mockingly scorn.

I love how all of the usual suspects bash Palin's lack-of parenting.

None of you even has a clue as to how involved, or uninvolved, Sarah Palin is in regards to rearing her children.

Fortunately, she appears to have a loving and supportive husband.

What I find so funny about this is that the left is all of a sudden so opposed to working moms - which is a cause that lefties normally champion.

Hopefully these types of criticisms won't be limited to the blogosphere. Hopefully, we'll see some 527's, or even better, some prominent Democrat make this type of accusation.

Norm,

The repeatedly proven failure of abstinance only education is a major reason why I have no interest in supporting a Republican candidate.
This isn't about Palin's daughter, it's about Palin's judgement.

FACT: Since sex education was implemented in the public school system, teen pregnancy rates have skyrocketed.

Don't take that as a support for abstinence-only sex ed.

Gimme --

Yeah Chris damn those women libbers who think they can balance motherhood and work! The nerve to think they have the right! [satire y'all]

So now you're a closet Neocon and bible thumper Chris?

#47 | Posted by Gimme_a_Scotch at 2008-09-01 02:31

FIVE kids, Gimme, she chose to have FIVE kids.
She didn't have to work. She didn't choose to have just one or two children and her career but FIVE kids. That many children are hard enough to balance and give each one individual care they would need when you're not working let alone choose to be a full time politician which often requires even more of your time than an 8 hour workday. How dumb are you that you can't see working full time outside the home when you have FIVE kids that at least one or more of your children are going to be shortchanged for needed quality time with their mother. duh.

And never call me a "Neocon" -- that's a cuss word in my book.

Jeffj- I think the "palins daughter was pregant, not sarah" story is bullshit. And beneath reporting.

However...a VP's 17 y/o daughter getting pregnant and married IS a story.

To anyone...

I googled 'Palin supports abstinence only sex ed' and came up with zilch.

Some are making the claim that she supports abstinence only sex ed.

Can someone provide a link for this?

FACT: Since sex education was implemented in the public school system, teen pregnancy rates have skyrocketed.

FACT: Abstinence only pregnancy rates are even worse. Yes, I know you believe(as I do) that BOTH should be taught together, but I wanted to get that fact out there too.

What I find so funny about this... - JeffJ

I doubt that you find any of it "funny".

"What I find so funny about this is that the left is all of a sudden so opposed to working moms "

Do you also find it funny that the right suddenly doesn't care about out-of-wedlock pregnancy?

"Since sex education was implemented in the public school system, teen pregnancy rates have skyrocketed."

Correlation is not causation. One could just as easily blame abstinence education, especially if it comes with misinformation:

"A report last week by Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., found 11 of the 13 most widely used programs contain misinformation. He said they underestimate the effectiveness of condoms in preventing pregnancy and the spread of disease, exaggerate the prevalence of emotional and physical distress following abortion, blur science and religion or get fundamental scientific facts wrong."

www.usatoday.com

Let's first tell them the truth, then decide the value of the information.

Jeffj- Palin is a member of "femisinsts for life" that group opposes contraceptives even for married folk.

Also is against abortion even in cases of rape and incest.

FFL classifies some 40% of BC methods as abortion!

Love your conspiracy theory at #54, Chris. All too convoluted for me, I'm afraid.

Could McCain be that devious? He's a terrific actor if he isn't the impulsive loose cannon that he appears to be.

Is America that into Oprah and Doctor Phil where they'd form a collective lovefest about the redeeming qualities of forgiveness? Well, there is Born-Again-Bush who renounced alcohol and probably cocaine at forty years old or thereabouts. So, maybe.

FIVE kids, Gimme, she chose to have FIVE kids.

with a husband who sounds like a wuss.

Jeff

firstread.msnbc.msn.com

Newsworthy flag for danforth.

Well Chris your posts in this thread scream "Neocon". Live with it.

it's tougher in alaska.

love how all of the usual suspects bash Palin's lack-of parenting.

There are 24 hours in a day.
Palin chose to spend more than 8 of those hours as a politician running all over the place -- including out of town trips to Texas for an energy conference and who knows where else she went.

You tell me how much of her time should have been spent being a parent instead of a politician.
Evidently you'd have no problem if your wife had five children and then chose to leave them with no parent around ('cause you worked too remember?) while she ran around as a full time politician? Apparently when it comes to being a good Mom and sticking around to be there to raise your children the far right on here is way more liberal. So much for all those "family values" lol.

As bad as it would be to dump her at this point, I wonder what the odds are in Vegas.

And in case anyone forgot this story from last year:

www.msnbc.msn.com

The study found that while abstinence-only efforts appear to have little positive impact, more comprehensive sex education programs were having "positive outcomes" including teenagers "delaying the initiation of sex, reducing the frequency of sex, reducing the number of sexual partners and increasing condom or contraceptive use."

The study, conducted by Douglas Kirby, a senior research scientist at ETR Associates, also sought to debunk what the report called "myths propagated by abstinence-only advocates" including: that comprehensive sex education promotes promiscuity, hastens the initiative of sex or increases its frequency, and sends a confusing message to adolescents.

None of these was found to be accurate, Kirby wrote.

www.rhrealitycheck.org

There are no bad children, just bad parents.

Barack Obama on Palin: "Back off these kinds of stories."

"I have said before and I will repeat again: People's families are off limits," Obama said. "And people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. So I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18 and how a family deals with issues and teenage children, that shouldnt be a topic of our politics."

Michelle, ma belle.
Sont les mots qui vont trs bien ensemble,
Trs bien ensemble.

Is it time to break out the "whitey" video's, yet???

Well Chris your posts in this thread scream "Neocon". Live with it.

- Posted by GimmeHadTooMuchScotch

What do the Neocons' quest for non-stop war and world domination have to do with any opinions concerning Sarah Palin's personal and parental judgment? Huh??? Your trying to equate "PNAC" as being in the same category as a Dr. Spock book is ridiculous.

"I love how all of the usual suspects bash Palin's lack-of parenting."

I love how all of the usual suspects are now so understanding that a 17-year old unmarried girl can succumb to her sexual urges even though the Bible says it's a sin. Don't I remember something about babies having babies and how this is a bad thing?

"Since sex education was implemented in the public school system, teen pregnancy rates have skyrocketed."

So wrong.

Each year, almost 750,000 teenage women aged 1519 become pregnant. The teenage pregnancy
rate in this country is at its lowest level in 30 years, down 36% since its peak in 1990. A growing
body of research suggests that both increased abstinence and changes in contraceptive practice
are responsible for recent declines in teenage pregnancy.1
The teenage pregnancy rate among those who ever had intercourse declined 28% between
1990 and 2002.
The teenage birthrate in 2002 was 30% lower than the peak rate of 61.8 births per 1,000
women, reached in 1991.
Between 1988 and 2000, teenage pregnancy rates declined in every state and in the
District of Columbia.

www.guttmacher.org

The macro trend is that sex ed works.

It's only wigged out fundy types like Sarah and her hilariously named Feminists Fer Life group who believe otherwise.

Be Well.

To anyone...

I googled 'Palin supports abstinence only sex ed' and came up with zilch.

Some are making the claim that she supports abstinence only sex ed.

Can someone provide a link for this?

love how all of the usual suspects are now so understanding that a 17-year old unmarried girl can succumb to her sexual urges even though the Bible says it's a sin. Don't I remember something about babies having babies and how this is a bad thing?

#84 | Posted by BlueInBushland at 2008-09-01 03:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

I've ALWAYS been kind and understanding towards it. It's the rest of the Dems who have suddenly flipflopped their position when the mother involved has an R after her name.

Course, you didn't accuse me of anything personally, but you get what I'm saying.

And I had to sit there and honestly think a while about whether to type "The rest of the Dems". I'm still not sure if I support Democrats anymore after this childish crap. We're supposed to be BETTER then the Republicans; not exactly the same.

Is it time to break out the "whitey" video's, yet???

~Former John

The Vids the right sed they'd produce way back when and then didn't?

The non-existant ones?

Those "'Whitey' videos"?

Yeah, shithead, it's past time, in fact.

Put up or shut up, Fucktard John.

Ya got 24 hours to produce sed vid or Spud'll go ahead use this incident agin you in future blog-fests.

Forewarned, forearmed.

Be Well.

Jeffj- I told you were the story came from.

Farmer john- Looks like Obama has class, and you("where's the whitey tape?") DON'T.

Jeff- From NBC's Katie Primm and Mark Murray
By way, as has been pointed out, Palin backed abstinence-only education during her 2006 gubernatorial race. In an Eagle Forum Alaska questionnaire, Palin gave this response to the following question:

Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?

Palin: Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support.

firstread.msnbc.msn.com

To anyone...

I googled 'Palin supports abstinence only sex ed' and came up with zilch.
Some are making the claim that she supports abstinence only sex ed.
Can someone provide a link for this?

firstread.msnbc.msn.com

...bravo that Obama stands against this childish behaviour. That looks like the first move I've ever seen him make that wasn't calculated to increase his own personal power.

Though I suppose some rightie could use the fact that Obama's own mother was also preggers at 17 as a very apt rebuttal, and he might have decided that the best way to protect his own ass is to say this, and doesn't give a rat's ass about his opponent at all.

I'm preferring to think it's the former, that for once in his life, Obama is doing something HONORABLE by his opponents.

I googled 'Palin supports abstinence only sex ed' and came up with zilch.

That's because you added too many basic words. try "Palin abstinence" and see what comes up.

I'm preferring to think it's the former, that for once in his life, Obama is doing something HONORABLE by his opponents.

#92 | Posted by soheifox at 2008-09-01 03:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Right. Like all the times he praised McCain fo his service? Obama has been fairly consistant in telling people to back off of slimy stories.

From Zap's link:

Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?

Palin: Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support.


Included within the definition of explicit sex-education programs is the distribution of contraceptives in school.

She was given a yes-or-no question - I would like a more full explantion of her position on this. Guess it's time to go back to what I do worst - google search.

I googled 'Palin supports abstinence only sex ed' and came up with zilch.

That's because you added too many basic words. try "Palin abstinence" and see what comes up.

Dumping the quotation marks works as well.

Guess it's time to go back to what I do worst - google search.

Give it 24 hours you'll have plenty to draw from..

This happens all over America.

Wrong order of things--but yeah--so she has another point to relate to middle class over Biden.

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Maybe if Sarah Palin had been home a little more often when her now-pregnant 17 year old daughter needed a mother to talk to....?

#45 | Posted by CalifChris at 2008-09-01 02:25 PM

Do you realize how really goofy this sounds?

Whoopi Goldberg--who was a teenage mother herself- talked all the time with her daughter. Told her over and over--we can go for birth control if you think you are going to have sex. Don't do what I did. I didn't know better. You do--we can have protection.

Guess What Happened? She got pregnant.
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I am glad they are going to get married. It will be hard even with the support.

But it is infinitely better than Obama's "punishment" if one of his daughters gets pregnant. He would abort his own grandchild.

I went to the feminists for life website but the links aren't working (at the moment).

To anyone...

I googled 'Palin supports abstinence only sex ed' and came up with zilch.

Some are making the claim that she supports abstinence only sex ed.

Can someone provide a link for this?

#66 | Posted by JeffJ

Sorry about the weird spacing. Original is a PDF.

Page 81 of The Republican Party Platform for 2004.

"Each year more than three million American teenagers contract sexually
transmitted diseases, causing emotional harm and serious health consequences, even
death. We support efforts to educate teens and parents about the health risks associated
with early sexual activity and provide the tools needed to help teens make healthy
choices. Abstinence from sexual activity is the only protection that is 100 percent effective against out-of-wedlock pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases, including
sexually transmitted HIV/AIDS. Therefore, we support doubling abstinence education
funding.
"

Maybe their 2008 platform has reversed this but I doubt it. Sarah Palin, as the VP Designate of the Republican Party, therefore supports it.

Eagle Forum Alaska

eagleforumalaska.blogspot.com

"11. Are you offended by the phrase Under God-- in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?
JB: No.
SP: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and Ill fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance."

The Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892

You all are talking about abstinence and birth control.

Did any of you ever consider the possibility Palin's 17 year old daughter got pregnant
on purpose as a way of getting some much needed attention from her rarely at home Mother? Wouldn't be the first time that's happened in a family.

I don't believe in the schools having any say so or involvement with my kids and giving them birth control.

This is the explicit sex-education programs in our schools today.

Not only that but the school will arrange a girl to get an abortion without the parents knowing.

Zap,

I didn't use quotes when I googled.

I put what I googled in quotes HERE - but not on google itself.

CC--shut up--(with all due respect) you know nothing about this issue or this family.

You are all over the place.

In Wasilla, Pregnancy Was No Secret
The fact is, regardless of what you will hear over the next few days, Bristol's pregnancy is not a legitimate political issue. Sarah Palin is a longterm member of a group called Feminists for Life, which is not opposed to birth control. So you probably can't tag her for consigning young people to unwanted pregnancies.
www.time.com

Obama at least appears to have some class....

"I have said before and I will repeat again: People's families are off limits," Obama said. "And people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. So I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18 and how a family deals with issues and teenage children, that shouldnt be a topic of our politics."
www.politico.com


I don't believe in the schools having any say so or involvement with my kids and giving them birth control.

This is the explicit sex-education programs in our schools today.

Not only that but the school will arrange a girl to get an abortion without the parents knowing.

#104 | Posted by MURPHY

And if you oppose anything contained within the broad spectrum of 'comprehensive sex education', you oppose the whole thing.

I have mixed feelings about school clinics.
Distributing contraceptives in school is lunacy.
Mandated non-parental consent for an abortion is criminal.

CC--shut up--(with all due respect) you know nothing about this issue or this family.

And you, Murphy, have WRITTEN "OBAMA WOULD ABORT HIS OWN GRANDCHILD"

I don't think you can tell anybody to "shut up" with or without "respect".

I didn't use quotes when I googled.

I put what I googled in quotes HERE - but not on google itself.

Strange Jeff I took your quote without quotation marks and got it. I did start with only "Palin abstinence" within quotes.

We knew that it reflected poorly on McCain choosing such an unqualified VP. But to have also unchosen an unvetted VP as well makes it all the more horrifying a choice. I can't believe it. Stranger than fiction.

My wife and son were discussing this pregnancy earlier this morning. It gave me a chuckle. My wife is a Catholic and adamantly pro-life. She called the pregnancy, "a blessing". My son replied, "For the Democrats."

"Not only do we have a woman with five children, including an infant with special needs, but a woman whose 17-year-old child will need her even more in the coming months. Not to mention the grandchild. This would inevitably be an enormous distraction for a new vice president (or president) in a time of global turmoil"

Spot on!

newsweek.washingtonpost.com

Obama at least appears to have some class....

That none of his minion's at the Drudge & Snort share...

Murph,

But it is infinitely better than Obama's "punishment" if one of his daughters gets pregnant. He would abort his own grandchild.

#99 | Posted by MURPHY

You don't know that. Obama is rabidly pro-choice, that doesn't mean he would try to force an abortion if one of his daughters got pregnant. I suspect he'd react like any parent would and I believe he would be supportive if his daughter in this hypothetical decided not to have an abortion.

Blue,

Therefore, we support doubling abstinence education
funding."

Which is NOT the same thing as abstinence-only education.

But it is infinitely better than Obama's "punishment" if one of his daughters gets pregnant. He would abort his own grandchild.

~sMurphette.

You got a citation there, Murphy, or are you just pulling talkin' points from yer ass this afternoon?

Thought so.

Be Well.

Zap,

Perhaps I just didn't see it.

I didn't scan past the first page of links.

I find it amazing that conservative get their ANKLES UP in the air when liberals express an opinion.

Chris Please keep expressing yourself.

Help the overly sensitive uptight right get over themselves.

Kudos to Obama for denouncing the mud-slinging and prying into Palin's family life.

Nulli: Why does Ray have such a hard on for you? I mean I have never taken him seriously or anything, but why his sudden desire to follow you around? Kind of creepy.

FJ: if the "minions" of the DR upset you so much, I have a solution. Go away. No one will miss you. Least of all, we "minions".

Zap,

It was about denouncing the opinion for the absurdity that it was.

CChris is making all sorts of assertions and judgement about this woman's family life and she has no idea as to what she's talking about.

Kudos to Obama for denouncing the mud-slinging and prying into Palin's family life.
~Jeff

Jeff who do you think Vetted Palin?

I doubt this pregnancy was a surprise. So is this all smoke & mirrors for a less than enthusiastic convention?

CChris is making all sorts of assertions and judgement about this woman's family life and she has no idea as to what she's talking about.

LOL, Sorry your point?

Here is you citation--

michellemalkin.com

and another

www.lifenews.com

Well-- what the heck--pick one out of 744,000 hits..

search.yahoo.com

And in reference to his daughters..

"Compounding one poor decision by taking the life of the result is, in the Palin family's opinion, apparently a case of two wrongs not making a right.

Why not be supportive of their taking ownership of the situation and deciding to carry the child to term? While a child having a child can encounter many hurdles, there are also a multitude of blessings dervived from the situation."

#94 | Posted by OohRah

Couldn't agree more.

I have two other positions on this. One you may agree with, the other you probably won't.

Wouldn't it be better to not devote your efforts to preventing sex education in schools and to acknowledge reality and encourage the use of condoms rather than other forms of birth control when your sons and daughters are experiencing the same sexual urges that you did when you were their age?

Good for the Palins for taking the child to term. Good too for those who support a woman's right to make the decision rather than to risk death and mutilation if she makes a decision that one core constituency of the Republican party has the arrogance to say is wrong for her.

FJ: if the "minions" of the DR upset you so much, I have a solution. Go away. No one will miss you. Least of all, we "minions".

But then the minions would all be spared that essential "diversity" of opinions and viewpoints that all Lefties claim to cherish. Mine is a voice of "dissent" that laughs and at the same time screams "Vanitas vanitatum, omnia vanitas"...

CC--shut up--(with all due respect) you know nothing about this issue or this family.

You are all over the place.

-- Murphy

And you do? At least I'm looking realistically at the personal issues (choosing to have 5 kids but to satisfy her ego has run for political office since they were babies and is never at home) and how that possibly reflects on Palin's overall judgment.

Unlike you, I'm not some Rush dittohead, koolaid drinking, political party hack who would never think of evaluating anyone's judgment (even though they are seeking the second highest office in our nation) as long as it doesn't jeopardize your boy Bush and any successor Republicans from being able to keep the White House. Thank God I'm able to put what might be best for my country above any political party and analyze impartially the ability of each candidate now seeking to hold office and lead our country. Try doing it yourself sometime.

"Vanitas vanitatum, omnia vanitas"...

Especially when you look in the mirror, I expect, FarmerJohn

Nulli: Why does Ray have such a hard on for you? I mean I have never taken him seriously or anything, but why his sudden desire to follow you around? Kind of creepy. - Moder8

It's no "sudden" desire. Those two have been needling each other forever on DR. Each one gets the other one all fired up and they sling retorts back and forth for hours. Keeps their brain cells stimulated. And they both like it -- no matter how much each one complains about the other. lol

CC--sorry for posting shut up. If you would have seen me say it--you would have laughed..;o)

But you don't know this family's schedule--how there are two parents taking turns with the kids.

You have to know that being a city councilperson is part time. They ran their own business and she probably worked from home with the hubby out in the boat.

Mayor of a small town--again--not an 80 hour a week job. Likely not even 40. How do you know she is never at home? You don't.

During Governor--the kids are all in school.

I guess you would be ok if she just said this was all an incovenience and aborted the latest baby?

And your assertions about the daughter are crazy. You are putting out innuendo and gossip.

Her judgment is pro-life--that is her judgment and she walks the walk.

Is the order wrong for marriage and baby--yeah! But shit happens in life.

Whoopi did the same thing as a teenager--and she talked with her daughter--who did the same thing.

You wouldn't be saying this if Sarah were a man.

But it is infinitely better than Obama's "punishment" if one of his daughters gets pregnant. He would abort his own grandchild.

~Murphy.

Thanks fer the cite.

The exchange appeared to be prompted by Obamas earlier comments that he does not favor abstinence-only education, but rather comprehensive sexual education that includes information on abstinence and birth control.

Look, I got two daughters 9 years old and 6 years old,-- he said. I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I dont want them punished with a baby. I dont want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesnt make sense to not give them information.--


Nowhere in there does it say that Obama would "abort his own grandchild".

You made it sound like Obama sed he was gonna punish his kids if they became pregnant as teenagers by forcing them to get abortions and that is obviously not the case.

How can any sane person in this day and age not see the sense of the positions that Obama takes here?

Values and morals? Yes, but also proper education.

Abstinance only education does not decrease teen sexual activity but it does make teens more liable to experiment with oral and anal sex as alternatives to regular sex.

"A moral victory" cries the Right.

Spud just laffs.

Be Well.

Your #115 is right, Jeff. Abstinence, not abstinence only. I wonder how much midnight oil was burned hammering that one out for the platform.

Hey ho. Expecting teenagers to abstain from sex is a little unrealistic, don't you think? Did you? I didn't.

Anecdotally we have all those nasty stories of young girls giving oral and taking it up the butt because "it's not sex". Is that better?

Spud--

Can you read the quote?
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Look, I got two daughters 9 years old and 6 years old,-- he said. I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I dont want them punished with a baby..
______________

He doesn't want them punished with a baby. The baby is punishment. So if the morals don't work and they get pregnant he would be ok with aborting the punishment of having his grandchild.

You do see that--right?

So is this all smoke & mirrors for a less than enthusiastic convention?

I don't think it's smoke and mirrors, but I DO think that the hype generated by this pick was viewed as a bonus when looking at all of the VP hopefuls.

She brings a lot to the ticket:

She's hot.
She was an athlete and earned the nickname "Barracuda" for her tenacity and competitiveness.
She hunts and fishes.
She not only espouses but 'lives' traditional family values.
She handles herself well in front of a camera.

On the experience side:

She ousted and established Republican for the gov. primary and then defeated the incumbent.

She immediately went after waste and corruption and did so with success.

She rebuffed big oil in her state when they were confident she'd do their bidding.

An unresolved investigation notwithstanding, she clearly challenged the establishment, works to a high ethical standard, and has a proven track record of governance (smaller, less wasteful government) in accordance with her ideals.

She enjoys an 80+% approval rating.

Her entire package strongly appeals to your average American.

Having said all of that, she's a risky pick. She doesn't have much in the way of experience and her strong religious beliefs are a turn-off for some. By picking Palin, McCain is trying to accomplish 3 things:

1. Inject some youth and excitement into his campaign.

2. Trying to enthuse the conservative base by picking someone with strong conservative credentials.

3. Vying for the female vote, in particular, disguntled Hillary voters.

He's staked much more of his campaign success on the shoulders of his veep pick than is usual. If she doesn't perform well, he sinks his candidacy.

Distributing contraceptives in school is lunacy.

Lunacy is believing that keeping contraceptives from kids will keep them from having sex, and that giving kids condoms makes them have sex.

Teens will have sex, no matter what we do. And it's in our best interests to prevent as many teen pregnancies as possible, and therefore prevent as many abortions as possible.

Sorry, but I see keeping condoms out of schools as doing nothing but increasing the number of abortions, and it amazes me that the Right continues to support this.

Abstinence is 100%, but unrealistic.

Birth control is necessary.

"Distributing contraceptives in school is lunacy."

you sir are a complete moron

#135 | Posted by JeffJ at 2008-09-01 04:36 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Norm,

The reason I oppose handing out condoms in school is because it encourages teens to have sex.

IMO - sex education should be comprehensive, but should also have a bit of a moralistic judgement against teens having sex. Just because they have sex, doesn't mean society should be condoning, no, encouraging said behavior.

Why don't schools just hand out free beer?

Please explain how my assessment is wrong, Doc?

Jeff when you have to take your son to the clinic we will all have a good laugh. Then maybe you will have wished he had better access to condoms.

I posted this on Cons heart Palin--trying to be in the middle--

Sarah has a different kind of experience and if she were a male--would likely not have been picked by McCain.

The same I am sure was argued for Tim Kaine for Obama--he was on the short list and with slightly less experience than Palin. But Obama wanted someone to deflect the inexperience bombs and with Biden he chose someone who fills that bill.

Are there other problems with Biden?--Yes, but I digress.

With Palin she walks the walk of a reformer, which is what McCain used to be and wants to remain.

Sarah has core values that middle class folks will relate to. I don't think she will be the same WA crap that we see with WA. I don't think she will agree on McCain down the laundry list either.

Sarah may be very "to the right" on abortion--but did anyone think McCain wasn't going to pick SCOTUS like Roberts? Her comments on Intelligent Design has the libs flummoxed as well. She thinks global warming is occurring but it is not caused by man.

So McCain throws a Hail Mary. His pick is part reformer and part political. It has excited the base to the nth degree.

And it could fail--no doubt about it. Sarah could turn out to be a flake. (I doubt it but the libs are hoping for that)

But when folks see the Hail Mary go up and see it completed in the end zone--It's a beautiful thing.

There are two months and everyone wants to hear from Sarah--whether you agree with her or not--folks want to hear from her.

This is a historical election--something I am sure we all can agree on. Either a black man or a woman will be in the WH come November. It doesn't get any better than this.

Jeff when you have to take your son to the clinic we will all have a good laugh. Then maybe you will have wished he had better access to condoms.

Condoms are widely accessible now.

We don't need to hand them out for free at school - given the message that such an action sends.

Obama this afternoon:

I have heard some of the news on this and so let me be as clear as possible: I have said before and I will repeat again, I think peoples families are off limits, and peoples children are especially off limits. This shouldnt be part of our politics,-- the Democrat said forcefully. It has no relevance to Governor Palins performance as governor, or her potential performance as a VP. And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories,--

In any sane society that would be the end of accusations against Obama for exploiting this. In the blogosphere where Michelle Malkin can be appealed to as an authority....not so much, wouldn't you agree, Murphy.

Murphy

No problem with telling me to "shut up" in the heat of battle.
I've been told to do way worse than that on DR. LOL

you wrote --

Her judgment is pro-life--that is her judgment and she walks the walk... guess you would be ok if she just said this was all an incovenience and aborted the latest baby?

No, I don't agree with abortion although I go along with a woman's right to choose (in the first 3 months). It's not my business to tell anyone else what to do in such a personal situation. However, I feel that once you decide to have the child you should put your child's best welfare above all else. And that includes weighing the ability to balance being a good parent to all five of your kids while also holding political office. Even if you're only some part time city councilwoman you put in many hours. There are many times a city councilperson is called upon to show up for city publicity events, etc. putting in many more hours than just attending a weekly city council meeting.

And why would a woman who just gave birth to a special needs infant even consider taking on the enormous amount of hours involved in being a good VP? My God, it's the second highest office in our nation and needs someone who can give the office his/her undivided attention -- not something easily done with five kids at home. It's not like her spouse doesn't work full time and is able to be at home full time with their kids. Does Palin ever take anything into consideration? I'm beginnning to wonder. In her mind is it what's best for our country or what she thinks is best for Sarah Palin? I'm beginning to think it's the latter.

Murphy's got a point regarding Obama referring to a pregnancy as a 'punishment'.

Also, what kind of warped, fucked-up thinking is that anyway?

A punishment?

Pregnancy is a natural occurrence when intercourse occurs during the right period of the female cycle.

"She's hot".

What are you, 14? 14-year olds can't vote although the results you get sometimes make you wonder whether some of them slipped past the safeguards.

CChris,

Your 452 post was solid.

Read it and then read what you posted earlier - the contrast should be evident.

Listen what the almighty Obamessiah has to say, stonecasters! LOL!

Condoms are widely accessible now.

We don't need to hand them out for free at school - given the message that such an action sends.

#144 | Posted by JeffJ

The difference is that condoms are FREE at school so kids will use them.

Condoms cost money which most kids don't always have

Please explain how my assessment is wrong, Doc?
#141 | Posted by JeffJ at 2008-09-01 04:45 PM | Reply |

If you don't already get it, that Sarah Palin is an empty suit of such woefully inadequate caliber to be vice president that she's taken the Dan Quayle Prize for becoming a laughingstock, I don't think there's much point in me attepting to do so.

But you might start with her belief---expressed to a friendly outlet, after pondering a written question, and given plenty of time to formulate a written response---that the Pledge of Allegiance was written by the Founding Fathers.

That's not a gaffe.

That's stoopidity.

"Pregnancy is a natural occurrence when intercourse occurs during the right period of the female cycle."

Really, I didn't know that.

Is it an unnatural occurrence when it occurs during the left period of the female cycle?


"She's hot".

What are you, 14? 14-year olds can't vote although the results you get sometimes make you wonder whether some of them slipped past the safeguards.

#148 | Posted by BlueInBushland

What are you - ignorant of the realities of the political process?

You should know full well by now that style does indeed count in American politics - you should be acutely aware of it as your candidate is mostly style and little of substance.

The difference is that condoms are FREE at school so kids will use them.

Condoms cost money which most kids don't always have

That's a fair point and admittedly a negative tradeoff to my position on this.

Good grief Blue--there are 744,000 hits on Obama's position on abortion and punishment. Not just Malkin.

Because he brought his daughters into the mix is even more alarming.

But his position on having a baby is punishment and not a blessing. That is telling.

_____________

Passing out condoms in schools is stupid. It is like allowing kids to smoke in school.

"They are doing it anyway--may as well let them do it here".

___________

That is how they are helping minors get abortions with the schools help and not telling the parents.

___________

And apparently McCain knew about the daughter's plans and went with her anyway.

___________

Obama gets kudos for his comments--but that won't stop what is going on in the internet, left newspapers and just can't wait to see how Overbite digs into this--or Chris Matthews.

With Palin she walks the walk of a reformer,

Except she's a big supporter of Ted Stevens and pork $$ and she doesn't hesitate to use her office to fire people who won't serve her personal agenda..
And she left Walrusilla 20 million in debt.

So she's basically Bush in a skirt. (and 101 just got a woodie).

But keep believing that being the closest state to Russia is even more experience than looking Pootie Poot Poot in the eye.

Ah-oh...

The Drudge Retort crew have just gotten word that Sarah Palin was selected to be John McCain's VP nominee...

and that she's....gasp!... a conservative!

And if this is no big deal-why did McSame cover it up?

Doc,

That's no more 'stoopid' than saying the US has 57 states.

that Sarah Palin is an empty suit of such woefully inadequate caliber to be vice president that she's taken the Dan Quayle Prize for becoming a laughingstock, I don't think there's much point in me attepting to do so.

I fully agree that she lacks experience. Whilst I feel she had performed very well as governor, her tenure is very short. Her lack of experience is a very valid criticism and it certainly is a drawback for her as a veep candidate.

That being said, it doesn't mean that the positives that I've listed don't exist.

The difference is that condoms are FREE at school so kids will use them.
Condoms cost money which most kids don't always have

That's a fair point and admittedly a negative tradeoff to my position on this.

Please, Jeff I know your more than a few years younger than I am.

Yet you want to make a point that kids won't have sex without a condom because they cost?

Jeff I ask in all candor when you were a teen if you were dating a girl that denied you sex witout because of a lack of protection, to what lenghs would you have gone to get what was needed?

NG3--there was no cover up--everyone in town knew about the daughter and McCain knew about it --conversed with his circle and still went with her.

In case you don't know--It is really really hard to cover up a pregnancy..

_________

Thanks for the 452 post CC--

You have a point with her not tied to the ball and chain and kids. She must be so selfish--Even though She does have a husband to help.

I guess that will be some of the questions she will answer in her many interviews to come.

""What is your schedule and what is your secret??""

I want to know--because I could use the tips in my life!

Umm, don't look now--but wasn't Barack's mom an unmarried 17 year-old when HE was conceived? And wasn't his father a married 24-year-old at the time, a student from Kenya?

I mean--is this really an issue you libs want to get into, as to whether or not Bristol is being terribly irresponsible to bring this new life into the world?

"What are you - ignorant of the realities of the political process?

You should know full well by now that style does indeed count in American politics"

Yes, but there are limits. Style with substance is powerful. Style without it has a short shelf life. Almost certainly less than 66 days or so.

Yet you want to make a point that kids won't have sex without a condom because they cost?

That wasn't my point, it was Rastaninja's and I thought it was fair.

Jeff I ask in all candor when you were a teen if you were dating a girl that denied you sex witout because of a lack of protection, to what lenghs would you have gone to get what was needed?

That's one scenario. What about a scenario where the girl doesn't give a shit if the guy has a condom or not? The onus is then on him and what if he thinks he can pull-out on time, and thus prefers non-condom sex because it feels a bit better?

Rasta raised a decent point, as much as it pains me to admit it.

Yes, but there are limits. Style with substance is powerful. Style without it has a short shelf life. Almost certainly less than 66 days or so.

She's going to have to perform very well over the next 2 months, especially with a media who will likely have it in for her.

I hope she's up to the task.

RiR

Take it up with Barack's grandmother.

Except she's a big supporter of Ted Stevens and pork $$ and she doesn't hesitate to use her office to fire people who won't serve her personal agenda..
And she left Walrusilla 20 million in debt.
per NG3--

She is not a supporter of Ted--she wanted help with infrastruture but in the end turned it down.

The brother in law is a trooper and abusive to the step son (Palin's nephew).

He actually tazered the 11 year old and fired a gun and drunk--look it up.

Palin wanted the Monegan guy to fire him or suspend him or arrest him--and hurry up the investigation. There were apparently 24 times either she or her husband or other staff called or emailed Monegan. Monegan said best not to contact him--it was not proper and they would hurry the investigation. Palin agreed not to contact any more.

Monegan apparently can't do too many things right--they had trooper positions to fill, which he would not do.

Palin fired him. It looks like there was 5 months time in between.

MURPHY

Before that she fired the Wisilla Chief of Police and the town's librarian because they didn't support her in her bid for part time mayor.

Governor Sarah Palin Gives Alaska Department Of Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan The Bum's Rush

On Friday July 11th, 2008, Alaska Governor Sarah Palin abruptly - and I do mean ABRUPTLY - removed Walt Monegan (pictured at left) from his position as Commissioner of the Department of Public Safety. And to add insult to injury, Palin didn't even tell him personally - she dumped the job on her chief of staff. Official explanations continue to be somewhat lame.

alaskapride.blogspot.com

Murphy's facts?

Unlike 80% of the black population, She at least knows who the father is. And she will have the baby and raise it, instead of killing it like the Dems would do.

They did the same thing here in San Diego--what is the point?

They can fire folks. Are you familiar with local politics?
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And the 20 million in debt is still being researched --or was that confirmed?

I would like to know if that 20 million was imposed or voted on by the good citizens of Wasilla through a Bond.

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And what does Obama's grandmother have to do with RiR #163 post AU??

RIR, you're setting up a straw man. The point is not whether Bristol was irresponsible or did anything wrong. I don't think I read anyone saying that. The point is that her mother Sarah supports policies that have been shown time and again to be failures and she's got an example of that in her own family.

It's you who does not want to get into this issue. The only issue that matters here is that the position of McCain/Bush/Palin is wrong and kids are having their lives impacted by the irresponsible position of the Right before they are old enough to fully understand the consequences of their actions.

Governor and staff's latest explanations leave more questions

Governor Palin admitted to possible pressure from her administration to fire former Department of Public Safety Director Walt Monegan. But it's how the Governor and her staff are explaining this latest development, compared to what they've said just last month, that is noteworthy. The taped phone call we all heard Wednesday reveals possible pressure. But when pressed to explain how these latest developments play into what was said in the past, one could be left scratching their head.

www.ktva.com

lol...because, because...WTF!

The only issue that matters here is that the position of McCain/Bush/Palin is wrong and kids are having their lives impacted by the irresponsible position

What position are you ascribing to Palin?

Bani--

My post is the conversation Monegan had with Shuster on MSLSD.

Monegan said he was let go for not filling trooper positions.

The State is investigating.

When you come into office and start cleaning house including those from the Repub side of the aisle, you get enemies.

________

Badeye--go away.

173 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2008-09-01 05:29 PM

Well you know Johnny if the shoe fits then wear it.

There are millions of kids NOT doing sex or BJ's or chocolate factory hunts because the message is out to not do these risky behaviors.

Wait until marriage.

And teenage pregnancies are DOWN.

(I am for birth control).

But these kids having sex--cuts their future opportunities--or greatly delays them when a pregnancy results.

So just go get an abortion--right Johnny?

What happened to choice? Or is abortion really their only choice and to actually have the baby is just plain stoopid?

Shadow Governor?

In the aftermath of the Walt Monegan firing, one question keeps surfacing over and over again; why does the governor's husband, Todd Palin appear to hold so much power?

www.andrewhalcro.com

lots of enemies to clear out?

the smart thing to do is stay single,have the kid wait till obama gets elected and sign up for all the new welfare programs that are sure to come,hell have three or four more kids,the liberals feel your pain and will see that the taxpayers do the right thing.

"WTF is Sarah Palin hiding in her hair?"

Doc:

That's a "hair handle", intended for husbandly, Cro-Magnon-style dragging around the cave while wifey sports a rhapsodic, shit-eating grin at the attention.

It's the Republican thang tuh dew.

P.S.: I for one would not be surprised if both Palin pregnancy stories are true. It would make a certain amount of redneck sense if lil' Bristol got bailed out on a first pregnancy by Momma arranging matters so's the Downs baby appeared to be her own. Since that would have left lil' Bristol having taken absolutely no heat or responsibility for Preggo No. 1, she'd have been set up for Preggo No. 2, which if I'm right, she achieved at almost minimum biological interval. At the very least, Sarah Palin has not been forthcoming with the American electorate with something that should have been handled forthrightly, i.e., "Sarah Palin's oldest daughter, Bristol, is five months pregnant, and plans to be wed in XXXX." No one would have blinked twice at that. Not these days.

"Obama has been fairly consistant in telling people to back off of slimy stories."
#95 | Posted by Alexandrite

But the 0bamanites on the DR have no reason to abide by their candidate's wishes because their ludicrous hatred of a family's support and love for their children regardless of circumstances transcends common decency.

the smart thing to do is stay single,have the kid wait till obama gets elected and sign up for all the new welfare programs that are sure to come,hell have three or four more kids,the liberals feel your pain and will see that the taxpayers do the right thing.

LOL, the righties keep pushing this crap out there about the democrats but never stop to think about their own baby killing attitude. The righties love a women who is prego and hate the women 1 second after the baby is born.

Meanwhile, another finely crafted argument as to Sarah Palin's daughter Juno's fitness for the office of VP breaks out at the www.youtube.com"www.youtube.com/a">Retort

But the 0bamanites on the DR have no reason to abide by their candidate's wishes because their ludicrous hatred of a family's support and love for their children regardless of circumstances transcends common decency.

#181 | Posted by Gimme_a_Scotch

interesting...lies then are always ok under these situations!

I get it!

Whore,

Trig was born on April 18th.

Palin's daugher is 5 months pregnant.

Let's see:

1 month - May 18
2 - June 18
3 - July 18
4 - August 18
5 - September 18

find other things to criticize Palin for. This one is going nowhere.

Ooops. Bad link.

MW,

What most righties oppose is financially incenting women to have as many out-of-wedlock children as possible.

Obama 'First Family' Photos?
From South African Source
5-24-8

www.rense.com

Then JeffJ comes along and spoils the argument with math....

check out bidens kids,i guess getting pregnant is a bigger crime them actuality being a criminal.

Murph,

"There are millions of kids NOT doing sex or BJ's or chocolate factory hunts because the message is out to not do these risky behaviors."

Chocolate factory hunts? Now that wasn't very lady like language...LOL.

Cheney raised a daughter to a Lesbian daughter. Palin has one who will screw the entire football team.

It's part of the Republican in your face VP job description requirements to have a problem child.

What most righties oppose is financially incenting women to have as many out-of-wedlock children as possible.

incenting????

Is it about out of wedlock or is it really about money.

So you are really saying you want to control through YOUR morals and yet don't allow the money to enter the morals.

Sarah Palin's 17 y.o.daughter was pregnant at the time of the announcement that mom was to be VP candidate.
Liberals will like that she's not married but will have the baby and marry the baby's father which will delight conservatives.

Of course the Leftist media will be crying out hypocrite..!
But this common folks predicament for the Palin family is going to endeer Sarah Palin with voters across the political spectrum in my opinion.

It just keeps looking more and more bleak for the Biden/Obama team.

Meanwhile, Democratic activists begin to train the next generation of their field operatives at Saul Alinsky U.

"It just keeps looking more and more bleak for the Biden/Obama team..."

It's so devastating, in fact, I think all the Palin children should start families. Your opinion?

When you add it all up about Palin now having a pregnant out of wedlock teenager in addition to having a down syndrome child in addition to boarding a plane for a 10 hour flight after your water breaks denying your child a potential hospital birth in light of possible birth complications, it sounds to me this like this lady has "Shit for Brains'"

not a rightie at all,if your not gonna support then abort,give free condoms and birth control to all kids over 12 and you can send more money to help the welfare cause anytime you feel the urge.

incenting????

Yes, incenting.

The welfare payments go up when the number of dependants is increased.

The more dependents, the more a mother is needed at home and is thus less able to provide for herself and her family via the job market.

Unintended consequences.

It's similar to drug commercials.

"If you have affliction A, this drug will treat it. However, this drug also has the following side-effects...."

Often, the side-effects are worse than the treated affliction.

I thought people weren't supposed to fuck till 18. That is hard to say with a straight face...

I'll bet the McCain camp knew all about it. And in a few weeks, the only ones who keep bringing it up are the same kind of people who send out the "Obama is a Muslim" emails.

The irony is too delicious for words, on so many levels. The idea that a first-term governor isn't experienced enough to be #2, but that a first-term Senator is experienced enough to be #1.
The idea that for a 17 year-old girl to have a "bastard child" (libtards' words--see above) must be some kind of disqualifier for the immediate family, whereas the mother of Barack Obama was a 17 year-old girl who was impregnated by a 24 year-old married man.

Barack needs to be very, very careful what his minions are going around saying. TonyRoma is a perfect example, right here on the DR. Every time he opens his piehole, it gives me one less reason to want his man in the White House.

How about this you conserv tools? If MCain KNEW of this, what does this say about his judgment? he HAD to know what a distraction it would be during his own convention, and yet this was the BEST choice for VP?

The man is an opportunist, and apparently, more of a doddering fool than many had thought.

Anyone who can still tout is judgement is either a tool or a fool.

Oh, and to the pious right-wing hypocrites who now have to choke on this: hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

So now you are quoting Obama (in your own adolescent way)?

You are a tool, farmer boy, and not a particularly sharp one. Not really much point responding to your posts anymore, eh?

lol

"Barack's mininions need to be very, very careful about what they say...."

Sure, you wouldn't want them linking John Edward's sexual picadilloes to the 2008 presidential election and Democratic morals.

Whups---I'm sorry---That wasn't Obama---That was Rush Limbaugh and every other right wing pundit for the last four months.

How about this you conserv tools? If MCain KNEW of this, what does this say about his judgment? he HAD to know what a distraction it would be during his own convention, and yet this was the BEST choice for VP?

He likely regarded it as a calculated risk.

On this front, what matters ultimately is public opinion.

He wants to win the election and felt that Palin gave him the best shot as a running mate, given his short-list.

Time will tell whether or not he made a good choice.

Personally, I think the Dems make a huge mistake if they try and harp on this. Obama seems to think so as well, hence his apology (before you all go apeshit, my belief is that Obama was sincere with his repudiation of attacks against Palin via the mistake made by her 17 year-old daughter).

I don't think this hurts McCain/Palin at all. In fact, this could be quietly spun to make Palin even more human and 'common-man-ish'.

How about this you conserv tools? If MCain KNEW of this, what does this say about his judgment? he HAD to know what a distraction it would be during his own convention, and yet this was the BEST choice for VP?
* * * *

First of all, there is no "best choice" for VP. America is made up of 300 million people. I remember Buckley's famous riposte that he would prefer to be ruled by the first five hundred names in the New York phone book, than by the current Congress. You pick someone based on a lot of things, not who is the most prepared to lead a funeral procession in Shitcreekostan.

But his judgment is that it's nobody's business. For a party that pretends you resent people poking around your bedrooms, you sure don't mind peeking under the sheets of a 17 year-old girl. Kinda creepy, that. I'm a knuckle-dragging rightwinger who conceived a son out of wedlock, and we married when she was four months pregnant. Should that disqualify my dad from political office?

Someone mentioned what if this were Chelsea that was pregnant, way back when.

Well, that would have been "evidence" Bill and Hillary were bad parents. There would have been no end to the Right-wing proganda on the issue.

I'm more sure than ever the Right has no idea what sort of monster they created. What's even more perplexing is they thought no one else would EVER try their hand with the monster.

ZED

It's even more than a 'they do it' DEM-REP issue.

The GOP have been the party of 'family values' and anti woman's choice.

Yet, they cheer a candidate who opposes sex education and even birth control (including for married couples) when 1/3 of women under 20 get pregnant in America - probably resulting in a lot of abortions and definitely a lot of unwanted babies.

Conservadonia(TM) is a la la land of empty and paradoxical rhetoric.

If.

By the way, American Unity--you keep lying about her position on contraceptives. I'll put it down as an honest mistake, for now, but Feminists for Life are 100% in favor of birth control and contraceptives.

Google it, instead of recycling more of your BS.

"If...."

Oh, please. People like Rush are loathsome creatures that hope and expect to make millions doing exactly this sort of thing.

From what can be told, Ms. Palin removed her daughter from school as soon as the pregnancy was known.

I remember a time when we did that in the South, and why. Pride in a daughter and grandchild had nothing to do with it.

Couldn't agree more, actually. And the only difference between Rush and Air America is the size of their audiences.

I digress, though. The more Palin is in the news with very real-life issues that confront her and her family, I'll bet the better she does. When the details about Clinton's rough-and-tumble upbringing came public, his numbers went UP. Counterintuitive, but there ya go. I have a feeling that a lot more women will be able to relate to Governor Palin than we might appreciate. We'll see. The polls have already moved among the men.

"I should've picked Sebelius . . . "

Looks to me like these parents need to do a better job raising their kids and more time at home.

Jeffie:

"Palin's daugher is 5 months pregnant.

Let's see:

1 month - May 18
2 - June 18
3 - July 18
4 - August 18
5 - September 18

find other things to criticize Palin for. This one is going nowhere."

Not that there isn't plenty more to criticize Palin for, but I'm comfy sticking with this one for the moment.

Number one, pregnancy calculations aren't all that damn specific. By your reckoning, there's a mere two-and-a-half week difference between the time elapsed since Trig's birth and the five-month span claimed for Bristol's oopsie; being off by that much is a long way from being unheard-of.

Number two, it's damned odd that the McCain campaign was at such pains to specify the term of the pregnancy to date. Usually, there's just a confirmation of the baby bump, and a statement that the baby will be due within a time frame ("Angelina is expecting her baby in late July," that sort of thing. But nooooooooooo - the McCain-raisers have got to say, "Five months. Did you hear us? GET IT? FIIIIIIVE MONNNNNNNNNNTHS!!!

Fearless prediction - Rush's "babe" is going to be withdrawn as Veep nominee, very soon. Too many hinky places in her resume and personal history.

"Neatness is always the result of deliberate planning."

Martin Landau, North by Northwest, 1959

Speaking from a purely political standpoint, this poses unique questions for the Republican Party. For example, how old is the father of this child, and if they intended to get married why aren't they married, uh, now?

Waiting for what? Confirmation the rabbit died?


I guess we can expect TR not to be so quick on the trigger anymore...... naw!!!

Whore,

Allowing for estimation vagaries, she would have had to have sex almost immediately (within a few days) of conceiving Trig. My wife was very sore down there for about 4 weeks.

Anything is possible, but you are really grasping at straws with this one.

TonyRoma is a perfect example, right here on the DR. Every time he opens his piehole, it gives me one less reason to want his man in the White House.

#201 | Posted by rightisright

I think judging Obama by the lunatics that support him is a mistake... but its one I'm having trouble getting around too. I like Obama. I think either he or McCain will make good presidents... but one of the biggest things keeping me from voting Obama is that I'd have to be on the same side as the fucking nutjobs supporting him. I'm trying hard to shake that, and I hope they both perform well in the debates, or one thrashes the other... at this point though I'm firmly undecided and wishing we had a viable third or fourth party.

Still though, how cool is it that this site has one less 9/11 conspiracy theorist... bye tony.

Allowing for estimation vagaries, she would have had to have sex almost immediately (within a few days) of conceiving Trig. My wife was very sore down there for about 4 weeks.

Anything is possible, but you are really grasping at straws with this one.

#219 | Posted by JeffJ

I didn't go near my wife for 6 weeks, and even then it was very rare for another couple... Squeezing 5.5-9 pounds out of a woman literally tears a vagina up. Its the most disgusting/amazing event you could ever witness...

Palin Flew 12 Hours While in Labor

There ts also photographic evidence, of about the same quality, that Sarah blew up the Twin Towers.

And faked the moon landing.

Also, Sarah is Bigfoot!!

Posted by Corky at 2008-08-31 07:56 PM |

I think it was awfully damn white of her daughter to get pregnant again so soon, just to cover up for her mom.

I didn't go near my wife for 6 weeks, and even then it was very rare for another couple... Squeezing 5.5-9 pounds out of a woman literally tears a vagina up. Its the most disgusting/amazing event you could ever witness...

#221 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Which is precisely why the insipid claims of Palin faking her last pregnancy will die a quiet death. At best, it's barely a mathematical possiblity - and then the whole torn-vagina thing comes into play.

I think it was awfully damn white of her daughter to get pregnant again so soon, just to cover up for her mom.

#223 | Posted by Corky

That was seriously funny!

Zed--the father is 18 years old.

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check out bidens kids,i guess getting pregnant is a bigger crime them actuality being a criminal.

#190 | Posted by semtex111 at 2008-09-01 06:17 PM

I think what folks should do is leave the kids and personal family matters out of the politics.

Folks want to gossip away--ohhhh ahhhhhh...

And some still want to claim the new baby is the daughter's too--well how the hell did she hide that all last year?

The town knows she is pregnant NOW.

And for folks who don't get it--preaching your kids morals and conduct is done with fingers crossed that it will work.

Because as we all know kids will do as kids do--they make mistakes. They get carried away. (You all remember) The family in this case is going to welcome a grandbaby.

This has nothing to do with Sarah's ability to be the VP.

This happens all across America and another issue that the middle class can relate to --even in Scranton, PA.

Thanks, Jeffy. I knew that no one here would take it as anything else....

Actually, I have heard that the child is being considered for her CoS, once it has 20 months experience.

#223--Corky--where do you get that stuff--lol

So Mary--have you had a baby?

And how are you going to ovulate when there is still bleeding after the baby is born??--Add an episiotomy--yeah makes sense to me...

pfft

So maybe you think it's not fair to judge Palin by the fiscal mistakes she made as mayor since she was just starting out. So let's look at her handling of the state budget as governor. This is supposed to be her big credential, that she's allegedly a budget buster who takes on special interests. Again, those pesky facts belie the claim.

She presided over a $2.3 billion budget and made line item vetos. So what did she cut and what did she fund? Well, here's a few items:

Cuts $130,000 for Anchorage police station, funds $100,000 for Houston (Mat-Su) football field lights.

Cuts $500,000 for Anchorage fire station, funds $630,000 for Wasilla Sports Complex Kitchen.

Cuts $200,000 for roads in South Anchorage, funds $100,000 for bleachers at Palmer High School.

All the funded projects are in her former home district which she pledged to favor when she ran for governor. People thought she was joking. Guess the joke is on the Anchorage PD.

"Still though, how cool is it that this site has one less 9/11 conspiracy theorist... bye tony."

Do you really believe that Tony has the integrity to keep his word Rob? Personally I think he'll convince himself that he weaseled out of that pledge and will continue his cut 'n paste which has shown him for he is - 0bamas own Brutus on the DR. "Et tu Tony?"

You know what I'd like to see?

The reaction and action if a young woman stood up in a large evangelical church and said:

"I'm pregnant and struggling. I do not want to adopt out this baby, but raise it since I'm the mother. Unless I can get a pledge from this church to place within two weeks enough money to give me a job, help me buy formula, clothes, health insurance for the two of us, an education for my unborn baby and guarantee my rent and expenses in the event I can't make enough to support us until he's 18 I"m going to have it aborted two weeks and one day from today".

I'll bet all those 'pro-life' people would mumble rather than pony up what a church with a large membership could easily do.

Fair Rasta--

community.adn.com

She cut 58 million--PLUS!

She vetoed 300 pork spending projects put into bills by the legislature since being Gov.

She is my hero!

McCain will do the same.

Get the gov't back under control--shrink it.

Don't expand it--we can't afford to with the debt and the deficit and the wars.

alaskareport.com

sMurphy-

robsobs.blogspot.com

#232 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-09-01 07:56 PM |

Sometimes you outdo your moronic self.

mudflats.wordpress.com

MURPHY

Bush and the GOP Congress ballooned the government 40%

Why would we want to let them then have a stab at reducing spending?

They've lost all credibility on that front. They had total control of government and look what they did.

Yes Alex--

Has this been confirmed?

And was the original bond voted by the mayor and counsel only --or was the bond voted on by the folks??

#232 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-09-01 07:56 PM |

Sometimes you outdo your moronic self.

#235 | Posted by MURPHY

Ya think so? I'd bet those 'pro-life' folks would shuffle out of church mumbling. They're all talk. Care about fetuses and not babies once they're born.

Conservadonia(TM) never follows through on their rhetoric.

Shit MURPHY

Tell me how many churches offer free day care to non members for starters.....

Oh, and they're awfully busy adopting babies from China to look all nicey nice while 7.5 million foster kids can't get adopted.

Evangelical Christians are the biggest hypocrites in the world

"Allowing for estimation vagaries, she would have had to have sex almost immediately (within a few days) of conceiving Trig. My wife was very sore down there for about 4 weeks.

Anything is possible, but you are really grasping at straws with this one."

Jeff:

First, I'm assuming your wife is not 17, though I wouldn't discount that possibility entirely where you're concerned. A very young woman is fertile as a rabbit, and much more resilient when it comes to giving birth.

Second, you're not speaking to the neatness issue, which is really the important one. McCain's minions have pushed really hard to make sure we have FIVE. WHOLE. DAMN. MONTHS. in our heads. Why? So that folks like you will do a little math and conclude it's impossible for the previous allegation to be true? I'd be very interested in a time machine right now, so I could fast-foward to Little Oopsie Palin's impending birth, and see whether it times out at nine months proper from the time Bristol's doctors say it began, or if somehow an unusually large and healthy "preemie" emerges.

I'm telling you - something is W.R.O.N.G. here, and your party is about to have a major disruption to its par-tay.

AU--

You are so wrong--but you know that don't you. You are full of horse manure.

Go troll somewhere else--like Huffington or DK.

______________________--

Thanks for the link Alex--

All that information is in the public sphere.

The writer neglects to talk about her reformer and kicking out crooks to any great extent.

Sarah is the real deal.

what kind of mother would draw International attention like this to a 17 year old child?Who knows what Bristol Palin is thinking( guilt,ecstacy ,embarrassement???) and surely it wont be any easier for her with her mother ,obviously not in the best interests of her family,running for VP while she is pregnant

This is extremely poor judgement .This is not about Sarah Palin This is about Bristol Palin .Her mother doesnt seem to care.How irresponsible!!

This has nothing to do with Sarah's ability to be the VP.

#226 | Posted by MURPHY at 2008-09-01 07:39 PM

LOL. Doesnt change the fact she sucked before this happened.

So, according to the illiterati at the Drudge Retort, if the baby isn't Bristol's....

...it must be Piper or Willows, then!

No... Bristol's lying, she's NOT pregnant, and will claim AFTER the election to have suffered a miscarriage! Yeah, THAT's the ticket!

Quick, call Congress, issue some subpoena's, and lets get a pregnancy test administered, post haste! No stone must be left unturned in this investigation!

This is a job for Sherloch Holmes' smarter brother...

Please. Palin is even less experienced than you people have painted Obama for the last year.

And yet...you're all cheering for McCains shallow and quick pick of a woman he met once and calls his "soul mate"? WTF.

I get the impression that McCain could have picked a barney suited transvestite with a swatstika etched in it's forehead, and you guys would be spinning it as a victory.

Palin is a joke. So much so that it's an insult to all previous VP's. Even Quayle.

Mary--

There is no time here--women bleed for up to 14 days following giving birth. They they have to go thru a cycle to ovulate. That's another month and maybe longer.

The Trig baby was born April 18th.

The Bristol baby is due in December. Count back 9 months and Bristol conceived in March.

This is a personal family matter--- and I know it is hard to stay away from gossip--this is a blog afterall.

But good grief.

Sarah herself will probably get pregnant again soon.

"issue some subpoena's, and lets get a pregnancy test administered, post haste! No stone must be left unturned in this investigation!"

If Colorado's proposed law passes, they'll be checking out every menstrual period.

Jeff, I'm ascribing the abstinence-only education policy to Palin.

eagleforumalaska.blogspot.com

They have nothing better to do in Colorado.

RCP has Obama up by 5, post Palin.

I guess the only shark McSame has left to jump is claiming HE'S the father.

Funny how Democrats who claim to be so concerned about vetting the qualifications of their opponents VP candidate forgot to vet their own presidential candidate's qualifications.

What's good for the goose can become GRAVY for the gander.

Obama has more experience in his pinky than Palin.

Please...make this about qualifications. Oh, please please please.

But his position on having a baby is punishment and not a blessing. That is telling.

Murph- I'm mnot sure a 16 y/o single mom who has to drop out of school and go on welfare shares the same definition of "blessing" as you.

Aren't you Righties always bitching about welfare moms. Maybe you should rreanalyse your position, Bristol fashion...

Murphy

It has everything to do with Sarah Palins ability to be VP.It shows her judgement and her family values

Sarah palin: I am pro-life. With the exception of a doctors determination that the mothers life would end if the pregnancy continued. I believe that no matter what mistakes we make as a society, we cannot condone ending an innocents life.

Sounds like a rapist bill of rights. Want a kid with that chick your stalking? Rape her, and the palin's of the world(were they in charge) will stop the victim from aborting.

Obama has more experience in his pinky than Palin.

Wow! That's got to be one stinky pinky!

eagleforumalaska.blogspot.com

10. Do you support the Alaska Supreme Courts ruling that spousal benefits for state employees should be given to same-sex couples? Why or why not?

SP: No, I believe spousal benefits are reserved for married citizens as defined in our constitution.

11. Are you offended by the phrase Under God-- in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?

SP: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and Ill fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.


What a friggin moron.

Did they cut off George Washington's pinky and graft it to nobama's hand?

I can't get over this:

11. Are you offended by the phrase Under God-- in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?

SP: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and Ill fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.

What a dumb shit.

I think judging Obama by the lunatics that support him is a mistake... but its one I'm having trouble getting around too. I like Obama. I think either he or McCain will make good presidents... but one of the biggest things keeping me from voting Obama is that I'd have to be on the same side as the fucking nutjobs supporting him. I'm trying hard to shake that, and I hope they both perform well in the debates, or one thrashes the other... at this point though I'm firmly undecided and wishing we had a viable third or fourth party.

Still though, how cool is it that this site has one less 9/11 conspiracy theorist... bye tony.

#220 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

this is my exact sentiment.I was going to mccain but then he brings Alaskan crazy lady on board with the preggers 17 yo..WTF!!

I am undecided about Obama until i see a debate between him and Mccain. If he thrashes him in the debate that may decide it for me.

Did they cut off George Washington's pinky and graft it to nobama's hand?

#261 | Posted by Farmer_John at 2008-09-01 08:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

I dunno, farmer john. Did he use that pinky to write the pledge of allegiance? LOL

I'll give you and sarah palin a clue.(OK, a hint)

The pledge of allegiance was written in 1892.

The "under god" part wasn't even added until 1950's!

So Alexandrite, you a Google genius, too? Palin may not know when the Pledge of Allegiance was written, but chances are she knows that no man or woman ever got pregnant and had a baby by shoving a penis up their rectum.

What that her teenager got pregnant and is having the baby and getting married??? This happens across America and they all have bad family values? Are you nuts?

Damn if only we could blame the parents of politicians and their kids for some perceived bad judgment!!

We could have a real hay day on that score!!

This is on the blogs and a couple of days and dies away.

Obama says he will fire his staff for grabbing on this.

Now I expect to see the media and the left continue to bork Sarah.

They hate her because she is middle class and her family is too big and she shouldn't be working and she should be home with her kids. She is a taken and stupid and bad family values!! (That's my favorite).

The hatred is spewing here as well.

Sarah has to remember that the people are what count. She needs to stay tough and stay on point.

What is so insane is that if Sarah was a liberal and had a teenager who chose to have an abortion--you folks would be cheering her!

So what's really going on here?

FACT: Since sex education was implemented in the public school system, teen pregnancy rates have skyrocketed.

Don't take that as a support for abstinence-only sex ed.

#63 | Posted by JeffJ

show the numbers don't just spout off "FACT" like that should be the end all be all of the conversation.

I would venture to say the teen pregnancy rates correspond to the teen DROP OUT rate and would go a step further to infer that they are relegated to a few ethnic groups.

And teenage pregnancies are DOWN.

While they had been declining that trend came to an end in 2006.

www.washingtonpost.com

(I am for birth control).

I'm glad to hear that, now convince Palin of that because she supports abstinence-only education.

So just go get an abortion--right Johnny?

I wouldn't advocate but I wouldn't want to deny anyone that choice either. That's a decision for the girl/woman, her parents (yes, I support parental concent laws), her doctor and her God to work out.

What happened to choice?
I suppose you should ask Palin that question because she's the one opposed to reproductive freedom.

and I know it is hard to stay away from gossip--this is a blog afterall.

But good grief.

Posted by MURPHY

Girlfriend, you've been one of the guiltiest bloggers here with gossip and innuendo about Obama, so yes you would know how hard it is to stay away from it .... or would you?

:-)

"...if Sarah was a liberal and had a teenager who chose to have an abortion--you folks would be cheering her!"

Do you have to practice at such incredible stupidity, or does it just come naturally fer you?

She is a "token"

11. Are you offended by the phrase Under God-- in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?

SP: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I'll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.


So Sarah Palin thinks that the pledge of allegiance was around in the founders time. That's one mistake. (1787 constitution ratified) It was wirrten in 1892.

Second mistake was not knowing that "under god" was added in 1954 because of our fight against atheist communists.

Third mistake? Saying "yes" when McCain tapped her.(for the VP spot that is)

Leggo,

I didn't mean for it to be the end of the discussion.

The comment I initially responded to blasted the results of abstinence-only sex ed when the stats, in their purest form, simply don't support the contention.

but chances are she knows that no man or woman ever got pregnant and had a baby by shoving a penis up their rectum.

#266 | Posted by Farmer_John at 2008-09-01 08:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Whenever the right wing extremists get stumped or look stupid, out come the gay references.

"So what's really going on here?"

You republicans are engaging in a transparent exercise in rationalization.

"I think judging Obama by the lunatics that support him is a mistake... but its one I'm having trouble getting around too."

How about the lunatics who support McCain? They go by the names Bush and Cheney.

now convince Palin of that because she supports abstinence-only education.

The one comment I've seen from her neither affirms nor denies this claim.

It's something she needs to expound upon - unless of course you have something from her that supports your comment, in which case bring it forward. Please.

OOHRAH

I'm not saying YOU should raise the child.

But, since conservatives are also against the government lending a helping hand to guarantee any quality of life once the child IS born they say charities will take up the slack.

So, which is it? Does your church make a pledge to help guarantee a decent life for that child, a "pro-life" position, or does that talk end once the baby's born?

I don't see churches here in the buckle of the Bible Belt offering even free day care for mothers. That in and of itself is expensive, and a necessity for a woman wishing to work or get an education.

what kind of mother would bring International attention to her 17 year old pregnant daughter??
How insensitive and ruthless

what kind of mother would draw International attention like this to a 17 year old child?Who knows what Bristol Palin is thinking( guilt,ecstacy ,embarrassement???) and surely it wont be any easier for her with her mother ,obviously not in the best interests of her family,running for VP while she is pregnant

This is extremely poor judgement .This is not about Sarah Palin This is about Bristol Palin .Her mother doesnt seem to care.How irresponsible!!

#244 | Posted by independentmd at 2008-09-01 08:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Who brought up Bristol in the first place, so this had to come to light?

Palin didn't start this. You "fair minded Democrats all for women's lib and personal privacy" intruded on the private lives of her family first.

None of this has any bearing on Palin's VP run. NONE. Like someone said above, when you teach your children about morality, you do so in hopes that you somehow got through to them. It doesn't always work. IF it doesn't work, you pick up the pieces of the situation and move on as best and as lovingly as you can. What was Palin supposed to do, set her daughter on fire for having sex? Bristol didn't go out and murder someone. Bristol didn't go out and get all coked up (though Bush and Barack Obama did). Bristol didn't buy a gun and shoot up her school. All Bristol did was create a new life, and is dealing with it in a responsible, morally correct fashion.

She is a child having a child. She has enough problems already. Leave her the hell alone YOU DISGUSTING SONS OF BITCHES. It's clear if her mother had a D after her name this would be a non-issue, in fact you'd be (rightfully, I might add) chiding any Rightie who dared to speak ill of her, because while she made a mistake she is doing THE RIGHT THING by her baby!

Oink oink, you sickening Demlicans.

what kind of mother would bring International attention to her 17 year old pregnant daughter?

She didn't.

Rumorville was exploding in blogworld and she addressed the allegations.

She probably would have preferred this not come up at all, but once it did, she handled it responsibly IMO.

Well- then if a liberal candidate had a teenager who was pregnant and decided to keep the baby--would you people still berate the candidate? Bad judgment and wrong family values?

Answer honestly if this were a liberal.

___________________

This is getting so ugly. The DK's is completely sideways. They are in the gutter. They are trying to pull it back on the daughter is pregnant again lies--but too late.

_________

But keep it up.

It's really too bad that Larry has left the DR.

He was always perfectly consistent regarding keeping the children of politics out of the process.

If he were here, he'd be sternly chiding all of the Lefties who are harping on this.

Given how American politics work, this hurts McCain/Palin, at least a little bit, in the short-term. However, if the media and/or Dems try to make much out of this, particularly in light of Palin's public response to the rumors, it will backfire.

Blog away, lefties! Hopefully, it will 'bubble-up' into the national scene.

MURPHY

No, I don't think I'm full of shit.

I asked a question. "What would evangelicals in a large church do if a woman asked either that they put their conservative principles to work - no abortion, no government assistance - or shut up and quit the empty paradoxical rhetoric in so many areas regarding 'pro-life'.

I visit quite a few different web sites. If this was the only one I ever read I'd think you 'conservatives' were going to blow up the world.

by running for VP she brought her whole family into the limelight .Nothing to do with the blogs.Obama Mcain have had their lives turned upside down She could be The PresidentSurely she would know that.Thata happens to everybody She should have not run as a candidate.This is about what is best for her family

So Sarah Palin thinks that the pledge of allegiance was around in the founders time. That's one mistake. (1787 constitution ratified) It was wirrten in 1892.

Second mistake was not knowing that "under god" was added in 1954 because of our fight against atheist communists.

Third mistake? Saying "yes" when McCain tapped her.(for the VP spot that is)

...and Alexandrite's boneheaded mistake was in thinking that a homosexual union was in any way shape or form equivalent to a marriage...

Jeff,

That's why I provided you with the link. The link is to the Eagle Forum which distributed a questionnaire to Alaskan Gubernatorial Candidates in 2006.

When asked about supporting funding for abstinence-only education she answered Yes. Feel free to read the link yourself.

"Given how American politics work, this hurts McCain/Palin, at least a little bit, in the short-term. However, if the media and/or Dems try to make much out of this, particularly in light of Palin's public response to the rumors, it will backfire."

Rarely does it backfire and, more importantly, there's rarely any consequence:

www.cadenhead.org

...in fact, there's usually congratulations.

OOHRAH

You don't leave women a choice if conservatives wishes to do away with any government help were initiated - as they recently did with a simple health care plan to cover kids, SCHIP, funded by a tobacco tax - and then aren't willing to follow through on their 'faith based initiative' proposals that private charities will pick up the slack.

I wouldn't want a baby to grow up in poverty if I were a woman.

what kind of mother would bring International attention to her 17 year old pregnant daughter??
How insensitive and ruthless

#281 | Posted by independentmd
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It was douchebags like our resident 99-cent-pizzaman, TonyRoma, who was carefully examining the photos, then coming up with outlandish theories about Palin's baby being the daughter's, or some damn thing. The libs pretend that such private things like a woman's pregnancy is between her doctor, her faith, and herself. But if it's the minor daughter of a Republican, you don't mind lifting up her skirt, and taking out the calendar.

Sick bastards, methinks. But knowing the kind of people you are makes me want Obama to lose the election. Two months ago I didn't really give a damn, and decided I wouldn't be voting for McCain. But the Obamaniacs have acted so despicably--in every respect--that I simply have to assume their candidate is as wretched as they are.

" But the Obamaniacs have acted so despicably--in every respect--that I simply have to assume their candidate is as wretched as they are."

Bla bla bla. I've seen rightwingers on this site suggest that Obama was a drug dealer, had his "gay lover" murdered, is a Communist, his wife making a "hate whitey video" etc. Stuff your hypocritical self-righteous indignation where the sun doesn't shine.

Bla bla bla. I've seen rightwingers on this site suggest that Obama was a drug dealer, had his "gay lover" murdered, is a Communist, his wife making a "hate whitey video" etc. Stuff your hypocritical self-righteous indignation where the sun doesn't shine.

#295 | Posted by nullifidian at 2008-09-01 09:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

"But mommy, he did it first!" is supposed to be a reason to behave just as despicably? I honestly thought, at one time, that the Democrats were better then this. I really did.

Well you stuff it as well, hypocrite.

SOHEIFOX

You're missing a big point:

Democrats here are posting facts based on reality. Pointing out hypocracy on Palin's part since she is so hell bent on 'no birth control - EVER' is hardly acting like the right wing nuts who throw out the most ridiculous accusations and innuendo based on a talking point turd they pulled off of Rush of FreeRepublic's front page.

"But if it's the minor daughter of a Republican, you don't mind lifting up her skirt, and taking out the calendar. Sick bastards, methinks."

The sanctimonious and self-righteous rightwingnuts display their faux indignation once again.

Meanwhile:

www.salon.com

Sick bastards, indeed.

Well you stuff it as well, hypocrite.

#297 | Posted by nullifidian at 2008-09-01 09:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

I have ALWAYS supported families doing the right thing. I have ALWAYS been pro-choice legally, but anti-abortion except in extreme cases. I have always felt that what a woman does with her body is none of my business. I have NEVER wanted to get into the private lives of anyone. I wasn't here a while ago, but if you can look in the old Cruel archives and Bartcop, you'll see that I never thought anyone's private lives were fair game. I didn't even give a rat's ass that Bush did blow when he was younger, just like I don't give a rat's ass Obama did.

A hypocrite would be someone who screamed at the Right over Bill Clinton's blowjob, because it was an invasion of his private business; and then turn around and do the same thing to this little girl, just because her mommy has an R next to her name.

If you think _I_ am a hypocrite, then you need to revisit the dictionary.

SOHEIFOX

NO one has cast a single stone at Bristol Palin here.

There have been plenty of salient points made about the shortcomings of her mother who opposes sex education and birth control for married couples, and seemed to have stuck to her guns in supplying her daughter with neither.

Since she's now a candidate for VP, Sarah Palin is a fair topic when it comes to point out the glaring mistakes she's made in mothering her children while she climbs the political ladder.

There is NOTHING unfair about what we've said about Bristol's mother.

I still smell a rat. Watch the daughter go into seclusion for a long time and when it's time to deliver...(conveniently post election) we will get another story.

Democrats here are posting facts based on reality. Pointing out hypocracy on Palin's part since she is so hell bent on 'no birth control - EVER'

#298 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-09-01 09:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm not missing that. Firstly, the organization she belongs to encourages birth control, and secondly, that one statement everyone refers to is ambiguous. What the hell, exactly, is "explicit" sex ed?

Now, let's go ahead and assume she's totally batshit crazy and hates condoms. SO WHAT? When you teach your children morals, you hope and pray that they listen. But sometimes children make mistakes. When children make mistakes, you LOVE THEM AND SUPPORT THEM ANYWAY. And that's exactly what Sarah Bristol did.

Where the hell is there hypocrisy in someone's CHILD falling short of the ideals that a FULL GROWN ADULT holds. All she did was have sex. She didn't kill anyone. She wasn't on drugs. She had sex. And is now doing the right thing. It looks to me like Sarah Palin did a SLIGHTLY less then perfect job raising her kids. Are you going to sit here and tell me nobody else in this country makes mistakes with their kids? Based on Bristol's own personal history, which.. holy fuck I shouldn't know what that IS but thanks to this big stink it's easy to find now.. she seems to otherwise be a very good kid.

It's one mistake, AU. ONE. If Palin said "No abortions for anyone" and then went out and got an abortion for her daughter, THEN we would have hypocrisy. All we have right now is an unfortunate circumstance. Sarah Palin did not tell her daughter to go have premarital sex with her boyfriend! She did all she could to stop it, she failed, and it's unfortunate.

That's not hypocrisy. Figure it out.

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
Because her father is Janet Reno."

John McCain

-----------

The 'liberal' media refused to print that joke. They did not fail to report Bill Clinton's every foible.

So much for the 'bias' argument.

Again, NO ONE has said a solitary bad word about Bristol Palin here.

It is VERY appropriate to call her mother's character in light of her views against birth control and sex education, let alone her personal failures in mothering.

The right wing spew lies and innuendo as easily as a hawker and then scream all sanctimoniously and self righteously about the opposition discussing true and salient points about a candidate for Vice President's stances and shortcomings that resulted in this life altering mess for her own 17 year old daughter.

Stances she'd like to have enacted into law - which would result in millions more unwanted and unplanned pregnancies.

NO one has cast a single stone at Bristol Palin here.

#301 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-09-01 09:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wow. Have you not been paying attention to what's been going on around here? Or are you THAT biased that it's made you unable to think clearly?

Or maybe I'm just wrong. Maybe none of you did stick your noses into someone's personal life. Maybe you never DId throw stones. Let's check.

"Bristol can always name the little bugger John. McCain's reckless pick of Palin will make Bristol's baby the most famous baby in America for a time. He is, after all, Sarah's 'soulmate' (his own words)

Here's a family pic from the holidays before the birth. Palin's daughter has a tad of a belly there - the daughter who was out of school for months with 'mono'. Ah, here's the photo. It's in the eye of the beholder.

Since John McCain has called Sarah Palin his 'Soulmate'(after having been with her for a total of 3 hours in 6 months), does this mean he's some kind of an great uncle/granddaddy to Bristol's baby? I'm not sure how that kind of thing works up there in Alaska.

BS. Palin wasn't up to the task of balancing motherhood with being a politician.
"

Nah, you didn't throw any stones at her and her family over their own personal, private business at all. That was three minutes of searching posts I'd remembered you posted on to find those.

Soheifox, I'm curious about this: Firstly, the organization she belongs to encourages birth control, and secondly, that one statement everyone refers to is ambiguous. What the hell, exactly, is "explicit" sex ed?

I've looked up Feminists for Life and their position on birth control. You might want to check it out.

What is Feminists for Life's position on contraception?
Feminists for Life's mission is to address the unmet needs of women who are pregnant or parenting. Preconception issues including abstinence and contraception are outside of our mission. Some FFL members and supporters support the use of non-abortifacient contraception while others oppose contraception for a variety of reasons. FFL is concerned that certain forms of contraception have had adverse health effects on women.

Generally speaking, after going through their website I find them quite odd. Strongly anti-abortion, for prosecution of anyone that provides an abortion. They support the GOP plank of extending the 14th amendment to the fetus.

The ramifications for that, btw, is a murder charge for conspiring, should a woman have an abortion. Something they say they don't support - because "we believe that women are capable of following the law."

www.feministsforlife.org

Now, finally - I don't care what happened in Palin's life regarding her daughter. What I do care about is Palin and her views - and what causes she will advocate - and how they will impact the rest of us.

She's fair game because of the position she's in. She will be casting a vote in the Senate, breaking ties.

It's hardly sticking our noses in her business when Palin would like to enact laws that would eliminate sex education and birth control that would lead to millions more like her daughter ending up pregnant

Pointing out hypocracy on Palin's part since she is so hell bent on 'no birth control - EVER'

#298 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY
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You're lying about that; she's not opposed to birth control. And even were it true, it's not a hypocritical position; in fact, it's the opposite.

For your sake, you'd be advised to let this story die quietly. If you want to involve Palin's daughter in a discussion of children having bastard children, don't be surprised when right-wing nutjobs start doing the same toward the man at the head of your ticket. Both Bristol and Barack's mom were 17 at conception; neither were married; one has an 18-year-old boyfriend, the other was with a married 24 year old student from Kenya. Obama knows that this is a Pandora's Box that he wants sealed shut. I wonder if his disciples are as smart as he is.

Good Grief! Palin needs to get her own house in order before running for the White House. What in the world is she thinking? Anyone with an ounce of good judgement would withdraw her name and focus on her family's needs, and put aside her personal political ambitions.

You're lying about that; she's not opposed to birth control.

citation needed.

I find it humorous that so many lefties here think it is Palins fault because her daughter is pregnant.

It is VERY appropriate to call her mother's character in light of her views against birth control and sex education, let alone her personal failures in mothering.

#304 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY
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OMG. Fair enough. Barack's grandmother was a failure too. Never mind that she raised him in an age when such things weren't exactly well-regarded. Her personal failure in raising a daughter that slept with a married 24-year-old graduate student from Kenya, resulting in the impregnation of a bastard future presidential candidate, should outweigh everything. What a failure. Hopefully, you go out of your way to point out to everyone what a miserable parent Barack's grandma is. Just who the hell does she think she is? Doesn't she know her daughter's a tramp? That she should have taken less time for work, more time to be with her daughter?

Let this play out. It keeps getting better. What a bunch of bitter, horrible people the lefties are. And you gave thousands of dollars to this guy's campaign? He must suck too.

Let's let them speak for themselves:

"What is Feminists for Life's position on contraception?
Feminists for Life's mission is to address the unmet needs of women who are pregnant or parenting. Preconception issues including abstinence and contraception are outside of our mission. Some FFL members and supporters support the use of non-abortifacient contraception while others oppose contraception for a variety of reasons. FFL is concerned that certain forms of contraception have had adverse health effects on women."

(emphasis mine)

It seems while they claim to be neutral, they draw the line at RU-486. I also question the last line for a group which seemingly believes an unplanned pregnancy is worse.

This issue has absolutly nothing to do with abortion rights or abstinance. You fringe wackos are all missing the point. What kind of example does this set for our daughters? Remeber when Slick Willie was giving ole Monica the who ha. Those fundi's just could'nt resist talking about "the example" well WTF? So now someone who portrays himself to have good judgement, Old Man John, has done gone and picked a doosey of a bright shining example to represent all the Young Ho's of 'Merica. He says he knew and was alright with this situation LOL yeah right. Word on the Street is no one ever considered checking 1st runner up out What kind of judgemnt does this show? Piss Poor judgement is what they called it back in the day....... It's alright though the world will be sucked into a black hole in 9 more days EOM Jesus Christ I feel like I am going COOCOO for coacoa puffs. What did they put in my water LOL

Obama comes out and strongly suggests people leave candidates families and kids out of this.

Where is McCain? Fox news refers to Obama's wife as Obama's Baby Mama.

Oh yeah, hypocrite McCain in Senate told his Chelsea
clinton Joke when Chelsea was younger than Bristol.

Babygate would have never included Bristol, if her family had not lied to the school system that she had Mono.

I dont like scumsucker politics, too bad there are not rules.

But with that being said, we all know the
GOP has no rules and will swiftboat any means possible even after their lies are debunked they still don't stop..........Obama a baby killer,
Obama a Muslim, fake birth certificate and about a dozen other childish rants.

I would respect McCain if he would come out and denounce Corsi's book of lies, but we both know it won't happen, just like his ads that have been debunked about Obama's tax plan.

Your Party is full of hypocrites and claim to have morals and family values that only are applied when and where they are needed to pander to the base.

citation needed.

#312 | Posted by YAV
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Why not ask American Unity to prove it?

Fair enough. It's common knowledge that Feminists For Life are for birth control, except of the abortifacient variety. Google it yourself. Then ask yourself: did Governor Palin do anything to prevent the sale of contraceptives? Did she do anything to prevent the availability of abortions?

RightIsRight

You DO realize 'The Pill' wasn't approved for public consumption until after Obama was conceived, don't you?

It's common knowledge that Feminists For Life are for birth control

Citation needed.

It's hardly sticking our noses in her business when Palin would like to enact laws that would eliminate sex education and birth control that would lead to millions more like her daughter ending up pregnant

#309 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-09-01 09:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes, it is. it REALLY is. Because you know what, Skippy? I don't see anything wrong with the way Gov. Palin handled this. Bristol has the support structure to deal with the mistakes. It's not hypocrisy! It means when Mrs. Palin says she is pro life, she MEANS it. What did you want her to do, set Bristol on fire? What did you expect her to do? Nobody is perfect. And I STILL can't find anything except ONE, ambiguous statement that says she wants to deny everyone birth control! Cause I'm checking all up and down her tenure in Alaska, and I can't find anywhere where she tried to legislate her morality into legality.

This is not our business any more then Clinton's blow job was. It's not, at all! She wasn't a hypocrite just because a member of her family fell short of her morals. You have a bizzare disconnect here where you think if Bristol was "allowed" to use condoms she wouldn't have gotten knocked up? She wasn't "allowed" to have premarital sex, either. Here's a headsup chief, we don't know if she used them or not.. and that, too, is none of our business. When your children fail you love them and admit to the situation. Which is exactly what Governor Palin did.

Unless you can look me right in the eye and tell me that you NEVER disobeyed your parents. your mother was perfect in EVERY way, and you don't think any child ever raised by good parents ever disobeys their parents either, then you are throwing stones at Sarah Palin.

You'd think that with a challenged baby and a 17 year old Juno, she'd not have much time to run the country, t'were it ever necessary.

Danforth - they go further than RU-486. FFL is concerned that certain forms of contraception have had adverse health effects on women.

Sohe blabbering off about nothing again. This is politics and that means getting your candidate elected by any means necessary. Maybe things are different in MT but where I come from it is a necessary evil.

A couple of months ago I was at work and we were talking about the upcoming election. I said that I would probably even sit this one out, because I just didn't care, and didn't like McCain--never have. And nobody could believe me. They hauled out all the usual stuff, taxes, Obama's ridiculous energy ideas, the way his supporters think he's some kind of messianic figures, but it didn't do much for me.

Tell you this, though--now I see what so many Hillary supporters got so enraged about. The lies, the innuendo, the complete callousness of the Obama supporters. And I've changed my mind. Obama's people are so despicable, that he should be denied the White House, for that simple reason. A month ago I was told that if I didn't vote for Obama, it was because I was a racist. TO MY FACE, with my Hispanic date RIGHT NEXT TO ME. Little wonder so many moderate Dems are reluctant to throw their support behind such a person.

If the only reason John McCain was put on this earth, was to deny Barack Obama the White House, that's good enough for me. My check's in the mail, thanks to AmericanUnity and TonyRoma. If they like Obama, there must be a thousand damn good reasons not to.

did Governor Palin do anything to prevent the sale of contraceptives? Did she do anything to prevent the availability of abortions?

#318 | Posted by rightisright at 2008-09-01 10:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

....ding ding. For once I'm gonna be agreeing with RiR. Bravo. You actually summed up my retort much more succinctly then my rambling response a few down the line. It's really hilarious to claim that she's a hypocrite because she's gonna do this this and that to our rights...

When the only evidence that she will do so is.. uhhh.. err.. some.. lefties.. said.. she would?

" Did she do anything to prevent the availability of abortions?"

More to the point, would she do anything to prevent the availability of abortions for others?

"Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. Were proud of Bristols decision to have her baby and even prouder to become grandparents,-- Sarah and Todd Palin said in the brief statement."

www.crooksandliars.com

So it was Bristol's "decision". Does anyone actually believe President Palin wouldn't appoint SCOTUS judges who would hamper another woman's "decision"?

www.thenation.com

I got similarly evasive answers when I asked why FFL didn't promote birth control, and when I asked if FFL considered the pill an "abortifacient." She did tell me that "birth control doesn't work" for swing-shift nurses because they lose track of their body clock--interesting, if true--or for teenagers, which I know to be false. "We just want to focus on meeting the everyday needs of women," she told me. But when I asked how the everyday needs of women with unwanted pregnancies would be served by encouraging them to bear children and place them for adoption, Foster didn't answer. Instead, she extolled the benefits of open adoption.

In the FFL view, women have abortions because they are victims--of shamed parents, abusive boyfriends, prochoice propaganda and a society hostile to motherhood. Only a "few percent" of women who have abortions have what they need to choose childbirth instead--the rest are like prostitutes, Foster told me, coerced women falsely said to be making a free choice. The FFL vision is that women should embrace motherhood whenever a wayward sperm meets an egg, and that this is what women really want to do, and would do if given support. When I pointed out that Scandinavia provides a raft of benefits for mothers and children, yet many women there still seek abortions for about a million reasons, Foster conceded the point and moved right along.

Sohe blabbering off about nothing again. This is politics and that means getting your candidate elected by any means necessary. Maybe things are different in MT but where I come from it is a necessary evil.

#324 | Posted by rastaninja at 2008-09-01 10:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Go away, you right wing plant. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Obama supporters can't possibly be as stupid as you are.

You're not fooling anyone. Who are you really. Kirk? Are you Taketiz? At first I thought you might be Chairborne but then I remembered he doesn;t really care enough to do something like that.

You DO realize 'The Pill' wasn't approved for public consumption until after Obama was conceived, don't you?

#319 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY
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LMAO. Yeah--go with that. "Gee ma, I wouldn't have gotten knocked up by that handsome married Kenyan man if only I had access to birth control pills."

Believe me, this is a debate you've already lost, as soon as you started it.

Yav is correct. FFl is against many forms of BC, and does not give any direct answers about others, even when pressed.

They give the impression of being totally against BC, even if they say they aren't.

TO MY FACE, with my Hispanic date RIGHT NEXT TO ME
Posted by rightisright

Quit lying that was the illegal you had cleaning your house that you were nice enough to take to burger king.

Like your vote matters in AL. That shithole will always vote for a rethug into office.

"When the only evidence that she will do so is.. uhhh.. err.. some.. lefties.. said.. she would?"

The evidence is how close we've come to reversing Roe v Wade. One more Scalia, and Roe is toast. I lived through it the first time: only the poor were affected; the well-to-do merely flew to a another state.

This isn't just against Palin; it also is a cautionary factoid about McCain. One more Alito, and Scalia will be the intellectual thrust of jurisprudence for a decade. Anyone reading Scalia's rant regarding Habeas Corpus should be scared shitless.

Sojoto get it through your thick skull, I am an Obama supporter.

RightIsRight

You are so full of shit!

It' hateful to raise the issue of 'character' now as far as Palin's mothering goes? BWAAAA Since when did a right win lunatic hesitate to bring up 'character'. It's all we heard from 1992-2000.

Obama's grandmother is not running for VP - a position a 72 year old heartbeat away from the Presidency with a bully pulpit, and a member of a party who wants to force is proven phony morality down America's throat.

Your right wing lunatics can kiss my ass. The NeoCon hypocrites have earned every bit of disdain and derision they get from me and tens of millions of other Americans.

I don't pull innuendo and all the incredibly moronic and star reaching bullshit out of my ass the right wing does around here.

Hey, Jackass/Rastaninja/Messiah/
Norcross, did you ever apologize to those folks you crapped on over at Nanc's blog after pretending to be "Danforth" from "the Retort"?

Anyone reading Scalia's rant regarding Habeas Corpus should be scared shitless.

#333 | Posted by Danforth at 2008-09-01 10:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Or his view of torture...or...oh, god...this:

Mere factual innocence is no reason not to carry out a death sentence properly reached.
Antonin Scalia.

PS- here's a link on Scalia's Gitmo dissention, danforth.

Or HERE is the link:

www.nolanchart.com

Sojoto get it through your thick skull, I am an Obama supporter.

#334 | Posted by rastaninja at 2008-09-01 10:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

No. You're not. In my experience, Obama supporters aren't as logically crippled and intellectually challenged as you are. You can say it a thousand times and I'll never believe you're real.

Obama supporters just aren't as stupid as you. They aren't. He appeals to a more intellectual base. They may be misled on a few things, but they're just not imbeciles. You're not fooling anyone. You're no more a Democrat then Redneckville is a Republican.

Funny all this babble going on and not a word
of Obama throwing down the gauntlet saying people's
families are off limits and especially people's
children are especially off limits. Also saying
anyone in his campaign involved in something
like this word be fired.

Thumbs up on that one.

Soheifox- Jackass/rastaninja has been pretending to be a lefty so long he probably believes it.

Bristol is setting a bad example for the children of America, and a bad example to her little sisters. Remember all you righties were saying that Clinton had set such a bad example to their children, their children could not sleep at night because of Pres Clinton BJ.
Honestly righties I don't give a rats ass who is pregnant who is not pregnant. You and your self-rightous attitude has brought it all down on yourselves. We liberals wish Bristol well for herself and her baby. GOP's you are embarrassing yourselves making excuses. All kids like sex even republican kids. Just be glad it was sex with a boy.

Like your vote matters in AL. That shithole will always vote for a rethug into office.

#332 | Posted by rastaninja
* * * *

I'm moving to Colorado next month. Last I checked, it's swing state, with Obama up 0.4%, and with 9 EC votes that he really needs.

Funny all this babble going on and not a word
of Obama throwing down the gauntlet saying people's
families are off limits and especially people's
children are especially off limits. Also saying
anyone in his campaign involved in something
like this word be fired.

Thumbs up on that one.

#340 | Posted by realplus5 at 2008-09-01 10:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Actually, there has been applause of that. It's just a shame that, canvassing the liberal sites and blogs.. nobody is listening to him.

Mere factual innocence is no reason not to carry out a death sentence properly reached.
-Scalia

That's one of my favorites. Gotta love those "originalists" the nutbags want to pack the court with.

Keep it up, Dems. There are thousands of young men adn women and their parents who are currently in or have been in the same situation as the Palin family - choosing to keep a child instead of aborting it. They are paying attention to how the public is responding to this.

RightIsRight

Here's how YOUR state cares about children. Of course, they tout the 'among the lowest tax rates in the country' too. You have no room to talk about the well being of anyone or hypocracy:

" When it comes to child welfare, Alabama ranks at the bottom in several key categories regarding infant mortality and teens not in school or working, according to new report by a nonpartisan child advocacy group.

In the Every Child Matters Education Fund's study "Homeland Insecurity... Why Children Must Be a Priority in the 2008 Presidential Campaign," Alabama ranked 48th among states for its low birth weight and small number of 15 to 19 year olds not in school or employed. The state came in 47th in infant mortality.

Alabama's ranking also placed it lower than the national average and the rate of many industrialized countries, the study said."

www.bizjournals.com

Gee, maybe if their tax rate was a tad higher, your red Jesus lovin' state could get it's priorities turned around a litttle more and help prevent mortality among the least of us....

I don't even want to post the dismal state of your education system - underfunded as it is because selfish right wingers like you care more about YOUR pocketbook than chipping in - even to help kids from dying with some health care.

Blabber on hypocrite.

I am actually a socialist and a militant one at that. I have never been a righty nor will I ever be one. I believe those who don't vote democrat should be punished severely.

You also have to love the way Scalia turns it upsdie down for habeas corpus. That the gitmo detainees are guilty until proven innocent, only they can't even prove themselves innocent becasue he would deprive them of legal counsel.

Does ANYONE believe Scalia when he says he'd honor Roe V Wade under stare decisis?

I sure don't.

" You're not fooling anyone. You're no more a Democrat then Redneckville is a Republican."

Jackass/Messiah/Rastaninja/ Norcross is an anarchist who has a penchant for signing on to other blogs pretending to be other people and crapping on the unsuspecting. And when caught, lying through his teeth. I'd say he has no class, but that would insult the classless.

Actually, this often happens when there is forced abstinence instead of sex education.

Our 'compasionate conservative' President even vetoed a bill that would have provided health care - all paid for with a cigarette tax.

I don't want to hear one word about who cares about the well being of children

I'm moving to Colorado next month. Last I checked, it's swing state, with Obama up 0.4%, and with 9 EC votes that he really needs.

#343 | Posted by rightisright

I have been to CO many times on business and I can tell you right off the bat that your redneck values won't fly in CO. they are too educated for your kind. I suggest you stay in backwoodsville.

Sohei-
re: "Actually, there has been applause of that. It's just a shame that, canvassing the liberal sites and blogs.. nobody is listening to him."

I also think the daughter should be off limits, except as regards the obvious fact that a 72 year old cancer survivor (McCain) picked a VP on a desperate political whim without the least bit of research aside from the fact that she is his "partner and soulmate".

I am actually a socialist and a militant one at that. I have never been a righty nor will I ever be one. I believe those who don't vote democrat should be punished severely.

#348 | Posted by rastaninja at 2008-09-01 10:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Which explains why you were great buddies with rex and horace, who got along with almost ONLY right wing extremists here.

Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere, chump.

Soheifox- Jackass/rastaninja has been pretending to be a lefty so long he probably believes it.

#341 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2008-09-01 10:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

I really like the part where he keeps mentioning how he is "militant" about Obama, and keeps mentioning he knows where I live. Like I wasn't the one who personally told everyone where I live or something. And I guess I'm supposed to be intimidated by his mentioning of MMA, or something.

Like I said, he's a parody. Real Obama supporters have functioning brains.

I believe those who don't vote democrat should be punished severely.

#348 | Posted by rastaninja at 2008-09-01 10:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

...to quote Dumpling...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

soheifox...if he didn't know where you lived, he'd look it up and post it here.

"Does ANYONE believe Scalia when he says he'd honor Roe V Wade under stare decisis?"

He's already tried, repeatedly, to overturn it:

from Wiki:

" the associate justice who filled Burger's place on the Court, Justice Antonin Scalia, has been a vigorous opponent of Roe."

"In concurring opinions, O'Connor refused to reconsider Roe, and Justice Antonin Scalia criticized the Court and O'Connor for not overruling Roe."

"According to NPR, in deliberations for Planned Parenthood v. Casey (1992), an initial majority of five Justices that would have overturned Roe foundered when Justice Kennedy switched sides."

"Thomas filed a concurring opinion, joined by Scalia, contending that the Court's prior decisions in Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey should be reversed"

Dear jackass/rastaninja- You're not a lefty. AT ALL. Every single time rex was getting his ass kicked in a debate, you would step in and try to help.

And you would use right wing talking points.

Danforth- Well, Scalia has been claiming he'd honor stare decisis. I know he's full of shit, so do you.

Maybe he's hoping some moderate republicans will buy it.

You'd think that with a challenged baby and a 17 year old Juno, she'd not have much time to run the country, t'were it ever necessary.

You don't think her husband could handle stay-at-home parenting?

Sohe I don't give a rats ass where you live. I saw your wedding photos you posted and noticed your physique needed work. I merely suggested you learn bjj. This will allow you to defend yourself like a real man rather than run.

I'll share a personal story:

My sister was raped at 16. My dad had to drive all the way to New York State because the GOP wouldn't allow abortions where we lived. It was one of few places legal abortions were available.

If many in the GOP had their way, it would be totally unavailable. Palin is against it even in instances of rape or where the mother's life is in danger.

" Mr. McCain has been trying to win over social conservatives wary of his candidacy, and the party is set to approve the platform Monday without the exceptions (rape or mother's life in danger). On Friday, he named a vice-presidential running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, who opposes any exception for abortion and whose selection was hailed unequivocally by groups opposing abortion rights.

www.nytimes.com

That make it OK for me to talk NOW, idiots?

I have been to CO many times on business and I can tell you right off the bat that your redneck values won't fly in CO. they are too educated for your kind. I suggest you stay in backwoodsville.

#353 | Posted by rastaninja

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Going to Denver a couple of times a year to catch a Rockies game and buy a hooker is hardly the same as being there "many times on business".

Alex I am a lefty. We both know this is the truth. I am just more forthright with my beliefs.

re: "Alex I am a lefty"

No one really wants to know the details, dude.

A real lefty wouln't go start a blog with rex and horace. A real lefty wouldn't attempt to save rex from his bad debating skills over and over again.

It got to the point where I wondered if you two were sleeping together.

Sohe I don't give a rats ass where you live. I saw your wedding photos you posted and noticed your physique needed work. I merely suggested you learn bjj. This will allow you to defend yourself like a real man rather than run.

#363 | Posted by rastaninja at 2008-09-01 10:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

And then he told me that I should be attending classes at the school down the block from the gym I teach women's self defense at on weekends!

That was the part that REALLY made me lol. I'm gonna have to pass on showing up at a rival school for lessons. You really need to work on your shady threatening information gathering tactics, douchebag.

The fact that you're an American makes it OK for you to talk.

So how would you feel about things, if your dad were running for political office, and his opponent used your sister as a reason for people not to vote for him? Suppose your dad were a Dem, and Republican supporters of his opponent got out magnifying glasses and travel records, carefully examined photos, and started posting stories about your sister on the internet? How would that make you feel? Pretty good? Or would you think it was despicable, to drag a minor child into a debate about the fitness of her parent to serve in a political capacity?

I always wondered why there was so much animus in so many Hillary supporters. I thought it was just sour grapes. Now I see what they're talking about.

And then he told me that I should be attending classes at the school down the block from the gym I teach women's self defense at on weekends!

That was the part that REALLY made me lol. I'm gonna have to pass on showing up at a rival school for lessons. You really need to work on your shady threatening information gathering tactics, douchebag.

#369 | Posted by soheifox at 2008-09-01 10:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

He's looking at your house with google earth right now. And his pants are unzipped.

RiR

In case you haven't noticed, it's SARAH Palin I'm taking issue with.

Or would you think it was despicable, to drag a minor child into a debate about the fitness of her parent to serve in a political capacity?

Yeah. Chelsea was an ugly bitch.

-Pinche

Her dad was Janet Reno.

-John McCain

She's the white house dog.

-Rush Limbaugh

sohe don't try to pin stuff on me. that school was a guess Jerk. there isn't many bjj schools in MT.

He's looking at your house with google earth right now. And his pants are unzipped.

#371 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2008-09-01 10:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Uh oh, he might be getting ready to get "militant" on my physique, huh?

that school was a guess Jerk

Why are you even guessing? Stop stalking people you god damn freak.

I'm not stalking anybody.If I was stalking I would be researching peoples personal info.

Oh, Alex, you've done it now...soon Jackass/Messiah/Rastaninja/
Norcross will be on another blog, claiming to be "Alexandrite" from "the Retort" and crap all over them. Then he'll lie to you about why and avoid apologizing to the innocents.

If history is any harbinger.

I know. And I might be the only righty tighty who actually thinks Chelsea is somewhat attractive. McCain's crack about Chelsea--and Janet Reno, for that matter; plenty of reasons not to like Reno without dragging her physical appearance into it--is one of the many reasons I just don't like him. Haven't listened to Rush for years, so I wouldn't know if you're just making up that quote or not.

And I was right to take umbrage at the thread on Jenna Bush's wedding, which was just over-the-top with hatred and vitriol. If I overheard such a person say things like that in a restaurant, I would tell him he's an a@@hole, to his face. Matter of fact, it's worth recalling that thread. BRB

"If I was stalking I would be researching peoples personal info."

Or pretending to be me, on another blog.

Have you apologized to those folks yet, Norcross?

And I was right to take umbrage at the thread on Jenna Bush's wedding, which was just over-the-top with hatred and vitriol. If I overheard such a person say things like that in a restaurant, I would tell him he's an a@@hole, to his face. Matter of fact, it's worth recalling that thread. BRB

#379 | Posted by rightisright at 2008-09-01 10:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

...if you're talking about what I said, RiR.. in my defense, I got married on the same day and my side of the family was talking about Jenna's wedding.. instead of mine. That'll cause a sore spot in anyone. It WAS a cheapshot; I do freely admit it. It's not Jenna's fault my family are jerks.

"Haven't listened to Rush for years, so I wouldn't know if you're just making up that quote or not.

"On his TV show, early in the Clinton administration, Limbaugh put up a picture of Socks, the White House cat, and asked, "Did you know there's a White House dog?" Then he put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton, who was 13 years old at the time and as far as I know had never done any harm to anyone."
---Molly Ivins

Ah, here we go. Ain't google wonderful?

As I have grown older I have noticed an interesting phenomena. There are women who when I first see them I think they are attractive. But once I become familiar with their personality and defects they actually start to seem physically ugly to me. That is how I feel about Jenna Bush. Knowing what a right wing piece of shit she is, she has lost any physical appeal for me which she might have once had.

Posted by moder8

Moooooo. My name is Jenna. Moooooo.

This message brought to you by the American Dairy Association.

Posted by moder8

she is not hot. she's too well fed & pampered

that whole family is fucked up

Posted by Stickman

nor is it your fault Jenna is fat. also, Chelsea is butt.

of course, these are just my personal, private fisherman thoughts

How about some more douchebaggery, from the same thread:

One of the women who was married in the "White House, Julie Nixon Eisenhower support Barrack Obama for president and Jenna didn't say she was supporting McBush for president when asked by Larry King so there is still hope for her as soon as she divorces the pos she married.

Posted by danni

I don't hate the daughters or Laura but I do hate the president and if the groom is a protoge of Rove then I expect he will be caught in a gay sex scandal sooner or later.

Posted by danni

WTF, how can you people think she's hot? Every time I look at her I can see her father. Imagine showing her your "O" face and at the height of orgasm she does that trademark Bush giggle...

Posted by ness_gadol

Now you know how Jeff Gannon felt when Shrub got off and he saw Jenna's face.

Posted by itsme

.if you're talking about what I said, RiR.. in my defense, I got married on the same day and my side of the family was talking about Jenna's wedding.. instead of mine. That'll cause a sore spot in anyone. It WAS a cheapshot; I do freely admit it. It's not Jenna's fault my family are jerks.

#381 | Posted by soheifox

excuses, excuses. You were wrong. At least you admit it though. Jenna Bush's wedding was a sad day for me too though. i have to imagine she would have chosen me if I was allowed to just cut a slice. Oh well.

Or pretending to be me, on another blog.

Have you apologized to those folks yet, Norcross?

#380 | Posted by Danforth

Quit lying about me. What blog are you speaking of? show me this blog you speak of.

Yeah. Let's all go out and vote for Obama, so the Itsme's and Moder8's and NessGadol's of the world are really happy.

Don't think so. I wonder if I'm the only one who, over the past week, sees the Obama supporters for what they really are?

I'll bet not. The polls suggest that much.

excuses, excuses. You were wrong. At least you admit it though. Jenna Bush's wedding was a sad day for me too though. i have to imagine she would have chosen me if I was allowed to just cut a slice. Oh well.

#386 | Posted by rastaninja at 2008-09-01 11:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

No, really guy. Every time you open your mouth it seems less and less likely you're actually an Obama supporter. I can't make heads or tails of what the hell you just posted. They're smarter then you. Really, they are.

RIR Why would you choose to live in Denver. I didn't think you liked a full set of teeth on a woman.

No, really guy. Every time you open your mouth it seems less and less likely you're actually an Obama supporter. I can't make heads or tails of what the hell you just posted. They're smarter then you. Really, they are.

Posted by soheifox

Sohe post your educational awards and credentials along with your yearly salary. This will determine if it is you who does not belong in my party.

Sohe post your educational awards and credentials along with your yearly salary. This will determine if it is you who does not belong in my party.

#391 | Posted by rastaninja at 2008-09-01 11:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

No thanks. Do your own work, stalker.

Your lack of literacy speaks volumes about your intellect.

It's hardly sticking our noses in her business when Palin would like to enact laws that would eliminate sex education and birth control that would lead to millions more like her daughter ending up pregnant -- AU

Many of us managed to debate sex ed, birth control, and abortion rights long before this pregnancy was announced.

McCain officials said the news of the daughter's pregnancy was being released to rebut what one aide called "mud-slinging and lies" circulating on liberal blog sites...

"The despicable rumors that have been spread by liberal blogs, some even with Barack Obama's name in them, is a real anchor around the Democratic ticket, pulling them down in the mud in a way that certainly juxtaposes themselves against their 'campaign of change,'" a senior aide said.


The McCain camp is right.

"This is not our business any more then Clinton's blow job was. It's not, at all!"

Soheifox:

Sorry, but it is. Sarah Palin has established herself as anti-abortion. She is part of a political party that has done everything but send troops into the streets to enforce abstinence-only sex education. She is part of a highly flawed machine that wants to promote some fantasy world of rigid 1755 "morality" when the record shows - and shows very clearly - that these Republican ayatollahs cannot conform their own behavior to any moral code but their weird, dysfunctional private ones. For all Sarah Palin's caterwauling about honesty, she didn't make this situation public until bloggers forced her hand.

She preaches one thing, her record shows very clearly that another is practiced. It's Larry Craig with a sex change, sorry. I do not want people, of either party, in charge of social policy when their off-the-job behavior so strongly suggests that they can't deal with the very issues they want the rest of us to deal with according to laws they've passed.

Just in case you're going to try tying this to Clinton's blow job (and I'm willing to bet your fingers are hovering over the "B" and "J" keys right this minute, itching fiercely), that was private consensual behavior between two adults, and a legal sex act, however distasteful you may find it. Still, the instant the press got wind of it, a witch-hunt of proportions they'd have envied in seventeenth-century Salem ensued. What's sauce for the gander is sauce for the goose, honey. Bristol herself might actually have some right to a bit of privacy here, but it is her mother's actions that threw open her closet, and her mother who will have to take the blame.

Phoenix If Obama loses, Your rights will be taken away. You may even lose the right to suffrage. I can see women having rights similar to a country run by the Taliban. Vote for Obama or deal with the consequences.

Your lack of literacy speaks volumes about your intellect.

#392 | Posted by soheifox

This is all you got??

I figured you would try to hurt and humiliate me. i My points are too real for you to refute I guess. I will just go ahead and claim victory I suppose.

I didn't think you liked a full set of teeth on a woman.

#390 | Posted by rastaninja
* * * *

Usually I do. In fact, the only times I made an exception was when I dated members of your family. And that was a long time ago.

Tell 'em I said hi. Do you still sell pumpkins out of the back of your truck?

i My points are too real for you to refute I guess. I will just go ahead and claim victory I suppose.

#396 | Posted by rastaninja at 2008-09-01 11:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Once more in English? I can't "refute" you if I can't "understand" you.

boortz.com

I imagine this is what your old lady looks like

I actually don't drive a truck. I have an IS 250

She is part of a political party that has done everything but send troops into the streets to enforce abstinence-only sex education.

* * *

LMAO. Okay. Vivid. Troops in the streets!!! We have to enforce abstinence-only education!! ROTF. The NARAL talking points are flying all over the blogosphere tonight!

I also liked the bit about Clinton and Monica being between two consenting adults. That formulation was somewhat novel at the time; I remember when Bob Packwood couldn't keep his hands off his underlings, and was told that ANY relationship between a superior and an underling is automatically sexual harassment. Stop thinking, end of discussion, he's gotta go. So, he went. Then along came Bill and Monica, and it was amusing to watch the feminists twist themselves into knots trying to excuse it away, with Hillary looking on. Every night's news was like having the Comedy Channel.

I was an agnostic on Bill's womanizing. My point of view, overall, was that if you're married to someone like Hillary, who can blame him? The only time I thought he should've been investigated was over the Juanita Broaderick allegations. Then again, I'm funny that way, that when a women cries rape, someone should at least check it out. You know, see if there might be something to it? Ah--silly me.

Once more in English? I can't "refute" you if I can't "understand" you.

#398 | Posted by soheifox

The point I am making is that.... I am the greatest liberal warrior to walk the planet.

Obama is the supreme leader that must be elected otherwise we shall perish.

Here's a self-destruct Jackass/Messiah/Rastaninja/
Norcross sent me after I caught him pretending to be me on another blog:

"Get it through your thick skull, you are not the focus of my investigation. There is a rhyme to my reason and it won"t(sic) be unveiled until a later date. Victory isn"t(sic) a one day process it takes weeks to develop and sometimes months"

And a post:
"Danforth how about showing a little class and quit insulting me when I haven't done anything to you. You obviously don't have a clue as to what I'm trying to do."
POSTED BY MESSIAH AT 2008-06-27 02:19 PM
"Danforth I was trying to get some information. I used your name to trigger a response. I didn't even pick your name. I was told by somebody else to use it."
POSTED BY MESSIAH AT 2008-06-27 02:29 PM

And my response:
All you've done is humiliated yourself. You felt so totally pwned by me you were reduced to creating a sock puppet just so you could pretend to concede defeat as me. And you took whatever beef you have with me out on innocent, unsuspecting folks (how fucking creepy is that?). To top it off, you thought you'd get away with it, but were caught immediately! I fucking OWN you, bitch!

I noticed you stopped posting as Messiah. I STILL fucking own you, bitch.

where is this blog you say I wronged you on?? where is the proof??

what is this self destruct you speak of? I don't stoop to those levels. I must have an impostor.

"Quit lying about me."

Too fucking rich, coming from a guy who signed on to another blog as "Danforth" from "the Retort" so he could crap on others and concede defeat in my name.

TOTALLY pwned, bitch!

The point I am making is that.... I am the greatest liberal warrior to walk the planet.

Obama is the supreme leader that must be elected otherwise we shall perish.

#401 | Posted by rastaninja at 2008-09-01 11:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

... need I quote Dumpling again?

You're now officially boring. Nobody on either side of the aisle believes you're real, so you should just stop. I'm done playing with you, you immature Dittohead.

" I must have an impostor."

You'd know about those, my bitch.

I must say I'm impressed that Rasta can type so quickly with only his right hand, since he's a "lefty" and all (which was really more information than anyone deserved to know).

Sohe think whatever you want. Thats why I have 2 Obama shirts and a bumper sticker.

Danforth, I think your anger is misplaced.Rex beat you in a debate and instead of challenging him to a rematch you chose to go on a tirade of insults. Get a grip man. this doesn't make you look good.

Just here for a quickie Chris, as I have a hell of lot more important things in my life. You said "I thought Sarah Palin should have been spending her time at home raising her five kids..." After our last conversation I am not surprised such a sexist comment came out of your democrat finger tips. Burn her for doing something other than cooking your meals and cleaning the house. Nice of you to expose the hidden bigotry of the left. Keep the women bare foot and pregnant! Please let us know your TRUE thoughts on all non-whites as well. What ever happened to judging people on the "content of their character?" Small people like you freakin disgust me.

I do not want people, of either party, in charge of social policy when their off-the-job behavior so strongly suggests that they can't deal with the very issues they want the rest of us to deal with according to laws they've passed. #394 | POSTED BY MARYTYLERWHORE

Newsworthy flag.

But you could have ended it at: I do not want people, of either party, in charge of social policy.

Patomic- you are like a character on Saturday Night Live. Only funnier.

I'm moving to Colorado next month. Last I checked, it's swing state, with Obama up 0.4%, and with 9 EC votes that he really needs.

#343 | Posted by rightisright at 2008-09-01 10:28 PM

RiR--better look ahead of time on the rules to vote when moving so close to the election.

You might have to vote provisional.

________________

Mary--what issues? The dughter is pregnant--she is getting married and having the baby.

Sarah is pro life.

That FFL org is for helping women who decide to have the baby.

This is what AU was criticizing churches for not doing--which is a lie. And he criticizes the organization that actually does help mothers.

How does he do that?

FFL is calling into question the side effects and medical problems that come with long term use of the pill (endometreosis leading to hysterectomies), the RU486 which is quite dangerous, and abortions which can kill the mother.

Not to mention the psychological anguish that comes to many women who have had an abortion.

And was anoyone thinking that if McCain was elected he wasn't going to nominate a SCOTUS in the model of Roberts?

_________

The link on Scalia had to do with habeus corpus--BTW the court ignored stare decisis and completely overturned Eisentrager.

So I missed the link "Mere factual innocence is no reason not to carry out a death sentence properly reached.
-Scalia"

_________

As for the "joke" by Mccain--completely uncalled for and he apparently apologized.

Rush the same--that is uncalled for and BS.

"Danforth, I think your anger is misplaced." Rex beat you in a debate"

No where, no how, no way. The only place Wrecks ever "beat" me was in his dreams...and that wasn't me, either.

BTW, idiot, you just admitted I've been right all along, my bi-atch. Time to find yet another new handle, Jackass/Messiah/Rastaninja/ Norcross.

Have you apologized to those innocents yet?

There are several folks here at the DR whose posts grate on my nerves from time to time but I read them anyways cause you never know you just might learn something but this rastaninja fella makes me wonder WTF isn't there a block feature on the DR?

I'd like to remind folks this wasn't 'outed' by a reporter.

Palin herself released the news her daughter was pregnant.

If she didn't want people to know she could have kept it quiet.

So, the fact we're even having this discussion is because Palin herself chose to tell the world.

Rex beat you in a debate

Rex couldn't beat an egg.

"Mary--what issues? The dughter is pregnant--she is getting married and having the baby.

Sarah is pro life."

Murph:

"Pro-life" is too often a smarmy euphemism for "anti-choice". While I'm all for sensible, medically sound limits on abortion (vacuuming a later-pregnancy baby out of Mommy is nasty business, no good for Mommy's health, emotional well-being, or the doctor's malpractice rates), the option needs to exist. No woman should be legally forced to carry a rapist's baby, for instance; it's way too much emotional trauma to visit on anyone. She's not only been raped, but she's got a permanent reminder of the occasion? Give me a break - except Palin doesn't want you to have one.

Palin's position does not take the intensely personal circumstances that can arise when a woman - particularly a young one - gets pregnant into account. A young woman can be unskilled and her education unfinished, which in a lower-income setting can doom her to welfare and a housing project. Palin's daughter has resources, or at least the Palins themselves do, and are willing to expend them on her. Lots of young women who have scratched their itch (or have been smooth-talked into scratching some guy's) have ended up in profound trouble by deciding to have their "cute little baby." Cute little babies need care, and a place to live, and food, and utilities, and a young single mother is one of the least likely people to be able to provide all those things at once.

Any young woman who is facing all that - and who makes an informed decision to abort at the proper, early stage of pregnancy - is hardly to be blamed, and she should have the option of a relatively safe procedure under proper medical care. If men could get pregnant, with all the attendant hassles and economic limitations, abortions would be available by getting pills from vending machines.

Palin is forgetting that her her world view and the real world are two different things. Perhaps all this public scrutiny of her personal circumstances will enlighten her as to the difference.

I have to say, this was a pretty bad political move for Sarah Palin, if the McCain campaign reasoning for coming out with this news is true.

McCain officials said the news of the daughter's pregnancy was being released to rebut what one aide called "mud-slinging and lies" circulating on liberal blog sites...

"The despicable rumors that have been spread by liberal blogs, some even with Barack Obama's name in them, is a real anchor around the Democratic ticket, pulling them down in the mud in a way that certainly juxtaposes themselves against their 'campaign of change,'" a senior aide said.

You can just see SP now:

"What? Left wing blogshit like dailykos said that I wasn't pregnant and it was my daughters? I'll show them that's impossible! My daughter is pregnant now!"

Woof.

Nice attempt at a "spin" AU seeing speculation/innuendo about the daughter has been in the lib blogs including the DR since at least early Sunday A.M. and Palin didn't say anything about it publicly until Monday in a defensive move necessitated by contemptible rumormongers.

And that's not change we can believe in, my friends. ehh heh hehe he *weird smile*

a defensive move necessitated by contemptible rumormongers.

Oh come on! What defensive move?

My daughter couldn't possibly have been pregnant cuz she already is NOW? WTF kinda lame ass defense is that?

"No, your honor...I did not kill that man. See, I was busying killing another guy somewhere else at the time."

a defensive move necessitated by contemptible rumormongers.

Again...WHAT defense?

My daughter wasn't pregnant in those pics, she is NOW. Some fucking defense that is.

Alex,

For the life of me, I can't remember a time debating with Wrecks, much less anything else. The one conflict was the first time or so I posted on Pussies With Zits and Niceville posted Lisa's real name. I called him out on it, and Wrecks backed Niceville, saying it was because I hadn't posted enough to have any "cred". He later apologized for it, and then lied and said it never happened, until I posted chapter and verse. Since then, he and every one of his fellators has claimed at every turn he "beat me". Too funny.

Oh, and coincidentally, he emailed me today, under the subject "Let's Make a Deal": "I will quit making fun of you if you quit drawing RCADE's attention to me. Do we have a deal? I hate having to make a new name day after day."

What a begging pussy.

McCain didn't know about it, which is why the McCain Campaign has sent a team of vetters up to Alaska to find out what else they don't know.

They chose Palin because she was female(Hillary voters?) and because she is "pro-life" (the R base).

That's where the vetting stopped and McCain proclaimed Palin his "partner and soulmate".

Until today, when the McCain Campaign sent a team up to find out WTF is going on with the next in line to the most powerful office in the world.

Look, I hate dailykos. And I find their stories about the palin family to be pretty damn despicable.

But that is not the reason Sarah Palin let this info about her daughter out there. In fact, Dailykos just gave her political cover with their slime attempts.(see McCain camps explanation)

The only reason she came out with it now is because she was picked as VP. And the voters are likely to forget about this story in November if it comes out NOW, as opposed to, say, October.

Sarah Palin not only had a daughter get pregnant in a household with views contrary to that behavior, even worse...she outed her daughters pregnancy for political purposes.

McCain didn't know about it, which is why the McCain Campaign has sent a team of vetters up to Alaska to find out what else they don't know.

#426 | Posted by BetelG at 2008-09-02 12:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

Want to hear something worse? Apparently some reporters digging through Alaskan archives for Palin info discovered the worst thing about her they could:

They had dug around to vett her before McCain did. No one else had pulled up records on her before them.

Wow.

Alexandrite-
That's the story. It's about McCain and his judgment and executive ability in pressing and urgent matters , not the preggers daughter. If he can't be trusted to even vet a person who, at his age, may very likely become president in his first term, then exactly what should we trust the hothead with?

Betelg- you'll love this. Heard it on the radio so I went digging...

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (Reuters) - It garnered big applause in her first speech as Republican John McCain's vice presidential pick, but Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's assertion that she rejected Congressional funds for the so-called "bridge to nowhere" has upset many Alaskans.

During her first speech after being named as McCain's surprise pick as a running mate, Palin said she had told Congress "'thanks but no thanks' on that bridge to nowhere."

In the city Ketchikan, the planned site of the so-called "Bridge to Nowhere," political leaders of both parties said the claim was false and a betrayal of their community, because she had supported the bridge and the earmark for it secured by Alaska's Congressional delegation during her run for governor.

www.reuters.com

AND:

Former House Speaker Gail Phillips, a Republican political leader who has clashed with Palin in the past, was shocked when she heard the news Friday morning with her husband, Walt.

"I said to Walt, 'This can't be happening, because his advance team didn't come to Alaska to check her out," Phillips said.

Phillips has been active in the Ted Stevens re-election steering committee and remains in close touch with Sen. Lisa Murkowski and other party leaders, and she said nobody had heard anything about McCain's people doing research on his prospective running mate.

"We're not a very big state. People I talk to would have heard something."

talkingpointsmemo.com

And how the hell did McCain not seem to know Palin was in the middle of an ethics investigation?

Or did he not care?

You're right, the real story(not what dailykos is writing about...god they suck) is that McCain's choice for VP is a shallow as it appears.

Betelg- Here, I found what I was looking for on my earlier claim.(I don't like to put largely unknown stuff out there without a citation)

www.huffingtonpost.com

On Saturday, a Democrat tasked with opposition research contacted the Huffington Post with this piece of information: as of this weekend, the McCain campaign had not gone through old newspaper articles from the Valley Frontiersman, Palin's hometown newspaper.

How does he know? The paper's (massive) archives are not online. And when he went to research past content, he was told he was the first to inquire. (emphasis mine)

UPDATE: Some readers have noted that the Frontiersman website includes a small archive of stories about Palin. However, as our original source informed us, and a second Democratic researcher with access to the same records confirms, there have been hundreds of stories on Palin by the Frontiersman dating back over 15 years, only a handful of which are posted online. More important to the story, the Democratic researchers, not the McCain campaign, were the first to request access to these archives.

LATE UPDATE: More evidence is emerging suggest a less-than-thorough vetting of Palin. Marc Ambinder reported on Monday that, contrary to prior claim, the McCain campaign did not conduct an FBI background check on the governor. Such a check would be against bureau policy. And as NBC's Andrea Mitchell reported, that Republican lawyers are just now (i.e. currently) doing a vet of Palin up in Alaska

"You're right, the real story(not what dailykos is writing about...god they suck) is that McCain's choice for VP is a shallow as it appears"

As the Dems choice for POTUS is pathetically shallow as is their pretext for making it. Most qualified Dem? Ha!

The woman's first duty as the new Republican VP Pick was to spew forth one of the biggest lies of the season. Her blatant lie about her opposing Ted Steven's $300 million pork bridge project rofoundly solidified her standings with the republican faithful. She has proven herself from the start to be a total lying sack of shit.

If a republican's mouth is moving, you can be pretty damned sure they are lying.

"If a republican's mouth is moving, you can be pretty damned sure they are lying."

You forgot to mention a Democrat lawyer's mouth is lying when they open it too Axe.

....And here's the daddy!

Turns out he's 18 (hmm...was he therefore guilty of statutory rape with the 17-year-old Bristol?), and his MySpace page (now conveniently taken down) is said to have carried his own description of himself as a "fucking redneck."

Name's Levi Johnston, and I want to be among the first here to congratulate him. Not even Bill Clinton's pee-pee stirred up as much trouble as this fellow's has.

www.nydailynews.com

I love the Palin pick. It's a first guess at how McCain will behave as CiC: Recklessly, and for purely shallow domestic political considerations.

When challenged, he will then become petulant and defensive. Sound familiar?

Whore-
Drop the National Enquirer shit. Neither of these teenaged children is running for office.

It's about McCain, and his evident inability to place the nation before his own reckless political maneuvers.

"Whore-
Drop the National Enquirer shit. Neither of these teenaged children is running for office.

It's about McCain, and his evident inability to place the nation before his own reckless political maneuvers."

BetelG:

You're absolutely right it's about McCain and his evident inability. His reckless political maneuvers are what put all this National Enquirer shit into existence. He didn't vet his Veep choice as he should have, because it was more important to diffuse Obama's major-league acceptance speech right then than it was to do his job properly, or direct that it be done properly.

Now his campaign is ass-deep in stuff the author of Peyton Place never dreamed of. You think I'm gleeful about what these kids are going through? I'm disgusted, because ten minutes of background checking should have turned this up, and a dignified "Thanks, Sarah, we'll get back to you," should have been the end of McCain's interest in her.

What I am glad about is summed up in the old adage, "Any ladle's sweet that dishes out some gravy." This situation stands to send Methusaleh's campaign down the tubeolas, where it belongs, and for that, I think young Mr. Johnston ought to get a medal.

MTW- Then why are you linking to these kids?

I agree with your assessment of McCain's idiocy in obviously not vetting palin.

But leave the kids alone.

"MTW- Then why are you linking to these kids?

I agree with your assessment of McCain's idiocy in obviously not vetting palin.

But leave the kids alone."

Does it not occur to you that the link (which I found via the Drudge Report, BTW) is the clearest possible example of how badly McCain screwed up? My sympathies are with these kids, believe me. But the cat's long since out of the bag.

This should show any thinking person just how little the GOP cares about consequences when expediency is at stake. These two kids will be okay, trust me. In fact, I expect them to be doing the talk-show rounds within days, at a handsome rate of remuneration. After that, book deals. The days of stitching ye scarlet letter to ye offender's bodice are long over.

MTW- I sincerely doubt if Bristol and her boyfriend(17 and 18 respectively) want to go on firgging talk shows to gab about their sex lives.

Especially since their sex lives are probably about 6 months long.

Leave them alone. Keep the focus where it belongs: McCain is an impulsive idiot that won't do his homework.

I don't need to see bristols boyfriends myspace page to figure that out...

My sympathies are with these kids, believe me. But the cat's long since out of the bag.

I feel bad for the family of the guy who died being fucked by a horse. So much so, in fact, that I'm not going to look up his real name and post it here.

And that cat is way out of the bag.

"I sincerely doubt if Bristol and her boyfriend(17 and 18 respectively) want to go on firgging talk shows to gab about their sex lives."

Oh no, indeed. It would hardly be about that. It would be a Triumphant, Uplifting story about Young Love, Overcoming Obstacles, and how Mommy got a bad rap. Especially that last part. Trust me, the McCainers will spin this.

So, the fact we're even having this discussion is because Palin herself chose to tell the world.

#417 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY
* * * *

She chose to tell the world because of the thousands of douchebags like TonyRoma, and the hundreds of thousands who don't mind the douchebags so long as they're bangin' the drum for Barack.

She chose to tell the world because of the thousands of douchebags like TonyRoma, and the hundreds of thousands who don't mind the douchebags so long as they're bangin' the drum for Barack.

#448 | Posted by rightisright at 2008-09-02 02:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

Let me repost these and you can tell me your opinion, RiR. I'm curious.

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You can just see SP now:

"What? Left wing blogshit like dailykos said that I wasn't pregnant and it was my daughters? I'll show them that's impossible! My daughter is pregnant now!"

Woof.

#420 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2008-09-02 12:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

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Look, I hate dailykos. And I find their stories about the palin family to be pretty damn despicable.

But that is not the reason Sarah Palin let this info about her daughter out there. In fact, Dailykos just gave her political cover with their slime attempts.(see McCain camps explanation)

The only reason she came out with it now is because she was picked as VP. And the voters are likely to forget about this story in November if it comes out NOW, as opposed to, say, October.

Sarah Palin not only had a daughter get pregnant in a household with views contrary to that behavior, even worse...she outed her daughters pregnancy for political purposes.

#428 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2008-09-02 01:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

Hey:

I just saw this:

Well, when the entire state has a population of 600,000 there really isn't much else to do.

Still, the fact that the 'family values' camp and potential president has a minor with a bun in the oven is funny as hell.

Vetted.........I think 'johnny Junks jets' must have though that they said 'vette'....like the gift he received for graduating at the bottom of his class.........but EVERYONE else is an elitist!!!!

I think the very funniest thing is how the right wing pundits are pretending that this is a GOOD thing.

There is nothing they won't do to keep progressive thinking out of America, including lying about the benefits of 16 year old premarital sex.

I think the very funniest thing is how the right wing pundits are pretending that this is a GOOD thing.

There is nothing they won't do to keep progressive thinking out of America, including lying about the benefits of 16 year old premarital sex.

#452 | Posted by ObamaBoy at 2008-09-02 07:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

...does anyone in this place actually stick to their screennames, or is it in the site agreement that you have to make a new one every now and then?

So, here's what we know so far:

1. She lied about being against the bridge to nowhere.
2. She is under investigation for abuse of power as governor.
3. As mayor, she was under investigation for abuse of power.
4. She is against abortion at all costs, even in the case of rape and incest.
5. She wants to teach creationism in the schools.
6. She looks great in a bikini.
7. After her water broke, and knowing she had a high risk pregnancy, she gave a speech, hopped on a plane from Texas to Seattle, hopped on another plane to Anchorage, and bypassed a real hospital for a 45 minute car ride to a podunk hospital.
8. As she was doing this, 5 months ago, her daughter was having unprotected sex.

And McCain says she was the best choice for the job.

ObamaBoy = TR?

YEAH!

Palins Daughter being Pregnant only Proves that Abstinence Only Programs Work!

Sincerely

Vern "Prayin For Rain" Nancypants

What's a TR?

Sorry. Inside joke. Nevermind.

No matter what the right wing pundits and scared out of their mind republican posters say, McCain is screwed:

If he knew that Palin's daughter was pregnant before he selected her, then he had the worst judgment ever in proceeding with her.

If he didn't know, then he proved that his intel gathering is even worse than GWB's.

Those are the only two possibilities.

No matter what the right wing pundits and scared out of their mind republican posters say, McCain is screwed:

Posted by ObamaBoy

FF

Parents who teach abstinence only to their kids have a name...GRANDPARENTS!!!

How can Palin run the country if she can't even control a 17 year old?????????

Politico's Carrie Budoff Brown reports: At a press avail in Monroe, Mich., Barack Obama on Palin: "Back off these kinds of stories."

"I have said before and I will repeat again: People's families are off limits," Obama said. "And people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. So I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18 and how a family deals with issues and teenage children, that shouldnt be a topic of our politics."

On charges that his campaign has stoked the story via liberal blogs:

"I am offended by that statement. There is no evidence at all that any of this involved us," he said. "Our people were not involved in any way in this, and they will not be. And if I thought there was somebody in my campaign who was involved in something like that, they would be fired."

www.drudge.com

Wisgod - After a quick search, I see you used the following terms: Shortening and Bread. Obammy. The Messiah.

It doesn't look like you wanna deal with facts. You must be a Republican, ey?

So let me guess - you think Palin, pregnant daughter and all, is the best choice possible.

Am I right or wrong?

And what does "FF" mean?

And what does "FF" mean?

#463 | Posted by ObamaBoy

Fucking Fool

Gotcha, you take the high road. And your silence proves that you DO think Pain was the best of all possibilities. Nice gene pool you've built up there, wis, when a woman who regularly engages in abuse of power is the best choice.

And dontcha just love how the holier than thou party thinks it's just peachy that a mother neglects her family to the point where unprotected sex is the result?

I'll bet you're one of those holy rollers too, ey?

And dontcha just love how the holier than thou party thinks it's just peachy that a mother neglects her family to the point where unprotected sex is the result?

Posted by ObamaBoy

Yeah, I'm sure this the most horrific thing you've ever seen. Tell us; what did your Mother do when you were 17 to make sure you never had "unprotected sex"?

I can just imagine the reaction from right wing pundits, etc, if the pregnant 17 year old were Biden's instead of Palin's.

"So, what have these people got against birth control?"

Posted by Zed

Idiot flag.

Palin is pro-contraception.

Governor Palin Is Pro-Life, Pro-contraception, And Pro-competition In Health Care

...does anyone in this place actually stick to their screennames, or is it in the site agreement that you have to make a new one every now and then?

#450 | Posted by soheifox

Who are you suggesting? I considered Roma for a moment, as Corky did, but now I don't think so. He is way too sure of himself to invent an alter ego here.

... and I don't think he's a candidate for calling himself anything followed by "boy." Maybe I'm wrong.

"He is way too sure of himself to invent an alter ego here.

#466 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine"

Is your memory really that short?

Oops, sorry HG. Misread your post.

The Palins are a poster family for those who believe that life is valuable. They did not rush to dispose of an "inconvenient" life. They will welcome and cherish that life as they did that of the special needs child, who also could have been killed as "inconvenient."

The Palins are not cold-blooded killers, who are motivated by convenience. Instead they respect the sanctity of life. Their mind-set is 180 degrees apart from that of those people who welcome the opportunity to kill the baby as a convenience that will enable to proceed without this distraction.

The Palins will be a biological success story as their healthy daughter has a healthy baby with a fit father. The young couple apparently share a strong libido and natural urges that enable their union to result in procreation.

President Eisenhower warned us of the emergence of a military-industrial complex working synergistically to advance their conjoined interests. Nowadays, there is a great threat to this country emerging, the merger of a political party, the Democrat Party, with the media. The result is a tetragenic monster that unashamedly promotes and advances stories from the perspective of what enables that monster to gain and retain political power.

This transmogrification of the media is becoming increasingly apparent as the perception is spreading that "the emperor has no clothes," and the public is discounting the views of the media meisters, who act in the role of advocates of their own Democrat Party-media agenda, and whom the people perceive as aliens, who view life from a perspective not congenial to their own.

The attack on this family which welcomes rather than destroys the life being nurtured by the daughter is despicable. the actions of the family are laudable and do not merit any negative comment. The shame attaches to "the leftist death squads" whose "values" cause it to spread the doctrine that fosters the practice of destroying innocent life, if it is "inconvenient."

These vile attacks on the Palins by the worshippers of Thanatos, the demigod of the death cult of abortionists, will be rejected by the public as Eros emerges triumphant. Welcome life. Thank you Palins for providing an example of courageand fortitude that is steadfast and never waivers in maintaining "the sanctity of life," and not allowing "inconvenience" to be considered as a factor. The Palins are a poster family for the cherishing of human life.

Tell us; what did your Mother do when you were 17 to make sure you never had "unprotected sex"?

#463 | Posted by wisgod

Are you saying that parents are not responsible for their children's actions? That sounds like a very non-conservative attitude.

Do they have trailers in Alaska?

Are you saying that parents are not responsible for their children's actions? That sounds like a very non-conservative attitude.

#471 | Posted by TFDNihilist

They are to the point of advising them of what's right and wrong. But again, tell me how a parent is going to control a teenager 7X24. I, like most parents would really like to know.

Thank you Palins for providing an example of courageand fortitude that is steadfast and never waivers in maintaining "the sanctity of life," and not allowing "inconvenience" to be considered as a factor. The Palins are a poster family for the cherishing of human life.

#470 | Posted by Johnson

So you are for 17 year olds having sex and getting pregnant?

The harpies of the left support the abortionist death cult, and measures to sustain it. They are not even tergiversators, but unashamedly favor death.

The current nominee of the Democrat Party-media monster, Mr. Obama, favors infanticide, and voted against a measure that would compel the provision of medical treatment to victims that has somehow had survived attempts to destroy them, instead letting the vulnerable victims of these cold-blooded abortionist killers, writhe in agony and die slow deaths as they lie unattended.

Instead of focusing on the monstrosity that is Obama, the psychopath with no feelings for dying infants, the Democrat Party-media monster entity, attacks a family for nurturing life.

What an inversion and perversion of values. What a coalition of degenerates.

Is your memory really that short?

#468 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Oops, sorry HG. Misread your post.

#469 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Now I'm intrigued. What did you think I meant?

Are you saying that parents are not responsible for their children's actions? That sounds like a very non-conservative attitude.
TFDNIHILIST, based on the fact that shlt for brains like you are discussing it all over the country and smearing their family, it sounds like they are taking responsibility for it.

Why don't you share all of your infinite parental wisdom on how you control all of the actions of a 17 yearold.

Wis

www.latowski.de

Johnson you stupid tool. You act like he favors killing live babies. He doesn't but you distort the truth. Why not just admit you were glad abortion was there when you needed it. Leave well enough alone and send a donation to planned parenthood.

Wis

www.latowski.de

#478 | Posted by Corky

Do you think Obamaboy's Mom went with the stainless model, or polished aluminum?

I thought you were referring to Corky, not TR in that statement. My bad.

tell me how a parent is going to control a teenager 7X24. I, like most parents would really like to know.

#473 | Posted by wisgod

Wll, being there for her and not constantly running around the country attending political events would be a good atart.

Are we finally done reading TonyAromas mindless cut and pastes? Did he really swear to never come back if he was wrong on the Palin's daughter having the Downs baby?

Please be true. That jerkoffs incessant cut and pastes, bolding, and italicing is so fucking annoying. Just like his Obama worship and 911 conspiracies.

Oh yeah, he's black too if you didn't already know...

Seaton Begg, Metatemporal Detective, strikes again!

#477 | Posted by midtowncowboy

Actually, if you had bothered to read a few posts up, you would have seen that I was responding to a specific statment by WIS.
And I have yet to see a statement from Palin where she is saying that maybe she should have been home more, paying attention to her kids, and not out running around the country pushing abstinence-only programs that obviously do not work.

Here's a good wuote from her only 3 days ago...

As the mother of five, I know how to multi-task

Well, maybe she doesn't.

#474 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2008-09-02 10:21 AM

So you are for 17 year olds having sex and getting pregnant?

As opposed to what?

I certainly favor 17 years olds getting pregnant as opposed to being sterile.

I certainly favor 17 year olds getting pregnant as opposed to being infertile.

I certainly favor 17 year olds getting pregnant as opposed to being homosexual, which does not result in a fertile pairing.

If my choice were my daughter being pregnant at 17 or never having children, I wholeheartedly would favor her pregnancy at age 17.

I certainly would find it to be positive that my daughter had adequate libidinous urges directed to naturally focused reproductive activities.

If there were no pregnancies, the human race would end.

If I were in the situation of the Palins, my attitude would be to welcome this joyous event.

My concern would be the ability of the parents of my grandchild to acquire the skills to fend for themselves in this world. So, if I were in the circumstance of the Palins, I would if the children were so inclined, provide the financial support necessary to enable them to maintain their household and to go to school to acquire such skills.

I've sent my children to college, and would not have withdrawn support because of a pregnancy. I think that having a grandchild is a positive event to be welcomed and that grandchildren are a delight.

Wll, being there for her and not constantly running around the country attending political events would be a good atart.

#482 | Posted by TFDNihilist

That arguement could be made for any working mother. Thanks for not only stepping in it, but rolling around in it too.

Did he really threaten to leave? I can't believe that for a second. He's been here since the very beginning. I was starting to think that he was a member of the DR advisory board.

Do they have trailers in Alaska?

#472 | Posted by fresno500 at 2008-09-02 10:18 AM | Reply | Flag

Yes they do and Wasilla is full of them.

Johnson, how about easy and itelligent acess to birth control? That's what I'm for.

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That arguement could be made for any working mother. Thanks for not only stepping in it, but rolling around in it too.

#487 | Posted by wisgod

No, I'm a working single dad, but I'm still there every night for dinner, and there for parent teacher meetings, there making lunch in the morning, I have a pretty good idea what my kid is doing all day, not so easy when you're thousands of miles away in Texas telling other people how to live their lives.
Having a job and being a Governor are two different things.

"Wll, being there for her and not constantly running around the country attending political events would be a good atart."

#482 | Posted by TFDNihilist

You're right. Everyone knows that men should run the country while their women stay home in the kitchen taking care of all the kids.

#479 | Posted by rastaninja at 2008-09-02 10:26 AM

Johnson you stupid tool. You act like he favors killing live babies. He doesn't but you distort the truth.

What is "the truth," rastaninja? Obama's vote and the legislation are matters of record. Most others, even vitriolic supporters of abortion did not support this vile legislative initiative.

You wonder concerning the lack of feeling and the lack of empathy that is the Obama persona, that causes him to support a bill that would remove any culpability from medical personnel, who tried to kill a baby by aborting it, but were inept, and had the baby survive their efforts to destroy it. Of course, this survival of the baby puts the support for abortion killing in perspective, the line of delineation being taking a breath of air, not in having the capacity to survive if nurtured and not mercilessly destroyed.

The Obama position is that these live babies should be left to perish with no consequences to those who watch them die. Some take as long as 18 hours to perish unattended. That's what the bill provides. That's the bill that Obama supported.

The image in your mind is not the real Obama. Why not bite the bullet? You support Obama despite the fact that he is the monster, who is in favor of "killing live babies." Are you denying that fact? Does it trouble you that Obama is such a person?

I could go into current ideas reinforced by fMRI work concerning the functioning of the mind of the Obama monster, but the function of his brain would not remove the onus that should rightfully attach to him for his cold-blooded support of the murder of babies.

Why not just admit you were glad abortion was there when you needed it. Leave well enough alone and send a donation to planned parenthood.

Where did you conjure up this fantasy?

This is a product of your own mind. It seems that you need to create an imaginery world that is consistent with a reality congenial to your positions.

I never was glad that abortion was available. I would never have supported use of abortion. I would never have considered my "convenience" to justify the destruction of a vulnerable life.

How did you formulate the notion that I supported abortion. I would never have needed it because I never have considered the destruction of innocent life in relation to my own life's history. I would sustain the life whatever the effect on my earlier formulated plans. There is no doubt in my mind as killing the baby is not an option for me.

As to contributing to "Planned Parenthood," it's not something that I would consider. I don't support an operation which fosters mass destruction of life as a viable alterative to causing "inconvenience" for an individual. The outlook of Planned Parenthood trivializes the value of human life.

Sorry...intelligent

You're right. Everyone knows that men should run the country while their women stay home in the kitchen taking care of all the kids.

#491 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

Who ever said that? Personally, I think being a politician is a terrible job for any parent. It cracks me up that they're always going on about "family values" when they spend half their life on the road.

Almost 500 post on this?

How ridiculous.

No, I'm a working single dad, but I'm still there every night for dinner, and there for parent teacher meetings, there making lunch in the morning, I have a pretty good idea what my kid is doing all day, not so easy when you're thousands of miles away in Texas telling other people how to live their lives.
Having a job and being a Governor are two different things.

#490 | Posted by TFDNihilist

I don't think Bristol did the deed at the supper table, during parent/teacher meetings or morning lunch time. My point is all you can do is advise them. You can't be with them 7X24.

Did he really threaten to leave? I can't believe that for a second. He's been here since the very beginning. I was starting to think that he was a member of the DR advisory board.

#488 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2008-09-02 10:42 AM | Reply

Well he is the undisputed king of "up is down, down is up" when cornered, but if you look at the flagged comments section, you'll see Tony's post.

The truth is the GOP has seen fit to put trailer trash on the ballot!!!

It's bad but, at least she knows who the father is...to the best of her knowledge.

"the mind of the Obama monster.." - Johnson

"If my choice were my daughter being pregnant at 17 or never having children, I wholeheartedly would favor her pregnancy at age 17." - the mind of Johnson suggests that "never having children" is the alternative to "being pregnant at 17".

What kind of mind is that?

The truth is the GOP has seen fit to put trailer trash on the ballot!!!

It's bad but, at least she knows who the father is...to the best of her knowledge.

#498 | Posted by fresno500 at 2008-09-02

more elitist trash that will backfire.

listened to obama belittle the town that she ran and the FACT is that when she balanced that first 12 million dollar budget she got more experinence than this community "activist" EVER GOT

barry obama is a POLITICAL PHONEY through and through but I will have to say this
yesterday when he came out about family and especially children are off limits with seemingly REAL passion, my respect for him grew quite a bit as long as he isnt lying about it and I have to reason yet to think he is
now if that TRASH CNN would just listen to him, I might be more impressed.

AND here is one reason why he might have said that
I watched 'obama revealed' on cnn just the other night and it said that his own mother had him when she was 18 and I am 'almost' perfectly sure that they also said that she was married only 7 months before his birth............I AM NOT CONDEMNING that for any reason but just to show that....IN HIS FAVOR>........the rest of you might actually take a lesson from him instead of puking out your liberal garbage...........

What kind of mind is that?

#499 | Posted by sitdown

The kind that will outbreed the rest of us.

Ever seen Idiocracy?

Johnson, how about easy and itelligent acess to birth control? That's what I'm for.

I support availablity of birth control.

Parenthetically, women taking "the pill" were found to rate men as attractive, who have different characteristics than men they found attractive as mates, when not taking the pill.

Many things are interrelated in ways that are not obvious.

No, I'm a working single dad, but I'm still there every night for dinner, and there for parent teacher meetings, there making lunch in the morning, I have a pretty good idea what my kid is doing all day, not so easy when you're thousands of miles away in Texas telling other people how to live their lives.

Having a job and being a Governor are two different things.


This wasn't direct to me, so it is a gratuitous observation.

I would commend you for your interest and participation with your child. That's your style. I note that you are functioning as "a single parent." When a person has a helpmate, there is oversight that is not otherwise possible, and there are additional options for providing companionship and guidance.

You have made accommodations to enable you to function in your situation. You work. If there were two of you, one might if you so elected, be a stay-at-home parent.

We adapt to our environment. I am interested in my children. I enjoy their company. But I possibly have not provided as nurturing an environment as possible if there had not been other considerations. The children may be a focus, but they do not obviate participation in other activities.

The world is complex and we function in the niche we carved out. We also have different individual standards which describe parameters of acceptable function for us. How we function in "our world" and how it affects other people, is not always predictable. We don't know what an "ideal" situation is as it nurtures others, what traits and characteristics are developed, and the extent to which nurture can influence development of the child, turn genes on and off. There are many influences in addition to ourselves. We don't have a prescription that will both insulate us from other influences, and insure a result.

As so many have noted, the involvement of a mother in the life of the daughter certainly does not affect development of a child to the extent that it curtails her libido. You can't in this day and age restrict the milieu in which the child lives, so that your presence or absence can compel certain behaviors. A lot of it is chance. We need to live with that.

As for you, enjoy not only the obligation, but the gratification that you obtain from the daily interaction with your child(ren). More power and happiness to you all as a family.

My point is all you can do is advise them. You can't be with them 7X24. -- Wisgod

You're making some pretty strong assumptions, Wisgod.

Maybe these guys can't relate because they WERE with their mothers 24/7 and so never had sex before marriage.

"Who ever said that? Personally, I think being a politician is a terrible job for any parent. It cracks me up that they're always going on about "family values" when they spend half their life on the road."

#494 | Posted by TFDNihilist

I'm not sure that "family values" ever excluded working over time, but whatever floats your boat.

I don't think Bristol did the deed at the supper table, during parent/teacher meetings or morning lunch time. My point is all you can do is advise them. You can't be with them 7X24.

#496 | Posted by wisgod

Actually, you don't know that at all. Maybe they did it in the Kitchen while Bristol was cooking dinner because Mom was in Texas and Dad was out fishing. When I was a teen I used to love visting my girl while she was baby sitting and get a quick hummer in the kitchen.
It's funny that me, a semi-socialist loony liberal is arguing the case that at least one parent should be home most of the time, while the "family values" crowd is defending this. Shouldn't you guys be blaming this on the Feminazis who convinced Sarah Palin that she could have it all?

Hey, why did my comment not post? Is there a 500 comment limit now?

Then again maybe a date on Maury Povitch is in her future.

Then again there may be date on Maury Povitch in her future.

At least they look like they have all their teeth.

Can you imagine what the Hannitys of the world would be saying if Obama had a pregnant 17 year old daughter? He would be crying, "How can he run the country when he cannot even look over his own family?".

Will there now be a study to determine the efficacy of abstinence only education?

"Can you imagine what the Hannitys of the world would be saying if Obama had a pregnant 17 year old daughter? He would be crying, "How can he run the country when he cannot even look over his own family?". "

This, unfortunately, is the predominant crap of an election season; this morning Laura Ingraham described Palin's ticket for fishing without a license as actions of a "meddlesome" government. Were it Obama or Biden, she'd be using it as proof they have no regard for the law.

It's all a parlor game, particularly when one side has TWO slamming commercials ready: one if Obama visits the troops, and one if he doesn't.

www.salon.com

Awwww. The poor little leftists just can't stand the fact that Mrs. Palin walks the talk and will help her 17 year old daughter "woman up" aka be responsible for the adult actions she exercised that created the situation.

Leftists hate strong families.

Leftists know nothing about TRUTH and RESPONSIBILITY.

BTW. Didn't we just hear a story about how Joe Biden raised his kids alone while serving in the US senate?

Double standards, eh?

Obamie's toast.

Can you imagine what the Hannitys of the world would be saying if Obama had a pregnant 17 year old daughter?

No doubt. But pot, meet kettle. A bunch of folks who claim to be from the party that respects women and the right to privacy have made it clear they believe

(1) that girls who have sex before marriage are immoral,

(2) that a girl whose boyfriend gets her pregnant deserves sole blame,

(3) that a girl facing pregnancy at 17 should be subjected to national castigation (because certainly she won't face any shame in her private life),

(4) that mothers (and not fathers) are at fault and should be condemned if children do not behave in accordance with their parents' values,

(5) that it's perfectly reasonable to pass judgment on other people's sex lives,

(6) that (5) is true even if it's a bunch of men passing judgment on difficulties they will never be faced with themselves, and

(7) that women (and not men) should give up their careers in the face of heightened family demands.

I'd probably think of more if I didn't need to get to work.

It is very interesting those who are pushing this story don't realize they are damaging their own liberal candidate.

In 1961 a young teenage girl named Ann Dunham got pregnant out of wedlock and ended up having a son named Obama. Who went on in high school (by his own admission in his book) to be an alcohol and drug abuser

This is just a can of worms he is wishing would stay closed. Hence the reason for his leave family alone-- speech.

"This is just a can of worms he is wishing would stay closed. Hence the reason for his leave family alone-- speech.

#514 | Posted by Mutt"

Oh yeah. That "can of worms" that he himself opened years ago when he wrote in detail about those things in his books.

Or did you, perhaps, think you had just posted some stunning new revelations?